#E8 Cinematic Teasers!

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subtle sleet
valid ermine
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This answers a question stuck in my mind on whether or not Iso did come clean that he was supposed to kill omen or not

dense oriole
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This does clear up his allegiance

subtle sleet
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#lore-and-theories message
Excellent point by Sabot

devout perch
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Oh MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD HO MY GOD

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Sry I am exited

dense oriole
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So we can say he joined the VP initially to kill Omen, but changed his mind after interacting with the team

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The vibes saved Omen

little rover
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they're twinning your honor

analog island
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OMG

noble crystal
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So Iso child soldier is kinda true now?

sweet shale
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CANT WAITTT

dense oriole
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Or more like child assassin

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Like Shang Chi

noble crystal
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Also what did Iso think like

little rover
short sand
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what the fU-

noble crystal
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Randomly killing omen

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That would just allert the agents, they would beat the shit out of him and sage would bring omen back idk

analog island
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I've been waiting for more lore

short sand
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then sage brings iso back to kill him again

subtle sleet
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So, Cypher was standing there, watching as Iso grappled with his decision
I know he can read people well, but how was he that confident that Iso would choose peace?

steep shoal
little rover
noble crystal
dense oriole
little rover
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also is this the first instance of BuildTheWorld being connected to lore directly?

short sand
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im late with the lore tho

short sand
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from waht i get on ISO

short sand
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dude wants to kill every single person involved in a certain project

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yes?

little rover
analog island
subtle sleet
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He's just a hitman doing what his handler asks of him

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Or, at least, was

noble crystal
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This episode should have Fade as Omens emotional support lesbian

short sand
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the trailer sounded like that was the job tho

subtle sleet
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Doesn't seem like he'll be working for/with them much longer

steep shoal
short sand
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not jut a hitman

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....ffs this is just Pyke from LoL

analog island
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PFTT

short sand
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pyke's lore (sorta) + BRAZIL's Morde = Iso

steep shoal
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Hmmm

short sand
valid ermine
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Guys... please dont send unrelated gifs in forums. this section is supposed to be on topic

dense oriole
steep shoal
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THERE

short sand
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the topic is that Iso sounds like another character I know

dense oriole
amber kindle
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okay but not in threads please 😌

short sand
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welp

subtle sleet
short sand
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next cinematic: Iso x Omen beating up bad guys together

little rover
dense oriole
subtle sleet
steep shoal
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Ty!

subtle sleet
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Check out all the Voicemails and Emails from the past ~4 patches

steep shoal
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Will do

short sand
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roger roger

steep shoal
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Forgot i’ve bern out of the val loop for like two months

subtle sleet
neat heath
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Cypher is so hot anyway that’s my contribution

valid ermine
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My current read of the teaser is not that Iso actually pointed a gun to Omen's head, I think this represents the dilemma in Iso's mind about choosing the VP over Hourglass or vice versa and settles that Iso did choose the VP. I think his last voicemail to Brimstone also was building up to show us that he made up his mind in being loyal to the VP

subtle sleet
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I feel like there is some timeline fuckups going on here

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Kinda like what we had with Gekko

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Teasers don't align chronologically with where we are with the Emails/Voicemails

dense oriole
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Ye

little rover
# valid ermine My current read of the teaser is not that Iso actually pointed a gun to Omen's h...

I am also working on the basis that this is prior to Iso's official recruitment and interactions with the agents that we see in game. So at his current state of mind, working from the perspective of someone getting into an org to finish a job: To Iso at that point in time, Valorant and Hourglass are two formidable organizations, but Valorant has Iso conviced that they actually do it for the good of their universe, and that trumps over Hourglass's overall objective

wraith prawn
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Hello

subtle sleet
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Anyway imma go afk for half an hour I want to go through the whole thing frame-by-frame before I talk more

dense oriole
subtle sleet
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See y'all

dense oriole
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Later

subtle sleet
wraith prawn
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So what secrets do you think they'll show for omen

dense oriole
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It's on Youtube btw @subtle sleet

steep shoal
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Ohhhhhh now it all makes more sense lol

valid ermine
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What I am thinking is that the teaser might also not be literal. See how Omen is steady in trimming the Bonsai? That is showing he is at that point in a stable mindset. I want to know if his control be shaken after seeing what Iso shows him or not.

