quants-n-traders

[rose holly]

being 100% financially dependent, even as a HS senior, really sucks

like

i cant buy anything i want

[final forge]

man I wasn’t financially independent until like 3mo ago, I get it, but it’s p normal lol

[rose holly]

ive never even had a job

which might not be normal

[final forge]

Like unless ur getting a bunch of aid smth like that, you’ll probably be somewhat financially dependent on your family in college barring exceptional circumstances.

I never had a job in hs, no idea what the stats are

I only career related jobs

[rose holly]

career related jobs only

might as well just do the same as you

[final forge]

If you don’t need to take other jobs it’s just dandy

Lmao some friend of friend spent their entire zon earnings on gatcha

insane

[broken thorn]

are u solvent yet

if so,

[final forge]

Sent this to the homies today

I’m living the American dream

[broken thorn]

only 6k in the hole

[broken thorn]

thast so boring, if ur gonna waste 20k u can get way cooler stuff

pay a hooker to dress up as the jpeg

[clear sparrow]

2d>3d

[final forge]

Prooobably only like 15 net living expenses

[smoky fjord]

My Zon friend spent his entire signing bonus on GME

[broken thorn]

100% of people who say this are copium to the max

[final forge]

That could be great or not great lmao

[final forge]

2d>>3d no contest absolute domination

[broken thorn]

bruh

[final forge]

2^n>>n^2 same energy

[broken thorn]

lmfao

n=0 for both of us tho

wait it still holds holy shit

[final forge]

smh u don’t know me

[smoky fjord]

He bought @ $10 before the spike but never sold

ape af

[final forge]

that’s actually still W by a fair amount I think

Mfer dumb for not dumping still tho

[smoky fjord]

yeah he's up like 200-300% so not too shabby

[broken thorn]

wow, n^2>2^n between 2 and 4 exclusive

thats insane

the only takeaway is that 2d harems scale faster which is true

[final forge]

nerd

I only look at the limits I know what I’m about

[clear sparrow]

U should quit cs and do ib

[broken thorn]

i like working 1/4 the hours for 2/3 the pay

sell me this pen

[clear sparrow]

How rich are your parents?

That’s what they ask

[floral locust]

@rose holly

[broken thorn]

can presitge substitute wealth here

[floral locust]

is hrt or js more relevant exp for kkr analyst?

[dapper iris]

so much copium in this chat its unreal

[floral locust]

go back to eating sushi

[final forge]

chae gonna be the first self made finance kpop billionaire I have faith

[dapper iris]

too poor for sushi nowadays 😔

[clear sparrow]

My friend has two internships lined up without any real interview

[floral locust]

don't u get paid soon?

[dapper iris]

i eat ramen now

[broken thorn]

quant side

[floral locust]

have u been to high five?

yea

[dapper iris]

nope

[dapper iris]

nah

[floral locust]

it was solid when i went but all ramen is kinda in the pretty good region lol

imagine being able to select ur school on teh 5r dropdown menu 😩

that's y i just emailed recruiter so i wouldn't have to go through shame of putting "other" again

[dapper iris]

yeah i havent been to many good ramen places but i always thought ippudo was one of the best (in ny)

[floral locust]

yea it's like 3.5 cutoff probably?

[dapper iris]

why do u think it was bc of the gpa

[floral locust]

my friend interned at js and got auto rejected from cit too when he troll applied

[dapper iris]

getting interviews is kinda rng

[floral locust]

cit qr cause u can do 2 year nc and go back to school

[dapper iris]

why would u willingly want to go back to school

[floral locust]

to learn

[dapper iris]

oh

[lost stratus]

what about self learn

[dapper iris]

forgot what that feels like

school is good tho i respect ppl who like classroom learning

[floral locust]

kk pre analyst then

[final forge]

I’m vibing, cold as heck but kinda nice change of pace

Work is meh but whatever

[stray lava]

does anyone know how much volant pays?

[rose holly]

it asks for your MIT gpa

[clear grove]

lol

i actually know someone not from mit who got 5r interview

kinda rare tho

[novel python]

will cit reinterview next year after failing phone?

[chrome zinc]

Close to 0 what

For trading?

UT Austin too I think

Caltech too

I think Princeton too

You go to Princeton?

Cool

Makes sense

Gpa not too bad

Sounds solid

[flat bough]

hello victor if youre reading this

[dense canopy]

Does it work?

As long as someone has 3.5+ they’ll be fine?

[barren steeple]

5r started recruiting outside too now

i know like 5 ppl whi got jntervires from ut/berk/mich

[quasi orbit]

they dont like uiuc for some reason

[rose holly]

money

[dense canopy]

Can I get interview with lower rank state school?

[dense canopy]

You go to a target school, why are you worrying about not hearing back I’m confused

I feel like you’re just tryna flex tbh

Lies

@robust totem uk anything about 5r?

Not even that good of a firm tbh

[spare rover]

Necessary but not sufficient

[tulip sapphire]

😮 are you still in pton rn

i am as well rn lol

we should do a server meetup!

jk cant go outside rn, too busy coding up some personal projects 🥲 but maybe later next month

[thorny gate]

what type of personal projects do you do, are they mostly systems level?

I feel like most systems level projects are some toy tool and they sound a lot like school projects

[zealous pendant]

Anyone know how Akuna and Old Mission compare for trader?

[rose holly]

Wdym by systems projects

An operating system wouldn’t be a small project

[zealous pendant]

Got it, do you know anything about the style/type of trading between them well? I know Akuna is semi systematic options mostly similar to Optiver, and OMC is like anything semi systematic basically but a lot of etfs.

