quants-n-traders

[clear grove]

definitely stanford connections

half of oai is from stanford

theres another loo kid iirc

[amber yacht]

loo??

lmaooo

[clear grove]

oh wait not at loo, theres a umich kid at oai residency

the umich oai resident actually has pretty impressive background

but i think both of them do eng stuff there

[amber yacht]

why

[clear grove]

yeah

not on li

[amber yacht]

did u know belvedere asks number theory and banach spaces on swe intern first phone

[clear grove]

@rose holly https://depue.notion.site//

[stone vector]

who? i mean how do you know all he had was stanford

unless he tell people all he had was stanford

[amber yacht]

lol

bro spends 10 hrs on tiktok everyday

@analog stratus

[hexed rock]

only thing i know of is claude

which is just like chatgpt

https://poe.com/Claude-2-100k

[clear grove]

nlp industry research < crud swe

only half joking

[hard plinth]

is nyu a target school for quant?

[hard axle]

No

[hexed rock]

@thorn wyvern

[hard plinth]

open ai is owned by microsoft right

[sand willow]

2tb ?

thats the size of my hw folder

new lc problem: segment tree for porn organization and search

[hexed rock]

incoming swe @ mindgeek

[sand willow]

lmfao

[rose holly]

[thorny gate]

what do you do in python in an interview if you need a sorted data structure like a treemap

[amber yacht]

What places offer contract research work

This is the first time I’m hearing about this

Ahh makes sense

[upbeat forum]

@rose holly was js phone hard

[cyan shoal]

First phone or what #

Ahh ok

They tell u u pass during interview?

Yea ive heard js gives hella first round and 1r not too bad but it gets difficult af after

Idk how true that is though

Ya sorry my bad on the wording

Ive been holding off on applying js and prepping

Ive actually legit been stalling optiver,js,5r and jump so bad

Ik imma get insta rejected from 5r and jump though

Cause i dont go mit

Yea 5r not giving me shit

Tbf we got a solid 5 people at 5r lol

Nah

Ya u openai simp right lol

Why u doin all this quant if u dont wanna go though?

Just intern comp?

Fair

What offers u got if u dont mind me asking

Obv don't share if u dont wanna

Lmaoo

Heard jump is amazing

Great pay great culture

At least from what i here

Hear*

Ya have a friend whos qr there

Dude rolling in money lol

Otherwise u just taking js?

I assume

Ahh ok gl

[upbeat forum]

They got back to you that quickly? Damn

My JS recruiter takes a while to respond

Initials MC?

[broken thorn]

i swear everyone in this channel is on their 12th alt account

yall too paranoid

(cant blame u)

[stone vector]

@broken thorn don't you go to berkeley

[broken thorn]

dear god i wish

[stone vector]

[broken thorn]

hell id settle for berklee

[stone vector]

your pfp seems real familliar

can't tell where

[broken thorn]

i have had it since march 22, 2017

perhaps we have crossed paths in a public discord server before

[brisk trellis]

@thorn wyvern for akuna 201, if you are invited for a final round interview, do you interview for a quant trader or trader role

[wooden zephyr]

https://www.janestreet.com/puzzles/sum-of-squares-index/

Tackling this, || with a star and backtracking. However the 9^25 search space is huge and I can’t prune it enough. A* finds max score of 204, the solution is 205. Does anyone have any ideas? ||

[cyan shoal]

When u begin ft at akuna after training

U will either become a trader

Or a quant trader

Depending on the team u join

So its kinda irrelevant for interns

[drifting granite]

I disliked them and wouldn’t work with them

They just spam u a list and then spam ur resume out

No thanks

[boreal tartan]

rejected by old mission...

[last herald]

does anyone know anything ab citadel gqs QR interview

not sure how I got it, i have 0 stats experience and all my research is more like hardware stuff

[cyan shoal]

After oa or after phone?

[queen sorrel]

NG? Or do they have intern positions

[void sorrel]

Old mission never had interns

[cyan shoal]

They have winterships

But they take 4 people

[void sorrel]

They used to have a mini thing in winter

But wasn’t a full internship

[cyan shoal]

Do they not have thay anymore?

Thought they still fo

Do*

[void sorrel]

They have it again this year

[cyan shoal]

Yea thats what i thought

[void sorrel]

That’s what they told the club I’m in. Just only for qt

[cyan shoal]

Ahh makes sense

[quasi orbit]

lol why

[quasi orbit]

they did, like 8-10 years ago

but yeah looking on linkedin none of them went back to old mission lol

[void sorrel]

Oh interesting. That’s so long ago lol

[boreal tartan]

ng

[boreal tartan]

qr. no oa

[cyan shoal]

not sure tbh ik their new grad comp is very high t1

still beat out by radix, headlands, etc so maybe thats why

[quasi orbit]

yeah but omc interns arent going to radix headlands etc lol

[cyan shoal]

yea fair

i mean idk maybe they want bigger brand name/bigger company

ik some of their new grad swes and they have gotten 450-550k so idk but up to them

[dim spade]

any1 done belvedera oa for qt?

[cyan shoal]

ahh ok idrk anything abt their qt comp just swe

[dim spade]

is it just probability or other math/brainteasers too?

oh okay lol thx

[void sorrel]

Does anyone know anything about the extra technical round for citadel after the 3 interview day?

Ya I fucked up the 3rd one. Did well on the first two

Cool. Thanks

[sudden sonnet]

is headlands c++ only

[upbeat forum]

what are the top masters programs to get into quant

mostly the top financial math ones?

