Gacha Gaming

[proper gust]

I absolutely am not gonna be able to pull for Rebecca's sig unless I get a mega lucky streak because Lucilla is top priority and if she needs her sig I'll have to go for that, and then allegedly Cartethyia is rerunning which will likely be her final rerun, and I still need her S3

[final musk]

you just need any little bit of acknowledgement

[grave nebula]

[final musk]

but other than that. it's literally fair game lol

[grave nebula]

Aloy just break the lore.. dats a no go to me

[proper gust]

Aloy doesn't break the lore tho

[grave nebula]

even if skin break the lore it still not part of the game much cuz u can just not wear it

but Aloy existed

[proper gust]

There's nothing in the lore that says "isekai can't happen"

[grave nebula]

dats not it

[grave nebula]

there is Tayvat lore dat said nobody can enter tayvat

[proper gust]

Those rules are very vague and wishy washy, also broken for whatever reason someone chooses

[final musk]

here's the problem with this line. Taking this literally is not very respectful of lore

[proper gust]

The lore states nobody can enter, except for those who do enter. MZ is overthinking it

[final musk]

cause this gets broken at anytime when the storywriter wants to continue with a game thats alive

and not kill it off after 5 years

[grave nebula]

yes they can as long they write it and make a story of it

aloy just spawn there... no explanation

like cinnamon said.. they can make bullshit up for her to enter

they should

but they didnt

[proper gust]

We do have explanation tho. Surtilogi summoned her there to assist him with something but then he took a look at her kit and realized she was garbage and abandoned her

[grave nebula]

if they make bullshit up like her mech in horaizon suddenly glicthed out and sucked her and she wakes up in tayvat

COOL dats more then enough explanation

[final musk]

think about why you need that explanation though

like what reason does it serve

other than.... filler?

[grave nebula]

yeh its filler

[proper gust]

I think what's fun about generic "because isekai" situations like Aloy, is it gives the player room to form their own explanations

[final musk]

like who cares about a collab character lol

thats my whole point

not wanting to accept it cause omg lore breaking

is genuinely dumb

[grave nebula]

at very least it still ddint break the game anual story-line

[grave nebula]

not you obviously

[proper gust]

A lot of people actually. A sizeable chunk of XIV players hate the Nier raids because they aren't given a good reason for existing where they do

[final musk]

a lot of ppl hate nier raid cause the raid was shit

[grave nebula]

even for a collab character i dont give a shit about, atleast make it make sense why they appear

[final musk]

lore aside, that also sucked

yoko taro gave 0 effort to the collab

[proper gust]

That too, but there's a lot who enjoyed the raids but hated them from a lore perspective because no real explanation was given to fit them into the XIV space

[grave nebula]

i thought people enjoyed that one.... granted i only watched on stream jeans playing it

[proper gust]

It was left open to interpretation, specifically for players of Drakengard and Automata to put two and two together

[proper gust]

People generally enjoyed the raids when they were new, but from a gameplay and aesthetics perspective. General consensus on the story was that it was out of nowhere and didn't fit, the lack of explanation was jarring and frustrating to a lot of people(I played when the raids were current and I saw this point of view evrywhere)

[final musk]

nah way more ppl were upset about the raid than the lore

everyone just concluded yeah typical collab

who cares about how it connects

[proper gust]

Of course those who played Drakengard and Automata were able to form a pretty likely explanation for it, but those who didn't know anything about those games were left with a "how tf do these things exist here"

[proper gust]

I didn't see much of people complaining about the raids in terms of gameplay until towards the end of the expansion and after.

[final musk]

most ppl enjoy reading the dialogue but there are way less lore fanatics compared to raiders

[proper gust]

I mean raiders think all normal content is trash anyway, I'm talking the general playerbase

I was there when Puppet's Bunker released, my and my husband also ran Paradigm's Breach literally the moment the servers were up, and those raids were getting lots of positive reactions from most players when it comes to the gameplay

[final musk]

all alliance raids are enjoyable on the first go

its afterwards that really matters

2/3 of the nier raids are a slog to replay

[proper gust]

Yeh, towards the end of the expansion when everyone was able to get fully maxed item level, it became apparently just how overly spongey the bosses were, which diminised the raids fun factor

[final musk]

has nothing to do with hp tank

it had 0 alliance raid mechanics

[proper gust]

I still enjoy Puppets' Bunker myself, and Copied Factory at least keeps me awake with the music, but I absolutely hate Paradigm's Breach, I'd rather get Crystal Tower raids 😅

[proper gust]

I'm not sure what you're talking about there

[grave nebula]

lets be real MOST collab are just a quick cash grab or a both side benificial self promo no real effort being put in... and putting a dogshit filler to make the collab make sense should be the bottom of the barrel standard for it

[proper gust]

Copied Factory and Puppets' Bunker like, practically the only alliance raids to actually split up the alliances for boss fights

[final musk]

split... and what

just splitting doesn't make it an alliance raid mechanic lol

[final musk]

well it's just fan service

[grave nebula]

and that yes

[final musk]

just enjoy having your favorite character in the game u love

rather than wondering how the lore is gonna explain how they popped out of nowhere

[grave nebula]

nah i love the lore too much to just brush that away

[proper gust]

Hobbes in Copied Factory literally had different mechanics depending on which party you were

One party had the conveyor belts, one had the bubbly liquid, one had the blast vents. Very easy minimal engagement mechanics, but still a difference between each team

[grave nebula]

which is why im so anoyyed when the dev themself didnt give a shit about thier game story telling... 🥲
lore/world building S tier, but dear god their story telling is Dogshit Tier

[final musk]

so.. basically irrelevant? 😂

[proper gust]

You must be a raider

[final musk]

why does that matter

[proper gust]

Because that's a raider sort of opinion 😅

[final musk]

i dont get the community split in ffxiv on whether someone is a raider or not

when u can do every content

[proper gust]

Raiders consider all content trash if it's not specifically EW savage/ultimate level

[final musk]

no?

[proper gust]

That's the opinion I usually see

[final musk]

thats a subjective mindset

objectively the nier raids have barely any alliance interactive mechanics

[proper gust]

Well yeah, it's an opinion

[final musk]

compared to other alliance raids

you can't deny that

[proper gust]

I mean objectively none of the alliance raids have any such mechanics then?

I'm still not sure what you are referring to cuz Nier raids weren't really any different than any other alliance raid in terms of how the alliances interected aside from Hobbes in the Copied Factory and the three airships in Puppets' Bunker

[grave nebula]

if there seperation is some way when comes to some type of players there must be common behaviour/pattern that happens regularly.. this happen in all game tbh

[final musk]

other raids have mechanics that involve groups delegated to something otherwise massive damage is taken or wipes early on

in nier you can basically ignore almost everything

[proper gust]

Such as?

I'm trying to think of what you are referring to but am drawing complete blank

I mean the second boss of Puppets' Bunker quite literally cannot be ignored, each team can't damage the other two bosses until theirs is down

[final musk]

This isn't really exclusive to nier tbh since it's been ongoing for some time, but take monastery for example

you have active mechanics going out to each alliances

[proper gust]

Monastery just has Cid's adds which work like Puppets' second boss, that's pretty much it

Everything else can be done by anyone in any alliance

[final musk]

?

it's not how its resolved

it's how the mechanic functions

right now literally every alliance gets cleared

with your monitor off

lol

[proper gust]

Like I said, nothing in Orbonne is like that aside from Cid's add phase which works like Puppets' Bunker second boss

[final musk]

its honestly way worse in ffxiv compared to any other game

the passive aggressiveness is insane

[proper gust]

lol and you wonder why I say you talking like a raider with hyperbole like that

"you can beat it with your monitor turned off, on a ddr pad while asleep!"

Like that's just, what is the point in such nonsensical comments that are just outright false?

[final musk]

why are you taking it literally?

[proper gust]

Why should I not take it literally?

[final musk]

cause you should just take it as... mechanic is easier in alliance raids...?

[proper gust]

"easy" is entirely subjective

So it's difficult to take someone seriously when they use hyperbole to describe something they personally find too easy

And that hyperbole is something I see almost entirely from the high-end raider side

[final musk]

it's a content that you can clear 24-man by joining any party

without communication for the most part

how else do you want to describe it 🤔

do we say it's... hard?

[proper gust]

I mean it depends on the player

[grave nebula]

others just aggressiveness not passive

[proper gust]

Some people find Orbonne super difficult. I think it's pretty damn easy

[final musk]

there's no it depends on the player

like you're saying easy is subjective

so should I say it's hard?

[proper gust]

Easy is subjective tho

I think some savage raids are easy, but most people would disagree

[final musk]

can we call msq dungeons easy?

or is that too much

where is the line drawn is what I'm wonderingI guess

[proper gust]

I dunno. Like I said depends on the player. I thought Seat of Sacrifice normal was hard as fuck when I did it my first time as a sprout. But now I think it's easy as hell

I think the line is actually player experience and mindset more than anything.

Cuz like, most stuff I found hard in this game, I found easy later as I grew experienced

[final musk]

okay but you need a baseline, yes? we can agree on that

[proper gust]

I dunno, I can't think of a good way to gauge a baseline, mostly because the constant kit changes

[final musk]

so some content has to be defined as easy cause like you just mentioned. once you got past tutorial, it was no longer "medium" or "hard"

so how else do you classify it?

