NEW FACTION Soviets

[fluid linden]

You mean central empire? I think you're talking about central empire

[bright trout]

Idk man they dont use Soviet guns (theres no mosin, ppsh41 not even AK47). I think CE are from Poland, even their voices (like pierdolsie) are from polish.

[fluid linden]

PPSH is in the game, so is SVT40

the plate armor, half plate, full plate, plate rig is clearly soviet

you buy those items from the CE trader

the commandos you encounter in game wear the black color nomad masks, which are soviet masks (PBF)

the wiki for central empire mentions the russian empire, since the soviets never existed as the great war didnt really end in this timeline its safe to say all soviet weaponry in game comes from this russian subgroup of the central empire

[bright trout]

the wrong ppsh. The ppsh in the game isnt really well known, the better known is PPSH41 and also there is no AK47 (they added MP40 and STG so dont tell me they want only WW1 weapons) and not even makarov. AND THERE IS NO VODKA!!!!!!!

[ancient dagger]

Oh that’s new I last checked on the wiki it didn’t mention the Russians

[fluid linden]

whether or not ppsh is correct, the SVT 40 is undeniably soviet, and the armor is soviet, the PSH helmets are soviet too. ak47 is debatable as to whether its balanced or fits the game at all

the only thing about central empire that it doesnt seem to be, is italian, I cannot find something in the central empire with italian influence, it says it is on the wiki but cant find something in game with that. its german and russian for certain

hey look its the half plate that the central empire trader sells you, wonder where this comes from irl?

[wanton ruin]

The voice lines are Italian

[fluid linden]

ok so the most minimal amount possible then

[wanton ruin]

it's a perpetual WW1 but the factions are more akin to WW2 so

[wanton ruin]

Also the PPSh this person is complaining about WAS in the game before the beta

if he checked the wiki he'd know

The current PPSh is a Croatian (or Yugoslavian) copy of the PPSh called the MP Jelen

[fluid linden]

either way soviet influence is in central empire

[wanton ruin]

yes, until explicitly stated it can be assumed (however non-canon) that the Soviets are Reichkomissariats under the CE

[fluid linden]

why would that be assumed at all?

[wanton ruin]

How else would they commandeer Soviet gear?

[fluid linden]

commandeer?

the russian empire is part of it I dont see it as being taken over necessarily, its an alternate timeline

its most likely equal parts and the game just doesnt get to show the organization of the faction

[wanton ruin]

as of present the faction lore is written as as inspired by real life events which is fine

[fluid linden]

its represented through gear mostly, not a great representation

[wanton ruin]

and it's why i added a giant "NON-CANON" disclaimer on my comment

because at this point nothing is confirmed and it's all guesses, thus "assumed"

[fluid linden]

I see that, I dont see though why it would be assumed the soviets even exist at all the wiki shows russian empire, so the revolution never happened at all, thus they wouldent really be soviet at all, just the gear is

[wanton ruin]

ok replace "Soviets" with Russia in general, then

cuz i think i'm arguing a different point to you - mine is based on Russia itself, yours is specifically the Soviets

[fluid linden]

we're arguing?

[plain mulch]

As far as I know the Central Empire voicelines are Polish not Italian

[wanton ruin]

"qui dolce" is Italian

what lines are spoken in Polish?

[plain mulch]

I thought it was pierdol się

What does the other voicelines say?

[plain mulch]

I went back in game and collected all voicelines in English and used google translator to translate them to Italian and Polish

Now got back to the game and listened to all central empire voicelines. Not all go along with my Polish translations, but in my opinion it sounds more like Polish then Italian. Your opinion Prof.?

[plain mulch]

And "qui dolce" means in English "here sweet"

I mean K.A. marauder says "fuck you" and C.E. marauder anwsers with "here sweety" that does not sound plausible

[wanton ruin]

it's possible i could have mistranslated Polish into Italian

[plain mulch]

Is there anywhere an official statement what languages the three main factions speak?

[wanton ruin]

afaik no

ive updated the wiki page to reflect the Polish and removed the Italian

[fluid linden]

So there's no Italian influence in the faction whatsoever? What?

[ancient dagger]

i am confused

[plain mulch]

Just wanted to mention you got a typo "interst" on the Central Empire Wiki page.

[wanton ruin]

No, if the language they speak is Polish instead of Italian

[fluid linden]

Well where is the Italian influence in the faction then? It doesn't seem there is any, no guns, no outfits, no language now, and definitely nothing in Italian in the game

I guess its just one of those bits of lore thats not in game at all, never seen only heard of.

[wanton ruin]

if you literally read above, I said i removed the Italian part on the wiki

[wanton ruin]

like literally right here i said i removed the Italian part and replaced with Poland

[jolly charm]

If Russians are already in the game. Then it would be nice if they made it more apparent

For example if they added a ushanka hat to the game.