[tulip sapphire]

They had summer interns but ng RO package was less than SWE at big tech so no one took it

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenna-miles-6000/ was the only one who took it iirc

[tulip sapphire]

Their ng for qt is 200-250k pre-nego lol

[tulip sapphire]

This

They r ngmi there lol

[tulip sapphire]

Ya 550k is their highest swe band with nego. SWE lowest band is higher than QT highest band cuz SWEs immediately contribute whereas QTs have to go thru education first

No lol this has to be swe or cap

[alpine needle]

qt bonus pay also weird in 2020 the ng qt's got 3x expected bonus

also at the end of year u talk to the ceo and say why u deserve x amount

[void sorrel]

I would hate doing that

[alpine needle]

yeah only works at small firms

i mean ur system made y amount what did you as a contributor do

[void sorrel]

I bet people say well that guy made only y with that same equipment

And that’s where it becomes toxic

[upbeat forum]

What’s the best book(s) for derivatives trading

I feel like there’s one that everyone always recommends but I forgot the name

[cyan shoal]

Oh yea

Irs options volatility and pricing

By sheldon natenberg

Tbf thats more of an options book ig

[upbeat forum]

Yeah that one thanks

[marble gulch]

Has anyone done js swe first round?

For intern

[fervent belfry]

What is 201

[fervent belfry]

What is the difference

[rose holly]

ehhh idt this is true

iqr for omc qt last year was probably like 275-375k

[tulip sapphire]

well you would know better, my sample is biased towards people ik and their numbers, ig my friends didnt have offers to nego with

[cyan shoal]

Yea this seems more accurate

Its true at most firms i feel like lol

[rose holly]

the offer is like implicitly nego'd though since it varies based on your resume/perf/extant offers iirc

[cyan shoal]

Does omc only nego if i got offer of higher comp

[rose holly]

no idea

[cyan shoal]

Cause im gonna have other offers but nothing above 400k

To nego wjth

[rose holly]

no personal exp with them

[cyan shoal]

Fair

[rose holly]

they probably would be open depending on the firm

[cyan shoal]

Ya makes sense

[rose holly]

like they'll prolly beat optiver bid by 50k or smth

[void sorrel]

Most of optivers value comes in the marble system and end of year bonus if I’m not mistaken

Plus they have a really good educational and development program

[rose holly]

yeah i heard they’re giving less marbles out to new hires now tho

or smth like that

[tulip sapphire]

opti was 375-400k last yr for qt depending on if u were newgrad or ret inter

o wait mb wrong reply meant to reply to @timber fiber

i think opti is higher than abcde thinks it is

[candid root]

heard Optiver was 425 return this year

[void sorrel]

I haven’t but I’d be cautious with them since I heard they rescinded some offers last year

[next shore]

I heard that too. do you know which roles it was for

[void sorrel]

I believe it was for SWE

But I’m not sure

[tulip sapphire]

ya makes sense my info was from last yr

[boreal tartan]

FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rose holly]

oh they came out?

[rose holly]

nah i knew that range

but was just p sure omc can hit 425 or above

[candid root]

I’m 99% sure omc will go over that for qt

[void sorrel]

What does pay progression even look like for swe at firms. I know trading becomes bonkers

[candid root]

yeah

They tend to nego with citadel

[neon cobalt]

https://usermanual.wiki/Document/Practical20Guide20To20Quantitative20Finance20Interview.604244935.pdf

[exotic eagle]

anyone know what is in sig phone interview

for quant intern tho

[cyan shoal]

First phones recruiter

Still some ev

Very basic technical

And behavioral

Sig is pretty gimme till 2nd technical phone

[tulip sapphire]

How does one pass this

Especially if u like don’t play poker

[cyan shoal]

last year i got asked like super basic ev, and just general basic questions

legit i feel like recruiter phone bar is low af

[tulip sapphire]

Do you know process for ft trader

After oa and phone 1

This is newgrad

[void sorrel]

Brute force is mad complexity for that problem

Just read it on leetcode

It literally checking every possible order of popping the balloons

[stiff girder]

hope you dont get it lol

[split lintel]

@neon stirrup 's favorite lc problem

[neon stirrup]

BURST BALLOONS

[split lintel]

YES OUCKAH

[clear grove]

its literally just dp tho

just explain the relation

[rose holly]

How’s citadel?

[amber yacht]

man stfu

[rose holly]

Ur citadel intern

[stone vector]

?

[hexed rock]

yo goose can you tell me about your OS

[amber yacht]

put a pill 💊 in a mcflurry ❄️ im goofy 🤪

[lyric loom]

goOSe

[frigid zealot]

guys where should I do my masters in CS (US)

[fallen shell]

stanford

[frigid zealot]

will defo try; any clue as to their acceptance rate?

[sage adder]

dm for an optiver referral

[boreal tartan]

is optiver not sponsoring?

[void sorrel]

Anyone know how long it takes to hear back from optiver hr call?

Like actually how long typically

[pseudo marten]

heard back in 2

[pseudo marten]

they sponsor

[void sorrel]

Ok cool. Had my Tuesday

And was just wondering

[cyan shoal]

I stalled the fuck outta citadel swe and ik their backed up but how long after oa did most people hear back?

