#MTG commander play group

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shell widget
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it makes the deckbuilding way more interesting

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imo

crimson steppe
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I think this sentence is better reversed though; if kozilek is the commander, can only have colourless cards

hardy cloud
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otherwise every deck uses green ramp, black and white removal and then the best cards from every colour for the commander's strategy

crimson steppe
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interestingly enough, if a colour is expressed in the rules text of the commander then you can also include that colour in the deck

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like she's a red, white and black deck

vast fossil
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still think the convoluted rules of MTG only hurt it

shell widget
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this a specific format rule

vast fossil
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so many contradicting rules and specific rulings just annoys me

shell widget
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because there are so many cards that are playable there has to be some kind of limit

vast fossil
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ok but you know about all this stuff, as a newbie it just feels like shit

shell widget
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tbh I think it's more interesting that you only encountered this now

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like we've been playing for a month or whatever

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and you've made several decks and only now found out that you have a set limit of colours

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Moxfield does limit the cards automatically

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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my point is mainly that its not the first time i've been doing things assuming they are logical, only to be hit with a (to me as a newcomer) illogical ruling, that you need to dig around in the fine print to know about

vast fossil
crimson steppe
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ah

vast fossil
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hten run some graveyard recovery in the 99 for recycle

shell widget
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I do get the frustration, I just find it interesting

crimson steppe
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yeah not a lot of good card draw in colourless

vast fossil
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and now you see my frustration

crimson steppe
shell widget
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alhammerat's archive

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goated card

vast fossil
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also im doing this build completly blind, because i wanted it to be fully mine

crimson steppe
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my eldrazi deck- I think I pretty much have all card draw things I can have in colourless

shell widget
crimson steppe
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but has like 30 ramp things though

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ulamog is the intended commander, but any of the titans can take his place

shell widget
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they all have the same colour anyway KEKW

hardy cloud
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you mean lack there of potastLOL

crimson steppe
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wait that's not even the full deck, it's missing the 3rd emrakul I just noticed

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I need to fix that

shell widget
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just remember that some of the the emrakuls are banned in commander XD

crimson steppe
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yee the 1st one

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aeon's torn

shell widget
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can't say I blame them tbh

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it's busted af

hardy cloud
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what does a card have to do to get banned in commander potastLOL

shell widget
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mostly just be really unfun to play against

hardy cloud
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like if sol ring is legal the cieling has to be so high potastLOL

crimson steppe
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the reason it's banned, is it's too easy to cheat it out and return it
effectively giving infinite extra turns super early

shell widget
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there is actually talk of banning sol ring

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or was

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idk if it's still going

hardy cloud
shell widget
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yeah but can cheat it out for almost nothing

hardy cloud
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ah

shell widget
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if you build the deck around it

crimson steppe
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yee

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that, and return it to your hand for free with certain cards

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and then you just have infinite turns

shell widget
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and it's basically impossible to deal with it because you can't counter it or target it with a coloured spell

hardy cloud
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why cant you target it?

shell widget
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and if you do then they just cheat it back out again on their next turn

hardy cloud
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it doesnt have hexproof

shell widget
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it has protection

crimson steppe
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from coloured spells

hardy cloud
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ah

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i am blind potastDerp

crimson steppe
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and in case you don't know what "annihilator" is

hardy cloud
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i am well aware

crimson steppe
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it means on attack, the defending placer has to exile that many permanents

hardy cloud
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its the reason i target every eldrazi player if i play against them potastLOL

shell widget
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if you want to see the ban list

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it's here

shell widget
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but tldr, if it's supremely unfun or op, it's banned

crimson steppe
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you now have to exile the top half of your library, giving him +1/+1 counters equal to the highest mana value you exiled

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how expensive is your most expensive dragon?

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ulamog has annihilater [that]

hardy cloud
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i mean losing half my deck is already bad enough potastLOL

crimson steppe
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he just counts the highest in exile, so I can even exile my own titans
and he'd end up with annihilator 13

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but speaking of colours, while the different colours do have their strengths

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colourless does as well

hardy cloud
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yeah colorless has some scary af ramp

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like some of the lands tap for 4 and shit potastLOL

shell widget
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artifacts on their own are some of the most powerful cards in magic

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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not me already having those in my deck potastLOL

crimson steppe
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the plate protects you from all colours

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the echoes of eternity came out with the most recent eldrazi set

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and it's sooo overpowered

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it double triggers annihilator, and ward as well

vast fossil
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would it double trigger equipment like this?

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for quadruple srtike?

crimson steppe
shell widget
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ngl I love my Rapheal deck

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just play big demons and smash

shell widget
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damage isn't a triggered ability

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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okay

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that does make sense

crimson steppe
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I forget the exact ruling, but it's like things with "if" and "when"

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speaking of doubling double strike however

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crimson steppe
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gives the creature it's equipped on double strike, and on attack, an extra combat to the equipped creature

hardy cloud
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have this on the board too potastDerp

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one shot your opponent with a 5/1 KEKW

vast fossil
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there are no "basic" colorless lands right?

hardy cloud
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no

crimson steppe
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however I will point out that the Glove is specifically the type of thing sneke said he didn't like about my Karlach deck

crimson steppe
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"wastes" I think?

shell widget
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Wastes

hardy cloud
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oh

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hardy cloud
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there are? potastOmegasp

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vast fossil
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ah okay, i might need to put a few wastes in my deck then, a few cards i have are like "search for basic land card"

crimson steppe
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not a lot of use for them, since you can generally just use special colourless lands that doesn't enter tapped, to get more effects

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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like this card would be good in my deck for more counters

vast fossil
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this is the alt

shell widget
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yeah it's pretty good

vast fossil
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early game land draw, then turns into a counter

crimson steppe
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oh speaking of flip lands

shell widget
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helps keep you safe

crimson steppe
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@hardy cloud

hardy cloud
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KEKW this in muldrotha for infinte mana

vast fossil
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everyone hates this right?

