YO ANYONE DOWN FOR DND ON NON-STREAM NIGHTS?

[proud pebble]

sneak attack is added to the damage of an attack when you:
A: have advantage on the attack
B: have an ally adjacent to you when you hit in melee

[umbral osprey]

you can use it whenever you get advantage on an attack , from being hidden or from flanking an enemy by surrounding them

[proud pebble]

ignore drake's mine is more correct

[neat dust]

i liked the sound of shadow monk cuz of teleport and invisibility

[proud pebble]

you gain advantage from flanking or being hidden

that's why you get sneak attack

[pastel idol]

it's really fun, one of my favourites- but, you need to remember those traits while powerful
are only available in shadows of at least dim light

[proud pebble]

it's less good in actual play as opposed to in BG3 fyi

[pastel idol]

often, there'll be light around so you need to sneak around corners and away from light
but you can also expend ki points to create magical darkness

[neat dust]

our campaign has us underground in caves alot no? so i just need to deal with the light sources

[pastel idol]

or expend ki points for your team, to give them "pass without trace"

[pastel idol]

correct

[umbral osprey]

or he can cast darkness

if he does go into arcane trickster

[neat dust]

[pastel idol]

shadow monk can too, for ki points

[umbral osprey]

the only thing that would kinda fuck up that build is i think his wisdom was low?

how much wiz do you have val?

[proud pebble]

given the current actions: 0

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-wisdomous-wise-joey-tribbiani-gif-6083816

it's 9

[pastel idol]

well then you can't multiclass monk, as it requires at least 13

unless dm allows it

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuzen-kusuri-yakuzen-kusuri-cry-kusuri-cry-kusuri-tantrum-anime-tantrum-gif-10043222890593820787

[umbral osprey]

yeah he cant go into monk rn

[neat dust]

how get more wisdom?

[proud pebble]

lets not intro Val to multiclassing until he understands the game better XD

[umbral osprey]

at lvl 4 you can get youself 2 points , but wont be enough

[pastel idol]

the spells shadow monk gets, able to be cast for ki points is: darkness, darkvision, pass without trace, and silence
and they also get the minor illusion as a cantrip

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kanna-kamui-sit-sad-gif-18391892416812948817

[pastel idol]

later they get the "spell-like abilities" shadow step and cloak of shadows

[umbral osprey]

just play a pure arcane trickster for this campaign val , you can make your dream build next time

[proud pebble]

I'm a fighter... I hit things

[pastel idol]

what are your stats like now? all of them

[proud pebble]

dis me

[pastel idol]

just need sentinel, and multiple reactions to really mess up the enemy

[neat dust]

strenght: 14 dex:18 con:10 int:16 wisdom: 9 charisma: 8

[umbral osprey]

that glorious 4 CHA

[proud pebble]

Yep

I could roll a -2 on a persuasion check

[pastel idol]

what class are you, rogue?

[neat dust]

i'm proficiant in acrobatics, deception, perception, slight of hand and stealth.

[neat dust]

yes

[umbral osprey]

our party is 3 rouges a fighter and a wizard

actually 4 rouges but one is a druid multi class

and ill be a sorc mulitclass eventually

[proud pebble]

I was also gonna be a rouge XD

but then I changed

[umbral osprey]

all because i called fighters boring

[pastel idol]

I think arcane trickster, inquisitive, or mastermind would be fun subclasses for you, and good for your stats

[neat dust]

can i be munk if i promise to not save zowo the next time he gets naked and dies

[proud pebble]

and it was worth it

[neat dust]

inquisitive?

[pastel idol]

inquisitive sublcass is essentially a spy, good at investigation and getting information out of peepos
arcane trickster is a rogue who bolsters what they do with sneaky magic
mastermind is good at manipulating peepos, one of their special traits is, that their "help" action gets a 30ft range instead of 5ft

[proud pebble]

like an investigator

[neat dust]

arcane trickser sounds like what i would like most

[umbral osprey]

btw cannon are we playing tmr?

[pastel idol]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:arcane-trickster

[umbral osprey]

arcane trickster is really cool you get a magic knife and shit

[proud pebble]

possibly

[neat dust]

i only know mage hand?

cantrips

so mage hand lets me cast spells?

[proud pebble]

a cantrip is a spell you can cast unlimited times a day

[umbral osprey]

no mage hand is basically a hand that you get that can touch stuff val

[pastel idol]

mage hand cantrip is automatically given to you when you pick the arcane trickster subclass
and then you get to pick to additiona spells from the wizard spell list, but they have to be either enchantment or illusion school

[proud pebble]

while other spells consume a resource that limits how many you can cast per day

[neat dust]

i see

[neat dust]

[proud pebble]

it depends on if I have enough energy, I didn't realise just how much talking to people takes out of me rn

[umbral osprey]

[proud pebble]

after yesterday's session I had to nap for like 2 hrs

[neat dust]

socialising is tiering

[proud pebble]

*tiring

[neat dust]

[proud pebble]

might say a short 2 hr session if peeps are ok with that

[neat dust]

every couple of months i go back to fucking up that word

[proud pebble]

[ancient sun]

meanwhile me planning a guys' trip for july

[proud pebble]

it happens

[proud pebble]

fuckin normie

[ancient sun]

fuckin NEET

[umbral osprey]

as long as you aint pushing yourself

[proud pebble]

if we go in with the understanding that it will be shorter then normal and that I might end even before the 2 hr mark then I down to try

[ancient sun]

im fine with anything under 2hrs, works better for me anyway

[proud pebble]

ok, now 15hr session

[ancient sun]

welll shit

gotta sleep beforehand then

[pastel idol]

1st level spells you can pick when you get arcane trickster subclass- (up to two at level 3)
enchantment list: charm person, silvery barbs, sleep, tasha's hideous laughter
illusion list: colour spray, disguise self, distort value, illusory script, silent image

@neat dust I suggest silvery barbs at least, really good spell

2nd level spells for arcane trickster isn't until level 7
with 3rd level being at 13, and 4th at 19

[proud pebble]

Justan says we probably won't go above lv11

[pastel idol]

still a good decent level

[proud pebble]

yee

I'll still only be at 2 attacks a turn tho

never mind

I lie

Fighter gets 3 attacks per turn at lv11

[pastel idol]

plus action surge

[proud pebble]

yeeeeee

6 attacks LETSGO

<@&1248006648744902809> there is gonna be a session tomorrow, probably just gonna be 2hrs or so but we might end earlier then that depending on my energy levels

[neat dust]

what does silvery barbs do?