I did it last friday

Fair thats what it was for all my friends who got phone

Everyone who ik who got rejected was like a week or less though

So not sure if it means anything

[void sorrel]

It took about 3 weeks for phone interview and then 3-4 days between rounds

[cyan shoal]

Ya it was much slower at the start

My friend who did oa 7/8 only got phone 7/25

But recently ive had two people get phone aftwr about 1-1.5 weeks

But thanks appreciate it

[wooden zephyr]

thanks my brain hurts

is there any correlation between these brain teasers and actual intelligence?

ive always wondered

[upbeat forum]

2 days

[amber yacht]

W

[rose holly]

Congrats on cit

[neon cobalt]

Definitely, the smarter you are, the easier it will be to do LC, solve the brain teasers, and be fast with mental math

[oblique orbit]

Anyone know what Blackstone quant OA hackerrank is like

Is it quant questions or coding or both

[amber yacht]

Yea I had some stuff on spectral sequences and cohomology groups

[clear grove]

i got mayer-vietoris and UCT on mine

[next shore]

can i dm abt the process?

[void sorrel]

If you get a cit securities offer would you find out before cit leadership?

[stiff girder]

yea wondering the same thing

not tryna do leadership call lol

[void sorrel]

I’m more just curious

Since it just seems weird that one team matches first and the other team matches after an offer

[stiff girder]

shii

can you get rejected in leadership??

what do they even ask??

[void sorrel]

But if cit sec likes you and cit doesn’t want you wouldn’t you just get cit sec offer?

[stiff girder]

is it usually behavioral and resume talk

or they might throw in LC

[void sorrel]

Also does it explicitly say leadership call?

Damn that’s annoying

About how it can be anything

For the extra technical interview I assume it’s just the same format as the other interviews or is there anything special there?

[grizzled osprey]

it could be anything ngl, just like how onsite can be sys design

[runic grotto]

waiting together for onsite results 😔

[void sorrel]

I see. I guess I’ll find out next week. Just stressed about it lol

[void sorrel]

When did you do your on-site?

[grizzled osprey]

at least u've heard back

[runic grotto]

Today

XD

[grizzled osprey]

good call

[void sorrel]

How do you think it went

[runic grotto]

ok

[void sorrel]

Ya my OA was way easier than my friends who had it

Where else are you interviewing that you’d take over cit?

Do they give you the choice afterwards?

Oh perfect

Cause I’ve been looking for winter too

[grizzled osprey]

dropout gang

[void sorrel]

Oh you’re one of those classic Waterloo fellas lol

[white wave]

does anyone cracked mind sharing their resume?

[potent iron]

anyone applying to trading at banks?

[rustic berry]

Anyone know how the Akuna junior trader phone interview is like

[neon cobalt]

Maybe check Glassdoor

[uneven needle]

anyone gone through Optiver QT intern or full-time interview process?

[void sorrel]

I did the first phone interview for QT

Basically just EV games @uneven needle

[uneven needle]

yeah same i've done the first phone for QT intern

[void sorrel]

I had only applied to QT cause SWE wasn’t opened yet and the games are fun. So I was kinda surprised to even get an interview

[uneven needle]

same here, my resume is super software heavy. but ig that's pretty common for ppl getting into QT anyway

[void sorrel]

I failed the phone interview (I expected it) but now I’m interviewing for SWE so it ended up fine

[autumn aspen]

was the phone game theory type questions/market making?

[dull copper]

EV ?

[void sorrel]

Expected value

[dull copper]

Okay…..thank you

[signal blade]

bros cracked 💀

[autumn aspen]

is this for swe?

i heard for citadel interview, they make you list 10 accomplishments and cut ppl from there after final round

yeapp they do that for quants, im not sure about swe

[void sorrel]

I didn’t move. I applied to swe after qt interview rejection

[upbeat forum]

IMC really taking 2+ weeks to respond for QT :|

[stiff girder]

after recruiter call??

[upbeat forum]

After oa

I did good on it so I’m expecting to hear back

[stiff girder]

from what i heard they havent reviewed applications

my recruiter lmao

he said the team will begin reviewing oa submissions and applications next week

[stiff girder]

idk who pinged u

[dim spade]

whats two sigma swe process like? is it oa -> final or in between rounds with lc?

[queen sorrel]

You can do usaco in college?

[uncut steeple]

how do we feel about columbia MFE

[clear grove]

does tower usually have qr or swe intern roles for undergrads?

[neat junco]

They opened?

[dim spade]

they said they'll open this week

recruiter said i'd get sent oa this week at least

[amber yacht]

bro fired himself

https://tenor.com/view/bike-fall-meme-bike-fall-gif-22382475

[neat junco]

Hrt qr interviews kinda weird

[rose holly]

isn’t hrt ad leaked

[neat junco]

Some strange stats questions

[rose holly]

like it’s pretty standard

just have friends tell u qs

first two phones are easy and final is the same

i never needed to do an OA for algo dev

[neat junco]

For hrt it might be better to interview ft

[amber yacht]

bw ie

[rose holly]

25% ro is not +ev lol

this is pretty well known

if u know any citsec interns

they’ll tell you

lmfaoooooooo

no way they could actually think that

it wasn’t even that high last year

managers talk

idk why i sent

maybe u sent smth i wanted to ask about

Anyone done round 2 OA for data platform SWE at Akuna?

[rose holly]

it was harder than round 1 😞

i don’t work there but have heard

it’ll be 25%

from a few ppl now

maybe they’re all off but would sell 40% all day

qt/qr

[obtuse flame]

What’s a role that you want to get

[clear grove]

isomorphic labs on top

anthropic is probably impossible for an intern, better off applying to cohere

for intern i think the most reasonable is fair, brain if you have connections for match, cohere, mosaic, etc.

lol if u wanna join anthropic or {insert any nlp startup} then research and eng are p similar

[stiff girder]

cohere ML is very sick

[clear grove]

meta swe + connections lol

[stiff girder]

and also waabi

[clear grove]

ik a fair amount of people whove done fair/brain that way

but its the connections you can make in college, i.e. professors and at conferences

idk about eng but rs there is top tier

[autumn aspen]

i heard jane street QT RO is around 30%

[void sorrel]

But don’t they hire a ton of QT interns too?

