#Offline Mode

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void dagger
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As the title states, I would like to suggest an offline mode, one with an intact progression system. There's a lot of reasons for this suggestion that I think many people will agree with.

First off, some people don't have consistent enough internet for playing online, but they might still love many of the ideas or gameplay features of Marauders. Getting those offline players to purchase the game is just good business.

Second, there's a skill gap issue for some players. Not all players are ready for online combat, and are going to be turned off by the PvP aspect of the game. An offline mode could work as a training ground for players who want to play online, but don't believe that they are ready for it.

Third, there are many bugs currently in the multiplayer that seem to occur specifically with other players in your crew. At the same time, going into a raid without a full crew is extremely risky, putting players into a no-win situation. Setting up an offline mode would give developers time to fix those issues while players unsatisfied with those bugs can scratch the itch in their own isolated version of the game.

So, with those reasons in mind, how would I suggest its implementation?

Simple. There's no need to bother making a big campaign out of an offline mode -- the gameplay and atmosphere are compelling enough on their own to incentivize play. Just drop players into maps without other online players.

The only gameplay issue I see this causing comes with the contracts that require Marauder kills, but the solution to this is honestly pretty simple to me as well -- just make a few AI in the raid act as Marauders. Functionally, they'll be the same as the other bots on the map, but perhaps with randomized gear and funny names generated on their keycards. Their only purpose is to let players continue progressing through the game, so they simply need to exist in some capacity. Beyond that, they can be like every other bot.

Please consider this idea. Thank you.

regal herald
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I am a strong proponent for learning the game. An offline mode where you can go in, learn the maps, test a gun out, yea sure, I can support.

However..

The game is designed around PVPVE. If you remove the PVP element, you are essential just playing the Division or Destiny 2.

Extraction shooters are all about managing risk; you should focus on learning what you can now, from map knowledge, to when to fight versus when to retreat, how to position yourself. As an exclusively solo player, I have had no problem with the above. With a little time, you won't either.

I cannot get behind an offline mode that exists because it is against the nature of the game; for you to learn how to manage risk, and become a better player. Good luck bud.

void dagger
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Just to clarify, I'm not having any skill problems with the game personally. I enjoy playing the game online -- for the most part -- and look forward to continuing to do so.

Additionally, the nature of the game is at the developer's discretion. What you may want out of the game may differ from what other players or the developers want. I am merely making a suggestion. Are you one of the developers?

Finally, I am not suggesting removing the PVP. I am suggesting making it optional. You are free to ignore what you don't have to choose, bud.

severe dragon
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U want to cut out the core mechanics of this game - the game revolves around getting better, managing risk and learning the maps - if that's too much for u go play fallout or smt - as a solo player I never encountered any of the problems u mentioned
noobs shouldn't be protected

plucky thicket
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I only really queue up when I have friends online to (carry) help watch my back. Offline mode would be a good and engaging way to learn the maps and feel more comfortable learning how A.I move around so you can identify player threats. I highly doubt it will ever become a thing, but would be nice training wheels for lesser skilled players like me.

glacial dagger
wooden light
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what are these comments tarkov literally has offline mode lol

severe dragon
severe dragon
glacial dagger
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Yes, it would without gain. Nothing but knowledge should be gained.

wooden light
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Dosent change anything about the game if people wanna practice against Ai let them, just have no loots on the map so they cant figure out where anything is

severe dragon
glacial dagger
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Then they wouldn't gain knowledge, removing loot is such a tiny thing to prevent players from learning.

wooden light
glacial dagger
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That's a non-issue

wooden light
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it is

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we dont need people who no life the game to get an even more massive advantage than they already do

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but you should also gain some reward and knoweldge from doing thing outside of offline mode

dense flint
wooden light
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wild part is you can figure out where most things are just playing running through the maps a couple times

severe dragon
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Im a strong supporter of everyone having the same starting situation in this game - when I started playing I also had to learn where the good loot is, how to move around the map, how to shoot effectively - that's part of the learning experience and this is the main gameplay feature - putting in a learning mode puts away all the risk

wooden light
severe dragon
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I get a strong vibe of cod noob protection in this discussion - in the past we all head to learn how to play certain games and had to get good - I don't believe in protecting noobs until they are as good as the pros

wooden light
void dagger
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I came back to this thread for shits and giggles, because I kinda saw which way the wind was blowing, but what I've noticed is that the only point people have made against this idea is kind of silly. A more versatile game is not a worse game. It's not removing a feature -- I'm talking about a completely separate offline progression from the online one, not a shared progression.

