quants-n-traders

[final forge]

yea but imagine being canadian

[final forge]

thinking yes, but not for a year. im not gonna have em claw back my sign on

[weary path]

tower did quite insane last few years with crypto

also super siloed and competitive ive been told by someone there

[long raft]

I mean if you want to create a competitive env where only the best performing teams survive this might be a strategy. But I think this might not be sustainable 😅 like everyone could have a bad month/year and then make big money the next

[weary path]

no free lunch as they say

[long raft]

Yeah. I don’t dont know how other people perform in such envs but I don’t think it’s perfect

[weary path]

yezyes

this idk but since many got 7-8fig bonuses last few years im sure they can afford lunch 🙂

hopefully also a good therapist

[long raft]

From what I’ve seen people tend to be more efficient when in a good env but just my personal exp

[long raft]

No matter how rich you are. We all like to get free stuff 😂

[weary path]

that is also true 😭

[long raft]

Lunch tastes better when it’s free.

And ofc free stuff rises the moral😂

[weary path]

i even volunteered to represent my firm at a career fair just so that i could snag up some free merch from optiver and JS, Cit

[weary path]

they have the best merch by a landslide

[long raft]

Hahaha I would only do this super secretive not that they fire me or so

[weary path]

last time at our sister school optiver brought in a barrista to make coffee

yes

[long raft]

I Hope they also had hot coco 🥲

[weary path]

shirts i didnt like, but their bicycle playing cards were insane

also optiver gave out jenga, backpacks, hoodies, sweatshirts, puzzles

was quite hard to transport all the merch back home 😂

i have two sets lmk when u in switzerland hahahaha

[long raft]

Ok so you take a Jenga set in your backpack and put your hoody on and go to work 😂

[weary path]

omg 😍

[long raft]

At work you play jenga with yourself while your models backtest/train

[weary path]

merch wise i think those three + HRT are undefeated

[weary path]

funny that you assume i backtest my models

[weary path]

you say prayer and then you go live

[long raft]

Backtest = Running your models in production and see if it works (aka yolo it)

People always get this wrong 😉😂

[weary path]

hahahahahahahah

jump might not even have merch

[long raft]

I just want a water bottle that’s all

Maybe underwear to impress the girls

[weary path]

rarest quant merch that exists in the wild.. 🤨

they have very small intern class and they go through a quite competitive training program after which they keep the “good” ones and let go of the others

so might not be worth it for them to hire a lot, since the program is expensive to do

BIPOC SLIDES? i attended that event and didnt get a merch link

could be, the guy we interviewed said 60% got yeated in uk

i only have standard hrt slides :((((

[long raft]

Only the super rare HRTxGucci collab

[weary path]

man thats not even that insane there is an IMCxNike collab where they made custom imc sneakers for employees who wanted them.

sadly i joined too late so cant get them, worst feeling ever

[long raft]

Picture? They might be worth a lot to sneaker heads 😱

In 20 years they will be as expensive as a comex rolex 😂

[weary path]

i have to ask, the guy i know who had the opportunity to get them didnt get them cuz he “doesnt wear sneakers”

[long raft]

😱😱😱 me neither but just as a memory peace to display at home or so

[weary path]

right now im trying to convince HR to send me the patagonia imc finance-bro vest.

but sadly no luck, they want me to come pick it up

[long raft]

Hahaha and why is that so hard? Just take the elevator 2 floors? 🤔😂

[weary path]

maybe i should actually renegotiate my contract and ask for more merch 👀

[weary path]

nono hr is in amsterdam 😦

[long raft]

Hahaha you can visit friends there and all the nice museums 🤔

[weary path]

only two reasons to go to amsterdam; stroopwaffeln and weed

stroopwaffeln are insane

[long raft]

No Mondrian paintings?:(

[weary path]

only a Rembrandt type of guy

[weary path]

cutie 🥰

[long raft]

Tbh the best self portraits are from Frida Kahlo 😂

[weary path]

whys there a monkey

[long raft]

She really liked monkeys. If I am not mistaken she saw them as her children

I think the monkeys in her self portraits make them more interesting 🤔

People want to work in quant so they can retire early. I want to work in quant so I can afford a painting from pollock 🥹😂

[weary path]

monkey cool ngl

[rose holly]

I gave the Akuna test, it was simple math but under very tight time constraint. Say 10 secs per problem or so. Couldn't clear it though.

[floral locust]

Optiver x allbirds

[weary path]

when x ON?

dk if ON is wellknown outside of switzerland but them mfs comfy

[long raft]

ON = only Nutella?

[broken thorn]

wym?

[limpid nacelle]

@ember lava did you know that your username is the name of an investment fund?

[runic grotto]

Not really

Well if they were a freshman

That would be much more

But if they’re junior or senior they could have grown a lot

Also did you see the story of the guy who won the fields medal but was failing HS math, that was pretty cool

[limpid nacelle]

Mr palange

How are you doing?

[brisk stream]

python

[floral locust]

I’m coming to chi this Friday

[brisk stream]

I leave Friday

[floral locust]

Rip

For good?

[brisk stream]

nah for a week lol

[weary path]

dont forget your bulletproof vest

[floral locust]

We will be work neighbors

[brisk stream]

u gonna live downtown?

[floral locust]

I’m living in the Npc place everyone first year lives rmb?

[brisk stream]

Ah right

enjoy the dorms

[floral locust]

I can make friends 🤓🤓🤓

[brisk stream]

are you gonna climb

[floral locust]

we'll see how much free time i have

[royal forge]

Where did u end up going

[floral locust]

generic chicago trading firm

[long raft]

What will a QR intern do over a 3 month internship? Like they clearly can’t expect to generate alpha 🤔

[floral locust]

i mean they could

[long raft]

I assume they will shadow a more senior QR and do “small tasks”. But what will those small tasks be?

[ornate solstice]

Internship really just a paid interview

[static musk]

are these legit?

crypto fund in the carribean is automatically raising red flags

[limpid nacelle]

good crypto funds are printing money

[static musk]

$500k tc tho?

