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highly recommend MSQ

never check when post like dis happen... since i log in everyday anyway so i just know when it happen in game

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https://youtu.be/Msw-dByby0w

Current PGR match UE WuWa

engine was never the problem

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Always Female when available.

If Female not available, use mods to play First person View

It stops after a while, but farm that trial xp from anything you can to unlock more shit faster

to be fair I kind of like how doing the base MSQ you have to do some side quests that open up more information about the world I find it much more entertaining and those quests are usually very short, like fetch something or do something usually just max 5 mins.

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The only problem engine can have is it's technical limitations, but Bethesda keeps proving that's a matter of coding and kicking the dead horse, so just keep adding stuff and it will wok out somehow.

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which man its never a problem cuz there wayaround it, Kuro did the same

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

its matter of wanna improve or not

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yep

creation engine is nearly as old as Warcraft 3 engine

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I wish ffxiv could just add code and have it work, seems like every line of code added has a chance to break something else

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dats all game problem tho... u add new stuff something else broke

coding rules basically

[lime bear]

FFXIV engine code is a difefrent issue, it's spagghetti code refers to, early coding had no comments or not enough comments that would explain what each parse does, so in that regard they spent several years in the backstage trying to figure out what lines had meant and how to break it down or improve it, Luminous Engine is actually very versatile, however the early expansions were not meant to succeed, heavensward was a huge success but it was entirely built on new features and old features were just being deleted. Old spells and abilities were removed because they had no recourse on fixing them, they simply added some of tehir ability to traits or otehrskills

if you look back, ARR had nearly 20 duties on lvl max (50) only added because they wanted to add more content, heavensward was added becasue Yoshida recognized players engagement and decided to take teh risk

he literally went against corporate decision about teh expansion

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holy shit... they so expensive to craft

beat forma

https://tenor.com/view/wipe-off-sweat-bradley-hall-clear-the-perspiration-wash-away-sweat-gif-5666657092934823161

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yeah but you get a lot more money from high end content

I mean,

it is Anime Warframe XD

Farmville

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nono i dont mean the coin cost

dis shit

[lime bear]

yeah

anime warframe

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nah Forma is easier

this thing beat forma when comes to mats expensiveness

[lime bear]

ok so WuWa already has Collect all

when you are in a spot with several things

hold F

and it picks up everything

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Welp I didn't get Nefer. Gonna try for Arle's weapon for this banner

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careful dis is the worst benner come to date

unless u really locked in for her weapon then go for it

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Yeh cuz Zhongli's useless ass weapon

But Arle's weapon is a level of drip for her far beyond what other character signatures are

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the 4* as well none of them has great value

worst banner up to date

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I'm not pulling the character banners so that's irrelevant to me 😅

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i mean 4* on weapon banner

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I dunno I feel like one of the Sigewinne banners was worse

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4* on character banner actually decent value rn

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I I don't ever give a shit about 4* weapons on the weapon banner cuz they almost always garbage anyway and 90% of my 4* pulls on weapon banners end up being characters for some reason anyway

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worst banner up to date im referring to current weapon banner, Arle weapon is nice drip but dats about it

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dis just wrong cuz Xiphos and Fav exist

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At least Zhongli's spear is decent drip and is useful for some characters I have, Sigewinne's bow isn't very good drip and is useless on anyone that isn't her

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and those EM 4* weapon

Xiphos R5 is Kazuha BiS and works for most support, yes better then his Sig which is funny

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That's wh I said "almost always"

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dis 4* rotation weapon rn just no value at all

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The only time I care about weapon banner 4* is when one of the rare few actual busted weapons are there

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That's what I'm saying tho, the weapon banner 4* selection seems to usually have no value.

Deckhand and Xiphos, that feels like all that's great to pull for.

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the new Mooncion weapon is pretty good cuz they are the first 4* weapon dats not from battle pass dat have Crit rate/Crit Dmg

but of course... only avalible in weapon banner not anywhere else

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I haven't actually looked at new weapon banner 4* since the Natlan ones were added. Mostly because I haven't really had a weapon banner that was worth pulling.

This literally the first weapon banner for me since like, Fontaine, where there's a weapon I really want and no character I want more

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the natlan 4* dat got added are all trash im pretty sure

there one with reduction stamina cost

im like why....

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Yeh the 4* weapons released during 5.x were mostly bleh, even some event ones were like, WHY?

That weapon given for the 5.4 Inazuma event that gives movement speed increase IIRC? It's so pretty but the effect sucks ass

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5.x event sword is pretty good tho as long u have shiled u got free Crit

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You mean the Citlali event one? Yeh that one was great. But the others were kinda bleh, especially the Inazuma one

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Inazuma one is good as well for EM scaling DPS

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The effect sucks tho

Oh wait it does give a decent chunk of ATK

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let see i forgor

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That's not from 5.4

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eww every 15 sec

5c CD

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I'm talking the "spear" that's like a flaming lantern

Gives like 20% ATK and 10% movement speed

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owhh dats F2P iansan weapon lol

cuz it have High base atk

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You got it from that event in Inazuma with Raiden backstory and Mizuki

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kinda Emelie option as well

the sprint speed is useless ofcourse

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The 5.6 Bow is garbage as well

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dis one?

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No that's not from 5.6

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Sequence_of_Solitude

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owhh yelan can use dis

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Seems kinda bad tho? AoE damage every 15 seconds that it

Keep in mind I'm talking effect mainly, any weapon can be decent as a stat stick

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yeh but dat extra HP is big DMG boost for Yelan

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Yeh but it's just a stat stick then for her

The effect is garbage for literally everyone

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yeh the HP stats make up for its bad passive

alot are suck at both

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That's why I go by effects. Even the current banner weapons aren't bad if we are talking stat sticks

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dis one works on sigwine as well... so she still deal DMG and heal big tons

all dis 4* are bad in both passive and stat stick

beside sac fragment

sucrose loves dat

im so mad when dat Claymore came out and its have HP and it such a good drip for Freminet

same as the Bell dat have HP stats perfect drip for Freminet

but he didnt scale tru HP

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

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I don't count weapon banner weapons that can be obtained anytime from other banners

Also Sac and Fav weapons I feel like is cheating to use as comparison cuz those are just "GREAT for everyone" weapons

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the only 4* u can obtained from other banner is Dragon bane and Sac fragment

other 3 are limited

all those 3 are sucks

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Sac and Fav weapons are the Fischl/Xingqiu/Sucrose/Bennett/Xianglin of weapons

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I get Fav weapons all the time tho...

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all those 3 are fontaine weapon with HP sub

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Fav avaible in all banner

those 3 are not

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Yeh, same as Sac

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Yeh, I was just talking about when fac or sac are in on the rate up. Feels like cheating to count them

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all 3 are bad

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They're good as stat sticks at the very least. The sword especially is big for Nilou if you don't have her sig cuz there's literally no other HP sword still

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tbh u can do more holding the Umbrella then dat sword which is bizzare

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If they're all HP isn't the bow good for Yelan? Dunno who could use the Claymore tho

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Bow sub is Atk

passive is healing

for some reason

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Oh so they aren't all HP

That's weird

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yeh its very weird for fontaine base weapon

i guess they trying to give 4* option for Lyney cuz he do heal himself

but Fontaine craftable exist

and its better

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Fontaine Craftable isn't good for Nilou

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Fontaine craftable is 2nd BiS for Clorinde

at R5 like 5% DMG diffrence from her R1 sig

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Oh that Natlan event sword didn't end up beating it after all? I remember back when it released there was theorycrafting that it may be slightly better

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im not sure cuz it required shield

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I know the Fontaine craftable is so close to Clorinde's sig I seen people compare it to donut vs Kokomi's sig.

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Was it a different weapon maybe? I distinctly remember a 4* weapon during Natlan patches that people were theorycrafting could beat the Fontaine crafted for Clorinde, tho only slightly

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its the shield one no? dat u get free crit and BA more DMG delt

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I dunno then, it was a good while ago. Clorinde does generally want a shield up at all times tho just like Arle so maybe

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she heal herself anyway so she dont really need shiled

having a shileder as DMG loss cuz her BiS team is Chevi overload team

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This tho no way in hell. Nilou's kit relies far too much on her HP which is why Dockhand's Assistant is her 2nd bis. Primordial Jade Cutter is her 3rd bis cuz it gives max hp in the effect

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i know dats why it so dumb

Nilou do want shit tons of HP

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That's why I say that the current banner weapons aren't all garbage. At the very least Dockhand's is a very important big one to want if you own Nilou but not her sig

Claymore and Bow I dunno tho

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they can release a HP scaler claymore user dat would make it useful

dat bow has no use with Fontaine crafting exist

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I don't tend to pull weapon banners for featured 4* like I do sometimes with character banners tho, so having two bad ones isn't a big deal for me. I mostly seem to pull 4* characters on the weapon banner anyway

And Arle's weapon has the added enticement of transforming into a completely unique weapon when used by her so there's that

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still in the end current weapon banner value is worst to date, since character dat can use em are not dat great anymore

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tbh dis the only reason to pull on dis trash banner

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Eh, Nilou is still pretty busted I get great use out of her.