Tarkov didn't lose players when modders came out with SPT or JET. If anything, I can attest that it helped me get friends I know to play the online mode. It practically functioned as advertising for the game. Isn't the goal to get more players into the game?

By the way, people WILL get bored of an offline mode... that's not a bug, it's a feature. When they get bored, they'll go online and try using what they've learned in this game they're now already invested into. Success! We got 'em!

Don't get me wrong, I like killing scrubs as much as the next person, but it's not nearly as heart pounding to kill a noob as it is when you know you've made the best play you possibly could have made against someone who's shown some real competence. Winning or losing isn't as cool to me as the high or anxiety of a real competition, and I think most of you agree on some level or you'd be playing... idk, Stardew Valley or something.

Not that anything is wrong with Stardew Valley, but some games can only serve limited purposes or audiences. That doesn't have to be true of Marauders, just like it isn't true for plenty of other games. Did Smash Bros develop a competitive scene because the game was a hardcore fighter from the start? Hell no!

Additionally, I don't think I've seen anyone address my other two points about this suggestion. Not everyone has consistent internet access, and not everyone is willing to put up with the constant multiplayer bugs.

I don't mind being wrong on this idea, but I'd like more concrete arguments than this.

magic holly
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If you don't add offline mode someone else will like in the case of EFT..............

cedar osprey
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i want the game to be bought by more people, to give more funds to the developers, so they can put more work into the game and create a better experience for everyone, "noob" or whatever 1337 speak people call themselves today. the game can be very unappealing towards solo players and new people, that i think it would be a great idea to add offline mode.

pure tusk
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This is a niche game genre. Its not meant to be friendly to noobs. You are lucky you get a free ship and a pistol. Its the whole point of the game to be brutal and completely online. You learn online versus people/ai. No need for offline. These games aren't meant to cater to huge audiences of people or cater to every whim the whiny community has. If you dont have internet consistently in 2022 you are in the minority and its a you problem. If you need offline mode to 'practice' its a skill issue. Get gud or change games.

cosmic shell
# regal herald I am a strong proponent for learning the game. An offline mode where you can go ...

yup, i wouldnt mind an offline mode like tarkov where you can go in to learn the map, test guns, and practice on AI but you dont actually earn xp or keep loot you get in the offline raid. Like you said the game is pvpve and is designed to be that way. An offline mode would be especially bad currently since there arent super in depth quests, bosses, and the ai is pretty bad; im sure if they added an offline mode, then people who bought the game solely to play offline would complain about there not being anything to do. Im also a mostly solo player, and even when most of the time i run into duos or trios i don't really have a problem surviving. An offline mode would just make it way too easy to level up and get top tier weapons/armor extremely fast that you can then take into online raid against other players. The game would just end up with every player running around with the best guns and armor which would take away from the "every gun is good" aspect of the game, and would instead be a bit more of an "only use these meta guns and armor" type of game.

plucky ivy
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it's the same age old discussion people still have about sea of thieves even though the developers (thankfully) made it clear it's never going to happen. although this game is nowhere near yet the level of a sea of thieves, i can already feel that excitement of going in and the possibility of losing my loot quite a bit. it's not as pulse pounding for me as in sot, but it's certainly there. so, for me then it's the same conclusion: offering pve servers would be HORRIBLE for the game. it literally takes away the core selling point, the core "excitement" feature built into the game. hope it's never going to happen. you say it's available in tarkov: can't speak for that because i don't know the game. maybe there's a good reason why it works there. i don't think it would work for marauders though.

cedar osprey
# pure tusk This is a niche game genre. Its not meant to be friendly to noobs. You are lucky...

rest in peace marauders 2022-2023, a game that hardly got off the ground or established a player base enough to fund the development of the game past the first year. enjoy your inevitable microtransactions and pay-to-win mechanics with this type of attitude. tarkov has an offline mode, and offers much more advanced gameplay and has sold (1.5 million copies sold, 50 million raise for development in 2020 alone) compared to this game which has hardly funded the costs of servers and development. this will kill the game, hopefully you can enjoy it while it lasts before the player count is 500.