[limpid nacelle]

this is sus for sure

[static musk]

the head hunter is from a real talent sourcing firm so i guess ill entertain it

[limpid nacelle]

maybe it is 500k for experienced quants?

less for ng

[floral locust]

i could see ng paying that much

[static musk]

that'd make a lot more sense but she specifically cites full stack dev so idk

maybe its just a lot higher to get ppl to relocate

to a new country lol

[limpid nacelle]

maybe

[lyric loom]

BOG RESPOND TO ME

HELLO

[floral locust]

you have to pay a premium to get people to move there

also worse wlb

[limpid nacelle]

just know that algorithmic trading in crypto is a juicy industry

[static musk]

would you guys take an opportunity like that

out of curiosity

[limpid nacelle]

if it is pays well, yeah

[floral locust]

i dont rly think crypto is good to start your career

[limpid nacelle]

as long as you do algo trading, you will be fine

a lot of skills are transversal

[floral locust]

most trad fi firms don't respect crypto firm experience

[static musk]

yeah i wouldnt mind being at like jump crypto or something

[lyric loom]

[floral locust]

jump crypto's main pnl isn't rly from trading

[limpid nacelle]

most firms have a crypto division

[static musk]

dyt they're even profitable

[floral locust]

sure, I just think it's better to start your career and do training in trad fi and move to crypto later

[floral locust]

too variable to tell so i have no real opinion

[static musk]

valid

i remember when ftx went bust they tweeted that they took a serious loss

[floral locust]

like they had insane 2021 then not insane 2022 lol

so like noise is like orders of magnitude larger than the EV over the 2 year window lol

[limpid nacelle]

Yeah probably. Altough the work will most likely be the same

[floral locust]

Uhhh maybe

[limpid nacelle]

find signals and make profits

[floral locust]

especially w/ algo trading i think there are clear differences between crypto and maybe smth traditional like equities

[limpid nacelle]

that's it

[floral locust]

like most crypto shops backend are in python

also crypto exchanges are in the cloud so latency isn't rly a big concern

[limpid nacelle]

doesn't matter if you don't do HFT

most crypto funds are doing Medium Frequency Trading

[static musk]

if ur a swe would u (on average) be valued more on a crypto team or trad quant fin team

[limpid nacelle]

very team dependant

as always

[quasi orbit]

I see you 👀

[limpid nacelle]

if you are on risk reporting (like me rn). The work is kinda shit

[static musk]

yoo whatup u sign mm yet?

[static musk]

makes sense

[quasi orbit]

I got fired cuz they found out I’m a two sigma simp

[static musk]

wait what

fr

[quasi orbit]

just like how I got fired from snowflake for saying the D word in the cafeteria

[lyric loom]

Yo

[static musk]

r u trolling

[lyric loom]

no

[limpid nacelle]

no

[runic grotto]

Yo

[limpid nacelle]

do you want to be a quant dev/swe?

[static musk]

yes

gonna be at a very trader-prioritized firm this summer tho so maybe that'll change quick lmao

[limpid nacelle]

sig?

tbf, most firms are trader-prioritized

[static musk]

yeah for sure

[limpid nacelle]

Traders/Researchers are the front office

[quasi orbit]

Same one?

[limpid nacelle]

as a quant dev, you are mostly a middle office

[static musk]

which is probably why a lot of firms that people talk about aren't worth over faang/unicorn even if ng pay is higher

[limpid nacelle]

not so sure

[quasi orbit]

ur doing core dev right

[static musk]

yeah

[quasi orbit]

get that bag

35 an hour

[static musk]

negotiated 😎

but c1 still paying more lol

c1 intern pay is just stupiod

[limpid nacelle]

if you can shift to a front office role / do front office work and perform well, you will be compensated well

[static musk]

makes sense

[quasi orbit]

40?

[static musk]

+bonus but ya

[quasi orbit]

ayyy not bad

[static musk]

kinda sucked turning down a higher offer in nyc but

as soph it makes more sense

[limpid nacelle]

growth is probably also easier

[static musk]

in quant vs faang?

[limpid nacelle]

yes

[static musk]

the level system in tech makes it a lot more transparent but its fs true that if ur a rockstar programmer you will be rewarded much more in quant

[limpid nacelle]

even if you are not a rockstar but work on impacful project, you will get the bag

what matters is mostly projects you work on

[static musk]

kinda true in faang too tho no?

[limpid nacelle]

yeah definitely

[static musk]

idk its just hard bc not as much data on mid-career for a lot of firms

but they'd have to out-pay otherwise ppl would just leave

[limpid nacelle]

my point is that you can be cracked at coding, if you don't work on impacful project, it's an L

[static musk]

ru feeling that rn on the risk team

[limpid nacelle]

a bit

but it's not that bad

cuz my team is really special

like my fund is investing in other funds

we do the reportings of these other funds, so we are quite crucial to make sure the money is working well

I accepted the offer at my current firm as a backup to work there manwhile before joining back G in 6m

[limpid nacelle]

also you learn a ton of finance concepts

@static musk One thing that is worth mentionning is that the code quality at quant firms is generally poor compare to big Tech

altough I'm probably very biased

[quasi orbit]

no code quality sucks

[limpid nacelle]

fr bro

I hate writing python in a codebase without type hints

[weary path]

we use typehints

[limpid nacelle]

on average, for 3 functions picked in the codebase, only 1 will have type hints

I'm pushing my team to adopt good engineering practices

like design docs

[weary path]

wait the swe team doesnt use typehints?

[limpid nacelle]

no, and it's cringe

[long raft]

Worked on a project with typing, static code analysis, format checks and all the fancy stuff. And then I moved to a project with nothing. Was really disappointing but for a prototype you can’t expect a lot 😂

[tulip sapphire]

Lol the above statement of code quality sounds firm dependent

[brisk stream]

nah climbing is too hard for me

[final forge]

lmao I just heard some one irl shit all over them

[floral locust]

Cope cause they rejected u

Drw good yea

[quasi orbit]

bruh dont shit on jump

[static musk]

why?

[floral locust]

No path to partner tower gaps unfortunately

[ornate solstice]

You can partner at quant firms?

[nocturne estuary]

People love jump wayyy too much for a firm that’s gonna be obsolete cause of the laws of physics

If anyone is gonna break the speed of light and allow for intergalactic travel, HFTs are gonna be the ones

Yeah I’ve heard this

Cant be better than DRW though

[lyric loom]

@half ginkgo

fuck u

[obtuse flame]

Wait palantir does intern housing?

[obtuse flame]

Dang missed the bus

[limpid nacelle]

I interned there past fall and got a return offer. Decided to join G next June. Start date couldn't be before Q2

[obtuse flame]

@rose holly

Character development

[weary path]

then no non-quant company passes your benchmark?