[floral locust]

There are basically two main schools of trading, one school is like game theory oriented trading where you take on a lot of risk and that’s like sig js omc 5r cit
The other school is where you try to stay flat and you don’t wanna take a lot of risk and instead use good systems to do a lot of the volume and that’s like the dutch firms and Akuna

[zealous pendant]

Thanks that makes sense, is it cool if I dm you?

[fast gazelle]

kernal sanders

[floral locust]

Js has more mit than 5r

5r is like 20-25% mit probably

Yes by proportion

Pltr > js for mit tho @rose holly

[rose holly]

i think it was mostly princeton/MIT actually, at least all the swes seem to be from those two schools

[lime flume]

I interviewed for 5r trading 2 years ago

Duke student

[floral locust]

HRT HRT HRT HRT HRT

[lime flume]

Do you know sign on

[stray lava]

palantir?

[dense canopy]

RESPONDDDDDDDDD

[floral locust]

what's in the box

be careful opening the box the confetti gets everywhere lol

i swear so many people have the sweatshirt

they give them out like candy

[rose holly]

I never said it was

[floral locust]

have u watched the remakes?

it's ez to say this when you're already on the highest smh

yea I enjoyed them, movies 1&2 follow the og episodes p closely and then 3rd and 4th do new stuff

[broken thorn]

do any quant places have wfh

[dapper iris]

yes

on a case by case basis prob

[thorny gate]

by systems project I mean anything that I think is in the systems level, like writing a web server or tiny database

[rose holly]

I thought systems level meant kernel/OS level

Or embedded systems projects

I think these kinds of projects can get way more challenging than higher level projects

There’s a shit ton of work that goes into writing an OS, or a hypervisor, or in some cases device drivers

[spare rover]

That’s the decision boundary that all unis I know follow

[cloud spear]

y'all think 3.6 gpa is enough to not get rejected by a quant firm b/c of gpa?

[limpid nacelle]

no you need at least 3.61

[hasty hill]

@lyric loom stop doing

When u dont know what ur even talking about

[floral locust]

why sig

[feral topaz]

From my interviewing for SWE intern SIG seems pretty great for SWE now

They def made some upgrades

Interviewers saying they haven’t been in the office that late in over a year (it was 4 pm). Free lunch/breakfast. Huge pay rise (I’ve heard 260 for NG which is in line w someone I know interviewing there w 1 YOE’s offer)

I’m not really sure why SIG has the bad rep tho can someone enlighten me? Is it just because sig was low paying before?

Ah gotcha

How’s it compare now that NG seems to be like 220-260?

I know it used to be like 130

[floral locust]

HRT HRT HRT HRT HRT

Opt us and ams are two separate entities

[broken thorn]

does john optiver still own both branches?

[floral locust]

John Optiver is not a real person

[feral topaz]

I gotcha, yeah I got good WLB vibes from them and they seemed nice

[broken thorn]

isnt that guy a football coach

[floral locust]

I think opt ams is a bit more intense than us considering they’re more position taking and have higher cut rates like 50% yr 1

[final forge]

130? literally couldn't employ a rock at those wages during boom times 💀

[floral locust]

HRT HRT HRT HRT HRT

[final forge]

tbh culture is yuge but fuck if I know how to vet it

have friends that can tell you if it's good lmao

[feral topaz]

Well 3/6 of the people interviewing me were women in management positions

[final forge]

I don't have enough info to shit on anything ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel heron]

[broken thorn]

DOD

[steel heron]

Ivan Marketmaker

company

[floral locust]

I joined this industry to help provide liquidity to pension funds and retail

Gas

[steel heron]

i need to find the article on how joe rogan and blackstone are destroying america again

[rose holly]

does writing the putnam exam

help ur case?

[broken thorn]

why not use your own paycheck to line the pockets of republicans? now thats effective altruism

[steel heron]

free merch

[rose holly]

thats enuf for me

enuf *reason

[steel heron]

free donuts at my school

[rose holly]

OH EVEN BETTER

[floral locust]

Isn’t it blackrock?

[steel heron]

Yea

[rose holly]

time to prepare for putnam

[steel heron]

idk anything about this shit

but the article was super funny

i thought one of them owned the other

[broken thorn]

blackrock is the one that conspires to hurt the poor by buying high and selling low

[steel heron]

i see

[broken thorn]

thats funy

thats like two sigma having an offshoot called two ligma

or balck pebble

[floral locust]

Two Stigma

[broken thorn]

true sigma

[steel heron]

jane street

[feral topaz]

Yeah renege zon for it

Gotta send zon renege email soon here

[royal forge]

Whats the intern comp for swe

[feral topaz]

65/hr + 10k sign on bonus

[royal forge]

Pretty good

[feral topaz]

Yea

[quasi orbit]

wait for an hft that's kinda low

isnt it?

[feral topaz]

Idek

Idrk*

I’ve only heard of the crazy HFT

Nobody talks about the other ones lol

But I mean comes out to roughly $90/hr overall someone was saying

So I don’t think it’s very low

Yeah cuz 10 weeks

400 hours

10,000/400 + 65

Is 90

Plus lunch is a paid hour so you tend to get like 5 hours OT at 1.5x they said per week lol

[barren steeple]

i saw u say somehwere u were doing millenium

how much does that pay

[quasi orbit]

naw I was just confused cuz on levels it seems to be around 100 an hour

but maybe that’s just for quants

[barren steeple]

o

yeah

how much does millenium pay tho

j curious

[quasi orbit]

it said around 150k a year

do you go to UT? Ur name seems familiar

[barren steeple]

yes

im @smoky gulch friend

[quasi orbit]

oh word I can relate I also have a friend who’s handicapped

[feral topaz]

Oh 100 at sig is for traders yeah

[quasi orbit]

I mean like that’s why they say sometimes SWE is like ur a second class citizen

[violet glen]

other than hrt what are the firms where this is not the case

[quasi orbit]

Apparently sig

[clear grove]

any systematic shop?