cedar osprey
# plucky ivy it's the same age old discussion people still have about sea of thieves even tho...

sea of thieves has gamepass money and microtransactions to fund development, and the servers are 100% peer2peer so there is basically no operational costs outside of paying the developers. there is tons of workarounds and abilities people use to play offline, but besides that the focus of the game is not to pvp all day and take peoples loot. as well, the developers do punish experianced players that troll, grief, or specifically target new players and have as one of their community agreements a rule stating that you are to treat new players with respect and help guide them. instead of what the "elite" top pvper's in this community what, which is for more cannon fodders. every single hardcore pvp game that has every existed has died without an implementation of some kind of offline or new player support mode. sea of thieves has 3-4 hour long instanced adventures where you will never see players and get to experience the game pve for people to enjoy. is that what people are asking for? no. people just want the ability shoot the guns, get their bearings, learn how stuff works, where things are in the map, where the escape points are, where loot can be. there are tons of youtube videos you can learn this from already, so saying this is part of the games experience (not knowing where stuff is and being a noob in general) is just silly. tarkov offline mode is simply for practice, you gain nothing, you lose nothing, its just for practice before you load into online. without this onboarding experiance, this game bleed players for 6 months until the devs are forced to add battle passes and micortransactions because the majority of gamers in 2022 just dont have time to lose all their stuff over and over before they quit or refund the game. give people that ability to support the devs by buying the game, and the ability to enjoy it without risk. pvp elites lose nothing, it never affects you at all, you cant take offline mode stuff into online, it never affects online play.

compact trail
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I love these post, people want to play a online game but to scared to play online with other people, to scared of dying and losing gear to other players.

I do think maybe there could be a match making system where it doesn't put solo's or better ranked people against new player's

compact trail
cedar osprey
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tarkov gives you a free gun and loadout as well

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marauders has a bigger platform by being on steam. if all you want is pvp, why dont you play counter-strike if all you want is to shoot and kill people? offline mode is strictly for practice, you cant take gear out of offline mode. it doesnt effect you at all, ever. it just gives people the ability to practice before they go into online mode. which would benefit you because there would be more players to play against. its such a strange thing to gatekeep so enjoy your game while you can, because its is going to bleed players. many will not waste their time dying to pvp elite players on their first day because there is no mmr matchmaking, so they will just continue to play counter-strike and tarkov, which have casual modes allowing players to practice before they risk their rank and their gear in online play. to each their own i guess

compact trail
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Yes but if you lose all your free gear it gives you then you have to do naked runs right to get it back, like mauaraders always give you a free weapon, even if you lose everything in your stash

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Like on the pmc

cedar osprey
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that might be fun for you, but seeing how the game is already losing players every day on steam charts, its not fun for many. just enjoy your game while you can man

compact trail
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But if you do scav and are terrible and always die

cedar osprey
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if they added offline practice mode, or if they dont add offline practice mode, you'll never be effected, why do you even care?

compact trail
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I dont, I just find it funny that people keep trying to turn a online pvp game into a offline no skilled game

cedar osprey
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literally no one is, maybe you should read the OP again. offline mode is to practice the game, or to play when your internet is bad. you cannot gain anything in offline mode like guns or stuff, you just are able to run around and kill npc's and practice and learn the maps

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are you here just to pump up your own ego or something?

compact trail
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To practice sure meaning they will never play online they just stick to offline

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Use the excuse they have bad Internet bla bla, if your Internet is thay bad don't buy and play online games

cedar osprey
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tarkov has offline mode, and TONS of people use it to practice before they go into online mode

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so you do not want the developers to sell more copies of the game because you demand it only be for online pvp only?

compact trail
cedar osprey
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what makes you so special, and why have you tied your ego to a random niche game on steam

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the game is just out, and its already losing players my friend. clearly there is something missing that players want, and you are gate keeping the game for no reason

compact trail
cedar osprey
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the reason being?