shell widget
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yes

crimson steppe
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early'ish card draw, and ways to get stuff in your grave with the discard, and the tons of mana later

shell widget
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it's in my stacks deck

hardy cloud
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put it in , make cannon feel his own poision potastLOL

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hardy cloud
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effectively infinte mana potastLOL

crimson steppe
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the good part is it draws you cards early before flipping

vast fossil
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oh good god

shell widget
crimson steppe
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yes but unlikely to happen

vast fossil
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wonder if theres deck with him as commander that have the 99 soley to protect and help him

hardy cloud
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although technically in mtg infinite is impossible because you have to specifiy a number

crimson steppe
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you could say I make 100 trillion mana but it's still a number and technically not infinite

crimson steppe
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funny enough, one of the best colourless spells is a one mana spell

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one mana, your commander is dead

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vast fossil
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am i right in thinking if you had 20 1/1 tokens and i attack with this, you would need to block with all 20 of them? and this would kill both this creature and all the tokens?

hardy cloud
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it'd kill 10 of them

shell widget
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it would only kill 10 of the tokens

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but yes they would all have to block it

vast fossil
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right

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so if i attack with this and another creature the other one is guarenteed to hit

hardy cloud
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yep

shell widget
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yes

vast fossil
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ah okay, i see the power of this now

shell widget
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the other thing is

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because everything has to block it

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you can choose to make sure you kill value creatures

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like commanders

vast fossil
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you can chose which blocks it first?

shell widget
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the attacker chooses the order to deal damage to blocking creatures

vast fossil
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and what if the first creature to block it does 10 damage, then it would kill this and the others not take damage?

shell widget
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damage is all simultaneous

vast fossil
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right, so i'd just choose the most powerful ones first to block, and get as any of them killed as i can

shell widget
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yes

vast fossil
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biggest threat i should say not nessecerily most powerful

shell widget
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like if I have a 0/8 blocker and a bunch of small stuff, you can choose to kill the small stuff and leave the 0/8 alone

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apparently the Rapheal deck is about perfect for not being CEDH XD

hardy cloud
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CEDH is 9-10 no? so you techincally could still push it to 8 if you want potastDerp but we dont play that high

shell widget
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oh yeah

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well it's perfectly positioned to not be too op

hardy cloud
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my muldrotha and ur dragon are also at 6 , i think the slivers too

shell widget
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I think 6 is pretty perfect for our group NODDERS

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also I find it funny that I called it better the devil you know and then the only devil is Rapheal and the rest are demons XD

vast fossil
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im free now btw if you wanted to play a game @shell widget @hardy cloud

hardy cloud
orchid forge
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I actually do have that as a commander, but the Hatsune Miku secret lair version

shell widget
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I think youtube wants me to watch mtg videos

shell widget
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud magic before dnd?

hardy cloud
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normie

vast fossil
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I can sure

hardy cloud
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he emans before stream time

vast fossil
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is it a bad idea to have 3 planeswalkers in my deck?

shell widget
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no

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there are whole decks built around planeswalkers

vast fossil
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ah okay, was thinking about cutting one but they are all good

vast fossil
crimson steppe
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my y'shtola deck is 2 games/2 wins so far in my playgroup

vast fossil
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this is from my eldrazi deck, its been pretty fun so far, but i really need a good opening hand

crimson steppe
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vast fossil
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would this make an actual good commander? consistant ramp for eldrazi, with big mana spam as win con?

crimson steppe
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since it isn't a creature, or has "can be your commander" on it
it cannot be used as a commander, but it would be a decent card in
a creature heavy deck that likes a lot of ramp potastLove

vast fossil
# crimson steppe since it isn't a creature, or has "can be your commander" on it it cannot be use...

Is this guy wrong then?
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I believe is the ruleing Gavin said

vast fossil
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the guy in the video said legendary vehicles and spacecraft can be commanders

crimson steppe
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I've never heard that before

shell widget
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hang on, I posted the thing further up

crimson steppe
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the only vehicle I know of like that is shorikai, that has "can be your commander" on it

vast fossil
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might bea new ruling specifically for this spacecraft thing

shell widget
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it is

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basically you can have legendary vehicles and spacecraft as your commander as long as they have a P/T on them

crimson steppe
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yeah so eternity elevator cannot since it's a manarock, that cannot be turned into a creature

vast fossil
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drn thats a shame

crimson steppe
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ah

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literally first comment on the video too

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there was indeed a change that lets legendary vehicles and spacecraft be your commander, granted they can be turned into a creature basically

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I didn't even know of that change

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but that means the other space stations can

vast fossil
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5 mana for 3 manna tap card still good tho

shell widget
crimson steppe
crimson steppe
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oh interesting

vast fossil
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the new card that adds win con for crazy life gain has me interested in a life based deck

shell widget
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could probably make infinite mana and just lightning bolt everyone

vast fossil
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is there decks with artifact token spam? because yikes if thats a thnig

crimson steppe
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oh yeah

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artifact decks is one of the most popular archetypes

vast fossil
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and all the token doublers, and the new one

crimson steppe
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yup

vast fossil
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T-5mins till thats banned xD

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im joking idk enough to say if a card is OP

shell widget
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it's pretty good

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not ban worthy tho

crimson steppe
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looked it up, and literally the second-most played archetype is artifacts

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first being tokens

shell widget
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yeah, it's the most fun for sure XD

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but there's a lot of ways you can make infinite mana with artifacts entering/leaving so that card is just do the loop and kill everyone

crimson steppe
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the red card I linked has to be non-tokens though, to make the munition tokens

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but it's clearly meant as "munitions" for that commander