subtle sleet
dense oriole
dense oriole
wraith prawn
valid ermine
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just a guess

dense oriole
steep shoal
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Yeah the ”shrouded step” at the top of the kill order thing is interesting to me

dense oriole
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Do cook Strawbs

steep shoal
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Especially with what looked like a bunch of folders underneath

subtle sleet
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#media message
So this tweet got deleted

steep shoal
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Yeah i guess

little rover
valid ermine
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it is also interesting that hourglass knows exactly what abilities Omen have

subtle sleet
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It probably wasn't meant to be posted at all, since only VALORANTsa sent it out

dense oriole
subtle sleet
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Oh lol

little rover
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lmao

thick jackal
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description has #DEFIANCE in it

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could be episode 8s name

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or the cinematic name

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or both

dense oriole
visual anvil
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Say, if Hourglass were erasing people linked with Landall...
And Omen was linked to Landfall...
Does that mean Viper also had some link to the project and could have been a possible target?
Considering she used to (still does or something?) work for Kingdom and she had something to do with whatever happened to Omen

thick jackal
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unless they're breaking the formula

valid ermine
little rover
valid ermine
little rover
valid ermine
little rover
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hmm imma hold my tongue cus BP territory, but this is a rabbit hole i'm more than willing to burrow deeper

little rover
visual anvil
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Also, this is assuming Hourglass are just your run of the mill mysterious underground assassination guild and not something more... specific

little rover
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coughcough they could be the org that evolved from the same group than ran Alpha's Lotus with Astral Guardians' insight coughcough

dense oriole
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Let's put it this way
ASSUMING Omen did come from Hourglass, is an assassin and is targeting Viper;

  1. Omen allowing himself to be experimented is prolly a way to get closer to Viper, much like how Iso joined VP to get closer to Omen
  2. This explains the names/aliases in Omen's dossier, being linked to him faking identities for assassinations
  3. This also explains Hourglass having a file on Omen, and Omen having recollection of the symbol
valid ermine
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Omen's experiment was not a one and done thing btw imo. Viper has this voiceline " One more time Omen; how many time have you heard that now?"

dense oriole
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Further thinking on 2, does this mean Fade has info on Omen's past?

little rover
marsh mesa
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hey friends!!

marsh mesa
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finally new omen lore im so excited !!!!

dense oriole
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Aye

valid ermine
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hi, yeah after more than 3 years it is high time 😄

visual anvil
valid ermine
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tbh imo hourglass are currently the top candidate for the ones who destroyed Alpha Lotus

visual anvil
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Why so?

little rover
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yeah i have a theory in the kitchen that involves these people and Alpha Nexus

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but a key event is missing

visual anvil
valid ermine
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I am honestly thinking they might be also who greaves actually worked for

valid ermine
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gimme a sec I need to go afk for a bit, I'll be back and write on it more

visual anvil
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That would make sense, having a mole in an organisation that might deal with ancient Radianite artifacts

valid ermine
little rover
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the artifact that Greaves was supposed to wrestle from Harbor is directly linked to the Nexus, that would validate some aspects of Hourglass, since they are interested in dimensional research afaik

valid ermine
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I'll brb a bit and cook a little when I'm back

little rover
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i need to stop using discord on my phone cus the app was not scrolling and when i finished typing it just looks like i'm saying the same shit as strawb astraLUL

visual anvil
fossil spruce
visual anvil
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Or did they not know a key existed and simply decided it was safer to leave the tech, such as it is, buried, so to speak

dense oriole
fossil spruce
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I didn't know there was any correlation between REALM and hourglass

little rover
valid ermine
visual anvil
fossil spruce
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oh ok I must have missed that, I'll read it now

valid ermine
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brb fr now

fossil spruce
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ty

visual anvil
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So while we're waiting for that...
What do we think the cinematic will be about?

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Maybe something along the lines of Iso pulling Hourglass out of the shadows ?

amber kindle
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the raid on hourglass

little rover
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Iso good guy arc ig, feeding info to Cypher and whoever that's gonna be fielding the mission on Hourglass

visual anvil
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Also, can we talk about how willing Cypher is to let people possibly run amok within VALORANT? First Fade, and now Iso.

little rover
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bro died too many times he stopped giving a shit

visual anvil
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One day, he's going to let someone walk who caused more trouble than they eventually become worth

visual anvil
dense oriole
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Yerp

fossil spruce
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Did he let Fade run amok? I felt like he led the charge in tracking Fade down

dense oriole
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I think he meant allowing people with questionable loyalty to VP to join

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Suspicious pasts and questionable allegiances

visual anvil
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Yeah, but then one interrogation later (during which he absolutely could have been compromised after being in contact with someone who can mess with your mind) he recommends her for the VP without a second thought.

fossil spruce
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ohh I see

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I'm wondering why Hourglass is specifically interested in Shrouded Step

visual anvil
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There was a scroll bar, it was the first ability in his list

dense oriole
fossil spruce
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oh true

dense oriole
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Why would they break the pattern tho

