#Secure 1x1 or 1x2 pocket

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glass granite
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šŸ’” what is motivating this suggestion

Lot of talk in general chat about tokens being garbage to bring in since you gotta wait so long for space gate to show up. If you have a token but your map doesnā€™t match you just gotta risk the token or wait for the gate. So I said if make this suggestion if I got 5 thumbs up on a message.

šŸ’” what is your proposal

I suggest that a secure pocket be added so that you can put your tokens or other important items in it to keep them safe. Especially key items just in case your map donā€™t add up. This way you can go in and fight without worry of your token getting wasted.

This pocket could be 1x1 or 1x2 and can especially be used for anything or just specific things like keys or money items. Maybe you unlock more secure pocket space by using prestige coins, just brainstorming here.

šŸ’” exactly and specifically what should be changed and how

Somewhere on your character storage put the pocket and label it ā€œSecureā€. This will let players know that items stored here will be kept safe even if you die. Posted an image of what it could look like. A pocket container.

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north wedge
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The idea is nice in concept but I don't think it should be the "Fix" to the Gate Timer issue. Secure Container of 1x1 would be nice to have, though. Maybe only allow putting items in while prepping to enter Raid.

glass granite
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Before yā€™all destroy me for this one I made it cause people wanted me too šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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This is a very similar mechanic to tarkov so itā€™s gonna be a doozy of a discussion

north wedge
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Yeaaaah but it's an interesting idea for Tokens/Keys/Codes regardless.

glass granite
frosty shore
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Alternative option is allow map selection. Would mitigate some of outrage towards gate spawns and make having tokens more useful. Doesnā€™t Tarkov have some sort of map selection as well?

north wedge
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Tarkov has map selection yeah.

north wedge
glass granite
north wedge
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It should ideally:

-Only allow Key Items (Tokens, Codes, Keys. (Maybe lockpicks, actually... they're easy enough to find or make)

-Not be able to be used during a raid. (Consumed yes, but nothing placed in it.)

-Only be 1x1, maybe 1x2 if we end up having a LOT more options of depots and similar in future. Though upgradable wouldn't be a bad idea... maybe not Prestige Tokens though. We get so many craft tokens it would be nice to use them on that?

frosty shore
north wedge
glass granite
frosty shore
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They plan to bring it in at a later date.

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May as well add map selection along with it.

north wedge
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I think either or both of those changes would break matchmaking, honestly.

frosty shore
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Way I see it having a protected item on death takes away from what the devs wanted for this game

frosty shore
north wedge
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Which is why splitting it further is not great for the game health in general. It is already going to suffer from the hard lean to hardcore from this update.

limber viper
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So is this basically a prison pocket situation we have going here?

sharp marsh
# glass granite Think they scrapped that

not scrapped, confirmed to happen just delayed right now, that said I think a secure pocket would be a great addition but honestly I wouldn't allow it to ever be bigger than a 1x2

sharp marsh
glass granite
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glass granite
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This is dystopian

sharp marsh
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i'd like to be able to have acouple tokens kept safely away, but wouldnt want space to be say big enough to store a large first aid kid away

chrome mauve
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Would be nice to have, I can see why prep only would be useful, but it being able to be used in raid could help alleviate some zero to hero collection stress (prep only or not though, very useful). I only used my EFT kit for those types of items (that would fit) and would prolly do the same here. I also think that the gate and this should become separated in terms of fixing issues but this would help the new gate I think as a side addition (if that is the hope). Whatever you do definitely don't let it be big, I think that's why Aloctor made the point he did. In EFT people just shove everything they can in knowing that they have a nice big prison pocket (in all my EFT I never thought about doing this, but now I might ngl, it sounds like a strong strategy so thank you Aloctor), but if its a 1x1 square, best I could do is dump a 1x1 item in and that is unlikely to greatly help me in the long run unlike a 3x3 box of goodies. I like the idea and the look, though maybe the "prison pocket" is the look we all want (shoves hand deep in dead man butt for coin)?

glass granite
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@limber viper this could definitely fit you know where

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sharp marsh
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i'd rather 1x2 than 1x1 if only so I could have 2 tokens on me at a time to try to fight off the rng of maps

chrome mauve
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yeah 1x2 is cool too, i was using 1x1 for ease of writing a response.

glass granite
chrome mauve
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especially if I bought my kit that run.