[autumn aspen]

yah they have close to a 100 QT intern

and 10 QR intern

[void sorrel]

Even if you don’t get return offer having Js on resume probably does more than enough career wise

[autumn aspen]

like citadel, sig, etc

i spoke w citadel recruiter

and they said they fill 95% w interns

i spoke w their recruiter at event

and they take very little too

oh really

i spoke w recruiter and she made it seem like its a similar case w citadel

[void sorrel]

Are they set on trading?

Or cs + math

[autumn aspen]

i think they want to go to qt

yahhh less vol, less profits

[void sorrel]

I’m not super familiar with how qt recruiting works but I still feel like they should at least be able to get interviews for the small number of spots

[autumn aspen]

ahhh i think thats true

but couldnt find a FT trading position

[void sorrel]

Worst case they could also try doing swe and switch to trading internally which is possible at most firms although difficult

[autumn aspen]

ah that's true

[rose holly]

swe is tough because it can take a while to prep

[autumn aspen]

oh really for full time?

[rose holly]

for someone who is a math guy

[void sorrel]

Definitely for the only math ones but a decent number of qt are double majors

[autumn aspen]

right i heard js is 95% cs and math

mightve been or

oh no he's at optiver

not ctc

[sand willow]

anyone hear back from imc

also havent heard back from sig swe or qt been 10 days since OA

😭

[tulip sapphire]

no, interns arent allowed to touch any IP and the projs are similar to trading side-projects on people's resume

and low RO rate

[autumn aspen]

yah i heard hrt has really bad RO rate

[sand willow]

ro for ft or intern

[autumn aspen]

intern

[sand willow]

hm

jesus christ

LSTM for finance

[tulip sapphire]

yep they also kick u out after hours and you can't enter before like 8am

[sand willow]

yeah

[tulip sapphire]

and you cant WFH

[clear grove]

I think I saw a project that was like building off of this but w transformers lmao

[sand willow]

transformers for

financial modeling

🤣

very cursed

[tulip sapphire]

ur not allowed to take laptop out of office

[sand willow]

just use econometrics bruv

yeah yieks

[void sorrel]

Ik at Optiver you just learn for 5 week and then trade on a mock market for 5 weeks

[sand willow]

yeah

hrt?

hrt is neg?

rip

[rugged rampart]

No

[sand willow]

i just wanna go to headlands tech

[rugged rampart]

Hrt is op

[sand willow]

oh

[rugged rampart]

I love hrt

[sand willow]

thanks for the confirmation

[ocean gazelle]

max dama grind huh

[sand willow]

official hrt account

👍

[tulip sapphire]

ill be doing insane hours anyways

at least pay me to expect that

[ocean gazelle]

smaller the firm is, hours generally increase porportionally

[sand willow]

i wanna experience the

small firm structure

and also more leverage

[ocean gazelle]

atleast ive come to understand that

[sand willow]

yea more work but like

worth i think

[lost leaf]

rentech php crud webdev is peak enlightenment

[ocean gazelle]

im interested is to see aquatic

[sand willow]

like the problem is

like im at zon rn

there is 0 leverage

[ocean gazelle]

they just started trading rn

[tulip sapphire]

more TC

[sand willow]

at big companies

even companies like optiver

probably

[ocean gazelle]

godbolt at aquatic right

[sand willow]

very little leverage unless you are god amongst men

[lost leaf]

just be a god amongst men

[sand willow]

btw has anyone done optiver

qt process

[tulip sapphire]

i was talking to my friend at aqtc (he's an IMO medalist) and he was telling me abt how their main strat is just throwing finBERT at vendor filings

🤡

[sand willow]

🤡

wtf

[ocean gazelle]

lmao

[autumn aspen]

LMAO

[sand willow]

surely thats what they're actually doing

[ocean gazelle]

idk why theyre so slow when their eng is so solid

like they have fucking godbolt

[sand willow]

lmfao

ace dyk abt

optiver process

like

anything

😭

not ft

intern

[ocean gazelle]

nah i aced the oa and got screened out

fuck optiver

[sand willow]

i am at round 4

of qt interviews

what dyt are

odds of me making it

1/5?

[autumn aspen]

ohh

[ocean gazelle]

idk i heard they care abt school

[void sorrel]

Anyone have a good strat to practice Java in 2 days for a final round? Haven’t coded in it since high school

[sand willow]

i am a bit of ivy league

but not hyspm

[ocean gazelle]

theyre qt heavy so prob more difficult to get optiver qt than swe

[autumn aspen]

ill dm you

[sand willow]

dm me

[lost leaf]

dartmouth

[ocean gazelle]

we need to remove the y from hypsm

[sand willow]

no

browj

brown

[ocean gazelle]

brown is solid

[sand willow]

hbpsm

brown is solid

adam wang?

uh what year

[lost leaf]

oh brown is good

[ocean gazelle]

hes grad

at 5r

[sand willow]

name sounds familiar

[tulip sapphire]

nah they r actually using pretrained neural nets for signal generation

[void sorrel]

Talking about the phone screen? Or pure resume screen?