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Like

visual anvil
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It's probably the cinematic name

dense oriole
visual anvil
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If we're not willing to believe they'll stray away from the episode naming convention

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Plus the name would fit, a cinematic where Iso goes against his former, possibly overbearing, employer

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Oh no, NVM...

visual anvil
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Mike had confirmed EP8 is called DEFIANCE

dense oriole
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I still haven’t recovered from Gekko’s theme text not using the uniform font the other agents used

visual anvil
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So much for consistency

dense oriole
cerulean arrow
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whoops i’m a little late but i just read everything here and i have a quick question! i’m a little behind on the valo lore rn, so what exactly is hourglass? i honestly know very little about iso haha 😭 i got kinda the gist from reading everything here but does anyone have like a video or thread i can reference?

cerulean arrow
visual anvil
# cerulean arrow whoops i’m a little late but i just read everything here and i have a quick ques...

The Hourglass is a mysterious organisation with as of yet unknown objectives. They were the people Iso used to kill for and their insignia is on the final card of Iso's contract track. Hourglass tasked Iso with killing people linked with a Kingdom project known as "Landfall" (stuff in relation to Deadlock and the greater lore of the universe is being passed over here) and it just so happens that Omen is on that list. However, since joining VALORANT, Iso has started to fray away from the Hourglass and now seems to be poised to fully align himself with VALORANT and pull the Hourglass out of the shadows.

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Sorry for the long post 😛

subtle sleet
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Since their logo is an hourglass, and we lack a better one

visual anvil
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But that's all I got, please fact check

subtle sleet
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Firstly, a map of the place

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Behold my skill

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The point being that the two shots we got staring down the hallway were in different directions
Cypher didn't teleport into there, he was always standing there

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Just the other way

cerulean arrow
foggy imp
cerulean arrow
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also everything i’ve seen discussed in this thread hasn’t mentioned omen that much? because i feel like omen totally knew 100% that iso was there. i think that’s pretty obvious by the way he stops when iso is abt to pull the trigger. either omen intuited by himself what was going to happen, or cypher gave him a warning and told him he’d keep an eye on iso. either way, i think omen knew cypher would take care of it and trusted him, no? if not he probably just planned on dodging the bullet or some cool omen thing? idk just was thinking abt that

midnight tusk
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Now was bro guarding omen?

subtle sleet
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Which carries into, secondly:
I find it very weird that Iso was willing to just stand there with his gun held out for so long. This isn't some random kid, he is an experienced and deadly assassin who knows what he's doing* (remind me to touch on the * later)
It is extremely unprofessional of him to be caught red-handed like that
Even more so because Cypher was standing there all this time, watching Iso. He saw him pull out the sheriff and point it at Omen. The fact that Iso was willing to risk that while another hostile agent was within sight (that, or he didn't even notice Cypher standing there at all) is beyond me

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Which makes me want to go with Strawbs' theory that a part of the teaser was, in fact, just something in his head

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Him picturing what it would be like if he pulled out his gun and shot Omen

cerulean arrow
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ohhh that’s an interesting theory!

fossil spruce
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Did anyone notice Iso's eyes flicking back and forth at 0:21 - 0:22? I'm kinda perplexed as to why they would be doing that

midnight tusk
cerulean arrow
fossil spruce
subtle sleet
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Also note that he fully pulled the trigger back

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Idk how revolvers work but I'm pretty sure once you pull the thing that makes the bullet go out, you can't stop the bullet from going out

midnight tusk
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Yeah! My first thought for the weird parallel is that omega iso made a different choice

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but like

visual anvil
midnight tusk
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omen can't die and be removed from the roster 🗿

subtle sleet
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Another thing
At 0:34, Omen's response to the 'gunshot' is nothing like how you would respond to a loud noise right next to you
He doesn't jerk away and brace himself/look to the source of the sound, he just calmly pulls the scissors back

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Much more like how you would react if, say, a person you know well just walked into your room

visual anvil
subtle sleet
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Continuing

fossil spruce
subtle sleet
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Look at the branch at the top here

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look at it very well

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Now look at this

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See any similarities?

visual anvil
subtle sleet
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In the structure of the leaves, and the peculiar shape of the branch?

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It's nearly the exact same

visual anvil
fossil spruce
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Yeah kind of

abstract goblet
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new agent could be a bounty hunter or contract killer

valid ermine
subtle sleet
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Oop had to go somewhere

abstract goblet
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put a hit on omen

subtle sleet
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This gives us a definite chronology

abstract goblet
subtle sleet
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We already established that the loud bang at that frame was certainly a sheriff shot (which may or may not have been in Iso's head) and not him banging the phone on the table

valid ermine
visual anvil
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Cuz, yeah that does seem to be becoming an integral part of our interpretations

fossil spruce
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Also based on the other bonsais in the room, I would think that this table is mainly used by Omen for bonsai trimming. So then what is the source of these scratches on the table?

