quants-n-traders

[stoic willow]

Any modern CPP book recommendations?

[rose holly]

tf lol 🤨

[nocturne estuary]

people really didn't get enough love from their parents wow

[rose holly]

im not saying theyre bad roles

whats wrong with wanting a more specific title

[nocturne estuary]

im on left you're on right at the moment

[lost leaf]

[rose holly]

im cool w that tbh lmfaooo

yall haters

[nocturne estuary]

more specific sucks for linkedin relevance

i dont care what my title is im putting swe for reach

i don't even know what my official title is

all faang really is similar

all big tech is similar

[rose holly]

similar but i still dont agree meta = g = zon

idc

[nocturne estuary]

i agree with chae here

i would say similarly for quant firms too probably

day 2 day is not meaningfully different to care about prestige

probably

understandable but mentorship at "bad firm" vs top firm with bad culture?

bad as low top tier like a 2s or im or something

oh yeah fore sure

[rose holly]

dw cooldown is only a year

[nocturne estuary]

what happened to our good friend

core dev = internal app IT support

[lost leaf]

is this cope from no ro

good for resume pad

[scenic bison]

I only want to intern for the rezzy

[lost leaf]

google is top tier resume pad

[scenic bison]

Two sigma the goal no cap

[nocturne estuary]

2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s2s

[scenic bison]

2s new grad or bust

[lost leaf]

mentorship is a skill issue, simply consume a local principal. raw works better

liver kings dont cook

[rose holly]

does 2s still have that 5 day in person policy

stfu lmao

[lost leaf]

absolutely based, i forgot that server was a thing @rose holly

sun trading is such a bad name

im sure he also misses when he had teeth

and working joints

and no back pain

👴

[nocturne estuary]

like imperial japan

[broken thorn]

new one is better ino

imo

minimalist as fuck

[hasty hill]

Is this legit

Bro this looks like sun god worship

[broken thorn]

yesterdays zoroastrainism is todays effective altruism

[gentle meadow]

no shot this is jane street

plz tell me

this isn't true

ok when i get the js offer, it will still look sexy

jk jk

[gentle meadow]

I can refer u after I get rejected

[cyan sparrow]

Anyone know if cit cooldown is real

[nocturne estuary]

How would we know

Like if someone worked as an HR engineer at citadel and coded the if last_application < 1 year then wait

I am pretty sure it is real as well

[runic grotto]

Is the CD for interview failing or also resume screen?

[broken thorn]

is that even a cooldown

if its under a year apart thats basically applying to the same job twice

[nocturne estuary]

Yeah citadel cool down is a year pretty sure

That’s the phrase that gets thrown around

Something like that I dunno

[signal charm]

has anyone recently heard back from Citadel Amplify Trading Challenge?

[floral locust]

Hrt 6 month cooldown

Apply twice same szn 😎

[rose holly]

stop

it was last summer

[rose holly]

yeah everyone who got in was emailed already

[signal charm]

do uk around when did they all hear back like?

[rose holly]

like a week and a half ago or something

its been a while

[signal charm]

someone viewed my profile from cit recently

so confused whether they still viewing apps or not

[rose holly]

they came out early last week

[signal charm]

ik a few who heard back then but all of them got reached out by a recruiter before the apps were out

so thought they were not part of the normal applicants pool

ig it's another rejection then😏

[quasi orbit]

Doesn’t citadel always hire

[royal forge]

Got rejected today 😦

T40, 4.0, faang and quant on resume

Cit hates me

[rose holly]

Try being better next time

[limpid nacelle]

Try harder next time

[cyan sparrow]

Skill issue

[royal forge]

Definitely

[quasi orbit]

my fetus can crack leetcode. I am not sure he needs to be born

[rapid mango]

dude imagine you just make a career of doing job interviews just to leak them haha

My bad, I wasn't talking about you specifically

[quasi orbit]

arent u the guy who got rentech

[rapid mango]

I was thinking theoretically I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes a little hobby out of doing as many tech interviews as possible

then leaking for clout and or personal profit

[quasi orbit]

? why are you deleting messages

[rapid mango]

he thought i was coming for him

he also needs to hide his tracks in cuba

the fbi wants him

lol

[signal charm]

which event? amplify trading challenge?

[runic grotto]

Wdym by data analysis?

[quasi orbit]

system design?

there was coding involved

[formal harbor]

does it make you any more competitive double majoring in applied math w/ cs or is it a waste of time you could be investing in recruiting

[lost leaf]

waste of time

stop trying to become a quant and do a pure math phd instead

buy a cabin in the woods

I go to university of new mexico, cramer school of finance

my advisor is jimothy cramerton

what is ren tec? quant @ mad money

i despise that they modernized the site. ruins the image

old one was so perfect

[final forge]

security yes, how well they are paid, absolutely no fucking idea

[broken thorn]

yuck

it has css now

[quasi orbit]

Has to be paid a lot right

Otherwise HRT will just hack JS codebase

[hasty hill]

[obtuse flame]

Yeah Jane Street cyber pay seems to be similar to SWE

[tulip sapphire]

Lol the hardest company is complete cap, also keep in mind that cuckster and dos_sigmas can be the same person

[fast gazelle]

rentech is around akuna tc I heard

@rose holly can confirm

[tulip sapphire]

Doesn’t make sense to post since individual salaries are personally identifiable

Checks out for base

NYC transparency law is p helpful though

[hasty hill]

[fast gazelle]

@hasty hill can I get mod role

I like the color

[hasty hill]

[broken thorn]

pay isnt crazy but u have the added perk of being allowed to invest in their fund

double it and give it to the next person

breathe c++

[fast gazelle]

yep

[broken thorn]

dfs c++.com
read every c++ textbook

[fast gazelle]

you basically have to know every feature of c++

[broken thorn]

know every new feature from every new version of c,++

[fast gazelle]

I wonder if bjarne would pass

[broken thorn]

interview is like "what feature was added in c++17 that fixed xyz, how would you implement it in c++14 if u had to

i dont know shit but vibes point toward optiver or sig

[fast gazelle]

most are pretty attainable for swe

[hasty hill]

Stupidly cracked or intelligently scuffed

Pick one

[fast gazelle]

stupidly scuffed

good

more money for me

[hasty hill]

2sigma is literally easiest interview in industry

If u cant pass ur not enough of a sigma

Gotta be sigma twice

[fast gazelle]

IMC is easiest I think

[broken thorn]

can i have a two sigms interview pls

i beg

[fast gazelle]

IMC is same question every year

[broken thorn]

sigma balls

[broken thorn]

fir swe ?