[gentle meadow]

simping is bad

[broken thorn]

why does the person singing in ur banner have 2 tongues

[gentle meadow]

I’m example of what not to do

[gentle meadow]

dw bout it

[dense canopy]

Tc?

[gentle meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/lycoris-recoil-takina-takina-inoue-surprised-rocky-horror-picture-show-gif-26406896

[rose holly]

FAANG vs Quant

What’s better to work at

[clear sparrow]

investment banking>>>>>>

[cloud spear]

obviously more $ = more better

[floral locust]

im making a blog for unemployment

[cloud spear]

call it AA

[clear sparrow]

Make one about nepotism

[lost stratus]

is HBK (https://www.hbk.com/) a good quant firm? either for tc or resume value in terms of other quant firms?

[cloud spear]

he pulled himself up by by the bootstraps

[steel heron]

I heard HBK -> Whalur is somewhat common

I think HBK is higher EV than Boerboel even

it depends on the year

last year there were 5 MIT students at HBK

Yeah, its pretty impressie

[lost stratus]

every name I said has a public linkedin profile and/or a website

[limpid nacelle]

My fellow quant simps, how is the grind going?

[steel heron]

manages money => quant firm

[broken thorn]

monke is a scam they dont get toilet paper

[cloud spear]

so true, make sure to especially reject overwatch

[broken thorn]

donut shaped brain

500 wpm

[cloud spear]

sounds like cope, I'll be here next week for the relapse

wow

cmu grind really that big

oh

[broken thorn]

def gotta find a game thats more fun than it is addicting, even if it is both

[cloud spear]

play dark souls

[lost stratus]

do you know anything about the firm? iv seen it grouped in with other quant firms on random wso posts and all i could find is that they did credit trading or something but I saw a bunch of people on linkedin from there join another quant firm after so idk what to think about them

[cloud spear]

ez

[floral locust]

play Baba is You

[broken thorn]

lots of games are fun as hell but far too addicting

genshin too addictigg

[cloud spear]

wtf you're playing all the degen games

I bet you play league too

do you play tft

[floral locust]

a lot of streeters play i

[broken thorn]

personally smash bros is more fun than afficting to me so i do that

[cloud spear]

hmmm

[floral locust]

ez interview

[dapper iris]

I play tft

[cloud spear]

what other degen popular games are there

[dapper iris]

Does anyone wanna teach me new tft set

[floral locust]

anyone who frequents wso is sketch

[cloud spear]

you already have overwatch and genshin

it's hard to get more degen than that

unless you play other gatcha games

[broken thorn]

genshin mona climbing

[cloud spear]

absolutely not

[broken thorn]

gives league a run for its money

[cloud spear]

overwatch > league == genshin

[steel heron]

genshin impact seems like the most

[cloud spear]

on the degen scale

[broken thorn]

for inting or flaming

[dapper iris]

Agreed

[cloud spear]

case 1 for why ow is more degen than league: the amount of porn

[floral locust]

league and trader skill have strong corr

i dont play

[cloud spear]

case 2 for why ow is more degen than league: you're paying money to have a bad time in ow1

[broken thorn]

im garbage at league rip

[dapper iris]

which game has driven more ppl mentally insane

[cloud spear]

ow has higher percentage

league more by number

[broken thorn]

i think i just have negative mechanics in lol tho

[dapper iris]

when you play league you’re paying for mental hospital costs man

idk why i have to explain this

[floral locust]

i just play val

[dapper iris]

i was driven to be a disco nunu player at some point

[cloud spear]

I absolutely do

[broken thorn]

@quiet meadow 1/5 games are fun, 4/5 make u hate ur life. its literally gambling to play

[dapper iris]

if anyone knows what that is

[cloud spear]

the fact ow has voice chat alone makes it more degen than league

[broken thorn]

vc is dope

[steel heron]

dota 2 or starcraft or league

[floral locust]

league makes u a fast typer

[broken thorn]

starcraft too

[dapper iris]

ok but ngl no voice chat game ive played has been more toxic than league game chat

[cloud spear]

the first two you mentioned are so irrelevant idk anything about them

other than the fact dota 2 is a league clone

[steel heron]

LOL

[dapper iris]

im an exception i guess 😔

[broken thorn]

not too bad imo, its ranked so u just play with shitters till u improve

but dont play

srriusly

[steel heron]

dota 2 has voice chat

and is more toxic than league

[cloud spear]

sounds pretty degen then

dota 2 sounds like boomers being toxic tho

which sounds less degen

[steel heron]

its more like

eastern europeans

yelling at you

[broken thorn]

league>genshin because ur losses are limited to like 6k usd in skins, thoughts on this logic?

[cloud spear]

league > genshin as in league less degen than genshin?

[floral locust]

money value of time

[cloud spear]

spoken like a true experienced degen

[broken thorn]

genshin u can lose unlimited money, right

[cloud spear]

yes

[dapper iris]

someone had to say it…

[cloud spear]

he's right

[dapper iris]

if i spent all the hrs ive spent on league on something else id actually be cracked

[cloud spear]

also clearly only good video games are souls-like and skyrim

the two most relevant genre of games

[floral locust]

uber eats...

