Yea I keep trying to ask @hexed rock out but he always rejects me
#quants-n-traders
amber yacht
hexed rock
you're too short sorry
amber yacht
Bro is hispanic and can't speak spanish
hexed rock
im 6'1 hes not gonna beat me
hexed rock
Bro is hispanic and can't speak spanish
you cant speak cantonese
amber yacht
you cant speak cantonese
I can
amber yacht
Yeah
hexed rock
he was already being racist so i say fair is fair
also hes not actually 5'2
i dont think
idk
hexed rock
You just said I'm short out of nowhere
austin says that and u dont complain
double standards
amber yacht
Depends if you want local or general anesthesia
winged dove
Jesus what is with you people
Yeah i'm aware of the typo on the poster also why are you wasting your time tearing someone down ?
amber yacht
Yeah man @regal sorrel
lost leaf
@kimchaewon you also joined in as well
no he didnt why are u gaslighting us
winged dove
Chat logs say otherwise you laughing along with the boys!
amber yacht
I’m literally defending you
winged dove
Heck even some of minju's messages got delted
winged dove
😂
lost leaf
rancid vibrations
winged dove
But yeah enough with the crab bucket mentality that will get you nowhere
lost leaf
youd know if you were as smart as him
winged dove
Roughly means If I can't have it, neither can you.”
Pretty much the entire chat eariler in the day and now
Lel
I already finished uni looking for ng/junior roles
lost leaf
rope
bridgewater investment engineer is a peak outcome meant for only the smartest people on planet earth
cope
winged dove
Also i should have said this earlier but at a certain point noone really cares what uni you went to what matters is the overall impact your work has
amber yacht
Cope
winged dove
Pretty much the physics problem that I was doing was a subproblem of a much wider problem
That internship is where I got exposed to data science and I heard about quant
But I didn't start applying for Quant till now since I liked working in a research lab
lost leaf
is it better than stock trading bot which predicts the next price of the stock at 78% accuracy using an LSTM
winged dove
Plus I was aiming for other stuff at the time when I was actiively only know looked at quant because banks are the only ones taking on junior candiates
lost leaf
i didnt know optimus prime was a quant
winged dove
Yeah mainly coded everything in python and use numpy if i'm remembering the details correctly
amber yacht
Regression to the mean
winged dove
Like in this market you have to put yourself outthere
I know someone who is also applying to like 5 different industries to maximize his chances
So I mean can you really blame me ?
What would you do if you were ng with decent math/cs background a bit of wider knowledge about tech outside the tech world ?
amber yacht
Wagmi
winged dove
But seriously stop dooming some of you have experience you'll be able to get something
lost leaf
cope harder
winged dove
Tbf I can't blame you guys for being this way considering how bad the job market is rn
If things were better I imagine most of you would not be here
lost leaf
im going to keep my math pure (i am a pure math major) and pretend like i didnt see that
amber yacht
Do you go to the same school as sid
lost leaf
see u somewhere in the inside region of a jordan curve in hilbert space
winged dove
Nahh do both
If you can at least get all the grad courses in pure math you are pretty much set for applied stuffs
I think Magic has some low cost math grad courses that have been going like hotcakes over the pandemic
amber yacht
How do you leetcode
winged dove
winged dove
How do you leetcode
The way I do it you may not like it but it's effective for studying. What kinda of interviews are you preparing for ?
Depending on the format of the interview will affect how you prep
amber yacht
Idk what to expect in interviews tbh
winged dove
But then again the way I do things is a bit different since I wasn't applying for quant early on
amber yacht
Uhhh big tech
winged dove
Uhhh big tech
Which thing/role in particular ?
amber yacht
Swe
I mean i thought you’d just solve as many problems as you can
And then pattern match
runic grotto
And then pattern match
Yeah that’s about it
hexed rock
what did he want to do instead lmfao
amber yacht
Aerospace
hexed rock
systems is swe?
hexed rock
dear god imagine being in a spaceship with code written by this mf
but that means you cant scroll twitter anymore
amber yacht
No more hft twitter
hexed rock
o
amber yacht
Oh
hexed rock
Sell out or rope
what 5 minutes in a research lab does to a mf
carmine temple
yo
i can either take multivar calculus in the fall and then lin alg in the spring, or just lin alg in the fall
which would be better for quant dev and swe
lusty mantle
lin alg 1000%
carmine temple
sorry i just edited what i wrote earlier
lusty mantle
still lin alg
carmine temple
so i should just not take multi ?
lusty mantle
so i should just not take multi ?
tbh u wont need it
carmine temple
Multi is useless tbh
yea thats what everyone been saying
would quant firms and swe companies care
lusty mantle
nope
amber yacht
No
carmine temple
but few ppl said multi is useful for ML
lusty mantle
lin alg is way more useful lol
carmine temple
lin alg is way more useful lol
id be taking lin alg regardless
lusty mantle
ik what PDs are i should be good
yes
carmine temple
so ill just skip multi
do yall think diff eqs is a good class
that id need for quant dev and swe
ye
lusty mantle
prob not for quant dev or swe specifically but diff eq is better ye
carmine temple
arent quant dev interviews just CS questions and some stats/probability
no actual math like stoch calc or shit that traders use
why ppl putting skulls
tf i say that bad
tulip sapphire
Multi is useless tbh
for QR a good amnt of firms will ask abt lagrange multipliers and 3d optimization (abstracted portfolio optimization) and probability with double/triple integrals
tulip sapphire
I used triple integral in hrt algo dev interviews
lmao i knew someone was gonna bring this up
aquatic QR and arrowstreet QD ask about it
mainly mathy academic quant firms
like hedge funds specifically
everyone needs to solve optimization problems tho
runic grotto
Anyone have good resources for a review of the fundamentals of statistics?
robust totem
ap stats princeton review 
amber yacht
Anyone have good resources for a review of the fundamentals of statistics?