[proper gust]

Like ARR dungeons seem so easy now to us but back then they weren't. SB extremes are super simple and honestly doing the Unreals they feel like normals, but back when they were current they weren't so simple or easy

[final musk]

yes but when you're explaining to some random player out in the wild, you're going to say a ARR dungeon is easy

[proper gust]

Even baseline is difficult to pin down when it comes to something as subjective and malleable as difficulty

[final musk]

you're not going to be like "oh it's subjective! it might be hard"

like who does that lol

[proper gust]

I dunno what you want me to say, I don't think there can be a baseline

[final musk]

i'm simply applying the same logic here to alliance raids

you create a headache for a lot of players when you aren't creating the baseline that everyone becomes familiar with

it gives them a goal for them to reach

once they're past x content, they can more reliably guage their skill level

[proper gust]

Kinda hard to do that when it's always shifting

[final musk]

if you say difficulty is subjective and shouldnt be applied to any content, it doesn't do anyone good

cause then you just mislead people

[proper gust]

I'm really not following you

You're just confusing me now

[final musk]

@grave nebula in wuwa

are there certain bosses that you'd say are easy, medium, or hard?

[grave nebula]

yes

[final musk]

give me ur list

and see if cinnamon disagrees

cause idk wuwa lol

[grave nebula]

🤔

[final musk]

just give me 3 bosses

easy

medium

hard

[proper gust]

I assume he's talking about the story version of the bosses not the world map or hologram versons

since story mode is prolly the closest I can think of comparing to normal mode in ffxiv

[final musk]

that fact that you had to even mention that.... like why?

just give me an easy, medium, and hard

LOL

[proper gust]

Because then are you talking about the story mode version? The hologram version? World map versions? Each boss has multiple versions to pick from

[final musk]

i'm some random player wanting to solo a boss

and do darksoul-esque gameplay

give me some recommendations

[proper gust]

Ah there it is

"darksoul-esque"

[final musk]

solo gameplay?

should isay that instead?

like oml

[proper gust]

"darksoul-esque gameplay" is a specific type of gameplay, utilizing a specific type of difficulty format

[final musk]

...?

[proper gust]

learn by failure and punishment

[final musk]

is that not... wuwa in general?

u keep replaying until u clear the boss?

[proper gust]

Bosses that can be cleared on the first try by a skilled player with a bit of luck, are not "difficult" by dark souls type of standard

[final musk]

or hoenstly... any game for that matter?

[proper gust]

Exactly. No first try clears allowed

[final musk]

who's telling you this lol

or feeding you this information

[grave nebula]

easy - the monkey?
medium - SEPTIMON Aix
Hard - False Sovereign

[final musk]

aight thanks

cinnamon you agree with that list?

[proper gust]

I mean FFXIV savage raid difficulty is quite literally gauged by how much learn by failure is required before clearing.

[proper gust]

Honestly no, all three of those boses are easy

I can't even really think of any "medium or hard" bosses in WuWa outside of the special "darksouls-esque" gameplay modes where you die in two hits

In which case ALL of them are hard

[grave nebula]

but dats not difficulty tho...

[final musk]

do i really need to start looking up videos of these mechanics

just to even see them

and rate them properly

or do we really just have cinnamon being clueless lol

ty MZ

it doesn't matter whether you find them difficult or not. objectively certain mechanics are harder than others

[proper gust]

Like I said, I'm struggling to understand what you are referring to. WuWa bosses only really have two modes, easypeasy buttonmash or die-in-two-hits buttonmash

[final musk]

the same thing applies with ffxiv

[grave nebula]

imo difficulty = how agrasive the enemy is how smol the window to attack back and how difficult it is too not get caught in thier atk...
boss dat kill u in 2 atk =/= difficulty to me

[final musk]

you cannot say normal dungeons are easy/hard

they are objectively easier than alliance raids, extreme trials, savages

etc

its about establishing a baseline for players to reference

[proper gust]

I dunno about that, there's a few normal dungeon bosses I'd put higher than Void Ark bosses

[final musk]

missing the point lol

[proper gust]

What is the point?

[final musk]

if you want to dive into a topic about normal dungeons only

okay sure go and talk about their variances

[proper gust]

Like you say objectively, but clearly that can't be the case if not everyone can agree on it

[final musk]

cause quite frankly some ppl are just stupid lol

this has nothing to do with a "raiders mentality"

[grave nebula]

same reason why i like a game mode where it count...

• how many kills u do
• how many style point u did
• how many HP remaining u have as timer ended
• how many hit u take
  This ^^^ wat i refering to difficulty when comes to combat
  of course depends on the game.. cuz FFXIV u aint not gonan take DMG ever in a fukin raid

[proper gust]

Ah I see. Your opinion is superior and anyone who doesn't understand is just stupid?

[final musk]

you need a baseline for ppl to measure for future players

[proper gust]

And you aren't giving me a baseline

I'm not even sure what you mean by baseline

Like literally, you aren't giving me anything objective, only your own opinions

[final musk]

normal dungeons = easy
alliance raids = medium
extreme trial = medium
savage raids = hard
etc etc

it doesn't matter whether you agree with this or not

[proper gust]

So opinion

[final musk]

there's a general consensus among the community

are you telling me most ppl aren't going to agree with what I stated above?

[proper gust]

Okay so we are going the general consensus. Now you making more sense

[final musk]

that's the baseline

[grave nebula]

i dont think dats oppinion anymore.. .those dungeon tag itself already a huge text statment saying what difficulty they are

[final musk]

certain games even do that too yeah but thats usually misleading after a certain point

i think especially with the endgame ones

they all start having the same tag lol

[proper gust]

In that case yes, I agree with that general consensus to a degree, tho I'd adjust I think the general consensus is
Dungeons - very easy
Trials, Raids, Alliance raids - easy
Extreme trials - medium
savage - hard
ultimate - very hard

The problem is people can't even agree on those as a baseline due to outliers like O1s and P1s where you have savage raids being generally agreed to be easier than some extremes

[final musk]

?

[grave nebula]

endgame all hard lol unless its gacha game it just easy when u have the correct line up no skill needed... yes im looking at you GENSHIN... i 36 star all abyss nowdays very easy but at what cost??? ALL LUNAR BiS team is on my hand

[final musk]

why does this even matter to you?

like who cares about that topic ????

[turbid linden]

So something got me thinking in the lore of NTE one of the loading screen says espers pay a price when they awake like an exchange for gaining power Hotori’s time power is so strong that people actually don’t want to get on her bad side. What kind of price do you think it took to give her that level of power?

[final musk]

you're overthinking it so much

[proper gust]

I mean it doesn't matter to me, I'm not even sure what we are arguing about anymore 😅

I consider anything under extreme difficulty to be easypeasy. Normal dungeons are my personal baseline, but there is a bit of ymmv cuz I gauge it per boss rather than per duty type

[grave nebula]

story ended on episode 4 hopefully they tell about it on next patch drop

[final musk]

you're the one who defaults to a "oh this is a raiders mindset, so discredited"

i'm trying to explain that it has nothing to do with the mindset

but certain mechanics are just harder than others objectively

some ppl might find things easier than others, yes

[proper gust]

I think you misunderstood that comment

"Raider mindset" wasn't referring to that

It was referring to the pointless use of hyperbole to describe all content they personally think is too easy.

Like nobody is arguing that normal dungeons are the bottom tier in general even if some of the bosses can be tricky for a lot of people

[final musk]

"pointless use of hyperbole"

[proper gust]

But the "raider mindset" tends to be that if they personally don't find it hard enough then it's "braindead easy"

[final musk]

am I the only one that sees the irony in this statement

[proper gust]

FRU, "too easy because not enough failure before clear"

[final musk]

the issue with this is, it's very easy to misconstrue this when you're looking at it from the outside. Id really know your experience level but it's the same relation to "elitism." Most ppl have no idea what that even means.

[proper gust]

Like there are people who shit on someone's UWU clear because "easiest ultimate braindead can clear with a blindfold"

And the game constantly fucks the difficulty too, for instance everyone shits on LotA for being too easy, but I did a MINE run of it shortly before DT and it was legit more difficult than Orbonne

[final musk]

why are you even listening to these ppl?

it seems like you've just bundled all the shitters' opinions and now you have a terrible representation of the "raiders"

[proper gust]

I don't listen to them. I only go by my own personal experience

I'm just pointing out how you were using similar hyperbole

"can clear with monitor off"

I wasn't trying to say you were that kind of person, I apologize if that's how I came across

[final musk]

which also just means... easy?

which again is what im trying to say

which you've also agreed with

alliance raid = easy

so whats the issue exactly?

[proper gust]

I'm not entirely sure myself, we got very hung up on words 😅

[final musk]

i don't think you properly understand what ppl mean when they talk in hyperbole and say when a content is easy or hard

[proper gust]

I just don't consider the Nier raids particularly "easy" compared to, for instance Rabanastre or Weeping City

[final musk]

especially if you took my hyperbole as literal

cause it makes no sense

[final musk]

are u talking about a first time run? or was this reclear?