[dapper iris]

also i remember ppl used to tell me if you’ve spent 10k hrs on something you’d master it or something

thats the most cope thing ive heard in my life

[cloud spear]

more like if you've spent 10k hours you're too braindead to realize you're bad

[broken thorn]

this must suck, is it possible to get a voice changer to stoner man for these games

[cloud spear]

people who play like

8+ hours of ow comp a day

are genuinely mentally ill to me

[steel heron]

if you use a voice changer you get clowned on

[floral locust]

most of the shitters at the casino have spent >10k hours lmao

[cloud spear]

I've played like 1 hour of ow comp

[broken thorn]

LMAO

[cloud spear]

and it's so mentally draining

[broken thorn]

the jig is up

[cloud spear]

playing 1 hour of ow comp is more depressing than any exam

just tell them you went through reverse puberty

ez

[broken thorn]

sounds like u just need a better coice changer

if i were woman who addicted to csgo id prob do that

[cloud spear]

agreed

play all the dark souls games

and be based

[floral locust]

just dont comm in csgo

[dapper iris]

I have 5k hrs in csgo

[floral locust]

teammates dont listen to info anyways

[dapper iris]

and have never made it out of silver

[broken thorn]

i have 700 hrs only

[cloud spear]

csgo and val are their own hole of degeneracy

who tf enjoys memorizing linesup

[broken thorn]

thats more the rankinf system fault imo

[cloud spear]

that's the most boring shit known to man

[lost stratus]

does anyone know if Radkl(https://radkl.io/ )has a seperate hiring pipeline than GTS since theyre from the same firm?

[broken thorn]

nah theyre ok imp

imo

[floral locust]

Radix at home:

[broken thorn]

esp valorant

[cloud spear]

nah learning to get good in those games

[broken thorn]

cuz val u dont memorize smokes

[cloud spear]

is so boring to me

[dapper iris]

bruh no one knows these firms

[cloud spear]

val you have to memorize some smokes and lineups still tho

[broken thorn]

u just click the map and the smoke goes there

[cloud spear]

then if you dont play for a while, you have to spend time re-memorizing

and it's so boring

[floral locust]

it doesn't take that long to practice

[cloud spear]

only val character I've ever played was sova because I'm the most based man alive

[dapper iris]

wait i feel like if u just outaim everyone it doesnt matter right

like why do u need to know lineups in silver

[broken thorn]

in csgo u have to squat on a trash can point ur cursor 1/3 from the sun to a helicopter at 1:43 second mark and then bind jump throw and run to the same key

[cloud spear]

only fun part of val is obviously killing people with sova darts

[broken thorn]

val is much simpler for lineups

[floral locust]

csgo lineups aren't that bad if u play the map enough

like the window smoke on mirage should be second nature

[cloud spear]

ok but that means you have to play a fuckton

[broken thorn]

mirage nest smoke is the hardest thinf ever

oh guess im just bas

[floral locust]

it only works on 128 tick

[broken thorn]

bad

[floral locust]

for the common lineups

[dapper iris]

i refuse to buy nades until i can drop 40 every game in silver

[broken thorn]

jfc

[floral locust]

in 64 tick i just smoke cat molly window and then teammate smokes from boxes

[broken thorn]

where does teammate amoke?

the stairs to A?

[dapper iris]

i think csgo is harder to improve at tho

[floral locust]

idts

[dapper iris]

league is harder to start

[broken thorn]

just click heads

[floral locust]

aim isn't that important, like aim training doesn't help that much

it's much more important to have good crosshair placement

[broken thorn]

in cs?

ye

[floral locust]

and be able to isolate angles

[dapper iris]

if aim isnt important why do all the goats have insane aim

[broken thorn]

man i want to play csgo again

fuck

[dapper iris]

like isnt simple one of the best bc of his aim

not bc of his nades

[floral locust]

i do need to get better at movement tho

[dapper iris]

or bs

[broken thorn]

cs movement is super complex innit

[cloud spear]

as in they're higher or lower?

[floral locust]

sure but like everyone at the top has good aim

what rly separates them are stuff outside just pure mechanics

[broken thorn]

simple is carried by luck

[steel heron]

yes

[broken thorn]

the noscope on the green map

[cloud spear]

🧢

[broken thorn]

reworked commie map

i cant rember the name

[floral locust]

cache

[dapper iris]

league isnt mechanics nowadays either tho

[broken thorn]

ye

[dapper iris]

its all teamplay

[steel heron]

i agree

[broken thorn]

if i go for that in cache i miss the noscope

[dapper iris]

riot removes more individual skill from the game every year

[cloud spear]

league mechanics are ez, just don't play jungler and don't die

[steel heron]

people are like "X CHAMPION TAKES NO SKILL" but the vast majority of skill is not really about your chajpions mechanics

[dapper iris]

and make it more of a team game

[steel heron]

same reason wy you can look at good player replays and think "wow i could do that"

[broken thorn]

prob with leafue is people get carried by broken champs and then riot think theyre balanced cuz all the players are boosted glue eaters

[steel heron]

even tho u cant

[dapper iris]

unless you’re significantly better than your teammates only like 20-30%ish of games is actually in your control in league

maybe less

[cloud spear]

ow learning curve sucks because you actually need to care about what your team is doing

[fringe flint]

As an ex semi-pro league player, the game is legit just fancy chess

Once u sink 1000 hours in its just the same shit every game

[broken thorn]

ye, a saying goes that league is 40% games u win no matter what, 40% games u lose no matter what, and 20% yp to ur skill

unless ur dopa and get 80% korean challenger winrar

[steel heron]

if youre not good enough to control the games in your elo then you deserve to be in your elo

[fringe flint]

Playing league of legends prepared me well for technical interviews because no matter if you get everything correct you will still lose

[dapper iris]

thats why ur goin places

[broken thorn]

even the best jungler will get 0/3 lanes won every now and then

and even if u camp top maybe bot feeds 6 kills

[dapper iris]

i learned more from league than college

[fringe flint]

My salary says otherwise

[cloud spear]

playing ow taught me multiplayer games are awful

well ow and val

[steel heron]

tf2 skill ceiling >> ow

[broken thorn]

wrestling taught me that any strategy u come up with goes out the window when ur stressed out

