Loot/Risk needs to be improved

[simple river]

speak for yourself lol. im bringing in top tier gear every raid whenever i can, because it helps me kill other players

and lots of people do too. with a good back pack like radio or barrel u can loot up who you kill pretty easily by the way, and if ur using a good ship with storage that is extra stuff u can extract with on top

in panzer and lvl 12 helmet ur never getting one shot unless it is point blank trench gun to the face

[chilly bramble]

TBH luck of the draw, sometimes people just arent wearing good stuff, or you just get unlucky with loot spawns. I often find myself seeing a fair mix. Besides. Still waiting on being able to pack rigs into backpacks for me to stock up on instead of reg panzer armor.

[mortal prism]

i think thats called personal bias no? you yourself wear good gear, but how many players you kill have good gear, we on average encounter less than 10% of players with good geatr, even though we see a lot of players, and yeah you do get 1 tapped by most weps in any gear that can happen, less often in lvl 12 panzer, but still happens a lot

[rose nymph]

Soul, I kind of look at the current system as "Do what you want to do." If you want to bring in good gear then do it. If you prefer to run with mid tier stuff then do it. If you want to go in with nothing but the free gear on the rustbucket then you can do that.

If you have gear fear, the fear of losing "good" stuff, then you can certainly choose to leave it behind. Some players recommend taking your best gear on every run, some don't. I tend to take better gear if I'm trying to accomplish something specific, and run in mid-tier stuff if I'm not. Each player can choose what they want to do right now, they can weigh the risk versus reward of bringing better gear or leaving it behind and make that decision.

[simple river]

a lot of players wear good gear... i just finished a raid and wiped a team whilst they were using trnch guns, l1a1s, panzer etc

[mortal prism]

yeah im not talking about the decisions, but the reason bhind them, why do people choose to bring in nothing, well because u can get max ghear even wearing nothing, why risk anything at all?

[simple river]

but yes, a lot more people use worse gear that is true, and that is either because of gear fear or not haivng good gear to begin with

if every game you encountered people in the best gear, something would be wrong. just because ur worried about losing gear doesnt mean others are

[simple river]

ur also much more likely to get killed in bad gear

[mortal prism]

exactly, like u said, its either not available or no reason to risk it, so how do we alleviate the reasons for that to encourage mnore exciting gameplay?

[simple river]

how long have u had the game for?

[mortal prism]

im a grinder, I can tell you much longer then you since you type while we play lol

[simple river]

your not going to be regularly killing fully geared people using ur smg and lvl 7 armour

[mortal prism]

exactly, are you reaidng the suggestion? because ur saying what I am saying and u dont know it

[errant merlin]

why, first day I played the game I got 5 lvl 12 sets from players using lvl 7 gear, the time to kill is instant no matter what gun anyway

[mortal prism]

rather a question than a suggestion*

[simple river]

so you need to be using good gear to kill other highly geared people.... that is ur motivation isnt it simple lol

[mortal prism]

not at all, u dont need good gear to kill high geared people, if u do there is a skill issue

[chilly bramble]

Sometimes just getting the drop on someone means you win or lose. no matter the gear. Gear certainly helps you live, doesnt always make you live. Plus I mean I just lived a hacker peppering me with shots from nowhere, with noone in view as I ran into the escape pod. If I didnt have good gear + lots of meds, I wouldnt live if I didnt have decent gear.

[simple river]

whats uyr marauder kd

since u think it doesnt help having good gear. im really curious to know

and u say just straight up wrong things, like being 1 hit killed even if ur in the best armour in the game, which is not true LOL

[chilly bramble]

Lmfao if we are throwing that as a somehow fact. I have a .7 kd

[mortal prism]

i am curious if u read what I type or you just type before reading

[simple river]

i did read what u typed and it is wrong

[chilly bramble]

Have died to plenty of bs crashes/invis bs or otherwise.

[mortal prism]

did not say at all better gear doesnt help, clearly the amount it helps isnt enough as people make the deciosion not to bring it, you can look at on average and think back on your gameplay for the week or month and see how many ppl u kill are welfare or have no gear, how either this is a risk/.reward issue, or people not having enough of the gear issue, who knows

[simple river]

that is also wrong, good players with high kds are bringing in good gear every raid

[mortal prism]

they are not, if u watch sev, knodavibez, or anyone else usually start out with plate rig, we can all make lvl 9 platerigs for super cheap cost nothing, they uograde from other players

[chilly bramble]

Eh, personally depends on time of day for me. But... good players dont always bring in good armor/helmets, just good guns or just play a shite ton.
Law of large numbers just means you get shite.

[simple river]

they will be using good guns

[errant merlin]

I just bring in lvl 7 gear bc it really doesnt matter what you wear u can kill players with anything

[simple river]

whats ur kd, u keep saying it doenst matter

[mortal prism]

are you trying to say kd is related to what everone experiences in terms of others players gear/loot?, you type on every post disagreeing and u dont play the game

[simple river]

im saying it does, being able to kill other players often leads you with much more better loot

ur the last one alive in the raid, and u have access to lots of gear from people u kill. thats how i get all my gear actually, from killing other players

[mortal prism]

yeah, same we start out welfare and 1 tap lvl 12s and take their gear to upgrade, so literally what we do is the issue im talking about, even though you agreed with me in the entire post you are trying to contradict yourself, so I am really confused what is your point

[simple river]

i think ur kd would be higher if u were using good gear

[errant merlin]

i use shit gear and mines 5.6

[simple river]

mines nearly 15

[errant merlin]

either way, why does KD matter? do u get a reward

[simple river]

will be over 15 after this weekend

[mortal prism]

ya our kd is high cause we kill welfares with full gear, what does kd matter, we are talking about a core gameplay problem

[simple river]

and my stash is comepletely full of high tier loot from players i kill

[mortal prism]

and you are just stuck in your head unable to view the game outside your experience

[errant merlin]

me too?

[mortal prism]

you agree with us but still argue, why are we alive

[simple river]

no, that is you claiming that there is no motivation to use good gear

[simple river]

more fun, more kills and more gear

[mortal prism]

CLEARLY NOT AS MINORTY OF PLAYERS DO, AND U TALK ABOUT UR EXPERIENCE ON WHY UR USING GOOD GEAR< IMAGINE thinking of anyone else but yourself

[errant merlin]

I mean i have a worse kd than you but i still have stash full of lvl 12 so what ur saying doesnt make sense, while i only use shit gear

[simple river]

i dont even pick up lvl 12 helmets anymore

[mortal prism]

im glad u dont, cause gameplay changes depend entirely on u

[simple river]

u should use them up, they are useless in your stash

yea, any noob who only wants to collect gear and nothing else can just endlessly fill their stash up

but that is boring af, when u could be pvping and getting more kills with it

but hey, if all u want to do is collect loot and not go for kills, then that is fine. just dont say dumb stuff like having good gear doesnt help in a fight

[errant merlin]

All i do it pvp, but wearing the worst gear is pretty mucht he same effect when u 1 shot ppl anyway and at the same time having 0 risk

[mortal prism]

try imagining the reason why those "noobs" are hoarding loot not using it, you are talking about kd in a non ranked game, try thinking about what other players think not strictly what u do, what is the reason 90% of players welfare, are they lacking loot, are they hoarding the loot in their stash?