Stat 110 final exam cheat sheet
This is probability though
runic grotto
This is probability though
Oh that’s great, thank you
amber yacht
Stat 111 final cheat sheet also good if it exists
hexed rock
bro is speaking hypothetically
ocean gazelle
for QR a good amnt of firms will ask abt lagrange multipliers and 3d optimizatio...
Goddamn you mentioning Lagrange brought up so many memories
Times in multi of having to constrained optimization on the longest functions you’ll ever read
By hand
winged dove
The bullying stopped this
winged dove
mainly mathy academic quant firms
I should apply to those firms which ones are they ?
Yeah but who else does whiteboard style interviews
Applied for arrowstreet and squarepoint
Since squarepoint actually takes on juniors
visual compass
Yo does anyone know of some boutique funds that are interesting? I feel like larger firms are a bit out of my reach rn. I have a few internships, T30, 3.7 gpa, and ML research experience. Also, when do new grad SWE roles drop?
winged dove
how difficult is the resume screen @ DRW?
Depends for some roles you have to fall within their graduation date range
visual compass
Im class of 24
winged dove
Im class of 24
You should be fine I got screened out since I graduated in 22
queen delta
how difficult is the resume screen @ DRW?
what internships do you have
visual compass
one at a fintech startup, the other at a company that you havent heard of
winged dove
Anyone heard of trans market group ?
tulip sapphire
tmg is decent but not top tier
same level as belvedere, peak6, wolverine, gelber group, etc
TMG's Chicago office is rly mid and they have a large non-compete, so it's really bad, the only reason ik of them is cuz people who work there usually exit to jump/tower/hrt/more well-known places
visual compass
why don't you delay graduation to get quant companies <@437026385345904640>
I’m trying to get into SWE (my math skills are not good enough to be a trader)-would it be worth delaying graduation for SWE?
scenic bison
I’m trying to get into SWE (my math skills are not good enough to be a trader)-w...
Purely for quant companies probably not
queen delta
Purely for quant companies probably not
wait why not
winged dove
TMG's Chicago office is rly mid and they have a large non-compete, so it's reall...
What’s the difference between a mid tier firm and high tier firm ? I imagine it’s more money to funnel towards r&d but other then that I can’t think of anything else
queen delta
can't he go from like 120K to 400K
queen delta
What’s the difference between a mid tier firm and high tier firm ? I imagine it’...
TC and non-compete like he said
tulip sapphire
can't he go from like 120K to 400K
lol it's not a guarantee in any way
winged dove
TC and non-compete like he said
My bad discord just loaded
visual compass
lol it's not a guarantee in any way
That’s what I’m thinking
queen delta
well can't you guarantee a certain skill improvement @honest hazel
like let's say you're at 120 leetcode count
and you know you can get to 500 in about 6 months for example
@tulip sapphire
winged dove
Why did you ping him ?
tulip sapphire
no ping pls
queen delta
That’s what I’m thinking
is the fintech startup on the level of faang
queen delta
I’m actually at 460+ rn
oh lmao
tulip sapphire
im at much more than 500 lc and i can tell you it wont help much for quant
queen delta
do yo uthink you can cop faang+ compensation
queen delta
im at much more than 500 lc and i can tell you it wont help much for quant
i was giving an example of guaranteed skill improvement
instead of that
winged dove
im at much more than 500 lc and i can tell you it wont help much for quant
We need something like lc but for quant and other similar positions tbh
queen delta
maybe you took a systems course in your extra semester
and you built a project in C++
you know what i mean
tulip sapphire
.
visual compass
and you built a project in C++
I’m actually doodoo at c++ 🤣 Python is my best language by far since that’s what I use in my research, with Java a serviceable second
winged dove
Qg needs more lc like features
scenic bison
wait why not
What do not ping said
queen delta
I’m actually doodoo at c++ 🤣 Python is my best language by far since that’s wha...
nah but I'm saying you can take an extra semester and learn it
no?
queen delta
What do not ping said
what did he say
my idea was that he takes a gap semester to learn the skills necessary
and even if he dosen't land it
scenic bison
what did he say
Chances are low regardless
queen delta
he can still land faang tier
queen delta
Chances are low regardless
sure but he still has a floor
scenic bison
If he can land faang then that’s just a waste of a semester it’s not like you need c++ for faang
queen delta
sure
winged dove
If he can land faang then that’s just a waste of a semester it’s not like you ne...