[ocean gazelle]

resume screen

idk i think i have a solid resume

idk whats up with them

[lost leaf]

do u mean like they pretrained something huge or literally just shoving something from huggingface into things

[ocean gazelle]

im in processes at some other places too

[void sorrel]

They only have 2 test cases so you never kno

[ocean gazelle]

i mean it was fairly obvious my code worked

[sand willow]

if they're shoving finBERT

[ocean gazelle]

it wasnt an algo heavy problem

[sand willow]

tis prob not that big

i doubt they have an LLM 🤣

[void sorrel]

I see. I had my phone screen Tuesday

[ocean gazelle]

using finbert is crazy lol

[sand willow]

for what

optiver?

[void sorrel]

I had the logger and dividend questions

[ocean gazelle]

for aquatic

[void sorrel]

Yes

[ocean gazelle]

they sponsor cppcon and have strong eng team but do that?

thats crazy

[sand willow]

gl bro

[ocean gazelle]

@tulip sapphire how is ansatz compared to aquatic

theyve both sponsored cppcon

[tulip sapphire]

if you have a good ML bg aqtc is a good place to look into

mainly a python stack with a bit of C++

gl!

[void sorrel]

They probably want phd background I would assume

[tulip sapphire]

no

[sand willow]

when did you do the OA

i did oa this week

noreply

😭

[tulip sapphire]

they are specifically looking for ug

[sand willow]

i see

[void sorrel]

Oh interesting. I kinda figure most of those ml/ai roles they’d prefer phds

[sand willow]

glgl

[void sorrel]

But obviously if it’s specific ug then makes some sense

[tulip sapphire]

yeah it's interesting cuz their biggest investor is Polomna who also puts a lot of money into Shaw which does prefer PhDs, then again i think they kinda gave up on aqtc since the 1st fund was established in may2021 and they havent had good progress since (even had to layoff a few people)

their CIO left to be a QR at cit

But ig that's not as bad as akuna's cto leaving for jump swe

[void sorrel]

Damn those some interesting jumps

I wouldn’t want to work at Akuna tho

[tulip sapphire]

aqtc def pays above akuna, they have to, to get talent

aqtc has worse wlb but theyve been jumping to bunch of HHs to get them to recruit people

they dont care if ur phd or not

java

only

[void sorrel]

Sys design

They don’t care if you don’t know Java. You can just explain what you want to do and they’ll help tho

Just wastes time

They care mostly about thought process

[amber yacht]

who uses java

[rugged rampart]

Google deepmind

[tulip sapphire]

And not even senior swe

[tulip sapphire]

One of the 2 places I’m in the process for does

And i rly want to get that offer (i prefer it over the other)

I prefer the firm, how much it pays, its people, culture, location, and role

[amber yacht]

only imc

[void sorrel]

And that objects are passed by reference

[void sorrel]

Which firm lol

Oh I got resume rejected from belv

[tulip sapphire]

Nope not imc

And most people don’t know that they use java

Cuz their outreach makes them seem like a cpp only firm

That’s all i will say

Did u get ro

ROs this yr were so bad

Did u make good connections/learn about the industry? @rope

[amber yacht]

he let estaban sell his coffee beans

[tulip sapphire]

Then W in my book

Next yr youll get it when u need it

Not much

They cant put money into the firm

[void sorrel]

@rose holly you should go to js and trade sheep all day

[tulip sapphire]

But I guess more than they’d make anywhere else as a barista

[void sorrel]

Bring liquidity to farmers

[tulip sapphire]

Baristas at my curr firm are like there on contract only 💀

And the firm I’m at rn has -pnl

So gg to them

Cuz of guidance? Or cuz of feedback they give?

I feel like a big rzn ROs were so low was cuz mentors didn’t give any negative feedback

Do u have any other offers?

No offense then, but that was a pretty dumb move

Especially in this economy

I feel like most places are on hiring freezes

Ahh

wait then why’d u apply

Oh

Kk

Citsec qr has a low ro rate

So makes sense

Sure

[amber yacht]

quant barista

[tulip sapphire]

Banh has said before that he doesn’t want to dox

We should respect that 🌟

[serene coral]

did anyone get an interview from SIG? I only got oa but haven't heard back

[tulip sapphire]

yes

for qt tho

[serene coral]

oh I think I applied for quant dev

[tulip sapphire]

no but it's good to have competing offers for nego

i also get RO decision in like mid September

so im assuming the worst to hedge risk

[void sorrel]

Is this ng or intern?

[tulip sapphire]

ng

[void sorrel]

Would you take higher upside lower ro rate or less upside higher ro rate for swe intern?

[tulip sapphire]

depends on how much higher the upside is

[tulip sapphire]

like you would rly need to quantify these

give me ro rates as numbers

and ng TC with breakdown and wlb hrs/week

then i can answer, approximates work

most people ik didnt return, idk abt low cut rate

[left sentinel]

Has anyone heard back from 5 rings?

[void sorrel]

Swe hasn’t started interviewing QT has @left sentinel

[rose holly]

sig and js are the biggest cults

[left sentinel]

sig seems lit tho

[rose holly]

good place to train at and then get poached a few years in

too many boomers there

seems like it'd be hard to progress

[dim spade]

how long does it take to get sig oa

thought it was supposed to be auto

[wintry tendon]

who should u get poached by

[tulip sapphire]

i didnt apply so i wouldnt know, i got it within a day of it being referred

[livid wedge]

for swe or qt?

got it thanks

my friends who are interning at sig as qt love it

8:30 - 4:30 work hours and the culture is pretty good

had a friend choose it over citsec

whats bala?

oh

both ny and pa

[weak token]

lowkey working 12 hours a day is better

get yo bread up fr

[livid wedge]

i mean they also getting paid hella lol

[stone vector]

think about work in sleep

[crisp yarrow]

I work 12 a day 7 days a week

[winged aurora]

anybody knows how is data team like at cubist?

got an onsite with them

no idea what to expect

[stone vector]

that's like

where's the other 12 hrs a day

[crisp yarrow]

It’s acc not too crazy

Sleep 6-7 hrs

Live right next to work

[stone vector]

so you don't think about how to optimize market transaction during sleep?

