@philip @John Is it ok if I add u guys | Design Buddies 🐰 | Page 1

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:17 PM

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here is a thread

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:17 PM

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Ooooo

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very nice

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let's add elvin too

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:18 PM

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excuse me getting distracted by that css bug on bugatti's site, but yea for that kind of project i think a proper dev would help. it depends, they don't seem to be expecting much.

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but on the other hand 10 locations is a lot

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:18 PM

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wait are u a developer

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:18 PM

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yea I am not a designer

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:19 PM

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ohh ok i see

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:19 PM

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I know a little about design, i did a course on it

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but i'm crap

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:19 PM

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are u a freelance developer?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:19 PM

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kind of

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I am a part of a startup but I have taken on some freelance work

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:21 PM

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ok I see

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you must've worked with designers a lot tho right

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when they hand off designs

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:21 PM

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a bit how come?

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:22 PM

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I am still learning, I rely on platforms and tools too to help out.

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You can still charge a good amount because of time alone or people not having any experience/willingness to learn.

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:23 PM

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tranquil rose a bit how come?

I was curious because I hear some developers get frustrated when designers hand off designs that are difficult to code

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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solid osprey You can still charge a good amount because of time alone or people not having an...

Ya that's true

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Still not sure how much I should pitch for this project if I'm incorporating all the locations

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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ah, sometimes designers forget to enable dev mode or w/e on figma

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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hexed thicket I was curious because I hear some developers get frustrated when designers hand ...

I had one time I was just editing a Wordpress website and one designer draws something with like a lighting bolt between the website page and it hits the top over the URL bar

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I have zero idea how to program that

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:24 PM

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i would try find out as much info as possible and then tell them you will come back with a quote

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this gives you time to give that info to someone else to help you lol

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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My job was literally to change src="" event fliers

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When we had new events to keep the website up to date

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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tranquil rose this gives you time to give that info to someone else to help you lol

what kind of info?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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what pages they want, how the menu shoudl be displayed, what functions the site should have e.g. simple contact form, payment, etc.

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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solid osprey I had one time I was just editing a Wordpress website and one designer draws som...

that sounds complicated to code ..

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:25 PM

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payment --> things get complicated fast

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:26 PM

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tranquil rose what pages they want, how the menu shoudl be displayed, what functions the site ...

Ohh okies

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:26 PM

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if all they want is a simple contact form, then maybe you should just do it all yourself on framer like you are doing

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:26 PM

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you mean if I mention a certain price first, things get complicated fast?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:26 PM

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nono, a payment platform is complicated to code

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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Ohh I see

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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= takes long = gets more expensive

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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they have an online ordering third party service right now, so I just embed the link onto the website

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:27 PM

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Adding a checkout button or link to a payment page with like stripe is made easy by stripe. But making a platform like stripe, yeah... I need to go for a masters degree before I touch it. I have no idea.

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I cannot do that yet.

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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even with stripe, if they want a customer log in to see previous orders etc. that could get complicated, not to put you off

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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oh yeah integrating stripe makes the whole payment process much easier

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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but yea if it's just an embed you're fine

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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There's also like Zapier now

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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so. i have some sauce on these guys though

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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So people can really see how it all links

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:29 PM

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wait John, where are u located

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:29 PM

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maybe go for a month of labor?

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if you think it would take 3 weeks

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give yourself some extra time basically

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Yeah.... when you deliver too fast, people get spending remorse

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:30 PM

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oh right

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:30 PM

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also try look at some competing websites, not for visual design so much but even just functionality

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:30 PM

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And it's healthy to have breaks, I guess

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Than just on a laptop all day

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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so I did some research and checked out a lot of their competitors' websites and

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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a lot of restaurants have hellishly bad sites i notice lol

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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yes

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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like my favourite ones in vancouver all have such bad sites omg

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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i was quite taken aback

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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I'm just fighting depression, I don't know what to do anymore

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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how did you find this customer?

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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i feel like restaurant owners don't like to spend much on marketing

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and websites in general

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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they focus on the hospitality and the rest comes

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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tranquil rose how did you find this customer?

through a mutual acquaintence

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:32 PM

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solid osprey I'm just fighting depression, I don't know what to do anymore

I feel u..