[proper gust]

It's difficult not to take hyperbole in any other way when I see it so often used that way and have to deal with people who use it almost literally. You may think it not the case but then I get people shitting on my feel good moment for clearing an Extreme blind because "lol braindead easy can clear with blindfold"

[final musk]

i mean i dont really know why you're letting that bother you

ppl will shit on others achievements no matter what

[proper gust]

True, I shouldn't let it bother me, but after it happens enough it does start to get under my skin

I mean I quite Cruiserweight savage because it got under my skin enough to make me feel inadquate

[final musk]

even within ultimate/savage you have different tiers of clears

most ppl are in the nonblind clear category / with guide clears

most ppl aren't clearing blind, so one group already have leverage

it never ends

so why even care what others say

[proper gust]

I don't, until I do.

[final musk]

ffxiv is like the worst mmo for content achievements

[proper gust]

Someone shits on your achievements enough you start to feel it even if you think you're hard to it

[final musk]

so when you talk about "raiders mentality" thats why i dont get it

cause most ppl that raid dont give a fk

you're literally letting the shitters ruin your moment

and idk why

[proper gust]

It's a misnomer to be honest, because "raider mentality" doesn't really fit the majority of raiders. Or so I want to believe at least

But I hate using the term "elitist" instead because like you said, that word also is kinda devoid of meaning anymore

[final musk]

its the same way when I made the reference to "elitism" earlier

most ppl don't know what that means

[proper gust]

"assholes" prolly the best word I would personally use

[final musk]

yeah probably

[proper gust]

But I don't like to categorize everyone like that either. When I have seemingly decent people shitting on my fun with Doomtrain EX in week 1 because "it was boring easy as fuck" to the person, how am I suppose to regard them?

[final musk]

everyone has different experience level

why is that ruining the moment for you

[proper gust]

That's why I get so hung up on the hyperbole, cuz it's something very frequently, specifically utilized by the assholes. I know that wasn't your intention, I apologize for how I construed it

[final musk]

cause 90% of the time a ffxiv player that played since ARR/HW is going to find most new content easy

[proper gust]

Because it makes me feel inadequate. Especially when it comes from people who have cleared content more difficult than I can handle

[final musk]

especially if they've been consistent in playing

and i think you joined.. shb?

endwalker?

ffxiv rehashes so many mechanics so it's not surprising to see ppl say x content is easy or y content was boring

its just the unfortunate nature of it

[proper gust]

ShB yes. My FC dragged me as a fresh 80 sprout into SoS EX, MM EX and E5s and got me the clear, I started raiding on my own with Emerald EX and Eden's Promise tier

[final musk]

and tbh this isnt even exclusive to ffxiv either. Just the longer you've played a particular game, you're going to learn faster than newer players

unless you have outside experience from another mmo

and know what you're looking out for

[proper gust]

And I definitely feel like EW raids spoiled people in a not so great way. Anabaseios tier, DSR and TOP were so extra extra difficult that everything else now gets bashed if it doesn't try to meet their level

Like all my friends who actually did FRU on release compared it to TEA and enjoyed it. But then I get tons of other voices saying how FRU is too easy because people cleared it too fast, like wtf does speed matter, a good fight can be super difficult and still be cleared on the first try sometimes even?

I don't think anyone would call Critical Mode Data bosses in KH "too easy" just because some of them were cleared blind on the first try

[final musk]

"voices saying how FRU is too easy because people cleared it too fast"
you're going to see this in every game. These comments come from ppl that aren't even doing the content. or when they do, it's after guides are released

just ignore this lol

but there is also a line of truth to it

so u just need to see how it plays out

[proper gust]

I use to be able to, back in early EW I easily dismissed people screaming about how my Asphodelos clear didn't mean much cuz "easiest tier ever"

[junior arch]

[proper gust]

By by the time DT came around it was getting under my skin, I felt inadquate for finding P10s to be super hard and unfun, and the same "easiest tier ever" regarding Light-Heavyweight soured my good feelings over clearing it, unlike back in Asphodelos

[final musk]

are you pfing or doing it in a static?

cause those are two different experiences

[proper gust]

I was in blind prog static

[final musk]

okay then your experience is going to be completely dependent on how good your static is

[proper gust]

M9s is the first raid I've done in PF since I met my static in E10s

[final musk]

which varies from...... w1 clear to...... w9999999999999 clears

worse than pf performance

so...

[proper gust]

We almost never cleared before the tier unlocked but I had fun until Anabaseios, where we really started to feel frustration due to P10s and P12s taking far too long for specific mechanics

[final musk]

but for the ppl saying x tiers are easy or hard. it's the baseline thats being created

it's not an attack on you or anything

it's going to naturally shift but to a certain degree will remain true among the community

[proper gust]

Then Cruiserweight came and M6s adds were just destroying us, and me as phys ranged I felt extra pressure cuz no matter how much I tried, how much I made effort to do better, I just felt like I sucked and wasn't good enough, so those voices easily got to me and I quit

I've gotten out of that headspace thankfully, M9s I had a ton of fun and those voices saying it was too easy didn't bother me feeling good about my clear(my first ever week 1 clear of savage too)

[final musk]

I think it's easy to get overwhelmed especially if you're doing it for the first time. You just need to remember most of them have been doing it for several tiers already if not years now.

[proper gust]

Ladder culture also didn't help me. I'm always trying to better myself, but in spite of years of it and feeling like I've hella improved, I still mostly parse green with the occasional greys and blues. And all those voices that scream "you are garbage because you don't parse at least mostly blue"

Like I want to try ultimates, especially FRU, but the parse situation on its own discourages me completely because I see constantly people saying if I don't at least parse mostly blue-purple then I don't belong in ultimate

[final musk]

you can literally plug up logs of ultimate clears

and see gray

[proper gust]

I know it's percentile based which means if 10 of the best wf players were put together at least two of them would be grey automatically, but still

[final musk]

cause obv someone has to land there in other for the meters to work

[proper gust]

M6 adds really made me feel not good enough. I couldn't kill my ray fast enough, or I couldn't kill the gimme cat fast enough. I know that's prolly more on the party as a whole doing too little damage but still

Oh but back to the actual topic, I know I'm weird OCD and stuff about the free Rebecca, I'm aware that I may just be the literal only person who would pass a free gacha character solely because I can't also guarantee their weapon.

I'm still very undecided on it, I love her Harley Quinn aesthetic and Electro gives me some variety for the weekly instead of defaulting to Yinlin all the time, but I dunno yet, I know my OCD is gonna bug the fuck out of me if I have her and not her sig, and if I don't grab her then I won't be any different from new players after the collab ends.

[final musk]

personally this is the way I view collab characters

[proper gust]

I'm prolly gonna wait until I actually get to test her gameplay out myself, cuz if she feels fun to control for me I most likely will say fuck my OCD and grab her just so I can use her in the weekly

[final musk]

if I start a game at launch or even beta, theres usually a legacy reward. It feels nice to have them, and I sorta see collab characters the same way

it marks the progress of a game's development at a certain point in time

you might not see its value now but say wuwa is still alive 10 years from now

ppl will still talk about the cyberpunk collab from 10 years ago and you'll have some sort of participation record of it

to share a story about it to whomever

[proper gust]

Honestly I'm just glad the collab has no significance for me because I don't have all that extra fomo to frustrate me

I have seen mentioned online a few times that there is possibility the collab could extend multiple patches, in which case I worry for nothing as nobody allegedly running after Lucilla really interests me too much 😅

[rugged sand]

Tsk tsk tsk

I WANT COLLAB FOR SKINS

GIVE ME SKINS

[grave nebula]

do note if Yangyang SP is real to be Selena....

she's fucked

like legit no good thing coming for her along the road

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-punishing-gray-raven-selena-gif-26382992

[rugged sand]

MZ IS SPOILING

[grave nebula]

IF she's Selena

[grave nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjEPFWLBcpM&pp=wgIGCgQQAhgB

[lime bear]

She'll become a dokibird XD

[grave nebula]

this might be dark to say but Doki lived....

https://vxtwitter.com/BlackshoresWUWA/status/2056051742089810408
https://vxtwitter.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/2056017905846739283

Timely Black Shores (@BlackshoresWUWA)

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WuWa Universe (@WuWa_Verse1)

They didn't miss a single detail 😭

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if it exist... they make it happen

[lime bear]

How to make fans cry XD
101

[grave nebula]

pause of the sentury

[grave nebula]

hey its not David yet

trailer already show him on the surface of the moon

so maybe the anime fan would have cry either way if they played the quest

[lime bear]

Paimon is not beating the emergency food allegations XD

[grave nebula]

she never tried

she IS the emergency food

[grave nebula]

u know the patch gonna boat load of nothing but a patch to drain all ur premo saving and wallet when the update pre-download is barely 5gb but has 2 new 5 star.... before Snezenya

atleast be subtle bout it... they not even trying just flat out

half of that probably for new Maliastra Wonderland Lobby and outfit sigh....

[grave nebula]

Claim claim~

donno wat Endfield did right but the City actually felt busy and the NPC felt like citizen have their own shit to do... unlike other Gacha NPC dosent felt like they lived there.. just get slap there instead

[lime bear]

Miliastra is a separate packet update

if you disable miliastra in genshin settings in-game, miliastra will not download

[grave nebula]

if its seperate how in the hell i get to jump into maliastra right away after update

[grave nebula]

yeh i didnt turn it off so half of that 5gb most likely maliastra

cuz there nothing in the new patch

[lime bear]

as usual you don't understand terminology, seperate packet doesn't mean it doesn't update at teh sae time, miliastra is updating second, both packets are being downloaded together, if you disable miliasra in-game it will not update at all

[grave nebula]

and???? my statment still holding

I didnt turn it off

[lime bear]

your problem

[grave nebula]

total are barely 5gb only

[grave nebula]

its not a problem to begin with... defuck u on for?

