#Patch 10.07 Discussion Thread

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tidal ravine
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An Email for Phoenix and a Voicemail from Tejo to Brim:

https://x.com/Shiick/status/1912202573345615897

https://x.com/Shiick/status/1912203260170993915

Voicemail transcript:

Brimstone, I reviewed the team's routine report on Omega activity. Something caught my eye. There is an increase in military grade energy production and transport. it is a behavior I have seen before when my clients in weapons R&D bring a project into full production. The Omega markets are different than ours, it is true, but I don't like the smell of it. Someone is building something hermano, something big. It behooves us to find out what.

Shiick (@Shiick) on X

Patch 10.07 email

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Shiick (@Shiick) on X

Patch 10.07 voicemail

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crude topaz
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so this new faction does leave Omega particles or why is it in the routine report for Omega activity?

tidal ravine
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Yeah that is why I am confused? so why didn't KJ detect it?

crude topaz
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simply because VP classes it as O-activity now?

obsidian rock
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The fact that it might be only the 14th time phoenix has ever contacted someone externally is so sad to me

crude topaz
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I swear it's no ATLAS

tidal ravine
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from what Tejo is saying I honestly think there is an increase in Omega energy production and I dont think any faction from Alpha could do it stealthily there

crude topaz
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because we know that ATLAS is unique to Omega

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torn ivy
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could these new uniforms have been developed specifically to avoid leaving behind Omega particles? otherwise why would they need to change uniforms?

crude topaz
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I want to see M. Adeyemi now, though. Riot, deliver.

torn ivy
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especially from a narrative standpoint

tidal ravine
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crude topaz
torn ivy
crude topaz
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why would VL and ATLAS fight though...

tidal ravine
tidal ravine
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I still am not convinced this is Atlas

torn ivy
tidal ravine
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it is possible that they are really an Omega faction but I still dont believe they are Atlas

crude topaz
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I simply don't want to believe it is an Omega faction because why would they make VP look so incompetent in all different sort of things these days...

torn ivy
crude topaz
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man I was so on board with the theory that these guys were the 'Alpha threat' all along and we might finally get some insight into the deeper layers of this conflict

tidal ravine
torn ivy
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I meant that in the cinematic, could it be the VP fighting this new group on an Omega map? Not the VL fighting them? Cause then the VL and this new group could still be working together

tidal ravine
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Let's get it all in one place here...the second mission cinematic we're going to get is going to be about these scenes:

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now are these Alpha agents? Are they Omega agents?

crude topaz
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I wonder if the big thing in the 3rd last image is the thing they need all this energy for

tidal ravine
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IF the Paris map is going to be on Omega, then the location for second mission ( the vast barren land place) is also most probably on Omega correct? Because of these pink crystals. They seem to be a sign of an environmental problem here, as they had also formed on the cathedral's roof too. IF this is the case then these might be Omega agents.

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Unless ofc something happens in the next act that gives us a clue about what these crystals are and if they exist on Omega too

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Now here is the thing... If the vast barren land thing is on Omega then the aggression is again taking place on Omega here, unless ofc they want to get this machine to Alpha

torn ivy
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It seems to me like the Paris places and the crystal fields are on Omega earth but the agents fighting are Alpha agents

tidal ravine
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Ok, listening to Tejo's voicemail again, it seems like the report Tejo is talking about is about the increase in energy production happening ON omega right?

torn ivy
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yes

tidal ravine
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alright what the heck then....

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How is it that this faction can pull off large scale transportation on both Alpha AND Omega?

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and stay under the radar?

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is VALORANT the only less than competent faction here? 😭

crude topaz
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seems so

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😔

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nd i hate it

torn ivy
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Thought:

Could it be the VL is working with this "atlas." they're building something that is related to these crystals. they need radianite to do it, but of course they have none. so theyre trying to steal our radianite. but theyve been super unsuccessful since we can track when the come to alpha earth. So they created some kind of way to not leave behind the omega particles that KJ uses to detect their coming and going.

so to fight them, we go to Omega earth Paris to put a stop to it?

torn ivy
tidal ravine
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the TP thing is another problem here...