[cloud spear]

ok but tf2 looks ugly

[broken thorn]

brain turn off when stakes r high

[steel heron]

the best games have mid graphics

competitive*

[broken thorn]

smash melee and starcraft 1

[cloud spear]

obviously all boomer games

[steel heron]

starcraft 1 💀

[fringe flint]

Whatever money I don’t spend on Greek yogurt and Red Bull from my severely underpaid income sources goes into my multiple failed startups that I’m too insecure to let go of

[cloud spear]

just start a crypto startup ez

[broken thorn]

sc1 has a resurgence its got a separate playerbase

[steel heron]

starcraft players are built different

[cloud spear]

who

did retirement homes finally install pcs

[steel heron]

Lol

[fringe flint]

Atp yea that shits just free money

[cloud spear]

clearly the most skilled competitive game of all time

is the one

and only

hearthstone

only gigachads play hearthstone arena

[fringe flint]

If I go bankrupt I’ll just “get murdered” and move to morocco

[steel heron]

kripparian

[broken thorn]

hs->quant pipeline

[cloud spear]

based

maybe one day I'll get back into hearthstone

[broken thorn]

play mtg imo

hs is solitaire

cuz no instants

[cloud spear]

nah mtg sounds too annoying to learn

[broken thorn]

mtg and runeterra have interaction

mtg super simple

[steel heron]

pay to win apm priest -> jane street

[broken thorn]

if u know hs

[fringe flint]

Do quants diversity hire?

[steel heron]

💀

[floral locust]

Not rly

[cloud spear]

take a look at a quant class photo

and make a guess from that

lmao

quant group intern photos I've seen are like

all asians

[steel heron]

maybe a white kid

[broken thorn]

i mean obviously there are intricacies but u dont need to know a lot of obscure timings and rules to be good

[fringe flint]

Yea I thought the same too but I look at quants LinkedIn pages and I see a surprising amount of women and non Asians

[cloud spear]

a white dude and an asian woman are like the most diversity I've seen in quant group photos

really

I saw a picture of an HRT intern group photo

[broken thorn]

white in quant = diversity hire

[cloud spear]

and it was all asians lmao

[broken thorn]

can i say this if im white

[steel heron]

probably

[broken thorn]

what about caroline

white + woman

[steel heron]

if youre autistic you cant be a diversity hire

[cloud spear]

this is the photo I saw in another chat https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/9KgRML4vAHYAzKXjSINidxDzt9oCUVyPJIcTtJj_Sxk/https/www.hudsonrivertrading.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Campus-Community.jpg?width=1193&height=671

lmaooo

[fringe flint]

I’ll show up to my cit round with my tats earrings and bleached hair then they will faint

[floral locust]

Oh this is 2021 right

[broken thorn]

why they get blue shirts

[cloud spear]

lmao

nice

[steel heron]

Nice im never getting into hrt

after seeing this

[broken thorn]

the two token hires

[steel heron]

you can see the iq gap

visually

[cloud spear]

I remember also seeing a photo of an IMC Intern group

[floral locust]

…

[cloud spear]

and it was basically all asians

[steel heron]

their website has hella white people advertised

[cloud spear]

sounds about right

[steel heron]

whitewashing scandal

[cloud spear]

also I've made this joke before

but I saw somewhere on TS they said something like

"We're super diverse! We have math competition winners, computing winners, and even competitive programming winners!"

[broken thorn]

LMAO

[fringe flint]

Only reason why they hired 2 women and 2 white boys is so the 1 wouldn’t get lonely

[steel heron]

Noahs ark

[broken thorn]

omg

[floral locust]

I think it’s just cause the hs competitions themselves are disproportionately Asian and male and those people tend to apply to and do well in interviews

[cloud spear]

i wish I could find where on TS I found that quote

[steel heron]

one is the token diversity hire. two is a pattern

[floral locust]

Some sort of network effect too probably

[broken thorn]

ye devg

its mostly that prolly

cuz how u gonna compete with a olympiad hs person

[cloud spear]

tbh it's also discounted just how huge the asian population is in the world

[fringe flint]

This is why I have an Indian boyfriend

[broken thorn]

huge globally but smaller in america

unless most hired are international

[cloud spear]

eh I feel like even in america it's pretty big

i imagine international hires are also a pretty big portion

[broken thorn]

its like 5% according to google

ye @rustic wind international innit

[cloud spear]

si

[broken thorn]

she aint the average person from her country either i would have to guess

[cloud spear]

actually random question @rustic wind

as an international student

do you easily get along with the super rich international students

or no

since I always notice the giga rich international students group together super hard at places

and it feels impossible to talk to them

fair

wasn't sure if they accept you into their clique or not

[floral locust]

Money is op

[broken thorn]

how was school system did u have to take exams to get into middle school

ive heard some crazy stories like that

[cloud spear]

but like also

there's like an aura

rich international students have

right

[broken thorn]

dont rhe giga rich have that

[cloud spear]

huh

i forget did you say you came from china or vietnam

it was one of those two I feel

nice

wait so did you do the gaokao

also

[broken thorn]

did u take gaokao

[cloud spear]

I feel like the clothes I always seen on rich asian dudes

is like

super white hoodies or white clothes in general

idk if that's just me or not

[broken thorn]

why not take it for bragging rights

[cloud spear]

oh ok

[broken thorn]

like taking SAT and going to test optional school

[cloud spear]

gaokao is like the main reason I'm glad my parents immigrated

since that shit sounds so stressful

I would've died from the stress

since gaokao is like

[broken thorn]

is gaokao actually hard if ur smart

[cloud spear]

so much higher pressure than the SATs right

in how much it's weighed

[broken thorn]

cuz like sats are free

ive seen some

[cloud spear]

but like gaokao is worth a lot more since chinese colleges only consider test score right