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tarkov is an online pvp game as well

compact trail
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All the devs, but they have made it with no offline mode, so they must have a reason

edgy bluff
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To be honest a offline mode would he nice for the people who don't have a lot time to learn the maps I've played for a few hours already feel outclassed by people I believe an offline mode will only help the game people wouldn't be able to extract loot they pick up just learn the map and get used to the guns they use

cedar osprey
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but the game is just out, so maybe they can add new features, thats why there is a suggestion area in their discord?

edgy bluff
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Can we all just chill

compact trail
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I bought and play the game because I enjoy the online aspect of these games, if I end up losing gear then so be it, it's part of the game

edgy bluff
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You wouldn't need to play that mode if you don't want to

compact trail
cedar osprey
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good for you? but many people want a practice mode, and it doesnt effect you, you'll have better skilled opponents to play against, wouldnt that be fun?

compact trail
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Better skilled, they wouldn't even play online

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They just stick to offline

edgy bluff
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There would be no gear to get in offline, you would not be able to progress anything

cedar osprey
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you cant earn anything in offline mode, are you purposefully not comprehending that?

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you cant earn gear, you cant earn rank in vendors, you can just go and shoot and learn the maps

edgy bluff
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Can't progress zero to hero quests

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Literally nothing

compact trail
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Are you purposely Comprehdin eft sales, a game that been out for years

cedar osprey
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yes, i think the developers should copy a successful game in the same genre

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take what made games like tarkov a success and copy it, yes do that

compact trail
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Before you start compering sales to another game, you need to compare the sales on same time the game been out

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Get the sales and player base for eft on the first month thay came out

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Compare apple with apple's

edgy bluff
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Eh some people don't have 10 hours a day to learn a play a game so give someone the tools to learn basic map knowledge in a few hours offline to increase there enjoyment in the game

cedar osprey
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tarkov players asked for offline PRACTICE mode for 3 years before the developers added it, and they added it, now tarkov is a massive success. yes i do believe the developers of this game should copy tarkov

compact trail
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And they might, my point I was trying to say is dont compare a game sales with another when one as been out much much longer

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Anyway, I have to go. I'm at work, hopefully for you and other people that to scared to lose thier stuff they will add online mode. I take it it you won't be playing until they add it

cedar osprey
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this game has already sold its maximum launch sales, its peak player count is already decreasing, i am ( and others in this suggestion thread ) are suggesting new features to help new players to help the game grow. you are gatekeeping for no reason

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new players wont be attracted to this game if there is no practice mode

edgy bluff
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My point is a offline practice mode is not only basic but essential for new players no ones gonna stick to a game like this when they just get rolled by people with hundreds of more hours in my opinion as this game is in its early development stage this feature is bound to come we just have to give them more time

cedar osprey
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exactly, and tarkov almost died because of that same issue, when they added offline mode in 2020, tons of players gained the confidence and the knowledge to play

compact trail
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That's why they need a better match making system, put players against others with same rank

cedar osprey
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there isnt enough players to do that, high end players will be waiting hours for matches

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i think you are severely overestimating how many people bought this game

compact trail
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There is plenty, I see loads of players plus that would bring more in. Also if you look at the first suggestion, you can see the OP uses excuse of poor Internet, so clearly its not a learning process

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They then go on about learning the game etc with offline, that's only to make them look like it's not because they scared

cedar osprey
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its not even in the top 100 players, there isnt many playing right now, and the player count is down 30% over 1 week

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the average playtime is 7 hours, there is over 150k refunds

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but if you feel the need to continue to gate keep your special online only pvp game, thats fine, but allow other people to make suggestions to the developers to add practice modes to entice new players to keep the population and maybe help it grow

edgy bluff
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Ima ask again its fine to agree to disagree but can we chill out we all want this game to succeed and these devs have done a wonderful job so far its still very early and we just have to trust the developers

compact trail
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I haven't stopped people making suggestions, just giving input on players scared of playing a online pvp game but they don't want to play online

cedar osprey
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they wont be scared to play online if they have a practice mode, then they'll join you on your online mode

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so you do support the suggestion, thats good, i think everyone would

compact trail
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I'm chill, I'm trying to say people don't want offline to practice, they want it so they don't lose anything, its the other guy keeps talking about some gate

cedar osprey
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so you didnt read the original post, and the topic of this channel

edgy bluff
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Like I said it's fine to disagree on things but I don't feel like arguing in circles is the best way to get other meaningful input on this topic

cedar osprey
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you are just here to argue for no reason besides supporting you own ego

compact trail
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Yoy are arguing for no reason, my point was with your comment but instead you turned about the tipic

cedar osprey
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because this channel is to talk about adding an offline practice mode, its not about adding an offline mode that people can play instead of online. its just for practice, its not an alternate way to play the game, you cannot progress anything, you cannot earn anything

compact trail
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I only said to you that you can't compare a apple to a ornage so get off your high horse and head out your rear hole

cedar osprey
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you are the only one comparing apples to oranges, repeatedly

compact trail
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Comparing apples to ornages is a metaphor, because you was talking about eft sale to this when eft been out much longer

cedar osprey
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you need to teach a child how to eat an apple, not to eat the stem, not to eat the seeds, not to eat the core. im not comparing an apple an orange, this channel topic is to talk about teaching people how to eat an apple