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I didn't know they made that change though, so in that case, I might want to make an "inspirit" deck

shell widget
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at least one of the loops uses non-tokens to make the loop

vast fossil
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when a spaceship is stationed is it perma or just that turn?

shell widget
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so you make infinite mana

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which makes infinite munitions

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then you sac them all and kill everyone

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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oh nice

crimson steppe
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would likely do something like artifact creatures spam or something

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so they can station it, and everything gets indestructible and hexproof

shell widget
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for me, they're cool cards but I probably won't use them

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Oh, I found another of my old physical decks so I'mma put that into Mox and use it at some point

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I forget what the point of the deck was tho

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omg, it's a fucking bubbling cauldron deck KEKW

crimson steppe
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such card art

shell widget
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noice

vast fossil
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@hardy cloud @shell widget cos theres no stream today wanna play a few mtg games in an hour and a half? (00:00 bst)

shell widget
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sure

vast fossil
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noice

crimson steppe
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my cute little taii wakeen did it's thing the other day, made a 1 damage, 1 mana spell do 53 damage all at once

hardy cloud
crimson steppe
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was playing against two mass land decks @hardy cloud

hardy cloud
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I see potastDerp

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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I mean mana geyser alone does it if you're playing against even one landfall deck potastLOL

crimson steppe
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the deck is designed to amass huge amounts of mana, and then "snipe" all opponents down in one go

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"perfect shot" as the commander is called

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this one is especially fun with taii wakeen, as it works as a damage multiplier
if I hit a creature for one, but my commander adds 9 for a total of 10 damage to a creature
the controller of the creature ends up taking 19 damage

this is especially fun when I use spells that hit each creature my opponents control for like 20 damage in one go

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if you have 10 1/1 creatures, and I hit the first for 1+9 from taii wakeen(total 10)
another creature now takes 9+9 from taii wakeen (total 18)
that I can send after the next token, and it just increases each time
due to the synergy between the cards, until I've cleared the board
and one shot someone

vast fossil
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in the call when yalls ready

shell widget
crimson steppe
vast fossil
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yuuuup got both of them already xD

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im trying to make it slightly more vampire themed too, to fit with astarions style

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which, might i add is impeccable

crimson steppe
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I think my new mill deck is a little too focused on winning..

shell widget
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no such thing

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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thats disgusting potastLOL

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this + your commander is evil

hardy cloud
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ah the mill your whole deck combo

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then someone plays the win if you deck out creature and you just win potastDerp

shell widget
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maybe I cooked a little too hard

vast fossil
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dang this is some sweet art

shell widget
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud we gonna mtg after Sneke finishes his deck?

vast fossil
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can do, i need to cut 7 before i can do the first test

shell widget
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give us a message when you ready then sneke

vast fossil
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can we do in 40 mins actually? ill be free at the hour

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hardy cloud
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crimson steppe
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subtheme heal-spam, naturally

vast fossil
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thats a v pretty card

shell widget
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vast fossil
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anyone down for some games before stream today?

shell widget
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sure

shell widget
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I got food in like 30 minutes so after that I'll be free

hardy cloud
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Idk If I wanna get out of bed today ngl

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I probably should

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But...

vast fossil
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@shell widget @hardy cloud so mtg?

shell widget
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yee

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am ready

shell widget
vast fossil
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@shell widget @hardy cloud im free for like 1 game if you wanna squeeze one in?

shell widget
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gimme liek 5 minutes

hardy cloud
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sure

vast fossil
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question about sacrificing, if i have 2 creatures with no mana value abilities that say "sacrifice a creature: get blah blah" if i sacrifice 1 creature, does it trigger both or do i have to chose 1?

hardy cloud
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no the sacruficing is a cost so once you use one of the abilities the creature is no longer there for the other one to sacrufice it

vast fossil
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okay so i'd need to sac 2 to make both creatures trigger

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unless one creatures ability says when a card is sacrificed right?

hardy cloud
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yes

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because that would trigger when the other sacs it

vast fossil
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anyone willing to help me test this weird idea after stream?

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just wanna see how it draws and if the hybrid-ness works at all

hardy cloud
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we doing this?

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i have a game in me b4 i gotta go to bed

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@vast fossil @shell widget

shell widget
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fine

vast fossil
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aight 1 min

vast fossil
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anyone free for an games before jeannies stream today?

shell widget
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yep

hardy cloud
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i am in the process of building a new deck potastDerp ft this guy as commander

vast fossil
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you gonna be done today? or is this like a future thing you're building

hardy cloud
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no idea

vast fossil
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cos im free whenever you're both ready to play

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so if you want time to finish that deck thats cool

hardy cloud
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i have the average version of it ready so we can try that potastDerp

crimson steppe
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so uh

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just had this combo against a scute swarm player

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they gave up after I reached 100.000+ some health

vast fossil
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@hardy cloud you down for mtg with cannon?

shell widget
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about 3 lunar months from now kappa

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or you know, now

hardy cloud
vast fossil
hardy cloud
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Gimme a few mins

crimson steppe
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do you three want to try playstesting some of my decks sometime?
they're yet untested, so I don't know how fast they'll be, or how they'll end up playing

shell widget
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I mean...

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sure

crimson steppe
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and

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vast fossil
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aizo we gonna play your decks in the next game if you wanna watch along ๐Ÿ™‚

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vast fossil
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cannon, drake we running this game then?