[lime bear]

I wonder how many people actually play miliastra in percentage of players

[grave nebula]

original statment were :

• Total pre-download barely hit 5gb total
• Maliastra are not disable
• COMBINED together 5gb total
  thats how smol the update is for next patch where there 2 new 5 star character

an empty patch... less content.. but more way to spend money

[lime bear]

typical 6 years old gacha with bad management

not all gachas get to live that long to begin with

[grave nebula]

dats an insult to other gacha dats been running for longger then 10 years

[lime bear]

FGO amount you spend there XD

isn't FGO the oldest gacha atm ?

[grave nebula]

no idea

[lime bear]

hmm

[grave nebula]

dat one pieces game still alive holy shit

[lime bear]

yeah I thought it died too

anyways

yesterday was amusing

spent 2 hours wondering why Hiyuki is dealing measly 6k damage

Erm

[grave nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-smirk-funny-gif-3239349938179125104

[lime bear]

I'm also don with currency wars

there's no way for me to finish it ever again

[grave nebula]

"Im here to claim my child support money"

I guess those saying that no other site will ever replace FB post were true i guess
what a wild fuckin anology

[rugged sand]

Interested to see who her bis team is gonna be

Even if she is free

I dont wanna invest resources into her if she screws up my current teams

[junior arch]

I would imagine any sustain will work, so probably sk or mornye or verina

Lucy and Rebecca kinda buff each other and should work with any sustain

[grave nebula]

more so interested to see what other team Rebecca can contribute instead of just Lucy

cuz all support/sub DPS can work with other team even if its not BiS option

[junior arch]

It is being reported that Rebecca is basic atk damage and will buff heavy along with other amps that benefit Lucy's tune hack system and lucy is heavy atk damage that will buff basic, so looking like it will be kinda a looping buff system for them, I am going to guess they will be quick swap friendly

[grave nebula]

dat would be good if that the case cuz the quickswap mechanic has been repress alot recently

even with character that 100% made with quickswap in mind but getting denied/limit for no real reason - Sigrika

[junior arch]

But if Rebecca does buff heavy, she could likely fit in anywhere mortefi does

[grave nebula]

can work with Augusta then

both electo as well

also fak.. i forgor its monday... weekly boss

ehh.. tomorrow it is

[junior arch]

hmmm.... new leaks saying lucilla might be phase 1 and phase 2 might be carte rerun and the collab will be the whole patch

[grave nebula]

collab banner being avalible for whole patch is common

lucilla phae 1 ehhh

[junior arch]

i was hoping for more time to save for lucilla, i hope not

[grave nebula]

🤔 yea i was thinking the same

[junior arch]

supposedly the collab echo set

[grave nebula]

im goin for 3 5stars Lucilla on phase 1 kinda screwed alot of plan rn

dats should be Rebecca gun charge 100%

[proper gust]

She's apparently just a slightly better Mortefi if she's not paired with Lucy. I dunno where that fits in current meta tho, isn't Mortefi mostly just for Jiyan?

[junior arch]

mortefi is the f2p heavy attack buffer, he works with f2p jiyan, augusta, galbrena, etc...

so if she is better than mortefi as universal heavy buffer, it could help all f2p teams with heavy

[proper gust]

Wait I thought Galbrena was echo damage not heavy damage?

[junior arch]

she is both heavy and echo while in enhanced mode

some of her attacks doe heavy some do echo

[proper gust]

Interesting. So I've been running the wrong support all this time? I always had Lupa as my Galbrena support since I don't have Quiyuan.

[junior arch]

lupa also works with galbrena in mono fusion

monofusion is super strong with galbrena

[grave nebula]

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[proper gust]

I don't have Mornye or Brant so no mono fusion either, beeing running Lupa/SK for her and it's worked well enough for the short time she felt powerful

[grave nebula]

gotta look wat they scale of

Lupa is very good for Mono fusion but still their scaling matters more

[junior arch]

the more fusion on the team, the more lupa buffs fusion

[grave nebula]

kinda like Aero bonus VS Liberation bonus for Jiyan, both are not Jiyan main scaling but Aero bonus benifits him more

for Galbrena Heavy Bonus above Fusion bonus even with Fusion trio formation with Lupa

like Aera said the more fusion = more DMG with Lupa, dat mean ALL OF THEM gotta be fusion and dealing DMG

not just Galbrena alone taking all the field timer

next patch u can set any language u like to any character u want

ex : Changli can cpeak in CN while talking with Cantarella who speaks in EN while also Hiyuki talking in JP to them

kinda like Tekken game

[junior arch]

okies, i was raiding at teh time so i did not have much time to properly explain it, but while galbrena is in enhanced mode, basic attacks 1 2 and 3 of her attack chain are considered heavy attack dmg, and basic attack 4 is considered as echo skill damage, so she will get some benifit from heavy atk amp, but she will do better overall damage with mono fusion and with echo skill damage amp

also her liberation deals fusion damage and is considered echo skill damage too, which is why she scales better off fusion and echo skill amp

[grave nebula]

but she does need those echo's amp

just fusion amp wont do much

[junior arch]

but if yoiu have nothing else, then mortefi will work in a pinch

[rugged sand]

Yap yap yap

[grave nebula]

Galbrena Mortefi Lupa

[rugged sand]

More easy explanation

Lupa fire
Galbrena fire

So they go together

Done

[grave nebula]

this aint Genshin Alti

this aint Zenless either

[junior arch]

they good together like alti and Iuno's feet

[grave nebula]

WuWa dosent work that way

Hiyuki Glaxio, Sanhua Glaxio... they did not go together

Alti should play PGR then if that how he think goes together cuz PGR dont go out of their element team

[junior arch]

according to the pro calcs, if you have a very well invested team and can do a giga unemployed rotation, galbrina will do a bit more damage with lupa/mornye monofusion, but most will do better with and adverage team with wwm man in it

[rugged sand]

https://tenor.com/view/anna-nishikinomiya-anime-shimoneta-gif-23311541

[grave nebula]

TLDR S6 R5 everything u can ignore all rotation and teammates

[grave nebula]

get some help alti

SK and Mortefi still take the cake

WuWa should release 4* varient for all Amp characters

[junior arch]

they need to release a team member to share some of chisa's burden, she going to wanted in 3 teams soon lol

[grave nebula]

if i have a penny for every time WuWa make a Liberation Bonus Amp character i will have 4 penny not alot but still funny it happen 4 times already

none of them are 4*

[junior arch]

hmmmm... next rover sounds too cool to be true... i going to wait on more official info on this

[grave nebula]

still waiting on at fusion rover rumour....

it just vanish now

• 1 thing WuWa should copy from Genshin but didnt do... 4 star actually relevant and sometimes better choices then 5 star
• 1 thing WuWa capied from Genshin... both Pyro Traveler and Fusion Rover got shafted and not obtainable even after Pyro Archon and Fusion Sentinal equivelance Resonator became playable

guys.. u copying the wrong thing like come on

[junior arch]

fusion rover not happening any time soon

it was all fan theories

[grave nebula]

true it purely rumor cuz of Aemeath

[rugged sand]

NO

[grave nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-doge-meme-bonk-doge-fyrkant-gif-9982937592001108926

[rugged sand]

https://tenor.com/view/iuno-wuwa-feet-foot-wuthering-waves-gif-14962206198054064029

[junior arch]

right now next rover should be ||electro||

[rugged sand]

She can step on me face

[rugged sand]

ELECTRO?

Wow so cool

[grave nebula]

ur face u mean...

Electro ma fav element so its Win Win for me

[rugged sand]

Imagine using spoil tags in 2026

Smh aera

[grave nebula]

enough of electro being weak in alot of Game 😭

[junior arch]

ok well next sentinal will be electro mommy with fox tails

[grave nebula]

bring the lightning power

[rugged sand]

Eww a spoiler

[grave nebula]

no PGR character come to mind for this one

hold on....

let me see

[junior arch]

grrrrr alti bully

[rugged sand]

Imagine spoiling games in 2026

[grave nebula]

Game is spoiling itself in 2026 wat do u mean alti

[junior arch]

i hope alti's next pull is lingyang

[grave nebula]

WOW WOW WOW WOW HEY HEY

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-flightreacts-sus-flightreacts-surprised-whoa-whoa-whoa-hey-hey-hey-gif-15239857464362134427

no need for war crime now

[junior arch]

alti is a bully that deserves war crimes

[grave nebula]

Mommy... ehhh let see

Qu is not in WuWa yet....

[junior arch]

electro rover is being stated to have an off hand weapon in their kit too

[rugged sand]

Thats going to far

I shall kick u from my FL

[grave nebula]

wats FL???

[junior arch]

i sorry alti

[grave nebula]

for love?

[junior arch]

lol freinds list

[grave nebula]

owhh

Aera the mommy huge tits or not????