[burnt sorrel]

what the heckers did i miss? yalls been yappin

[umbral osprey]

forces disadvantage on a check

[neat dust]

i asked about stuff

[neat dust]

for the enemy right?

[umbral osprey]

yes

[proud pebble]

not much just val asking questions

[neat dust]

what does tasha's hideous laughter do?

[umbral osprey]

forces an enemy to laugh

[proud pebble]

if the target fails a save then it laughs for it's turn

[neat dust]

i get to pick 3 of these right?

[proud pebble]

next level, yeah

[neat dust]

i want silvery barbs, sleep and disguise self

[pastel idol]

disadvantage on an enemie's roll granted they're within 60ft of you
and then you can give advantage to another friendly creature(or yourself) on their next attack roll, ability check, or saving throw
at reaction speed

[pastel idol]

2 at 3rd level

it forces mage hand on you when you first pick arcane trickster

[neat dust]

oh those these are cantrips not spells

[pastel idol]

at 4th level arcane trickster, you can pick a 3rd spell

[neat dust]

definetivly picking this

sleep also sounds good but how specificaly does that work?

[pastel idol]

oh yeah you right, 3 cantrips, mage hand and two others

[neat dust]

and 3 spells no?

[pastel idol]

yes

[neat dust]

so these were spells?

[pastel idol]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:sleep

[neat dust]

or were they cantrips?

[pastel idol]

the ones I listed are spells

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spells:wizard-core

you can see the entire list here

[pastel idol]

the fun thing about silvery barbs is, it's a reaction spell
so you use it in response to an enemy's roll succeeding
then you just "nope" them, and they have to reroll

granted "reactions" are once per round

[neat dust]

[pastel idol]

also, tasha's hideous laughter is a 1minute concentration spell
if your target fails it's save, it's forced to hideously laugh for a minute
unless it breaks free

[neat dust]

could i pick any cantrip?

[pastel idol]

yes

[neat dust]

also whats the specifics for sleep?

[pastel idol]

"1 minute" means 10 rounds of combat

[neat dust]

can i just cast it and if i hit target goes to sleep?

[neat dust]

[proud pebble]

For DS2, does taking damage from the smelter demon's fire aura count as getting hit?

[umbral osprey]

you need to roll higher than thier healthbar

no

it does end no damage runs tho

[proud pebble]

then I no hit Smelter Demon with bow only

[umbral osprey]

nice

[pastel idol]

yup, you roll the specified die, then if your target has less health than the die numbers
they fall into forced sleep

[umbral osprey]

5d8s iirc

[pastel idol]

as for tasha's laughter- the target falls prone, cannot stand up, and are considered incapacitated for the duration(or until broken)

really good spell

[neat dust]

to make someone sleep? but other then that i can make people go to sleep no matter the situation?

[pastel idol]

yes

[neat dust]

hmm tasha's sounds good for combat and sleep sound good in general but seems harder to pull off

sleep i can hopefully put a whole camp to sleep 1 by 1

also i can't decide which cantrips i want >.<

[pastel idol]

they're only asleep for a minute

again that is 10 rounds of combat, but outside combat it's not that long

[umbral osprey]

also while they're asleep all attacks on them are crit

[neat dust]

fire bolt sounds cool a nice little long range spell

[neat dust]

leaning more towards tasha's

[pastel idol]

if I could recommend some; "dancing lights" is pretty good, as it let's you light up dark places as you want
and "message" let's you telepathically talk briefly to another creature within 120ft and have them be able to reply

pretty good for cantrips

[neat dust]

i got night vision and like having the dark help keep me hidden

[pastel idol]

in that case, "control flame" lets you snuff out fires

[neat dust]

oh that sounds nice

also what does true strike do?

[pastel idol]

it can also just reduce how far light is cast, granted the source is flames

[proud pebble]

Iron King also beaten hitless with bow

[umbral osprey]

its shit

[umbral osprey]

nice

[neat dust]

i see

[pastel idol]

it gives advantage on your next attack against the target, but costs an action so you can't attack on the same turn
the best use, is out of combat to prepare(since it's a cantrip) and then sneak up to them and attack

[umbral osprey]

that spell should have been a bonus action

[pastel idol]

not the best really

[neat dust]

so atm i think i want control flame

now i have 1 more pick

poison spray sounds nice

[pastel idol]

prestidigitation may be better for you than control flame
it's less specific, but it allows you to snuff out candles, torches or campfires still
but, it also allows you to light them if needed, or it can clean surfaces, like if you're splattered with blood, or covered in mud

[neat dust]

difficult word

[pastel idol]

it can also warm your blanket in the winter, or cool it in the summer

[neat dust]

unsure if i can even say it

[pastel idol]

[neat dust]

anyway sounds like i wanna take that over control flame yeah

[pastel idol]

you can read the specifics here: https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:prestidigitation

for a cantrip it's pretty fun

the big difference between control flame, and presti- is that control flame has 60ft range
presti only has 10ft

[pastel idol]

which is still like, 3 meters or so

[neat dust]

surely that would put me in the range of the light i'm trying to avoid

[pastel idol]

so control flame can put out torches and campfires while you're still about 20 meters away
presti needs you to be a little closer

[neat dust]

so control flame is better for me no?

[pastel idol]

if that is what you're after, yes

[neat dust]

fire bolt got long range and does 1d10 dmg

[pastel idol]

you don't have like, a bow?

[umbral osprey]

he does

[neat dust]

isn't my bow's range only 60 feet?

also mold earth sounds interesting?