[hasty hill]

IMC stands for

I
Must
(Be)
Cracked

[fast gazelle]

dm me for js, hrt, rentech, IMC, sig, optiver, akuna interview questions

[hasty hill]

@broken thorn IBDW new name shoulda been IBDC
I be doin crack

[fast gazelle]

bc they’re Dutch idk

[hasty hill]

I gotchu

[broken thorn]

hits too close cuz he vivansed to the moon and back

[fast gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/free-robux-roblox-roblox-meme-roblox-memes-roblos-gif-24301180

[scenic bison]

pbj acting like he isnt getting interviews from every firm with his offer

[limpid nacelle]

Mr yahkub spending time to help others

Try harder next time

[scenic bison]

nah the intern ik got interviews from those top firms that make you question if thats even a real company

to beeee fairrrr he also did go to t5 but youre probably still chillin your school is also quite up there

[limpid nacelle]

That low

[royal forge]

pretty sure that isn't true

nobody here knows anyone working at rentech 😂

[long raft]

I know Simons 😎

[trim ravine]

I can believe it

it's just that most of the allure of working at Rentech is being able to use the Medallion Fund

which has consistently good returns

but without Medallion Fund comp won't beat your HRT/JS'es I'd reckon

then again nobody really knows 🤷‍♂️

https://www.efinancialcareers.sg/news/finance/pay-renaissance-technologies

this is also not true, there's people on LinkedIn with just bachelors there (albeit they went to HYPSMs)

I've heard of 18-round interview loops for non-PhD holders though

[lost leaf]

thats not tc

thats only base lol

they have had their base up on their website for a while now

im sure the bonus + medallion absolutely eclipses the base, but yeah its probably not as mythical as people say

[limpid nacelle]

18 lmao

[rose holly]

can you delete your account

[dawn frigate]

hello

i missed my big quant interviews (hrt, sig, imc, optiver)

think sig blacklisted me after a bad phone screen

what to do now

[royal forge]

i just looked at 5 ppl and none of them had phd

[trim ravine]

this is from one guy in the csmajors discord

I can't confirm if it's real, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was

[dawn frigate]

means no

I think NGs only get one shot

for ea firm

naw

I think the recruiter doesn't want to look bad either

if it isn't outright firm policy

the first shot is kinda the free pass

[lost leaf]

why are you wazowski-ing?

theres no magic pill to get u an offer from any of those after failing unless your dad is jimothy simonton

[weary path]

swe?

[dawn frigate]

trader except for the first

[weary path]

heavily doubt, the medallion fund is capacity constrained and their other funds didn't do too well, i think they even lost investors.
So any new employees bonus will prolly just be heavily determined by the other funds performance.

I see the appeal of rentec as a mathematician but do not see why someone only interested in SWE would ever want to go to rentec.

[weary path]

Then it doesn't really matter what company you go to, just make sure that the company has people who know what they are doing and how the industry works.
Chasing names is quite useless as a trader, especially if add the variability of different desks at these big companies.

yeah but even in hft its hard to see the appeal. Even if you do an insanely good job you are almost completely reliant on the traders profits. I guess its the same in traditional companies as well

comparatively yes but I dont see it being more interesting than faang.

maybe i have a false image of faang

[floral locust]

Lol

[weary path]

dont think this is even remotely true 😂

in that combination

[limpid nacelle]

Probably a bit

[weary path]

lets make it reality by founding Qoogle

quant-google

[limpid nacelle]

I think if you like solving problems, there are very interesting problems in both industries

Tech and quantitative finance

[weary path]

i like eating food more than solving problems, where do i go?

i can offer solving problems in return for food

[limpid nacelle]

Solving problems in a quant firm leads to usually a better impact/reward than tech

Quant is imo more meritocratic than tech

On average*

[weary path]

join qoogle

we just make ML models to predict what fund will do the worst and do the opposite of what they are doing

[limpid nacelle]

You are going to get screwed by execution costs and slipperage

[weary path]

dk how many trades these huge hedgefunds do on a daily basis

[limpid nacelle]

Btw, most quant firms provide free food

You probably just got unlucky with imc zug

[weary path]

only have dinner 😦

[limpid nacelle]

Dinner lmao

I'm wondering why

[weary path]

i cant think of a single reason

at least there is unlimited bier

color quite nice ngl

[limpid nacelle]

What color? It's a gradient

[scenic bison]

gradient W

[royal forge]

Agree

Or flow

[rose holly]

become a pm

[ornate solstice]

Ye

best emote

[marsh flower]

Did Akuna actually rescind intern?

[formal harbor]

does anyone know difficulty for 2s OA for college mentor connect

[summer stratus]

had Bloomberg q&a at uni earlier today, ppl be asking really stupid questions. This major is doomed 😭

[runic grotto]

What kind of questions

[obtuse flame]

We need the sauce

[summer stratus]

one of it was, word for word: "hi recruiter, how does bloomberg filter through resumes as most big companies filter through resumes and cause our resume will not going through the recruiters?"

"hi, are u still hiring?" "yes, we hire all year round" "i just check [link] it does not currently list any recent graduate swe roles, are applications closed? and if i apply by june will i be hired?"

some guy asked "is referrals better, if yes how?" literally 1 question after someone else asked the exact question

[runic grotto]

💀💀💀💀💀

[summer stratus]

"how long does it usually take between filter and first recruiter call?"

[hasty hill]

yeah it sucks when the questions can be verified by google or are literally insane hypotheticals like

"if i was 6ft would life be diff for me"

[summer stratus]

and 5 people asked like variations of the same questions, i could feel the recruiters irking when they were like "yeah, so like we mentioned before, we're looking at ....."

oh, and my fav. "how often are entry level swe jobs posted and are they posted at specific times every year or does bb hire around the year?" literally after someone asked if they hire NG and they responded yes, we hire on rolling basis

[summer stratus]

the worst part is that it feels like they're not even listening to the answers lol

[broken thorn]

if i was .75 inches shorter would lfie be diff for me

[summer stratus]

ikr, i feel like if the questions were things like headcount capacity, how are they using certain tech or learning more about whether they have discovery events, etc. seems more valid

[summer stratus]

sadly, it's day and night for a 6' vs 5'11"

hahaha, someone did ask abt that

they were like "uhh we're hybrid, 2 days in 3 days out. we see mike bb in the elevators sometimes!"

[final forge]

Ask eng for wlb if u want real answers, I think I asked this to almost every eng I’ve talked to

I have learned to weigh this more going forward lmaoo

[summer stratus]

do eng recruiters count?

[final forge]

if you trust them, which you generally probably shouldn’t

Their job isn’t the same as eng so it’s not like they have first hand experience even if they are trying to be honest

[summer stratus]

yeah, true

[summer stratus]

i was talking to my trader interviewer who was in his first year for qt once, and asked him abt wlb. he was like "yeah we're pretty relaxed". that was probably the biggest pinch of salt I ever pinched.