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they're not dry leaves right?

subtle sleet
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This further tells us that there was a significant time skip between Omen first hearing Iso and Iso putting the whone down

abstract goblet
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scratched the desk

valid ermine
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I don't think that sound is a gunshot

visual anvil
subtle sleet
visual anvil
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It's pretty close

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I think it may have been for effect though

valid ermine
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I think it is a sound effect not an actual gunshot

visual anvil
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Like we ponder for the second "wait did he actually do it"

subtle sleet
subtle sleet
valid ermine
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I think the sound is meant to be similar but not a gunshot yes

subtle sleet
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And whether he actually shot the gun or if it was just in his head is up to debate

valid ermine
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Also, Omen is incredibly observant. We know this because he was the only one picking up on Maxbot being sus. I feel like he would not be this oblivious to Iso just standing there with his gun out

visual anvil
subtle sleet
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But they also are distinct

valid ermine
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my apologies, why are we focusing on the bonsai leaves? for chronology?

fossil spruce
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The only noticeable difference to me is the initial couple moments, I think it's the sound of the bullet leaving the barrel?

abstract goblet
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yall cypher aint holdin a trip pretty sure thats a coin. hes flipping it around his fingers as if it werre atrip but it doiesnt have the texture on it which means he could have completed the bounty on say Earth 2 Omen rather than Earth 1 Omen.

midnight tusk
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I do agree that the leaf pattern on the branches lines up and they definitely frame it in the final shot like it could be important but I also want to toss out there that they've copy/pasted the models of the final branches on the table, probably to save time

subtle sleet
midnight tusk
abstract goblet
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its too thin to be e trip

midnight tusk
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in the bottom right you can see they're both the same but scaled

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so it could be an animator trying to save time

valid ermine
abstract goblet
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ttffff

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adang missed that

subtle sleet
valid ermine
subtle sleet
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fuck

valid ermine
midnight tusk
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I don't think it invalidates it fully. like also to the point of your theory we do see an empty table and then when he slams the phone down there are multiple branches on it

fossil spruce
midnight tusk
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but it's also unclear if that's deliberate or animators saving time

valid ermine
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also that lol

subtle sleet
valid ermine
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A kinda wild guess here is that we might be introduced to a map in the end of the cinematic

visual anvil
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I kinda doubt it, we have a gun and an agent already on the horizon with the agent being teased in the BP. Would they tease a map alongside all this as well?

valid ermine
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Well you see I am taking Drift as the map tease

visual anvil
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Oh, yeah that I can agree with

valid ermine
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As for Why I thought Greaves might be working for hourglass

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and just how the heck hourglass connects to REALM, We have two points of connection to the hourglass with Iso and Omen. I have covered it a bit in this thread for Iso :
https://vxtwitter.com/Strawberry79/status/1715106638770675860
And Also here for Omen
https://vxtwitter.com/Strawberry79/status/1708520537591267732

  • that I can't help but notice the clothes of the people Iso is shooting in some of the scenes match pretty closely with what rogue REALM Operatives wore in Harbor's release trailer (left from ISO's trailer, right from Harbor's) the distinct jacket and the helmet:
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Both Iso and Omen have worked for hourglass before, both men have had encounters with Realm one way or another. the question is why? And what would stop an organization like this to actually try and infilterate REALM instead of you know, fighting it.

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they have had two chances of getting their hands on an artifact with Yoru's mask while it was in Kingdom possession (no idea if they knew or not) and Harbor's Bracelet and they missed on both of those fortunately.

eager estuary
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wahooooo

valid ermine
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Considering two of the three astral guardian artifacts were in Asia, and the Nexus is also located in Asia and hourglass also seem to be an asia based org with our current info I think it is not too far fetched of a guess to think hourglass could have had messed with Alpha Lotus (which I had also mentioned in this thread: https://twitter.com/Strawberry79/status/1735744080108458202)

sonic estuary
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ISO's plan to assassinate omen was to help omen get his memories back, omen would be emotionally out of control for a short period of time due to recovering his memories like Viper said, and then he would be completely torn apart, after all, he needed to stay focused to maintain stability. The perfect assassination plan.

eager estuary
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my contribution is that

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Iso gets manicures and omen has a green house