[pastel idol]

control fire, mold earth, and shape water are all fun

[proud pebble]

60ft is the short range, it can shoot beyond that but with disadvantage

[neat dust]

can i treat it like earth bending? like i can make a small wall or spikes?

maybe move a chunk off a wall so i can enter

[neat dust]

[pastel idol]

cantrips aren't that powerful

[neat dust]

just wondering if i wanna enter a fortres if i can move a small chunk of the wall to make a hole for me to go through

[neat dust]

i see

[pastel idol]

mold earth is more like, you can influence a small area to:

• cause difficult terrain, or make difficult terrain normal
• make shapes in the ground/dirt
• excavate already loose dirt/earth

[neat dust]

but can i make small walls to hide behind or spikes to damage enemies?

[pastel idol]

the bottom one closest to what you mean
but it would need to already be soft and loose

[neat dust]

i see

[pastel idol]

not big enough to really do much

[neat dust]

can i turn ground into mud?

would be difficult to move in

[pastel idol]

something like that, but it wouldn't be mud

[neat dust]

.<

[pastel idol]

there are higher level spells that can create earth walls, create patches of mud, create holes in walls and such

cantrips are the lowest form of spells
hence they can be cast again and again

[neat dust]

hmm so i can't throw water from a puch and turn it into small ice needles?

with shape water

[pastel idol]

the spell you wanted "mold earth" to be: https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:move-earth

6th level spell

[pastel idol]

that may be possible, but it wouldn't amount to the "ice knife" spell

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:ice-knife

you could probably use shape water to make needles of ice, and them fling them with your own throwing power

but it would just be counted as a "thrown weapon"

an arcane trickster is still a rogue after all
you're just dipping your feet a bit into magic

[neat dust]

does sapping sting give me health?

[pastel idol]

no, just does necrotic damage and makes the target fall prone

there are no healing cantrips, even for clerics

much to my dismay

[umbral osprey]

healing on cantrip would be way too strong tbh

[pastel idol]

yeah

[neat dust]

idk what to pick >.<

[pastel idol]

I don't know what justin has planned for you all, but control flame was good right?
"message" let's you talk to your party even at distance, and "mending" let's you repair broken things

you can always pick that firebolt if you really wanted a ranged spell

[neat dust]

it just sounds cool

it has little use other then for dmg

it does 1d10 and my bow does 1d6

acid splash can hit multiple enemies

[pastel idol]

if you like ranged attacks, "chill touch" while only being 1d8 instead of the firebolt's 1d10
also prevents the target from gaining health until your next turn

[umbral osprey]

booming blade is pretty damn good if you wanna be melee

[neat dust]

not on the list

[pastel idol]

it's from the expanded list, but not all dms allow that
so I just sent the core list

[proud pebble]

yeah, Drake is a little power gamer and likes to use the most broken stuff possible

[umbral osprey]

no its just thematic for my character

[pastel idol]

if we use the expanded list, there's also sword burst https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spell:sword-burst

[umbral osprey]

i like to make strong thematic builds

[proud pebble]

sure it is buddy

[umbral osprey]

ooo this is cool

like a mini spirit guardians

[proud pebble]

we will have to have a op build off at some point

[pastel idol]

xopah has a spell that, over a minute, heals a minimum of 70 hit points, and a maximum of 170
as a bonus action each turn after the initial cast

[neat dust]

i'll think on this more another time

[umbral osprey]

i am not good at making the "most powerful" build , but i am pretty good at making the peak of a theme

[neat dust]

can't do it before i level anyway

[proud pebble]

ok, the theme is: Strongest build possible

[pastel idol]

at 7th level in cannon's campaign, I get access to "aura of life" that gives resistance to necrotic damage within my radius
as well as preventing the loss of maximum hit points

[umbral osprey]

that will be pretty useful

[proud pebble]

gotta send more spectres at you before lv7 then

[umbral osprey]

cuz life loss is permanant in this campaign cuz of the curse

[pastel idol]

[proud pebble]

max hp loss is brutal but it could be so much worse XD

[pastel idol]

granted, it is a concentration spell, so no other concentration while that goes
and it has a chance of falling

[neat dust]

i'm squishy

[pastel idol]

I can make clerics practically immortal, but for xopah, she suffers from being a tortle, but I thought it would be funny

[neat dust]

i got 10 hit points max and it seems the others got more

i think zowo had 18?

[proud pebble]

I have 26 Val

[neat dust]

cannon has something 20?

[pastel idol]

you're only level 2 in justin's campaign right?

[neat dust]

yup

[proud pebble]

yep

[pastel idol]

rogue's health is a 1d8 per level, + con mod

[proud pebble]

quick thing I found on undead

[umbral osprey]

amma ask this again , since aizo is the only one that reads the pins but cannon and val , would either of you be interested in being test rats for my own system in a bit?

[pastel idol]

fighters, paladins has 1d10 + con, barbarians have 1d12 + con

[neat dust]

this means i rolled a 2

[umbral osprey]

you did

iirc

[proud pebble]

sure, at some point

[pastel idol]

at first level, the roll counts as the highest possible roll + con

after that you roll

[umbral osprey]

1 more player and ill run it

[proud pebble]

I rolled an 8 or 9 at second level I believe

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/kyo-kaneko-kyo-kaneko-hanya-kyo-kaneko-cute-kyo-kaneko-tilt-head-kyo-tilt-head-gif-13560185064659011828

[pastel idol]

clerics are also only 1d8

[proud pebble]

the majority of classes are 1d8

[umbral osprey]

basically i am making a game thats like D&D and i want testers

[proud pebble]

Bard, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Rogue and Warlock are all D8s

fully half the classes in the game

[neat dust]

when?