[final forge]

that sounds relative

depending on vibes I straight up ask em hours they work

[summer stratus]

thats very straightforward

[final forge]

though there is team dependent factors

[summer stratus]

as in, consistently 40? 😮

[final forge]

Well I’ve never met someone who said they didn’t have occasional crunch weeks. And I’d feel like they’re lying if they said it never happened

swe at trading firm

[summer stratus]

i always had the preconceived notion that swe is 40 average

[final forge]

Ok wait not entirely true, I could see some boomer places have almost always 40

[final forge]

yessnt. this will vary by company/team culture. honestly probably isnt that common in trading.

[summer stratus]

closer to 50 for trading?

[final forge]

id say I average 45

[summer stratus]

icic

[final forge]

I’ve def heard of people doing much worse/people on my team do much worse lmao

[summer stratus]

have you worked in big tech swe before?

[final forge]

And no not FT

[summer stratus]

quants are clocking out before them lmao

[broken thorn]

good thing im 6'0.75

[summer stratus]

so they do clock out before the 50+ hours guys, damn. talk abt wlb

actual grinders

@final forge i look like a schizo talking to myself

[final forge]

I’m not getting outed irl sorry buckeroo

[summer stratus]

fair enough

[fast gazelle]

[marsh flower]

Yh cuz you’re higher up

[west radish]

lecture videos are locked to CMU students. Do you know if they are hosted anywhere else or if they are shared publicly?

thanks!

[final forge]

wait does does cmu have a good compilers course? 👀

university gapped once again maybe I shall return to school

lol

burnout real

[broken thorn]

gradescope is evil

piazza is the wrost one tho

[broken thorn]

they mark questions as u answered when u don't manually map each page of pdf to eacj problem

[fast gazelle]

skill issue

I’ve never had issues with gradescope

[tulip sapphire]

are you okay? your spelling is a bit off but assuming you meant unanswered then yes that is intentional as the grader shouldnt have to look for your answer which takes all of a minute to select

[fast gazelle]

yea all my classes require marking pages

some will just give you a 0 if you mess up (and it's not regradeable)

[broken thorn]

can i round a 3.491 to a 3.5

hypothetically

[solar axle]

You guys help with interview questions here?

[rancid spoke]

how’s belvedere trading

[dawn frigate]

anyone apply to OMC recently for SW

wow you're one of those that tormented me

[royal forge]

we have a discord if you’ve accepted

[floral locust]

Their oa seems fun

[royal forge]

sanitary work*

[dawn frigate]

how long was apply -> oa

[fast gazelle]

I always round to the nearest int

so 3 in this case

[gentle meadow]

Nah u round to the nearest tens

so 0 in this case

[dawn frigate]

also are ppl actually getting replies from rentech

that's nuts

[rapid cargo]

i found a Linear Alg discord study group server if anyone interested

they are going thru a textbook and associated online lectures and talking about it

just starting this week

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34643976

sebg

Tell HN: Linear Algebra Study Group (Strang's book) starting next week

Hi Friends - starting a Linear Algebra Study Group (Strang's book) starting next week on discord. Let me know if you want to join :)

Hacker News · Feb 3, 2023, 5:02 PM

[static musk]

the interviews are just impossible though

[dawn frigate]

I wonder what's the ceiling contribution in medallion for employees

[dawn frigate]

ft

[queen palm]

Is that ken

[dawn frigate]

lol it's actually named that

150m and u get the adcom office named after you

nice

[queen palm]

Why he look like timothee chalamet tho

[split lintel]

he pretty

[obtuse flame]

Good school

[rapid cargo]

anyone thoughts?

[barren steeple]

i thikn it is

[violet glen]

this website is hilarious af

the rankings change like every day

[weak scroll]

I legitimately think it’s a troll website

Or that the way they calculate prestige from user feedback is too flawed

Also it’s just toxic lol

[broken thorn]

gonna pull a goku for a moment

🤨

[split lintel]

What u mean?

[broken thorn]

this concludes my goku arc

[weary path]

😂😂😂this is hilarious but UI is nice

[quasi orbit]

jump trading is 3rd...so you know who it is

[thorny gate]

and roblox went from top 10 to like 30 in a couple weeks

[limpid nacelle]

Another philosopher

[broken thorn]

depraved lmfao

[limpid nacelle]

Can you actually speak?

Maybe you should practice

Communication is like LC

It's trainable

[runic grotto]

too many words

⚰️

No not to put in discord

Just reading it

Too taxing

Don't expose me like that

[broken thorn]

mine is the deepest

[broken thorn]

now look at my username (not my nickname)

[runic grotto]

Tf

Nah man that's just proof that r/csmajors is 🚮

Downvoted 😂

[runic grotto]

[obtuse flame]

Akuna intern rescind https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/10vjcp2/akuna_capital_intern_offers_rescinded/

[queen palm]

Bruh damn

Seems like they did layoffs recently

[obtuse flame]

They rescinded ng SWE offers and laid off SWE and IT ppl so I wouldn’t be surprised, only source for now

Only Akuna afaik

It’s internal politics too so kinda an edge case

[leaden temple]

Anybody read this book before?

[novel python]

anyone know anything about jpmc quant interviews

[dawn frigate]

yes learn to front-run clients

jk

[prime arch]

why do you ask?

[floral locust]

Yea it’s p good

U should also check out Dynamic Markov Bridges and Market Microstructure

[leaden temple]

anyone know if possible to go from full time faang swe to trader

[nocturne estuary]

Harder than the other way around for sure

Pretty sure they don’t care though as long as you pass the rounds

[leaden temple]

they probably prefer to hire from intern class though right

[nocturne estuary]

Yeah probably but it’s not impossible I guess

I’m pretty sure internships have awful RO rates

For trading

[nocturne estuary]

From what I’ve heard yeah sometimes I feel like it’s very profit dependent at some firms especially when compared to SWE roles

[gentle meadow]

i know ppl who didn't get returns at hrt and cit

so it depends on the firm

low tier firms have usually a higher return rate

[limpid nacelle]

How does your statement invalidate that 50-80% of trader interns get a return offers?