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ehhh she not dat great anymore

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Is Zhongli's weapon decent on Arle? Cuz I dunno who all it'd be good for(I just know it's outright bad to put on him)

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no

worst 5* ever exist i guess

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I mean she still tears stuff up for me when I'm not in "Electro-charged" Nod-Krai

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yeh she works just like everybody else but not great anymore

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That's why I wanted Lauma and Nefer cuz apparently they make Nilou teams even more crazy

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even Arle is fallen off already

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yeh these 2 are busted

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I mean to be fair, anyone that isn't Electro-Charged focus is falling off due to Nod-Krai wanting that particular reaction for everything

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not sure if dis correct or not but apaprently Nefer+Lauma+Aino is better then Skirk BiS team

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Arle still melts literally everything for me outside of Nod-Krai, while inside Nod-Krai Clorinde with Ororon support is melting shit even faster than Arle

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its not the electro charged forcus its the MoonScion bonus and Lunar

the electro charge DMG is decent... but those Lunar Buff came in pretty much Nod krai character hitting enemy twice with thier Atk

just like Lunar bloom

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I dunno I don't have any moon shit bonuses or lunar reaction characters but I'm tearing stuff apart with pretty much all my Electro and Hydro characters so long as I have Ororon in the team. Even Ayato and Lisa are destroying stuff at the same rate Arle does outside of Nod-Krai

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i do and the diffrence is insane

and i dont own Ineffa nor Lauma

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I was laughing at how much annoying I was struggling with Aino's ascention mat boss, then I brought in Clorinde and destroyed it in like 5 seconds

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which mean i have weaken ver of Flins and Nefer

these 2 clear faster which is stupid

and they missing their BiS teammates

like wtf

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Lisa, Clorinde, Yae are just disgustingly strong in Nod-Krai if you have Ororon in the team

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just saying once u get a taste of Lunar reaction and moonscion buff, those aint dat strong anymore

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It's still so funny to me that the two Natlan characters I wanted the least ended up being the best two

Citlali is still just obscenely amazing support everywhere all the time, and Ororon turns Electro-charged into Electro-murder

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Ororon is getting sig Bow as free event weapon

Drip time

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I tried to use Aino but she just felt clunky and my damaged just seemed to actually suffer

I have better results with Furina/Kokomi/Xingqiu

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cuz u need more nod krai chaarcter

Aino didnt have any Lunar reaction

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I thought Aino allows for triggering Lunar-charged?

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nope

i yap about these at the very moment 6.0 dropped

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So she's pointless then? Kachina at least could trigger Nightsoul, Lynette ousia

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no its the oppesite actually

every single Nod Krai DPS want Aino

cuz of nodkrai teammates buff, moonscion buff

Flins+aino is better then Flins+Furina

which is saying something

next update they gonna release the Witch Buff

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So like I said, she's pointless. Unless you have other Nod-Krai characters.

Kachina and Lynette at least brought their region's unique mechanic on their own

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hexenzirkel buff which works the same way as NodKrai moonscion buff

Klee, albedo, Mona get extra buff if their team have more then 1 hexenzirkel releated members

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Yeh that buff that will require doing sidequests to unlock it for Sucrose, Fischl, Klee, Razor and Albedo iirc?

Oh yeah Mona too

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idk how to unlocked it, but the buff is coming

their con also got rework

Klee C2 now better then Mavuika C0R0 which is good

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They all work amazing already tho without that buff or a character needing it. Aino seems, like completely just, bad to use outside of that Nod-Krai character thing

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here i disagree, Mona and Klee is very very bad for long

they needed these buff

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Mona is good if you don't have a better buffer of her particular role

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Albedo is somewhat decent if u didnt have Chiori

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Him too yeah. Mona and Albedo both directly, full-on powercrept

IIRC Mona's powercreep character was Furina

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here the fun part... Klee RAW overall DMG with upcoming buff.. is higher then Arlechino

dosent mean she's better

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That's interesting. Unfortunately I don't have Klee, or Albedo for that matter. And prolly never will

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cuz Klee aint gonna trigger vape like Arle did

just overall Raw DMG is higher

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Tho I do think it's important to remember that numbers don't mean much in a vacuum; don't forget C6 Lisa has some of the highest multipliers in the entire game

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iyup Amber have it as well i think

was it burst?

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Tho tbh, with her I actually feel it, she went from struggling pre-C6, to keeping up with Yae and even non-C2 Raiden in terms of damage

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raw numbers dosent really say anything cuz Genshin rely alot on elemental reaction and alot more culculation

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Lisa skill and burst both are disgusting now with her at C6

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https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-maybe-someday-someday-winter-in-vail-gif-19766864

i think my lisa still C1? C2?

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I think the issue with Lisa is mostly comfort; she's really tricky to play as an onfielder, while Yae and Raiden are comfy pick up and play like Carlotta/Cartethyia

But it is funny how Lisa goes from being low tier, to outperforming Fischl

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i mean i enjoyed using her as Main DPS when i lvling up her friendship back then

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Her C6 does add some comfort cuz you don't gotta waste time tagging enemies repeatedly with her tap E

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as main DPS u mean?

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Yeh

Fischl is still top Electro sub-dps I believe

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yeh she is

Ororon just better in Electro charge team cuz he give ER to everyone and his arfifacts buff

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Yeh was about to say I think Ororon beats her just for that reaction

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overall flexibality Fischl

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I personaly prefer Raiden tho for electro sub-dps

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Raiden offer Free Burst regen

it can be better in some situation

non Fav Yelan would love Raiden

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My current dilemma is whether or not to go for Durin or hold for Pulonia/Varka/Alice/Nicole

Also kinda wanting to grab Columbina since she's effectively the Archon of Nod-Krai

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rumor culculation said Durin DPS is higher then mavuika (c6 bannet for pyro basic) idk how to feel about dat

i dont want him either

but these rumored bothered me

cuz if dat teh case its gonna be Pyro check with hexenzirkel character strict mode

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From what I understand Durin is still the same adorkable kid friend as he was in mini dragon form and that's my main reason for wanting to pull for him(the same reason I would like to someday own Klee)

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i dont like he sound of dat after wats happening rn with everything required moonscion and Lunar reaction

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Yeh Genshin has really been putting me off lately with how cash-grabby they suddenly feel compared to before

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we're the oppesite then... him being playable really turn me off

they turn durin into smol drago already turn me off already

Im literally waiting for Durin final battle with Albedo and venti ti settle the score and finally put Durin to rest

cuz the build up since dragonspine quest

it could be such an awesome weekly boss

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I do wonder tho, with a bunch of Mondstadt characters getting kit upgrades for the upcoming buff, maybe Bennett getting a kit upgrade to add Nightsoul may not be as off the table as we thought?

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nahh they aware bannet is overuse they wont buff him at all

if u notice genshin is designing all new character to not work with bannet

either tru kit, tru scaling, or tru denying his circle

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That's only because thus far we've only had Nod-Krai characters that want reactions that don't utilize Pyro

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i would go as far as saying Bannet is Genshin Biggest mistake and they cant never fix ever

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I expect Bennett will be wanted once we get a Nod-Krai character that utilizes a Pyro reaction

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Skirk

Neuvilatte

Clorinde

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Those aren't Nod-Krai characters

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even Kinich

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i mean all new chaarcter since

Mavuika somehow works with Banner

everyone else seem like purposedly design to not work with bannet

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Yeh but they were few and far between in the past. Meanwhile we are now four patches in a row of new characters that don't work well with Bennett

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he buff atk, Nod krai character scale tru EM

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So far at least. We don't know that they won't change that later

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dats why Furina are worst then Aino on Nod krai charcters

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Future characters may scale to ATK, and we also gotta factor in all the non-Nod-Krai characters like Varka, Hexenzirkel, Fatui

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dosent seem so cuz region always tied to their craftable weapon

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Furina buffs damage tho not ATK specifically

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like all fontaine play with HP

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yeh which is worst cuz they dont do DMG they do stright up reaction

they also moving away from Furina

feel like its on purpose

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Oh does her burst's damage buff not apply to the Lunar reactions?