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with aizo's decks

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hardy cloud
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yeah

vast fossil
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@crimson steppe you wanna watch along?

crimson steppe
crimson steppe
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okay, so I know it might not have been the ideal introduction for snek into higher power brackets
but you all must admit, "traumatize" was a fitting spell for the situation, name and all

vast fossil
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I learned pretty much as soon as I started playing I don't like the higher brackets. I hate games that only last a few turns, takes all the fun out of it for me

crimson steppe
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I'm the same

vast fossil
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Nothing against your decks ofc

crimson steppe
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is why I usually try to make control decks, or decks that force a longer battle

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minwu, knuckles(that you tried), zinnia and jon irenicus are less combo'y
but can pop off hard still

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I like your colourless deck a lot though
I tried making a deck with ultima as the commander
but there isn't enough things that synergizes with him

vast fossil
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I prefer longer games, because it means more draw, which means it's less RNG whether you can respond etc. makes each game more strategic to me

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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Like yeah our game yesterday lasted like 2 hours but it was back and forth and was entertaining the whole time for me

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Yee I really like Ultima

crimson steppe
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is literally the only cards in magic, that synergizes with him

vast fossil
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His blight counter is the weakest part, he's better in the 99 for his nana ability

crimson steppe
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the glove gives him extra attacks in colourless, the only card that can do that
and the other is the only way in colourless to clone a legendary creature disregarding legendary rule

crimson steppe
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if the opponent has no coloured mana, they cannot play their decks

vast fossil
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Sure but it's very salty

crimson steppe
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who of you was it that had a lands deck?

vast fossil
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He's just a super priority target, that's why I dunno if it's a good commander

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I had a necrobloom lands deck

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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Yup with the dredge that would be insane

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There's probably an infinite combo for that

crimson steppe
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not quite infinite, but in lands decks
it's not that difficult to play this effect 3-4 times per turn
as an average (could easily be more depending on game)

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and if you remove 3-4 lands per turn from an opponent

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well..

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it's also considered one of the most salty things you can do in magic
bordering the thing they call "mass lands destruction" (mld)

vast fossil
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I'm all on the colourless train right now, wonder if a colourless landfall deck is possible lol

crimson steppe
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unlikely, all the best lands things are in green, usually

vast fossil
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Yee

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It does seem like they are trying to add more for colorless tho

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A lot of the new cards are colorless like that Chiltern one I played yesterday

crimson steppe
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chimil?

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yeah that's a powerful one

vast fossil
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Yee

crimson steppe
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another one I like a lot

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more free stuff to enter your field, + everything you have, has ward 2 so annoying to remove

vast fossil
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Interesting

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I wonder how you'd do the random trigger in cockatrice

crimson steppe
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when playing with physical cards, we just spread them out and have a an opponent pick a card while they cannot see the face of the cards

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could probably shuffle your grave face down, then have an opponent say like, "third from the top" or something

shell widget
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We have some context about how badly Hasbro is doing compared to WOTC now

MTG sales have increased 23% over the last quarter
Hasbro stock has still gone down 1%
losing over $700 MILLION

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@vast fossil @hardy cloud can I get help testing a deck?

vast fossil
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sure

hardy cloud
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Fine gimme 5 mins

crimson steppe
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hope you managed to get your tests in
before I so rudely interupted you all

shell widget
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we got one game in

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mostly because Drake insists on playing his spellslinger deck

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which takes ages to do nothign KEKW

hardy cloud
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i was testing the improvements i made to it potastLOL

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i wont play it again for a while

shell widget
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by taking ages to do nothign KEKW

hardy cloud
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my guy that deck gifted you 2 wins so far potastLOL

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and won one of our games by a landslide potastDerp

shell widget
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I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining that it makes the game take ages

hardy cloud
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says the guy who literally has a stall deck potastLOL

shell widget
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well I'm not allowed removal now

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so I'mma stop you from winning another way

hardy cloud
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please dont tell me you're taking snake seriously on that potastLOL

shell widget
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no I'm being it as spitefully as possible

vast fossil
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Your allowed removal FFS cannon, it's mostly the counter spells I hate going against. But even then you're allowed them not stopping you..

shell widget
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no no, I'm being PETTY now

vast fossil
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@shell widget @hardy cloud you guys about for some mtg before stream?

vast fossil
hardy cloud
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uhhh on the hour?

vast fossil
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ayt then

shell widget
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sry, was alseep

vast fossil
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how dare

vast fossil
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had to take a call but anyone wanna run 1 quick game?

shell widget
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I can do one

vast fossil
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noice

shell widget
hardy cloud
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Yeah

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I have to leave in around an hour tho

shell widget
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time for 1 game then

crimson steppe
shell widget
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oooh noice

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lands matter space ship

shell widget
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@hardy cloud @vast fossil some mtg later?

hardy cloud
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Can't today , still moving

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vast fossil
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yee im free from like nowish onwards

shell widget
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noice

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vast fossil
shell widget
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@hardy cloud you available today?

hardy cloud
shell widget
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ahh, gotcha

crimson steppe
shell widget
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the most unrealistic thing is that Kyle would play mono-white

vast fossil
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@shell widget @hardy cloud anyone for couple games of mtg before stream?

shell widget
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gimme 15 -20 mins

shell widget
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am ready

vast fossil
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anyone free @ <t:1753905600:t> (auto converted to your local time) for some games?

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thats when i should be bak from the gym

shell widget
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sure

hardy cloud
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But I'll see

vast fossil
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just got home, be ready in 15 if you are both still free

shell widget
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coolio

vast fossil
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@hardy cloud so you about yet?

hardy cloud
shell widget
hardy cloud
hardy cloud
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looking for a new commander to build around and i came across this thing , the fuck is the point of this thing potastLOL an 0/8 with no keywords , just a big dumb blocker?

shell widget
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it's an octopus

hardy cloud
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oh

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i just got the "joke"

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now its even dumber

shell widget
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made this the other day, is pretty good

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back when I played standard, Sai was a pet card in my deck

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was blue/white artifacts

hardy cloud
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pHmm this guy seems like a start to a very annoying control deck