sharp marsh
glass granite
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Best you can do is like a war bond or some shit

sharp marsh
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i have abunch of em in my stash but honestly never normally bother bringing em with me since you'll never know if you'll get merchant ship

glass granite
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And with how many keys and money items you find in raid youā€™ll still have plenty in normal backpack in case you die. That way the guy who killed you isnā€™t getting jipped

slow hatch
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So no guns would be allowed to fit in it

sharp marsh
glass granite
sharp marsh
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not that any 2x1 pistol is that life changing

chrome mauve
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yeah wouldn't a 1x2 pistol fit? are there any pistols that are 1x2 and gassed up brazy? idk honestly.

slow hatch
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I mean they could but I feel like it would be odd

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Just like that you could betray someone with it

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And it would be kinda ratty

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Which I enjoy but you could just put it in the 2x2 on the base body

glass granite
chrome mauve
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i think it would be because you could put better items there most likely, i think they would have to put quite a strat together to light me aflame with their prison pocket pistol but it would be well deserved on me for dying to it

glass granite
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Only time I trust em is if they leave me alone and leave or leave raid

chrome mauve
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I actually ran into a dude yesterday with a 3 stack (2 completely naked, me with free kit), my friend walked in mic open shot him with a fire extinguisher, then the dude opened his mic up and was like "yall trynna raid this ship together" best 4 man experience ive had thus far, the random even got killed by another guy and screamed to warn us, the other dude simply said sorry then started going ham. best marauders moment for me thus far

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nobody on that team made it out but the last dude going ham.

sharp marsh
chrome mauve
sharp marsh
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sharp marsh
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my butt muscles aren't strong enough to pull a trigger lol

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i need to work out more

chrome mauve
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gluteus maximus requires work indeed

slow hatch
# sharp marsh betray someone how?

act all friendly then take the gun out of your secure container and pop them while they are looting and yes I have thought this out and maybe done it before

sharp marsh
slow hatch
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just a thought but ok

sharp marsh
# slow hatch just a thought but ok

just saying that fear doesn't make any sense for this game with how it already is any way, adding a 1x2 secure pocket wouldnt change the fact that a guy could have like his 2x2 klobb on his person anyway

slow hatch
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ok but what if I want a med kit there

chrome mauve
# sharp marsh just saying that fear doesn't make any sense for this game with how it already i...

I guess though the 1x2 would hide on the characters model, so if it had a pistol it would be hard to see. I can see my equipped 2x2 pistol on character. So in theory if I had no guns and for some reason they trust I can do no harm, then the butt pistol could catch them off guard. Med kit would just help you I think prep or in raid. If you kill me with a med kit, post it, it oughta go viral.

sharp marsh
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sharp marsh
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even if naked you basically have a 2x2 prison pocket already, just it's the part of the prison pocket with easy access

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need a deeper, smaller prison pocket that people can't access for tokens or my car keys :p

chrome mauve
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the plumber's pocket was full of quarters, I wonder how they got there...

frosty shore
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Iā€™d abuse this with silver coins for the slot machine

tepid ledge
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how about a mechanic where you interact with a device that jettisons a small item pod from the POI to the escape gate to secure an item (not literally ofc, just how it operates)?
It would still require you enter the raid and go to a specific location, requiring risk. But also facilitates the desire to have items "secured" while being able to continue risking your life. It also lines up with the current Gate Activation Terminal gameloop

sharp marsh
frosty shore
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What about a gauntlet that can store all 5 infinity stones and you can snap your finger to make 50% of marauders disappear

sharp marsh
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totally rational take

heady wing
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I 100% support this idea

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I'm tired of bringing in tokens to then get bad maps and be killed because there no more space gates at the beginning of matches

glass granite
willow dove
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Why does this have only 19 likes it's a great idea for tokens only ..

frosty shore
tall ridge
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I like

echo creek
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the only use i think for this is allowing people to put keys in them to fight warden with no risk right? and allowing to open depos etc. ig. kinda goes against the ā€œyou knew the risksā€ thing

tall ridge
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Not to mention once you actually use the depot token or get the warden you can still die and lose it all

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Have a group of Chads rush to your position as soon as they hear the depot door opening up.

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That logic is already faulty since the best loot in the game, that being in the vault, can be accessed through the readily available and craftable blowtorch

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Yet it is still difficult due to the extremely sought out nature of the location and encountering other players either on your way there or on your way back out

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It doesn't remove the risk it just gives players a chance to actually be able to use it or keep it until they get a raid where they can use it

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There isn't much of a worse feeling in this game than having CE codes and not having a merchant ship sapwn in the raid at all

echo creek
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and by choosing maps itā€™s like- weā€™re on our ships going to locations- were we blindly driving and coming upon these maps? or do we know where we are going. cause then shouldnā€™t we choose where we want to go. if weā€™re blindly driving around and encountering then that makes sense

tall ridge
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glass granite
tall ridge
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As for lore reasons, your guy could just have the pocket be inside of his pressure suit.