[umbral osprey]

not for a while

[proud pebble]

when it's finished

[umbral osprey]

still didnt finish it up

[pastel idol]

also just a FYI- the "create food and water" spell xopah has, while it sustains you and such
it's considered "bland", so think like, canned stuff, or war rations

so if one wants an actual good meal, hunting or cooking is still better, from a roleplaying standpoint

[neat dust]

weather i can or not depends on when cuz work and also needing to mentaly prepare

[proud pebble]

I think after you're in the jungle for months, even basic food and water is plenty

[neat dust]

think the spell i can't spell lets u add flavor

cantrip not spell

prestige something

[pastel idol]

prestidigitation does, but it's not that the food isn't flavoured, it's just like, canned food, or rations like

is how I imagine it

[proud pebble]

I shall give Aizo the spoon of spices, a magic spoon that automatically seasons any food it stirrers, to perfection

[neat dust]

it's unseasoned food

[pastel idol]

[proud pebble]

Drake gets the spoon of slightly too much salt, a magic spoon that makes any food eaten taste slightly too salty

[neat dust]

i suddenly crave pancakes

[pastel idol]

the kind of flavour prestidigitation does, is also more like, you can give water a slight lemony flavour, and other similar

it's still just a cantrip

can't make water taste like pizza

[neat dust]

can't make stew taste like it had more salt used in it?

[pastel idol]

the spell "adds flavour" you would have to specify what flavour

[proud pebble]

your newest magic item

[umbral osprey]

yoo i just came up with a very funny idea

[neat dust]

hmm but what if u specify the flavor of what ur already eating would it then enhance the flavor?

[pastel idol]

the spell doesn't enhance flavour, it "adds"

still a cantrip, after all

[umbral osprey]

imagine a cook that despite training for year is cursed , but the reason is , all his utensils have similar curses on them and he calls the party for help only for the party to uncover someone is playing a really bad prank on him

[neat dust]

yes but ur adding stew flavor onto stew

[pastel idol]

if you had curry rice, and cast presti to add "curry flavour" it probably wouldn't be noticable

but this is really just roleplay flavour, so would be up to the dm

[neat dust]

[violet cave]

@umbral osprey im late to the party on this but

Sneak attack is balanced by virtue of proccing once per turn

Monk however gets varied abilities that add onto the unarmed strikes

[pastel idol]

makes assassin rogue/paladin/gloomstalker ranger, and does smiting, gloomstalker initial sneak attack that automatically crits

[proud pebble]

me over here with my fighter who bonk

[burnt sorrel]

sup, no mic today cos im workin

so just listening in

yeah my voice has massive ping too for some reason

[umbral osprey]

@pastel idol @ancient sun get in here

[pastel idol]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-gif-10075040375071383514

[pastel idol]

thank you all for playing, it's loads of fun

[spice bobcat]

glad you're having fun aizo

[proud pebble]

yee, was good to have you all back

[spice bobcat]

glad you feeling up for it again

[proud pebble]

still subject to change unfortunately, next week is probably gonna be a bit rough

[spice bobcat]

w/e you need to do, just keep us posted.

[violet cave]

The day Aizo plays a combat character is horrifying

[sudden frost]

They're just taking advantage of what's there. People may deride munchkin-ing, but goodness knows in the game world itself there are characters which would do the same.

[violet cave]

The virgin multiclass vs the Chad mono class nuke

[violet cave]

<@&1284336728831950879> could everyone please give me a Dex save and put the results in this channel please?

[ancient sun]

23

so fukin random and im scared

just poured out one of my dice sets from the case and frantically scrambled for the d20 on teh floor

[neat dust]

28

Totaly not lying

Not at work with no dice

i am at work with no dice

Wait can i even get 28

Maybe it was 26

[burnt sorrel]

Uhh why?

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/toshi-worm-riding-gif-7052594317555817283

Incoming purple worm

[violet cave]

just make the roll 🙂

[umbral osprey]

22

[scarlet crescent]

I love baseball and D&D, this is definitely going to be me when I become a dad one day

[ancient sun]

[proud pebble]

15

[proud pebble]

is now also a good time to point out that Elara is unconscious and as a result automatically fails dexterity saving throws?

[umbral osprey]

mean

[proud pebble]

I could wait to do it on the day

[ancient sun]

I mean, i wasnt aware that a con save gets immediately forfeit when unconscious, while stabilized

[umbral osprey]

not con , dex

dex saves are you "moving out" of an explosion or similar , cant move if you're unconsious

[ancient sun]

Didnt know thats how it worked

[proud pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[ancient sun]

but same fuckin modifier in my stats so the number i rolled doesnt change if jstn decides to be benevolent

[proud pebble]

Unconscious
An unconscious creature is incapacitated (cannot take actions or reactions), can’t move or speak, and is unaware of its surroundings
The creature drops whatever it’s holding and falls prone.
The creature automatically fails Strength and Dexterity saving throws.
Attack rolls against the creature have advantage.
Any attack that hits the creature is a critical hit if the attacker is within 5 feet of the creature.

[ancient sun]

also jesus fuckin christ that explosion will be massive if it hits all the way back behind the tent me and liger were at. Aint the last guys like 100ft away at this moment or sum shit

or whatever the fuck we need to dodge

i think elara might be dead

[umbral osprey]

unless the explosion does twice your max hp you wont die while unconsious and stable

and if it does we're actually all dead

[proud pebble]

I'm not

[umbral osprey]

right , cannon's tanky as fuck and he'll be the sole survivor

[ancient sun]

in hindsight, i shoulda prolly used my feat for the save on the thunder sword attack i suffered

woulda not been knocked out

[proud pebble]

all according to keikaku

[violet cave]

Yes.

[proud pebble]

glad I could help

[proud pebble]

also, it would only have to do his max hp in damage, because he's at 0 rn

[umbral osprey]

you REALLY want him dead huh

[ancient sun]

i will fucking kill cannon

[proud pebble]

I'm just pointing out the facts

It was your own decisions that lead you to this point

[umbral osprey]

i have a feeling ik who wins that pvp

[proud pebble]

you can try to kill be but mr skinny dick, no hp doesn't stand much of a chance

[ancient sun]

well whatever the fuck it is, assuming it'll happen near the spot where the last guy was killed, there's no way in hell it deals that much dmg so far out as i currently am

[proud pebble]

sure, keep that optimism

[ancient sun]

If my character dies, i will overtake whatever cannon had before his swap out of spite as compensation for him pointing out all these facts

[umbral osprey]

whats the damage of a thermonuclear bomb

[proud pebble]

yeah, no you won't

[proud pebble]

at least 4

[ancient sun]

there's no way a guy would make a thermonuclear bomb without clearing some shit like DC32 performance/survival checks cuz it would be hella hard to make one even as a rogue lvl 10 with insane stat boosts and expertise in tinkering tools

[proud pebble]

do I need to point out how easy it would be to kill Skarath as well?