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not sure if i am the one to build or play it

shell widget
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most mono-blue is kinda controlly

hardy cloud
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please tell me this means i have to be wearing a hat irl for this to work KEKW

shell widget
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yes

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gives it menace

hardy cloud
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the amount of judge calls this would cause

shell widget
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what counts as a hat?

hardy cloud
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over what defines a "hat" potastLOL

shell widget
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I would wear one of those tiny little top hats

crimson steppe
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then this card becomes a 2 mana beater

hardy cloud
shell widget
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if you're in fewer colours tho then you have fewer options for creatures

hardy cloud
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i guess

hardy cloud
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pHmm i've come to realize there is alot more "value" commanders than "changes your gameplan" commanders

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i aint a fan of that ngl

crimson steppe
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sounds like you want voltron style

hardy cloud
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no idea what that is

shell widget
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get stuff, put it on thing, make thing big

hardy cloud
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i want stuff like my muldrotha which basically changes how to play the game entirely potastDerp

shell widget
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smash

crimson steppe
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make commander big
make commander unblockable
hul-- commander, smash!

hardy cloud
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nah thats boring

shell widget
crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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i meant not stuff that just gets you more cards for playing the game , stuff that basically change how you build your deck completely potastDerp again like muldrotha , ur dragon etc

crimson steppe
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both are value commands though

shell widget
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you could always try artifacts or enchantments
try something with vvery few creatures

crimson steppe
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one turns your grave into another hand, the other makes dragons cheaper

hardy cloud
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by value i meant , they draw you stuff for normal actions without impacting how you play your deck

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or let you look at top just for existing

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etc

shell widget
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anything that gives you mana or increases the number of cards you have is value in mtg

crimson steppe
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you can see all the different "themes" here

hardy cloud
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i understand that ur and muldrotha make value , but they do that by changing the way you build the deck you get me? potastDerp

shell widget
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Ur less then Muldrotha tbh
Ur is just a tribal deck

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there are a lot of those

crimson steppe
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^

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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honestly every tribal plays alot differently from what i've seen

hardy cloud
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like my slivers plays nothing like my dragons potastDerp

shell widget
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pretty much every tribal deck is just
Get a bunch of creature type.... win

hardy cloud
hardy cloud
shell widget
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yes but the strategy is still play a bunch of slivers or play a bunch of dragons

crimson steppe
shell widget
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then attack and win

hardy cloud
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the way you get there is completely different tho

shell widget
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the specifics doesn't change the strategy

hardy cloud
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which is the important part potastDerp

crimson steppe
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white is good at "go-wide" tokens

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black reanimates a lot

shell widget
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red is goblins

hardy cloud
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both my slivers and dragons are all color decks that play totally diffrently tho potastDerp

crimson steppe
shell widget
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all I'm saying is that you aren't saying what you think you are saying

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within the context of mtg anyway

crimson steppe
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most creature decks are like that

hardy cloud
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well i dont care about what others feel about my own decks potastDerp

crimson steppe
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is why I like "alternate win-cons"

shell widget
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like if I'm getting hit by 30 slivers or 30 dragons, doesn't matter how you got there

hardy cloud
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as long as they aint toxic at least potastLOL

shell widget
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you still played 30 creatures and hit me

crimson steppe
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my minwu cleric deck plays out a bunch of clerics that all heal
and everytime I heal, all my clerics get bigger

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but in the end, I'm just playing creatures and making them bigger

shell widget
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it's why I like stuff like Roon tbh
because it's a different way of actually building the deck

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gotta think about different things

hardy cloud
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i guess its my yugioh brain potastDerp we dont have viable alt win cons so all decks are by nature "creature" decks but they still all feel different because of the HOW of building your board

shell widget
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that's the point I was trying to make
sorry if I didn't make that clear

crimson steppe
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my taii wakeen deck- all about ramping and generating huge amounts of mana
then sniping down opponents with massive snipe damage

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I think my record thus far, was doing 70something damage to each opponent in a single turn

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naturally a bit overkill

shell widget
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nah, they deserved it

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I made 1.6 billion tokens before

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without an infinite combo

hardy cloud
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like see its cards like this that i am talking about , this is a puzzle to be solved potastDerp

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how do you get it so big potastDerp is there a way to make that 20 a 40

shell widget
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mana and power doublers

shell widget
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the better version

hardy cloud
crimson steppe
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vial smasher would be a creature in it

shell widget
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but mine is random so it's better

crimson steppe
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I have "every" damage doubler in existence in that deck

hardy cloud
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another hularious one potastLOL

shell widget
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ok that's funny XD

hardy cloud
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what text boxes interact with one another in a stupid way potastLOL

crimson steppe
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unofficial card though

shell widget
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I got time for one game after stream btw if you're down

hardy cloud
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you can most defo make infinte loops with that thing KEKW

hardy cloud
crimson steppe
# hardy cloud sadge

cards like these are called "silverborder" just for some reason, this one lacks the actual border

hardy cloud
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why does moxfield have fake cards on it potastReee

crimson steppe
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here you go

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silverborder commanders

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you can't use them in official games, but if your playgroup decides to allow it
they make for funny games

shell widget
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I did always want to do a silver bordered pod one time

vast fossil
shell widget
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sounds like a plan kappa

shell widget
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either of these two

hardy cloud
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asks aizo if she can do a handstand , has to play the rest of turn upside down KEKW

crimson steppe
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lots of things you can do, but say I ask if you're going to counter a spell and you say no, "you cannot counter now
if otherwise you say "yes", you now have to counter it

shell widget
shell widget
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cause I love the augment mechanic

hardy cloud
shell widget
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can I take them off? yes
will I? No

shell widget
vast fossil
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i said mayhaps

