Creative people salary in the US and Canada

[mental ivy]

55k seems a bit low even for junior UXR especially since most UXR has masters degree

[daring valve]

Maybe the salary went down during covid? Also this is a person without any work experience

[prime kettle]

@daring valve From my experience, it went up

reading through still

[daring valve]

hmm, hiring ppl were saying how they can hire experienced ppl for entry lvl because so many ppl lost their jobs last year

[prime kettle]

That's the opposite for senior ux design. Right now it's incredibly hard to hire for senior talent.

And with more wfh opportunities/distributed workforce. I think outside the big tech areas salaries have been going up since local companies now have to compete with the facebook, twitters of the world

(still reading though so not responding to the pdf yet)

[daring valve]

I am in Canada so I can't say too much about companies in the US

[mental ivy]

i think the demand for senior designers is still pretty high in canada

but overall salaries yeah lower compared to US

[daring valve]

Also, I am in entry lvl so I can't comment on that

[prime kettle]

This document looks out of date. With covid things did slow down early last year. Raises & hiring stopped. But now it's gotten crazy

Companies who paused hiring from last year are now hiring again and with a lot of new money gained from the pandemic, opening a lot of new initiatives

So a lot of new teams etc

[daring valve]

I see!

[prime kettle]

Just looked through the document, numbers look relatively accurate for UX design in the U.S. at least

[mental ivy]

wait lol i've been skimming it what do 25th, 50th etc mean

[daring valve]

thanks Hanna! I hope I can get more feedback to verify the numbers!

[prime kettle]

@silver wave new pdf 😄

[prime kettle]

It's percentile. 25% earn less than that.

[daring valve]

click using the salary tables. 25th- no exp. 50th-average(so like 2-5 years?)

[prime kettle]

It doesn't necessarily mean junior versus senior in the role. Just percentile

[mental ivy]

ohhh ok

canada seems pretty accurate too? except for product designer idk why it's so low there

[prime kettle]

I personally like how it's described more in vitamin t's guide:

So it's not exactly that 75th percentile is more experienced, more than 75% earn less than that

[daring valve]

feel free to share your doc if you have it

[prime kettle]

It's in the FAQ 🔸 Salary Guide by Vitamin T - (https://vitamintalent.com/downloads/Vitamin_T_Salary_Guide_2021.pdf)

[silver wave]

Yes, its not a pay range or bands. Its just distribution among the range as provided by whatever polling

[prime kettle]

I think this makes sense, it is a bit out of date because the survey seemed to be around early pandemic

[silver wave]

and its probably a bit fudged, since it seems to imply that there is a fairly even distribution

[daring valve]

Also the report is made from a recruiting agency, so there could be their own interest

[prime kettle]

The vitamin t one as well. But I assume it's from their placements.

Which means they're likely more accurate than the self selected survey ones

I think lying in either direction doesn't help the recruitment agency. Just saying what market is helps them make sure their clients understand what they need to pay to be competitive. I found self selected surveys tend to be too low because we're not calculating rsus, bonuses etc properly and it's more focused on base.

[vocal gate]

lol what happened here

[prime kettle]

Yeah U.S. ones are also lower than expected

[vocal gate]

weird right? XD oh well must be from their survey

I do like the Vitamin T one better because its not all lumped in theres like junior or intermediate if I remember right

[prime kettle]

As well as by location chunks

This one requires math

[vocal gate]

yeah XD

I have seen a lot of Robert Half postings in Canada though

and Vitamin T is nice with the sample size

[prime kettle]

Canada is super low tho wow I didn't even notice

[vocal gate]

no sample size here XD

[prime kettle]

The product design

[vocal gate]

yeahhhh

[prime kettle]

It's lower than UI design which is crazy

[vocal gate]

could be an increase in startups hiring "product designer"

like my friends working as a product designer for like 57k CAD after negotation

meanwhile im at a bigger company and I got about 76k

[prime kettle]

That could be true, startups weighing it down

If Robert Half works with a lot of smaller startups

[vocal gate]

hmm most of the postings from what I saw was bigger places

IIRC

like Banks and etc

startups might not have the funding to pay Robert Half for the placements so this is really weird

[prime kettle]

@daring valve There's a ton of really good salary surveys here to dig through as well. #757108348394012770 message