[crisp yarrow]

Nah cuz u gotta rest

U cant work 7 days a week if u don’t sleep well

Trust

[stone vector]

dream in market algo optimization

[crisp yarrow]

It sucks

[long raft]

Sounds automated to me.
Why does the person say “advanced your application to the next stage” and later says “potentially moving forward” 😂

[stiff girder]

that means ur resume passed screen but they wanna see ur oa score

i got moved to recruiter call after i got the email and did the oa

[long raft]

Does this mean you will get moved forward even when your OA score is quite low? E.g., 50%

[stiff girder]

naa still think you gotta do well

dont know what the cutoff is

[long raft]

I always though OAs are just in place to filter candidates out so you won’t have to read millions of “potentially unimpressive” cvs. But if they already like the cv why have OA for this specific person.

Like I heard citadel will allow you to skip OA when they like your cv etc (happens when they reach out to you personally)

[late hedge]

Anyone has referral to any trading firms either expanding (or team has slot) to SG or HK or Asia?

[azure zenith]

Yes (Optiver) which role would you like?

there are offices in Shanghai and Singapore

[late hedge]

thank u mate i pm u:)

[cyan shoal]

How long after applying did u get the email? Has it already been over 7 days?

[cyan shoal]

Yea figured

[scenic bison]

Damn looks like I should’ve done the oa

I thought it was auto so I ignored it

[cyan shoal]

The imc oa is auto

Also you can still do it the 7 day deadline isnt a hard ome

One

[scenic bison]

I was talking about the follow up email from the recruiter

That also sounds p auto

[cyan shoal]

Yea that seems auto imo

Last year imc had a similar auto email

[deep cargo]

how long did it take after ur oa was completed?

[exotic eagle]

dont think the swe oa is auto

like the trading oa

[rose holly]

IMC is automated

Right?

[plucky gate]

Yea

[stone vector]

i mean OA serves as a sanity check

[exotic eagle]

think some only got this

[long raft]

Yeah! 👍🏽

[rose holly]

You have offer tho

[stiff girder]

3 days

[thorny gate]

so is the strategy to not to do OA for a while so that the recruiter emails you and then do the OA lol

[brisk ingot]

i got 3 math/stats problems

[thorny gate]

did the test not have a time limit or smth? how did the recruiter tell you to submit it a week later if it had a time limit

[potent iron]

is maven open for qt?

[late bear]

Where uhh go

[cyan shoal]

Nah not that i could find at least

[candid root]

don’t do this for imc

Imc already slow af don’t make it slower

[potent iron]

any referrals for vatic?

[cyan shoal]

Is it worth expediting imc with my other offers and finals? If its relevant at all i also have a referral

I guess the question more is will they actually do anything

[wintry tendon]

Where are your offers from and what are their deadlines

[autumn aspen]

is optiver releasing ft trader positions?

[stone vector]

will you?

the grind

it just keeps grinding

the goal post

it just keeps moving

[neon cobalt]

What grade are you in?

That was good

I could probably give you a referral when I graduate? Do you need one?

[tulip sapphire]

I think every big firm defers comp over 3-400k

[ocean gazelle]

has anyone done sig swe phone?

if so, is it just recruiter interest call or do they ask some technical stuff?

[void sorrel]

I think it’s just general hr stuff

[ocean gazelle]

bet ty, have u done the phone?

ah ok

is process phone -> technical -> offer?

[void sorrel]

But I had a chill hr call right beforehand that which felt similar to Optivers if you had that

[ocean gazelle]

havent had that

this phone is 30min so i assume no technicals

[void sorrel]

I wish. It’s phone -> 90 minute technical -> final -> offer

[ocean gazelle]

ah ok

how long is final if yk?

[void sorrel]

I don’t remember what she said it was. Maybe 2 hours

Can’t remember exactly

[ocean gazelle]

ok bet

mind if i dm u for some specific question?

[void sorrel]

Ya that’s fine

[stone vector]

get into JS and you'll know

or citsec

[amber yacht]

Might be that thing where you don’t get anything until some time after you sign/begin working

I think cit or citsec offered a 2 year deferred comp to someone once which is fucking insane

[timber quartz]

Wait JS doesn’t defer comp

[stone vector]

you sure?

did you get into JS?

[timber quartz]

yes

[amber yacht]

program for rope in science and engineering

[stone vector]

lol

i take back my words

[rugged rampart]

not to you

[tulip sapphire]

No

Ya this is exactly how it worked for a place I interned at in the past

Js does not

Most do yeah

No one does

They will take legal action if they find out and make ur life hell

[void sorrel]

Ya that’s what I guessed lol

[tulip sapphire]

Ya they r good at what they do

[potent iron]

you guys know of anyone with referral at tower research?

[amber yacht]

Yea my friend @pure hamlet worked there this summer

[stone vector]

@amber yacht hows ucla

[brisk trellis]

so if you leave you lose all your money stuck in the employee fund?

this is communism fr

[uncut steeple]

when does hrt internship open usually

[ocean gazelle]

is supposed to open in aug

[tulip sapphire]

QG needs a forum where people can post questions they got

Like leetcode has

And a discuss page for individual questions

If it wants to grow

[queen sorrel]

Did he actually?