[plain mulch]

Yeah but a ushanka in space doesn't seem to be that useful

I mean it's a winter hat

[rotund turtle]

Marxism happened in poland apparently, "the soviets" is the central empire, with Poland at its center, and they speak polish. So it would be like asking for world war 2 stuff when the game's lore instructs that the first one never ended if you will.
Not to mention that judging by real world history, asking to add 'soviets' is like asking for 'nazis' in terms of murderous past, and I'm sure the devs would prefer to develop the game instead ^^
I like that marauders tries to refresh the lot by bypassing all of this, and I'd definitely prefer if the lore managed to remain clearly distinct from IRL historical developments from the moment the 70 years war blew up.

[fluid linden]

Ok so there is none at all then?

[jolly charm]

Due to the reasons you mentioned, the developers are unlikely to add Soviets. Nonetheless, having the Soviets in the game makes sense because Lenin took over Russia soon after WW1. If the great war never ended, I feel like the Soviets would be involved in the conflict.
The great war was a big reason why communism was developed in the first place, since the people desired peace. This could explain why Russia is associated with Germany in the game. They joined forces, hoping to avoid conflict. In the end I doubt the Devs will do this because of the controversy and the amount of work it would take to add a new faction.

[rotund turtle]

it wouldn't be the soviets then, it would be the central empire.
Russia isn't so important in the marauders timeline, and neither is what russia made of historical marxism = a hypervertical and eventually genocidal crypto-tsarist machine.
In the game, marxism happened closer to europe's center, and russia crumbled from the party noises and was absorbed.
If we must, we could call the central empire socialist (which had happened by the time ww1 started), but not soviet which came later IRL and would contradict the game's timeline
if anything I'd say soviets would be a small branch of power-hungry extremists within the central empire

[jolly charm]

That is why I think if the Soviets were added, they should be a smaller rebellion group, sort of like the in-game pirates. Since it is clear that Russia is part of the Central Alliance, Again, I doubt that the developers would add the Soviets to the game since it would make the lore way more complicated than it needs to be. However, I find the Soviets' history fascinating. That is why I wish that they could have been involved in the game.

[rotund turtle]

Yeah I get the interest part, but on that basis I argue the contrary = it would be nice to go full dystopia and to not have anachronic references to IRL history, and to losely inspire elements of the central empire with things marxist.
Again, soviets has russia at the center and ends with genociding their own population. Central empire has germany and poland and ends with escaping into space.

[rotund turtle]

what I do agree with wholly though, is the possibility of going rogue within your faction, that'd be cool

[plain mulch]

Just a little question to understand this better with Central alliance do you mean the Central Empire or something that existed in real history?

[rotund turtle]

aah mb no I mean in-game central empire sry, editing

I think it's very hard for us to imagine a world without the historical print of nazism and communism, and that marauders triggers that a lot. But imo, it would be quality science-fiction if it managed to tell a coherent story without nazism and communism whatsoever.
The easy way to imagine it is that the war cut all these budding ideologies short. But then we have to remember that the atrocities that ensued IRL are bypassed and replaced by total war for 70 years, during which completely different things came to existence in comparison with our real world.
So, no holocausts/gulags, but kind of just as much victims on the battlefields.

[bright trout]

I think they would make it new STG

[wanton ruin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MaraudersGame/comments/10s86hn/f_in_the_chat_for_italy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

@jolly charm lol i saw the vid

#exposed

[jolly charm]

Nice

[rotund turtle]

Honestly I think the suggestion is made by someone rooting for russia in the current murderous war it inflicted on itself.
Soviets were even more genocidal than the nazi's and are anachronic in the game.
There is no reason whatsoever to add the soviets except in the current fall forward of IRL russia,
because there the archives are still closed and the people who want to work on that part of history persecuted.
https://www.dw.com/en/moscow-court-orders-memorial-human-rights-center-to-be-banned/a-60283467
But their invasion is led by this idea of a larger union and they rely on soviet memory to try (and belarus is in the same shit)
https://theconversation.com/soviet-monuments-are-being-toppled-this-gives-the-spaces-they-occupied-a-new-meaning-190022

Hear me when I tell you majority of humanity would love a history without soviets at all IRL and one more game without them wouldn't hurt either.

Exact same reasoning was true with nazism when the alt-right owned Discord.

Or then bring it forward with the info russia bans = soviets were as bad as nazi's and cooperated and all its ramifications including the current church, official press and FSB, should be dismantled and brought to court in the name of all the peoples this mafia had held hostage up until today.

But then again you'd be banned in russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/new-monument-soviet-leader-stalin-unveiled-ahead-ww2-anniversary-2023-02-01/

Tell me the whole country is revisionist without telling me the whole country is revisionist.