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:33 PM

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hexed thicket i feel like restaurant owners don't like to spend much on marketing

if the seats are full they have no reason to i guess. we had the same thing as a petshop i managed

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i told the owner we would increase sales

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:33 PM

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plus it's hard to find the work if you cannot email or call a decision maker and it's a cashier picking up the phone

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:33 PM

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but he didn't listen of course

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:33 PM

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and if you are finding their business online, chances are... they have a website already... right...

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:33 PM

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yeah.. since they're doing alright they don't think of increasing sales much

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:34 PM

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so you are offering redesigning at most

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:34 PM

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they tend to see websites and marketing as an added cost rather than an asset

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:34 PM

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so maybe focus on visuals rather than too much functionality

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they will want to come back when the menu changes, lolll

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unless they have admin for that

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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so this business doesn't even have a website to begin with so they definitely need one since they're a franchise and are expanding

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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oh wow

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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ya

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but if i'm already designing their menu and everything, it makes sense to include all the locations as well

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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then i would under promise and over deliver

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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ya

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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since customers want to know how many locations, where, corresponding menus, etc.

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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i mean you could also charge for 1 month labor and in that time

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do anything they want

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i.e. subscription service

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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like ongoing subscription?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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yeah

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it's rare for someone new to do that mind you

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most newer people just do beginning, middle and end for a project i think

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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that does make sense since I'll have to do maintenance post launch anyways

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:37 PM

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(I am parroting what I've read, i don't know for certain)

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yea

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it also makes sense to have analytics in it so you can prove the impact it has

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:38 PM

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ya i'm adding google analytics api to it

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guys, I just wanted to thank you for being responsive and listening to my dilemma

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:38 PM

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np

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:38 PM

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I've been stressed about this project for awhile now

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:38 PM

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sorry i haven't helped that much. i know more dev stuff haha

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:39 PM

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you've helped a ton

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:39 PM

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it's also hard to judge a client without knowing them but from all you've said, it sounds like they won't want to spend loads

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what are the seats like in the place?

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cheap or expensive?

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:39 PM

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so i think price point range would be $$-$$$

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:40 PM

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i mean the actual seats to sit on

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furniture

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:40 PM

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oh the chairs?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:40 PM

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yea

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:40 PM

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apparently they spent a lot on them

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like $200 per chair or something

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they paid the general contractor over 100k i believe..

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and another 8k for interior designer

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:41 PM

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then we might be looking at it all wrong

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and they have the budget for a decent site

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no clue

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:41 PM

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hmm

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:41 PM

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starting to realise i need to manage a bunch of businesses for a week, to understand all my clients haha

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:41 PM

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well i do feel like the franchise owner should be handling all of this, especially since they're going to need a central website

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:42 PM

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ya but he might not know the benefits of a site

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:42 PM

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yeah..

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sigh

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should i be the one pitching this to him?

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or should the location owner escalate this

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:42 PM

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yes but pitch a solution

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people pay for a trusted solution to a problem

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:42 PM

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right

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so I need to point out the flaws in this previously designed menu

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:43 PM

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so work out all the things that solve a problem e.g. SEO, will look good in social media to have a good site and people link it

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etc.

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not so much the flaws but rather the benefits of your way

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:43 PM

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right

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:43 PM

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your car isn't slow, mine's just faster kinda logic

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:43 PM

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ok so i shouldn't offend them

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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otherwise you get "how dare you insult my car!"

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yea

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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ok this is tricky

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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and you can pitch three prices

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the middle being the one you want to sell

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e.g. $40k for fancy website, hiring a developer, etc. etc.

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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so i should pitch 3 different packages

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:45 PM

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i mean you could, not saying you have to

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but if you are undecided

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or not sure what their budget is

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:45 PM

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i think being flexible on the payment method could increase the likelihood of them considering it

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:45 PM

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ya exactly

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it probably sounds more professional to have multiple options

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:45 PM

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like package vs. subscription

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ok great

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wow thanks so much

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:46 PM

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np

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:46 PM

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wait so you're in Vancouver right now

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:46 PM

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the UK, i was forced back home lol

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after 2 years

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:46 PM

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visa issues?