[weary path]

thought you were talking about wlb+comp but then my bad

[runic grotto]

Not sure about how Google WLB is rn since SCI

[weary path]

nono could be, i dont know about many other tech companies.

[runic grotto]

There are a few but I don’t think there are many

2 I can think of immediately is LinkedIn and Roblox

Maybe apple?

Oh yeah and Pinterest

I think that might be it, pretty narrow group of companies

Though they all have worse prestige, unsure how much relevance that plays

[limpid nacelle]

It's highly team dependant. Most teams at G have an "average" WLB (9-5)

[weary path]

this is even slightly more comp than what mckinsey consultants make in zurich and they work 70+

[limpid nacelle]

Don't forget good WLB is highly subjective. For some it's 20hrs a week, for others it's 40hrs a week

I didn't meet anyone at G working <=20hrs a week

[weary path]

indeed

[limpid nacelle]

• depends on how efficient you are

[long raft]

Not even working students? 🤔

[limpid nacelle]

Mb, I forgot them. Working students work less because they study

I was taking about full timers specifically

[long raft]

Do other offices (outside the EU) have working students? Most of US people I told about this concept didn’t know about this

[limpid nacelle]

I have no idea

Probably

It's like part time working

[rare rock]

can dumb ppl be a quant

[rose holly]

yes of course. let the haters hate. let the gatekeepers gatekeep. anyone can be a quant

[broken thorn]

are you sure? i want this to be true but i dont think it is

probably not even true for faang

[rose holly]

no im obviously bsing lol

[rose holly]

i like to think SWE roles are more about knowledge than IQ

you can be dumber than another candidate but if you invest more time and learn more then you might end up with better career outcomes

unless nothing clicks for you

then gg

[broken thorn]

in almost everything this is true imo. the difference is there is only 24 hours in a day and if it takes too long to learn some of the interview questions then u dont have enough time to learn everything else

[rose holly]

cracking faang is just LC though

and there's so many prep courses/problem sets

genuinely don't think the bar is that high

[rose holly]

but yea I guess this applies to quant too

[rare rock]

i can do some leetcode

how to crack into quant

[limpid nacelle]

Quant is the same

[limpid nacelle]

How to quant into crack

[rose holly]

idk

[rare rock]

[rose holly]

i haven't seriously prepped but I feel like you have to be able to think on your feet

[limpid nacelle]

It's about having the math and finance knowledge

[rare rock]

is all the hard part just getting a job and not the job itself

[rose holly]

na I get that but that seems like just a prereq. it's just basic stats but stuff like zetamac and calculating EV idk how you would train your speed and accuracy

[limpid nacelle]

I agree the bar is lower for swe but quant is as knowledge focus as swe, if it is not more

[rare rock]

must be the money

[broken thorn]

one day i will be quanted

[rose holly]

yea i agree there's def a lot of knowledge involved lol

js there seems to be more aspects to it

[rare rock]

what books to read if i wanna be a quanty

[rose holly]

not sure if im describing this correctly but i feel like how hard you succumb to pressure matters more for qt than swe too. and the thinking on your feet thing

[rose holly]

i think everyone recommends heard on the street and the green book

if you already have the stats/probability background

[rare rock]

im taking stats rn

[rose holly]

those HS exams are probably good to look at too

[rare rock]

in college

[rose holly]

like anything from AMC, AIME, USAMO

[rose holly]

ok try taking a amc 12 exam and lmk what you think

[rare rock]

ok

[rose holly]

but also im a core dev not QT so take whatever i say with a grain of salt haha

[rare rock]

LOL

got first problem weong

[long raft]

8 year old video 🤔

https://youtu.be/c7E0Zfp-I18

[rare rock]

is it like wolf of wall street

[ornate solstice]

Anyone remember that person asking about his two friends and comparing their prestige? I wanna find that message again

Lame, i shoulda screenshot

Lmfao that's insane

[runic grotto]

It’s honestly specific enough I bet someone could find both on LinkedIn

💀

I found them

💀💀💀💀💀

I found the second person at least

Exact match

No way it could be someone else

I wonder how they have the energy to make that post after grinding all day at citadel

🤔

[rose holly]

cocaine

jk

[runic grotto]

[fast gazelle]

I’m person 1 AMA

[opaque sable]

bro check their post history lmaoo

"most prestigious birthdate?" posted on r/cantonese

[runic grotto]

Omw to legally change my birthdate to gain the max possible prestige

[runic grotto]

Ik

I can’t find the first

[limpid nacelle]

Do you have mental problems?

[tulip sapphire]

youre good

[lyric loom]

say sorry specifically to yahkub

very good mr n3

[cyan sparrow]

@lyric loom change ur name

To LeGoat simp

[limpid nacelle]

meesta yahkuna

do you have a gf?

[lyric loom]

why do u assume he is straight

[limpid nacelle]

good q

[lyric loom]

why breakup

spill the tea

[rose holly]

[lyric loom]

YES IT DOES

U DUMB IDIOT

[hallow shoal]

how does gym membership cost 600 dollars a month 💀, and how is rent so cheap

ah gg

[floral locust]

woah

that's so cheap

[limpid nacelle]

should be 4.3 actually

what is the total tc?

I guess something around 250k

did you nego?

you meant google

[lost leaf]

you are fat

[limpid nacelle]

what about G?

is it paying good for MLE

[floral locust]

are you CCP @rose holly ?

[lost leaf]

no problem shoe

my dentures are gonna be poppin after i graduate

[hallow shoal]

thats kinda normal before inflation ithink?

[limpid nacelle]

what do you eat except fruits?

I bet you are trolling

how much?

mostly cap imo

[hallow shoal]

doesn't linkedin provide food?

takes some extra home

pack an extra bag

:))

[limpid nacelle]

take a bag full of snacks

Unless you get coupon codes or free credit.
I heard a rumor that cit gives $50 on uber eats per working day

oh really?

u work there?

[cloud spear]

Damn wtf cit folk living it up

[limpid nacelle]

what perks do you have at the company you accepted?

[cloud spear]

Guess cit's my goal

[limpid nacelle]

2x?

[floral locust]

ftx people were getting 200/day stipend lol

[limpid nacelle]

50k per year just on stipends

[floral locust]

0

[limpid nacelle]

c++?