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so mayhaps

hardy cloud
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sure if i find something i like potastLOL

shell widget
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same thing potastBonk

shell widget
vast fossil
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in an investigation, details matter

shell widget
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I know I can but can you

hardy cloud
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there is a very greedy way to play this thing which would be probably ass but i wanna build it anyways potastLOL

shell widget
vast fossil
shell widget
hardy cloud
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yeah i know

vast fossil
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Aizo X is gon give it to ya

shell widget
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it's not a good commander normally

hardy cloud
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i am thinking of playing with like only 10+ mana stuff potastLOL

shell widget
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because everyone sees it and goes "nope"

hardy cloud
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which will defo suck cuz afaik there is no good protection in these colors and if she dies the deck does nothing

crimson steppe
shell widget
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basically you need lightning greaves, swiftfoot boots and the other one

crimson steppe
shell widget
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but even then, they kinda too slow

hardy cloud
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so maybe it can work

crimson steppe
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a whole plethora of "my board is indestructible" or "my board phases out"

shell widget
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oh it can it's just really tough

hardy cloud
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protection instants out the wazooo and then only giagantic creatures

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you know what

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amma build it potastDerp

shell widget
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noice

crimson steppe
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I'm using a bunch of them

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since that deck too needs to keep it's things on the board

shell widget
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remember that means you probably can't ever cast Kalila on the first turn possible

hardy cloud
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yep

hardy cloud
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i am litearlly looking through the three types sorting in decending order by mana and putting the most disgusting ones in potastLOL

crimson steppe
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angel tribal with a few board blink effects to remove the finality counters

hardy cloud
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aka disgusting things like this potastLOL

shell widget
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so you want to stop having people who are willing to play against you kappa

hardy cloud
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uuhhhhhh why doesnt this have a mana cost potastLOL

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doesnt matter we're cheating it out anyways

shell widget
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it's a meld card

hardy cloud
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meld?

shell widget
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you need to have two other cards out and then meet some condition

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then you get that

hardy cloud
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oh

shell widget
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generally not something that happens but the few times it does

crimson steppe
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notice their keywords as well as power and toughness

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matches the combined effort of bruna and gisela

shell widget
crimson steppe
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if you read eldrazi lore, or avacyns lore that has part in it
you also learn of those two

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it's quite a sadge story

hardy cloud
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alright after checking all the 6 or above mana demons angles and dragons i have 42 creatures in the deck potastLOL

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now to do lands

crimson steppe
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angels are basically the upper guardians of the realms
highly proud of their heritage, and very powerful

emrakul's influence have gotten hold of avacyn, the angel they all believed was the second coming of "asha" the most powerful angelic leader who left the realms- through avacyn, the three sisters; sigarda, bruna and gisela, stand against avacyn, but since only sigarda have the ability to repel evil influence, bruna and gisela becomes corrupted by emrakul's twisted life transmutation, and slowly becomes "brisela" and sigarda has to fight her sisters

shell widget
crimson steppe
shell widget
crimson steppe
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the third sister, sigarda, is selesnya(white and green)

hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe you're missing out on the most horrendous gamestate we have ever achived potastLOL

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2 of us decked out , i had EVERY SINGLE LAND in my deck on the board , snek had over 180 life at some point , and the funny thing is cannon could have dealt that much damage but he couldnt attack him

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game took us 2 hours

crimson steppe
vast fossil
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it came down to literally cannon needing to bounce a card, or i win the next turn

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they both had to work together to deck me out lol

amber quail
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Blew my mind when I first got into mtg because I didnโ€™t realize it made sleeves required for playing

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Eventually I found out that thereโ€™s half a gazillion other โ€œflip and become new bigger thingโ€ cards and that all non heathens use sleeves anyways

hardy cloud
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i wish there was a faster way to get the lands you want into decks potastLOL

shell widget
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like find out which ones you want?

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or the actual typing into the deck?

hardy cloud
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no just to get them

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cuz i know i want all the filter lands , all the scry and serveil ones and all the pay 2 ones and then all the searchers for the colors i want potastDerp but i have to look up all the lands to find those

shell widget
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I use this website for the names of them potastDerp

hardy cloud
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huh how come i've never seen this b4? seems like it'd be a staple

shell widget
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it's new

hardy cloud
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ah

shell widget
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but yes, that is a good land

hardy cloud
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thats a busted land

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amma add it to all my decks potastLOL

shell widget
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hmm, but until you get another permeant out it's kinda useless

hardy cloud
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if you dont have a single permanant on the board you're kinda in trouble anyways potastLOL

shell widget
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I mean it's not great early game

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because you probably just have lands and maybe some artifact ramp

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also it won't let you hit all five colours easily, it lets you get double in one colour

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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yes but again , you're always going to have something unless its like turn 2

shell widget
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that's the point I'm making

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it's kinda naff early game

hardy cloud
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potastLOL after putting all the good lands in the deck i find out it has 70 lands

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time to start cutting

shell widget
hardy cloud
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nah

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kalia

shell widget
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oh so 3

hardy cloud
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white red black

shell widget
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the filter lands are less vital then tbh

hardy cloud
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yeah ill start cutting them down once jeannie starts e33

vast fossil
hardy cloud
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man there is alot more good lands than i thought

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i need to fix up all my decks potastLOL

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i am struggling to cut down from 50 lands rn KEKW

shell widget
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get rid of the pain lands first

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then the conditional lands

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those two types can go

hardy cloud
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okay down to 41

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i like to run 35

shell widget
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the two faced ones are probably next, you're in a lot of colours so you need lands that can tap for multiple colours all the time

hardy cloud
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i also cut the filters and the ones that tap for 2

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and that puts me at 35 potasthype

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now to put like 20 protection spells in KEKW

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pHmm do i need ramp

shell widget
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yes

hardy cloud
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maybe just the basics

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cuz i dont plan on playing anything normally except kalia potastLOL

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litearlly all the other creatures i plan to cheat out

shell widget
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sol and arcane are definites

hardy cloud
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yeah those are granted

