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I think this sentence is better reversed though; if kozilek is the commander, can only have colourless cards

yep deckbuilding needs limits 
otherwise every deck uses green ramp, black and white removal and then the best cards from every colour for the commander's strategy
I no word good ok
naww the sentence structure could just have come off as colourless cards only being allowed, if your commander is colourless

interestingly enough, if a colour is expressed in the rules text of the commander then you can also include that colour in the deck
like she's a red, white and black deck
still think the convoluted rules of MTG only hurt it
this a specific format rule
so many contradicting rules and specific rulings just annoys me
because there are so many cards that are playable there has to be some kind of limit
ok but you know about all this stuff, as a newbie it just feels like shit
tbh I think it's more interesting that you only encountered this now
like we've been playing for a month or whatever
and you've made several decks and only now found out that you have a set limit of colours
Moxfield does limit the cards automatically
snek, if you wanted to make a colourless eldrazi deck that can use all colours
could do: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ced9db11-ba95-4b09-89b6-0b49ffb1fa82.jpg?1727175670
my point is mainly that its not the first time i've been doing things assuming they are logical, only to be hit with a (to me as a newcomer) illogical ruling, that you need to dig around in the fine print to know about
nah i wanted to use kozilek because i like the idea of ramp and card draw for protection
ah
hten run some graveyard recovery in the 99 for recycle
I do get the frustration, I just find it interesting
yeah not a lot of good card draw in colourless
and now you see my frustration
also im doing this build completly blind, because i wanted it to be fully mine
my eldrazi deck- I think I pretty much have all card draw things I can have in colourless
but has like 30 ramp things though

ulamog is the intended commander, but any of the titans can take his place
they all have the same colour anyway 
you mean lack there of 
wait that's not even the full deck, it's missing the 3rd emrakul I just noticed
I need to fix that

just remember that some of the the emrakuls are banned in commander XD
what does a card have to do to get banned in commander 
mostly just be really unfun to play against
like if sol ring is legal the cieling has to be so high 
the reason it's banned, is it's too easy to cheat it out and return it
effectively giving infinite extra turns super early
honestly for 15 mana this doesnt seem that bad
yeah but can cheat it out for almost nothing
ah
if you build the deck around it
yee
that, and return it to your hand for free with certain cards
and then you just have infinite turns
and it's basically impossible to deal with it because you can't counter it or target it with a coloured spell
why cant you target it?
and if you do then they just cheat it back out again on their next turn
it doesnt have hexproof
it has protection
protection from colours
from coloured spells
and in case you don't know what "annihilator" is
i am well aware
it means on attack, the defending placer has to exile that many permanents
its the reason i target every eldrazi player if i play against them 
if you want to see the ban list
it's here
the intended commander in my eldrazi deck, targets your ur dragon deck:
https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-lovxl-normal.webp?204467716
but tldr, if it's supremely unfun or op, it's banned
you now have to exile the top half of your library, giving him +1/+1 counters equal to the highest mana value you exiled
how expensive is your most expensive dragon?
ulamog has annihilater [that]

i mean losing half my deck is already bad enough 
he just counts the highest in exile, so I can even exile my own titans
and he'd end up with annihilator 13
but speaking of colours, while the different colours do have their strengths
colourless does as well

artifacts on their own are some of the most powerful cards in magic
not me already having those in my deck 
the plate protects you from all colours

the echoes of eternity came out with the most recent eldrazi set
and it's sooo overpowered
it double triggers annihilator, and ward as well
good thought but no
damage isn't a triggered ability
doule strike, first strike, death touch, flying and all those are static effects, not triggers

I forget the exact ruling, but it's like things with "if" and "when"
speaking of doubling double strike however
gives the creature it's equipped on double strike, and on attack, an extra combat to the equipped creature
there are no "basic" colorless lands right?
no
there are, but little use for them
however I will point out that the Glove is specifically the type of thing sneke said he didn't like about my Karlach deck
Wastes
oh

there are? 
ah okay, i might need to put a few wastes in my deck then, a few cards i have are like "search for basic land card"
not a lot of use for them, since you can generally just use special colourless lands that doesn't enter tapped, to get more effects
yee, my ultima deck I use basic wastes in, because of that
and since ultima doubles mana from colourless lands
like this card would be good in my deck for more counters
this is the alt
yeah it's pretty good
early game land draw, then turns into a counter
oh speaking of flip lands
helps keep you safe
@hardy cloud
this in muldrotha for infinte mana
everyone hates this right?
yes
early'ish card draw, and ways to get stuff in your grave with the discard, and the tons of mana later
it's in my stacks deck
put it in , make cannon feel his own poision 
it makes a lot of mana not infinite mana
effectively infinte mana 
the good part is it draws you cards early before flipping
oh good god
in all of my white/black decks I have a way to make actual infinite mana