[broken thorn]

but i can only imagine they learn how to solve those tough problems

[cloud spear]

ah the classic

I got those on the toilet the other day

also wait random other question

is there a reason chinese people on linkedin really like the white background profile pics

or is that a mystery

interesting

since the first time I encountered the white background photos was exclusively from chinese bots on linkedin

then I learned people in China actually used them

I assumed anyone with a white background was a bot

for so long

[limpid nacelle]

Pretty much all stem disciplines

[cloud spear]

sounds like most hsers

ik some kids went to insane hs though

ik a hs kid whose school was like super STEM focused

[broken thorn]

the problems are solvable if u learn the material right? like i cant solve the gaokao questions but ive never even seen a similar question before to some of thrm

[cloud spear]

he took like advanced level math and specialized cs courses in hs

which was crazy to me

[limpid nacelle]

I guess you will always find someone super cracked. Look at the god of math

[broken thorn]

is it like lc or algos class then

ye like i cant do this but i also dont know what a revolution is in this context

do they mean when it ends up at same point as before or something

how is it compared to lc or quant questions

is it as simple as "learn the patterns then apply them"

[limpid nacelle]

Geometry is kinda lame for day to day life and quant

[broken thorn]

i thought gaokao was national

[clear sparrow]

reusing their passport photo?

[broken thorn]

geometry is an exercise in masochism you can usually solve irl geometry questions with other math 100x easier

euclids elements vs trigonometry

[limpid nacelle]

You need a filter right

[broken thorn]

filter,m

[limpid nacelle]

China chose geometry

[broken thorn]

?

ah

filters are wack but we do need them

cuz if theres too many qualified ppl

if only there was enough hc for all qualified to get in to everywheere

[rose holly]

[floral locust]

Serious or trolling

[broken thorn]

chae algo dev pog?

i would not word it this way but he does look like he could pass for not being a quant

[steel heron]

Thats me

[broken thorn]

"i work in finance" and they assume he in pe

[broken thorn]

liar where is the fish and the squinting smile cuz the suns in ur eyes

[steel heron]

what fish

new linkedin profile new me

[broken thorn]

still applied "math"

[steel heron]

my transcript says pure math with 2 classes in numerical analysis

at least

[broken thorn]

change ur linekdin then

impure math is a red flag

might as well be a cs major at that point

[steel heron]

Fine

Ill just remove the applied part on my degree

when i get my diploma

[broken thorn]

ye

[steel heron]

with whiteout

Bachelor of Science in Mathematics

[broken thorn]

just do what better caul saul did

swap the name and use a copy machine

[steel heron]

[broken thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvVs_KW6krA

have u seen this @steel heron

[cloud spear]

idk when this is from

just saw the picture posted elsewhere

[lost stratus]

https://www.anticapital.ai/

https://jobs.lever.co/AntiSocialSocialCapital

Does anyone know anything about this firm? Linkedin says their founder is ex-tower

[cloud spear]

where are you finding all the nichest firms known to man

[lost stratus]

There are alot more than are more secretive, i only find the ones that have public profiles so like mainly linkedin

[cloud spear]

are you just looking up every company with capital in its name

[lost stratus]

No that doesnt usualy work, i usually search hft quant or "proprietary trading" but that doesnt always work either

[cloud spear]

huh

also lmao wtf are these pay ranges

so you're either gonna be doing well

or broke

[lost stratus]

But also just going down well known quant firms and searching by "past company" helps find people at smaler ones

Like the founder guy was ex tower so when i was looking at people who used to work at tower he came up

[dim spade]

figured you could be ng but still not a lot of that either

[lost stratus]

Yeah im trying for FT

But for the smaller firms, they dont always advertise an internship but its still possible to get if you cold email them

[dim spade]

wouldn't smaller firms be even more selective at times though lol

[lost stratus]

Thats more true about small firms like radix or headlands

But not the lesser known / not as high performing firms like dv trading, tanius or something

[floral locust]

this is 2021, they were 2022

[final forge]

No cuz it’s literally not true lmao

[broken thorn]

yes i am joking

its ofc false

oops that it didnt seem that way from my message\

[final forge]

idk legit confused like saying are asian quants a diversity hire? obv no

idk in some other areas u can make an argument lmao

[broken thorn]

no im literally making a joke

i dont think this

[final forge]

ya I get it, just didn’t catch it

or like was confused lol

I’ve been in dev jobs with like ~0 white people lmao so this kinda diff

[hasty hill]

Ur not white?

Bro???

White sheik mains are the best tho!!!

[broken thorn]

what no i am white

im saying the thing about white ppl in quant being diversity is the joke

[broken thorn]

bruh

wtf im trying to think of a nonwhite sheik now

[broken thorn]

leffen!

hes half swedish and a sheik duo main now (), that must count

spark too

jflex hispanic

[sand willow]

guys

is there a quant server

apart from just thi

[quasi orbit]

yes

[sand willow]

WTF

[lost stratus]

it lets you ask the recruiter for feedback though

why would they reject then

besides headcount or something

[dapper iris]

dont wanna make u feel bad but thats usually cope otherwise they wouldnt have interviewed u anyways

they mean after interviewing u they thought u didnt know enough (aka not enough experience) because they know you learn a lot each yr of college

fair thats especially true at larger places perhaps

but at places where they have actual engineers evaluate ur resume its different

Sure but if you’re actually cracked on the interview and no other issues than it usually doesn’t matter

in any case my point is experience=knowledge

yeah thats self eval

thats a whole other story

id agree usually self eval is pretty random

sure but im referring to receiving feedback from the interviewer as “not enough experience”

sure but its usually known

and unless u capped they would know beforehand

thats because they want to hire ppl as new grads right after and they know on avg juniors know more

sure i mean there are obviously cases that are random but in most cases thats the logic thats used

also most places usually dont give feedback or lie/give generic feedback because they dont want to be sued for random shit

oh then in this case yeah the recruiter probably didnt know they only wanted jrs for that team

not ur fault

ok then that just means u were good enough?

if anything it enforces my point lol

ok and u got the offer which is what i was saying

💀

like its a guideline not a rule in most cases

[hallow shoal]

100% one of my close friends got called to reject. They just said it was a hard decision. blah blah etc.