[ancient sun]

Bitch i know you'll find a way to kill him even if i said you dont need to point it out just because of how spiteful you are

[violet cave]

so uhhhh

we just need @sudden frost and @burnt sorrel :3

all i did was ask for a dex save!

why are yall worried

[burnt sorrel]

7

[sudden frost]

21. I am proficient in those!

[proud pebble]

So:
Elara: auto fail
Liger: 22
Drake: 22
Yarromir: 15
Parb: 21
Sneke: 7

[neat dust]

no no i was at work i hadn't rolled at all

[proud pebble]

oh

well roll then

[neat dust]

just did

22

[violet cave]

So the good news is that

That's a lotta saves

[neat dust]

if i can i'm right next to elara so maybe i could help?

[violet cave]

That's the good news

Anyways we'll see what happens next session

[ancient sun]

Ye, i was gonna dm you something along those lines but it woulda been too metagamey so i didnt, glad you recalled that

pls come up with something

[neat dust]

i do not understand what metagaming is

[ancient sun]

Doing things that break the 4th wall

[neat dust]

why is it called metagaming and not just idk unimmersive?

[ancient sun]

so like using information that only one person should know as a group since its been told out of character but the other players' characters shouldnt know it

[ancient sun]

Dunno, dont care

[neat dust]

this is an issue i can have as i have no idea what only specific chars know

i know i know something only i know cuz justin dm'd me

[ancient sun]

i have no clue if i explained that right

[proud pebble]

metagaming is using knowledge from outside the game to affect what you do in game
the most common example is when a player knows a weakness that an enemy has and calls it out when their character would have no reason to know

[ancient sun]

thats a much better example

thx

[neat dust]

i see

i think i half understand

[proud pebble]

it's like if you're playing a game and think "there's probably a trap here because this is where game devs would put a trap"

[neat dust]

ah but my char isn't suposed to know that there is a trap there

[proud pebble]

exactly

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-18502656

[violet cave]

<@&1284336728831950879> Saturday's session will be extremely short because it's a continuation of the combat from before, you will see why

[neat dust]

3 hours before stream right?

[violet cave]

Yes

If you guys survive this combat everyone levels up to lvl 3!

[violet cave]

Yes 3 hours before stream. Maybe an hour and a half ish? Like I said this was combat that was supposed to be done last session but you guys went stealth mode and it paid off really well

[neat dust]

[violet cave]

@proud pebble you could not have come at a more funnier time

kai's BG3 run is going very..............scuffingly

[proud pebble]

Oh I knew that already

[violet cave]

how much do you know O_O

cuz it's been three streams of Kai hitting her head against all of Moonrise towers sound:1099105064842436629:1254920218275217459

[proud pebble]

I didn't know the 3 streams thing, I saw the first few when she was in act 1

[violet cave]

well how do i say this

Kai got to act 2 via the goblin camp

she accidentally picked a fight there and wiped out the cultists

she then walked to Moonrise on foot

failed three nat 1's with Z'rell and combat happened without taking a long rest inbetween

She had to fight the entirety of Moonrise Towers for three streams in a row

[proud pebble]

ah

[violet cave]

and then when combat was finally over, tunrs out her inventory is just all the gear she has including magic items

i think it's gonna be great

[proud pebble]

given changes to panda stream, what's the crack with the session?

[violet cave]

Welllll 11 AM PST is around 7pm GMT. That will be extremely early for those not in Europe

DAMN YOU MIYAZAKI

<@&1284336728831950879> let's put it to a vote, or if you want to do D&D today (or watch Jeannie)

[proud pebble]

if the session is short then could we squeeze it inbetween?

[violet cave]

Possibly

[proud pebble]

as in could we finish in an hour?

if it's just the end of combat

[violet cave]

.....see it's a Phase Two ......

[proud pebble]

boss music starts chanting latin

[violet cave]

If we're gonna do just an hour, it's doable but everyone's gonna have to lock in

[sudden frost]

"Ex noctem quod obvolvat me
Tenebris barathri de imo imo
Dei quis possent gratias ago
Ob animam meam invictam"

[burnt sorrel]

i can do the hour break but cant do during stream time. im bad at multi tasking so wouldn't be able to mod strem

[violet cave]

hmm alright we'll try for during the break then.

one hour, let's do it

[ancient sun]

When is teh start? My brother got sick so i have a few things to do so might take an hour

though im guessing its not gonna be for like 3 hrs

[neat dust]

a little confused but think it's in 3hours yeah

so thats 12pm for u

oh wait u use the same time as me so 24

[ancient sun]

yee, normal time rulesd

who cant count past 12

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[neat dust]

oh also i got confused with 12am/pm again

24 is 12am

confuses me

being used to the 24 hour clock it makes more sense to me for 24 to be 12pm then am

and mid day to be 12am cuz it's weird for it to go 11am-12pm-1pm

[violet cave]

<@&1284336728831950879> we start in 40 minutes

[violet cave]

@sudden frost @neat dust @umbral osprey

https://w2g.tv/?r=5ghq262ir0y64qybta

[umbral osprey]

@neat dust come here

[sudden frost]

the dichotomy of the dice:

[proud pebble]

This is me rn
https://youtu.be/SK9YpwF7ImM?si=VBv522xw4RsZC6PK

This is Elara
https://youtu.be/EwB2bv6HqkI?si=Dv10xua0Z1rR3X1E

[sudden frost]

14

[proud pebble]

15

[burnt sorrel]

7

[neat dust]

17

[umbral osprey]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/spells:wizard

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-excited-jumping-for-joy-gif-25375772

i'm excited to try my new thingies

[sudden frost]

I just multiclassed. Fear me if you dare.
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/ready-to-fight-puss-in-boots-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-ready-to-battle-fight-me-gif-27129462

[umbral osprey]

wait are you also a swashbuckler?

cuz if so i might swap off

[sudden frost]

Nah - I'll be inquisitive rogue eventually, though for the moment I picked up a level of cleric. Figured we need spare the dying more at the moment than extra sneeeek damage.