[brisk stream]

cit food benefits depend on what office you’re in

[hallow shoal]

are you required to eat the food at office?

I know some Investment banks require it but idk

[broken thorn]

200 per day? id get 5 buck rotisserie chicken and pocket the rest

[floral locust]

u usually eat at cafeteria or at desk

[floral locust]

it's a coupon not actual money

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ur making more from job anyways

[hallow shoal]

Lol

[hallow shoal]

are you allowed to take it home?

[floral locust]

yea

lol

yea ftx balled out

errr alameda had like 20-30

ftx had like 100-200

[twin cloud]

It’s past 7, and it’s 35 not 50

[tulip sapphire]

presumably there would be fees to doordash + drivers

so it's p clearly -EV

some apps dont allow pickup

they only do catering to the office center

that's what was used by where i worked last summer

yeah but otoh it gets delivered to your floor

which saves a lot of time

may have changed by now tho idk

[floral locust]

Ftx used like deliveroo

[tulip sapphire]

is that Bahamas?

or London?

[floral locust]

Uhhh from what I’ve read, bahamas was catered

Berkeley and HK were food stipend

The bahamas catering was quite nuts from what I’ve heard

[tulip sapphire]

i can imagine

[floral locust]

Like I think 5 diff meals a day

[tulip sapphire]

the firm im working at next summer has very nice food catering

[cyan sparrow]

Yeah my friend used to work out of there

[tulip sapphire]

they flew me first class to visit the nyc office

[cyan sparrow]

Nuts

[floral locust]

Ftx?

[cyan sparrow]

Yeah

[floral locust]

Oh wow

I’m sure he has some stories

Hopefully he didn’t have his comp on ftx or equity

[cyan sparrow]

He's in jail now tho

[floral locust]

Hmmmm

[cyan sparrow]

Nishad Singh

[floral locust]

Ic

[tulip sapphire]

does he have linkedin?

he has this ig https://golden.com/wiki/Nishad_Singh-W3GM4E4

[floral locust]

Yea he was one of the four

Who knew about the he fraud

[tulip sapphire]

are Ramnik and Caroline the 2 others?

[floral locust]

Gary sbf Caroline nishad

From what I’ve heard tho Caroline was after the other 3

She kinda uncovered it and chose to remain silent while the other 3 were the ones who actually did it

Yea I dunno just relaying stuff I’ve read

Not like I was actually there lol

I think some article said she found out sometime mid 2021

[cyan sparrow]

what does berkeley consulting even do

[floral locust]

yea it's interesting cause alameda was still hiring people in 2022

like allowing people to join a sinking ship

[runic grotto]

Wouldn't it be sus for them to completely stop hiring though?

[hasty hill]

wow i also write criminal algorithms when i leetcode

they should fine me

[lyric loom]

@hasty hill

[hasty hill]

can u not do this

and don't dm me ever again

or i will abuse my mod powers

[hasty hill]

[runic grotto]

Do yk how many people did optivers

Does it include US?

[weary path]

that was my plan 😂

NOOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭

no got an email the same time it was posted on instagram (+- an hour)

yeah I also don’t like competitions where the winner just gets paid out in cash. prolly an unpopular opinion

[long raft]

Hahaha I like hard Cash. So i can use it to buy food 🥲

That ovomaltine ain’t cheap 🥲🥲

[runic grotto]

Optiver advertises the most out of all the quant firms I've seen

[weary path]

by far

[runic grotto]

💀

[storm ember]

you an intern or fulltime? while studying?

what do/did you study

[weary path]

man not sure, optiver is even on my insta ads 😂

[weary path]

im FT whilst studying yes.

[weary path]

math

[storm ember]

yea what math

[weary path]

wdm? my degree is called math. My focus is in (the mathematics of) deep learning and mathfin, however the latter is not very interesting

[storm ember]

i mean you did a masters right? what was it on, what are your interests in math, whats the latest paper you read or found interesting

it isnt a test i just want to know more about you

[weary path]

i am still doing my masters, my thesis is on DL in mathfin (model free pricing using deep-hedging, signature methods etc. )

my work is very much orthogonal to what i study btw

in this direction if you are interested in math: https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.11435

mostly about proving different things, so not very exciting for the audience here lmao

[storm ember]

does model-free refer to a potential concrete ml implementation or to less assumptions being made on the distribution(s) of the underlying object

[weary path]

no not really. Are you familiar with mathfin?

[storm ember]

no, probably doesnt help

well i took a financial math course once

that was years ago though and all we did was black scholes, some option pricing and basic measure theory

im familiar with math though if that helps

[weary path]

hmm okk, so in essence instead of fixing one measure that drives the underlying stochastic process we take consider all the measures that are in some sense compatible with the current price.

[storm ember]

nice

[weary path]

actually the latter is kinda true

[storm ember]

might skim the paper, thx

[weary path]

for model free just read acciaio, she was kinda the pioneer

[storm ember]

a lot of my friends are into optimal transport though i didnt study it all that much

looks like the fintech goonies are finally getting to it

[storm ember]

thx

[limpid nacelle]

signatures

[runic grotto]

Anyone got any tips on how I should frame myself when applying to Jane Street's SWE programs

I have no idea what values they're looking for

[long raft]

In Case you find out pls tell me 🥹

[modest sleet]

They just want a strong SWE

No magic

From what I’ve heard having ICPC can be quite helpful as well

[runic grotto]

Yeah, but I get 150 words to write (required), so I wanna make the best use of that I can

[modest sleet]

Wait, you have to fill in 150 words somewhere? I don’t even remember doing that lol

[lost leaf]

anish "optiver" giri

[modest sleet]

Are you doing your masters FT as well?

[runic grotto]

I’m talking about the underclassmen programs, not the internships

[modest sleet]

Ooh, okay, mb, my answer is then irrelevant I guess, sorry

[broken thorn]

amish girl 😍

[weary path]

only 17credits this semester

[modest sleet]

So how long do you reckon it’s going to take you to complete it? Also, do you not find it hard to study after a day of work?

[weary path]

i just have my thesis to do in the coming semester so should be done by june

[fast gazelle]

I hrt chess

[patent osprey]

theres's this course at my school called Probabilistic Reasoning. this is a breif overview of what it goes over. Would it be beneficial taking this to crack into quant swe roles, or not neccessary? appreciate the help

[static musk]

for swe roles not necessary

[patent osprey]

ic, theres another probability course which i am taking as a pre req for a networking course. do you think this will be enough rudimentary knowledge?