[junior arch]

dont know it any concepts are shared yet

[grave nebula]

hmmm

[junior arch]

dont even know how true it will be

[grave nebula]

List of mommy that i can think of they can grab from :

• Bianca (probably SuiSui at this point)
• Karenina (but smol titas.. not mommy enough)
• Qu
• Haichma
• Hanying
• Bridget
• Ishmael (might get Hoyo fan goes crazy again if its her cuz pink hair)
• Discord
• Nirvatia

[rugged sand]

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[grave nebula]

to all gacha game... stop doing these rufle bs

also should show all these side of Denia in game

the slight turn into smile there at very end....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrkE-mw2Nxg&pp=wgIGCgQQAhgB

[grave nebula]

Cantarella at home

[proper gust]

4 teams already actually, and if the leaks about Yangyang are true then it's soon to be 5.

[proper gust]

lol not even close

[junior arch]

Obviously wuwa copied her, canr believe they used time travel just to copy genshin

[grave nebula]

EXACALLY WuWa use time travel to copy genshin 100%

https://tenor.com/view/this-must-be-true-hmk-this-must-be-a-fact-this-is-factual-this-must-be-based-on-reality-gif-27307463

[grave nebula]

https://vxtwitter.com/EXkurogane/status/2056590565467460029 @rugged sand

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open thy wallet!!!!

[rugged sand]

[grave nebula]

pero pero indeed'

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[junior arch]

If kuro really wanted all of alti's money, they should just release a figure of Iuno's feet

[grave nebula]

just the feet part lol

[junior arch]

In the JP denia video, she responds to the the the voice with "synchronization complete" i think that sounds better than "aligned" imo

[junior arch]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/fYIl5kMbbog

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/i/status/2056721486157676820

Timely Black Shores (@BlackshoresWUWA)

Wuwa leaks 3.4 :

You can get Lucy and Rebecca bonus copies by pulling
STC

#wuwaleaks

X · May 19, 2026, 12:59 PM

[grave nebula]

yup same as DMC collab banner rules

pull 1 get 1 free

[rugged sand]

I ain't t pulling

Ill take the free short kid thou

Idk if ill even bother leveling her thou

[grave nebula]

claim first think later

worst case we wait til WuWa add free perma pull on character acension.. still waiting for that

[grave nebula]

WuWa has smol update.. now it takes abit to launch te game...

wat did they touch now

[junior arch]

ever since 3.3, my wuwa takes 20 seconds to launch once i push start and i dont feel like reinstalling

[grave nebula]

the up of it the patch actually working and MSQ has minimal bugged texture not appearing and stuff... but takes abit to launch

[junior arch]

i am assuming that only pulls on the collab banner will count to that

[grave nebula]

100000%

now... let see if tencent let WuWa makes the pull cost half instead of 160 per-pull just like PGR has

cost 800 for 10 pulls

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-wait-patiently-oh-i-will-wait-oh-yes-i-will-man-pulling-out-camp-chair-to-wait-gif-18210748690125729645

my bet they wont

[rugged sand]

U found @junior arch

[proper gust]

Not really, max pulls for a character should be 160 and according to that image you only getting a free copy at 200 and 300 pulls. Still I will say this is a nice thing and very generous for players who are actually saving up for these girls.

[proper gust]

YOU TOO!? I thought it was just me tho it's more like 90 seconds on my end. The "take ages at 75% loading screen" also been taking much longer than usual, normally only about 90 seconds but been usually taking 3-4 minutes now. Also been having weird loading/lag issues like the initial enemies from Tacet nests/fields taking like ten seconds to spawn if I do them in the first 5-10 minutes after entering the game

[grave nebula]

yeh the bar seem to be like milestone base instaed of pull 1 get 1 free like PGR

[proper gust]

pull 1 get 1 free honestly sounds too good to be true, that would mean you only need to pull 3 Rebecca and 4 Lucy to get them both at S6

[grave nebula]

i mean it is Kuro game still... they did with PGR why not WuWa

the only thing dat wont let them do it is Tencent holding them back

so far we got :

• Free Rebecca which is match Kuro style on collabs...
• Free copies as u pulling, not the excat same as PGR pull 1 get 1 extra free but close enough...
  now the final one i wanna see if it came tru or not :
• pull cost got cut in half for collab banner only

[proper gust]

I mean the current milestone method is still very generous, a pleasant surprise. F2P people who actually care about the collab are gonna be the bulk of those who save up pulls and skip other characters they may have very much wanted, having this much of a bonus accessible for them is something commendable and makes the collab considerably less predatory in my eyes.

[grave nebula]

these not the standard for collabs anyway... most collab usually u got free 1 and has to pull another and... thats it

if the collab has only 1 unit... usually u can claim 1 copy them for free from limited time story or limited time game mode

[proper gust]

Yeh and I consider that to be hella predatory, it's quite sad for it to be the standard. Would be nice if these sorts of generosities would shift the standard.

[grave nebula]

sadly it wont.. collab standard has been that way for ages

[final musk]

maybe for these open world games

not for the older gachas that are 2d

[proper gust]

I mean even tho I don't care about the collab, the generosity here piques my interest a bit and makes me more willing to spend money on the game in the future.

[grave nebula]

for that to happen it need the golden goose of Gacha game to make everyone change it and the golden goose wont ever do it...

[final musk]

huh

i'm saying the collab standard didn't use to be like that

[proper gust]

I assume tho the milestone thing won't increase from pulling for weapons tho? Cuz I'd have extra incentive to go for Rebecca's sig if it could potentially lead to me getting Lucy via the milestone thing

[final musk]

before you basically can guarantee it in every game

assuming you don't spend your gems like an idiot

[grave nebula]

depends on the game

[final musk]

uhh

idk pretty much every game ik that has collabs

have been pretty easy

[grave nebula]

tbfair i never have any trouble getting collabs unit my self so yeh they are pretty easy to get

[final musk]

even hbr which is a "newer" gacha all things considered

[grave nebula]

just sayin wat Kuro game is doing is not teh collab standard

[final musk]

you can get the collab units

[proper gust]

Yeh I somewhat remember how collabs use to be for mobile gachas, I played Brave Frontier and FFRK and I remember collabs and even some event stuff like skins being always obtainable at least once without having to pull on special banners

[final musk]

yeah cause the gem income was a lot higher and wasn't tied to useless dailies

you actually played the game lol

its very different now

[proper gust]

I really miss FFRK, an actual decent fun Final Fantasy-themed gacha

[final musk]

everythings tied to dailies and season pass rewards

[grave nebula]

the standard usually

• if there 2 unit 1 is free one is gacha
• if there's only 1 u can get them for free from story or limited gamemode
  nothing extra given after that

[final musk]

if there 2 unit 1 is free one is gacha
the pattern with this usually exists if the game already does welfare units on their events

if yes, then it's pretty much guaranteed

but most cn games don't do welfare units anymore

[grave nebula]

so what Kuro doing is... alot

[proper gust]

The way I remember it from way back was if there were 2 units then 1 given out pretty much for nothing for free, the other one required you to fully complete the event, and from what I remember, they didn't have extra copies to pull for they just didn't get extra copy type bonuses.

[grave nebula]

so if what u saying to get what Kuro doing to be a new standard for all Open world gacha game collab...
it need the Golden Goose of Gacha to do it first then others follow... but it wont
because the prime example of Gacha game like it or not.. its Genshin Impact

[final musk]

?

no

it just needs to do its own thing

genshin doesn't matter

[grave nebula]

it does.. do u have any idea how many game use Genshin as their blueprint

[final musk]

recent games*

we're not in the same universe lol

it looks that way to you

not me

[grave nebula]

yeh and u said up there for newer game is it not??

[final musk]

i've barely played any of the newer games

[proper gust]

Yeh it's unfortunate but does seem like Hoyo gachas specifically are the "modern standard" for CN gacha

[final musk]

3d gacha games yes

not the 2d ones

[proper gust]

I don't really know much of modern 2D gacha, and way back when I played BF and FFRK most of those were JP and Korean

[grave nebula]

like it or not all Gacha look at hoyo as thier blueprint and try to do slightly better cuz thats the gold standard

[final musk]

so like girls fronline, azur lane, or arknights. those are cn

[grave nebula]

even NTE is just Genshin but in mordern city but slightly better in most exspect

[proper gust]

I know Puzzles and Dragons is currenty the oldest longest running gacha, how does that do collabs?

[final musk]

counterside is kr
fgo is jp

PAD is cn

it just does collabs but you have a lot of gem income

[grave nebula]

yeh Endfield unfortuantly drag the gacha standard backward

[final musk]

PAD does a LOT of collabs actually

its kinda insane

thatits still popping off

I remember playing it like 10 years ago

[grave nebula]

Hoyo set the standard 90 pulls gurantee 50/50 lose then win
Arknight Endfield be like hold my BEER 120 gurantee no talks

also u can tell how much endfield were based on Genshin

[proper gust]

But wow that's some memories you guys bringing up for me, Brave Frontier was really fun for me back in the 2010s, and Final Fantasy Record Keeper was a blast and I was present when they did the event that gave out FFX-2 characters

[final musk]

it's one of those things where pity didn't really exist for a lot of gacha back then

but it didn't matter cause they gave so many gems

it was basically statistically unlikely you didn't get the unit.