[simple river]

this tells me u have no idea what u are talking about

[errant merlin]

no.. this just tells me you dont know how to aim

[simple river]

tell me, what is 1 hit killing u in the best gear

[mortal prism]

crabs you are a serious troll, you reply on every post and base everything on strictly what u do

[simple river]

i just comment politley first on posts that i think are wrong, then the op gets annoyed sometimes and gets angry at me

[simple river]

ur just blindly saying 90 percent of noobs dont want to bring good gear

[charred shoal]

Hey @mortal prism, I think that while some tweaks here and there will continue to happen to weapons and armor, it is largely intentional on the parts of the devs to make sure that even top tier gear is NOT impervious to any gun.

I can tell you with over 600 hours in the game with a LOT of pvp experience that I have lived countless times because I happened to have a lvl 12 armor on and LOTS of meds instead of crappy lvl 7 armor. Especially against weapons like shotguns, lvl 11 and 12 armor really makes an unbelievable difference.

However, no one is immune to death, and that is the intent of the game. This is unlike games like tarkov where people resort to shooting people in the knees and a heavy reliance on wipes to overcome game imbalances.

Hope that helps!

[simple river]

where do u even get that from, just the top of your head

[chilly bramble]

I hoard cause I just hoard, otherwise I do wear gear if I feel like it. It is literally choice as to or not.
K/D has nothing to do with how good you are at the game. Just means you play/desire pvp.

[simple river]

kd shows ur skill at killing other players

nothing complicated about it. the whole thing is these guys are saying good gear doesnt help in pvp when it obviously does

if you want to endlessly hoard your loot that is fine, i dont have anything against that

[errant merlin]

every AR in the game instakills to lvl12, also no. We arent saying good gear doesnt help were saying that the risk does not outway the reward

[simple river]

no it doesnt, its a 2 shot head shot in lvl 12 helmets. u dont know what u are talking about

[chilly bramble]

^^ this opinion. here. KD means jack shite. Enjoy the game. Dont just be a toxic pvp ah I am better cause my KD is higher.
This game is still being worked upon, IDK why your insistence on KD = Skill.

[mortal prism]

idk why u keep talking about kd, also @charred shoal xelaster Im not saying better armor =/= death, talking about the decisions majority of palyers we encounter on why they wear welfare, lack of loot, or risk/reward system, me and my partner start every game off in welfare and kill players in full armor, why dow e do it? because why risk anything when you can do that, is it an issue with the armor? Idk its a question

[errant merlin]

yeah and u shoot 2 bullets instantly, but crabs u go onto every single suggestion post and disagree with all of them. idek if you play the game

[simple river]

u said good gear doesnt matter, so i asked u what ur kd was since u claim u never use good gear and always get kills

[chilly bramble]

Good gear literally barely improves your living chance, sometimes spread isnt in your favor, sometimes people get the drop on you or you them.
Good god stop spouting KD is everything.

[simple river]

if ur bad at the game it barely improves ur living chance maybe

[errant merlin]

this thank you

[simple river]

but good players, it helps amplify ur skill a lot, because u die less to campers and random unlucky hits

[mortal prism]

headshots almost instant klill with most guns, wether you wear 12 panzer or not, because its a headshot, and the 12 helmet doesnt cover face, the point isnt "wear good armor and u win" the point is , why wear good armor when u can welfare with lvl 9 plate rig

[chilly bramble]

Buddy. Literal seconds difference between good gear or not for helmet.

[charred shoal]

there is currently only 1 gun that can 1 tap a level 12 helmet, and that is the trench shotgun and 9/10 pellets MUST hit the head for it to 1 tap you. And it just got nerfed. This information is wrong.

[simple river]

against smgs, the difference is greater

[errant merlin]

Im not saying 1 tap im saying instakill there is a difference

[simple river]

u need to move around more, i never get instakilled

[errant merlin]

if you think AR's dont kill almost instantly then you are wrong no matter which armor you wear

[chilly bramble]

Not in my EXP I still dunk lvl 12 helmets.

[mortal prism]

im tnot talking about 1 tap instant kill, a 1 tap happens in a sec or less wether from 1 bullet or a spray, any weapon can "1 tap you"

[chilly bramble]

Also isnt having a longer firefight more enjoyable than instakilling them?

[mortal prism]

when headshots are king, lvl 12 panzer armor is irrelevant, xelastor you win those battles because those players tou fight are aiming center mass

[simple river]

speak for urself, i never die instantly cus i move around and peak different angles

[errant merlin]

no its because you arent fighting good players lol

[chilly bramble]

... move around and peak. Yes not like we arent doing that ourselves.

[simple river]

im fighting good players all the time

[mortal prism]

its hard to measure because most players are bad and they cant aim headshots, when u fight good players who headshot u can see the difference in fights

[simple river]

why dont we 1v1

[errant merlin]

no you are not fighting good players all the time LOL, if you think you are fighting good players all the time then you are an average player urself

[mortal prism]

ooo damn the 1v1 card has been pulled, that shall decide it all..xD

[chilly bramble]

Me: Kinda crap all things considered myself. Sound helps me play a lot. Sound messed up rn messes me big time cause I cant look where I think someone is coming from as I am blind far distance player spotting.

[charred shoal]

you need a be hit in the head twice in a row for this to happen, except the MG42 and L1A1 which can 1 head 1 body. It's exceedingly rare to insta someone that quickly because movement is king. If you die often like this, I can help coach you such that you aren't a sitting duck dying quickly.

Alternatively you can watch many of the top tier streamers and learn the ropes that way.

[simple river]

the guys here are nubs and they dont kjnow what they are talking about

[mortal prism]

xelastor I can tell you play and you experience it, you know why people carry full inventory of heals? well they expect a long battle, so over time you will outlast the other player, however you know why you loot people with full inventory of heals? because you 1 tap headshot them, and having 500 heals or 1 makes no diff

[errant merlin]

1 headshot and 2 bodies also kills. you know the differnce between shooting 1 bullet and 3 is like .01 seconds?

[simple river]

just making baseless claims about the game which arent true

[chilly bramble]

... Sometimes just latency or other things happen. moving doesnt help when someone quick peaks and you dont even see them poke their head around the corner.