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also chromatic lantern and commander sphere

hardy cloud
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mmmm salty

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this deck is gonna be so dumb

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at least 5 turns of just doing nothing then play kaalia and pray shes is enough KEKW

shell widget
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I'm looking forward to it

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looking forward to beating it if that wasn't clear

hardy cloud
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oh dw , i know this deck wont win games

shell widget
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oh, I should not play my sacrifice/discard deck against it

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that would be very unfair

hardy cloud
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that would be so fucking funny KEKW

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the smallest creature in the deck is 6 mana

shell widget
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yeah.... either discard it or sac it AND I then get it

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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@shell widget @vast fossil wanna help me test this meme af deck? potastLOL

vast fossil
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sure

shell widget
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not tonight

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I do need some sleep XD

vast fossil
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i've not had a change to update my oloro deck tho, so itll be the same one as the other day

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chance*

hardy cloud
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okay so just us two then snek?

shell widget
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I'll be more then down for some games tomorrow tho

shell widget
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud some mtg before stream?

hardy cloud
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i am down

shell widget
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noice

vast fossil
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not today, got some work to do

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depending on how tired i am later maybe after stream

vast fossil
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yeah probs just gonna head to bed, ill be around before stream tme tomorrow if you guys wanna play then before the bg3 stuff

shell widget
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what time we thinking today peeps?

vast fossil
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im off to the gym in a bit but will be back at 9ish

shell widget
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normie PepeLaugh

hardy cloud
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I just got home from my training and taking a bath potastDerp

shell widget
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good, I can smell you from here

shell widget
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so we doing this?

vast fossil
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seeing as jeannie starting early and im only just ready now, maybe we go after?

vast fossil
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aight @hardy cloud @shell widget i got a couple games in me if you wanna?

shell widget
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yep

hardy cloud
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sure

crimson steppe
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I now officially have these two commander decks on the way

crimson steppe
shell widget
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I like it

shell widget
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud quick game of magic post stream?

vast fossil
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not today guys got some stuff to do tmoorrow

hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe @shell widget these feel hularious potastLOL

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this card is so busted wtf potastLOL

vast fossil
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pretty sure its banned in commander now

hardy cloud
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yeah appaently it is

shell widget
shell widget
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@vast fossil @hardy cloud @raven shore quick game after stream?

hardy cloud
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sure

vast fossil
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i was gonna play some bf6 with kon, if that falls through sure

vast fossil
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confused noises

hardy cloud
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whats confusing about it

vast fossil
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the cards not confusing, but i'm confused

vast fossil
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oh fek i forgot i had already agreed to play games with others

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i can do tomorrow before dnd if you are both free?

shell widget
vast fossil
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no i also fucked up agreeing to that, i was gonna play mycopunk with friends

hardy cloud
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i come home like an hour b4 dnd from my training and i use that hour to take a bath potastLOL so no can do tmr

shell widget
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anyway, quick gam drake

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1v1 me scrub

hardy cloud
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sure

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i can try my probably ass dice roll deck potastLOL

vast fossil
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also didnt know ti was your burfdey appy borfunt

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cannon that is not drake lol

shell widget
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?

hardy cloud
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Now how does one get rid of everything except this card and not lose the game on the spot pHmm

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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But how do we give them notion thief potastDerp

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Also that's a 5 card combo surely we can do better potastLOL

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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pings aizo for one in draw step

shell widget
shell widget
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@hardy cloud @vast fossil quick gam after stream?

vast fossil
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probs not need to reset my sleep schedule

hardy cloud
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i can

shell widget
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kewl

hardy cloud
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@shell widget @crimson steppe would you play this if it was real? KEKW this is the depth us yugioh players have to go to for card draw

shell widget
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nah, there are better card draw spells then that

vast fossil
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exiles 20 of my cards
makes anoher player draw 3

shell widget
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if you had a deck that wanted to exile your own stuff then sure

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but otherwise there are just better spells then this

hardy cloud
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Saw this in a reddit post , imagine if they ever printed a card that makes your opponent declare a name and it has to be this KEKW

shell widget
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there are cards like that

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for example

hardy cloud
# shell widget

Yeah but I want to force the opponent to name exactly that card so they lose cuz they can't do it KEKW

hardy cloud
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Suddenly only legendary creatures can be played potastDerp

shell widget
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apparently this is real KEKW

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
# crimson steppe

Now somehow clone this infinitely and no one is allowed permanents anymore

crimson steppe
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basically cards that says "exile, then return this card to the battlefield"

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since he only gives back cards when he dies
means you can blink him a lot to get many triggers
without giving back the cards

hardy cloud
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But its funnier if you make infinite of him potastLOL

shell widget
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on the mana screw front

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my planeswalker deck only has 27 lands and basically no ramp

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and I've basically never been mana screwed with it

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and you get mana screwed with 40 land decks

hardy cloud
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You're simply built different

shell widget
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you can say "lucky bastard"

crimson steppe
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you cannot escape school even in magic

shell widget
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IT'S MORBIN TIME

hardy cloud
crimson steppe
hardy cloud
orchid forge
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Just bought the ghost of tsushima secret lair

hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe @shell widget just came back from my first ever dip into a TCG store , cardboard is expensive memes are very much real KEKW , i considered buying a commander precon but they didnt have them and the store has a more yugioh/riftbound centered audience

hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe @shell widget just killed an entire table turn 6 because of ur dragon atraka and twinflame tyrant KEKW

hardy cloud
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didnt even need commander damage , the ur dragon did 40 on its own KEKW

wicked zinc
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I really wish to get the marvel cards and avatar cards.

vast fossil
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you remember that life gain deck i had? well just played it and won against someone with this win con KEKW