[grave nebula]

yep back then no such thing as pity or gurantee

real gamble back then

[proper gust]

It definitely didn't feel like a gamble tho. I remember pulling for Exdeath and never once felt like I was lacking in a decent chance to pull him despite being 100% f2p

[grave nebula]

yeh but endfield say suck my nuts their pull economy is fukin horrible
other gacha game if u didnt log in 1-2 all fine not so much gem missing...
Endfield u skip 1 day u aint recovering from that

and this ^ after they incressed gem amount in chest

[proper gust]

Oh that reminds me, yall remember all those older 2D gachas had 3* units, often enemies and unique npcs

[grave nebula]

yeh... mordern gacha dosent do it anymore...

[final musk]

i mean they had 1* and 2* lol

[grave nebula]

AetherGazer kind have it.. but only 2 unit of B (B=3*)

beyond that all A and the rest is S

[proper gust]

Yeh and so much potential lost. Imagine if we could get Jeht and Caterpillar as 3* in Genshin, or the plethora of gorgeous unique npcs in WuWa

[grave nebula]

yeh playing NPC just for fun

1* rarity

Erimite can be 2 star cuz why not

[final musk]

also, is there even a decent co-op yet for any of these open world games lol

[grave nebula]

the NPC in lahai roy exploration quest can be 4* tbh

[final musk]

thats probably the biggest thing I miss in gacha

[grave nebula]

NO

[final musk]

I loved doing sinoalice pvp, or fgo group raids, didn't do too much of gbf guild battles but ik they have that

I loved counterside's pvp system

[grave nebula]

idc if anyone in here wanna glaze their beloved gacha later after reading all these convo but.. stfu
NONE OF THEM has an actual reason to play Co-op

[final musk]

now everything is just single player 💤

[grave nebula]

yeh very single player focus

NTE kinda have reason to play co-op cuz there competative activities and stuff to do in world

[proper gust]

It's because there's hardly anything to do in co-op in modern gacha

[grave nebula]

there car racing there back robbing together

[junior arch]

grrrr. alti is a big bully

[grave nebula]

there even boxing

[rugged sand]

Am not

[grave nebula]

so far i think NTE has the most reason to play co-op

ohh there haunted house mystery solving for co-op too

i shit my self while playing.. even tho there 3 other players together with me in VC

i swear i play NTE for anime action RPG man.. not horror game in fucking hospital T-T i didnt sign up for this

there's 1 in school as well.. fuck that

[junior arch]

i swear though, wuwa is for sure manipulating the chances of main stats that drop.... if a charater optimal build is crit damage, you will only get 1 crit damage out of 20 echos, if they are glacio, the drop your chances of getting glacio and boost def

[grave nebula]

i been saying that since forever man...

my mornye just rolled double crit with lib DMG bonus

3 out of 5 pieces have double crit

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mad-and-sassy-no-fair-gif-12926411

[junior arch]

i have a pretty cracked fusion burst set built now after 3 patches of farming it, but my main echo is min rolls and i can not get crit damage to drop

sad thing is,meta wise, denia might be the most skippable character in the game, but i need her so i can fix her

[grave nebula]

before i forgor... thats reminded me..
the fusion burst set is for Denia or Aemeath???

[rugged sand]

HOW FCK DARE U

[grave nebula]

like why im seeing Denia using the new set instead

[rugged sand]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smash-smashing-smile-school-gif-17922128

[junior arch]

lol alti, she is a great character, but in meta she is a side grade in all her bis teams

[rugged sand]

DENIA IS NOT SKIPPABLE

[grave nebula]

i seen Denia wearing this set...

so who's fusion burst set is for???

Aemeath Fusion Burst mode?

[junior arch]

denai with luuk uses spliced memories, denia with aemeath uses cromatic foam

[grave nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-ill-skip-pam-diggstown-103-ill-pass-gif-23833425

[grave nebula]

more like i have too

[rugged sand]

No no mz

Screw the bills

[grave nebula]

bitch i aint letting go limited time shit that will neevr ever coming back and cry later when i dont have it

[rugged sand]

Screw groceries

Denia

GET DENIA

[grave nebula]

i dont swipe to pull Alti.... I only swipe for cosmatic only

speaking of that i might swipe again in NTE for another skin

[rugged sand]

I could give 2 shits about limited i dont like them
They have not captured me so far

[junior arch]

denia will also have the same problem as phrolo did, no other weapon in game other than stringmaster will benefit her so, her weapon will be a must pull

[rugged sand]

Same as lighting guy

Free

Never got him

[grave nebula]

if its Limited time me want it im weak to it

[grave nebula]

only free in patch 1.2

so not really free

[junior arch]

lol, alti said, they dont want no man on thier account even if free

[grave nebula]

u see this Alti^^^ thats extra pull need to be drop so im good im skipping for now

[rugged sand]

Me no care about what aera said

I like her

So im getting

Period

[grave nebula]

my priority rn is Lucy her weapon and Reb weapon.. those shit once they leave they aint coming back
im the best consumers when comes to limited shit cuz yes i will fumble for it

[rugged sand]

Me cant wait for yangyang

[grave nebula]

even if the limited time stuff have zero value later on

[rugged sand]

And her sis

[junior arch]

denia has that adorably evil thing going on with her animations, so i need her, aslo her trailer made me want her even more

[grave nebula]

Im worried.. if she truely based of Selena... she Soooooooooooooo screwed

im ready to cry

must prepare myself for that

[rugged sand]

[grave nebula]

i love her

i like Denia more then Sigrika and Lynea tbh

but hey priority

Denia will rerun

it is wat it is

[grave nebula]

we'll be sobbing like a bitch if its true

[junior arch]

i love how denia's boss music has that horrible evil child playing with her pray sound to it

[grave nebula]

Selena in PGR got body torn in half ripped appart

and thats the least horrible thing that happen to her

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-selena-selena-pianissimo-punishing-gray-raven-selena-pgr-punishing-gray-raven-gif-10779609469295425219

[junior arch]

perfect opportunity to get a nice pair of robot legs though

[grave nebula]

well she did... PGR is very robot like

all of them are construct a human turn robotic

[junior arch]

yangyang is the poster child of wuwa though, so i think she will be safe

[grave nebula]

Lucia is poster child of PGR she got fucked the most

and twice even

born 2 Lucia

[junior arch]

oh noes, run lil yapyap, runn!!!!

[rugged sand]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-cry-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-anime-elf-gif-439863309920468642

Nothing is going to make me cry like 3.1 did

[junior arch]

lol alti rolled up in a burrito blanket for a week and did nothing after 3.1

[grave nebula]

Original Lucia "died" and transfer her mind (conciousness) to survive with new construct
but the Original body survive and suffer tru pusnishing virus and discover the truth behind the missing and was left for dead... use code name Alpha

Mind succesfully escape and entered new contruct and Lucia was save (memory where old body died now she got new body)

both trying to kill each other imagine fighitng ur self but full staroid and more powerful mode
same person but different life route

Poster Child for Kuro Game = u'll get fucked the hardest

[junior arch]

this is what the echo set i have built so far is looking like, should be good to go on day one

[grave nebula]

it takes Lucia 3 new form to beat Alpha thats how strong she is

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-alpha-pgralphapog-pgralphaomega-punishing-gray-raven-alpha-slash-pgr-alpha-sheathe-gif-22479680

not even win its a draw

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/i/status/2056932939988869484

Wuthering Waves (@Wuthering_Waves)

[False Promise for Tomorrow] Featured Resonator Convene

During the event, 5-Star Resonator: Denia, 4-Star Resonators: Chixia, Buling, and Yangyang receive boosted drop rates!

✦Duration✦
2026-05-21 10:00 - 2026-06-07 11:59 (server time)

✦Eligibility✦
- Reach Union Level 5.

X · May 20, 2026, 3:00 AM

[grave nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-a-tempting-offer-dr-frasier-crane-kelsey-grammer-frasier-that-proposal-is-enticing-gif-9307484605209697616

https://vxtwitter.com/ntememes/status/2056847810784305248

NTE/Ananta Memes (@ntememes)

When you get a gf randomly

#NevernessToEverness

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 19, 2026, 9:21 PM

i'll brb.. gonna grab my bike and see if i can get a BF real quick

[grave nebula]

https://x.com/Sp1dre/status/2056345247270227981

Spider2B (@Sp1dre)

Kinda in China rn away from my pc so no alpha day 1 gameplay, but here's a life sized Alpha bike at the Kuro HQ/Cafe! More to come!

#punishinggrayraven #pgr #pgrtwt

X · May 18, 2026, 12:04 PM

https://tenor.com/view/alpha-pgr-lucia-pgr-alpha-alpha-pgr-gif-1233339170287321091

[junior arch]

my denia wil be ready

[grave nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-1r1y4O30M&pp=wgIGCgQQAhgB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1hdgF1aFX4&pp=wgIGCgQQAhgB

[junior arch]

my lucilla will still need some work

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/i/status/2056948030415540718

Wuthering Waves (@Wuthering_Waves)

Wuthering Waves EP3.3 — Denia - "Decensus Ad Nihilum"
Don't look down. Don't look down. Just leave time to suspend.