That seems weird

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Columbina kit rumored to be buffing all Nod Krai Unit to the roof

Aino replacment

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she buff DMG delt not reaction DMG

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Yeh that's really confusing you know

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dats why EM scaling character like Allhaitam dont really use furina they use Xingqiu instead

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I thought they used Xingqiu cuz he's technically a better Hydro applicator than Furina?

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dat too yes

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Tho I never seem to have an issue with her applying Hydro, mostly just an issue with her KILLING EVERYTHING too fast for her application to matter

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any EM scaling DPS dosent want Furina

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It is interesting tho that we suddenly getting so many back to back EM scalers again after two regions of almost none

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told chu they doing it on purpose to push out bannet and Furina

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Eh I dunno if it's that for the reasoning

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they trying to selll us new EM buffer

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Sumeru pushed EM scalers because of how much Dendro relied on reaction damage. Fontaine switched to HP cuz it was something fresh and new. Natlan then just went ham on the region gimmick mechanic and threw in a few DEF scalers for variety.

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Furina value has been dropping cuz more and more character dont want her buff anymore, they aware Furina was once best Support for everyone

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I don't think it's so much to mitigate Bennett and Furina useage as it's the same situation with Sumeru; Nod-Krai gimmick heavily works around the Lunar reactions, so it's characters will benefit more from EM

I can't remember did we get anyone during 3.x that actually did work with Bennett(or worked with Furina once she released)?

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its way too weid for it to be a coincidence and not doing it on purpose dat all new chaarcter dat came out dosent want 2 of the best Support in game

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I mean that's what happened for most of 3.x but it was because of how Dendro worked. Now Lunar is the new Dendro

Oh does that mean next region will rotate back to mostly HP scalers?

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3,x still Op with yelan and old unit

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Yelan wasn't released in 3.x

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but dis purposely pushing out both of the best support... no way they not doing it on purpose

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She was 2.7 iirc? Still 2.x tho

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I dunno, that would imply then that it was done on purpose to push out Bennett back in 3.x as well

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yes dats what i said 3.x unit works fine with Yelan which is old unit

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3.x suddenly had Bennett as not wanted that much cuz of all the EM scalers just like now with Nod-Krai

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lets be real 3.x bannet not really being utalized to maxed

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That's not what I asked tho. I asked if anyone released in 3.x worked with Bennett?

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3.x huh let see

no i dont think so

they all EM based

when hyperbloom was the king

all electro unit pretty much being push there

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Well there you go. That's what I'm saying, I don't think it's any focus on pushing out Bennett usage, it's just that the region's gimmick doesn't favor him

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NodKrai unit works with alot of old Unit from other region tho but oddly not the 2 best support in game
if dats not on purpose idk wat is

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3.x the gimmick was Dendro, which was all reaction based, so wanted EM. Nod-Krai now the gimmick is Lunar, which again is all reaction based. I don't think it's on purpose, it's just how it happens to land

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nod krai team specifically want 3 nodkrai unit 1 non nodkrai unit for its maxed buff

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I mean if Furina released before Sumeru then it'd literally be the same situation

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but not bannet or furina

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furina would still works in Hyperbloom team

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Any region with a reaction-heavy gimmick is not gonna work well with Furina or Bennett because reactions favor EM

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also Furina can still buff Sumeru DPS like Tighnari

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Sure, just like Bennett works with Burgeon. But not that well

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even Cyno

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You're better off with another Hydro for Hyperbloom

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yeh but he still work

in nodkrai team their kit literally useless

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The Lunar thing is more restrictive than Dendro but that I think is the result of making it a more restrictive gimmick like Nightsoul was.

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true but furina kit still works in the team

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Less a "push out Bennett and Furina" and more "sell these Nod-Krai characters"

Furina still works for Lunar-charged you just will also want Aino

I won't be convinced they are pushing away from Bennett until we go more than 3-4 patches in a row without him getting a rerun

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if u mean by applying hydro then yes beside dat all her kit are useless

i mean it when i said these 2 are useless with nodkrai unit

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its both to sell Columbina which is Hydro support, u gonna find a way to make her more valuable then old hydro BEST in game support

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That's because they chose a gimmick that is at least as restrictive as Nightsoul but also heavily favours a specific damage source that relies on EM. It's less targeting Furina and Bennett and more just a combination of everything making it so restrictive it accidentally pushes certain characters out more than others

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if its pushed only 1 of them i belive it

but both at the same time, nah dis on purposed

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I mean Furina already felt like she was being pushed away in Natlan, a lot of characters didn't really want her all that much

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reasoning, they can make an EM based character dat still do Raw DMG like alhaitham or Cyno

these 2 still can use Furina ^

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They still might. We're only in the .1 patch we still got a bunch more to go

I won't be surprised if we do end up getting a Nod-Krai character that can work with Furina and/or Bennett. Tho my money is on one of the non-Nod-Krai characters, either a Mondstadt/Hexen, or Fatui

In the meantime, I'm fully expecting a Bennett rerun either next patch or 6.3, if he doesn't rerun either of those then I'll actually believe they are deliberately pushing away from him. Furina tho I don't think they are pushing away from her any more than they did with Natlan.

[grave nebula]

they on purpose makes Flins.... who deal shitty ass DMG on his own, Nefer who also deal shitty ass DMG on her own, Lauma who also deal Shitty ass DMG so as Ineffa

which make both Furina buff and bannet buff ^ worthless to them

2 times smol PP DMG = 2 smol PP DMG

but wats weird is their reaction DMG is tru the roof

idk if it can be more obvious then dat

they can just make all Nod Krai character works the same like Alhaitam and Cyno

• Scale tru EM
• Decent/High personal DMG
  which is enable both Furina and Bannet, but they choose not too

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

Calumbina being full Hydro reaction and EM buff kinda make it super obvious

[grave nebula]

dis legit wat current weapon banner is basically

F he didnt survive it

[lime bear]

Right, Arleccino vs Old man Zhongli

If i didn't have Zhongli C2 I woudl have rolled for him

I don't need Arle

[grave nebula]

when i gave zero fuck about the game anymore they gave dis shit

https://tenor.com/view/dipper-pines-gravity-falls-this-is-worthless-worthless-gif-25136233

[lime bear]

Sweet Jeesus

[willow zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/navia-navia-genshin-impact-navia-genshin-genshin-genshin-navia-gif-11408224116779429883

[willow zephyr]

i want camilla now

[lime bear]

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-dancing-gif-1443585315587959565

[rugged sand]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8DsyVNp/

I'm so excited for this

[grave nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/takdes-takundes-arknights-endfield-endfield-endfield-gif-gif-15340081082537491416

it better be good on release cuz how long its been trapped in Beta

[proper gust]

OMG WHEN DID WHITE TASSEL START APPEARING ON BANNERS!?

[grave nebula]

never lol

it show how shit current banner is dat u can make do with White Tassel and black Tassel for both Zhongli and Arle

i think it still Zhongli BiS havent check in a while

White tassel for Arle is her best after any 5* stat stick

[proper gust]

Eh I wouldn't say it's shit when four of the weapons are really good

[grave nebula]

overall value is bad

[proper gust]

Arle's and Sac book are great of course, but then Dockhand's Assistant is still literally the only HP sword in the game aside from Nilou's sig, and White Tassel was a missable rng chest drop up until now and is a really good weapon

White Tassel and Dockhand's Assistant alone are enough to make this a good banner to pull for. Especially if you have Arle and/or Nilou

Personally tho I say the Sac book is NOT a great addition for this banner cuz those are a dime a dozen and most everyone already has at least one R5 anyway

[grave nebula]

nahhh having 2 good weapon for specific character dont make banner good

dats the reason why its a bad banner

[proper gust]

I mean Dockhand's is great for any sword user that needs HP stat, and White Tassel is also previously rare rng missable

Plus a chance at Arle's weapon, so that's 3 great weapons not counting sac

But yeh if you don't have any characters that can use those then it's not great

[grave nebula]

people can hate on fav all they want and got sick of it all the time...
but in the end if there 3 fav in the banner if both 5* featured are trash, its a Good Value banner

it is wat it is

it stupid i know but dats how it is

put Zhongli Sig and Kokomi Donut together, and then put 3 Fav as 4*

watch whole community glazing the fuck out of dat banner

[proper gust]

I dunno those three fav become trash once you have enough of them already. Which most people do because fav and sac weapons are the Bennett and Xiangling of weapons

[grave nebula]

never tbh

u cant never have too many fav cuz every single refinement is great

[proper gust]

White Tassel alone makes this banner not trash me me, much more than my 100th fav or sac weapon

[proper gust]

You can only ever run a max of 4 in a team so yes, you actually can have too many.