There are some positions where it might help
scenic bison
There are some positions where it might help
Some
winged dove
Google has an associate reverse engineer postion open
visual compass
like, I feel like taking a gap semester to just learn C++ is not worth imo
abt Faang, Ive done like 120+ LC hard so passing the interview isnt difficult for me-I just cannot get past the resume screen for the life of me
but I really like my current job at my startup-its really flexible and I like my boss and project. However, if a prop shop or quant fund comes calling...
so I would only leave my current company for a HFT or hedge fund
queen delta
whats the comp at startup
visual compass
for ng, its 100k base
winged dove
but I really like my current job at my startup-its really flexible and I like my...
What kinda things are you doing at the startup ?
visual compass
Im doing mostly ML work
like if my project succeeds it will completely change how my company operates
and its very close to being successful now
winged dove
I mean you have an impactful project best to just grind that out then use that to leverage your way into quant firms
queen delta
if you're happy with it, then I would probably stick with that
visual compass
I also might be open sourcing it
winged dove
Lazr your sitting on a gold mine rn don’t throw it away for extra $$$
visual compass
thank you @winged dove - imagine my project succeeds and overnight my startup becomes a 🦄 lol
winged dove
A good project/paper early career will open doors better then quant tbh
visual compass
A good project/paper early career will open doors better then quant tbh
thats an interesting take! I thought the reverse
Im also planning on publishing my research sometime this year
winged dove
Nahh there are like research labs that pay and have good benefits
visual compass
the foundation for my ML model in my research is already there
visual compass
Nahh there are like research labs that pay and have good benefits
but those are open to masters/phd students, right?
winged dove
but those are open to masters/phd students, right?
Some places hire undergrads
Plus big tech or high level tech companies work on cool stuff
visual compass
interesting...Id def be curious abt that!
to be completely honest at my core Im more of a math person than a CS person-in high school I created a novel proof that the sum of 1/n^2 from n=1 to infinity is pi^2/6
and it was my interest in math that got me into ML in the first place
I was interested in Quant because I felt that it was a place where Math + CS met + harmonized, as nerdy as that sounds lol
it also didnt hurt that they paid 🤑
winged dove
interesting...Id def be curious abt that!
I can send over some places I’ve interviewed at or that I’m currently fielding for
visual compass
really? that'd be sick!
queen delta
A good project/paper early career will open doors better then quant tbh
facts
ocean gazelle
Damn didn’t even know that
tulip sapphire
we had a recruiting event at my uni and the head of some dept said for his org they would be taking much less interns for su24
seems 
ye
google pay is rope tho
so not a big loss lol
well i wouldnt work at a quant firm that paid the same as google
i plan on doing shit wherever i go lol
obsidian flare
What about Java first if it’s our main
Might have to
Cringe++
Java is like the non cringe version of cpp
I swear bro
cpp reference good?
Frontend is cringe but Java is fine bro
You hating for nothing
Unironically it clears every language
runic grotto
obsidian flare
I’ll go to hell and back for Java
We making it out the mud with abd
lol
he does dp by hand
my goat man
queen delta
does anyone know how hard point 72 quant dev is?
I'm debating whether to apply to it
yeah like 10 seconds ago lmfao
do you have any info about it by any chance
cppreference is basic tho
like it only goes over the basics
you won't get any real knowledge going over it
jesus fucking christ
probably insanely hard
yeah
some yellow shit
from what i remember
yes
let me show you
queen delta
some yellow shit
this is not racist btw
ohh
i'm dumb
i was thinking of a diff website
i was thinking of learncpp.com
which has since changed its css
winged dove
Put in my application screw it
Sometimes cold messaging dosent work
Dannng
I know but consider internships in this market are essentially extended interviews
Besides their application process is painless so fuck it!
Is their anything similar to poin72 academy ?
queen delta
Is their anything similar to poin72 academy ?
isn't point 72 academy only for freshman
there's two sigma bullshit
yeah this
fast gazelle
data cleaning monkey or legit role
winged dove
Like think about it just like 1-2 years in quant can pay your loans and set-up the rest of yoru carreer
So if I see something i'm applying for it
My bad
Do it research lab coding is fun trust me
LIke you can go from quant -> anything tbh
I know 😩
Do they pay salary or commission ?
Just apply now and get your foot in the door early
I can send you over some stuff i'm using/gonna use for interview prep
runic grotto
Remote?
queen delta
what age do you guys think is too old?
winged magnet
What company?
queen delta
do you really think he would share that with you
jk
just join alchemy if you're doing blockchain
you'll make hella in stock okptions
no comment
but T20
sure
fluid kite
Had my virtual onsite with Optiver last Monday - Haven't heard back yet, is that normal?
They said within 3-4 days regardless of it being good or bad news
Yeah i sent out the thank you email, and never heard back
so wanted to give it a week before following up
appreciate
also thoughts on Aquatic?
north slate
Had my virtual onsite with Optiver last Monday - Haven't heard back yet, is that...
do u mind if i ask what did your cv look like to get past the cv screening stage ?
sand heron
Had my virtual onsite with Optiver last Monday - Haven't heard back yet, is that...
any tips ?
and good luck on the offer
fluid kite
do u mind if i ask what did your cv look like to get past the cv screening stage...
So I actually have 1 YOE, and I was poached directly from Optiver -- Happy to share on DMs
fluid kite
any tips ?