[worn blaze]

mate im literally Polish so go fuck urself and your theories

i just wanted more variety in the game and all of ya started writing a master thesis

[worn blaze]

and thats a good way to implement that

[stuck veldt]

Bruh

[stuck veldt]

I like this

[worn blaze]

and people really thought that Polsih voicelines are italian?

[stiff girder]

We have the central empire...

[wanton ruin]

I mean, I don't speak either language but i know that "Dulce" means leader or something in Italian and made a guess

and if given a choice to guess the language between a country that was occupied by three powers until the end of WW1 or a country that was independent and allied with the Germans before WW1, i'd go with the latter

[fluid linden]

are you thinking of duce?

[wanton ruin]

yes

[rotund turtle]

most poles I know agree

[worn blaze]

I mean thats understandable but why would they have other voicelines tha English ones

[wanton ruin]

? Only the KA has English lines

UA has French lines

[worn blaze]

Yeah but why would they differ from the ka

[stiff girder]

Soviets are overrated. I hate the soviets

I would prefer a more empire of Japan or Asian collection

Or maybe a faction led by Korea. Or he'll even Vietnam.

[plain mulch]

Neko means that the voicelines always have the same meaning like F1 is always a "fuck you" but for K.A. in English, for U.A. in French and for C.E. in Polish.

[wanton ruin]

I dont know, weirder decisions have been made

There comes a point when rrying to explain my confusion isnt helpful to anything

[opaque bobcat]

They're German: Poland was never an almighty country

[worn blaze]

Now ur wrong

Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth read bout it

If not atupid political decisions 1/3rd of Europe would probably speak Polish

Today

And I'll be closing this thread and maybe make a new one with the asian faction or something

[fluid linden]

imperial japan with katanas would be cool, and leaves a little room for creativity with the uniform design

[north pewter]

This is WW1 not WW2 if they ever add a Russian faction Tsardom is way more fitting

[worn blaze]

no its not

[north pewter]

Wdym?

[jolly charm]

Tsar Nicholas abdicated on March 15, 1917, and WWI ended on November 11, 1918. Therefore, it would not make sense for the Tsar to be in control of Russia. The war caused the Tzar to fall and for Lenin to rise with the Soviets not long after. In Marauders' lore, the war never ended; therefore, it would make sense for the Soviets to fit in the lore.

[opaque bobcat]

honestly they scould exchange the kingdom alliance for a soviet faction i wouldnt mind

[fluid linden]

we dont have all the details of the events of the great war, its an alternate timeline. and the war ended for russia before the war actually ended, if the war was still fought by the different parts of the central empire, which the russian empire is/was part of, that means they didnt stop fighting it because of the revolution.

either revolution never happened, or failed to take control over the empire

the war itself is most likely already a divergence from our own timeline, as the factions afterward are divided a bit differently, the united allies and the kingdom alliance are separate and not friends/allies, the central empire consists of nations who were at war in our timeline. I dont think they suddenly became friends halfway through the war, or just at the end, its probably been this way since before the great war, and if they were exploring space before or during the war, this makes even more sense.

also lenin was in exile during the war, and only was in russia for the revolution since he was sent there by the germans, the enemy of the russians in our timeline, so why would they do that if they were allies in this alternate history? or does lenin even exist?

I mean a lot of stuff in marauders doesnt make sense with an alternate timeline, and will probably never be explained. I mean the Uzi exists, how does it exist exactly? the earth was destroyed, there cannot be a state of isreal in this timeline. thats just one example. marauders lore doesnt line up with much history in fact, its really just a setting of loosely tied together events inspired by real history. It doesnt follow much of our timeline it just incorporates themes and weapons from ours. I dont think the lore is supposed to line up with our history just take inspiration from. its not supposed to be analyzed at all, I would think.

[jolly charm]

The lore in Marauders is very vague and confusing, for example, with the combination of WW1 themes and WW2 equipment such as the MP40. As well, it does not make sense that you can use gas masks to survive in vacuum environments. I doubt that the developers care much for the story or lore of Marauders since they deleted Italy rather than fixing the Polish dialogue. The developers only care about good gameplay and cool aesthetics. I believe the Soviets would make a great contribution to the game and fit well in the setting and themes of the game.

[fluid linden]

theyre not gas masks theyre pressure suits, theyre fully enclosed thats why theres a time limit on the oxygen level. yeah there are breathing apparatus on the masks but I think this is just a visual aesthetic kind of thing

[fluid linden]

I dont think italy ever was in the game, this was just wiki misinterpretation of the voice lines, thats not something that needs fixing, it is something working as intended. the devs wouldent mistakenly add in those lines they knew what langauge it is, the devs arent running the wiki, its a fan thing

[jolly charm]

Many of the mask in the game are taken from IRL masks for example the PBF mask

But I realize in game they are supposed to be pressure suits