Most teams will want 2 R5 at most, and most people have that already

[grave nebula]

there nearly 100 chaarcter in genshin no such thing as too many fav

r5 every single one of them and future support literally cant go wrong with Fav

[proper gust]

I dunno this banner is a weird one in that yes it's not good for the general playerbase but it's VERY good for players with specific characters and players that want to collect all weapons.

[proper gust]

What point is there in R5ing more than four of them? You can't use more than four at a time

[grave nebula]

alot is fed up by fav but those aint going anywhere

[grave nebula]

just give all support one of their own no need to borrow

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-jake-the-dog-adventure-time-idunno-idk-gif-5265736

fav literally cant go wrong

[proper gust]

I's not a matter of being fed up, fav weapons are genuinely amazing. Like Bennett. But just like Bennett, they're obtained so frequently that eveyrone has more of them than they ever would need

[grave nebula]

i hate dat all characters wants it i dont use it, but im not jadded in the head to not admit dat Fav is insane value for everything

[grave nebula]

i use sac on Bannet cuz double E

and Fav low refinement didnt really do shit

[proper gust]

Ain't nobody has low refine Fav weapons with how often they get handed to us

Meanwhile White Tassel is easily missable due to being a 3* so that alone makes this banner very enticing for players who need it for characters or are weapon collectors

[grave nebula]

Me

[proper gust]

lol you really sitting here claiming you don't have 10 R5 Fav weapons like everyone else?

[grave nebula]

i only got few and i aint refining them

[grave nebula]

nope

i have alot of fav codex

[proper gust]

Actually I seem to get sac weapons more than fav if I'm being honest

[grave nebula]

dats about it lol

[grave nebula]

same i have 4 r2 sac

2 books 2 sword

[proper gust]

I get it tho. From a genpop standpoint this isn't a very good banner. Four out of nine weapons are shitty weapons which is very risky. If Dockhand's and White Tassel weren't featured I think it'd be a DoA banner even for Arle owners

It's kinda sad I'm hoping more for a White Tassel than Arle's sig?

[grave nebula]

tbh its can be easily fixable if they release a polearm with BA extra DMG passive

2nd stats can be Atk and it still be good for arle

[grave nebula]

Person X : "I don't have a type"
meanwhile person X fav characters :

[grave nebula]

free baby~

got custom idle animation

[grave nebula]

HELL YEH!!! 0.99$

for 1st time after 6 years of game.... newest Character, Weapon, and Pet wont be added into normal banner after this banner ended

me no like dis

done

all savings gone

[grave nebula]

wow i been told to go to bed lmao

[grave nebula]

https://vxtwitter.com/_VectorPrime/status/1988873156128362646 Legit

VectorPrime (@_VectorPrime)

Honestly,
Luna’s sfx coating is one of the best sfx coatings Kuro EVER made, AND ITS FUCKING FREE FROM JUST LOGIN???????????
#PGR

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 13, 2025, 7:34 AM

dis coating literally a premium coating cuz it have custom atk animation effect and custom idle animation

[wraith kettle]

|| so apparently Amphoreus is the prologue to the Hoyoverse or Honkaiverse as it were, every Flamechaser being a part of every story, including being the Flame-Chasers themselves ||

[willow zephyr]

worth mentioning what the spoiler is for so people know before they click it

[willow zephyr]

just met truffle

for now i'm still just useing mc cuz i like useing MC for quests

doing commissions or other mission things and mc is the only one that is leveled tho he seems stuck at level 7

and berry at lv.1 with a lv.1 weapon is doing the highest dmg per hit

i got truffle

she reminds me of phoebe

just realised camelia isn't among the chars i can get

https://tenor.com/view/meme-pout-angry-anime-gif-14001303

gimme

only have 3 weapons but i'm liking the spear the most

speed is nice

[willow zephyr]

got to try psyche and i want her even more now

also meet outsider

at first i thought he was an ass but he wasn't and i really like him

is it secret letter i use to get chars?

[lime bear]

||Reminder that Herta said there was ANOTHER stellaron on Amphorous, nit just Stelle and "Cyren"||

[wraith kettle]

well there is the weird moment when || you talk to your other self and oddly like it's not the first time either ||

but also I only caught || that there should be 3 emanators on Amphoreus and honestly taking the loop in mind that would be Demiurge, Phianon, and Irontomb ||

[lime bear]

||It was Demiurge, Evernight and most likely The Dhalia||

I suspect ||The Dhalia is the last stellaron Herta mentioned||

[grave nebula]

https://x.com/velveeet_/status/1989111417493156255

V ♡ (@velveeet_)

She always gets the best coatings

X · Nov 13, 2025, 11:21 PM

[wraith kettle]

|| the conversation was during 'Causality' though implying to me that Herta was talking about it before your trip and that IF a place had been made by 3 Aeons it stands to reason had to have 3 Emanators as well ||

|| and also The Evernight has pretty much always been inside March I thought, they're still keeping it a mystery as to her past as such ||

|| but with the implication that it is due to in broad strokes due to Fuli (because they allow the Garden to exist) and that Fuli is the Demiurge ||

[grave nebula]

https://x.com/Stardive_EN/status/1988960725759607139

MONGIL: STAR DIVE (@Stardive_EN)

🎥 G-STAR 2025 Special Trailer Released!

To celebrate the opening of G-STAR 2025,
we’re revealing a brand-new trailer!

Check out the new Korea-inspired map “Naksan,”
along with distinctive new characters!
Watch the full trailer now!

X · Nov 13, 2025, 1:22 PM

[wraith kettle]

plus I'm pretty sure || The Dahlia is a Stoneheart ||

[grave nebula]

Korea inspired region

[lime bear]

||Yeah but also Demiurge is NOT Fuli, as implied Fuli can only be born after the universe dies, so Demiurge is only an emanator, or at best, just a seed of an Aeon||

||so technically we have Demiurge, Stelle and we don't know who or what the third Stellaron might be on Amphorous||

||Just because Destruction gazed at Phainon doesn't make him an emanator, for someone to become an Emanator, the Aeon must WANT to make them an emanator, like Acheron for example||

[grave nebula]

https://vxtwitter.com/_real_Emperor/status/1989023517828907458 when Free Coating is better quality then paid version

Emperor! (@_real_Emperor)

My honest reaction to acquiring the new FREE Luna Oblivion SFX skin in Punishing Gray Raven

Watch Full Video Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd5H2NobLI4

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 13, 2025, 5:32 PM

dat custom Outro scene just cool as hell

[wraith kettle]

|| Though at the end of the day IF the Demiurge IS Fuli then even though we won then both Fuli and Nanook will still have gotten what they wanted, Fuli got to spread to the cosmos via the Coreflames either becoming the part of stars or the stars themselves, and the Xianzhou will be stupid enough to use golden blood for its life extending abilites thereby forsaking Lan and becoming tools of Nannok ||

[lime bear]

Possibly yes, depends on what they do with it. "It's complicated" XD

[wraith kettle]

though at the end of the day they have to have something similar in them already I mean they turn golden when they've lived too long

[grave nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hnMCGAmm4

[grave nebula]

https://youtu.be/pr_pzCkGZKw

[grave nebula]

true pain has arrive

getting bombarded by QOL as always... QOL dat leaks barely anything

[grave nebula]

so.. Zenless new stunner Unit... If u stun Enemy as her... next teammates enter with Ults
as they showing is Livestream rn...
u stun as her > Swap to Yixuan (she enter with Ult automatically) > Change to her and stun again > swap to Yixuan (enter with Ult AGAIN) and Yixuan still have her Ult energy full

2 free Ult + 1 normal Ult

wat kind of Bullshit is dis... 🙂

great game once again being ruined by Greedy Retards

i just relized Hoyo do a full streak for all 3 games... they really want dat GreedyScumbag tittle

• HSR - Cyrene (only works with Amphorious characters and all of them rerun right now) and her overcharge bow skin
• Genshin - MW dat have nothing but Outfit Cash grab
• ZZZ - Character dat Give 2 free Ult with zero restriction and not use said Character energy

wow

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/WW_JP_Official/status/1989301032665378956?t=ZVRlhJB_YUj9h_l2sTX_cg&s=19

鳴潮 (Wuthering Waves) 公式 (@WW_JP_Official)

『鳴潮』Ver2.8PV丨琥珀の都へ

あの塔がどれほど鉄壁を成していようと、必ず道を切り開きます。

YouTube▼
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『鳴潮』Ver2.8「琥珀の都へ」が11月20日に正式リリース！

#鳴潮
#鳴潮2ꓸ8

X · Nov 14, 2025, 11:55 AM

OMG

@grave nebula @junior arch @willow zephyr

WAKE UP

https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1989306856674935228?t=5o1usbSMwYFcQ5xJSpPK-g&s=19

Wuthering Waves (@Wuthering_Waves)

Wuthering Waves Version 2.8 Official Trailer | To the City Set in Amber

I don't care how impenetrable the Tower is, I'll cut a way right into it.