Honestly, everything that i found online didn't match up haha
I had coding and sys design
everything from LC Med/Hard, Object Oriented design, cs trivia, low level stuff
System Design: Typical, but get ready to explain every step, and they really care about the low level stuff.
appreciate, @tulip sapphire I'd DM you but..
if they give me the offer, i'll take being slutty to them
north slate
So I actually have 1 YOE, and I was poached directly from Optiver -- Happy to sh...
sure i wouldnt mind
fluid kite
Is there a general tier list of all the firms somewhere?
winged magnet
👍
fluid kite
I know this exists https://github.com/quantprep/quantnewgrad2022, but seems dated and NG specific
tulip sapphire
i dont, the only person ik there rn is from this channel's discord, i only o/w know recruiters
tulip sapphire
appreciate, <@695379089183211530> I'd DM you but..
but what?
fluid kite
your name is do not ping
tulip sapphire
Is there a general tier list of all the firms somewhere?
doesnt make sense since HF and prop are very diff
fluid kite
do you want me to ping you
tulip sapphire
just recruit wherever pays high enough
fluid kite
il ping you
yeah been doing that
just tough to find a firm willing to pay as much as my curr tc
lmao can I DM you
tulip sapphire
aquatic wont match ur curr TC
they have had layoffs recently
mfw
no this is normal now, see levels.fyi/internships
someone make a manifold or kalshi market on the top internship base next year
ill go long
Definitely yes
working on perlmutter is like instant XTX pipeline
headlands also loves that shit
you get to work with one of the best high-performance computing clusters in the world
😐
lyric loom
yo
winged dove
What is a j-1 program ?
Ahhh makes sense
😂
I just used open-ai to write my personal statement pog
north slate
I just used open-ai to write my personal statement pog
i did that for a cover letter as well 🤣
tulip sapphire
I just used open-ai to write my personal statement pog
which firm
winged dove
which firm
Not for a quant firm tho
ocean gazelle
@thorn wyvern dyk when the point72 regular internships drop?
prob recruiter reach out
winged dove
Yeah pretty much
There were some jsers that did leave
Like quant has the highest burnout compared to other postions tbh
I think citadel has a very high turnover rate
Nahh they go start their own quant firm
There was on guy on reddit who worked quant for a couple of years then used non-compete to pay the bills for grad schools and moved into something else
winged dove
I don't think bign is hiring right now tbh Amazon is still fresh from layoffs
scenic bison
Like every big tech is
winged dove
How much are they paying ?
100k tc is a good deal tho in this market
Startups are a meme interviewd for one and did not have a good experience
rose holly
such a scam company
getting an offer is dependent on having a good recruiter
I mean
people are matching with deepmind
Deepmind is now in team match
based on reddit
BRUH
ok I'm happy
lmfao
means I didn't miss out that much
🤣
They aren't hiring interns anymore
only NG
this year was last batch
still is
bro u dont want ads
ngl chances arent high
ur probs either getting 1) Logging or 2) Dashboards
for team
the dumbest thing is that it's the recruiter who decides what team is a good match for the intern
for other companies that do team match it's usually higher ups
yea
some recruiters are lazy and wont send ur profile
so managers just look at the spreadsheet
but if ur recruiter is good
then they send ur profile to a lot of managers
mine was the biggest scam
the host told me over linkedin they put me as top choice for intern then the recruiter matched the host with another intern
it's not ur questionnaire it's ur recruiter if project match has started
lol google is wack tho
IOI guy I know didn't get a single team match call
tbf he's in a better spot now anyways at js
doe not need google
ofc
fr
it's getting a lot worse too
internally blind is going crazy
zucc 😍
da zucc
zuck threads
🐐
bro what about
JENSEN
🐐
ngl nvidia internship is p goated
a lot of interns got to demo to jensen
🐐
so many 2 minute paper videos
true
apple pay goated team too
in the NYC office
solar axle
I disagree
rose holly
@small owl bruh I just realized who u are
💀
dababy
I heard he's so cracked that he killed two stones with one bird
runic grotto
🤔
rose holly
G
solar axle
Dang nice fall or winter?
tulip sapphire
There was on guy on reddit who worked quant for a couple of years then used non-...
is this the guy who got TGS and GQS offers nego'd against ea other? UIUC?
winged dove
is this the guy who got TGS and GQS offers nego'd against ea other? UIUC?
Not sure tbh but the person openly said it but I forget the username
tulip sapphire
everyone does afaik, or whatev is required in that state
potent dome
Have y’all heard of what they ask for citsdel QR phone screens?
tulip sapphire
averaged based banh message
final garden
Why do quant interns make more than seniors lol
I see $150 per hour + $25k sign up bonus
For interns
wtf do seniors make
At Radix Trading
tulip sapphire
i have the exact same setup lol, what firm is this?
nah it's not
true
isnt the correlation question pretty standard
based, but wb the ML prof
ya but that's all resume-based
simply dont put shit on ur resume that u dont actually know
🤯
wb recruiting
ng
but ur saying u would
winged dove
wb recruiting
Link plz
amber yacht
thoughts on p72?