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Or inside a part of it

tall ridge
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How would this safe pocket work would it just be something you have at the start of the game or would it be like a safe container you need to equip which you obtain later on?

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Perhaps you could make this little safe pocket container a zero to hero reward similar to the compact container for your stash

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So newer players couldnā€™t cheese progress via shoving some gold coins in their ass

north wedge
glass granite
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Well devs on stream said theyā€™d never do something like this. Probably gonna abandon this suggestion but if it keeps getting upvotes who knows, might happen

tall ridge
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Yeeup

hexed lichen
tall ridge
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Donā€™t listen to him make more

glass granite
serene furnace
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what about having some way to send loot to your stash mid raid? maybe on the higher quality ships they could spawn with a little loot drone or pod that can carry 2x2 so u could throw a token/silver coins in it at the start of a raid if u see ur not gonna be able to use em, u would have to launch it from ur ship and maybe even give it some overwatch so it can leave safely. could be further expanded by some raid locations having bigger drones that can send loot back to ur stash mid raid (it wouldn't be a end all due to limited storage and this drone being the size of a drop pod, making destroying it out in space and recovering the loot a viable way to counter it/improve space combat). I also think a 1x1 secure "wallet" or something really wouldnt make the game easier as they only thing u could ever fit in there would be money (which isnt the resource that holds u back in this game after 5+ hours of playing) however the fact u wouldn't be able to kill marauders to get their tokens would 100% suck

glass granite
tall ridge
serene furnace
# tall ridge Like a drop-off point? Throw your bag over?

its like a shipping drone with dedicated spawns in certain raid locations that you interact with (like escape pods) and instead of u climbing into it, it opens a inventory (sized however devs want to balance) that you fill with whatever u want and then can send it to try and leave the map (it would be an actual physical drone/pod thing that can be shot down by ships outside the raid location to obtain the loot inside). you could even balance it by maybe making you pay coins/money in order to be able to use it. lorewise you could say that they're like shipping/hauling drones that can be paid for/hacked, it could even have a long interaction time (as you need to "manually" input your stash location) to prevent people just running to it and dumping their gear in a gunfight if they think they r gonna die.

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Separately, Higher quality ships (i dont think rust bucket and other cheap ship variants should have access to this, as it would encourage people to actually buy good ships when doing "big" raids and, maybe god forbid fight in space instead of immediately docking) should have a very small version of this (only holds 3x3) that they can use to send stuff out of raid (tokens/blow torch/coins or maybe a few choice pieces of loot if you fall prey to a ambush upon leaving raid location/salvage) once again this can be shot down (although hard to do from a distance do to small hitbox, but its slower so if u eject it in combat the enemies fighting you can destroy it if they react fast enough). I think this sytem would provide a balanced lore appropriate way to get your tokens out if you get bad rng on raid location, while also making the games where you swear u killed the whole raid map and are now looking through every single container tryna find your 10 I-paper only to get shot in the back by some rat whos been croutch-walking around the whole map. Now if you have "control" of the raid location you have a way to get some more loot out. (this will also help solo's who can easily feel overburdened with loot on a successful raid after dying 4 times in a row to teams of players on previous raids)

tall ridge
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and other people could shoot the drone down and intercept it

serene furnace
tall ridge
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glass granite
glass granite
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Jeez, didnā€™t think this would reach 45 likes

heady wing
serene furnace
# glass granite I like it

thanks, i agree that we need some better system for tokens, i just dont like the idea of killing someone on their way to outpost depot and not getting their token. i also dont like the idea of dying in asteroid mine holding your outpost token you took in.

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I also still think there needs to a be a inherent risk to bringing a token in though, and a punishment/payment in order to sucessfully "protect" your token. That's why you would need to use a higher grade ship (payment) and why the drone can still be shot down (risk) and why if you dont want it to get shot down you need to take time out of your raid to protect it (punishment)

sharp marsh
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if you enter a raid and neither map uses your token, have it auto call the gates in for ye :p

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and then if you enter a raid and you can use your token at a poi, it deletes itself if you try to leave without using it

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that's my dumb solution lol

serene furnace
# sharp marsh if you enter a raid and neither map uses your token, have it auto call the gates...

if it calls the gates for you though it would have to call it for everyone, and a token just "deleting" it self is pretty non-meta and reality breaking. who knows maybe the new "radio" item that they are going to add that allows you call the gates whenever will just become standard to run with your tokens. (as tbh if your a good player you have no reason to call the gates early imo, so u could just save it for your token runs)

sharp marsh
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at times you get tired of trying to think up a good day to do it and just say "magic deletes it" lol