yes but unlikely to happen
wonder if theres deck with him as commander that have the 99 soley to protect and help him
my slivers deck can make infinte mana if i draw this
although technically in mtg infinite is impossible because you have to specifiy a number
if you get his ultimate off, you just put your deck onto the battlefield, naturally, only after casting echoes so you get two of each

you could say I make 100 trillion mana but it's still a number and technically not infinite
funny enough, one of the best colourless spells is a one mana spell
one mana, your commander is dead

am i right in thinking if you had 20 1/1 tokens and i attack with this, you would need to block with all 20 of them? and this would kill both this creature and all the tokens?
it'd kill 10 of them
right
so if i attack with this and another creature the other one is guarenteed to hit
yep
yes
ah okay, i see the power of this now
the other thing is
because everything has to block it
you can choose to make sure you kill value creatures
like commanders
you can chose which blocks it first?
the attacker chooses the order to deal damage to blocking creatures
and what if the first creature to block it does 10 damage, then it would kill this and the others not take damage?
damage is all simultaneous
right, so i'd just choose the most powerful ones first to block, and get as any of them killed as i can
yes
biggest threat i should say not nessecerily most powerful
like if I have a 0/8 blocker and a bunch of small stuff, you can choose to kill the small stuff and leave the 0/8 alone
apparently the Rapheal deck is about perfect for not being CEDH XD
CEDH is 9-10 no? so you techincally could still push it to 8 if you want
but we dont play that high
my muldrotha and ur dragon are also at 6 , i think the slivers too
I think 6 is pretty perfect for our group 
also I find it funny that I called it better the devil you know and then the only devil is Rapheal and the rest are demons XD
im free now btw if you wanted to play a game @shell widget @hardy cloud
Just woke up from a nap gimme a min
I actually do have that as a commander, but the Hatsune Miku secret lair version
I think youtube wants me to watch mtg videos
@vast fossil @hardy cloud magic before dnd?
cant , wont be home
normie
I can sure
Change of plans , the thing I had got delayed so I can
around 3 hours b4 strim
no stream, tis monday
he emans before stream time
is it a bad idea to have 3 planeswalkers in my deck?
ah okay, was thinking about cutting one but they are all good
this is from my eldrazi deck, its been pretty fun so far, but i really need a good opening hand
@hardy cloud you were making a sliver deck, right?
this one is releasing with the new set: https://mythicspoiler.com/eoe/cards/thrumminghivepoolp.jpg 

would this make an actual good commander? consistant ramp for eldrazi, with big mana spam as win con?
since it isn't a creature, or has "can be your commander" on it
it cannot be used as a commander, but it would be a decent card in
a creature heavy deck that likes a lot of ramp 
Is this guy wrong then?
https://youtu.be/CtpOhRPUL54?t=1070
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it has to have a power and toughness on it in order for it to be your commander
I believe is the ruleing Gavin said
the guy in the video said legendary vehicles and spacecraft can be commanders
hang on, I posted the thing further up
the only vehicle I know of like that is shorikai, that has "can be your commander" on it
might bea new ruling specifically for this spacecraft thing
.
it is
basically you can have legendary vehicles and spacecraft as your commander as long as they have a P/T on them
yeah so eternity elevator cannot since it's a manarock, that cannot be turned into a creature
drn thats a shame
ah
literally first comment on the video too
there was indeed a change that lets legendary vehicles and spacecraft be your commander, granted they can be turned into a creature basically
I didn't even know of that change

but that means the other space stations can
5 mana for 3 manna tap card still good tho
I mean the set isn't even out yet XD
it's still a fine manarock in a deck that likes a lot of ramp and have a lot of creatures
can eventually put enough counters on it to tap for much more than 3 mana
I always keep a very close eye on leaks

been eyeing this one https://mythicspoiler.com/eoe/cards/ragostdeftgastronautf.jpg
oh interesting
the new card that adds win con for crazy life gain has me interested in a life based deck
could probably make infinite mana and just lightning bolt everyone
a card that was leaked alongside him: https://mythicspoiler.com/eoe/cards/weaponsmanufacturingp.jpg
is there decks with artifact token spam? because yikes if thats a thnig
and all the token doublers, and the new one
yup
looked it up, and literally the second-most played archetype is artifacts

first being tokens
yeah, it's the most fun for sure XD
but there's a lot of ways you can make infinite mana with artifacts entering/leaving so that card is just do the loop and kill everyone
the red card I linked has to be non-tokens though, to make the munition tokens
but it's clearly meant as "munitions" for that commander