Rope
tulip sapphire
both
amber yacht
Everything is rope
tulip sapphire
is academy fundmental
winged dove
P72 looks nice
tulip sapphire
winged dove
Seriously what do they cover ?
tulip sapphire
i had a recruiter contact me but ima ghost p72
base or tc
what is the tc
is uhhhhh a phd?
winged dove
Shelby Jennings is such a rope Recuriter
tulip sapphire
Shelby Jennings is such a rope Recuriter
why do u say that
tfw i dont have good enough takes to get pinged on here 
winged dove
why do u say that
They contact you collect your resume then ghost
tulip sapphire
They contact you collect your resume then ghost
oh.
💀
that happened to me
i thought they were j very slow
amber yacht
Is this for qt
tulip sapphire
but tbh i got played. ic that now, ty
winged dove
Yeah had one in my inbox the other day was excited and everything
amber yacht
Oh
tulip sapphire
Yeah had one in my inbox the other day was excited and everything
which firms
winged dove
which firms
Didn’t mention the firm
tulip sapphire
congrats on being an excel dev!
tulip sapphire
Didn’t mention the firm
why would u send a resume then...
amber yacht
Yeah you do
winged dove
why would u send a resume then...
Said it was a new team forming so I got curious
tulip sapphire
which would u rather be:
A) nebraska state undergrad to Princeton math phd
or
B) nebraska state undergrad to Google swe
tulip sapphire
Said it was a new team forming so I got curious
they didnt say a firm though?
winged dove
they didnt say a firm though?
I replied but nothing
tulip sapphire
they said the same to me but they like at least said a firm
amber yacht
Bro worried about the wrong modules
winged dove
Lmao
lost leaf
gourmet chef focusing on root vegetables at The Wendy's Company
obsidian flare
phd at uoft
winged dove
Can you elaborate?
amber yacht
phd at uoft
What are you doing your phd at uoft in?
lost leaf
it's been my dream ever since I was a child (22) to be a fry chef at a popular restaurant like Wendy's
obsidian flare
What are you doing your phd at uoft in?
geology
lost leaf
this has to be a hate crime
obsidian flare
unironically i will have a better legacy doing phd in geology than swe
exactly
legitimately phd in climate change > software engineer
winged dove
I got referral for vanguard
winged dove
legitimately phd in climate change > software engineer
Nahh theoretical physics
hexed rock
kinda based
lost leaf
do vanguard swes even make more than the phd stipend + a summer internship
amber yacht
Sounds nice wdym
winged dove
Depends on what team your on tbh
amber yacht
Graduate
winged dove
TA or RA
Just go to Canada
For grad school
Canada is bis what do you mean ?
How much do you get paid ?
hexed rock
imagine being british or canadian
winged dove
Us is not that great trust me
hexed rock
Us is not that great trust me
better than canada or the UK
winged dove
👀 I’ll take that
amber yacht
Sounds like Cali
winged dove
Not bad tbh
How does the cost of living in Canada look like ?
Jesus
Every 8 months you pay rent ?
Ahh
How much does tuition cost ?
I mean looking at the Canada looks nice
hexed rock
do they actually go in depth though
idk anywhere that actually goes into the details
oh nice
winged dove
For grad students apparently tution is like 7k annually
hexed rock
u can always learn the little details on your own
lusty mantle
so many better uses of time
hexed rock
you can usually use std map even though its less efficient (compared to unordered)
thats what i just end up doing bc im not writing a hash function just for leetcode
is flat map being added finally
only 20 years too late
in practice, whenever compilers decide to implement each feature
clang still does not fully support c++17
winged dove
Anything else tho ? I’ve been mainly leetcoding in Python
There is always unknown cheats but be warned that place is not for the faint of heart
hexed rock
making an OS is surprisingly helpful because it forces you to stop using the standard library
you have to reimplement a lot of stuff yourself that way
if you go down that route anyway, you can always just write C
making an OS is not rope smh
was it from scratch tho
its more fun that way
well
if you want to learn the more esoteric features then just reimplement standard library containers on your own
it'll be boring but thats one way to do it
whats so bad about std vector
oh i forgot about that part
they were actually gonna add another container called dynarray but that never saw the light of day
im not in britain
obsidian flare
Me
Cambridge gaps everything
Except Paris Saclay
Honestly yeah
If I was French I would not be depressed
winged dove
Is bridgewater that bad ?
Tbf there are some places that are really garbage but the doomerism in this channel is just needs to take a seat back
wary glade
anyone have tips for headlands phone screen
winged dove
I still haven’t heard from headlands after doing their OA
It’s only been like 2 days
wary glade
It’s only been like 2 days
took them ~3 days to get back to me
winged dove
I could not get my tests working on the OA but the code was well designed
Yeah
I did it in Python
Job runner question easy but could not get the results printing
Nah Python
wary glade
I did it in Python
I don't think I had an option
winged dove
I had been doing all my OAs in Python and didn’t wanna make the switch to cpp
Hmm I wonder how they will look at my OA
Like i designed it well with comments and everything just could not get the tests working
Had helper functions for checking corner cases
Yeah but who knows like getting the correct answer in an OA is only 1 percent of the game there’s other things to look at as well
obsidian flare
Vineyard vines core is valid
Nah bro
All the french use vineyard
You just gotta learn from the best
hexed rock
whats so good about france
all they do is riot say hon hon and eat baguette
obsidian flare
#1 math country
bro
Where u think Descartes and pascal are from
Not California that’s for sure
quasi orbit
They want u to do the headlands oa in c++
amber yacht
Is back to basics cppcon good for this type of stuff
ocean gazelle
Is back to basics cppcon good for this type of stuff
learn cpp covers the basic topics in that list
like runtime polymorphism
Rest you can google
amber yacht
learn cpp covers the basic topics in that list
In general tho would you recommend cppcon back to basics
sage adder
dm for optiver referral (lmk which role and office)
runic grotto
dm for optiver referral (lmk which role and office)
Would you say optiver referrals help in any part of the process?