Wuthering Waves Version 2.8 "To the City Set in Amber" is set to launch on November 20th (UTC+8)!
#WutheringWaves

X · Nov 14, 2025, 12:18 PM

[junior arch]

I wake up late and did not get a chance to watch it yet, about to start the livestream

Literally woke up and had time to put my shoes on before I had to leave

[rugged sand]

I love that shorekeeper comes back yet again

[junior arch]

The new area looks beautiful

[rugged sand]

It's a ||sonoro|| thou

[junior arch]

Booo, still looks nice though

Oh, 2 msq ate start of 2.8

Chisa's model looks so beautiful

I want capybara cake now

[rugged sand]

No

My cake

[junior arch]

My cake

[rugged sand]

Btwv

Codes

[junior arch]

Yay 300 morr astrite for chusa

[rugged sand]

Chusa?

Tf is a chusa?

[junior arch]

Lol, chisa

Chisa has a cute kitty

[junior arch]

Wow, buling has the animations like she is a full 5 star lol

Not a fan of the color palette for zani skin

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/Naruvt0/status/1989319056118432197?t=p43a5UifHNk-ysM51-bLoQ&s=19

Naru (@Naruvt0)

PSA: New Updated Negative Statuses

Havoc Bane:
Some Havoc attacks will apply a stackable Havoc Bane effect to the target.

While Havoc Bane lasts, the DEF of the inflicted target is reduced. Havoc Bane stacks up to 3 times by default, with each stack reducing the target's DEF by

X · Nov 14, 2025, 1:06 PM

[rugged sand]

Not a fan of zani

Ha

[junior arch]

I like her character, just never inspired to use her for combat

[junior arch]

If that is the order of them releasing them, then I guess we get fusion rover next

Over all, patch looks pretty good, new patch event seems like it will be fun and we get to participate in actually combat. But I am guessing the dev team was probably focusing on events for 3.0

[lime bear]

So I can spam Miyabi XD

You said something about a counter? this is counter counter XDDDDDD

[grave nebula]

i been up i watched the special live stream.. ur late

[grave nebula]

yes u can but it be useless cuz all enemies since 2.0 and upcoming patch all has high Ice RES

[rugged sand]

[grave nebula]

main issue rn is dat character give 2 free Ult to everyone just by entering after stunning... dats the biggest powercreept ever

anyway enough about dat....

Zenless Story.... 9.9/10

LOVE IT someone need to grab dis writer into genshin and HSR as well please, not long not short great pase well told no yaps

[lime bear]

Do you know the Diablo 2 rule about elemental resistances?

If it resists [insert element] you just need more [same element]

[grave nebula]

WuWa closer/Final battle is hype as hell and very good story telling and everything, but dis time imma gave it to Zenless.

Zenless in my Fav story plot wise rn

[lime bear]

the diablo 2 meme was that if enemy is not immune to damage type, it's not resistant, it just has more HP against that damage type so the players exploited it by overstacking elemental damage against enemies that were for example cold resist, and eventually you go over the stack threshold, causing overflow which means you can now kill cold resist enemy with cold damage because the game stopped recognzing the damage type

I don't know if that's doable in ZZZ because I never tried but it'spossible to kill pyro slimes with pyro damage

in genshin

[grave nebula]

Shit i been wanting to see

everyone is hostile nobody stright up friendly like cartoon comedy

[lime bear]

PGR?

or WuWa?

[grave nebula]

for wat

[lime bear]

^

those pics

[grave nebula]

Zenless

shit i been wanting for long time

enough of "meet new character - get to know them - friendly - work together - best friend/waifu"

dats not realistic

gotta have some trust issue here and there betrayal and shit, those ar gud shit

building up trust first, which is wat Zenless been doing... since main plot of Zenless MC we are "criminal" and all faction we worked with have to pause a bit to even trust us.

if Hoyo not allergic to Outfits and be like other Gacha game when new character release comes with new skin

easiest

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-swipe-gif-10863986

[lime bear]

Give Natasha a Pink Nurse outfit

[grave nebula]

AMEN

[lime bear]

I would actually buy it to be fair

that woman carried my fat ass until mid Penacony when I was able to get Lingua

[grave nebula]

i know alot said releasing new character along with thier skin is predentary and such cash grab...
like bruhh u playing Gacha game yet u said a direct purchase outfits is predetory

[lime bear]

I think cosmetics are fine in F2P games

my Shen He is happy with her new dress

[grave nebula]

outfits is fine in all game as long there fixed price tag on it

[grave nebula]

Shenhe debut banner would sell 300% more if her banner drop at the same time dat outfit drop in shop

just saying

all those apply to all characters not just her

[lime bear]

https://tenor.com/view/shenhe-skin-lantern-rite-shenhe-skin-skin-demo-gif-16786715400689266175

❤️

Ganyu looks great too, but Shen He is kinda much more lovely

I love using Ganyu against ful lelectro enemies

because she's a fucking troll

[junior arch]

Kuro, peaz can we has the fun stuff too?

[grave nebula]

its always dat side getting collab like dis

im so close yet i cant even access it

oh ma lord

[junior arch]

[lime bear]

So how tall is Chisa? is she talelr than Saba?

[junior arch]

Chisa is maybe female rover high from what I can tell

[proper gust]

Okay the banners are really strange, Phrolova and Cantarella literally just had banners 3 patches ago, and this will make Cantarella's second rerun. Meanwhile Jiyan, Yinlin and Xiangli Yao haven't seen a rerun at all the entirely of 2.x aside from the special anniversary banner

[rugged sand]

its just my opinon but y rerun char no one is really gonna pull on

[proper gust]

That's prolly why they stuck Buling in those banners

[rugged sand]

i have yinlin and jiyan and ik others who also have them and we dont even touch them

[proper gust]

Most everyone that wanted Cantarella has her from her debut or her recent rerun.

[proper gust]

I know Jiyan is 100% powercrept but isn't Xiangli Yao still relevant? I know we have Augusta now but she's very different from him in terms of team

[rugged sand]

he was a speacial char

we aint getting a rerun of him

wasent he part of a event

i played when he was out and i didnt even do it

[proper gust]

I wasn't playing when he was released so I didn't get the free event copy

But he got a rerun in 1.4 so they clearly do reruns of him

And besides, reruns are necessary for people wanting extra copies

Him and Yinlin both haven't rerun since 1.4 aside from the special anniversary banner

[grave nebula]

Xiangli Yao still a limited character just so many dumb people with mindset of "he's free character so i wont pull him"

he aint free no more

[rugged sand]

?? he was a male which is y i didnt do it

[proper gust]

Only his S0 was free, and only for people who played at the time. If you wanted more copies for his S1-6 you had to pull on the banner.

[grave nebula]

he will get his rerun like everyone else

[grave nebula]

one of the most fun to play with

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-jake-the-dog-adventure-time-idunno-idk-gif-5265736

[rugged sand]

even if he does rerun iaint pulling i got agusta

[proper gust]

I just am curious why we are getting Cantarella and Phrolova again so soon when there are three characters that haven't had a proper regular rerun banner since 1.x

[grave nebula]

pushing for dat echo team rn

[rugged sand]

if he in anyway buffs her better then luno and SK maybe

[proper gust]

Cantarella isn't echo-related kit tho?

[grave nebula]

for people who skipped Galbrena but pulled Qiuyuan

now can grab both Phrolova & Cantarella

[proper gust]

Dont' get me wrong I love me some jellyfish cameltoe queen, but it's weird how she's had more reruns more frequently than any other character

[rugged sand]

i think its cuz havoc main coming out so lets rerun her best teams??

[grave nebula]

as a person who altmost lost on her rerun (lost on debut of course), cantarella having a rerun is not suprising

[proper gust]

Yeh that was my guess. Chisa being Havoc but also apparently working with Spectro Frazzle means that they had to run Havoc+Phoebe

I just think that if that's the case, they shoulda ran Camellya instead of Cantarella cuz she's had longer since her last proper banner rerun

[rugged sand]

i have not seen anything about her kit yet

but so far its gonna be for me chisa/phro/cantarella

[proper gust]

Apparently Chisa is Havoc Bane but her kit has a similar thing to Havoc Rover where it has extra to work with every other elemental status effect

[grave nebula]

also recently since Phrolova climbed up to T0 in every mode with release of Qiuyuan... its not coincidence they rerunning both Phrolova and Cantarella together

[proper gust]

I don't really need or particularly want Phrolova but I'mma need to pull her banner cuz I want Buling

[grave nebula]

here the part when it less about u its more about everyone else

i dont get phrolova on main account not planning to get her anyway... but just like u i have to pull on dat banner for Buling

feels like Cantarella was last minute adds on for Rerun main rerun most likely Phrolova there

they just slap cantarella there cuz its her best pair so people pull more

[rugged sand]

im happy Phoebe is back i never got her

but i wanted her since her since her banner ran out

[grave nebula]

i got her accidently lol

[rugged sand]

she a main dps??