[errant merlin]

Crabs you just dont sound like you know how to play the game no offense

[simple river]

i already asked u to 1v1

[errant merlin]

that is worthless in every game im sorry to tell you, 1v1s in games prove nothing lol

[simple river]

prove to me u do

[mortal prism]

crabs all u want is kd and 1v1, you are so oblivious to any game mechanics it hurts

[chilly bramble]

1v1 literally is worthless as there is no ranked gameplay, and 1v1 is literally pointless when I could sneak up on your ass in other games or even just straight out deck with exp. I am not a FPS main.

[simple river]

i know the mechanics of this game very well, which is why i know ur just talking garbage

when u say good gear doesnt help

[mortal prism]

yet u agree and still cant explain why majority are welfare, so im confused

[chilly bramble]

See now I somehow doubt your knowledge now.

[errant merlin]

all of this experience is from me killing players, and when i die once every like 10-20 raids its instant death with lvl 12 armor. You sound like u are agreeing with the original post but you are arguing about kd im confused on if you even know what is going on?

[simple river]

anyway i gtg in a bit. i think when u get better and lose the gear fear, u will see how going into raids with l1a1 and panzer helps a lot

[charred shoal]

I think you actually answer your own question here.

Looter-shooter-extractor genre is dynamic in that depending on your skill and how much you have looted to your stash, your gameplay changes.

After another 50 hours of gameplay lets say, you WILL start to bring out much better gear, because the increase in survivabilitiy IS WORTH losing a small chance of losing that gear.

Think about it - if you are saying it's EASY to get good kits, and you ARE getting them... why not bring them out?

That effect multiplies over time and your stash FILLS, which is the hard stop to hoarding.

[errant merlin]

its funny because before you commented on this post, i said kingofcrabs is going on every post disagreeing and arguing and then u come to this one aswell LOL

[simple river]

because hes not a noob and he knows ur wrong lol

this is one of the most garbage posts ive seen on here

[errant merlin]

its easy to get good armor from players yes, but its rare that those players even come out thats the problem.

[simple river]

just so many baseless assumptions and wrong info

[chilly bramble]

Anywho I say loot/risk can always change, player presence and AI presence sometimes mean you die fast or AI just tap your head with shotguns.
Sometimes I hoard cause I just do, but its because of bs in people just quick peeking and I literally see their head flash.
I have shit reaction speed. Yet I still have a ".7 kd" as a casual player. What is the KD on lots of games or win rates? 50%. I think I am doing just fine as is.
and your opinion of KD is worthless to me.

[errant merlin]

today as an example. we just did 20 raids with full gear and didnt see a single geared person so we took it off, why risk our good gear against people that we gain nothing from killing

[chilly bramble]

Oh or me: even playing field = good fight/stakes. Just me being cheeky.

[mortal prism]

@charred shoal but do you not see the point of wether I bring them out or not, has no affect because I either bring them out and evnetually get 1 tapped, or dont and 1 tap sum1 high hgear and get it, I am talking outside my own personal experience and analyzing when 90% of players WE ALL encounter in this game are welfare, its like saying the whole town is starving but 1 guy lives in a castle, why is the whole town starving there is a reason behind that :D

[simple river]

using good gear is for fun, what is the point of stacking it up endlessly in your stash

[errant merlin]

yeah exactly that too, if ppl are equal gear its much mor fun. its not fun fighting 20 people that have pistols

[simple river]

and it lessens ur deaths which is a fact

[charred shoal]

@mortal prism I assure you it's not that big of a problem. There is so much loot in this game that arguably the bigger problem is the abundance of loot. BUT I think this is fine too.

It's a balancing act that the player decides for themselves. For as many crappy kits as you bring out, there will be someone who bring good kits AND meds AND knows how to play, and will best you because they have the edge.

[errant merlin]

who cares abt dying though thats the thing ? u sound like ur a player that likes farming ppl with no gear for KD which doesnt equate to anything besides bragging

[chilly bramble]

I am personally just glad this game isnt like Tarkov where you die to anything easily and have no loot.
This game meanwhile you can get loot just by being ok, and maybe getting a kill or two off geared players you get the drop on.

[errant merlin]

which i guess is exactly what you are doing under every post lol

[mortal prism]

abundance of loot, yeah the 500 warbonds and g rings give you money, nothing to burn the money on with lvl 10 vendors, open countless vaults and 1/50 of those are worth anyuthing, because the supply boxes are also rng, I can assure you there is no "abundance of good loot", balancing act of what players decide for themselves, why do u think players decide the way they do is the entire point, king of crabs has been derailing it, and you are smart enough to try and see the actual purpose of decisions

[simple river]

i only ever bring up the kd thing when someione says skill issue or something simila

[chilly bramble]

Precisely toxic behavior that pissed me off cause KD means nothing unless its ranked.

Well. Ranked gameplay.

[errant merlin]

but if you neeed good gear to kill good players it is a skill issue? its not debatable

[simple river]

when someone says skill issue to me, or claims i am bad because of my opinion, that is when i will mention kd, if the other person doesnt have the stats to back up their trash talk then shut up lol

[chilly bramble]

Better yet. Why the fuck respond with skill issue to many things immediately instead of offering advice to help/troubleshoot what went wrong.

[simple river]

i am offering advice, i started off this post saying gear helps, then these guys get triggered

[charred shoal]

I feel like there is a disconnect in this forum. I can assure you that death happens to all of us, from .2 KD noob to the 13 KD of Sevvverino.

The fast TTK in this game is real. People learn to NOT ego peak, NOT take bad challenges, and NOT sit still for more than 1-2 seconds to avoid it as much as possible.

At the end of the day it's a hardcore shooter. You can be 2 tapped and that's reality. If this isn't to your liking, this genre in general won't work for you

[errant merlin]

stats mean nothing really in most games, lots of pro players in video games including myself had bad stats in public matches and such because who cares? about kd

[simple river]

then dont make the dumb claim that gear doesnt help kd

this whole thing is about u guys mindlessly saying good gear doesnt help get kills

[errant merlin]

were not even upset, you actually unintendedly agreed with the original post but continued to argue something different

[mortal prism]

yeah xelaster u are correct, however not what we are talking about at all unfortunately

[charred shoal]

The other disconnect in this forum is that surviving is LESS about gear and MORE about:

1. Meds
2. Movement

The benefit meds and movement gives you FAR FAR FAR outweigh the benefits of armor.

[simple river]

yes, having lots of meds is the way to play

[errant merlin]

every person i kioll is full inventory of meds, why do you think that is?

either way different topic, thats not what this post is about

[simple river]

u should do some math on the ttk or different armours in the game against different weapons

[errant merlin]

why do I need to do that when every fight is the same .. regardless of gear

[simple river]

panzer lets u survive an extra stg shot to the chest over palte rig

[charred shoal]

For every 6 marauders I kill, I die to another marauder.