sage adder
resume screen
crisp vault
If you know c and oop how hard is it to pick up cpp
ocean gazelle
If you know c and oop how hard is it to pick up cpp
not hard but not free
there’s quirks that come with branching off from C
crisp vault
For google project matching I’m gonna put cpp has primary language even though I’ve only done c
Should be able to pick it up by next summer
ocean gazelle
that was so funny to read
Dripping with sweat
what’s Thursday server
nah it’s legit
look at the post history
Spanish III (honors)
saw levels once
sage adder
dm for optiver referral (lmk which role and office)
only interns role for now, NG roles arent out yet
opaque sable
@split dirge thoughts?
low vault
Rej optiver 
Didn’t specify sponsorship specifically so ig resume rej
Just interviewed on Thursday, so still waiting a bit
But I just realized I made a 
mistake during my 3rd interview
So maybe I got rekt
Yeah hopefully not
I was talking abt some bug I had during a contest
And the guy was like “why not just do ___ normally” and I was sorta like.. 🤷 cos cp has a lot of questionable practice
winged dove
Getting my resume looked at by a crypto trading company
quasi orbit
Getting my resume looked at by a crypto trading company
Where are you at now?
tranquil nova
What was the process for shaw?
winged dove
Where are you at now?
Still actively interviewing
low vault
What was the process for shaw?
oa -> 1 interview -> 2-3 interviews -> 1-2 interviews -> references+code sample
tranquil nova
goddamn long ass process
winged dove
Anyone interviewed/applied for point72 experienced professionals program ?
low vault
goddamn long ass process
🥲 praying my interview mistakes havent rekt me yet
they got back to me every couple of days roughly
and scheduled pretty quickly
winged dove
oa -> 1 interview -> 2-3 interviews -> 1-2 interviews -> references+code sample
Were they all technical interviews ?
low vault
Were they all technical interviews ?
combination of technical and behavioural
each was some subset of {lc, a lil bit of behavioural, asking about my programming experience}
tranquil nova
Glgl you got this
winged dove
I imagine I’m applying for GTRI and when those interviews come o.O
tulip sapphire
ngl idk why people even apply to a shop that's almost only-C++ code driven if they dont want to code in cpp
hexed rock
ngl idk why people even apply to a shop that's almost only-C++ code driven if th...
they are noobs
solar axle
Do I need to know how to code to become an ib?
Wb quant?
Do I need to know how to code to become a doctor?
I wanna be homeless, I don’t wanna work a job
All cs jobs are going to be automated in the future
What’s the point of studying cs
Wdym lol
plucky gate
All cs jobs are going to be automated in the future
This can actually happen in our lifetime
If you want to avoid this happening to you, get on the AI train
be one of the people putting SWEs out of jobs
solar axle
be one of the people putting SWEs out of jobs
Ml engineers
Ai firms are hot
Ai > faang
Will ai replace quant?
low vault
should I include USACO on resume?
did pre well in one of the contests but never got any award bc im not american
i was thinking bc I put canadian contest stuff on it but idk if most companies know about the canadian contests 
uncut steeple
shaw doesn't fire?
oh wow
makes sense with the rumors that shaw pays under market
tulip sapphire
eh shaw pays fine, there's only a few places that pay more
neat junco
Did you get offer there
Was never able to pass the resume screening there
Along with vatic and 5r
sand willow
is headlands open
solar axle
i love js so much
final garden
I highly doubt AI will be the end of jobs
Super advanced calculators exist but being a mathmatician is still a thing, just a 1000 more efficient
I bet the internet and computers had just the same amount of fear when it came to destroying jobs
ocean gazelle
idk abt intern but NG SWE was 600k at one point right
final garden
All the internet did was create 100000000000 more jobs
ocean gazelle
according to levels last yr
ocean gazelle
All the internet did was create 100000000000 more jobs
actually I’ve seen this analogy before and the more I think abt it the more I dislike it
The internet and web had a goal of being a decentralized knowledge share
LLMs, at least, are centralized knowledge shares
Actually
You could say that about the printing press and that created many jobs
So idk
uncut steeple
anybody have numbers for valk
rose holly
Levels is wrong for these quant firms
untold mantle
Did you it?
sand willow
anyone have google app link
sage adder
dm for optiver referral (lmk which role and office)
tulip sapphire
This is meaningless without yoe
winged dove
I know but like if they are interested they reach out to you
I know bro 💀
I wish sig would interview me :c
I just want a nice salary + benefits + tution reimbursement
hexed rock
the lint gives it more flavor
low vault
Is anyone willing to give refer to point72 (cubist systematic strategies s24 dev intern)
potent iron
Anyone have insight into Old Mission Phone interview?
autumn aspen
Anyone have insight into Old Mission Phone interview?
for swe?
potent iron
junior trader
tender zodiac
Info on Tower Research Capital OA? Quant trader 2024
low vault
Lol i just rmb applying optiver and then 2 days later someone was dumping referrals in chat 🥲
They all pay good
Maybe i should just send app rn and not wait
Idk
potent iron
what is the range
low vault
Still kinda rng tho
Didnt pass cit or optiver
Aight its vroom vroom time
Do they expect anything special in the email or just resume
O
U at work?