[grave nebula]

she can be both

[rugged sand]

whats her team??

[grave nebula]

Tap E = DPS
Hold E = frazzle support

[grave nebula]

do u want her best team or team she's the carry

cuz Phoebe BiS team is she a support

for Zani

one of the heaviest hitter team in game imo

[rugged sand]

i guess i would want her as dps

i dont care for zani

[grave nebula]

smh very un-based of u

[rugged sand]

[grave nebula]

anyway DPS pheobe might works with Iuno since she buff Heavy atk

[rugged sand]

she just didnt do it for me

[rugged sand]

luno alrdy in my agusta team

[grave nebula]

SK is a must as always

2nd amplifier can be Iuno, Mortefi, Ciaconna, Spectro Rover can as well

[proper gust]

Yeh I wish Cantarella was running with Chisa instead of Phrolova cuz I still don't have Phoebe and always have wanted her but Chisa is prolly the better pull since I don't have Ciaccona

[grave nebula]

DPS Pheobe is aite

i dont see anyone updates Pheobe DPS team anymore cuz her role as Zani support are so much more powerful

can we get more resonator like Pheobe? can be DPS and Support at the same time

[proper gust]

Cantarella is similar she's a beast as a DPS.

[rugged sand]

still cant use my carlota also

[proper gust]

I hear Ciaccona and apparently Iuno are also like that, hybrid support and dps?

[rugged sand]

i just cant get any good echo pulls for her

its like the game dont want me to use her

[grave nebula]

Cantarella is more support then DPS she does do DMG but her rotation so short with how her forte just ended so quick

like she was tailor made to swap right away to Phrolova to nuke cuz right as her forte ran out Phrolova Liberation timer also out

kinda like how Lupa kit was designed to swap right away after Changli do double E+Liberation to get Lupa's enhances Into move

alot didnt know Lupa have special intro atk cuz it only happen if u swap quick enough

https://youtu.be/CMSdOdmN4oQ

[rugged sand]

u never knew she had that?

i think its just her and SK

[grave nebula]

i do cuz i main changli and i pull lupa for changli

i knew day 1 she's out

just alot didnt know she has it

[rugged sand]

ah i did not read ur message

[proper gust]

I mean yes she's much more of a beast as a support but she's actually super fun and crazy good as a main dps if you learn how to play her as a main dps

Like she keeps up with my Camellya despite being "support"

[rugged sand]

i read it as "i did not know"

[proper gust]

Problem is you need her sig and a different echo set for dps Cantarella

[grave nebula]

tbf Sanhua DPS also fun dats why i dont use dat argument cuz all character can be fun as DPS

i said kit wise wat they were obviously designed for

[proper gust]

I don't really hear that argument often, just a handful of specific "support" characters I hear can be made into actual viable dps. Like apparently Aalto and Sanhua can be built for it

[grave nebula]

unlike old 1.x character 2.x character seem to be obvious they were design in certain way to fit with someone

[grave nebula]

yup Aalto DPS is pretty nuts

even tho his outro was ment to be Aero amp character

also there is Goated Jianxin main, even tho she was ment to be a Liberation amp character

[proper gust]

I feel like it's less that and more, 1.x characters can be built decent as dps but you really feel the difference that they are heavily pushed away from it if they are support. 2.x supports feel much more "hybrid dps+support" for most of them.

Really it just feels like 2.x pushes more in favour of dual main dps with one of them being slightly more support

[grave nebula]

idk about dat with cianocca was stright up support

[proper gust]

During her debut patch I had heard a lot that if you get her sig she can be built to be a pretty mean main dps

[grave nebula]

Yinlin feels like she didnt know wtf she wanna be

[proper gust]

Which also seems to be a thing with 2.x supports, apparently you need their sig for "dps mode" to work well

[grave nebula]

dats all support so let takes dat out of the equations

even SK can be DPS with her sig

[proper gust]

Oh? I had never heard that before

At most ever only heard her as sub-dps

The only supports I ever hear as being viable really good main dps are Aalto, Phoebe, Cantarella, Ciaccona and Iuno

[grave nebula]

even Qiuyuan can be a Decent DPS with sig but not dat good u have to get his S2

Iuno is not a support like she disguise herself as one

u didnt even need her sig she hit like a truck

how defuck Iuno without sig is better then Jiyan

[proper gust]

Out of those I only have personal experience with Cantarella and can confirm that S0R1 Cantarella can easily keep up with S0R1 Camellya for damage

[grave nebula]

yeh i believe dat knowing how shitty Camellya DMG rn with R1

[rugged sand]

she does nice dps

[grave nebula]

my NA cantarella didnt even have Sig she only hold perma weapon

somewhat able to keep up with Cantarella R1

[grave nebula]

exacally yet she a "support"

she too stronk for a support

[proper gust]

Oh so it's true that she's a really good main dps?

She definitely felt more like a main dps during her test trial and the bits of the main story where we had to play as her solo

[grave nebula]

she's okeyed

wont say good

[proper gust]

Well, she kinda reminded me of phoebe with her two "modes", I assumed that one was more support oriented

I mean better than Jiyan seems moe than just "okay"

[grave nebula]

if her Forte last way way longger then yeh she can be good DPS

nahh in actual situation Jiyan better then her

those short Forte timer really effecting her performance

[proper gust]

Cantarella tho feels like she definitely has a learning curve to really use her as a main dps, took a lot of practice to stop getting knocked out of swim mode

Like she's super easypeasy to use as a support, but as a dps she feels sorta complicated

Super fun tho once I got the hang of it

[grave nebula]

max u can go to hold her is u intro with her with full forte bar use forte and use liberation to refill dat forte bar and next rotation she's cooked cuz her bar is empty

as for Jiyan with forte on or off once he start his liberation dat full 15-20 sec of him tornadoing dealing DMG

[proper gust]

I'm just struggling cuz I prefer Phoebe's aesthetic over Chisa's but I keep hearing that Chisa will be really good for Carte teams that don't have Ciaccona

[grave nebula]

those short forte timer the only thing dat limit Cantarella from being a DPS

[grave nebula]

yeh she is

since she works with all negative effect

[proper gust]

I dunno built as a dps she feels like she's nearly endlessly in Forte swim mode

I spend very little time outside of her forte when I use her as a dps

[grave nebula]

idk how much better Chisa is compare to Ciaconna cuz Ciaconna offer of field negative effect apply

Chisa left the filed after Outro

so... yeh

[proper gust]

Every time my Cantarella forte runs out I just use her ult then her resonance skill and then she's back to full and can go into forte mode again. Very little time spent outside of it

[grave nebula]

Zani also works with Ciaconna if someone didnt have Pheobe cuz she applu frazzle while u swap to someone else

[grave nebula]

dis not how it works for regular Cantarella after ult her forte gone

u start from zero

[proper gust]

I dunno I'm just telling you what I personally experience playing her as dps

every time she leaves swim mode I just ult then resonance skill and boom she's back to full 5 bars ready to swim mode again

[grave nebula]

its probebely the weapon cuz it fix her biggest issue which is her forte

[proper gust]

Maybe. I dunno the logistics or why I just know that I hit two buttons and instantly she's full bars again every time.

[grave nebula]

cuz after using her forte ur bar is zero, cast Ult u get full bar after used all of them u out of ur Ult

forte back to zero

[proper gust]

Yeh she leaves swim mode when her bars run out. Then I ult and use her resonance skilla fter and somehow she's back to full bars

So I only ult with her when she's already at zero bars

[grave nebula]

its anoyying at some point sometimes if ur forte is not full, u enter swimming mode after ur forte mode ended ur cencerto bar is not full

dis really anoyys me ^

like accidently enter swimming mode while missing 1 forte bar stack

its not full

so cantarella just do her basic attack awkwardly

[proper gust]

Are you doubling up with her resonance skill in swim mode?