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The pic you posted is one view of Omega TPs, this is another:

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And then there is this thing:

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So what we see in Alpha as teleportals is the old tech, this new tech doesn't need the whole large framework that we see

torn ivy
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right right

tidal ravine
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But then, this same faction is using the old tech here:

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If they are such resourceful faction why are they not using the super advanced ones?

torn ivy
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Good point

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This one seems a lot larger

tidal ravine
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apologies I'll be right back

torn ivy
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all good!

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Another interesting point is that this group in a Kingdom facility

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Could Kingdom only have the older tech while the VL has more advanced tech? Seems unlikey but I'm not sure

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but then why is ATLAS working with Kingdom?
Is Kingdom the mastermind behind this project and they're using ATLAS to go between the worlds to collect radianite?

crude topaz
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I see the more concrete evidence for more advanced teleportation means in the sunset trailer

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but then, even VP has more advanced teleportation means than the triangular portals, because did they not have the portable teleportation device for the lotus mission?

torn ivy
crude topaz
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give me a minute

torn ivy
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oh right the compact teleportal! jettOooo I forgot about that whoops

tidal ravine
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torn ivy
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torn ivy
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but I'm assuming this group would make the fuel on their own on omega if they had the radianite to make it, no?

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torn ivy
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this whole thing is so confusing still. we're missing puzzle pieces jettThink

tidal ravine
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it is... we still have all of the next act to build up on this plotline...

torn ivy
tidal ravine
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I guess this might be another agent, the map might come with VCT Paris?

torn ivy
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wait the email is sent to Phoenix.... but Brim is getting it on his computer?

tidal ravine
torn ivy
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Poor Phoenix literally gets no privacy either. I feel bad. Like I know its necessary because he's wanted and all but still phoenixCry

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Cypher is like "Steve" from the TikTok sound where its like "and its finally me and you, and you and me, just us. and you're friend Steve"

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Phoenix and his family.... and Cypher! Phoenix and his friend.... and Cypher!

torn ivy
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also - Tejo had old clients in weapons R&D! I wonder if he ever unknowingly worked with Chamber

obsidian rock
cunning isle
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I assume the “something big” is the tank thing we saw in the trailer?

torn ivy
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most likely

tidal ravine
torn ivy
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but it COULD be!

cunning isle
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It could very much be ngl

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Chief weapons designer

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You don’t get that job without dabbling in weaponry other than guns

torn ivy
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what if this is Omega Chamber's new project? the big chungus

cunning isle
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Actually

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Not far off

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A tank is just a very big gun in an armored box

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Well I say very big gun

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What’s that? The machine gun armed tanks in early WWII would like to have a word with me? Ok

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Brb guys

torn ivy
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LOL

cunning isle
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Oh hey there Elumi am back with a few extra bullet holes

torn ivy
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"it's just a flesh wound"

tidal ravine
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Ok I've been thunking

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I've already yapped about the theory of these guys being the "Alpha threat"... Let's now consider another possibility. that these guys are actually a new department inside Atlas on Omega. Ignoring the fact that KJ has failed to detect them for some reason, let's try and put this beside the other info we have now: the fact that Oran and Ruben have been arrested.

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Now I'd be building on top of another theory here so take this with a grain of salt but one possibility could be that Atlas ended up using Oran and Ruben's knowledge for the R&D phase of whatever they are building.

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and If Tejo is correct and this is actually supposed to be a weapon, then it could tie back to why fracture was blown up after all.

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lemme make the lore threado and continue after that... 🤔

cunning isle
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So Omega WERE weaponizing radianite after all?