[static musk]

for what goal?

it won't hurt but its unlikely that you'll come across those questions in a swe interview for most firms

[broken thorn]

cool challenge question, what is the expected number of drinks in this drinking game:
start with deck of 52 cards
start at step 1.
step1: guess black or red card drawn, drink and reset if wrong, go to step 2 if right
step 2: guess if card is higher or lower, drink and reset if wrong or duplicate card, go to step 3 if right
step 3: guess if card is inside or outside the two cards, drink and reset if wrong or card is duplicate , go to step 4 if right
step 4: guess suit of card, win if correct, drink and reset if wrong.

if the deck is infinite cards i have an answer (simple system of equations, 17.11 is final score on average), but for a limited dekc of 52 cards i do not know the answer

beccause duplicates are less likely than 1/13 and 2/13 for rounds 2 and 3, and guessing the final suit is more likely because counting num of each suits

[stoic willow]

Does anyone know if Headlands sends an OA automatically?

[summer stratus]

cool challenge question what is the

[junior dew]

what if u ride the bus

[broken thorn]

this is expected num drinks if you ride the bus with a full deck

[junior dew]

need to consider drunk ppl stupid

adds drinks

guessing inside on 8 6

ONE TIME

[broken thorn]

since usually it caps at 25ish cards wjen someone does ride the bus

[broken thorn]

im assuming optimal strat

[junior dew]

i know

[storm ember]

what do you mean by infinite cards?

that you return the card after drawn and reshuffle?

have you tried using a smaller deck or less suits?

or truncating the game and simply calculating the expected number of drinks to hit step 2 or step 3 or step 4?

solving any of these subproblems will probably make solving the full thing easier

[broken thorn]

infinite size deck equal ratios of cards

or draw without replacement i guess

[broken thorn]

i did

but without replacement all games are different

[storm ember]

theres nothing special about a standard deck of cards. you can of course calculate the exact value in each of these cases though chances are it wont be a particularly nice expression

if you want an approximation, itll probably be within 1 of the infinite case

and of course that the proportion of E[X] will tend towards 17.11 as you increase the size of deck

provided your value is correct

[ornate solstice]

Lol uw?

[patent osprey]

uoft

[ornate solstice]

Oh, i went onto the uw website catalog and it looked like that too

[broken thorn]

standard deck has 13 of each suit. if the first 3 cards are club spade heart, then diamond is most likely to be the guessed suit

replacement matters in probability

[storm ember]

no one said otherwise

[storm ember]

when you reset, do you return all cards back to the deck?

that was my interpretation

if not then none of the stuff i said earlier applies

[broken thorn]

no sorry

you go to step 1

cards stay on tabler

[storm ember]

the game sounds fun but probably better if done not alone

if i was taking shots of anything other than beer i would die

do you think the expected value is above or below 16?

[broken thorn]

ev for infinite deck is 17.11 assuming perfect play, so i would gess it is below since you get to count cards and also have a hard maximum of 52 cards

[storm ember]

on average, do you think the probability that your most recent drink ends up being your last, goes up as the game progresses?

[broken thorn]

yes because card counting gets better as deck get smaller

[broken thorn]

i wish i was

thanks

just system of 4 equations

from a probability class

u can assume average chance to get something is half way between 50% and 100% when u get to choose smaller or larger

same way that the average length of a larger stick when u break a stick at a random point is 75% the total length

50% is minimum length

you pick the larger stick

not brain fart imo

its kinda unintuitive

yeh

ye

also u can graph it

where x from 0 to 1 is the cut position, and y is max (x, 1-x)

and then the average value is .75 with triangles and 1/2base times height

[broken thorn]

continuous math

[rapid cargo]

gm

y'all know any good data science curriculum?

or projects to work on/do

[haughty crater]

Hello hello

Does anyone have any good resources for starting out in learning about quantitative trading and the theories related to it (e.g black scholes)

Like textbooks and stuff

[broken thorn]

@hasty hill i pinged u for a reply to somethign u said a while ago and then realized i already said the same thing to you right when u posted it so deleted

[storm ember]

api key detection, audio noise reduction, pick something ur interested in that's beyond you and make it work. probably one of the better ways to learn

[storm ember]

probably pinned

[rare rock]

u need masters for quant?

[rose holly]

idts?

lot of QTs with just a BS

[rare rock]

oh i see

[rose holly]

i feel like people only do the MS to get a better school name on their resume

minus the ones who actually do niche research

[near sail]

Has anybody done the VidCruiter Test video interview for the trading internship at Akuna Capital?

What should I expect to do on it?

[nocturne estuary]

Math I think

It was like math problems and then explain

I don’t remember that well though

[ornate solstice]

Anyone know how much tgs pays their sdes at like faang senior software engineer experience position?

[hasty hill]

[barren steeple]

ive heard like 800+

[ornate solstice]

That's all i need to know, thanks

[steady basin]

Hey didn’t know where to ask but was curious if anyone here would know. When it comes to HFT, what’s preventing a snowball effect of the market going down a little, then aggressive bots recognize the downward trend immediately and selling, then every other bot responding to that as well, causing more and more people to panic sell? Does it have to do with sensitivity of algorithms?

[limpid nacelle]

Most hft shops are market makers. A market maker in its strict definition is a player that is always willing to buy or sell their stock of financial products. If market makers believe there is a financial instrument undervalued where they can make money on, they will buy it and exercise a buying pressure

Electronic market making is considered a "high alpha" quant division

And they are usually market neutral and follow the market

They are usually not amplifying the "effect" of the market

Although there might be some manipulations made by some shops

That's my understanding

[steady basin]

Hm interesting, thx!

[rapid cargo]

whats that highly recommended stats/math class ive seen ppl link here?

i cant remember the name or school to check

[clear grove]

cringe statistical learner vs chad algebraic topologist

nah AT is definitely much better

dg in my experience has very annoying notation

im taking it right now

[rapid cargo]

thank you

[ornate solstice]

Yeah, west coast based

[static musk]

office in princeton too

[ornate solstice]

Didn't know actually

[quasi orbit]

Just delay undergrad 💦

[scenic bison]

may 2024 grad to may 2025 grad pipeline

[hasty hill]

[rapid cargo]

[long raft]

Radix to Amazon 🥲🫡

[limpid nacelle]

So much copium

[rose holly]

WE CAN ALL JOIN JANE STREET

WE JUST HAVE TO TRY

[limpid nacelle]

My guy is clowning on LinkedIn

[rose holly]

mr. Bog, why can't everyone join Jane Street?