[gentle meadow]

i thought he was referring to swe lol

i didn't read above

my b

im certified dumbass

even then

my sample size is quite small

so it might be more or less as well

[limpid nacelle]

No worries chimi

I was also a bit messing with you

[gentle meadow]

all good homie

all firms are low tier firms

therefore, drop out and trade penny stocks

[broken thorn]

efficient algorithm to find correct point in 2d plane if you only get a function that returns roughly how close you are (think warmer vs colder)

all you get is a single number for closeness though, and you dont even know if the number is good or not until you find higher or lower numbers from guessing other points

sounds bayes related tbh

[fast mountain]

Gradient descent
Approx the gradient using some numerical method

[broken thorn]

doesnt this require knowing the function

gradient ascent requires knowing the entire function so u can do derivatives, right?

binary search just requires knowing a comparator

[runic grotto]

You can do it with approximations

Accurate ones though

[broken thorn]

log sqrt n jfc

true

[broken thorn]

i wonder how you preprocess a graph to know what the neighbors are

oh ye that makes it much easier

simply normalize the graph into being integer coords

@split lintel can we have some sort of galaxy brain or 5head emoji added

for when my idea overflows back into being stupid

[broken thorn]

but dont you need a derivative for gradiaent descent? or is there a discrete version of it?

(discrete being the points are disctrete, the coordinates are not discrete)

how to find neighbors

thats assuming we can input any points into func

the domain of the func is only the points given

im not a math major sorry

[runic grotto]

[broken thorn]

a bunch of x,y coords with a value of how close they are to the correct answer

im sorry did i contradict myself

brute force is o(n) where n is the points, cuz you can pick a random point and then calc distance from every other point, then check all the correct distances

can we be faster?

[runic grotto]

[barren steeple]

anyone hear back from deshaw fellowshio thing

[broken thorn]

oh wait thats cuz my original question gave a "closeness" number and we ddint know how close that was right

so we didnt start with a list of all points?

is that what u thought i meant

what if we got a "closeness" number like this:
we know there is a maximum value for being the correct point, and a minimum value for farthest point, and the function is always positive derivitive

where closer is ALWAYS higher, we just dont necessarily know

[broken thorn]

i did encounter

but the "closeness function" is my eyes seeing how red something is

basically sporcle had this "find the element" quiz where you guess periodic table elements and it tells you how close on the periodic table to the correct element it is by being redder the closer u are

so this is me doing the algorithm in my head rather than coding it, kind of like this stack overflow post

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14415881/how-can-i-pair-socks-from-a-pile-efficiently

im color blind

[runic grotto]

[broken thorn]

gg

[proven steeple]

Does anyone know anything about the comp at G Research, GSA Capital, Squarepoint.... Was wondering about Europe based funds.
Also I know SQP let's you invest in the fund does G research and GSA as well?

[proven steeple]

Either Entry level and experienced QR and QD

[weary path]

new grad QR is 200£ base at GR, bonus on top

[limpid nacelle]

Really?

Dang

[proven steeple]

Thanks, I know base numbers, but looking to get a sense of bonus ranges: entry level, 2-3 yr, and 5+ if anyone has heard anything. Also, what, if any, portion is deferred? (is deferred invested back into fund?). Can you co-invest if you choose? Lock-in on deferred, etc

[limpid nacelle]

Do you have offers from these firms?

[weary path]

yeah i think they even publicly advertise this, at least they do that heavily in their talks

[limpid nacelle]

I'm wondering why

[weary path]

afaik GR is a family office so dont think employees can invest. No clue about bonus numbers 🤷🏽‍♀️

[weary path]

cant think if a single good reason 🤔

[limpid nacelle]

One of my colleague got locked in the Interviewing room when interviewing with G research

[proven steeple]

Competing with these firms actually. Making sure my clients in UK stay competitive

[weary path]

😂😂 but ive been told their process is “fair” whatever that means

[limpid nacelle]

Before entering and leaving the building, you are weighted

[proven steeple]

Their non competes are super sticky. I just recently placed someone out of there

[weary path]

our of GR? one guy we hired had to wait 2 years cuz of the GR noncompete

[weary path]

how did you bypass this 😭

[real laurel]

hi...can you add me to this please!!

[proven steeple]

They enforce it for most people and yes that person had to wait 2 years lol'

[limpid nacelle]

2yrs

Lmao

[weary path]

too crazy man 😂 did he have an offer and then waited two years or did he take the plunge before securing any offers?

[weary path]

bog you should ask Google if they have a non-compete that allows you to still get food at their canteen

[proven steeple]

IMC hired a G Research person? QR or QD?

[proven steeple]

Had an offer than waited 2 years lol

[weary path]

he was let go a while ago, he was a qr

[weary path]

ah nice

[proven steeple]

He was let go from G Research or IMC?

[weary path]

actually idk, all i know is that he came from GR and had to wait 2yrs and was gone before i could meet him.

[limpid nacelle]

My guy is chasing the garden leaves

[weary path]

now that you mention it 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[proven steeple]

LOL never well maybe sometimes haha

Nah, most of the people I place I pull from competitors or tech. My clients only hire the best.

[rapid cargo]

https://discord.gg/H2XtrJDN

[limpid nacelle]

G doesn't enforce non compete I think. Maybe for special roles like AI engineers

[proven steeple]

They definitely do

[weary path]

ask them man, tell them to include the lunch

[limpid nacelle]

I meant G doesn't have non compete periods

For regular SWEs

But for other types of non compete. G will enforce I agree

[long raft]

“Highly competitive compensation plus annual discretionary bonus” is always written on their website 😂

But have to admit the “Lunch provided (via Just Eat for Business) and dedicated barista bar” is the best selling point 🫡 finding good lunch is so hard 🥲

[alpine needle]

does anyone know the imc return rate for qt?

[long raft]

Yeah totally get you! You save the time running around searching for a good spot to eat. You have a balanced meal instead of just junk food. And it makes you happy 😂

[static musk]

y’all spend $20 a lunch ??

[weary path]

yes 🤔

[runic grotto]

What do you get for $20?

[broken thorn]

you cant put a price on free food

[weary path]

usually asian

[runic grotto]

Ah

Are you in HCOL?

[weary path]

yeah i guess

[runic grotto]

That makes a little more sense ig

[cyan sparrow]

I’m starting my own too

LeGoatTrading

[tulip sapphire]

It’s so sad

I guess I made the right decision in not considering my akuna offer xd

[broken thorn]

this name goes hard

[quasi orbit]

so ur saying if i say i have radix offer i will get a bunch of simps

[runic grotto]

What do they ask 💀

😂

[rapid cargo]

also curious

[runic grotto]

Human equivalent of ddos attack

Yo lowkey if we wanted to annoy someone a lot, we could process an offer for them and mention their discord tag

[nocturne estuary]

Hypothetically if there was a radix simp

What would he be like

Would he ignore everyone’s advice and apply to no name firms

Quant rizz is real this is proof

[nocturne estuary]

Guys by the way did you know that Ken Wins from breaking bad is actually Ken Griffin

[runic grotto]

Nah sushi got internships but got banned for trolling. I think the particular incident was when they said Amazon was rescinding interns

Now that I think of it, there are near 0 active people in the server that have not landed internships at a big N tech/quant company

💀

Yeah they do

Ig it's an information gap

I agree it's insane

I also made that assumption

But I suppose it might not always hold

[barren steeple]

i mean no tech company is rigorous

they test basic udnerstanding of data strtuctures

thats it

no algos nothing

[fast mountain]

Just base?

