UXUI designer = product designer?

[solar lion]

Is this actually true tho? I would search up UX/UI designer and product designer on Glassdoor and realize that product designer makes more than 1-10k difference. And I have been told that UX/UI is more advocating for user while product designer tailors to how much the product cost to make for the company etc

[errant crypt]

for the most part yes. from company to company there's no standard definitions, some people assign slightly different responsibilities to the roles but they're more or less identical. and I wouldn't rely on Glassdoor for salary info.

[swift shoal]

Afaik costing isn’t something that’s on the product designer that’s sales and marketing

No one actually would go in an interview

“Oh your an UX uI designer sorry we’re looking for product designers”

Some companies just have roles called UX/UI because that’s what HR labeled it as such

[fleet hound]

Typically, UX/UI is part of a product designer's role. However, the term product designer is much more broad.
A product designer is someone who contributes to the design of a product, a UX-UI designer is someone who advocates and designs for the user experience in a product.

Product Designers can have specialization like icon design, research, 3D, design systems, etc. All of which don't necessarily fit the UX/UI moniker.

Additionally, as designers of a product, we have to consider business goals and not simply advocate for the user

They are often used synonymously, and even though they're not technically the same, they are quite similar

[solar lion]

well, I just found some of these details interesting in this article in Career Foundry here: https://careerfoundry.com/en/blog/ux-design/what-is-the-difference-between-a-ux-designer-and-a-product-designer/ and it feels like that is true to some people, but that set of standard is different to others? It's a bit confusing. And I often have to tell this to my boss, who is also bit confused about these aspects in design industry. I'm not saying that for sure one article portrays the whole design industry (specifically into UX/UI/ Product design) but I just feel that sometimes this miscommunication gets carried over to job searches that I do. How do I clarify these types of miscommunication as much as possible?

For instance, I found a job that's specifically UI design (they are looking for UI designer) but to my current knowledge, UI is part of UX as stated by some people in UX/UI industry on linkedIn. So basically, UX designer = UX/UI design. So, if they are only looking for UI designer, does that mean they are looking for UI only and not UX?

[errant crypt]

some bigger companies have more focused roles where a UI designer is separate from a UX designer, the UI designer is more focused on the visuals of the product. that doesn't mean they don't have to have at least some understanding of UX, but that they're less focused on that aspect of it and taking direction from the UX designer.

[fleet hound]

UX and UI are separate practices, they just go hand in hand. Lots of people use the term "UI Designer" when they mean a UX Designer instead.

Title and roles aren't a great way to understand what a job will entail. This is why the term Product Designer is so much more common now, it can made a wide range of things.

Focus on the role description and list of responsibilities, that will give you an idea of what the company is actually looking for (hopefully)

[molten token]

@solar lion While there is a slight difference in terms of naming (I think we can all agree that product design does have business needs involved while UX/UI might be more focused on users) in practice, it's pretty much the same at most companies.

The salary difference might be because product design is a more hmm common newish term while UX/UI feels a bit more old school. So companies willing to pay more for designers end up paying product designer slightly more. It's not really that the roles are much different, just companies using Product Design might be more up to date