[floral locust]

idt jump is hc capped

[barren steeple]

yes

recruiter is a menace

i think he finds joy in rejectein gyou to ur face

[floral locust]

wow

the jump recruiters i've interacted w/ so far have seemed p good

is it the same recruiter for all swe and qr?

[barren steeple]

they are super nice

but like

one of the recruiters

pronably doesnt realize how hard hes baiting candidates

he always lables the email "Follow Up Zoom Call for next steps"

and rejects to ur face

[floral locust]

yea makes sense they could just be calling to be nice and have a more personal rejection

rather than seeming cold and callous

but could be worse off since they're baiting

[barren steeple]

yeah

next steps

is such

bait

lol

but also idk why they give the courtesy of being so nice to rejects

when they blacklilst them right after

imma apply next year as well

but really unlikely they get back to me

and everyone i know who failedin the past never heard back again

[hallow shoal]

next steps truly a bait lmao

[hallow shoal]

wait theyt blacklist

?

[barren steeple]

just my assumption

basedon that

i know like 5-10 ppl who failed after good final round performance and got ghosted the next year even after trying to contact same recruiter

im gonna do internship summer after I grad by saying im a december grad or doing integrated masters

cuz they dont do new grad

[floral locust]

They do it’s just super rare

And prob harder

[floral locust]

both

[quasi orbit]

why jump

lots of other firms out there

[hasty hill]

bro they can put me inside a box for that tc

wait is it nyc or chicago, the views are probably great anyways

[broken thorn]

id live in such shitty conditions for marginal improvements in tc

its not funny

id work from a pod hotel for 10k bump

[final forge]

why? also you can just rent a shittier place and save money yk

[nocturne estuary]

THRIVE CAPITAL

[broken thorn]

i dont value living conditions

as long as i have a laptop and a bed and earbuds to drown out the car horns

[final forge]

yk fair

what do you even want the money for tho

[broken thorn]

video game high score

[final forge]

u know tru that's the best reason

[hasty hill]

idk lol, tbh this server would be very good at crowdscourcing/compiling TC's

if there is demand i don't mind hosting a spreadsheet

but all it takes is one troll with edit privilege and we're fucked

i mean TC's for quant

and for some reason the overlap of trolls and quants is abnormally high

like it blows my mind

[broken thorn]

give CR privileges but not UD privileges

[hasty hill]

i cant code idk how

[final forge]

this makes perfect sense in my mind

[broken thorn]

quants are just annoying kids in high school with adhd right?

it should be overlap

[final forge]

damn wtf where's my quant money

[broken thorn]

ur broderline

almost quant money

but also more than tech money

[final forge]

literally less than a rescinded tech offer

[broken thorn]

cash is king

[final forge]

wlb is 💩

[barren steeple]

i mean firms worth it over like google?

imo is just like jump js hrt

maybe drw imc 2sig optiver

[tulip sapphire]

he loves crypto

o nvm

there's a few more firms worth

but ig some like radix dont hire enough to be talked about

is OMC winternship worth it if you arent from a school which aligns nicely (i.e. youd need to take a gap to do it)

[quasi orbit]

i mean i dont know too much about jump but isnt all it has over google just the tc

[barren steeple]

yes but if > tc for similar wlb

its worth

[tulip sapphire]

yes but Belvedere Trading pays more than google

[barren steeple]

not a lot of firms are > tc and not terrible wlb

maybe like first year

growth is probb ass too

[tulip sapphire]

but most people wouldnt take Belvedere over Google

[quasi orbit]

i mean who knows what their wlb is tho

like if ur at a firm ur almost guaranteed to have worse wlb than faang

[barren steeple]

well yeah

but if under 50/week not terrible for a few years

[quasi orbit]

i thought jump works the shit outta you

[barren steeple]

i mean i knew 3 interns and they all said around 45

but interns

so idk

[lost stratus]

what firms are > tc and bad wlb?

[barren steeple]

cit

i would never work at cit

even if offe was like 800k

[quasi orbit]

im p sure the ones with decent wlb is just js 2s and imc prob

from what i know

like if u rly want > wlb and better tc than google i think 2sigma is ur best bet

• u gotta consider not just wlb but like the work you do

ur guarantee to be under a lot more stress at firms even if ur still working < 50

[barren steeple]

every fulltime at imc says ~50

which is same as like drw desco jump

so ye

just 2s basically lol

[quasi orbit]

yeah but I mean to be fair as a new grad idk what else ur gonna do in life besides work

[barren steeple]

uh literally anything lol

i dont mind getting to work early or smth like 7-5

but i need to be able to leave strictly at 5 everyda lol

thats why i want to intern at quant first to see if its fine

befoe commiting to a fulltime job

[floral locust]

Hrt seems good

Wot

[fast gazelle]

amen

[quasi orbit]

do you have a wifey

[quasi orbit]

idk how much interning translates to full time tho

[fast gazelle]

🥜

doesn't pass the 2s recruiter test

[barren steeple]

over amazon id take literally any company

any tech company > amazon

[quasi orbit]

lowkey tho Amazon might be raising their hiring bar

[fast gazelle]

would you take infosys over amazon

[barren steeple]

💀

i know > 50 ppl who did amazon last summer

[quasi orbit]

I feel like a lot of ppl hype up Trading cuz of the tc but once they do it they realize it’s not for them