P cool how just the base at top quant firms beats FAANG
Makes it way easier to pick them

[barren steeple]

they dont test REAL algos

bfs is not an algo

its an intuitive concepts

same with everything big tech asks

occasionaly might need djikstras or prims

but realllyunlikelyl

[ornate solstice]

Hating on lc interviews again?

[broken thorn]

@small owl semi related to earlier convo, in algo class today we learned how to find shortest distance between any two points in any dimensionality in nlogn time

the points can be floats

because you can actually combine subproblems in linear time even if dimensions are larger

for 2d do by pre sorting by the second dimension (y) and then ONLY checking 7 points closest by the y value, insanely cool proof for why its always 7

sorry not binary search, finding smallest distance betwen two points

http://people.csail.mit.edu/indyk/6.838-old/handouts/lec17.pdf

pigeonhole principle narrows it down to 11 or 7 depending on how smart you want it to be

still linear time to compare all possible points tho, which should be n^2 if brute force

[broken thorn]

its divide and conquer

its faster than n^2

nlogn

combine subproblems by setting d=min(prob1,prob2), then find all points less than d away from center line between two subproblems

then compare all possible points between them that can be shorter

[broken thorn]

the craziest part is getting the single point comparison down to constant time with pigeonhole principle, make a grid of d/2*d/2 squares and ruling out 7 points on the opposite subproblem above and below guarantees no shorter pair in the combining step

[nocturne estuary]

I’ve been getting lots of headhunters on LinkedIn

Is it good to connect and speak with them

[nocturne estuary]

But what do they really do I dunno it is scary

[hallow shoal]

I think they just reach out and be like

they wanna help place for NG right?

[nocturne estuary]

Yeah but why

What is in it for them

[broken thorn]

company pays them a fraction of ur salary as bonus (doesnt come out of your paycheck), the bonus woudl normally have gone to a recruiter at the company itself

[weary path]

bit of a waste of time if you are NG in a target school. But might be beneficial later, at least i hope 😅

[runic grotto]

Why is it a waste of time if you're a NG at a target? Cuz you can directly apply?

[weary path]

yeah

[eternal python]

Did anyone do the Akuna Capital math assessment on HackerRank?

[broken thorn]

how so

they have the same goal as you, no?

get u the highest pauying job

[weary path]

*get the job with the highest payout for headhunter referrals

Take Optiver for example, their referral is ridiculously high. I think even highest in the industry

[floral locust]

Wot

[barren steeple]

but direct apply is like u may or may not hear back, versus hh is a gaurentee you hear back + anywyas the offer you end up getting is the same pretty much

and the hh is probably helpful to help u get a higher offer

[eternal python]

Did anyone do the Akuna Capital math assessment on HackerRank?

[vague sentinel]

🤦‍♂️

😭How many people wtf that's so garbage

[weary path]

agreed i was assuming most at target schools pass the cv screen, i may be mistaken

[long raft]

Using every possible move to land a job in this market 🥲

[floral locust]

Certain shops don’t have a built out recruiting system

Idk like spark, tgs, and other small places

[long raft]

Does spark have a website? Never heard of them

The only spark I know is the open source project for big data processing / ml 😂

[quasi orbit]

I know a guy who got reached out but he is like imo

What’s the lowest bar then

For qr or swe

bruh

Ur sentence should’ve been “me and some people I interned with got reached out”

[proven steeple]

Facts... HH do this all day for a living and these firms understand that. They know the HH is not going to send them scrubs to waste everyone's time.

[opal cargo]

What’s imo?

[storm ember]

international math olympiad, in my opinion

[opal cargo]

Got it

[proven steeple]

There are some really established search firms that work very closely with these firms. We placed the Head of research at TGS, the president of Cubist, Head of ML at Worldquant, and the list goes on.... These are very long established relationships. We help them hire their best people.

[opal cargo]

Can freelance headhunters help freelance developers?

[proven steeple]

I work very closely with TGS and can make intros there as well as others top firms.

I work with Spark too. Their team was at my office literally last Thursday.

They work with search firms that are good at what they do. We are the only firm that do research projects with TGS. They don't trust any other firms,

[summer stratus]

wish i didn't get skill gapped with 0 awards 💀

[long raft]

Are there any quant firms out there that have their own super computers or at least access to one? Are there even use cases that justify the cost?

I just got access to a Nvidia a100 for my masters thesis and it was so fast 😍 can’t imagine going back to my crappy laptop 😂

[static musk]

some firms have their own HPC clusters

[long raft]

Do you by any chance have names and know for what they use them for? (The only thing that comes to my mind is maybe training of models or simulations)

[limpid nacelle]

I've seen a UK firm having 6k GPUs

[long raft]

Yeah I remember that from xtx

[limpid nacelle]

Signals mining

[floral locust]

Xtx made a lot of money

They rly like dl

[limpid nacelle]

300B aum

[floral locust]

aum isn’t rly a good signal, there are articles that directly say how much they made in 2022 tho

Everyone’s levered anyways

And certain strategies u can lever a ton more than others

Like any currency trade probably has roi below 1% relative to aum

[limpid nacelle]

I agree aum is not perfect. But it's great to estimates profits per employee

If you have at least 10% return, you probably have at least 10B of net profits for the firm

/ ~300 employees

[floral locust]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-06/xtx-markets-founder-alex-gerko-builds-6-billion-fortune-on-trading-boom

[floral locust]

10% roi when levered implies like >100% roi in ur own capital lol

[long raft]

It would be super interesting to see benchmarks on their system. Like I took few HPC courses and read a lot of the theory but seeing this in reality is mind blowing 😂

[limpid nacelle]

I mean on the aum

Or did I misunderstand

[floral locust]

10bil lol

[limpid nacelle]

[floral locust]

I would assume Xtx is prop lol

[limpid nacelle]

What matters is the final capital you have not leveraged

[floral locust]

So aum is just how much they’re levered by

10% roi is extremely high for the trades they do tho

It’s like .33% roi which is still very good

[limpid nacelle]

I think you are right

[limpid nacelle]

.33 or 33%, not .33% tho

[floral locust]

No, like their trading strategies have roi of .33%

They lever up

Which directly multiples roi

If u like factor in borrowing costs or w/e

So maybe non borrowing roi like 2% or w/e and then u lever up 100% and borrowing fees bring down roi to like .33%

[static musk]

i know Tower has one

idk what they use them for though

[limpid nacelle]

2% yearly roi on unleveraged capital?