Production: Wuthering Waves
Vocalist: Kahoca from Empty Old City
Producer: Crywolf
Composer: Justin Phillips
Lyricist: Justin Phillips, Cxssidy
Arranger: Justin

X · May 20, 2026, 4:00 AM

[junior arch]

song is a freakin banger

https://tenor.com/view/rockero-dinosaur-gig-leprosy-head-bang-gif-15395638586971166831

[proper gust]

Yeah her and Lucilla being dual BiS makes them very much not skippable. Or at least, they would be not skippable if they weren't running so close to the ultimate FOMO called collab characters

[junior arch]

The thing about denia though is that her teams already perform just as well in everything as with lynae, so if you have lynae already, shebis just a luxury pull as far as meta goes

[proper gust]

To be fair, "everyone" is a luxury pull when it comes to meta

4-star, Standard 5-star and Rebecca, as well as Rover, are the non-luxury options

[junior arch]

Not real, aemeath and luuk need one or the other or their damage crippled. Having both with free one up to be used elsewhere, but having both is just a side grade for each team, which is why she is just a luxury pull as far as account usefulness goes

[proper gust]

Denia isn't a "sidegrade", she's outright superior to Lynae for both Luuk and Aemeath, Lynae is flat out second-best. And if you have both of those characters you're gonna want Lynae and Denia both anyway

I'm just not seeing any convincing argument from you on why she is so skippable compared to literally any other limited 5-star support

[junior arch]

Fusion burst will do less damage in single target than rupture

[proper gust]

slightly yes, and only at lower S levels. Higher S level Aemeath Fusion Burst outperforms Rupture even in single target

[junior arch]

Buy the difference will not really matter more than just shaving a few seconds of clear time

[proper gust]

A slight upgrade is still an upgrade, and this one particularly frees up Lynae for another team

[proper gust]

Really not a convincing argument like I said; may as well just call all supports skippable luxury pulls since you can still perform well with the standard and 4-star characters

[junior arch]

Which is why it is a luxury pull, cause it makes it easier to get by because we can still clear just fine the way it is now

[proper gust]

Well then you should just skip all supports from now on cuz they all luxury pulls. No Lucilla, no Suisui

Hell you should definitely have skipped Mornye just SK works well enough

Oh skip SK too cuz Verina exists

I'm being facetious but I hope you see my point

[junior arch]

Most supports are needed lynae and denia both support the same dps

[proper gust]

Yes and that's just an even greater reaspon to pull both Denia and Lucilla

Literally every team wants Lynae as their second best, but you only get one Lynae, so pulling Denia and Lucilla frees up Lynae for another team that wants her

My big issue is gonna be only one Chisa

I don't have Luuk but I do have Hiyuki, and both her and Aemeath want Chisa

[junior arch]

Every team that denia is bis in lynae already supports just as well, that is the whole reason lots of ppl are skipping because they are choosing new teams over side grades for existing teams

[proper gust]

"side grade" is not a thing

And you keep ignoring that you ONLY GET ONE LYNAE

People aren't skipping Denia because Lynae exists. They are skipping her because the first Glacio in over a year just ran right before her, and collab banners are running right after her. That latter point is why people are gonna skip Lucilla as well

[junior arch]

You keep forgetting that not everyone can pull every character and not every team is needed to be used at the same time in 99 percent of game content, only in endstate matrix

[proper gust]

I don't see what that has to do with your weird claim that people are skipping Denia because Lynae exists

And also weird you aren't using that claim for the obvious skipping of Lucilla next patch

[junior arch]

Because lots ppl are saying on all socials are saying thay are skipping denea because they have lynae and are saving for lucy

[proper gust]

You also keep glossing over the much more obvious reasons people skipping her: Glacio before, collabs after. Even if Lynae was shit people would have skipped Denia for Hiyuki and collabs

[proper gust]

There ya go, the real reason there: saving for Lucy.

Lynae is just an excuse, if they didn't have Lynae, they'd find some other excuse to skip Denia for Lucy

But really, you need to understand that, the reality is, Denia was skippable the moment Hiyuki was revealed to be Glacio. Even without the collabs, that was just too big a deal to pass up, with or without Lynae

Lucilla being Glacio may help her a bit there, but the collabs running alongside her are still gonna result in her being skipped by a ton of people just like Denia

[junior arch]

But the whole point is that if you have lynae, you already have a aemeath and luuk team that can clear tower and well.. luuk sucks at whiwa and should not be used there anyways.. having denai to thise teams is just a luxury because they already clear just fine

[proper gust]

Hell I myself decided to risk my chances at Denia to grab Hiyuki, because Carlotta has been powercrept too much and there's just literally no other Glacio option

[proper gust]

Only if you have Mornye

[junior arch]

Tune break denia will also be tied to mornye

[proper gust]

And regardless, the Lynae reasoning is just extra justification, the real reason was given as Lucy

"I'm skipping because I want Lucy" it is simple as that. The added "I have Lynae anyway" is cope justification, much like "I have SK"

[proper gust]

Yeh cuz Luuk's BiS is Denia/Mornye

[junior arch]

But pulling a character because it frees up another character will always make that a luxury pull

[proper gust]

The funny thing is people who have both Hiyuki and Aemeath actually want Denia even more since they'll need to run Aemeath in Rupture mode since Hiyuki needs Chisa

[proper gust]

Like I said, that's kinda how it is for most limited supports. Mornye frees up SK who frees up Verina who frees up Baizhi. Chisa frees up AeRover. Denia frees up Lynae, and Lucilla will free up both Lynae and Quiyuan.

[junior arch]

True is some teams, but some teams will not function with sk and need chisa or mornye to fuction

[proper gust]

Phoebe, Ciaccona and Iuno are the only supports I've seen described as outright must have's for their dps character with no "second-best" alternative

[proper gust]

SK is quite literally universal there is no team that can't make use of her because literally every character benefits from crit and heals.

She's just no longer the universal second-best third slot because Chisa and Mornye exist now

[junior arch]

There are some character that can not active parts of thier kits with sk as support

[proper gust]

Aside from Chisa in status teams and Mornye for Lupa mono Fusion I really dunno what teams you are referring to.

And either way, SK is still a universal second-best for third slot, regardless of whether or not she can't bring out the fullest of team kits.

Honestly I'm surprised it took till 3.0 for us to get a universal second-best second slot

[junior arch]

Just a couple examples, phrolov needs anterella to use all off field attacks.Aemeath needs mornye too for rupture damage to be at full power, in order for hiyuki to utilize all of her chafe abilitie She needs both lucilla and chisa. Lupa must have a fusion support or all of her buffs will not activate. These teams can get by with shorekeeper, but using her will cripple their damage.

[proper gust]

Oh you mean the specialized teams yeh. Again tho, that's bis characters, I referred to SK as second best. If you're missing Cantarella then you use SK. If you're missing Brand/Mornye for Lupa you use SK. The only such team I can really think of where SK isn't the absolute second-best is if you have Cartethyia and Ciaccona in which case I understand AeRover to be a slight upgrade vs SK

[junior arch]

Speach to text is a terrible thing

And the shorekeeper is the third best support for well built jinhsi teams

[proper gust]

I got the gist of what you said, character kits that are outright handicapped without a specific third slot BiS character. But the damage really isn't too crippling considering I ran Rupture Aemeath/Lynae/SK and saw amazing results in ToA. Mornye allowing me to be slightly faster would just be, as you call it, a luxury.

[junior arch]

Yeah, she only adds aboutt 100k amage to aemeath nuke and probably 50k to lynae

[proper gust]

I dunno how much that is but I cleared the two Aemeath ToA middle floors with decent time to spare and not much difficulty surviving, so I can't imagine Mornye would make it much faster

[junior arch]

Lol I don't even use healers when I do tower

Honesty no characters are really needed

[proper gust]

I didn't last version of the middle floors, I was able to barely survive with Aemeath/Lynae duo. I failed once with this version then went back in with SK support and destroyed it

I've also had decent results in the current WhiWa with Aemeath/Lupa/SK(Chisa and Lynae were in my Hiyuki team)

[junior arch]

I have been using been using aemeath as triple fusion rupture, it honestly does the same damage as with lynae

I plan to use aemeath denia lupa when denia comes home

[junior arch]

This is what I used on middle tower

I hope carte never falls off, she still my favorite

But i know someday she will

[rugged sand]

TF U CALLED MY SK

3RD BEST SUPPORT?

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-17226651476707151245

[junior arch]

Well mornye lynae makes jinhsi do more damage, verine has coordinated attacks, which also makes jinhsi do more damage, in jinshi teams, shorekeeper does not boost jinshi damage the most

Well unless your build is soo bad that she can not function without the crit

[junior arch]

https://tenor.com/view/iuno-iuno-wuwa-luno-iuno-wuthering-waves-wuthering-gif-17780486381755516420

[rugged sand]

@junior arch

https://x.com/i/status/2057048439867760996

Wuthering Waves Animation Info (@WuWa_Ani_Info)

It seems like from WW 3.4 and beyond you can directly buy a character from the Shop as well.

Most likely an Old character.

#WutheringWaves

X · May 20, 2026, 10:39 AM

[grave nebula]

now now.. lets not get too excited

let see what currency will it use

[junior arch]

Hmmm... ppl will rejoice, I ant spending on Old characters though lol if true...