Ye
U said ur wating to apply lol
Ah icic
Gl :0
tulip sapphire
Is anyone willing to give refer to point72 (cubist systematic strategies s24 dev...
Everyone after they see the TC
tulip sapphire
No
winged magnet
do not ping Do you know the good Point72 teams?
tulip sapphire
And crypto!!
opaque sable
tulip sapphire
do not ping Do you know the good Point72 teams?
Cubist and anywhere systematic is good
Fundamental/discretionary teams have been losing money recently
P72 was better when it was called SAC capital
opaque sable
still funny
winged magnet
Thanks
low vault
maybe its time to finish my moss project hehe 
winged dove
Has anyone heard of t3 trading group ?
👍
opaque sable
yahkuna
lyric loom
f u
opaque sable
@lyric loom
winged dove
With C++ if your not careful you can fall into the trap of abstraction
azure zenith
sorry if this is spam but i didn't post it in this channel and i think it's relevant / could help anyone trying to get in:
Optiver Referral Links
Trading Intern Early App (Amsterdam) https://optiver.reallinks.io/r/gxoKUxVG
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SWE Grad (Amsterdam) https://optiver.reallinks.io/r/47zEHVqo
Trading Grad (Amsterdam) https://optiver.reallinks.io/r/gxoKUxVG
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winged dove
sorry if this is spam but i didn't post it in this channel and i think it's rele...
No Chicago ?
azure zenith
I can, which role?
winged dove
I need help drilling on C++ i've only ever read for attacking ctf binarys
winged dove
I can, which role?
SWE Grad
azure zenith
SWE Grad (Chicago): https://optiver.reallinks.io/r/3bxqU5xm
literally JUST came out today i think
azure zenith
problem with rust is
almost every firm has cpp codebase
and they are not going to rip out the carpets to switch to rust
i swear it seems like the main reason CPP is still around is because... it is still around
tulip sapphire
congrats on 2 hour compile times!
tulip sapphire
almost every firm has cpp codebase
Carbon time 
Is Carbon written as Co on the periodic table?
time to add some potassium+iodine+uranium+magnesium if so (i took chem in 9th grade and idr shit)
oh is it phosphate not potassium
add
so Co+P+I+U+M
stiff girder
optiver oa is alright not difficult no dp or graphs needed
straight array hashmap to solve a complex problem with diff edge cases
really implementation heavy
for q1
q2 very easy related to intervals
low vault
Well hopefully he get back tmr
runic grotto
By get back do you mean something other than the "we will share your resume with teams"
hexed rock
using __x and __y wouldnt work outside of gcc right? honestly didnt know they had that
patent lance
.,
tough sand
Akuna OA is auto
sage adder
dm for optiver referral (NG SWE is out)
stable radish
<@&868936794601828492>
tulip sapphire
^ @ at seems like a scam since they didnt respond to my DM
winged dove
dm for optiver referral (NG SWE is out)
Send pls
oblique orbit
How long does it take to get rejected from citsec trading intern after OA
trim wharf
How long does it take to get rejected from citsec trading intern after OA
I’ll lyk lol
Missed ~3-4 qs
trim wharf
Mmk
low vault
waitin for p72 email b like
main totem
prob just disorganized since they won’t start interviewing for a while anyway
low vault
well hopefully my app doesn't get lost // other apps go well 🙏
low vault
citsec cutie
oblique orbit
A bunch of easier versions of green book problems
I made silly mistakes on a few but overall easier than most qt oa’s
amber veldt
nice should i just study the chapters on bayesian and probability from greenbook do u think
sand willow
any1 know what optiver asks in technical for trader
stiff girder
any1 know what optiver asks in technical for trader
expected value + probability using games and betting
yo whats combo??
oblique orbit
nice should i just study the chapters on bayesian and probability from greenbook...
Theres a few sneaky Bayes rule questions that aren’t immediately obvious
solar axle
I love Jane street ❤️
Yo
You like Kobe?
You a lakers fan?
Eww
How’s citsec?
Qt or swe?
ocean gazelle
inefficient shot chucker Jordan clone
Chinese knockoff Jordan
search up Kobe 2004 Colorado
real life mamba mentality !
never take no as answer!
sand willow
is optiver technical post resume screen? i applied as 2026 and im worried i might get rejected after tech for grad date
low vault
Do stuff like optiver 1 year app ban only apply if you actually interviewed with them
or would they also apply if you get resume screened out
amber yacht
Someone mentioned they blacklist if you get final and don't pass
But I'd imagine you can only apply once per cycle tho
If that's what you mean
low vault
yeah
I don't really see how you'd be applying multiple times anyway
im wondering now whether most places have this kinda policy
afaik optiver, akuna do
solar axle
i really wanna work for js :((
hexed rock
he just really really likes ocaml of course
rose holly
He liked the OCamlToe
amber yacht
He heard about the tc
low vault
real shit LOL
potent iron
@zenith sleet you know of any trading startups?
short patio
why not just ask
I don't think randoms would know better than partners/founders at a firm
potent iron
Anyone know how many rounds for omc junior trader?
winged dove
Do you actually get paid ?