So, obviously, I will occasionally die without using any of my meds. They are yours now to use as you please.

Use, Reuse, Recycle ; )

[errant merlin]

1 extra shot. Do you hear what ur saying

[simple river]

lol that is a lot

[mortal prism]

glad you gave your personal exerience, thank you for the input

[simple river]

and full panzer, lets u survive 3 trench gun shots to the chest

[errant merlin]

how fast do you think an stg shoots 1 shot. When are you ever 50/50 full gun figthing where that shot makes a difference? almost never unless ur versing new players

No one is using trench gun... Ars just kill much faster

[simple river]

im good enough to exploit that difference, because i have good reaction times :)P

[mortal prism]

kingofpeppega

[simple river]

just because iot doesnt help u, dont assume its the same for everyone else

[chilly bramble]

What. How. I have almost always died to one shot trench to body. with a few pellets hitting head.

[errant merlin]

thats not reaction time im srry to say, you dont sound like u have any experience in any shooting games

[simple river]

u sound like a noob who doesnt know much about this game or its mechanics

[charred shoal]

Trenchie fires 10 pellets dealing 16 damage each.

4x10 is 40, so no, crab is wrong, you can only survive 2 shots to the chest. 3rd will kill you.

[simple river]

no wonder even when ur in good gear, u die and so u claim it doenst help

[simple river]

lvl 12 panzer i said

[charred shoal]

yes, 16-12 is 4 x 10 is 40. 40x3= 120 means you died

[simple river]

in lvl 12 panzer, its 3 shot to the chest if all pellets hit

yea, it takes 3 shots to kill u vs 2 with the other.

oh if i said survie 3 shots that is my bad

[charred shoal]

ok yes, but you didn't say that, you said you can "survive 3 shots" which is not the case

[simple river]

lol i meant lets u survive an extra shot but misstyped

[chilly bramble]

Reaction time means jack when

1. hardware can affect what you see.
2. internet (duh) can just kill you with packet loss.
3. game in dev, terrain is wonky, spread is a thing, sometimes bugs happen.
4. Why are you @simple river being uncivil with constant "noob" or "skill issue" and constant fixation on KD? We have said it doesnt matter much if at all.

[simple river]

u claimed i was bad first, that is why i brought up kd in the first place

[chilly bramble]

Where on earth did I claim you were bad first?

Because I am certainly bad at interpreting how my speech affects others or if they got what I said/meant.

Also just be bloody civil and dont go insult route. Gets much more praise.

[mortal prism]

kingofdabs

[errant merlin]

it sounds like u just can’t aim if you think every gun doesn’t kill almost instantly regardless of armor no offense

[simple river]

im actually very polite and i try to be nice to everyone, but when i disagree with some people they get really angry at me and thats how this usually starts

lol

[errant merlin]

I don’t like to call ppl stuff but there isn’t a debate of saying guns don’t kill instantly that’s just the game design

[mortal prism]

its not u, its every1 else

[charred shoal]

Listen Snood, I genuinely think you should play something different if you don't think 2 taps to the head should kill you.

This is the genre you are in, It's hardcore pvp. They got rid of the 1 tap heads, but 2 isn't going away.

[chilly bramble]

You started off this chat with something that can be considered toxic by adding " lol (ha ha your opinion) " This immediately makes me think you are being a butt.

[simple river]

but u keep claiming people are dying instantly, when i am telling u from my experience im not getting killed instantly

[round tartan]

Nothing but gear fear along with major skill issues

[chilly bramble]

FFS you are just pvp mongering. I just enjoy the damned game. Skill issue is just insulting without offers of advice when will you blokes get that.

[mortal prism]

ya gear fear, risk vs reward the entire thing im talking aobut, why u think people who are hoarding dont bring their gear, or do they not have gear to bring, whichever one of those is the majority is what we are talking about, so thank you for agreeing

[simple river]

im willing to bet the majority of people hoardign their gear and not bringing it into raids suck at pvp

[errant merlin]

"from your experience" but. If i am killing people instantly then which one sounds correct? If its possible and is happening that just means you arent able to do it

[simple river]

the people that get dropped instantly are noobs. good players who know how to peak and move arent getting killed that fast

[errant merlin]

the rank 1 and 2 player and everyone in top 10 are noobs? oh my bad

[chilly bramble]

Ooooo boi. I am kitted as I want, just means I got surplus and havent died. I just like keeping too much for a rainy day is all. FML.

[simple river]

fighting a good player, it usually comes down to who runs out of meds

[errant merlin]

The fact you said this is so absurdly wrong. Ive never in the game used a full inventory of meds the fights always end fast because 1 person is getting headshot

[chilly bramble]

Agreed there, meds mean a lot. Circumstances of when you catch someone unaware usually means death in a few seconds.

That and headshots are king in this game regardless.

[simple river]

ive had fights against really top tier players, where i won or lost because i ran out of meds or they did

[fiery crystal]

Headshots probably should be king in an FPS game that's touted as 'hardcore'

[simple river]

it doesnt happen often, but good fights are usually back and forth when both players are good

[errant merlin]

ive fought multiple ppl in the top 5, and never had that happen when i killed them. so are you saying they are noobs aswell? bc they didnt use all of their meds

[chilly bramble]

This is touted as hardcore? I thought it was space pirate extraction shooter?

[fiery crystal]

I would say it shares alot of elements with games that are.

[errant merlin]

No they arent noobs the time to kill is just fast thats it

[round tartan]

Because they are weak minded individuals nothing with the game will change that, personal issues. Hoarding virtual items as if that means anything, nothing more then delusional attachments to virtual items.

[chilly bramble]

Fair nuff. Though I dont consider this hardcore as it isnt as high of a drop as Tarkov.

[mortal prism]

im glad you view the palyerbase as that, very helpful as they are the ones enabling you to play the game, dont help fix any core gameplay issues, its always just a skill issue and if ur good, no1 else matters I agree, your name is accurate

[fiery crystal]

Not even remotely as hardcore as Tarkov, it's just parallel in enough ways.

[errant merlin]

If fights are coming down to an entire inventory of meds then you just arent pushing at the proper times or arent aiming correctly thats really it

[simple river]

ur the one that said skill issue because we disagreed with u

[mortal prism]

king i cant reply to ur troll anymore sorry lol

[chilly bramble]

whistles wow someone just sent out the big toxic guns.
Weak minded... as in putting someone down just because they might not have hardware, software, exp, enjoyment?

[fiery crystal]

dont say skill issue, reword it into a longer sentence so it's different 🤓

[charred shoal]

ok bro, what the hell is "PvP Mongering"? it's a PvP game. This has to be you memeing

[chilly bramble]

That said. Im out. Exp of this chat/debate was made in point. Some just cant remain civil even when offered to re-explain opinion or just cannot comprehend that what was said was same or contradiction.
People are people.
Can we get along?