[grave nebula]

yeh

every time its light up i use it

[proper gust]

I use both so wasn't sure if you were

[grave nebula]

if forte bar not full aka missing one

u get to skill once

[proper gust]

Oh no, I meant how you can use the lit up version after three bars used, and then you also get the non-lit up version you can use separately

[grave nebula]

so u ended up with Concerto bar not filled

[proper gust]

I use both versions during a single swim mode rotation

From what I understand most people don't bother with the non lit up version

[grave nebula]

meanwhile im so bored rn cuz dis shit so fucking FAT

[proper gust]

I go through two full swim mode durations for her rotation, that seems to always be enough to fill her concerto letting me outro to another character

[grave nebula]

for me its depends

[junior arch]

Unless they buff older characters or give them new nightmare echo sets to improve the 1.0 character. Any rerun going forward for them will only be fore collectors. They should just added them to the standard lineup cause even jinhsi is starting to fall

[grave nebula]

Jiyan also falling which is bad

JIyan with Ciaconna btw

not with mortefi

[junior arch]

This looks really interesting, I hope they pull it off cuz seems ambitious

[proper gust]

Well from what you guys have told me, buffing kits isn't illegal only nerfing them, so I feel like they could easily fix the 1.x powercreep with minor buffs

[grave nebula]

its already running 11 month in advance in China

so global version is nearly a year late on content

[grave nebula]

also PGR does it ALL the time

every patch even buffing old units

[proper gust]

lol tho at that "anime warframe". Why tf would a monsterf*cker like me want to play a version that replaces the hot monster playables with skinny little girls?

[junior arch]

Basicly that can not nerf new characters to sell newer character, but they can make new content harder than the older can handle

[grave nebula]

iyup which is why all gacha game the way it is

[proper gust]

Oh no I mean kit-wise. Apparently buffing kits doesn't run foul of chinese law like nerfing kits does, which is why things like Lunar reactions and the new Hexen buff are able to be added to old character kits

[grave nebula]

the loopholes

[grave nebula]

like i said its a sold product u cannot change to make it worst after selling

u can improve it for free

[proper gust]

Yeh, so improving 1.x WuWa characters is as simple as slight kit buffs

[junior arch]

I am expecting havoc rover to get havoc bane synergy soon

[grave nebula]

like u buy a phone u already paid, but suddenly the phone company take ur phone and make the battery last 50% shorter

dats illegal

[proper gust]

Yeh it's weird how Havoc Rover is the only Rover element that doesn't have the elemental status involved in their kit

[junior arch]

Probably in 3.0

[grave nebula]

PGR has dis system dat called Leap skill, its extra skill dat improve skill DMG multiplier and new animation getting added...

would WuWa go with same route

👀

[proper gust]

I wonder tho if working the statuses into 1.x kits would help any? Jiyan with Aero Erosion, Camellya with Havoc Bane, Jinhsi with Spectro Frazzle?

lol "dps Zhezhi with Glacio Chafe"

[grave nebula]

yeh they can with Leap skill system

just give new leap skill dat they now can use Negative effect

[junior arch]

Maybe illegal, but my old iPhone from 2020 start lasting 10 on full charge lol

[grave nebula]

but im more so think if Jiyan ever get buff or anything like Leap Skills it be like the one we got in Train game mode

[proper gust]

I'm just NOT looking forward to Hologram FS, I already hate the regular version of that fight almost as much as Hecate

[grave nebula]

these is legal cuz u changed ur phone its not the same phone

[proper gust]

I dunno what Leap Skills are

[grave nebula]

basically just extra skill tree

like stat enhancer

[grave nebula]

anyway back to dis

if u been around and been playing the train gamemode before they removed it

Jiyan enhcances move have when he does E she can do his Tornado atk for 5 sec

also there one with when he cast his E there 5 spear came from the sky following his skill atk

[proper gust]

Train gamemode? You talking about the 1.x version of somnoire that rotated each patch and had stuff like letting you play as a Crownless?

[grave nebula]

those pretty much wat Leap Skill is in PGR like Extra moves for character

later it be permanant in their kit not locked behind gamemode

[proper gust]

I don't play PGR so that's not a helpful descriptor XD

[grave nebula]

yes

[grave nebula]

the extra moves set and animation u got dat usually not in regular charcters kit

[proper gust]

I don't think I ever played that as Jiyan

[grave nebula]

like Jiyan turn his BA into tornado mode for 5 sec after casting his E

dats not in his base kit

but WuWa can make dat a thing if they wanna buff him

also Changli unlimited flight mode

dat can be a buff

its already in the game so wat chu waiting for Kuro.... dew it

[lime bear]

I need the current dude so I can make a Male team

[proper gust]

I need Yhan and Francesco to be made playable so I can make an old man team

[lime bear]

low chance of getting him

[grave nebula]

hey never say never

[proper gust]

I'm at 25 pity and on my 50/50 so I'm also prolly not gonna get him

[grave nebula]

im at 0 pity going for chisa

50/50

gonna be fun

[lime bear]

I dread at my genshin pulls

escofier won 50/50
skirk won 50/50
Ineffa won 50/50
Lauma won 50/50

I feel it in my bones I will lose 50/50 on a character I really want

[wraith kettle]

about the recent chapter in HSR || I just realized just because the Stellaron was used as a bomb doesn't mean it doesn't still exist, its job is to fulfill a wish while it corrupts so it should still be around actually there might be one more page to the story... again god it'd really be a whole ass repeat of Penacony then||

[lime bear]

"Actually"
||When the stellaron was detonated, it was meant to kill the Titan of Origin, but instead it shattered the titan into 13 pieces, and a part of it inserted itself into Demiurge, as explained by Herta. The weird thing is, herta said, besides Stelle and Demiurge, there was another stellaron that no one detected. Herta knows how to detect them now because she scanned Stelle at the start of the game. However she never said where the stellaron is, or what it is, I think she wants teh stellaron to continue, bcause as long as it continues, Amphorous exists.||

[rugged sand]

whats everyone pull page at???

@junior arch @grave nebula @willow zephyr

[lime bear]

just managed to get to page 13

[willow zephyr]

i'll check when i jump on later

[grave nebula]

0 pity 50/50

total page idk

[wraith kettle]

honestly still having trouble finding that herta bit when did that happen? because it seems I missed it

[rugged sand]

meant total page

[rugged sand]

but nice nice

[junior arch]

my pull history

[grave nebula]

yeh idk page total

[rugged sand]

how u get that

idk how tosync my wuwa to that website

[junior arch]

https://wuwatracker.com/tracker

[grave nebula]

i'll tell ya in 7hours lol

[lime bear]

done

now the skillz

[rugged sand]

i did that

says error

[junior arch]

you use the powershell method?

[rugged sand]

yeah

[willow zephyr]

mz changed name

[lime bear]

gonna fucking cry

Polygion cores are a shit to farm

[grave nebula]

no i didnt

[willow zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-angry-ji-anime-konosuba-gif-17700250530831491460

[junior arch]

dont know what could be causing you the error, unless you did not open your in game pull history up first

[rugged sand]

i did

[junior arch]

hmmm.... i dont know then, i what getting errors with the manual upload because i could not find the file, but with powershell it was working fo rme

[rugged sand]

says im using thrid oparty but im not

i dont even mod

[grave nebula]

yeh dont mod any of these chinese gacha game

they banned u right away

[rugged sand]

hell no i aint risking muy wuwa acct

[junior arch]

i dont know but you could try the manual method

[grave nebula]

any gacha game for dat matters

[rugged sand]

how

[junior arch]

on the import tutorial screen, just push the manual toggle

[rugged sand]

still nothing

[junior arch]

is you game installed through the default pathing? maybe it does not know how to find your pull history file. the tracker requires you to pull up your pull history in game each time before you can upload it and it is probably not finding it

[rugged sand]

got it

[junior arch]

oh naisu

[junior arch]

omg that 1 on your last augusta pull, lol

it will only show your pulls made this year though from my understanding

[rugged sand]

[junior arch]

so mine does not have my pulls for yinlin or jinhsi

my full history as of this year

on 4 pity right now and have only lost 1 50/50 in my last 9 pulls, so my chisa pulls will be expensive i fear

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/KUROMETHEUS/status/1989309841815502937?t=sDjmuqL64MKgFb_GBjDBmg&s=19

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X · Nov 14, 2025, 12:30 PM

I'm so fcking getting thos

I probably even gonna go for the chisa red magic collab also

[junior arch]

they going to sell those in us?

[willow zephyr]

14 atm

i'm 69 pulls in on the banner

on 50/50 as well sadly

last char i got was iuno and wasn't lucky enough to get galbrena early >.<

so skipping cool man for chisa

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-wuwa-chisa-startorch-startorch-academy-gif-5566335254403141936

[rugged sand]

They did the other ones

[rugged sand]

My new phone just for wuwa

And any other gacha to come out

[junior arch]

you started playing wuwa on mobile?