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shiny and many plants

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Many bonsai plants

cerulean arrow
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DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THE ROOM WITH A TON OF OTHER PLANTS i love that

little rover
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hoping praying that Omen is revealed to have a Viet origin 🙏

eager estuary
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THAT WOULD BE SO COOL

valid ermine
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leaving this here just in case:
threado
https://vxtwitter.com/Strawberry79/status/1742345797755109845

So, First teaser for #VALORANT 's Episode 8 is here, lore friends and a very welcome one too after a long wait for some lore content. Let's have a quick thread and see what's going on🧵:

【QRT of VALORANT (@VALORANT…

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little rover
dense oriole
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Cmon guys he's not Wideso or Girthso, he is canonically that W I D E
He's just Iso

subtle sleet
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Iso the W i d e

foggy imp
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I can't wait for the cinematic poster guys

visual anvil
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People say the jacket adds to his figure, but only a few were lucky enough to have the truth shared with them isosmirk

foggy imp
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almost 24h since the last teaser.....

subtle sleet
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Hopium for something in 9 minutes

devout perch
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and is there something?

foggy imp
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Lotus changes

devout perch
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bruh

jagged parrot
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Is no one going to talk about how "Primary Target" implies there are other targets?

crisp spade
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i mean he did have other targets

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like the scientists

jagged parrot
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The scientists were a different job though.

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If this was a hit assignment, "Primary Target" implies he needs to kill Omen, but he may also be assigned to kill everyone else in the VP.

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(killing everyone else in the VP is an example, it could very well be a non-lethal goal like steal info, idk)

subtle sleet
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LORE

grim notch
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I feel like since launch (E1 perhaps), Omen has never understood who they were

subtle sleet
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So uh
Why tf is he saying that now
He's had info on Omen since forever

grim notch
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Perhaps Cypher has only imformation on the Omega Omen...

tepid mountain
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would cypher be one to lie?

subtle sleet
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He had info and didn't give it to Omen because... Omen couldn't pay his 'price'

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but now he's giving some info freely

tepid mountain
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or maybe he meant he has the means to get the info

subtle sleet
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but the context implies that it's not the same data

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Anyway

tepid mountain
little rover
eager estuary
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or maybe omen paid it

amber kindle
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is this canon

thick jackal
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omen inherits 2 million dollars and can now pay cypher

eager estuary
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what

little rover
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That teaser needs Partition from Beyonce blasting in the backgroud

subtle sleet
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On a serious note though he has no right to be this hot

eager estuary
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real

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agreed

tepid mountain
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whats in the background tho

eager estuary
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the swag

tepid mountain
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it looks like a ruin

noble crystal
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isnt it bind

little rover
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No sound like all teasers are ig

subtle sleet
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It is bind? Maybe Hookah?

tepid mountain
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i don't think any part of bind has that floor

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or maybe im washed

eager estuary
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looks like a house in the city where bind is

tepid mountain
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yeah maybe

subtle sleet
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In fairness the way a map looks in cinematics ins't 100% faithful to the game

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For example, retake

tepid mountain
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oh

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true

little rover
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Yep it's bind-inspired at least, looks like it belongs in a bazaar

eager estuary
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because this looks like a mirror to me

tepid mountain
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i see what you mean but it could also just be a doorway

eager estuary
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or that

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but it doesn't look like bind map at least

tepid mountain
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wait theres a spectre on the floor why doesn't he pick it up :(

little rover
eager estuary
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immediately cocks his hip when he sees the enemy

tepid mountain
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mb he don't need no fancy gun

eager estuary
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I hope if we get any decent cypher content in the BP it's not behind a paywall

midnight tusk
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that's a terrible flank trip 😔

tepid mountain
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who says its a flank trip

midnight tusk
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valid and real

dense oriole
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And we don’t even know if Cypher’s trips work like they do in game

midnight tusk
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they murder him in every cinematic to avoid having to animate it /j

valid ermine
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I made a smol thread for the Cypher teaser but I held up for the one with Omen and Outlaw because I am STILL THINKING ABOUT IT

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Omen standing in front of closet number 8 which contains many outlaws and holding an outlaw himself, while having the animation that indicates he's trying to sense something... WHAT IS HAPPENING?

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not to mention just the name of the hecking weapon itself... is agent 8 an outlaw? what did they do?

still schooner
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valorant lore is just a whole freaking drama show at this point

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the chaos never ends

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the constant cliffhangers

valid ermine
proud cipher
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sova mentioned lets go

late smelt
eager estuary
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omen being tall because he's a wraith and Sova being tall because ... well jesus no complaints

valid ermine
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I love that this artwork does stick to canon heights... I am assuming Sova, Omen and Chamber are all the same height basically