I’ve heard jump is straight leetcode tho

[barren steeple]

jump

is leetcode easy

but high hiring bar

[quasi orbit]

and reuses the same questions on their final

[barren steeple]

for sure

yes

easy questions high hiring bar

[quasi orbit]

just fill their diversity quota

[barren steeple]

final is basically a resume/background screen

they def dont care about diversity

lol

[quasi orbit]

send the libs on their ass

[barren steeple]

amazon might have easiest hiring bar ever bro

[barren steeple]

ye maybe also i think salaries will drop off in a few years but i just want to try if i like it, maybe do a few years go back to tech

[floral locust]

PDT progression seems good

[quasi orbit]

yeah that’s most likely the move

[floral locust]

Like it catches up to and might pass js hrt after a few years from what I’ve heard

[barren steeple]

other issue tho is i wanna live in chicago and if leave trading would have to move to another city for tech which would suck

[floral locust]

Yea, the type of work probably isn’t terribly interesting tho

[quasi orbit]

I rly wanna do a poll tho and see how many ppl at firms are able to successfully find/maintain a relationship

[barren steeple]

lowkey would be nice to just afk at a firm like imc

or 2s

but i dont like nyc

i wish 2s was in chciago

[quasi orbit]

idt u can afk at IMC lol

[barren steeple]

same ratio as tech

everyones a tryhard nerd

[quasi orbit]

I mean tech has better wlb tho

[barren steeple]

ehh doesnt matte

[quasi orbit]

like I remember everyone at google this summer leaving at 3 pm

[barren steeple]

wlb doesnt affect ability to find relationship lol

imo

unless its really bad wlb

yea

[quasi orbit]

ig

[fast gazelle]

at citadel, ken is your gf

[quasi orbit]

I can’t see myself living in Chicago tho

the weather is kinda ass

[floral locust]

Miami

[quasi orbit]

Ratchet

[barren steeple]

where would u want to be

cali/seattle seems ass cuz i would hate to be surrounded by all tech workers

but nyc 😭

i wouldnt mind nyc for early life

?

i thot they only had nyc office

but i would like to go in person

for work

oh shit really

i live in austin

two sig my new target firm

[quasi orbit]

Pull up nyc

[lost stratus]

where is ansatz and vatic

[quasi orbit]

Chicago is hella hyped up by interns cuz they haven’t lived thru winter

[barren steeple]

no ur weird

[quasi orbit]

fair enough I’m gonna be homeless anyway

[quasi orbit]

My dad said citadel is tryna move to Miami or smth

[floral locust]

They r

[barren steeple]

r u gonna be nyc this summer

boston nice lowkey want to get matched there for google

but kinda expensive, and google marks it as low cost of living aread which is stupid

[quasi orbit]

most likely yea

Couldn’t get the Miami office

This is fake cuz they’re all smiling

we all know engineers are dead inside

[barren steeple]

for who

cit?

[quasi orbit]

bruh background check’d me yesterday and now doesn’t remember it

[barren steeple]

badmemeory im an AI

[steel wedge]

how does ansatz even hire... idk anyone who landed an interview there

[lost stratus]

idk lol I tried applying and emailing and they told me they want to see more work exp

[steel wedge]

huh nice thats better than me i got ghosted lol

where did u intern?

[final forge]

I'm hyped for the blizzard that's allegedly coming this week

[lost stratus]

just big tech

unicorn/coinbase/fb

[steel wedge]

nice

[floral locust]

They interview some mit ug ik

[rose holly]

Imma be a quant at citadel within 3 months mark my words

[lost stratus]

oh wait I just looked at my emails, the person who replied said they wernt activly hiring for NG and they said the same last year so they probably only interviewed people who really really stood out

[steel wedge]

they seem pretty sick cause they sponsor cppcon youtube videos

[final forge]

I hope to god nobody aspires to be cpp core dev at a trading firm

[lost stratus]

why

[final forge]

well it's an unfair generalization

I find the work rather unpleasant

so technically I can't complain thaat much

I've worked on 3 diff majors repos in the ~2mo I've been working here so I've basically done the worst part 3 times and I want to take a long stroll off a tall cliff

[lost stratus]

1/2 as in 1 or 2 or half hour

[final forge]

half

[lost stratus]

lol my team at fb had a java thing that took 35-45 mins to build

[dapper iris]

sounds like skill issue

[final forge]

partially related to the tooling at my place being bad

[fast gazelle]

just hardcode the values in an array

[final forge]

tbh working at a trading firm is a skill issue

[fast gazelle]

did they basically create a hashmap with templates

[final forge]

u should just made ur own trading engine and print money fucking pleb

[quasi orbit]

honestly at that point just start ur own

[rose holly]

OpenAI trading

[barren steeple]

yo what are yall thoughts on low level cpp shit being so hard

like why make ur swe job so much harder

why not just do something easy

like i requested a low level cpp project at google to learn for hft

bu regretting

cuz i feel ike getting return offer will be wayy harder on this team than some random ass like ai or product backedn team

[quasi orbit]

Just learn it bruh

[rose holly]

It’s super fun

And it’s useful if ur going into cybersec or embedded

[final forge]

low level C++ is fun and it's called C :)

[rose holly]

C++ is just as low level as C

You can code in low level C sand nitpick some of the C++ features like namespaces or class member funcs

[final forge]

yes it's a joke

well no C++ fucks some random C stuff like implicit void* casts, but you're mostly right, I just really hate the C++ I work with

[barren steeple]

most hft work is low level cpp right

who voluntarily does low level work

its just way harder

likke why

[rose holly]

I don’t think so

[rose holly]

Me 🙂

[barren steeple]

💀

[rose holly]

Fun af

[final forge]

at my firm the C++ work you do will vary A LOT and probably isn't actually that low level like networking/systems stuff. the bulk of it is boring but relatively high performance-ish-kinda-please-end-my-suffering

[quasi orbit]

rly depends