[umbral osprey]

ill become a sorc come level 5

[sudden frost]

And this is something Razina's been thinking about from the begining.

[umbral osprey]

but i want a feat first

[sudden frost]

Inquisitive rogue + knowledge domain cleric. Not super, but very character consistent.

Whacha doing for sorcerer class?

[umbral osprey]

draconic sorc

because i am a kobold

the only reason being that i want to eventually polymorph into a blue dragon

[sudden frost]

I prefer storm if I can get away with it, for the extra mobility. But the elemental affinity damage is noice.

[umbral osprey]

currently i am considering which feat to take next level , only requirement being that it has to give me +1 cha because i am sitting at 13

[sudden frost]

Dragon fear looks fun. Skill expert is always solid though. Dragon fear probably scales better than dragon hide because of the proficiency bonus incease, but it really depends on the character's motivations I guess.

[umbral osprey]

both dragon ones require me being a dragonborn

which i aint

[sudden frost]

Ah... Bummer. I thought kobolds counted

[umbral osprey]

if justin lets me take dragon hide i would , but i doubt he will

[sudden frost]

My b

Well, then it's probably down to resilient or skill expert right? Unless actor's mimicry thing is your jam.

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-bocchi-dance-anime-dance-anime-cute-dance-gif-8640564821222907754

2 sessions without a nat 20

i remembered i orignaly wanted disguise salf but i think my other choise might be better

[sudden frost]

You could use catapult with your duck.

[umbral osprey]

snek is the one with the duck

[sudden frost]

Even better.

Or you could use find familiar and try swapping ducks.

[neat dust]

i got silvery barbs, tashas's laughter and comprehend languages

[sudden frost]

Well, if you're going for maximum chaos, besides disguise self there's grease.

[ancient sun]

my terraria character im playing modded with my friends rn is named Fucking NAT 1. so far so good, ive not rolled a nat 1

[neat dust]

i wanna be a stealthy assassin but also wanna be usefull to the team

[sudden frost]

Since so many of us are rogues, if you put longstrider on us our max movement per turn would go from 90 to 120.

But safest option is probably absorb elements and shield

[neat dust]

i'v already picked out my thingies so maybe another next level if i get more slots

[umbral osprey]

val has feline agility , his movement is 120 already

[neat dust]

yup

[sudden frost]

Sorry. I just love silly ideas too much

[neat dust]

feline agility can only be used once per combat right?

[umbral osprey]

yes

[neat dust]

i did think about useing it earlier to get closer to the guy but decided to save it

nice to have to either rush to save someone or for me to runaway

[umbral osprey]

i think you had used it earlier to get to elara anyways

[neat dust]

oh right same combat

[sudden frost]

Now I want a wizard who uses catapult to throw his octopus familiar at enemies.

[neat dust]

is there a way for me to insta kill someone from stealth?

like if i roll to hit it's guarnteed deaht?

[sudden frost]

Guaranteed? Not really. But assassins and smites are pretty reliable.

[neat dust]

assassin is a skill or class?

[sudden frost]

Assassin is a rogue archetype

[neat dust]

can i still get that

[umbral osprey]

assassin is another rogue subclass val

[sudden frost]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/rogue:assassin

[umbral osprey]

no you cant you're an arcane trickster now

[sudden frost]

As an assasin, not only do you get sneak attack on surprised enemies, but you auto-crit.

And then at 17th level, because that wasn't enough, you double your damage again.

[neat dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuzen-kusuri-yakuzen-kusuri-cry-kusuri-cry-kusuri-tantrum-anime-tantrum-gif-10043222890593820787

give me both

[umbral osprey]

cant have 2 subclasses

[neat dust]

next time i'll go assassin

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-anime-girl-confused-anime-gif-18405578282768190353

[umbral osprey]

i mean you could still swap now

[sudden frost]

Xanathar's has guidance on how to switch subclasses if your DM approves it is reasonable. But you still can't hold two 'specializations' in the same class. You can't be two types of rogue.

And since you're only leveling now, as Lorddrake says...

[neat dust]

i'll stick to arcane trickster

assassin just sounds cooler and lv17 seems cool

atleast now i get to have fun with spells

[umbral osprey]

justin said we will end around lvl 11 anyways

[neat dust]

[violet cave]

12 if you're lucky

[proud pebble]

If I kill Elara, do I get more exp?

[violet cave]

No

[proud pebble]

drat

if I kill Krom do I get more exp?

[violet cave]

No, but you'd get his loot and probably a few arrest warrants

[proud pebble]

arrest warrants are like exp right?

[violet cave]

Hmmmm

Want to find out?

[sudden frost]

You can be like Pan Kmicic from the Deluge, and see how many warrants you can accrue before you're caught.

[proud pebble]

<@&1248006648744902809> same as last week folks, short session tonight, sorry for not saying before now, time is being weird XD

[ancient sun]

i got some very explosive diarrhea from eating something that was on the verge of spoiled

might be 10 mins late

[proud pebble]

[ancient sun]

dont worry

just feels a bit off

im gonna be fine

[violet cave]

https://youtu.be/t1Kc0xuYnfQ?t=1511

Okay so if the party screams really loudly together we can stop a wizard /s

[neat dust]

we are playing tomorrow right?

[violet cave]

<@&1284336728831950879> we have D&D tonight 3 hours before stream

[proud pebble]

Discord isn't wanting to work on my pc rn so might be some issues later if I can't fix it

[violet cave]

Rip

[proud pebble]

aight, it's kinda working but a little slow to load so we'll see

[burnt sorrel]

ima be 5-10mins late fams having a latee dinner -_-

[violet cave]

@sudden frost

[ancient sun]

this messge

[burnt sorrel]

george rn

17 for marie

[burnt sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

razina rn

[sudden frost]

Hey - I didn't think she'd be stupid enough to keep going.