[simple river]

ur just talking so much nonsense dude

people are politely trying to disagree with u, dont take it personally and dont lash out calling people bad

[chilly bramble]

PVP mongering : Intentionally seeking conflict of players and just hounding them with whatever you got for "fun/ fights are the only fun in this game"
I am just of the opinion I like the entire game.
Looting, AI, Ships, Development of future assets, etc.

[simple river]

the people pvp mongeriong as you say usually have tons of loot as well u know

its another way to obtain loot. if ur good at pvp its better to obtain loot killing other players

[chilly bramble]

Ok. bud have you even considered what your speech can be interpreted as? No? ok. I type it out long so that others can possibly get what my quirky mind has.
Not like I am a complete utter worthless in my mind and just enjoy that I can type out fully with knowledge what I put out can be understood instead of being a dick.

[charred shoal]

So seeking PvP in a game that is made for PvP with a looting factor is somehow not enjoying the entire game?

I mean I am not saying you HAVE to seek PvP. But don't act shocked when people DO seek to fight you in a PvP game. That's silly.

[chilly bramble]

Yes. Known, but sometimes just being murderd in ship/pod and you get no loot? Thats just WHY

[simple river]

its fun, i kill pods when they try to run to the escape

because its funny... and fun that is what this game is about

[chilly bramble]

That is what I am considering pvp mongering. Just move on and find someone else if they dont want to fight.
You kill for fun?

[simple river]

i dont even need to loot anymore, but i still go in raids to look for pvp

[simple river]

but pvp is what makes this game fun

[round tartan]

I’d rather you be a dick and stop these nonsensical claims

[chilly bramble]

Then that is what the opinion of difference/need.
I like the loot, dont like fighting,
So be it like PVP and have fun.

[charred shoal]

Yes I go out to PvP because I have built A LOT of skills in this game after many hours, and the endgame is PvP. I have nothing else to loot, no other quests to do. So I go PvP in a PvP game

[simple river]

just dont say wrong things like good gear is pointless because it doesnt help in pvp

because it does help a lot

[round tartan]

hOw dArE pEoPlE KiLl fOr fUn iN a pVp gAmE?! iTs aBsUrd!!!

[mortal prism]

good input, that is what every1 is talking abvout thank you plunder, your contribution to this community is immense

[chilly bramble]

Ah so you want me to just say you arent intelligent or cannot interpret this?
OH FOR THE LOVE OF... ENJOY PVP YES ENJOY IT.

PERSONALLY I DONT ENJOY IT.
I HATE MYSELF ENOUGH. Why should I bring suffering/conflict to others when I just want to get along.
I like fighting the AI. Im not a great shooter.
I PVP when it comes to me. I dont seek it.

What is so fundamentally wrong about me just saying I like this aspect, and you have a tunnel of PVP is fun?

And yet you just go straight for the insulting.

This is why I want to end myself. AND YET WHY THE FUCK HAVE I GOTTEN TO THIS POINT TO EVEN TYPE THIS.

[simple river]

its not bringing suffering to someone else, are u really that delusional that u think this?

its competition, just like any other multiplayer game out there

[chilly bramble]

Real world problems mirrored in game. Jeesh I somehow understand some parents/delusional idiots saying video games make people violent.

Conflict is just what I say I dont want to bring. And yet you keep putting it down instead of saying other things. I see where you spend your thoughts.

I am just an observer. A quiet one after all.

Poetry in speech. What a fucking joke.

[gray yacht]

holy shit every player in this game is literally a space pirate

how is anyone surprised that immortal space pirates are constantly murdering each other

what the fuck is going on, this is a fucking video game about space pirates with guns lol

[round tartan]

Lmao go play Minecraft then! Why do people like you buy PVP games then complain about pvp?! I don’t understand

[simple river]

hes just salty cus he gets killed often, then he tries to make up a claim like this to make himself feel better, that pvpers are the real bad guys!

[chilly bramble]

Good god the intelligence is high here in that statement.
I rest my case with civility, humility and wonder why I should even apply myself to better this world so you or your kids can live happier.

[mortal prism]

thank you toxic your ability to relate everything back to skill issues from gameplay issues when the game has a million things to fix, is unparalleled, you are truly a good player that is playing his ideal game

[chilly bramble]

Ah yes. Justification out of nothing. Just like people to put others down from nothing.

What is gotten out of this.

[round tartan]

Coping at its finest

[fiery crystal]

"I rest my case with civility, humility and wonder why I should even apply myself to better this world so you or your kids can live happier." What in the name of fuck does this have anything to do with the discussion

[charred shoal]

Listen Lex, I feel like this really really isn't your game.

You can choose to not seek out pvp, but people WILL seek you. Nothing you can do about that.

I am gleaning from things you typed like "I HATE MYSELF ENOUGH" that you are getting the help you need IRL.

Please, don't make Marauders, a game about space pirates slaughtering each other for scraps, an outlet for your pacifism. It's not going to work.

[chilly bramble]

🫂 Why do I try anymore. Noone can even hear me IRL anyways. Soul thank you for your original post.
Apparently I grab too much meaning out of something or even just not give out enough information.
Perhaps just due to extensive trolling this discussion went to that.

Oh for the love of. Pacifism.

[fiery crystal]

People are disagreeing, some people take it personally and then start trolling, other people start trolling, both sides are complaining about trolls now.

[chilly bramble]

Im jsut going to leave this discussion.
It apparently is an echo chamber when everyone has their opinion and wtf.

[charred shoal]

ok fine, not pacifism, an outlet for whatever issue you may have irl

please, it's not worth it. Leave this forum.

[mortal prism]

i mean its a great discussion besides toxic guy, his even dumber than kingofcrabs that should be a discord tag worthy

[chilly bramble]

Appreciate it. However I hate myself still too much and somehow feel something from this.

[round tartan]

I know I’m the best, thanks! Now try to work on your blatant skill issues! Btw pointing out skill issues is not “pUtTiNg oThErS dOwN” it’s called pointing out facts which they obviously can’t or refuse to see in themselves. When something is ignorantly looked past or blatantly ignored due to mere feelings then it takes someone else to point that out to them.

[chilly bramble]

🫂 Anywho. Hugs for all. Enjoy your day and games.
Thank someone as someday you may thank yourself.