[livid wedge]

any tips on prepping for JS SWE first round?

ok thanks

i cant believe im doing JS as my first interview of the season

no warmups lmao its fked

how late do u think i can push it?

im so washed

havent leetcoded in a minute

do u know how many rounds it usually is?

oh shit thats nice

@ my prev firm i had to do like 7 lmao

nahh

i think prev quant swe experience is what u need or cracked faang

i failed screen last year

ig have some quant swe related projects?

i also rn am doing an ocaml related project for some research that i put on there

and have taken the ocaml class at my university and wrote a bit about those things in the additional info section

the companies u worked at/working at are cracked

ik someone who chose it over hrt

he genuinely likes that company and was able to nego up his ro against hrt's ng offer

it was still like 100k less than hrt but still a lot of money

[timber quartz]

🙏gl my dude

[livid wedge]

tyty

[rose holly]

does anyone know which position “Software Engineer Certified Assessment” is for

For Akuna

[stiff girder]

python i believe

[void sorrel]

Gross

[cyan shoal]

Has anyone who did the citadel swe oa 8/11 or afterwards heard back?

[ocean gazelle]

phone or final?

[quasi orbit]

I don’t even know how to solve a Rubix cube

[dark lake]

lol

[autumn aspen]

Has anyone who did the citadel swe oa 8

[void sorrel]

For IMC does it matter how far you get in the actual coding part? Or is the design side the part that matters?

For final round

[wintry tendon]

blacklist?

[sand willow]

i thought they only blacklist after interview

[fringe spade]

anyone done js phone recently? I have mine tmrw and wanna ask a couple questions

[wintry tendon]

did your parents say something bad about sandor in the past

[solar axle]

@autumn aspen

Bro 😭

[last herald]

mostly just design

definitely need to finish design

[void sorrel]

I did the design stuff pretty well. Didn’t get very far on the coding side since I’m not great at Java and neither of my interviewers were either. Both do C++

Like we wasted 10 minutes trying to figure out comparators and pairs types I needed

Which was kinda annoying

[oblique orbit]

Has anyone done imc trading final round and know what it’s like?

For trading intern

[next shore]

Needed a hint on akuna qd phone, is it gg D:

[boreal tartan]

yes

no

[void sorrel]

Depends how big

[quasi orbit]

were u imc launch?

[void sorrel]

Yes

[tulip sapphire]

Yo these r so fucking lit

[tulip sapphire]

Ew qr >> trading

Id never be a trader

[amber yacht]

yea i heard citadel does

[tulip sapphire]

Cit, drw, I’m sure some small shops do asw

My friend got flown out for headlands internship final

[languid drum]

headlands aren't offering internships for this cycle

emailed them and thats what they told me

[void sorrel]

They put you in freight

[obtuse flame]

No more intentional trips for intern/new grad afaik

Yep

Either it’s not a net positive for them and/or they’re tightening their belt

Not sure

Yeah the past 3 years was great

[wintry tendon]

i saw some fters on my london nyc flight and they were only economy premium

decked out in merch lol

[boreal tartan]

that's bad

[wintry tendon]

it was virgin atl so economy premium was p much business class

and business was first

[amber yacht]

@hexed rock

[hexed rock]

economy is optimal outcome for you

you have infinite leg room

[obtuse flame]

If there’s too many interns, it’s RNG for economy vs premium economy, otherwise it’s premium economy

[rose holly]

lmaooo how u know they were 5r ft

[obtuse flame]

Yeah JS not doing as well as the past 3 years but that’s everyone

[tulip sapphire]

uhh alameda research used to

economy

i have had one

they were ok with that??

cracked

nvm

at the start, but towards the end they send virtual only

[rose holly]

lmfaoooo

[amber yacht]

Lol

[tulip sapphire]

ya

they flew my friend out but he ended up turning them down

ye

ny

and business class at that

for intern

[quasi orbit]

u interviewed for cit this yr?

[sand willow]

i got a manual rejection from recruiter today

hoping it will

come

r4 thurs

🙏

[stone vector]

that's

crazy

lol

[sand willow]

nah

[runic grotto]

still 🤔

[sand willow]

😭

[next shore]

are the cit swe onsite interviewers on teams that are interested in u or are they j random

[robust totem]

did u get a verbal offer

[sand willow]

wdym verbal offer

[halcyon mauve]

hey everyone, I'm looking for some places to apply to purely for practice (i.e. wouldn't accept any offers). Anyone know of companies that for sure don't blacklist? For example, I know Optiver tends to blacklist for a year if you fail final round. Thanks!

[autumn aspen]

akuna blacklists

[weary path]

can give out some imc referrals dm me 🙂

[fervent belfry]

only if you make it to final round right

[halcyon mauve]

thanks!

anyone know about sig and imc in particular?

I don't want to get blacklisted for when NG apps roll around lol

[fast gazelle]

yo

[proper vector]

How long does virtu take to respond after HR call?

[stiff girder]

2 days

i heard back within the same day tho

[languid drum]

has anyone done arrowstreet capital qd oa? was wondering the difficulty level and what to expect

[shut void]

its over

ur doomed bro

[void sorrel]

Probably fine

[oblique orbit]

Has anyone heard back from sig after phone

[oblique orbit]

First

HR

[obtuse schooner]

Anyone have any good c++ projects? Trying to show companies I'm proficient in C++ on resume

[upbeat forum]

Make a 4 function calculator in cpp

[hexed rock]

yo goose tell him about your OS @amber yacht

[grizzled osprey]

make all ur c++ projects compile time

[broken thorn]

the 4 functions: create write update delete

[late bear]

Some good project ideas that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[broken thorn]

uhhhhcan you separate faang from quant please lmao

i feel like todo list is good for faang

but red flaggy for quant

[azure zenith]

I think it's bad for anything

Tic tac toe? To-do list?