I didn't know they made that change though, so in that case, I might want to make an "inspirit" deck
at least one of the loops uses non-tokens to make the loop
when a spaceship is stationed is it perma or just that turn?
so you make infinite mana
which makes infinite munitions
then you sac them all and kill everyone
it's station counters it gets put on it, so permanent
oh nice
would likely do something like artifact creatures spam or something
so they can station it, and everything gets indestructible and hexproof
for me, they're cool cards but I probably won't use them
Oh, I found another of my old physical decks so I'mma put that into Mox and use it at some point
I forget what the point of the deck was tho
omg, it's a fucking bubbling cauldron deck 
noice
@hardy cloud @shell widget cos theres no stream today wanna play a few mtg games in an hour and a half? (00:00 bst)
sure
i am down
noice
my cute little taii wakeen did it's thing the other day, made a 1 damage, 1 mana spell do 53 damage all at once
How the fuck did you get 52 mana in red white 
oh sweet summer child

was playing against two mass land decks @hardy cloud
I see 
and that was without jeska's will: https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-xRNoR-normal.webp?203533416
I mean mana geyser alone does it if you're playing against even one landfall deck 
the deck is designed to amass huge amounts of mana, and then "snipe" all opponents down in one go
"perfect shot" as the commander is called

this one is especially fun with taii wakeen, as it works as a damage multiplier
if I hit a creature for one, but my commander adds 9 for a total of 10 damage to a creature
the controller of the creature ends up taking 19 damage
this is especially fun when I use spells that hit each creature my opponents control for like 20 damage in one go

this one is even more frightening: https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-face-LGpGQ-normal.webp?206556025
if you have 10 1/1 creatures, and I hit the first for 1+9 from taii wakeen(total 10)
another creature now takes 9+9 from taii wakeen (total 18)
that I can send after the next token, and it just increases each time
due to the synergy between the cards, until I've cleared the board
and one shot someone

in the call when yalls ready
yuuuup got both of them already xD
im trying to make it slightly more vampire themed too, to fit with astarions style
which, might i add is impeccable
I think my new mill deck is a little too focused on winning..
no such thing
ah the mill your whole deck combo
then someone plays the win if you deck out creature and you just win 
maybe I cooked a little too hard
dang this is some sweet art
@vast fossil @hardy cloud we gonna mtg after Sneke finishes his deck?
can do, i need to cut 7 before i can do the first test
Sure
give us a message when you ready then sneke
can we do in 40 mins actually? ill be free at the hour
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Gimmie 5
I considered making a cleric tribal deck with this commander: https://assets.moxfield.net/cards/card-VBDlq-normal.webp?208236843
subtheme heal-spam, naturally
thats a v pretty card
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anyone down for some games before stream today?
sure
I got food in like 30 minutes so after that I'll be free
@shell widget @hardy cloud so mtg?
@shell widget @hardy cloud im free for like 1 game if you wanna squeeze one in?
gimme liek 5 minutes
sure
question about sacrificing, if i have 2 creatures with no mana value abilities that say "sacrifice a creature: get blah blah" if i sacrifice 1 creature, does it trigger both or do i have to chose 1?
no the sacruficing is a cost so once you use one of the abilities the creature is no longer there for the other one to sacrufice it
okay so i'd need to sac 2 to make both creatures trigger
unless one creatures ability says when a card is sacrificed right?
anyone willing to help me test this weird idea after stream?
just wanna see how it draws and if the hybrid-ness works at all
we doing this?
i have a game in me b4 i gotta go to bed
@vast fossil @shell widget
fine
aight 1 min
anyone free for an games before jeannies stream today?
yep
i am in the process of building a new deck
ft this guy as commander
you gonna be done today? or is this like a future thing you're building
no idea
cos im free whenever you're both ready to play
so if you want time to finish that deck thats cool
i have the average version of it ready so we can try that 
so uh
just had this combo against a scute swarm player
they gave up after I reached 100.000+ some health

@hardy cloud you down for mtg with cannon?
When?
Alright see you in 81 days 
yes
Gimme a few mins
do you three want to try playstesting some of my decks sometime?
they're yet untested, so I don't know how fast they'll be, or how they'll end up playing
ofc
- https://moxfield.com/decks/0mAG9PXxZUOocYoDVU-nXg Archelos (land's matter, maze's end win)
- https://moxfield.com/decks/d2zMSoHqG0GU8REqgZmJug Emet-Selch (self-mill, high value)
- https://moxfield.com/decks/3DxCgsBfsUCxtbSxde2J1w Jon Irenicus (bad gifts, combat)
- https://moxfield.com/decks/a2RE_xD6CkyeMY_u31_xbg Zinnia (parent and child, combat)
and
- https://moxfield.com/decks/MbDDjSGyKkG0nltBAzaEKg Bruvac (mono blue mill combo)
- https://moxfield.com/decks/9iPfw5-IMEStnRkHhDAalw Knuckles (mono red artifacts/ mass treasures)
- https://moxfield.com/decks/PhtfJXHlQ0-CRLTlFAiIsQ Minwu (mono white combat lifegain)
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yeah
@crimson steppe you wanna watch along?