[mortal prism]

i mean if u want to get personal and off the main point i can join u, I seen u play and killed u countless times, you are completely average so idk why you of all people talking about a skill issue, probably even kingofdabs who comments on every post has better average performance, but the thing is you try to get personal and only talk about your experience because of an inability to see bigger issues, and as long as it doesnt affect you it sfine the way it is

[simple river]

theres no discussion. only baseless claims made about gear being useless and just some friednly players trying to point out how wrong u are

[mortal prism]

relax crabs

[errant merlin]

im pretty sure plunder is the one that accussed me of cheating, how can you say skill issue to other ppl?

ah yes he was lol

[chilly bramble]

Just consider speech and words have many meaning and how others can interpet. Just all I want to say.
Apparently as eloquently put: "ThAt C4NN0T b3" .

[errant merlin]

if my experience is insta killing everyone in lvl 12 with shit gear its not baseless claims... you saying u cant do that means u just arent good enough yet? it doesnt mean its not true

[fiery crystal]

"if you want to get personal"

You've been getting personal for the last 30 posts in this thread

[errant merlin]

and sometimes ill get killed in .1 second by an mp40 in lvl 12 too it just happens

[simple river]

i drop people instantly often, but good players dont tend to get dropped instantly, and i myself hardly ever die instantly as u say

[mortal prism]

nah i related all replies back to the original discussion of risk vs reward/loot on gear, kingofdabs tried to derail really hard with kd and 1v1s and skill issues, and i dont even know what u are trying to do shooter you are the wildcard but i respect it

[simple river]

like i said, proove to me how good u are before u trash talk, uve backed out to several 1v1 offers now

[errant merlin]

ive never trash talked.. u are just boasting about KD which means nothing..

[simple river]

i wasnt boasting, i asked u what ur kd was cus u said i must have bad aim

[errant merlin]

KD doesnt mean u have good aim what are you saying lol

[simple river]

so why dont u prove u have better aim than me

[gray yacht]

take this pvp posting into the game, guys, cmoooon

1v1 rustbucket crew fight

[errant merlin]

because i dont need to prove it its so useless

[simple river]

instead of just claiming i dont have good aim

[fiery crystal]

Yeah you two should just duo and make out already jesus

[simple river]

so dont make dumb claims like that if u dont want to back it up with ur stats or skills

[errant merlin]

because if you cant insta kill players with good loot? then you dont its just how it is what do you mean

[charred shoal]

Listen, Snood and Soul:

I genuinely think you either don't understand the genre you are in. This game will not take away 2 taps on heads with top tier guns. SMGs take 3, fyi.

Gear is not meant to make you invincible. This isn't Tarkov. Counter-intuitively, what you are saying would ruin the game for newbies.

Class dismissed.

[simple river]

ur doing it again lol. i think im a better player than u and im willing to prove it in a 1v1

[fiery crystal]

i hate school

[errant merlin]

We want the time to kill to be fast thats what we like. i think you dont understand the discussion and are straying from the individual post

[simple river]

im just saying, dont make baseless claims about me

[errant merlin]

I have fun with the game and i love being able to kill geared players with bad loot, but It also makes it so that 90% of players arent bringing good loot and all the people we kill have bad loot aswell its very rare to see geared players

[mortal prism]

xelaster its odd talking about the humber of shots when its miliseconds apart, its like saying an smg will take 1 shot or 50 shots, its the same because it takes the same amount of time to shoot {not pick it or understand the meaning)

[simple river]

if u arent willing to back it up with ur stats or ur skills

[errant merlin]

I mean dont boast about KD then it has nothing to do with the post lol

[fathom pagoda]

@mortal prism think it’s less of a gear thing and more of an abundance of good guns. I can run 10 raids with the best guns in the game before I run out of them. I can only run 2 or 3 with the best armor before I lose. (Assuming I die every raid) This makes it super easy to kill people that have the best armor even if I have poor armor.

[simple river]

i only said that cus u claimed i was bad

[errant merlin]

I think thats mostly beacuse guns are much easier to store, and also easier to get for sure youre right

[mortal prism]

so we are boiling it down to a loot issue (in opinions), stallak has progressed the convo in 1 comment

[errant merlin]

stallak saves the convo +1

[mortal prism]

meanwhile kingofdabs still trying to 1v1, and toxic got bored

[chilly bramble]

I still love the sidestep. Here. and above. Xelaster has laid it out, I have, Others have.
TLDR we die fast, gear is gear, ffs what is KD doing with the Orig POST?
I dont think anyone asked for KD

[errant merlin]

someone comes in and gives actual good point instead of asking everyones KD who wouldve thought

[fiery crystal]

imagine attempting to derail again

[simple river]

i asked for kd cus op said it must have been a skill issue if i need good gear to kill people

[mortal prism]

i love shooter being the wildcard, ur like then cowboy from the wildwest you never know whats gonna happen

[chilly bramble]

Ok. bud you are late to the convo and firing shots, just cool it.

[fathom pagoda]

I can run a raid on outpost and almost always be guaranteed 2 of the top tier weapons in the game. However armor wise I have to get extremely lucky to get good loot. Good thing for me is I love pvp and have no issues dropping multiple people even if they have the best armor in the game, but then again I have 6 L1s modded, 2 bars modded, 4 STGs. And I can get even more. Even decent or poor players can hide in a corner and get free loot if they use a mg42

[errant merlin]

IK shooter hasnt added anything to the convo besides instigate LOL

I love pvp aswell, and ppl think this post is actually us complaining from our gameplay. But its actually us just trying to get more ppl to go out and use good gear rather than everyone use bad gear

[fiery crystal]

You just tried to instigate as well

[fathom pagoda]

Just an abundance of good guns. After my 40th or so raid I haven’t run anything worse than an stg. Occasionally I’ll run a pp with a drum but that’s just cause it’s fun

[mortal prism]

so stallak, now we are getting doiwn to "lvl 12 armor hard to get, but high guns easy, so maybe the reason people welfare because u can just get good guns and drop high tier armor"? who knows, we are progressing tho

[chilly bramble]

Again. I have said things sidestepped by the lovely trolling/instigation here. No use now. Though thought Id point out what was read or even considered and not.
Pointing out what others has done does nothing.
I take my leave and my sanity is left because of infinite loops.

[errant merlin]

yeah if you can just insta kill with decent weapons theres no reason to run higher armor so that makes sense

Most ppl can only store a few sets of lvl 12 armor aswell, where as they can store 20 or so weapons

so you can just buy lvl 7 gear use an stg or even a worse weapon and just have no risk while insta killing full gear ppl

[fiery crystal]

So up the size of weapons or downsize the space that armor takes up/Allow rigs to be stored

[mortal prism]

shooter is the chosen one confirmed

[errant merlin]

maybe there can be a weapon rack or armor rack perhaps

[chilly bramble]

Rig storage is a bug rn, supposed to be able to store em.