[ancient sun]

Elara currently has:

• Mage armour
• Magic missle
• Tasha's caustic brew
• Identify
• Silvery barbs
• Hold person
  and
• Misty step

As her prepared spells

For the spells she has unprepared but can be prepared at any rest

• Feather fall
• Charm person
• Sleep

[spice bobcat]

suddenly a snail appears and starts gliding slowly towards you. you get a sense of impending doom as you notice it's neatly trimmed mustache and it's obvious intent as you're it's sole focus.

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-den-den-mushi-snail-transponder-snail-phone-gif-13359549885525946141

[umbral osprey]

scary

[sudden frost]

https://www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/iq-percentile-calculator.php

Thank you!

[neat dust]

a few days ago i saw a clip from a comedian i forgot the name of who asked what would u do if u couldn't fail?

[umbral osprey]

cure cancer

[neat dust]

it's more like u will succeed in becoming or doing whatever u want u won't get magic

u wanna start and have a successfull business u can do that

[umbral osprey]

yeah , so i am going to cure cancer

[proud pebble]

I would like to start a business casting magic spells

[neat dust]

i mean sure u can successfully start a business that has the goal of trying to do that

if u actualy cure cancer who knows

[umbral osprey]

no i am just going to research the cure and then do it

[neat dust]

question was asked cuz a woman hated her job and the manager so he asked that cuz the answer to that is what she should try to do

[umbral osprey]

if its a job then ill open a game dev studio

[proud pebble]

dunno what I would do

I don't exactly have a dream job

[violet cave]

<@&1284336728831950879> remember that there is no D&D for the next two weeks, the next one will take place at March 15

[proud pebble]

Is that going to include you playing in my game btw?

[violet cave]

uhhhh i dont think so no

[proud pebble]

cool, just making sure

if you need to miss a session, just let us know

[ancient sun]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGYJAFRxmC8/?igsh=MTFiYjdnbWJjbmxsZA==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCUa_OEy1Xq/?igsh=ZWhwbDMycndxa2xz

Need cannon to tell us if thats how those feel

[proud pebble]

are you asking me if getting 5 to 6 adults to agree to a time and place to meet up on a regular basis is hard?

[ancient sun]

yes

and if the nat20 acrobatics checks out

[proud pebble]

yes it is difficult to get 5 to 6 adult together on a regular basis

like wtf do you even want from me, you should know this just from trying to arrange a hangout with your friends

[ancient sun]

well you see, we are all very active so if one of us asks to hang out we can get it done super fast

[proud pebble]

oh yeah, I forgot you're a literal child who still has free time

[ancient sun]

:sadge

[spice bobcat]

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/dungeon-master-essentials-miniatures-scenery-bundle-software

[proud pebble]

<@&1248006648744902809> session tonight, hopefully gonna make it to Omu this time

[umbral osprey]

Beelines back to the port

[proud pebble]

I will end the campaign

[ancient sun]

goes straight down through the land of ashe and smoke to snapping turtle bay

[violet cave]

So about this uhhh March 3rd I won't be around

[proud pebble]

ok, that's fine

[ancient sun]

this week only thing that would make me late is if i fall asleep at my desk

[violet cave]

https://www.twitch.tv/sou_kaii/clip/EagerInventiveQuailPhilosoraptor-KYXpuS09_QvUWXzZ

[proud pebble]

Done the write-up and posted it

[sudden frost]

Hey, I didn't catch it, but did someone ask about a non D&D system they were considering?

[neat dust]

drake did

forgot what it was but he wanted to test somethingies and we are guinepigs

[umbral osprey]

I am making my own

[burnt sorrel]

there's no dnd today right?

[violet cave]

nope

[burnt sorrel]

not next week either right?

[violet cave]

nope

[violet cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/727097972369653810/1345155107343302717/sphereofannihilation.jpeg?ex=67c57f11&is=67c42d91&hm=c88fd4e196decacab621f7d470a8a5564a60b388ac18f59292e8b0d21c4c41ba&

[pastel idol]

drake won't be joining us today, he dealing with some important things

[violet cave]

I'm also not joining

[ancient sun]

he's got my spirit

[proud pebble]

no, you have fafo

she's just chaotic neutral

[ancient sun]

Fafo? Im guessing its like evil and evil or something

[proud pebble]

no

you fuck around, find out

[ancient sun]

oooooooh

oh yeah now it makes sense

yeah checks out

[violet cave]

Yooo I'm gonna be finally free to return back to ToA

<@&1284336728831950879> returns this Saturday, 3 hours before Jeannie stream

[violet cave]

Reminder that we are resuming with @umbral osprey and @burnt sorrel scouting the path ahead before bringing the rest of the group

[ancient sun]

sweet, imma forget that by then

[violet cave]

The target is to reach the Lizardfolk cities of Quovalis and Argus

[ancient sun]

why remind us so early

[violet cave]

This is my desperate attempt to tell everyone, please have an idea of what you guys want to do

[proud pebble]

because f you in particular

[ancient sun]

come over and we'll get started

[ancient sun]

[proud pebble]

sorry, I only sleep with legal adults

[ancient sun]

Oh right i forgot yall dont use normal scales like the rest of us for being a legal adult. Im guessing when you start learning the bagpipe and wear kilts, thats when youll come for me. Better get on it

[proud pebble]

I can already do both of those things, you're just a literal child

[ancient sun]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-fubuki-hololive-gif-19314842

I mean if adulthood is determined by when i can play the bagpipe and wear a kilt nicely then ifc im a child. So like i said, i better get on those things

but sure i'll gladly stay a child longer. I dont want to have to pay taxes

adulthood sucks anyway

Studying is waaay more fun than work and paying taxes

[proud pebble]

see this is why you'll never do well as a Brit, you're taking the insults was too seiously and putting too much effort it

[sudden frost]

Me when other people argue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3YiPC91QUk&t=50s

[proud pebble]

"I FEEL HAPPY"

[violet cave]

The gloves will gradually come off when the party begins to use tactics (the infiltration through the League outpost was shockingly well done)

[proud pebble]

so the less smart we are, the easier the game will be

[umbral osprey]

cannon's gonna run face first into every enemy from now on

[sudden frost]

Nah. Don't guarantee anything one player or strat fails. That removes player choice. Just make ALL enemies more perceptive so it's harder to get the drop on them.