okay, so I know it might not have been the ideal introduction for snek into higher power brackets
but you all must admit, "traumatize" was a fitting spell for the situation, name and all

I learned pretty much as soon as I started playing I don't like the higher brackets. I hate games that only last a few turns, takes all the fun out of it for me
Nothing against your decks ofc
is why I usually try to make control decks, or decks that force a longer battle
minwu, knuckles(that you tried), zinnia and jon irenicus are less combo'y
but can pop off hard still
I like your colourless deck a lot though
I tried making a deck with ultima as the commander
but there isn't enough things that synergizes with him

I prefer longer games, because it means more draw, which means it's less RNG whether you can respond etc. makes each game more strategic to me
Like yeah our game yesterday lasted like 2 hours but it was back and forth and was entertaining the whole time for me
Yee I really like Ultima
His blight counter is the weakest part, he's better in the 99 for his nana ability
the glove gives him extra attacks in colourless, the only card that can do that
and the other is the only way in colourless to clone a legendary creature disregarding legendary rule
yee, buyt it's his blight counter part I think is fun
if the opponent has no coloured mana, they cannot play their decks

Sure but it's very salty
exactly

who of you was it that had a lands deck?
He's just a super priority target, that's why I dunno if it's a good commander
I had a necrobloom lands deck
with an amount of "can put extra lands per turn"
and access to playing lands from your grave, "strip mine"
turns into something horrifying:
Yup with the dredge that would be insane
There's probably an infinite combo for that
not quite infinite, but in lands decks
it's not that difficult to play this effect 3-4 times per turn
as an average (could easily be more depending on game)
and if you remove 3-4 lands per turn from an opponent
well..

it's also considered one of the most salty things you can do in magic
bordering the thing they call "mass lands destruction" (mld)
I'm all on the colourless train right now, wonder if a colourless landfall deck is possible lol
Yee
It does seem like they are trying to add more for colorless tho
A lot of the new cards are colorless like that Chiltern one I played yesterday
Yee
another one I like a lot
more free stuff to enter your field, + everything you have, has ward 2 so annoying to remove

when playing with physical cards, we just spread them out and have a an opponent pick a card while they cannot see the face of the cards
could probably shuffle your grave face down, then have an opponent say like, "third from the top" or something
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud can I get help testing a deck?
sure
Fine gimme 5 mins
we got one game in
mostly because Drake insists on playing his spellslinger deck
which takes ages to do nothign 
by taking ages to do nothign 
I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining that it makes the game take ages
says the guy who literally has a stall deck 
please dont tell me you're taking snake seriously on that 
no I'm being it as spitefully as possible
Your allowed removal FFS cannon, it's mostly the counter spells I hate going against. But even then you're allowed them not stopping you..
no no, I'm being PETTY now
@shell widget @hardy cloud you guys about for some mtg before stream?
sure
not sure cannons about, not yet at least wanna do duo for now?
uhhh on the hour?
ayt then
sry, was alseep
how dare
had to take a call but anyone wanna run 1 quick game?
I can do one
noice
you up?
time for 1 game then
@hardy cloud @vast fossil some mtg later?
Can't today , still moving

yee im free from like nowish onwards
noice
let me know when you're ready to go
i gotta grab dinner real quick before i forget, ill be like 15-20mins
@hardy cloud you available today?
No , I am traveling back to cairo in an hour which takes 4 hours in of itself 
ahh, gotcha
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the most unrealistic thing is that Kyle would play mono-white
@shell widget @hardy cloud anyone for couple games of mtg before stream?
gimme 15 -20 mins
am ready
anyone free @ <t:1753905600:t> (auto converted to your local time) for some games?
thats when i should be bak from the gym
sure
Might not be home by then
But I'll see
just got home, be ready in 15 if you are both still free
coolio
@hardy cloud so you about yet?
Nope , maybe in 30-40 mins
join when you're ready then
It's gonna depend on how fast my car gets washed 
tell them to wash faster 
looking for a new commander to build around and i came across this thing , the fuck is the point of this thing
an 0/8 with no keywords , just a big dumb blocker?
it's an octopus
made this the other day, is pretty good
back when I played standard, Sai was a pet card in my deck
was blue/white artifacts
this guy seems like a start to a very annoying control deck
not sure if i am the one to build or play it
most mono-blue is kinda controlly
please tell me this means i have to be wearing a hat irl for this to work 
the amount of judge calls this would cause
what counts as a hat?
over what defines a "hat" 
I would wear one of those tiny little top hats
there are commanders that are all about toughness, and can make creatures attack with their toughness
then this card becomes a 2 mana beater
yeah i have a betor deck i know , but even then i dont think you'd run a 0/8 vanilla 
if you're in fewer colours tho then you have fewer options for creatures
i guess
i've come to realize there is alot more "value" commanders than "changes your gameplan" commanders
i aint a fan of that ngl
no idea what that is
get stuff, put it on thing, make thing big
i want stuff like my muldrotha which basically changes how to play the game entirely 
smash
make commander big
make commander unblockable
hul-- commander, smash!
nah thats boring
main issue is that there isn't much you can change about the game itself
muldrotha is one of the best value commanders
fuels your gameplan by making your grave into your hand