[rugged sand]

only when I don't feel like sitting on pc

But just for dailies

Msq/boss on pc

[junior arch]

same, i do my dailies on mobile too

[rugged sand]

Oh and when I need to farm normal echos

Phone

[junior arch]

i have a 8bitdo contoller that i use for mobile

fits around by phone

[rugged sand]

Yea but phone not that good for wuwa

I mean its ok

But red magic its gonna be AWSOME

[junior arch]

it does lower the graphics by alot, but still controlls well, by i also have a hight end phone though

[rugged sand]

Galaxy s25 here

[junior arch]

nice

[rugged sand]

U?

[junior arch]

the ultra

[rugged sand]

😮

Ultra what?

24/25???

[junior arch]

att gave me 1k for my old iphone so i got the s25 ultra

[rugged sand]

Nice

[junior arch]

was going to get the non ultra, but when they said they would "buy" my old iphone 14 for 1k, i would like, might as well get the ultra

finally got where winds meet downloaded, gonna try it out

[rugged sand]

?

Oh

[junior arch]

it is a free arpg that is pretty much qiuyuan as a game

[rugged sand]

https://x.com/Wuthering_Waves/status/1989513686306988354?t=6dijOl7vPddR3Gf6X0tjQg&s=19

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X · Nov 15, 2025, 2:00 AM

[lime bear]

I really need a good gunner I can use at range for some fights

[junior arch]

If you are talking wuwa, carlotta is pretty much you only real option for long range gun user, or peebs if you just need good ranged damage. Any other gun user is short/medium ranged or mid damage

[proper gust]

If you're specifically wanting to fight entirely from a distance then you'll wanna build Chixia. She's nowhere as busted as Carlotta or Galbrena but they also want to spend a good bit of time close to the enemy

[junior arch]

There are rumors of a new spectro gun user in 3.x, but that is just rumors

[proper gust]

Oh that's interesting. Will it be another "not really long-range" gun user or will we finally get a 5* version of Chixia finally?

[junior arch]

Chixia does have high multipliers on her liberation, but overall very mid damage in general compared to any other dps and unless you are very new to the game or very desperate for a budget fusion dps, she is kinda a waste of resources to build in current wuwa

[grave nebula]

Chixia liberation build is a thing but its not worth investing into it

[lime bear]

I am considering this, after I finish Ishtar and if I get Sword Boi I will invest in her, I need a decent long range character for some fights, like that stupid mask dude

and having at least one long range character doesn't hurt

[proper gust]

Yeh she's not busted like Carlotta or Galbrena, but she's kinda still the only full long-ranged gunner we have, and at S6 she can be built well enough to even solo a lot of things.

The thing is, it's not her liberation you wanna rely on, it's her dodge counter

Chixia's a beast if you can master dodging all over the place, girl can solo things easily even at level 1 with no talents

[junior arch]

Yeah, with SM she probably still better that calcharo for boss content

[proper gust]

I mean she's nowhere near as effective as Carlotta/Galbrena, and as a Fusion main dps even Encore beats her.

She's just mega safe. If you don't have a time limit working against you then she's crazy good safe comfy pick

[proper gust]

Thunderbolt is actually slightly preferable over SM for her interestingly enough.

[junior arch]

At s6 chixia is amost competitive to s0 encore but encore kit feels better to use though lol

[proper gust]

Which is a main issue; she kinda REALLY REALLY needs S6, and Thunderbolt which is the BP weapon and so requires real money

[proper gust]

Oh definitely Encore feels better to use, but she's not nearly as safe as dodge counter spam queen

Girl can solo rank 6 holograms if you good enough with her. I'm not good enough for that but I seen clips

Speaking of Encore I need to finish building her

This week I'm finishing up with Lupa then I'll work on Verina, Encore after that

[junior arch]

I want to finish building lupa, I think she is the most fun character to play

[proper gust]

Yeh she's so fun to actually control I really need to get Changli and Brant so I can use her more

[junior arch]

I am hope the next wave of fusions can work with her since she is a general fusion buff

[junior arch]

If you want to save some resources, verina works fine at 80 as long as you hit 200-230 er

[grave nebula]

those trio made for each other

[proper gust]

Oh I meant talents, all of my 5* characters are already level 90

[junior arch]

Ahh... I stopped them them all between 4-6 except for her forte lol

I would finish them off, but I am fortunate in not needing to use her anymore

[junior arch]

On another topic, why does kuro keep releasing supports without their dps first?
Ppl said zhezhi was worst character and a dont pull, then carlotta came out and zhezhi became the top sub dps
They said cantarell was a low value must skip, then phrolova came out and made cantarella a top 2 support
Now ppl are saying chisa is roccia 2.0 and a must skip with no value without considering that she is a support releasing without her bis team lol
Please kuro release the dps first

[grave nebula]

still cant believe they gave dis shit for free

can WuWa add dis pliz, every year 100% guarantee S-rank/5* character of your choice on the banner for anniversary

and not expired after anniversary undate ended

[junior arch]

Would be nice to get a free skin for a someone with 3.0

[grave nebula]

i forgot they always give dis as well... for anniversary

6* weapon of ur choice basically any character signiature weapon

[willow zephyr]

[grave nebula]

hold up a sec... i never aware of dis one hello????

ALL Lucia can use it? excuse me?

is dis sword in loot pool?? hello? when is dis sword get added

wow today i learn dat every 6* weapon u pick as Target on weapon banner the one u can lose 80/20 also changed

other members signiature instead

so all 3 Signature i want are together if i target dis one dis is perfect, either way is win

[proper gust]

Wait people didn't want Zhezhi for Jinhsi back then?

[grave nebula]

her best set still moonlid so dats dat

[proper gust]

Oh? Everyone I've ever looked since 2.0 has put Empyrean set over Moonlit for her

[grave nebula]

cuz Yinlin exist and back then people underestimate those outro buff

just like how Genshin 1.x put bannet on C tier character

[proper gust]

Oh so people thought she was just a sidegrade for Jinhsi

[grave nebula]

pretty much

even Jiyan runner at first didnt understand why Mortefi was his best teammates and most didnt even know why they swapping from Healer first into mortefi

since majority of WuWa playerbase came from Genshin

intro outro is completly new system to alot of people

[proper gust]

Well at least for Zhezhi and Cantarella it's not an issue of "released before their dps" then. Zhezhi was just players sleeping on her, and Cantarella was a case of leakers claiming she was niche dedicated support for a future Phrolova release and everyone taking it as gospel before she even released.

Cantarella ended up being amazing for a lot of teams rather than the Phrolova-exclusive niche character that everyone assumed based on claims by anons on the internet

[grave nebula]

still say dats only apply if u have her weapon

[proper gust]

Oh no Cantarella's weapon is just if you want her as dps support or main

[grave nebula]

u better of running with Zhezhi instead of Cantarella

[proper gust]

Even without her weapon she's still pretty damn good in teams that don't use Phrolova, just as more of a full support/healer role. Without a weapon she's a sidegrade to the likes of Yinlin/Yuanwu and Verina/Baizhi, and also worked as havoc support for Camellya

[grave nebula]

she's a good unit just didnt have a spot for her b4 phrolova came out

[proper gust]

Eh, she was a good deal better than Danjin for Camellya and Havoc Rover but yeh was mostly just "sidegrade" to other supports and roughly even or minimally better

[grave nebula]

as sub DPS role she competing againts Zhezhi who deal more DMG then her and fully dedicated coordinated atk chaarcter
as a healer she competing againts all the healer who gives raw 15% DMG amp to everyone

she literaly a down grade for everything

[proper gust]

Well yeah, Zhezhi was just that good at her role

I believe she's still top for coordinated attack support?

[grave nebula]

with Phrolova she's just perfect Havoc buff echo skill to trigger Phrolova enchances atk and a healer

[grave nebula]

i think she is still

[proper gust]

Yeh, pretty sure no other coord atk character beats Zhezhi

[grave nebula]

technically Yinlin kinda strong sill but u need her weapon i guess

[junior arch]

The meta considered cantarella as pretty mid and only got respect after phrolova came out, they treated her like a c tier

[grave nebula]

Zhezhi is good with Hwanglong 4* weapon

[proper gust]

Cantarella edges out Yinlin only slightly so she's more of a sidegrade, you exchange Yinlin's comfort and near on-demand coord attacks for healing and better damage

[grave nebula]

b4 Phrolova out Cantarella were considered a waste of investment cuz her best partner gonna be out like 3-4 patch in the future

[proper gust]

She's MUCH better than Danjin tho as havoc support for Camellya and Havoc Rover, and she provides healing on top of it

[grave nebula]

so pulling her was a bad pull back then