[runic grotto]

The people making these claims always have the least credentials

Mf didn't even intern there

[limpid nacelle]

All employees at JS are ordinary. No geniuses there. It means JS discriminates geniuses.

[broken thorn]

what do you think they have that gets them hired instead of other people then? communication? lucky? insanely hard worker?

[royal forge]

do you think you are normal?

ok then that's why 😂

[limpid nacelle]

No Mr n3, everyone can get into Jane street

You just have to try

[floral locust]

y do u care so much about some random linkedin post

yea

i just moved in

u should visit

yuh

dm

[rose holly]

damn

curse of being a genius mr bog

[broken thorn]

woo congrats on not being unemployed

[floral locust]

i did actually qualify for unemployment

i just never bothered to apply

[broken thorn]

to be fair putting multiple years of hard work and practice into like anythign will make u cracked even if "normal" before u start

takes a lot of disciplne tho (unless u get addicted in which case congrats)

[modest sleet]

Idk, I have a FAANG internship and still don’t feel like I would be able to crack quant. But Tbf, I’m not amazing at leetcode, and just now studying OS because that’s how my uni does it.

[barren steeple]

yeah but good chunk of ppl who do get quant, have been doing math or coding for a huge part of their lives

probably a
Majority

[opaque sable]

if my dumb ass with no internships and 1 month of leetcode can get an interview at optiver then you can too!!

At least for swe roles at these firms I don't think the technical bar is as high at ppl think. But still defo high and hard

Lots of luck involved lol

[quasi orbit]

I’m pretty sure all the quants ask similar OS questions

[rose holly]

idk a lot of the ppl ik started coding in college

they were just pretty hardcore about everything

do people refer

like ive never referred

do those help

blinders give referrals to anyone and everyone

[opaque sable]

depends on the company

[rose holly]

seems pointless to me

[quasi orbit]

like HRT swe had the same questions for a lot of the core engineering positions

[opaque sable]

why pointless?

[limpid nacelle]

Are you a normal person Mr yahkub?

[rose holly]

if any joe shmo can get a referral then its a shit signal

and i dont think recruiters r entirely oblivious to that

one year i think msft or some other company said referrals wouldnt do shit

for early career (?)

[opaque sable]

yea but there are still multiple times more apps with no referral

it just increases your chances of being looked at cause you have a connection at the company

[runic grotto]

Google was the one I think

[rose holly]

im saying back then it mattered bcz thats what a referral meant

[opaque sable]

i heard that about msft

[rose holly]

nowadays ppl even have their referral codes/links on their linkedin 💀

or like a "msg me for referral"

[broken thorn]

megabrain genius with 3.95 from a t15 and 2 noname or better prev exp

[cyan sparrow]

When did this channel become like those cringe college admissions reddit

[modest sleet]

Getting through resume screen is not the problem for me. It’s the interview itself that’s the problem haha

[rose holly]

Hey guys, I'm a high school senior and I'm going to attend a community college because I didn't try so hard in school. I've recently become interested in finance and stocks (I've even opened up my own Robinhood account!) and want to join Jane Street to learn more. What should my next steps be!

[rose holly]

this will get me into jane street?

alright im cringing too hard

[dapper iris]

i started coding in college 😔

[floral locust]

If u started earlier u could’ve gotten ftx or tgs smh

[lost leaf]

i did a coding bootcamp when i was still partially in my father's left scrote

is it too late to get big tech

[weary path]

😂😂”Mathematical, Visual”

[broken thorn]

codesignal grading too polarized

imagine if the grammar portion of SAT alone determined if you were guaranteed 1500+ or got 1300 max

they should just make more than 1 question matter imo

still have each question worth more than the previous, but dont make the entire grade determined by q4

1+4=over 800

4 alone is like 790+

the scores should be smoothish imo, instead of having a big gap

at that point why not truncate it so 760-800 doesnt exist

cuz if its almost impossible to get those grades why do that

tbh i might even like restructuring it so its 4 leetcode easies/maybe a med or 2, then just grade based on how many test cases and how long it took

so its more about "how fast can u get most or all cases on 4 reasonable questions"

instesad of "coin flip q4 and then do 1 and 2 to pad grade, question 3 does not exist"

i won the coin flip but it doesnt feel rewarding

what score is 99 percentile

anything above 800 is irrelevant tho, imagine if SAT capped out at 1400

[runic grotto]

I mean I honestly don't see people with a 1600 score being more successful than 1500

[broken thorn]

ive mentioned my sat score maybe 3 times since high school

outside of like an actual discussion about sat scores

how can u know thier sat scores? or do you just ask in HS and then see them similar success?

[nocturne estuary]

SAT

[broken thorn]

now im on board

not a coin flip, 2/4 would probably still be a great score

but also its far too hard to be a fair filter, gotta remember companies are just gonna resume reject after u give them the 800+ either way

[nocturne estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925106170912448535/1069972752473280582/image0.jpg

[broken thorn]

so close to the cutoff

[runic grotto]

Yeah something like that

[broken thorn]

is it still possible to get quant for me

[rose holly]

has the SAT gotten easier

back then 1520 was decent

[broken thorn]

is 99th not decent?

[rose holly]

i mean it was enough to meet that checkbox for lots of top schools

i feel like ive been hearing so many scores higher than that from the new kids

like 2024+ grad date

something like that

[broken thorn]

when i was applying this fall a lot of quant places just said "98th percentile or higher" as the highest option for SAT

they asked for any score including gres and shit

ye wtf

biger than my head

[rose holly]

oh wasn't thinking of that

[runic grotto]

@ember lava do they do interviews for those programs?

[rose holly]

thinking more about college admissions, people used to compare SAT scores more than pp size

[runic grotto]

Wtf, do you know anyone who did SEE

[broken thorn]

the latter would be more meritocratic IMO

[rose holly]

pp size?

[broken thorn]

ye

||baited||

its percentile based innit?

average is 1k i pretty sure

[runic grotto]

Jane Street's fresh/soph program

[broken thorn]

that sis not weighted very well

[runic grotto]

Do yk if focus also had oa/interviews?