[errant merlin]

but i dont think they want you to store a lot of stuff so they will probably just make weapons bigger

[fathom pagoda]

Yes. In most cases if you get hit in the head once with a stg you are gonna die. Now if you have a lvl 12 helmet you are still dead to one or 2 more shots. Chances are a blind monkey can hit those shots. So what’s so good about taking those out. Same thing with chest armor

It’s why a lot of better players will stock pilot armor

[errant merlin]

Yea exactly the point i was trying to make, being able to tank 1 extra shot from lvl 9 to lvl 12 armor of an stg makes no difference so why risk ur good armor for minimal reward

[fathom pagoda]

In a large crate you can store 9 where you can only store 3 panzer armor. Maybe 4

[simple river]

its a huge difference good players with good reaction times can exploit

[mortal prism]

going into a more personal opniion here, that is exactly the reason i dont have lot of high lvl armor, either im wearing 12 and kill 12s and cant take it back, or if i take it back i can store very few, further making this gap bigger (of welfare/guns/armor)

[errant merlin]

no it is not. Im sorry, ive played pro in many games and it is physically not something that makes sense and is not exploitable lol. 1 extra shot makes no difference even amongst high level play

killing someone in 3 shots vs 2 with a fully auto weapon makes almost 0 difference

[simple river]

its a 25 percent buff?

[errant merlin]

unless you BOTH shoot at the same exact millisecond, which happens 1 in a million times

[fiery crystal]

There is a current workaround for this, can deposit a rig into a dropped bag. It is annoying nonetheless

[fathom pagoda]

Good players are getting first shots off and hitting headshots. But 90% of the time you die if someone gets the drop on you. Armor helps but only in small cases

[mortal prism]

crabs please we are moving forward

[bold tendon]

the law of diminishing returns does apply here yes

[simple river]

not true, i survive many fights even when someone gets the drop on me

i bait shots sprinting around the lvl, then i re heal and engage whoever shot me

[errant merlin]

thats just because they are bad..

[bold tendon]

skill issue on their end

[simple river]

most players are bad in this game yes

i can tell when someone is good if they are moving around and peaking differnt angles

[errant merlin]

okay but what does that have to do with this thread

[simple river]

good armour helps u survive more

its a 25 percent buff from the plate rig to the panzer, dont tell me ur gna argue with maths lol

[errant merlin]

for the 200th time we know it does.. ur not even arguing the original post

[simple river]

u talking as if u never die in this game, but in ur plate rig against someone good ur going to get dropped more often than not

[errant merlin]

what are you even saying right now

[simple river]

if ur a noob, ur panzer probably wont help u as much, vs someone who is good and knows how to move

[bold tendon]

i understand though if you and the enemy are of equal skill level and you get the drop on the other person, that extra hit wont matter much

[simple river]

it helps if there is distance between u

[bold tendon]

the other person has to be of more skill/have stuff around him to survive

otherwise equal skill plus getting the drop on the other means whoever shot first will more than likely win regardless of armor

[simple river]

a lot of the time, u can survive by running into a corner and re healing

i very rarely ever die instantly.

[bold tendon]

my point though still stands, if you get jumped on that extra hit can only help so much

[errant merlin]

Me too crab. but if you are killing 400 players instantly then the point still stands

[bold tendon]

especially if the weapon being used is automatic

if it's say something like a bolty, an extra hit is everything yes

[simple river]

on average for the average player, using good gear helps a lot

[bold tendon]

but from automatics it's not as good having 1 extra hit

[simple river]

1 extra shot to kill is a big difference. especially with a gun like the stg which doesnt have a very fast fire rate

[errant merlin]

I think for the average player it makes less sense to, if im good and use good gear ik ill win every fight usually. But for a bad player that doesnt hit all of his shots its a lot scarier.
hense why no one is going out with their good gear most cases

[bold tendon]

my point is though if the person gets the drop on you and is near your skill level, that gear can only help so much

[simple river]

its gear fear that is why

[bold tendon]

it matters more if fighting someone directly when you both know where the other is

[simple river]

same as any other extraction game really

always a lot of people with gear fear,. its not to do with the game balance

[errant merlin]

but even for good players aswell. I know i can go out with lvl 7 and kill lvl 12's with an AR or whatever so theres no gear fear there but I just have 0 risk while gaining a lot in return

[simple river]

theres actually too much good gear in this game, and it needs to be scaled back

too easy to obtain good gear*

well that is up to you if u want lvl 7 armour, i just think ul notice u will do better if u use panzer

[errant merlin]

last game i just played we saw 5 lvl 11 people, that was the only decent gear person weve seen in maybe 10-15 games i just feel no one goes out with it. I dont disagree there is probably lots of people with good gear that dont use it but I just wonder if there is a way to get people to use their gear more

or maybe because its too hard to store they are afraid of losing few sets idk

[simple river]

u should run the numbers, on lvl 7 vs lvl 12 panzer armour.

[errant merlin]

im sure there is a big difference 7 vs 12 i dont doubt that but if youre hitting ur headshots it doesnt matter too much and moving properly

[simple river]

that is partly why i am politely asking what ur kd is, ur making it sounds like u never die

[errant merlin]

I do die of course everyone dies it doesnt matter how good you are

[simple river]

so why dont u try panzer more often

i guarantee ur kd will increase, even if just by 1

[errant merlin]

I only use panzer recently because i ahve too many lvl 12 sets, but when im bored and dont wanna sweat i go out in lvl 7 and its almost usually the same effect unless i play bad

[fiery crystal]

The sound in this game is loud enough that i find it pretty easy to determine where people are. Unless really tunnel visioned i hardly find myself in this situation. Obviously this experience is personal, majority of fights I am i get in are 'face to face'.

[errant merlin]

if im getting shot most the time unless im caught off guard, its because i made a bad peak or misplayed regardless of gear

[simple river]

in a lot of those situations u would have survived with better armour vs lvl 7

[errant merlin]

no im getting headshot so it woudlnt make a difference really

[simple river]

just wear panzer, and count the amount of times ur at half health or less

[errant merlin]

and even if i survived, they would push me after the headshot so i cant heal, or thats what they should do

[simple river]

again, not the same expericne for me

[fathom pagoda]

Then I don’t know what bums you are playing. If someone shoots me in the back in the open I’m almost always dead

[simple river]

u can say it doesnt make a difference to you, but the thing im against is when u claim it effects everyone

[simple river]

good movement, and good armour helps

[errant merlin]

i mean if i die, im usually headshot so gear doesnt matter, and when i kill someone its headshot (usually) so gear doesnt matter thats why i say that

[simple river]

i really wish there was a headshot metric,

[errant merlin]

x3 multiplier

[simple river]

i mean headshot percent

[fathom pagoda]

I almost always run panzer and lvl12 helmet. My movement is probably the best in here. Especially for my hours.