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:46 PM

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yup

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love to pay $1k+ a month in taxes and have to go home = ) lol

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:47 PM

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ugh, that sucks

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i heard trump is trying to kick more people out now too

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:47 PM

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it's ok, i will get back! eventually

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yeah he's something else

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:47 PM

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yes come back!!

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:47 PM

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i may end up trying for the usa if not

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but i'm not sure

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america is a bit scary lol

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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i agree

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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things are good until they are not, and then they really are not

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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so I used to live in new york for awhile, and I heard gunshots often

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in certain areas it can get very dangerous

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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yeah

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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tranquil rose things are good until they are not, and then they really are not

exactly

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:48 PM

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in vancouver there is some weird crime

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before i left some guy stabbed someone in the chest by the shop i was working in

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:49 PM

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omg..

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:49 PM

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but it's not super common either that was just bad luck to have that a week before i went home

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:49 PM

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hexed thicket exactly

are you making short fast demo previews for people or using a portfolio to show off old work to be like... hey, i can do xyz and i could do it for you too, etc.

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:50 PM

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solid osprey are you making short fast demo previews for people or using a portfolio to show ...

so usually i use my portfolio but it's under construction right now. Sometimes I make a quick design for one of their contents so they can see

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:50 PM

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flutter flow is a good tool to do apps + website + mobile

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there's just so much tools now honestly

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:50 PM

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tranquil rose but it's not super common either that was just bad luck to have that a week befo...

that's crazy.. were there any witnesses

solid osprey Feb 25, 2025, 7:50 PM

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everyone's making them

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:50 PM

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solid osprey everyone's making them

so true

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it reminds me of going to the grocery store

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so many options for the same thing

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so many different brands

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too many choices

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:52 PM

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hexed thicket that's crazy.. were there any witnesses

me

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:52 PM

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tranquil rose me

OMG

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you saw this happen in real time

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:53 PM

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without going into too many details it was not ideal

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but generally vancouver is safe i don't wanna give the wrong impression

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:53 PM

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wow

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:55 PM

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it has made me question if i would want to live in an area with guns

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but california looks really cool!

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especially yosemite

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also american developers are paid a lot more

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:56 PM

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ya their salary is quite high

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california is usually very laid back

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:58 PM

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yeah! so maybe i will consider it. idk

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everywhere has its problems

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:58 PM

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i'm in southern california so the food is pretty good

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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oh nice!

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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tranquil rose everywhere has its problems

very true

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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i always wanted to hike the pct haha

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that starts off in southern cali, dunno if you know it?

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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ya there's a lot of hiking trails here

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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: D

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and yosemite

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 7:59 PM

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yes u should definitely come visit

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 8:00 PM

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if trump doesn't declare war on us lolol

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 8:00 PM

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omz..

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trump is crazy

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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seems to be

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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wait what time is it over there right now

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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8pm

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i should get back to coding in a moment haha

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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oh ok so evening

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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yea

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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alright i gotta go feed my dog too

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we can chat later :3

tranquil rose Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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have fun and good luck!

hexed thicket Feb 25, 2025, 8:01 PM

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thank u~ u too

solid osprey Feb 26, 2025, 7:47 AM

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@hexed thicket are you not US based? Would you be interested to start a small or more formal agency to pull in more freelance clients? Maybe I can join you on your restaurant project if you want, I am willing to work remotely. I try to find gigs off gig platforms. Thumbtack is another new one from the bay area, but it has more in-person work like construction roofing and such.

hexed thicket Feb 26, 2025, 6:18 PM

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@solid osprey Yes, I'm based in the US. Are you a designer or developer?

solid osprey Feb 26, 2025, 6:31 PM

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I can do both. I also learn skills real fast.

hexed thicket Feb 26, 2025, 6:36 PM

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Do you have any examples of past work that you're willing to show? Only if you're comfortable, of course

solid osprey Mar 1, 2025, 7:04 AM

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Yes, I do, maybe through email. I spent the day emailing a custom design package comapny.

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It made me think about starting my own package design company

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