Oh

[rose holly]

it like, progressively gets easier?

i should check out the SATs from this year lmfao

i took mine in 2017 i think

[broken thorn]

was 1994 the year of the essay adding?

i dont count essay

i didnt take the essay

and most ppl talk about the score without essay i think

[rose holly]

i dont even remember the essay

[broken thorn]

analogies are the sussest questions imo

[runic grotto]

Wtf

[broken thorn]

c
d
A
C

107 % 5 = 2, B

[frigid zealot]

yup

[broken thorn]

can i get a thumb up for this one 🥺

[frigid zealot]

you earned it

[broken thorn]

37 fucked up cuz u gotta know what plaid looks like in ur minds eye

[limpid nacelle]

Where is this from?

[broken thorn]

what did u get pracksis

o sat

gigachad

700 800>800 800

[runic grotto]

ACT is infinitely easier

[nocturne estuary]

I think ACT vs SAT depends on what kind of test taker you are

ACT kills on time crunch if i recall correctly

[broken thorn]

u have to read so much as a kid to get 800 on reading

[broken thorn]

just get extra time from doctor

[nocturne estuary]

The goal is to have a handicap, not to get handouts

[broken thorn]

hate the player not the game

i never did that but i cant blame antone who did

[nocturne estuary]

I can

#weak

Cheating to win is not winning

L + ratio

Yeah but then they don’t get in anywhere

[broken thorn]

the system of extra time is fucked up anyways

[nocturne estuary]

If you have to cheat on the SAT to do well then uh

[broken thorn]

everyone should get extra time

[nocturne estuary]

You’re probably just dumb sorry

[broken thorn]

extra time doesnt hrlp on sat does it?

prolly it does for grammarg section actially

[nocturne estuary]

I feel like it could for math cause rechecking work

[broken thorn]

perhaps

imagine not rechecking work after every problem tho

[nocturne estuary]

Ok

I know

Incredibly annoying

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925106170912448535/1069972752473280582/image0.jpg

Me on the left right now

[broken thorn]

wym

how to fix?

[floral locust]

I don’t think cheating on standardized exams is endemic to just the us lmao

The us is great I love capitalism

[broken thorn]

its endemic to being human

even if not outriggt lie, we always stretch truth to people we talk to, when doing sales, friends, etc

im not skilled enough at either

forced to be truthful 😭

[rose holly]

i thought you were chaewon this whole time

[floral locust]

she is

[floral locust]

1

[rose holly]

also 1

lmao this kinda reminds me of the human benchmark test

[rapid cargo]

why 1

the pattern i see is the top right dot gets removed in each move to the right, along the rows

[floral locust]

Both give the same answer lol

[rapid cargo]

oh that's much easier

[rapid cargo]

do i get my quant offer now?

i dont get this one

[limpid nacelle]

I am

Last one:

[rose holly]

whys this one 5? is it because each row/col must have shapes of 2,3,4 lines each and there have to be 2 shapes with an underline and 1 without?

[limpid nacelle]

Is it?

The example you provided is not funny

Send link

[rapid cargo]

what's the point of these type of questions?

[limpid nacelle]

@ember lava you will like this one:

[rose holly]

|| is it you need 3 diagonal stripe ones in each column and 2 of everything else ||

[rose holly]

|| 5? ||

did you guys do these to train for something? ive seen it in some mental assessments but never looked for these sites lmao

oh wtf thats smart

i did it differently

[limpid nacelle]

That's not the logic I think

Cuz it doesn't include the first row information

It's more mathy

[rose holly]

|| just need two of them to add to the remaining one is what i did ||

i forgot where but ive seen some questions that were crazy hard to solve

looked at them for 2 hrs and got nothing

most likely an OA

[limpid nacelle]

||1 white ball "is equal" to 2 black balls||

[rose holly]

elaborate?

[limpid nacelle]

Imagine there is gravity from the bottom

[rose holly]

still not getting it but || don't the positions of the dots sort of matter? otherwise wouldn't 5 and 7 be the same thing, this is why i thought they just sort of add together to make the remaining one ||

[summer stratus]

seems to have some sort of conservation in the system (each row/col)

anyway, 5 is the answer im guessing

[rose holly]

this one got me mad fucked up though

can't believe i didn't see that

like it's not enough for me to be 100% sure thats the answer but its a nice sanity check

[broken thorn]

i think u need to look at diag symmetry to solve this one, which i am morally opposed to

[limpid nacelle]

U didn't dm

My DMs are open waz

[broken thorn]

the chaewon classic

"accept my linkedin request"

[feral cobalt]

am i tweaking or is this just sudoku rules for black and white

[final forge]

pogu same answer but also not convinced there's an actual rule except it looks the least badge/followes the most semi consistent rules I could think of

also I don't get the 2nd and 3rd row thing unless you are just ignoring ordering for some reason

well actually it consistently follows the rules I was thinking of it's just stupid asf

it actually has various ""nice"" or at least consistent properties but this is tea reading lol

[hollow lantern]

anyone solved IMC Trading Assessment?

[weary path]

which one

[hollow lantern]

Software Engineering

[final forge]

my interpretation was each row/col needed 2, 3, 4 lines each and they all must be from different shape "families" if that makes sense, like wavey, triangly, squished triangly

[ornate solstice]

Crazy to all get ||5|| from different ways

[rose holly]

oh yeah that too but i think plus || the # of underlines ||

[limpid nacelle]

[limpid nacelle]

I'm not sure to follow, can you explain?

[broken thorn]

he

just did

[rose holly]

@rose holly is it one butt or two butts

[broken thorn]

isnt it crazy that even these progressive matrices have patterns u can memorize like lc or quant questiond

guess its a pretty common sense take that every test can be studied for, cope to think u can make any test that breaks that, like an iq test

[limpid nacelle]

There is one test you cannot study for

It's the test of luck 🎲

[broken thorn]

ive won a 4% all in against my friend who needed the money more than I do

tell me thats luck

[modest sleet]

I’ve read a post about this a while ago. A guy was required to take an IQ test by the military in order to be eligible for promo and him and his buddies did questions in their spare time for practice, to the point when they were able to basically do any IQ test within 10-15 minutes. He warned his supervisors that he doesn’t think it’s a fair assessment as he’s been practicing for it a bit too much and they made him take it anyway.

He ended up with “IQ” of 184 and everyone in the country wanting him on the team.