Everyone has done those

Those are hyper boiler plate boring projects

Do not do those

Do something interesting where you actually learn something new

You will then be able to talk about it much more in interviews

hello world

maybe even a name guessing game

[broken thorn]

chess engine is cool imo, especially if it uses monte carlo stuff and machine learning

[azure zenith]

Ye fair

[broken thorn]

i should drop out of college and just contribute to stockfish

[azure zenith]

But not to do list, calculator app, tic tac toe

[broken thorn]

yeye for sure

make a joke calculator app that sends the request to Wolfram

[open valley]

1-2 days

[void sorrel]

2-3 days

[potent iron]

Anyone get to final from Akuna 201?

[obtuse schooner]

Thx for responses

I'm looking specifically for projects that target quant

[livid wedge]

i dont agree with that list either

for quant swe a good project is implementing an exchange in c++ w/ an orderbook

its pretty much how i got an interview for my current internship

[obtuse schooner]

thank you for response. Could you elaborate on this? What exchange and what is an orderbook?

[livid wedge]

google exchange & orderbook and u'll find good articles/videos about them

[split axle]

Do quant firms resume reject before or after the OA?

IMC in particular

Got the trading OA but didn’t apply w referral so kinda worried lol

[shell gazelle]

After the OA (for SWE, idk about trading)

[split axle]

Rip

[tepid wedge]

hey guys, how long do I wait to hear back from citsec after the oa (trading intern)?

[bitter ember]

has anyone interviewed with transmarket group for their python dev position?

[stiff girder]

minimum 3 weeks

[ocean gazelle]

unfortunately even clang cant do this

apple clang with no constexpr std::pow 😍

[grizzled osprey]

that's why it's interesting bro

u would need to write ur own metafunction for almost everything

[ocean gazelle]

if someone pulled off a full compile-time physics engine

id be amazed

[grizzled osprey]

nah that's not possible, cause ur taking inputs?

static programs yes

[ocean gazelle]

depends on the physics you're computing

[grizzled osprey]

true

[ocean gazelle]

yeah its fine for static programs that have literals only

[grizzled osprey]

game engine nah

[ocean gazelle]

yea

most algebraic physics could probably be done with tpm

given youre using literals

[terse swan]

Does anyone know what to expect for the first technical interview for swe interns at optiver?

[clever bridge]

you all need to stop

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8FuRGJt/

[broken thorn]

i did well in trading oa last year and got sent to the robot interview

not sure if i was just in limbo and was gonna get rejected anyway though

[livid wedge]

anyone do an omc trading superday?

[autumn aspen]

anyone do an omc trading superday

[neon cobalt]

Greenbook, zetemac, LC, everyday since freshman year 😈

Good job @neon cobalt keep it up

Tradermath.org

📌 ^^^

[exotic eagle]

weird q but do belvedere often take long time to schedule interview

[median warren]

when did you reply with your availability?

[exotic eagle]

nearly a week i think

did add a few more slots few days ago

might be a little bit impatient from me tho

[twilit wolf]

any quant position in HK?

[void sorrel]

Anyone know much about what Optiver final round for swe looks like?

[trim wharf]

This comes up quite a bit too

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem

[median warren]

Anyone who scheduled interview for Belvedere ?

[hearty rivet]

yes

[potent iron]

Anyone heard back from Akuna 201?

[amber yacht]

Just had mine and got quizzed mostly on homotopy theory

Other people ik got Lie algebras and galois theory like sid said but i think it depends on the recruiter

[smoky gulch]

bro wtf they asking undergrad swes abt this?

[static musk]

nah im pretty sure it’s fairly standard, i got asked the same for post-trade

[void sorrel]

They also like asking people to build a fully functional self driving car problem

[ocean gazelle]

you dont have an extensive discussion on open problems in algebraic topology during ur recruiter phones?

gg

ngmi

[smoky gulch]

yea im ngmi

[trim wharf]

Refer to this LC if you’d like to practice

[quasi orbit]

trust

[next hazel]

is sig trading oa auto?

[quasi orbit]

i dont think they expect you acc understand this stuff

i havent met a single cit person who got asked these types of q unless its on ur resume or u bring it up

[frank thorn]

Does old mission call to reject after final

[stiff girder]

and u did compilers also for ur coop

[amber veldt]

five rings asked me log base 2 of 50!

[quasi orbit]

five rings asked me "are you from mit"

[amber veldt]

Has anyone done the superday with citadel

[void sorrel]

Five rings would’ve asked me stupid math which is why I requested not to do the interview

And to prioritize swe

I don’t go to one of HYPMS and got an interview. So…

Yes

What responses? Or at least if there were any I don’t remember

But I heard for QT since SWEs only starting this week I believe

[white haven]

swe or qt?

[brisk trellis]

you dont go to a T20 school?

[white haven]

good secured the RO

wbu

[amber yacht]

What’s gp

[brisk trellis]

oh

is t20 cs enough to get past resume screen?

with projects and swe experience?

[amber yacht]

congrats on data cleaning monkey intern

[proper vector]

Has somebody been asked quantitative problems from Virtu, what’s the best way to prep for them?

[void sorrel]

They also may ask some algorithms questions and this is a common one

[deep cargo]

50k dislikes...

[livid wedge]

my first reaction to this was "no way there's a super hard section on leetcode"