i meant not stuff that just gets you more cards for playing the game , stuff that basically change how you build your deck completely
again like muldrotha , ur dragon etc
you could always try artifacts or enchantments
try something with vvery few creatures
one turns your grave into another hand, the other makes dragons cheaper
by value i meant , they draw you stuff for normal actions without impacting how you play your deck
or let you look at top just for existing
etc
anything that gives you mana or increases the number of cards you have is value in mtg
i understand that ur and muldrotha make value , but they do that by changing the way you build the deck you get me? 
^
I think what you want, is nikya
honestly every tribal plays alot differently from what i've seen
like my slivers plays nothing like my dragons 
pretty much every tribal deck is just
Get a bunch of creature type.... win
yes stuff like this , this forces you to basically run only creatures 
my slivers focus on getting certain combos , while dragons feel more like a midrange deck ๐คทโโ๏ธ , i've also seen vampires which is reanimate it seems
soldiers is a token deck etc
yes but the strategy is still play a bunch of slivers or play a bunch of dragons
my minwu cleric tribal is all about heal triggers and clerics: https://moxfield.com/decks/PhtfJXHlQ0-CRLTlFAiIsQ

then attack and win
the way you get there is completely different tho
the specifics doesn't change the strategy
which is the important part 
that's not so much the creatures, that's just the colours

white is good at "go-wide" tokens
black reanimates a lot
red is goblins
both my slivers and dragons are all color decks that play totally diffrently tho 
and "gotta go fast" hasty boios that disappear at end of turn
all I'm saying is that you aren't saying what you think you are saying
within the context of mtg anyway
it's good that you feel that way, but to others, playing against them likely just feel like
you play creatures out, creature do stuff, creature hit you

most creature decks are like that
well i dont care about what others feel about my own decks 
is why I like "alternate win-cons"
as you shouldn't

like if I'm getting hit by 30 slivers or 30 dragons, doesn't matter how you got there
as long as they aint toxic at least 
you still played 30 creatures and hit me
my minwu cleric deck plays out a bunch of clerics that all heal
and everytime I heal, all my clerics get bigger
but in the end, I'm just playing creatures and making them bigger
it's why I like stuff like Roon tbh
because it's a different way of actually building the deck
gotta think about different things
"etb" themed blink deck

i guess its my yugioh brain
we dont have viable alt win cons so all decks are by nature "creature" decks but they still all feel different because of the HOW of building your board
that's the point I was trying to make
sorry if I didn't make that clear
my taii wakeen deck- all about ramping and generating huge amounts of mana
then sniping down opponents with massive snipe damage
I think my record thus far, was doing 70something damage to each opponent in a single turn
naturally a bit overkill
like see its cards like this that i am talking about , this is a puzzle to be solved 
how do you get it so big
is there a way to make that 20 a 40
mana and power doublers
this is what i would call... toxic 
the lord of pain triggers off opponent spells too
vial smasher would be a creature in it

but mine is random so it's better
another hularious one 
ok that's funny XD
what text boxes interact with one another in a stupid way 
unofficial card though
I got time for one game after stream btw if you're down
you can most defo make infinte loops with that thing 
sadge
cards like these are called "silverborder" just for some reason, this one lacks the actual border
why does moxfield have fake cards on it 