I baited out all their counter spells with board wipes, then dropped this bomb and won

hardy cloud
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after watching snek crack open some packs i tried the game out again only to get infinted at turn 5 lol

hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe i remember you talking about this thing and i wanna build it , any idea what i should be looking for? seeing cannon and snek crack open packs made me wanna try deckbuilding again

crimson steppe
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clones, ramp, and counterspells

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one koma alone on the board already changes the game to be completely around koma
he's one of the most toxic commanders like that, because even one is difficult to deal with
and you reach a breaking point where the enemy cannot even play the game, if you haven't won before then
because you can, on their upkeep, tab down all their lands, without going negative in the coils you create
and any creatures they might have cannot attack or use abilities either, due to that same ability- they cannot even destroy koma

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(though they can bounce or exile him if you don't counterspell)

hardy cloud
hardy cloud
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@crimson steppe is there a "lowkey" smimic commander , aka one that doesnt make everyone hate me instantly? KEKW

crimson steppe
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no

hardy cloud
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idk why but just "no" is comical

crimson steppe
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blue is the single-most hated colour in magic, for obvious reasons
green's ability to produce obscene amounts of mana for no reason is the colour that best compliments it
makes it much too easy to procure 20 mana by turn 3-4 if you actually try, which just ends up in zero counterplay
as you'll not only way outmana opponents, you'll also have the mana to counterspell anything they do, while searching your
deck for your win-combo--- if you haven't just straight up found it already anyway, because guess what-- simic is also
the best colour combination at simply drawing cards

hardy cloud
crimson steppe
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I like "esper" (blue, black, white) which just so happens to be the most powerful control colours
as it has access to the most powerful removal + counterspells

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also why this is one of my favourite commanders- because I can literally win by just removing, counterspelling, and casting card draw spells
I'm even passively fuelled with cards for no reason, simply by the game being played

hardy cloud
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do 4 color combinations have names? i know some of the 3 combs , but i like everything but white , white's boring KEKW

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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so whats the name for everything except white

crimson steppe
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4 colours are rarely used though- 5 is just called "WUBRG" which is just the 5 colour initials

hardy cloud
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lol there is exactly one commander in "everything but white" , this thing , i wanna build it on principle

crimson steppe
# hardy cloud so whats the name for everything except white

Two-Color Combinations (Guilds)

  • Azorius: White/Blue
  • Dimir: Blue/Black
  • Rakdos: Black/Red
  • Gruul: Red/Green
  • Selesnya: Green/White
  • Orzhov: White/Black
  • Izzet: Blue/Red
  • Golgari: Black/Green
  • Boros: Red/White
  • Simic: Green/Blue

Three-Color Combinations (Shards & Wedges)

  • Bant: White/Blue/Green
  • Esper: White/Blue/Black
  • Grixis: Blue/Black/Red
  • Jund: Black/Red/Green
  • Naya: Red/Green/White
  • Abzan: White/Black/Green
  • Jeskai: Blue/Red/White
  • Sultai: Black/Green/Blue
  • Mardu: Red/White/Black
  • Temur: Green/Blue/Red

Four-Color Combinations

  • Yore-Tiller: White/Blue/Black/Red
  • Glint-Eye: Blue/Black/Red/Green
  • Dune-Brood: Black/Red/Green/White
  • Ink-Treader: Red/Green/White/Blue
  • Witch-Maw: Green/White/Blue/Black

5-Colour and Colourless

  • WUBRG
  • C
hardy cloud
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so its glint-eye

crimson steppe
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peepos generally don't use 4 colour names though, as few bother to remember the names for them

hardy cloud
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i just called the deck "fuck white" KEKW

crimson steppe
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most will just say like, "I'm 4 colours" and which colours they are

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Witch-Maw has a notorius commander that everyone knows

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legendary for "poison" theme

hardy cloud
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proliferate is just a toxic mechanic

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nothing that has that on it does anything sane KEKW

crimson steppe
hardy cloud
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this might be... the funniest card text i've ever seen

hardy cloud
# crimson steppe

math in cards will never be topped after yugioh making people solve a 2 equation system on the fly

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fun fact , this card saw play , and people would actually write down cheat cheets of the numbers to use KEKW

hardy cloud
hardy cloud
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@shell widget @vast fossil i wanna try this thing , wanna run a few?

vast fossil
hardy cloud
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we'll see by then ig

shell widget
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would have to be next week some time

hardy cloud
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aight

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next week it is

shell widget
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I could do tomorrow if you wanted a 1v1

shell widget
hardy cloud
shell widget
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๐Ÿ‘

vast fossil
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Im gonna be opening some packs before Jeannie's stream. but are either of you free after jeannies stream today to help me build a commander deck?

Im making one with this commander: https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/218/savra-queen-of-the-golgari

But i want to include a lot of the new life gain and pest stuff from strixhaven cos i think it will work quite well, but dont know where to start

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fyi i am also wanting to play this in person, and i've already ordered a bunch of good green and black singles

shell widget
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I would but I'm completely dead rn

shell widget
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I'm back home now so I can do stuff whenever

crimson steppe
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my knuckles deck

hardy cloud
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Btw aiz we were talking about doing draft or sealed , wanna try that sometimes?

crimson steppe
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no, but that you for considering me 02Pat

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I only like commander

hardy cloud
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๐Ÿ‘ always open if you change your mind

crimson steppe
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manafixing not even above 100% shame on me

hardy cloud
shell widget
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this is the Gisa deck I made btw Drake

hardy cloud
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My Koma deck is also at a 6

crimson steppe
crimson steppe
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higher % means that much higher chance to play them earlier

hardy cloud
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It's the over 100% part that doesn't math aiz lol

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Unless it's counting the chance of you playing earlier than curve as extra ig

crimson steppe
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naww it makes perfect sense- 126% over curve means a card comes out 26% faster than baseline expected

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statistically that is

hardy cloud
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Yeah ig anyways shower time bye