That seems low

[floral locust]

Fx and equities trading has low roi

They have good sharpe tho

So u get good rates when u borrow for these trades

[limpid nacelle]

Depends on your strategy

[floral locust]

Idk

I think the vast majority of players are getting the same order of magnitude of edge per trade in these spaces

Like fx each trade ur avg edge is in pbs lol

So 1/10000 percentage points

Or 1/1million in terms of notional

[limpid nacelle]

Again, depends on what equity/FX and related derivatives you trade + your strategy

[floral locust]

I don’t rly agree small hft centered shops don’t rly focus on LL options and all hfts in equities and fx space have more or less all have the same strategies and edges but w/e agree to disagree

[limpid nacelle]

I'm not talking specifically of HFT firms but more of quant firms in general

Where you could do for example startarb, ML trading

[floral locust]

Yes I didn’t think I conveyed any negative connotation

Like ur allowed to lever up so much cause ur trade’s risk is very low

Similarly you could have a trade that generates greater roi but typically brings with it higher var, meaning you’re not able to lever up as much

[tulip tinsel]

Does anyone at quant leave the office at 3?

[obtuse flame]

You don’t go to quant for WLB lol

[tulip tinsel]

Exactly

@floral locust @half ginkgo cc

Yes they are nerds

No

I’ve never met Yahkub in person so maybe

[fast gazelle]

they’re not

one is cooler than the other

[weary path]

bro gresearch pays like half of icelands energy bill (obviously exaggerating). They and XTX have one of the biggest clusters ive heard about

[storm ember]

how fun is the work?

[storm ember]

i would inquire into what you personally find fun about it

so, what do you personally find fun about quant work?

[limpid nacelle]

It's not about fun. I would say the work at a quant firm is equally fun as the work at another company (on average).
Why some people like this field is because it's one of the most meritocratic and the ratio monetary reward/effort is one of the best.

[broken thorn]

quant swe is normal

but quant quant can range feom boring to super interesting

[storm ember]

if we expand fun to capture other positive indicators of wellbeing such as spending a larger proportion of your time in flow, or a sense of accomplishment

does quant work in your experience perform well with respect to these metrics?

[broken thorn]

i like that metric

percent of lifetime in flow state = only well being metric

[limpid nacelle]

Compared to what?

If we compare being a quant trader/dev to being a swe at a random company, I would say working as a quant will have a better sense of accomplishment

In terms of WLB, it will be worse for sure

By how much tho, it depends on how efficient, mentally and physically strong you are

Don't forget you could retire very early

[vague sentinel]

[storm ember]

there is little evidence to suggest that early retirement is desirable as far as long term satisfaction goes

so it isnt a factor i consider in my decision making process

different people of course value different things however. its still nice to hear about other peoples experiences despite them not necessarily being compatible with my system

[final forge]

I’d hazard a guess and say extremely dependent on your team/company culture and current tasks, at least as a trading swe

sometimes my tasks are neat sometimes they’re boring af

And then there’s just organizational overheads and stuff like that which are annoying

[tulip tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-work-gif-18382095

[hasty hill]

Yeah now that i’m working fulltime i actually really like that metric. If you theoretically spent all 8 hours in flow state that feels amazing

Work that puts you in flow state requires brain cells but that’s how your day flies by and probably means your work is interesting

[hasty hill]

I’m not a hyper FIRE gremlin either but if you’re even considering quant (the highest TC ceiling), how is early retirement not a factor? You’re optimizing along 2 axes i guess, which is 1) how to make most money 2) while being tolerable work

But in ur case u bumped #2 up in priority so it’s - how to max out feeling good at work, then respectively max out money

[limpid nacelle]

How is the happyness grind going?

[weary path]

I would say most quants i know don't really consider early retirement, also wouldn't say they are hyper-optimising to make the most money for themselves

[broken thorn]

ngl i feel so bad for ppl where its a grind

[weary path]

but maybe culture in the US is different?

[broken thorn]

i think it mgith be ego too big or something but im fine even when i should be unhappy

[weary path]

wait do you work at Jump?

[limpid nacelle]

Why?

[limpid nacelle]

Meta

[broken thorn]

focusing on being happy takes mental energy away from everything else

[limpid nacelle]

Why would it take energy from everything else?

Trying to be as happy as possible takes energy yes

[broken thorn]

if it takes effort to be happy for one person and the other person is naturally happy thats fucked up

for the first person

[hasty hill]

welcome to mental illness

[limpid nacelle]

Happyness is not a binary state

[weary path]

float?

[hasty hill]

but 30 years of knowing yahkub is better than 80 without ever knowing yahkub

.

[hasty hill]

yeah because the money for quant or swe at quant in US is like uhhh its own tier

i'm not a quant simp but i have seen those numbers and it's mind boggling

[limpid nacelle]

More like a u8

[final forge]

Based champ

I can finally be the first of my friends to do something

[storm ember]

i optimize for a life well lived and longterm satisfaction. in practice this means balancing axes of development conducive to raising my baseline emotional wellbeing and lowering the impact of uncertainties and setbacks

income in excess of what's needed for stable growth, modest savings, and achieving the rest of my development needs; means relatively little to me.

since that income threshold is attainable virtually anywhere you work in tech, it becomes more a matter of finding meaningful, fulfilling work and relationships

it just so happens that i'm mathematically inclined, which is how quantitative fields ended up on my radar

[hasty hill]

That’s a lot of big words for you just wanna have your cake and eat it too. You want good money and good wlb and want it to be sustainable. So when you come here and basically ask if quant wlb is good then people will give u simple answers cuz it’s a simple question, but now u gave us a mountain of context for your personal thresholds/priorities so uhh idk what to say except yeah some people hate working there and some dont, and some dont mind the money and some love it

[broken thorn]

i want big money

video game high score

[hasty hill]

I think the only real insight i could give u is that there’s no natural law of any universe that says excess of money necessarily means compromises in other areas

There could very well be workplaces that let you have ur cake and eat it too

[broken thorn]

faang

twitter pre musk

two sugma

[storm ember]

you asked a question of how early retirement isnt a factor in my decision making process. i answered it.

i wasnt looking for insights, i was looking for reports of other people's lived experiences

im gathering information from people who work as quants, their thoughts on how fulfilling they find their work to be

[weary path]

i've observed the opposite and that the ones with egos cant back it up., but also small sample

ok im also confused then

lets agree to agree

[limpid nacelle]

If you have the opportunity to work as a quant, maybe give it a shot and experience it yourself

If you don't like it, you can always quit

It's not a lifetime decision

[limpid nacelle]

Do you have ego?

[weary path]

no ego and no backup 😭

[limpid nacelle]

Why?