here you go
silverborder commanders
you can't use them in official games, but if your playgroup decides to allow it
they make for funny games
I did always want to do a silver bordered pod one time
also me
this is like one of those decks that makes all creatures power = its toughness right?
sounds like a plan 
either of these two
asks aizo if she can do a handstand , has to play the rest of turn upside down 
lots of things you can do, but say I ask if you're going to counter a spell and you say no, "you cannot counter now
if otherwise you say "yes", you now have to counter it
exactly
cause I love the augment mechanic
nah you have to fuck with them irl
like "can you take off your clothes rn?
, they techincally can so they have to say yes and then strip 
can I take them off? yes
will I? No
so quick game after stream? Sneke very helpfully said maybe
sure if i find something i like 
same thing 
can you make a deck in 40 minutes?
in an investigation, details matter
I know I can but can you
there is a very greedy way to play this thing which would be probably ass but i wanna build it anyways 
you been watching reacher?
been watching, more like have watched all ages ago
that was one of the precons I played when you two were just learning
yeah i know
Aizo X is gon give it to ya
it's not a good commander normally
i am thinking of playing with like only 10+ mana stuff 
because everyone sees it and goes "nope"
which will defo suck cuz afaik there is no good protection in these colors and if she dies the deck does nothing
white is literally the best at protecting a board
basically you need lightning greaves, swiftfoot boots and the other one

but even then, they kinda too slow
so maybe it can work
a whole plethora of "my board is indestructible" or "my board phases out"
oh it can it's just really tough
protection instants out the wazooo and then only giagantic creatures
you know what
amma build it 
noice
I'm not using every single one of them, but you can look at the "interaction" tag in this deck
I'm using a bunch of them
since that deck too needs to keep it's things on the board
remember that means you probably can't ever cast Kalila on the first turn possible
yep
I've been eyeing this one for a while
i am litearlly looking through the three types sorting in decending order by mana and putting the most disgusting ones in 
angel tribal with a few board blink effects to remove the finality counters
aka disgusting things like this 
so you want to stop having people who are willing to play against you 
uuhhhhhh why doesnt this have a mana cost 
doesnt matter we're cheating it out anyways
it's a meld card
meld?
you need to have two other cards out and then meet some condition
then you get that
oh
notice their keywords as well as power and toughness
matches the combined effort of bruna and gisela

if you read eldrazi lore, or avacyns lore that has part in it
you also learn of those two
it's quite a sadge story
alright after checking all the 6 or above mana demons angles and dragons i have 42 creatures in the deck 
now to do lands
angels are basically the upper guardians of the realms
highly proud of their heritage, and very powerful
emrakul's influence have gotten hold of avacyn, the angel they all believed was the second coming of "asha" the most powerful angelic leader who left the realms- through avacyn, the three sisters; sigarda, bruna and gisela, stand against avacyn, but since only sigarda have the ability to repel evil influence, bruna and gisela becomes corrupted by emrakul's twisted life transmutation, and slowly becomes "brisela" and sigarda has to fight her sisters

get in and chat while you finish
the two sisters before emrakul begins stripping their colour

the third sister, sigarda, is selesnya(white and green)
@crimson steppe you're missing out on the most horrendous gamestate we have ever achived 
2 of us decked out , i had EVERY SINGLE LAND in my deck on the board , snek had over 180 life at some point , and the funny thing is cannon could have dealt that much damage but he couldnt attack him
game took us 2 hours

it came down to literally cannon needing to bounce a card, or i win the next turn
they both had to work together to deck me out lol
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i wish there was a faster way to get the lands you want into decks 
no just to get them
cuz i know i want all the filter lands , all the scry and serveil ones and all the pay 2 ones and then all the searchers for the colors i want
but i have to look up all the lands to find those
huh how come i've never seen this b4? seems like it'd be a staple
it's new
ah
but yes, that is a good land
hmm, but until you get another permeant out it's kinda useless
if you dont have a single permanant on the board you're kinda in trouble anyways 
I mean it's not great early game
because you probably just have lands and maybe some artifact ramp
also it won't let you hit all five colours easily, it lets you get double in one colour
you need something on the field already, or it doesn't even give any mana
yes but again , you're always going to have something unless its like turn 2
after putting all the good lands in the deck i find out it has 70 lands
time to start cutting
you're making a 5 colour right?
oh so 3
white red black
the filter lands are less vital then tbh
yeah ill start cutting them down once jeannie starts e33
if you go to edhrec, go to landbase, and search for the colors you need, it sorts all the lands into categories of type
man there is alot more good lands than i thought
i need to fix up all my decks 
i am struggling to cut down from 50 lands rn 
https://moxfield.com/decks/cxa_H2Qz-kG5DariH9CVXw @crimson steppe @shell widget halp too many good lands 
get rid of the pain lands first
then the conditional lands
those two types can go
the two faced ones are probably next, you're in a lot of colours so you need lands that can tap for multiple colours all the time
i also cut the filters and the ones that tap for 2
and that puts me at 35 
now to put like 20 protection spells in 
do i need ramp
yes
maybe just the basics
cuz i dont plan on playing anything normally except kalia 
litearlly all the other creatures i plan to cheat out
sol and arcane are definites
https://moxfield.com/decks/cxa_H2Qz-kG5DariH9CVXw
behold the most greedy kaalia deck imaginable 
mmmm salty
this deck is gonna be so dumb
at least 5 turns of just doing nothing then play kaalia and pray shes is enough 
oh dw , i know this deck wont win games
oh, I should not play my sacrifice/discard deck against it
that would be very unfair
yeah.... either discard it or sac it AND I then get it
@shell widget @vast fossil wanna help me test this meme af deck? 
sure
i've not had a change to update my oloro deck tho, so itll be the same one as the other day
chance*
okay so just us two then snek?
I'll be more then down for some games tomorrow tho
@vast fossil @hardy cloud some mtg before stream?
i am down
noice
yeah probs just gonna head to bed, ill be around before stream tme tomorrow if you guys wanna play then before the bg3 stuff
what time we thinking today peeps?
im off to the gym in a bit but will be back at 9ish
normie 
I just got home from my training and taking a bath 
good, I can smell you from here
so we doing this?
seeing as jeannie starting early and im only just ready now, maybe we go after?
aight @hardy cloud @shell widget i got a couple games in me if you wanna?
yep
sure
angel tribal, lead by an elder demon