Alti could finally get changli though

[grave nebula]

i could finally get Jinhsi lol

[junior arch]

Let me get lupa's weapon, I am still missing that lol

[grave nebula]

my assumtion it will tie to gamemode and currency will build overtime to be able to buy them from the shop

would been easier if all 5* get added to limited banner pool after the patch of the character release ended ... but still got an anual rerun (new banner if u lose 50/50 u can lose to previous banner character)

[rugged sand]

Yes

Finally

https://x.com/i/status/2057046196108304767

About Wuwa (@AboutWuwa)

WW 3.4 beta
*plz note STC
New packs: Character Select / Resonance Chain Packs. Allows you to select a character from a limited range and obtain the character itself or their Resonance Chain.
Please refer to the Wuthering Waves Version 3.4 Preview Special Broadcast for final

X · May 20, 2026, 10:30 AM

Wow

@grave nebula @junior arch

Wow wow wow

YES

[grave nebula]

that aint free

[rugged sand]

No more 260 corals saving

[rugged sand]

Ik

[grave nebula]

new pack probably added to shop

[rugged sand]

IK

I can buy chains with cash

HELL YEAH

[junior arch]

Hope it is not too much, i have been using coral for that

[rugged sand]

Im assuming it wont be all the way to 6

[grave nebula]

there is another possibility tho... it can behind endgame

[rugged sand]

But most of my char are s2 or s1

[grave nebula]

cuz PGR does dat

[rugged sand]

Wait I think i got 1 or 2 s3

I cant remember

[grave nebula]

for wat ever reason u can get extra copies with endgame currency

[rugged sand]

Maybe 1

[rugged sand]

😮

I would like that

[grave nebula]

still depends

very unlikely but can still hope for it

also...

[junior arch]

Endgame would be nice, i can do all the endgame

[grave nebula]

u're right... this technically not swiping for gambling

it is a direct purchase if its a stright up buy from shop

so maybe

[junior arch]

Lol if in cost more than buying 160 pulls, dont sign me up

[grave nebula]

i'll still take it

I wont pay for gamble, i'll pay only if its direct purchase

hence why skin i always buy if i want it

when Skin is behind Gacha.. yes im looking at u PGR and AetherGazer... as much i wanted them i aint spending on gambling

skin i wanted the most in PGR... but i will never ever owned it cuz its behind Gacha

https://vxtwitter.com/GopioR/status/2057054723040256307

gopio rolito (@GopioR)

[Live2D Desktop Pet] Click on Little Amy with tons of animations~

She so Precious i love it!!!

Sc: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ts9eBkEXX/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.click&fbclid=IwY2xjawR6c_tleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBwNllUT3JjUEc2VnBoQnFuc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHpsDcH58dbmbWH8IOe9cnhqrZo3YsMjGfEIiXYnOVIwOrtZz66Vd-SMemT7t_aem_GTlnl-ZU2jhDqf_MA2CLcw&brid=YWdncwHMgkrVyxDTC8J1rln0kJ7q

#Wutheringwaves #Aemeath

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 20, 2026, 11:03 AM

if ur PC can handle it ^

smol Amy

I hate that I saw this coming but still dissapointed even after knowing it will happen this way...

Long dress that makes her design looks Interesting & different from other playable
Cut it short (legs for waifu bait) and slap Furina's dress tail for the 10 000th time so it looks same as all other characters

[junior arch]

I like legs

[grave nebula]

https://vxtwitter.com/alicedailyy/status/2057088891358707839

Daily Alice .°˖✧ (@alicedailyy)

THEY EVEN SCRAPPED PULONIA FOR A RANDOM MECHA WITH METAL BOOBS??

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 20, 2026, 1:19 PM

and this....

so many people waiting for Pulonia

[grave nebula]

when its the 100th.... its kinda lame

creativity non existance

her whole bottom is already existed asset that others already wearing but different color

first its SW lv999.. then Himeko Nova.. now its spreading to Genshin with Sandrone...

https://tenor.com/view/gun-gun-reload-reload-gif-gun-gif-gif-16807457876521490832

now dont u dare fucking touch Zenless with ur Lazy ass redesign Hoyo

https://vxtwitter.com/NoctNekoAsh/status/2057086936683303231

Unwritten (@NoctNekoAsh)

That’s it?

QRT: Gacha_Zone
SANDRONE ULTIMATE

#GenshinImpact

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 20, 2026, 1:11 PM

his tweet is literally wat im thinking... "thats it?"

same ol pattern... Super Hype Long awaited character minimum effort, no xtra work needed cause people will swipe anyway and still buy...

[lime bear]

But is she drinking Himeko's Coffee?

[lime bear]

I've seen games that put maximum effort and sell nothing, not a good measure for success

[grave nebula]

"my game have higher revanue so its better" this what u sounds like with that response

[lime bear]

As usual, you don't take notes from the lessons and you never learn. I'm not even going to elaborate. All you want to do is hoyohate but you play ZZZ, a hoyo game, such hypocrisy. But alas, your opinions are your own, and your fav games are obviously superior. Too bad you lack the intellect to understand what some people actually try to tell you.

[grave nebula]

everyone a hyprocrite i hate when I actually care about them and want it to get better, if i dont say shit thats mean i give zero fuck about it anymore.. just like how i stop saying anything about HSR.. cuz i have no care about the game anymore

and hell no my fav game is not superior

it can be my fav game but fuck no i aint calling it superior then other game

[lime bear]

And tell me, at which point telling anyone but the developer how shit the game is while still playing it ever helped making changes? You all complain while playing the games. You want the devs to take your complaints seriously? stop playing those games.

[grave nebula]

1. feedback already submited never missed once
2. thats where the hypocracy at as much i hate wat they doing i still ACTUALLY LIKE the fukin game... I WANT to play them

i aint buying shit sure... but only them that offer said game..

WuWa NTE Endfield there can be 1000 of new gacha open world game.. but non of them will be Genshn, same applies to all of them,
I said it before.. I repeat.. If u really love the game u will keep playing even tho its gone to shit, if u quit for mild anoyyance u never really liked the game to begin with... stupid logic i know..

none of them will/can replace one another

I wanna enjoy them all

[lime bear]

I call it an addiction.
I love World of Warcraft, but it became shit, I complained directly to Blizzard like everyone else, and there was no visible evidence the company has the will to make improvements. So like many other players, I stopped playing the game. Did it work? somewhat it did, there have been many attempts at improving the game, but only when they started doing what players wanted it miraculously started to bring players back. There's still a long way before i can consider returning to the game, but it seems to see the objective after a decade.

I love Final Fantasy XIV, but the game became shit, so I also stopped playing the game, complaining didn't do anything so players stopped playing the game, and from 12 million players now it's at measly 340k worldwide across all platforms, until in march Square Enix stopped reporting active players accounts numbers.
New announced expansion might bring the numbers back, but a lot of people feel like they need to wait and see and not a single person is considering pre-ordering. Players became tired with being deceived.

But sure, just because you love a game that is becoming more shitty that you need to constantly complain about it, that justifies you keep eating the shit you complain about. It's just an addiction. Nothing else.
You're addicted to complaining, and you are addicted to eating it.

[grave nebula]

ohh its a million percent addiction zero doubt on dat at all

literally im the only one in my group dat log in daily into Genshin everyone else is long gone

[lime bear]

new artifact domain has some weird ass elemental recomendations

[grave nebula]

just find it funny its always these 1 company... it has 3 games that blow up (ZZZ not really) but still the same complain repeating 🙂
somehow i cant find the same as the others...

[lime bear]

I stopped complaining about otehr gaems already, i don't give a fuck anymore

[grave nebula]

yeh cuz u dont play them... so make sense to not care

[lime bear]

I complained directly to Endfield devs, obviously they doubled down on the problems of the game so I left the game entirely, same thing with excelia, and with many others, I no longer complain, if it bothers me to the point I need to stop playing I just stop playing, feels better that way. many fun games, but without me.

[grave nebula]

double down is crazy

[lime bear]

I did enjoy all those games i left behind, and I don't regret it.Copium players wil lkeep those games alive

[grave nebula]

im one of them most likely but i dont spend shit on them so i just riding it for free

[lime bear]

Remove the "R" from the object name.
The devs make fun of players.

that's from your screenshot btw

[grave nebula]

dosent really matter where its from

those thing get full on its own

Endfield are indeed on thin Ice for me as well.. i dont really see anything yet to actually invested in the game

[lime bear]

Endfield had one thing going for it

factory building

[grave nebula]

and beta reviews so far are all true.. the game dosent really has a core to stand on

[lime bear]

they fucked it up

[grave nebula]

the factory is aite...

and dats come from a person who hate doing it

[lime bear]

valley IV factory is great, wuling factory is dumbfuck asshatetry

[grave nebula]

oppesite for me Wuling factory is good 1.0

but wuling 1.1 factory now its not good anymore

[lime bear]

ok so for new domain artis fastest clears so far:
1-Bina team (with Zibai) 22 secs
2-Bina with Linea (no horse) 27 secs
3-Full Klee team (No Durin cuz fuck him) 29 secs
4-Skirk Cheat Team 30 secs
5-Furina+Adolf+Mona+Sucrose team 34 secs

[grave nebula]

should try bina+nefer

just those 2

30 sec

[lime bear]

thankfully don't have nefer

[grave nebula]

oof

[lime bear]

Nefer is not my kind of combat unit

[grave nebula]

fair enough

[lime bear]

just like yelan

I can't seem to like tehir playsyle

[grave nebula]

how are those 2 similar?

i gets the part of their gameplay being boring tho

Yelan moar boring then Nefer to me

I miss Alhaitham spam click gameplay

[lime bear]

it's not about them being similar, you're missing teh point, they are just not fun characters to play as