My Quant and eth Chad

[weary path]

No merch to flex with, so no ego 😔

[limpid nacelle]

No IMC merch?

Dang

[weary path]

soon im getting my shoes

[limpid nacelle]

Imc shoes

Lmao

[last herald]

I have an imc bucket hat

incredible assortment of merch

cannot wait for my imc shoes and my imc socks

[limpid nacelle]

I have an hrt bucket hat

Thanks to @fickle latch

And 4 hrt shirts

[weary path]

😍

[weary path]

willing to trade 4 socks for bucket hat

[weary path]

only have one shirt and one hoodie 😦

[limpid nacelle]

Take a pic

And post it

[weary path]

of hoodie?

[limpid nacelle]

Your quant merch outfit

[weary path]

soon once i have the shoes 🙏🏾

then will also pose with google z tshirt 🙏🏾

[broken thorn]

i have talked to some of them and they all mostly say its normal swe work just

i am not

notice the first two words in my nickname

[hasty hill]

@broken thorn vote
🍌 code monke
🐍 script kiddie
💼 quant daddie

[rose holly]

yo

who ping

[tulip sapphire]

I would say the work at a quant firm is equally fun as the work at another company
i think there is clearly an argument to be made for it being more fun to be working on a product that people will actually use

most people who go into CS (who arent in it for money) really care about making cool products with technology

and while you can definitely work on super cool trading algorithms (not even core but also processing optimizations), you definitely lose out on the aspect of having people who use your product (instead youre more like tech support for quants)

personally i think that's why quant swe roles pay more than big tech: to make up for the loss of making stuff for users when competing with top talent with big tech

it's diff when it's sth you would actually use

[tulip sapphire]

yeah but unlike quant, SRE and devops dont need top talent so they dont see the high salaries that follow

and are often grouped with IT at tech companies

the former is creating new stuff, the latter is moreso maintaining

if youre maintaining stuff then you probably arent going to be doing anything cool

otherwise yeah you can be doing cool stuff

[limpid nacelle]

It is not a clear argument imo.
I know many people (including me) that mostly care about solving interesting problems and much less about working on a "massively customer facing" product. There are as many interesting problems in algotrading than tech and the feedback loop is usually shorter in algotrading.

Infra engineering as a swe is one of the most interesting area imo, trading or not

Being able to handle billions of users on a platform at a tech firm or transactions in nanoseconds at an hft firm sounds interesting to me. But at the end, it's team and company dependant, that's why I'm saying it's equally fun

[floral locust]

I enjoy building dashboards and cleaning data @rose holly

[final forge]

tx in nanos that's a good one if you're software side

[floral locust]

Srry at work rn can’t talk

[final forge]

this industry was a mistake

we should return to bartering

[weary path]

agreed, more arb there

[floral locust]

Csgo skin trading

Why trade for bps when you can trade for %s in those markets

[final forge]

I mean in tf2 trading there were market makers

forgot what it was called but they literally bought and sold whatever items had a somewhat legitimate price

right scrap.tf

anyway if you're like a teenager with liquidity, brains, and programming skills, somehow becoming a virtual hat/gun salesman sounds like not the highest EV play

[dapper iris]

depends if u had the right skillset at the right time being in the skins market was freelo

[floral locust]

It also was not a fair marketplace since market participants weren’t nameless like orders on an exchange

So reputable parties just got to do all the volume compared to non reputable ones

[final forge]

Yea idk how big csgo was/is. I only knew the dying tf2 scene lol

[weary path]

csgo betting was the place to be! most liquid market to date

[neat junco]

Anyone interviewing with cubist rn?

For ng

Having some concerns about their process

[fast mountain]

Scrap.tf was awesome

It was a proper exchange

[barren steeple]

i did for fall internship

[last herald]

Is Cubist's fall internship app still open?

[floral locust]

Cubist

[winged aurora]

i interviewed with cubist before few months back for some data team

but i got some bad vibes from the interviewers

[neat junco]

I see. Which team and position is that?

Is this for quant developer

[static musk]

could u elaborate?

[broken thorn]

banks are insured right

for like a few hundred k

but what if ur mega rich

isnt it optimal to make thousands of bank accounts so u are insured for all of ig

[winged aurora]

its the data team as dev for data toolings & databases

but the ppl were just giving condescending remarks throughout the interviews

lol

[broken thorn]

ye thats morw realistid

still do they rly have like 200 accounts just for insurance purposes

[prisma scroll]

theres some companies that maximize bank insurance which likely those ppl would use

MaxSafe is one

[neat junco]

lolll i think same thing happened to me for p72 teams

[tulip tinsel]

They probably hold it in government bonds

Or wealth management through a large bank or hedge fund

(Who probably hold any cash percentage in US government bonds)

That’s basically money

[obtuse flame]

A dude rejected Jane Street for radix trading trader intern, wonder the reason behind it outside of radix being more exclusive, not much info on radix and the little info I found say they aren’t top top

literally just a reddit comment talking about their pay so disregard that lol

they're just too secretive

their hiring is interesting, looking at linkedin some full time hires don't have prev quant exp/isn't from super target school

ah ya quant tech, they're mainly ops?

rippp

Some profiles:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/franklin-zhang-929166125/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/leonvortmeyer/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sai-chintalapati/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/avery-whitaker-7b470a46/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-pan-/

these ppl aren't really THAT cracked

QR intern that isn't super cracked: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkokra/

so i think you have a shot

at least their prev exp is not the worst to get lmao

for direct ng hire it still feels not bad?

like js and hrt are mainly intern returns

but radix does so many external ng hires

yeah rice is a target somehow lmao

they're great don't get me wrong

but not quant target

this year hrt didn't hire many ng compared to past

js is like <10 in the past years

same

what i heard too

how so? 🍵

oh rip i wonder why they acquired them then

yeah wouldn't be surprised

also big W for ppl who joined sun trading for 6 months and then the firm got acquired by hrt lmao

easy pipeline

[weary path]

this is not really a metric i would consider, there is no obvious benefit a phd would provide in HFT, although one could possibly argue otherwise in more longterm quant funds.

[long raft]

Does someone know how to add/announce a future position to LinkedIn? 😂
I have seen people doing that but LinkedIn doesn’t allow me to add a job I will start in few months

[trim ravine]

people usually just add "Incoming <Position> at <Company>" with the current month as a start date

[long raft]

Oh you mean as Slogan or as an actual Job?

[trim ravine]

either or both

[long raft]

Ok thx! 🙂

[short patio]

My friend got an interview at Radix, probably harder to pass interview than get the interview (assuming you have big N or other quant firms you probably get an interview)

[floral locust]

Radix doesn’t rly care that much about past exp, they do value research tho

There does exist a transcript and references screen that is nontrivial to pass halfway through the internship similar to other academic shops like Shaw

[short patio]

need a high gpa and prevoius job references?