[broken thorn]

lmfao

https://youtu.be/zD2Emo560u8

this guy shows so many patterns that i just dont think are fair

like looking at diag symmetry is too much of a stretch

0,3 3,2 2,1 shouldnt be a group that has a pattern shared

[lost leaf]

wtf accept my linkedin request

[broken thorn]

i dont think intelligence matters as much as how good you are after studying

instead of trying to measure intelligence i think measuring what leetcode does is way better

leetcode is proficiency after u grind the shit out of something

[limpid nacelle]

productiveness and efficiency are key

[broken thorn]

true, but its hard to emasure how fast someone learns because you cant find a concet novel to everyone

some people its completely novel, others its a tweak on something they already know

[limpid nacelle]

I meant more about being able to finish any task quickly

There are many smart and lazy mfs I would not hire

If I were a recruiter

[broken thorn]

who could he be talking about

[hasty hill]

I thought the “proof” for IQ tests was self evident so to speak, that it produces results like a normal distribution when u test a proper sample

So then i guess the real question becomes: does IQ follow a normal distribution among human population?

inb4 “intelligence is complicated and cant be measured” lol

[rose holly]

yes

there are different types of intelligence kirb

like emotional intelligence

[hasty hill]

I mean IRL i think so too. For like daily living and life

[broken thorn]

thats my point

[hasty hill]

But there are def contexts where it’s good to attempt measuring intelligence. Even if it’s just academic context

Why shouldnt we try it

[broken thorn]

(intelligence+boost from grinding) is way easier to measure and way more important

[rose holly]

we should just measure TC tbh

[broken thorn]

if it takes u 400 lc to get amazon who fares

cares

[runic grotto]

I do believe it can, but it’s widely misinterpreted. They usually measure one avenue of intelligence, but people mistakenly apply it to everywhere as a generalization

[rose holly]

ivy league to aws has to be the saddest shit

clown of the school

summa cum laude but the other direction

[broken thorn]

cope outcome

[cyan sparrow]

eh some ppl are too offline to care

the smartest cs kid ik from harvard went to zon after grad too

[rose holly]

i was jk but yea

if i say anything offensive or bannable

just know i was jk

[broken thorn]

...unless?

[chilly echo]

how about Amazon AWS Robotics research

hmmm

to me... that sounds like a massive win

[stoic willow]

Do HFT shops usually have set cooldown periods before you can apply again?

[ornate solstice]

I know youre memeing but where does this come from?

[stoic willow]

True. I guess I should ask instead, do HFTs have excessive cooldown periods or blacklists?

[rose holly]

wdym

i guess when your classmates are the ones creating successful startups or joining top HFTs and you join zon it seems real average

[ornate solstice]

Maybe im deluded, but doesn't scamazon get a lot more hate than most other companies?

[rose holly]

i think the founder of domeyard talked about it too

[ornate solstice]

"Not prestigious enough"

[ornate solstice]

Hm i guess so

[ornate solstice]

More like when a small minority of your classmates* tho, even at ivy schools

[lost leaf]

imagine not getting a single offer or callback from MIT, that seems very depressing lol

[rose holly]

even if not successful startup or trading firm a lot of ppl end up at G, Meta, unicorns, w/e and you end up at zon

at a T2000 school getting into zon might make you king arthur

[nocturne estuary]

I hope you’re not being serious right now

[rose holly]

@nocturne estuary explaining my memeing

L take

[nocturne estuary]

You can never tell with the people in this channel

[rose holly]

g gets free food

they are not the same

the view will just make you want to embrace it all and jump

i prefer the WALLS

[lost leaf]

you cna get the hrt view by breaking and entering

[scenic bison]

If they’re the same can I put google on my resume instead then

[ornate solstice]

Meta is fucked

[lost leaf]

meta has a more prestigious severance package than zon

g has the best sev

so g > meta > zon

[ornate solstice]

Lmfao for when you get pipped

[lost leaf]

rate company prestige by severance

[fast gazelle]

hey but at least at zon you can transfer to a warehouse role if you get piped

[rose holly]

L

[lost leaf]

from google you can transfer to wendy's

[rose holly]

some fast food places let you eat free food

why would you want to pee in bottles instead

[lost leaf]

gotta get the bill hwang experience

[stoic willow]

I was at Meta. Still was paid the same as an Amazonian

[lost leaf]

if you got laid off, would be getting like 2 months more severance

smh

[rose holly]

na

im a core dev lmfao

but i interviewed for tech before

[stoic willow]

I failed Amazon and passed Meta's interview. I did Amazon at the beginning of my prep journey and finished it with Meta

[ornate solstice]

What year?

[rose holly]

lot of ppl get 1x30 or ez meds at zon

much higher variance

[ornate solstice]

1x30 is stupid

[rose holly]

i like to think its more consistent around the higher end of meds

[ornate solstice]

But i think catbox has some hatred towards zon

[rose holly]

k softie

[lost leaf]

first ever intern pip

[rose holly]

na

[nocturne estuary]

CTCTCTCTCTCTCTCTCTCTCTCTC

[rose holly]

i just call all c++ positions core dev

so i dont have to say im swe

im diffy

[lost leaf]

peak cope, once a swe always a swe

[nocturne estuary]

core dev sounds worse than swe

[rose holly]

bruh

[nocturne estuary]

core dev = the cpp that runs on your car radio

[lost leaf]

too busy being algo dev?

smh

[nocturne estuary]

quant dev

[lost leaf]

notice how swes hate being called swes

[nocturne estuary]

i think its just the cat guy

[lost leaf]

[stoic willow]

So what's the average cooldown for HFTs? I have a job and an interview offer so was considering going in without any prep. Bad idea?

[rose holly]

its just very general

[stoic willow]

Any places that blacklist?

[nocturne estuary]

citadel is a year cooldown i think

if that helps

[rose holly]

id even take c++ dev over just swe

[ornate solstice]

Yes lol

[nocturne estuary]

how is swe different from any of the other roles you mention?

[rose holly]

swe can be anything

frontend, backend, infra, in different languages and tech stacks

[stoic willow]

You think I'll be blacklisted?

Maybe I'll delay as much as possible and read a CPP book

[lost leaf]

calling yourself a c++ dev to feel unique is like looking down on minimum wage workers getting $1 an hour more

[ornate solstice]

Just always a bad idea to not prep lol