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As in the Pearl cinematic mentioned by Brim

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Or was the Pearl intrusion the catalyst for Omega weaponizing radianite?

tidal ravine
cunning isle
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Wait

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I missed Ruben and Oran being caught

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Oh this changes a lot of things

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What if they reverse engineered Alpha particles off of Oran?

limpid briar
cunning isle
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And they used these particles to mask their Omega to Alpha trips?

tidal ravine
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yeah it is possible, Elumi suggested an engineered tech like this as well... still they have changed their logo too...

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I mean it still does look like an A and a teleporter as well...

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we'll see I guess

limpid briar
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But maybe it’s actually the 9th?

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Idk this designation is really weird to me

tidal ravine
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I think 09 is just Phoenix himself.

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he is agent 9

limpid briar
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Oh rite

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So probably the 114th

cunning isle
crude topaz
tidal ravine
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at least some people in K-Ind must know that most of Alpha doesn't know

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heck my reply click didn't register

limpid briar
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Idk the kerning on the font is weird

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The number looks monospace but the rest doesn’t

crude topaz
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strawbs your 'heck' is so cute

limpid briar
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Monospace/fixed-width font that is

cunning isle
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Because if they don't, the A logo could be a part of "hehe we're Alpha org with Alpha tech, don't mind meeeeee"

tidal ravine
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There is one other possibility here... idk how credible this can be but still it is possible

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I think we can tell with a good level of certainty that SoH had their agents inside REALM on Alpha... and they had enough pull to get a truckful of armed soldiers and satellite support just to get this one dude with a bracelet.

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Now, could they have their agents lying low inside different factions on Omega too? including ATLAS?

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I can't see why not.

cunning isle
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But what would SoH gain from a mole on Omega?

tidal ravine
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does this have anything to do with Omega SoH? hard to tell tbh, but still something to keep in mind

tidal ravine
cunning isle
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Do we know for sure if SoH is an inter-multiverse org or is there an Alpha and an Omega SoH

tidal ravine
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We know they destroyed Lotus on Alpha and they couldn't do it on Omega. We also know Atlas was patroling the area for O-Lotus

tidal ravine
cunning isle
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Oh right I forgot about the FL split

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Hmmmmm

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Next logical question would be

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Do the SoHs have a sort of Chamber deal between them?

tidal ravine
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like do the two orgs work together? hmmmm.... no idea again

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my guess with the info we have right now, is no

cunning isle
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And does Alpha SoH know about the multiverse

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If they don't then maybe destroying Alpha Lotus made sense to them

tidal ravine
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I'd say yeah for sure, at least the people at the top do know.

tidal ravine
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why not treat it like any other ancient building if you didn't know this was linked to the multiverse?

cunning isle
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It seems undisturbed and undiscovered

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So if we go on the SOP of SoH, gatekeeping radianite

tidal ravine
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I think the fact that they targeted Lotus and then went specifically after the key that opens the nexus with the bracelet, it means they knew what the Nexus was and that there were certain components to get it to work.

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what does SOP mean?

cunning isle
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Standard Operating Procedure

tidal ravine
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ah oki

cunning isle
tidal ravine
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These are guys who are sitting on multiple centuries of knowledge about radianite, they definitely know much more than we think imo

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My base theory about SoH is that at the start they probably wanted to prevent some possibly dimensional horrors from taking place but through the ages "as they stared into the abyss, the abyss stared back" and gradually molded them into becoming new horrors themselves

cunning isle
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Heh

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Either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain

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Also dimensional horrors

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SoH might be behind Yoru's ship being on Icebox even

tidal ravine
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cunning isle
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And why Harbor's bracelet is in a cave

tidal ravine
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yup... I think Harbor's ancestors probably had the most peaceful end among the three artifact holders

cunning isle
tidal ravine
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Me everytime my theories are busted ( I keep making more)

cunning isle
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So SoH sent the artifact holders into hiding

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Centuries later these artifacts resurface

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Ok wait

tidal ravine
cunning isle
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The Gauntlet opens the first lock to Lotus

tidal ravine
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the bracelet opens the gate

cunning isle
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The Bracelet is the key

tidal ravine
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the guantlet activates the nexus

cunning isle
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tidal ravine
cunning isle
cunning isle
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But shouldn't it be Indian then?