[simple river]

showing how many hits u do are headshots on ur stats

so we can verify ur claim that 90 percent or whatever of ur kills and deaths are head shots

[fathom pagoda]

My aim is most definitely the best in here too. You are just talking out your ass lmao

[simple river]

kd?

[errant merlin]

well if im lvl 7 armor killing lvl 12s in a few bullets... then it has to be to the head?

[fathom pagoda]

KD doesn’t mean a whole lot in extract shooters but it’s 10

[simple river]

politely asking, since u said ur really good so im curious

[simple river]

mines just over 14, going to be 15 soon

[fathom pagoda]

And considering I have less than half your hours that’s pretty solid

All these guys have a solid point but you just keep shutting them down about being ass. It doesn’t matter if they are the best or worst they all have a good point

[simple river]

they are making claims as if it effects everony in the game, when i am talking from my experience that some of the things they are saying arent true

[errant merlin]

You need to get out of the metric that stats matter aswell, they dont matter in any game 99% of the time

[simple river]

when they say things like survinving 1 extra stg shot in pzner armour is no difference etc etc. i disagree strongly with that

[fathom pagoda]

It affects almost everyone.

[errant merlin]

thats only if you body shot every bullet which also isnt realistic most of the time

[fiery crystal]

the times you turn around and blast them sure feel glorious, though

[simple river]

if u think being able to survive one extra shot to the chest in panzer from stg is no big deal, that is fine. just dont make the claim that it means panzer is useless

[errant merlin]

surviving 1 extra shot when the meta is all fully auto weapons is quite useless (most cases)

[simple river]

its usefull to me, and helps in beating plate rig stg users

[hardy sky]

416 messages in a few hours jesus christ

[fathom pagoda]

Never did. There is a reason I run it almost every time. But it’s value is not equal to its rarity

[simple river]

the other guys are saying it is useless, and making their assumptions

and against smgs, ur doubling ur survivability vs lvl 7 armour in some cases

[errant merlin]

weve tried telling u like 20 times that we dont think its useless we just dont think its rarity is worth running over other sets when its almost the same effect

[simple river]

depends who u ask, for someone trying to maximise kills it is worth it

its why i always use panzer

[fathom pagoda]

For people that perhaps aren’t as good as us it is useless. Not trying t on be a dick to people but if you aren’t a PVP Chad then what’s the point in panzer armor

[errant merlin]

dont read it 😂

[fathom pagoda]

No read it lmao

[fiery crystal]

There was a debacle, i agree with snood. Almost none of it is productive

[simple river]

im not being a dick, i actually started this off being polite and friendly then they got triggered and started saying i was bad lol

but its calmed down now

[errant merlin]

this is what im saying, if youre not hitting every shot then the difference is minimal you have to be a very good aimer. for normal players players its definitely quite scary to go out in ur armor if u know ur still getting insta killed and cant take advantage of it

[fathom pagoda]

I’m not saying you were. I just said I wasn’t trying to be a dick to people who don’t run around looking for pvp constantly like me. It makes sense that they can’t have 5 panzer sets in their inventory. I could have unlimited if I had the space. But I go looking to fight fully kitted 4 stacks. Most people aren’t gonna be looking for that

[simple river]

im not denying that, im just saying it helps, and i think it is good that the game balances panzer vs plate rig, for people who want to loot vs pvp

to some people, the extra storage in plate rig is much better and that is fine, to others we prefer panzer. but i just dont like it when people make big statements like "its pointless wearing good gear"

[errant merlin]

Im only arguing the post because the first day i played the game i had like 5 sets of lvl 12 armor when running games with lvl 7 gear and shit weapons. Those players werent the best but the fact they can die instantly to a brand new player is a bit sad for them, and they most likely will just horde their gear and not use them anymore

[simple river]

ok well that is good for you then

[errant merlin]

Its nice to have rare gear in the game but if its rare it would be nice to have a big difference vs craftable easy gear

[simple river]

panzer armour nearly doubles ur survivability against smgs, vs the lvl 7 armour

loads of people were complaining about it before actually, how tanky panzer was but it died down

[errant merlin]

what good players are using smgs usually, they use AR's that instantly kill. Even then if they use an smg and can aim u die in .5 seconds

[bold tendon]

btw question, the original message is deleted, what's the full point trying to be made by this thread again? lol

[simple river]

like i said, even for assault rifles, that extra 1 shot is a big difference in my opinion, but u can disagree for urself

[fiery crystal]

The PPSH is extremely good, it's just behind the STG in terms of TTK. Much tougher to use than the STG, but still a very strong smg

[errant merlin]

were trying to say that, for the defense lvl 12 gives you it doesnt really offset its rarity, and is causing players to only go out in bad gear 99% of the time

[simple river]

and there are lots of people running around in panzer armour, so i dont realyl understand why u guys are saying u dont see enough people using it lol

[bold tendon]

ah yeah, lvl 12 gear is trash lol

[errant merlin]

yea it doesnt rlly help too much

[simple river]

again, your opinion

[bold tendon]

the helmets are great, but the body armor sucks and i would take a lvl 11 rig over it any day the week

[fathom pagoda]

I agree. I think the rig should be adjusted tho. I don’t agree with the craft able armor being lvl9 but that’s just my opinion. The big thing again is the abundance of powerful guns that lower the difference between the best armor and middle tier armor

[fiery crystal]

Well, 11 vs 12 should be relatively the same.

[simple river]

lvl 12 helps actually quite a bit

[bold tendon]

yeah but the rig part makes me pick rig over it every single time

[simple river]

but against smgs and shotguns only, against rifles no for the lvl 12 vs 11

[errant merlin]

yea I think this is probably the issue that makes less people run good gear

[bold tendon]

also you can't really store lvl 12 armor in your stash easy, it's too big

can store lvl 12 helmets for days though

[simple river]

i store 4-7 sets

[fiery crystal]

So do I, but that comes down to preference of storage over minimal change in defense

[bold tendon]

i could never lol

[fathom pagoda]

You can if you focus heavy on pvp

[bold tendon]

i rather store more big guns than lvl 12 armor, lvl 11 though i'll store it

i just feel the lvl 12 armor doesnt give enough bang for your buck

[errant merlin]

Yeah Idk how to fix that issue because I think thats one of the main problems here

[simple river]

i think it is good tbh that it takes up a lot of space

its a balancing thing, that stops people hoarding it cus its so common

[bold tendon]

i understand why it takes so much space, just with it taking that much space i rather go for the rig version is all

lil extra meds can go a long way

[fathom pagoda]

Fact is is you are all ass and I’m the best to ever do it. End of discussion

[round tartan]

I tried telling them the same damn thing! But hurts the feels to much for them to believe

[errant merlin]

plunder u accused me of cheating yesterday. but i agree stallak is the best

[mortal prism]

i think next suggestion post is "how delusional is plunder from 1 - 10"