I like it
@vast fossil @hardy cloud quick game of magic post stream?
not today guys got some stuff to do tmoorrow
i can
pretty sure its banned in commander now
yeah appaently it is
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud @raven shore quick game after stream?
sure
i was gonna play some bf6 with kon, if that falls through sure
confused noises
whats confusing about it
the cards not confusing, but i'm confused
oh fek i forgot i had already agreed to play games with others
i can do tomorrow before dnd if you are both free?
you literally said it here XD
no i also fucked up agreeing to that, i was gonna play mycopunk with friends
i come home like an hour b4 dnd from my training and i use that hour to take a bath
so no can do tmr
?
Now how does one get rid of everything except this card and not lose the game on the spot 
flash speed pitiless on the enemy's end step right before your turn
sacrifice everything but barren glory, while an enemy has notion thief on their board

But how do we give them notion thief 
Also that's a 5 card combo surely we can do better 
for me, I'm interested in a deck with this thingy: https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77d61706-f9c1-4590-8057-7aa7fa199e6d.jpg?1562705300
play 6 lands, play this, next turn Armageddon
@hardy cloud @vast fossil quick gam after stream?
probs not need to reset my sleep schedule
i can
kewl
@shell widget @crimson steppe would you play this if it was real?
this is the depth us yugioh players have to go to for card draw
nah, there are better card draw spells then that
exiles 20 of my cards
makes anoher player draw 3
if you had a deck that wanted to exile your own stuff then sure
but otherwise there are just better spells then this
Saw this in a reddit post , imagine if they ever printed a card that makes your opponent declare a name and it has to be this 
Yeah but I want to force the opponent to name exactly that card so they lose cuz they can't do it 
Suddenly only legendary creatures can be played 
apparently this is real 
Now somehow clone this infinitely and no one is allowed permanents anymore
white is particularly good at "blink/flicker" effects

basically cards that says "exile, then return this card to the battlefield"
since he only gives back cards when he dies
means you can blink him a lot to get many triggers
without giving back the cards
But its funnier if you make infinite of him 
something I just thought of as well actually
on the mana screw front
my planeswalker deck only has 27 lands and basically no ramp
and I've basically never been mana screwed with it
and you get mana screwed with 40 land decks
You're simply built different
you can say "lucky bastard"
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@crimson steppe @shell widget just came back from my first ever dip into a TCG store , cardboard is expensive memes are very much real
, i considered buying a commander precon but they didnt have them and the store has a more yugioh/riftbound centered audience
@crimson steppe @shell widget just killed an entire table turn 6 because of ur dragon atraka and twinflame tyrant 
didnt even need commander damage , the ur dragon did 40 on its own 
I really wish to get the marvel cards and avatar cards.
you remember that life gain deck i had? well just played it and won against someone with this win con 
I baited out all their counter spells with board wipes, then dropped this bomb and won
after watching snek crack open some packs i tried the game out again only to get infinted at turn 5 lol
@crimson steppe i remember you talking about this thing and i wanna build it , any idea what i should be looking for? seeing cannon and snek crack open packs made me wanna try deckbuilding again
literally all you need is koma, and how do you get more koma? clones, specifically those where the copies aren't legendary
besides that, all you need is a ton of ramp to get koma out as early as you can consistently, and counterspells
clones, ramp, and counterspells
one koma alone on the board already changes the game to be completely around koma
he's one of the most toxic commanders like that, because even one is difficult to deal with
and you reach a breaking point where the enemy cannot even play the game, if you haven't won before then
because you can, on their upkeep, tab down all their lands, without going negative in the coils you create
and any creatures they might have cannot attack or use abilities either, due to that same ability- they cannot even destroy koma