[radiant rivet]

hihi id love to connect w people who got in to jane street fttp

[broken thorn]

have yall EVER seen "not enough information given" be the correct answer to any multiple choice ever in any context?

[opaque sable]

yes

i've seen it a few times with those "john is taller than mary etc etc" and then the question is "is mary taller than george" or something

[vague sentinel]

No

[broken thorn]

interesting, definitely makes sense there

if i were a professor i would mix a few of them in every semester so you couldnt get any more guessing ev than you deserve

[timber fiber]

you can get so much ev if you know how to guess properly

sometimes there are questions like:
A/B/C D/E/F G/H/I
A F G
B D I
B F H
C E H

option C will be right 80% of the time

because they don't want you to be able to get the correct answer just by knowing one of the three questions

so look for the one where all the choices are repeated somewhere else

[broken thorn]

i dont understand what this matrix means

[timber fiber]

three subquestions with three choices each

like the question is :
What happens to reaction A when X is added: it speeds up; it slows down; nothing
What happens to reaction B when Y is added: it speeds up; it slows down; nothing
What happens to reaction C when Z is added: it speeds up; it slows down; nothing

And then the choices are:

1. speeds up; nothing; speeds up
2. slows down; speeds up; nothing
3. slows down; nothing; slows down
4. nothing; slows down; slows down

[broken thorn]

yeah that makes a ton of sense

also jsut rhe classic
a: 15
b: 4.6
c: 4.6*10^-6
d: -5

its b 80% of the time

[timber fiber]

yeah

[broken thorn]

that ones very commonly known tho

urs can be guessed as c by the same greedy algo tho

"guess the soln most like the others"

[fair yew]

some of these people interviewed me and they are for sure cracked.

[broken thorn]

its shares 1 in common with all other answers

[timber fiber]

also whenever an answer seems a lot vaguer/less specific than the others it won't be right

the teacher just ran out of ideas for another wrong answer

another thing in big multiple choice tests esp for science is that the answer for question 5 will be accidentally revealed in question 27 or something

[fair yew]

Profiles are not a very good metric. There is a ton of JS traders with 0 prev experience. Also if you look at Headlands, it is the same type of backgrounds.

[broken thorn]

im still seething from my 5th grade worksheet where 2 gave soln to 1 and 3 gave soln to 2

never made a full recovery

[timber fiber]

the biggest trick of all though is in normal exams, never leave a question blank. if you write two paragraphs of nonsense that is vaguely correlated you will often get a couple points out of pity

[broken thorn]

i could have done 1/3 the work if i looked ahead

hahaha

[broken thorn]

THIS is how you make a mult choice question

[nocturne estuary]

AP Physics C throwback

[broken thorn]

do not ask why me as a 6th semester physics major is taking physics 2

we do a little smurfing

[timber fiber]

i have no clue but i would guess D, 133 seems like a number easier to get to than 103 or 113 or 123

what is the answer

[broken thorn]

d

[timber fiber]

nice

[broken thorn]

thats a good guess

makes sense that a clean fraction is answer so thats a great guess

4/3

400/3 i guess

[timber fiber]

i would have guessed E if there were any 7s involved in the question

but with 6 and 40 133 makes the most sense

[broken thorn]

142857142857

the funny numbers

[broken thorn]

@timber fiber you are correct lmfao

actually idk if u can solve or just narrow down to 2

"but 2 is neutral" is something you can deduce without any brainpower

[weary path]

jane street C tier confirmed 🫡

[broken thorn]

o interesting it was e this time, i guess they didnt do it default

traditionally*

yep

[opaque sable]

jane street on the same tier as credit suisse is hilarious

[broken thorn]

its just asking the directjon 3 particles go in a magnetic field

[broken thorn]

why does mit gap everywhere else so hard

[floral locust]

People mainly do best on Putnam first year

Majority of comp math people go to mit

[hasty hill]

Yes

[short patio]

c++ is king surely

[hasty hill]

Yes but rust is easily 2nd place

I’m a rust dev so could be cope

The lang requires skill and the knowledge transfer/sharing with cpp is there

I do know people who went from rust at tech company -> quant tho

The pipeline can happen

[weary path]

😂indeed, dk why they always pick the cheapest category at the career fair

[limpid nacelle]

What sources?

[hasty hill]

Just 1 personal data point + my team has worked with quant shops and heard that they like rust + @pearl spade knows more

[summer stratus]

Are we talking abt quant dev/swe roles?

[limpid nacelle]

Can you provide some quantitative metrics?

[pearl spade]

contradicting @hasty hill its en eh

for generalist firms like citadel/imc etc ull be fine

[weary path]

bog needs sharpe ratio, pls provide

[pearl spade]

for specialist firms that test u on their languages like py/cpp (hrt/akuna/jump sometimes/etc) ur going to have to branch out from rust

[weary path]

whats a generalist firm?

and how are akuna and jump not part of it🤔

[limpid nacelle]

I heard jump has many teams exclusively using rust

[pearl spade]

for experienced roles yes

for intern/ng roles theyll test u generally with sometimes 1 cpp/py specific interviw

[weary path]

imc tests python and sometimes even cpp🤔

[pearl spade]

akuna/jump(sometimes) tests u by lang

[limpid nacelle]

And java

[pearl spade]

no IMC OA was completely language independent and their final was Java but u didnt need to know it

unless are u EU?

[weary path]

yes i work there

[pearl spade]

yea usa is language independent

[weary path]

for swe idk for qr we test python

[limpid nacelle]

I had the option between java/cpp/python during my OA

[pearl spade]

oh mb i was talking swe for above everything ; should have clarified it

[weary path]

what about R?

[weary path]

ill tell them to add R and remove everything else

[pearl spade]

firm dependent

akuna cpp will make u use cpp, jump for my specific team let me use any language, imc made me use java

keep doing python and apply to the python roles

i switched from cpp to python just for LC

wait u got rescinded?

dont worry abt akuna they always had issues with profitability

this is like contradictory tho right

[weary path]

how you gonna disrespect the python kings and queens like that 😦

[pearl spade]

oh so like less toxicity in general

prolly CTC

the less toxic a firm is the less toxic the people prolly will be

and ive heard good things abt CTC with their collaborative unique culture

[weary path]

uff i’ve heard about this, sounds awful.

janestreet is big on gambling but never heard anything sexist from their side

i realised im too stupid to bet

i bet on the number of michelin star restaurants in my country TWICE…

and lost both times

🤦🏾‍♂️

[limpid nacelle]

We need to do the sport betting project

It's going to train you

[weary path]

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 i prey

hows it going n3