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What would an Edo era Japanese samurai be doing in India?

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Samurai era Japan also has a locked country policy too

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No foreign trade

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Though I'm not sure if people are not allowed to leave

tidal ravine
tidal ravine
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#lore-and-theories message

cunning isle
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Hmmmmmm

tidal ravine
# cunning isle No foreign trade

There was foreign trade tho... the mask was on a red seal ship which is a protected merchant ship travelling to south east asia

cunning isle
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Right right

limpid briar
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limpid briar
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whichever agent you imagine, you're right

tidal ravine
cunning isle
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So "Guardians and people worked together"

cunning isle
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The Dutch were the only foreigners allowed on Japanese soil

cunning isle
tidal ravine
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as far as I've read red seal ships were merchant ships with armed forces on them for protection and they travelled to south east asia scratches chin

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that destination is part of the reason it is crazy to see that ship near north pole

cunning isle
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Gauntlet in control by the Astral Guardians, Bracelet parcelled out to humanity and Mask given to radiants

cunning isle
cunning isle
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Are we still not sure what it does?

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I see 2 ways

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Weapon or tp

limpid briar
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My hypothesis is it was for travel considering the omega one can send energy of some sort to the other and the destruction of alpha lotus means the energy wouldn't dissipate safely

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and it used to be on the only earth

cunning isle
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Yeah the fact it only causes death and destruction if the recepting Lotus was destroyed

limpid briar
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well the only one we knew about I guess

cunning isle
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I'm leaning to tp

limpid briar
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so used to be TP, now a weapon

tidal ravine
limpid briar
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I doubt it was the only earth

cunning isle
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As in there is another Earth out there?

limpid briar
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but possibly the first time earth had split in such a destructive way wherein technology allowed traversal between them

tidal ravine
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also notice that Chamber says: "A multiverse nexus" not " THE multiverse nexus"

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limpid briar
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sometimes I think about writing in a beta- or sigma-earth into my fanfic as a one-off line (joke?)

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cunning isle
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So every time something major happens that involves radianite Earth does a mitosis?

limpid briar
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maybe not? I mean this might be the first time a large-scale radianite ............. ......... bullshit about what happened with omen here

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happened

tidal ravine
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#lore-and-theories message

limpid briar
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if radiants have existed in extremely small numbers and radianite has as well and the scions were suppressing that knowledge, probably nothing even remotely similar has happened

cunning isle
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Earth Prime?

limpid briar
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cuz the radianite experiment viper was doing that I don't really have a lot of details about probably involved a LOT of energy that radianite hadn't ever been exposed to

cunning isle
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As in the OG not split even once Earth?

tidal ravine
limpid briar
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cunning isle
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Ugh it's getting messy

tidal ravine
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cunning isle
tidal ravine
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#lore-and-theories message

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I myself lowkey think Alpha earth is the OG earth that other stuff got split off of

cunning isle
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Ah so Omega is in a sense probably the 1239821385th Omega to have existed

tidal ravine
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Now there is also another possibility here that IF the guardians were not of earth, then this Nexus existed to link up with whatever planet they were from

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but also to other nexuseseses

cunning isle
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Astra is a descendant of the Guardians right?

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She's a member but there is nothing about her lineage

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I feel like the artifacts are perhaps an heirloom of sorts

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The gauntlet lead Astra to the lake (confirmed via Fade dossier), the mask made Yoru go on his ancestor searching trip (hypothesis), and it explains why the bracelet specifically chose Harbor (inferred)

tidal ravine
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yeah

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limpid briar
cunning isle
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So to recap this theory is a SoH mole in ATLAS instigating?

torn ivy
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I need to catch up on this thread!