(though they can bounce or exile him if you don't counterspell)
yet another commander that immediatly makes me target of the entire table
why do i like these
@crimson steppe is there a "lowkey" smimic commander , aka one that doesnt make everyone hate me instantly? 
no
blue is the single-most hated colour in magic, for obvious reasons
green's ability to produce obscene amounts of mana for no reason is the colour that best compliments it
makes it much too easy to procure 20 mana by turn 3-4 if you actually try, which just ends up in zero counterplay
as you'll not only way outmana opponents, you'll also have the mana to counterspell anything they do, while searching your
deck for your win-combo--- if you haven't just straight up found it already anyway, because guess what-- simic is also
the best colour combination at simply drawing cards
i am just a silly little guy who wants to make big combos

I like "esper" (blue, black, white) which just so happens to be the most powerful control colours
as it has access to the most powerful removal + counterspells
also why this is one of my favourite commanders- because I can literally win by just removing, counterspelling, and casting card draw spells
I'm even passively fuelled with cards for no reason, simply by the game being played
do 4 color combinations have names? i know some of the 3 combs , but i like everything but white , white's boring 
everything from 2 to 4 have their own names

so whats the name for everything except white
4 colours are rarely used though- 5 is just called "WUBRG" which is just the 5 colour initials
lol there is exactly one commander in "everything but white" , this thing , i wanna build it on principle
Two-Color Combinations (Guilds)
- Azorius: White/Blue
- Dimir: Blue/Black
- Rakdos: Black/Red
- Gruul: Red/Green
- Selesnya: Green/White
- Orzhov: White/Black
- Izzet: Blue/Red
- Golgari: Black/Green
- Boros: Red/White
- Simic: Green/Blue
Three-Color Combinations (Shards & Wedges)
- Bant: White/Blue/Green
- Esper: White/Blue/Black
- Grixis: Blue/Black/Red
- Jund: Black/Red/Green
- Naya: Red/Green/White
- Abzan: White/Black/Green
- Jeskai: Blue/Red/White
- Sultai: Black/Green/Blue
- Mardu: Red/White/Black
- Temur: Green/Blue/Red
Four-Color Combinations
- Yore-Tiller: White/Blue/Black/Red
- Glint-Eye: Blue/Black/Red/Green
- Dune-Brood: Black/Red/Green/White
- Ink-Treader: Red/Green/White/Blue
- Witch-Maw: Green/White/Blue/Black
5-Colour and Colourless
- WUBRG
- C
so its glint-eye
peepos generally don't use 4 colour names though, as few bother to remember the names for them

i just called the deck "fuck white" 
most will just say like, "I'm 4 colours" and which colours they are
Witch-Maw has a notorius commander that everyone knows
legendary for "poison" theme
notice how she's blue and green- and has access to poison counters
this might be... the funniest card text i've ever seen
math in cards will never be topped after yugioh making people solve a 2 equation system on the fly
fun fact , this card saw play , and people would actually write down cheat cheets of the numbers to use 
https://moxfield.com/decks/L1Bw3EdorEqOaD5oVZMWyQ
@crimson steppe 4 cards left , amma let you choose em
@shell widget @vast fossil i wanna try this thing , wanna run a few?
i dont have like any decks prepared. im busy tomorrow but can do Sat if you want?
wedding on sat , probably wont be home rip
we'll see by then ig
would have to be next week some time
I could do tomorrow if you wanted a 1v1
poke
give me 10 mins ish?
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Im gonna be opening some packs before Jeannie's stream. but are either of you free after jeannies stream today to help me build a commander deck?
Im making one with this commander: https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/218/savra-queen-of-the-golgari
But i want to include a lot of the new life gain and pest stuff from strixhaven cos i think it will work quite well, but dont know where to start
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fyi i am also wanting to play this in person, and i've already ordered a bunch of good green and black singles
I would but I'm completely dead rn
I'm back home now so I can do stuff whenever
always barely below CEDH lol
Btw aiz we were talking about doing draft or sealed , wanna try that sometimes?
๐ always open if you change your mind
I don't think this website knows how percentages work , what does it mean to have over 100% chance to play on curve lol
My Koma deck is also at a 6
"on curve" means a 4 mana card comes out on turn 4
I know
higher % means that much higher chance to play them earlier
It's the over 100% part that doesn't math aiz lol
Unless it's counting the chance of you playing earlier than curve as extra ig
naww it makes perfect sense- 126% over curve means a card comes out 26% faster than baseline expected

statistically that is
Yeah ig anyways shower time bye