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you keep saying its an alternate game mode for people to avoid playing online, but if you read the original post and the topic of this channel, you would realize its not an alternate game mode, its a practice mode to teach people how to play the game

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you are here to argue, not to make suggestions

compact trail
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I simply said I love how people Try to turn a online game to offline because they scared, didn't say about the suggestion was bad

cedar osprey
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no one is scared, no one is trying to turn the game into an offline game. read the original post. they want a mode to practice in

compact trail
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I just said to you that you can't compare 1 game sale to another when it's been out lodger

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They want offline mode, not practise

cedar osprey
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no they dont, read the topic of the channel

compact trail
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They want it so they can just only play offline, not play against other players at all

cedar osprey
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no they dont, read the topic of the channel

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your ability to not comprehend the topic of this channel is disingenuous

compact trail
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You read it, they want a offline mode because they talk about how buggy online is etc

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They want a offline mode so they don't have to play online because of how buggy it is

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I think you need to sit down and put your spectacles on and read it, look deeply to what's said and what they really mean

cedar osprey
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they suggest how to implement it

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we're here discussing how it could be implemented

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marauders is inspired by tarkov, tarkov has an offline mode, marauders could have an offline mode like tarkovs

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do you have any suggestions how an offline mode could be implemented?

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are you implying a new suggestion should be made to implicitly suggest an offline mode similar to tarkovs?

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are you adding to the suggestions at all, besides saying people are scared to play online pvp?

compact trail
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I'm adding if people want to play offline and to be clear because I know its what they mean, offline being thier only intention and not play online then they should play a game that as offline

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If its practice mode, like not offline but practice where you can go Into an arena with ai and test guns then sure

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But if its offline where you level up them no

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Basically there shouldn't be a online version of the online. Offline where they get to practice using the guns that's fine, like all the guns would be unlocked and they get to test thier skills and aim

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So I think that is totally fair and a good suggestion

slim jetty
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I would really enjoy some only pve rounds, which won't effect the online character. Maybe have an online and offline character?
Sometimes I just want to play a chill round without caring about other players, because I'm fucked up getting killed for five times in a row by campers or what so ever.
That way I wouldn't need to close the game, could play some offline rounds and then get back to online.

pure tusk
void dagger
# pure tusk There is no reason to suggest *how* it would be implemented because as you can s...

The community who is reading the suggestions forums, at any rate. Most of whom, I imagine, are desperate to protect their try-hard image. I actually stopped following this thread because it seemed ripe to die, but then it came back up the list again. Go figure.

While I'm here, you know One Shot's suggestion of a matchmaking system? I might as well throw in that I'm against that. I don't actually want to touch the online mode in any way, shape, form, or fashion. That's fine as it is. I LIKE the fact that I could end up with total badasses or lazy eye'd timmies. Variety is the spice of life.

The point of suggesting a separate offline mode was never to change how the online mode is played, and it was never to cater specifically to bad players. It was only ever about allowing people more choices of how to enjoy it, and open it up for people who might never have enjoyed it at all.

Everyone else here just seems convinced that adding functionality to the game is somehow taking players away from it. That's really not how that works.

Not that I care anymore. Can lead a horse to water, but can't force them to drink. 🤷‍♂️

compact trail
# void dagger The community who is reading the suggestions forums, at any rate. Most of whom, ...

which proves my point exaclty that i was talking to @cedar osprey, saying people are to scared to play onlien and lose thier gear, not the fact of practise at all. so @cedar osprey you are so far up own own butt trying to argue a point that i knew i was correct on.

people can play how they want for sure, to the OP no offence but its the only reason people want offline is they dont want to risk thier gear, they buy and play a online game but dont want to play the online part of it, You have even said your self dont ever intend to play online.