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better would be if there way a way to veto or vote for maps you actually want

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if i wanna use a mines token and i get colony and navy 5 times in a row, well that sucks and a waste of transmitters

serene furnace
# sharp marsh better would be if there way a way to veto or vote for maps you actually want

i feel with the whole "choose your own map" debate is that people would A) start running loadouts to "cheese" maps B) only pick the "best" map for loot half the time if their not doing a zero to hero (i get the devs should theoretically have no "best" map and they should all be balanced but thats rlly hard) and C) it would lead to longer queue times. It is a nice simple fix to the whole token/zero to hero quests situation, but the fact that they have re-worked the zero to hero and talked negativly before about map selection leads me to believe it isnt in their vision for the game atm. But yeah even the radio situation is a clunky one no matter how rare they are, maybe if they make them buyable behind a decent trader level?

sharp marsh
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even that sucks tbh though cause it's never a good solution imo to want to leave a raid the second you're in cause it's not a map you need

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personally i think tokens should be reworked like zero to hero, perhaps just say f it and make it so you can use em anywhere

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would solve the problem easily enough

serene furnace
# sharp marsh even that sucks tbh though cause it's never a good solution imo to want to leave...

agreed, even when you could just leave b4 the gate patch it wasn't fun to: spawn in, check out raid locations, look for exit gate, fly to exit gate, leave game, go back into q, repeat. I hate to toot my own horn but thats partly why i thought of my drone idea. even if you dont get the map your looking for you can still send the drone out to go back into your stash with the token, then proceed to do the raid as usual without disrupting the exit gates/number of marauders in the current game.

serene furnace
sharp marsh
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alternatively they give up rng entirely and just make the maps rotate

serene furnace
# sharp marsh unless they say add a one use, let's say warp transmitter, that lets you pick th...

thats not a bad idea, my mind immediately went to offerings in dbd. which are unique single use items that transport you to their respective map. The rotating maps wouldn't be terrible either but then at that point were back to people knowing exactly what raid location their gonna get everytime which allows them to build a "cheese" loadout for that map specifically, which maybe isnt a bad thing? but nevertheless something that would change the metagame and would need to be tested.

sharp marsh
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if anything may make a suggestion about it later.. and by later i mean in acouple weeks when im done my vacation

serene furnace
heady wing
sharp marsh
serene furnace
heady wing
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depots aren't too desirable anyways

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vaults are way better cause you can use a torch on each

sharp marsh
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better compared to depots right now*

heady wing
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yes

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would it make sense tho? no
but gamepaly wise it's a right decision\

serene furnace
# heady wing depots aren't too desirable anyways

yeah fr they need to add like "top" teir loot into depots rare guns with full attachments, explosives, rare materials (gold and nuke, etc) high level armor. The fact you can get better loot outta the vault you open every raid vs the depot you just played 3 raids to open is pretty poopy. Maybe instead of just boxes they also add loose guns/armor from the highest tier loot table. Like i dont know about anyone else but i probably on average played like an hour a day and 2 months ago i had 2.5 million and 15 supply drops in my inventory at all times, when it gets like that often times you dont even care about loot in the depot cause are you really gonna find better armor than your level 11 full sherman rig you got from the ce drop and the stg that came with it? i feel like i play this game more for the combat/gameplay rather than the loot anymore tbh.

sharp marsh
heady wing
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but now that you can't even craft ships it's mostly useless. the only upside is that it has a high chance for nuclear material

sharp marsh
serene furnace
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^ yeah we can XD

sharp marsh
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i havent been on vacation that long lmao

heady wing
serene furnace
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but why bother when you can buy a better one with ur millions of dollars that dont take up storage space

heady wing
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now you have to complete zero to hero to even unlock nuclear launcher even tho I have 4 nuclear material collecting dust

sharp marsh
serene furnace
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heady wing
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Be cause they wanted money to be more useful

sharp marsh
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my only guess was an attempt to get people to try different turrets

heady wing
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I hope guilds will bring some sort of material grind so depots can be useful again

sharp marsh
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money is more useful just by being able to buy ships, locking your ability to customize though doesnt help it really

serene furnace
sharp marsh
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honestly they should give us customizing back for ships and let people say buy diff turrets and parts on a timer

heady wing
serene furnace
sharp marsh
heady wing
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there's still hope that they revert it

serene furnace
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like ngl some of the best fun ive had in this game is the space combat wish they would focus on it more

heady wing
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I'm fine with there being different variations of ships to buy which slightly differ but we should be able to customize them

sharp marsh
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if they did revert it though, I would make getting rockets rare lol