I would work at a trading/hft startup if I got paid with $$$
tulip sapphire
Anyone know how many rounds for omc junior trader?
OA
|-> HR phone
|-> superday with like 4 rounds
|-> behavioral phone with head of education
|-> fly out for office tour and CEO talks to you
|-> offer
The main technical parts are gonna be oa and superday mainly
leaden temple
I got my midpoint eval today, the recruiter will ask if I'm gonna apply elsewhere and if I get ro, will I take it. How should I respond?
tulip sapphire
I got my midpoint eval today, the recruiter will ask if I'm gonna apply elsewher...
dont answer 1st q, for both q's say that youll take RO if u get RO
leaden temple
dont answer 1st q, for both q's say that youll take RO if u get RO
Would they just low-ball you then
tulip sapphire
Would they just low-ball you then
theyll always price u at the lowest they can
that's why you have competing offers
Actually for cit, maybe you should mention that you plan on recruiting to keep your options open but that your first choice is to return
that way they dont low-ball
cuz ik people who got 400k+ for swe without any competing offers, and without interning there
QR?
gl banh
your thought process is what matters more for QR
trader is where u def wanna j spit out the answer asap
stiff girder
self learn probability
read intro to counting and probability from david patrick
and grind green book
thats what i did last year and that was good enough for me to ace probability round but fucked up system design
for HRT
stiff girder
thats leetcode hard lol
solar axle
thats leetcode hard lol
Lc grind is enough for that?
stiff girder
Lc grind is enough for that?
yep
solar axle
I believe it’s just asked in the OA
solar axle
The phone is just probability
solar axle
naa there is a coding round after also
Oh is it basically like a faang interview?
stiff girder
Oh is it basically like a faang interview?
harder than faang
solar axle
harder than faang
Two sigma?
solar axle
harder than faang
I mean like the style of it
stiff girder
Two sigma?
yep
yea probability is basically counting + logic + quick maths using the theorems lol
stiff girder
system design is system design dont know how to explain it
old saddle
Hey guys I'm a bit confused, did JS post/refresh their NG posting yesterday or has it been on a rolling basis?
pliant kayak
Has anybody here done an interview for g-research for their software engineering internship?
ocean gazelle
Has anybody here done an interview for g-research for their software engineering...
g research out?
thought they haven’t released
grand crater
What are the go to study guides? I’m starting process for a couple firms for summer 24 intern
What’s green book?
Lmfao
Other question: how much do referrals help? Got a couple from ML conference
Seems like not really?
low vault
I heard they can help get past screen
stuck kernel
low vault
applied before ppl started spamming referrals
rejected before ppl started spamming referrals
bright nacelle
Not true there are 2 levels of referrals that look indistinguishable from the refereed. The first one is indeed meaningless but the second one is still valuable.
bright nacelle
optiver gives 5k for successful referrals
Honestly stingy TBH previous company payed me 10
bright nacelle
The reason is that people got the log ins 😅
opaque sable
It’s free money
bright nacelle
It’s free money
I guess
opaque sable
bright nacelle
So anyways if someone wants Optiver refal just DM me 😏
azure zenith
DM me and I'll give you Optiver referral AND wish you good luck 😉
azure zenith
Honestly stingy TBH previous company payed me 10
ok but did you have the option to win a Dyson fan
azure zenith
Not true there are 2 levels of referrals that look indistinguishable from the re...
Also true BUT I've noticed by default the link sets it to "Recommend" which is the one that supposedly means something (you have to manually set each person to "Introduce", the meaningless one)
So the people who have applied to the links are all on recommend by default
tulip sapphire
I mean unironically you can be made that shit for quant dev roles
ocean gazelle
80in8 is trading only
opaque sable
too easy to dox me if i say x) but it’s a trading firm
Don’t think I’ve ever heard of that place in my life 😂
eternal phoenix
any resources for the optiver trading OA's?
ocean gazelle
< unemployment
amber yacht
Rip sid left
robust totem
@rose holly
final garden
Can you become a software dev or data scientist?
rose holly
U just need to know how to code to be a swe
ocean mulch
finance related roles
weary path
optiver gives 5k for successful referrals
ive been told its 30k
its 12k in IMC
but u also don't want to be the guy who is spamming referrals.
But indeed HR knows this is an exploit but currently there are no measures against spam.
opaque sable
It’s 5k and it’s not an exploit, hr encourages it
I know a guy with over 300 referrals in like the past 2 weeks
opaque sable
It’s 5k and it’s not an exploit, hr encourages it
Could be different in other offices but I’d be surprised if the difference was THAT much
weary path
but 5k for a fulltime hire is ridiculously low.🤔
potent iron
I know a guy with over 300 referrals in like the past 2 weeks
How did he do it?
Just spamming in discords?
opaque sable
Just spamming in discords?
Yes 🤣
tranquil nova
Thoughts on applying to js as intern even if grad in 2024?
tawny belfry
j put grad as 25
rose holly
What’s kpi?