I dont think these games should have a offline system, but i can respect and understand people may want to literally just practise their aiming, but thats not a offlien system, thats called a training mode, A mode where you dont play the game but infact log into a mode where you can test weapons/armour etc and get put into a arena againts targets/AI and practise your skills at shooting and get to know the guns before going into a match.

so i can understand and would welcome such a mode but the fact people too scared to lose gear and only want a offline mode in a online game is something i wont support

void dagger
# compact trail which proves my point exaclty that i was talking to <@280814900543094784>, sayi...

Having come from Tarkov and Hunt: Showdown, I can say that there's very little need to have gear fear while playing this game. The free pistol, ammo, and rig are more than enough to take down at least one NPC, and the combination of hidden stashes, free loot, crafting, and the opportunity created by many players going straight for the merchant ship or capital ship means that you're often free to clear house in a raid. Money isn't really ever an object if you're smart about how you play.

And... no, I never said that I "dont ever intend to play online." Read through what I typed again, friend.

turbid lichen
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i'd rather there just be a shooting range or maybe even a kill house to practice tactics and learn the weapons than a offline mode

compact trail
void dagger
compact trail
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I don't actually want to touch the online mode in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

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thats what you said

turbid lichen
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i think he just poorly worded it

void dagger
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Lemme clarify that when I say "touch", I mean "I don't want my suggestion to touch".

compact trail
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Meaning you dont want to play online

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now your just back tracking

turbid lichen
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he prolly just doesn't want offline mode to somehow affect online mode

void dagger
compact trail
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need to word stuff better, so easy to read different

void dagger
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I figured the context clues would be enough.

compact trail
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so i did read it fine, just very bad wording

turbid lichen
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thinking about it more i wouldn't actually mind offline mode but not with the progression stuff, just have it as tarkov has it

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no lose/no gain, just learning map knowledge ig

void dagger
# compact trail so i did read it fine, just very bad wording
  1. While I'm here, you know One Shot's suggestion of a matchmaking system?
  2. I might as well throw in that I'm against that.
  3. I don't actually want to touch the online mode in any way, shape, form, or fashion.
  4. That's fine as it is.
  5. I LIKE the fact that I could end up with total badasses or lazy eye'd timmies.
  6. Variety is the spice of life.

Let's break it down:

  1. Referral to matchmaking suggestion
  2. Opinion about matchmaking suggestion
  3. The sentence in question
  4. Statement about status of online mode
  5. Statement indicating appreciation of current online mode
  6. Colloquialism

... Yeah, in isolation, maybe that third sentence reads like "I don't play online", but that reading makes no sense within context. Reading comprehension means reading everything, not just bits and pieces.

Pretty sure I'm just getting trolled at this point, though, so here's your internet points.

compact trail
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pretty sure your just trolling, i quote from what you said. Not that I care anymore. Can lead a horse to water, but can't force them to drink.

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you have been more active on this thread in the last 15 minutes that when you created it, you care, you know im right. if you didnt care you woulnd t keep writting

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i love the fact peopel get caught out and then they try to turn it around on you, and make it seem that your trolling, haha anyway i actually dont care and i wil lstop on this topic

turbid lichen
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bro if u didn't care u wouldn't write any of this lmao, don't always gotta have the last word

cosmic shell
# cedar osprey no one is scared, no one is trying to turn the game into an offline game. read t...

they literally said they want an offline mode with a progression system. This isn't just an offline mode to practice in like tarkov where you dont earn any xp or loot from offline mode. An offline mode with actual progression WOULD hurt players who enjoy the game as its meant to be, because an offline mode with progression would mean the devs take time away from adding content for pvp players, and if the gear you earn in offline is allowed to be taken to online, it will be too easy to get end game gear. I couldnt care less if they add an offline mode like tarkov where you run around to learn the map and practice if you want, but im 100% against an offline mode with actual progression. If they made a single player story mode game set in the universe of marauders, as a seperate game, i would be all for that, but marauders is designed as a pvpve game. Playing offline would be extremely boring, especially in the current state when theres not a huge variety of maps, missions, etc. As someone who played in the discord beta, back when it was almost like offline at times because finding players was rare, making an offline mode with an actual progression system would be a complete waste of time, and offline players would end up complaining about being bored after a couple weeks because of a lack of content and bad AI.