A good game is like a sonnet. It can be about blueberry muffins. It just won't work as well as a sonnet if it's about blueberry muffins. But you can still make it work.

[proud pebble]

counter point: I cast BONK

[sudden frost]

I was working for a few hours one day on a D&D system replacement, which is why the Lord's suggestion was interesting. I always wanted physical and magical systems to have three channels / schools / focusses.

Like, dnd has all the spell schools, but I wanted everything to be based off knowledge/jive/will. Knowledge is the science and memorization type, jive is the rhythm and charisma type, and will is the faith and will type.

For physical it would be closest to dex/str/con. But there are no dex based weapons. dex determines things like number of attacks and bonus to hit. Str is the barrier to weilding most weapons effectively, as well as bows. con directly effects the damage taken on hit.

To hit: your dex plus roll has to beat the opponent's dex. If you overcome by a certain amount you crit. On hit strength adds to your damage, but is decreased by the opponent's con

[umbral osprey]

if you're interested here is how the stat system in mine works you have these skill checks and you get points in them as you choose character traits , which then determine your overall score in a certain stat you can have a max of 4 points in any given check

[sudden frost]

I like the mysticism and resilience. They way they connect to the substats is intuitive.

[umbral osprey]

now that i started sharing might as well share my weapon system names are a WIP

there is a weapon for each of the combinations , for a total of like 80 weapon types

[sudden frost]

Flexible length weapons like wukong's staff?

or whips?

[umbral osprey]

more like whips and flails

[sudden frost]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urumi

[proud pebble]

can I call using an edge weapon edging?

[sudden frost]

Only with horn weapons.

[umbral osprey]

way ahead of you

i am a historical weapon nut , you wouldnt be able to sneak one by me

[umbral osprey]

i'd rather you didnt , but you could

[sudden frost]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrailleuse

[proud pebble]

can I be an edge lord then?

[umbral osprey]

i know about it , but too modern i dont want firearms

[umbral osprey]

sure

[sudden frost]

The real reason batman never gets with the ladies is he spends too much time being an edgelord.

[umbral osprey]

the furthest in gun tech i'd allow is a flintlock and it would just be a reflavoured crossbow probably

[sudden frost]

we allowed harmonica guns in the steampunk setting I was in. But we also had primitive steam engines.

The easiest thing to assume in setting is that gunpowder interacts with magic such that a bunch of our IRL compounds are too explosive ingame to be useful. Or barely explosive at all

In Naria there is some suggestion that the atmospheric oxygen content is high. This would make the discovery of gunpowder... difficult.

[umbral osprey]

i dont plan to run the game i will test the system in at my own setting , but in my setting gunpowder is 1/100th as chemically potent so you need a shit ton of it to make anything go boom , making cannons possible but no handguns,rifles etc

[sudden frost]

It's entirely possible that explosives could burn with their full caloric energy, just at a dramatically slower rate. So burning gunpowder would be like burning C4. Not very exciting.

[proud pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-snap-inevitable-marvel-avengers-endgame-gif-14599588

[sudden frost]

Thanos snaps:
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/skyrim-awake-discord-skyrim-intro-skyrim-intro-discord-gif-22633629

[umbral osprey]

i only need to make an armor system and then i can start writing the traits but i cant come up with an armor system i like ngl

[proud pebble]

just use THACO objectively the best system ever designed

[umbral osprey]

elaborate

[proud pebble]

To hit armour class 0

[umbral osprey]

so everything just hits?

[proud pebble]

ha

no

https://dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki/THAC0

[sudden frost]

I was using increase in armor decreases damage received (percentage maybe) but decreases dex, or in extreme cases str (because it hampers movement). magical armor = fewer problems, and may actually increaase str, like a mech suit

[umbral osprey]

i feel like this is too much math

[sudden frost]

"The target's armor class is subtracted from the attacker's THAC0 when determining a hit"

[umbral osprey]

but maybe

[proud pebble]

it is

I was joking

it sucks

[umbral osprey]

ah

[proud pebble]

don't use it

[sudden frost]

I would limit the number of things going into any number to three.

So if to hit = d20 and two modifiers, okay

But once there are more than two modifiers in play, gets too messy

[umbral osprey]

i am actually trying to stick with 2 , just the dice roll and a mod

but its rough

[sudden frost]

Like in D&D it's the d20, armor class, and str or dex

[proud pebble]

the two best ways I've seen are D&D and Vampire

[sudden frost]

But high level D&D has proficiency mod... too many things

[proud pebble]

I meant specifically for AC I was thinking

[umbral osprey]

i am playing with a lot more dice tho , like you dont always roll a d20 in a check , the better you are at a particular skill the better the dice you get to roll

0 points 1 point 2 3 and 4 in a check

[sudden frost]

One way to cricumvent high level proficiency is to just give the player a bigger die. Like daggers start at a d4, but a high level dude gets to use a d20

[proud pebble]

you could have a system where "avoiding" or "blocking" attacks is a skill on it's own, effected by the armour the character is wearing

so attacks are a roll off

maybe

[sudden frost]

Ya - armor should decrease hit avoidance, but also decrease damage taken

[umbral osprey]

thing is i am trying to emphasise choice , so you can actually choose to get hit by an attack to get a grapple , which is kinda what ill base the barbarian's identity around , not giving a fuck about getting hit to get bonuses

[proud pebble]

maybe avoiding or blocking is just one of the choices

but is still affected by armour

[umbral osprey]

maybe

i was doing that part after going through the armor class , but maybe that was why it felt bad

made the armor feel redundant

[proud pebble]

if there's a choice to take a hit for a bonus then there should be a choice to avoid

[umbral osprey]

oh yeah the current options after your ac gets beat are
1- dodge : beat atk roll with acrobatics to move 1 m and take no damage
2- grab : beat atk roll with constitution to grapple and take half damage
3- block (only with shield) : beat atk roll with athletics to stop it entirely and then you get a counter attack
4- parry (only with weapon) : beat atk roll with sleight of hand to stop it and then you get a counter attack

the cost to doing these being a reaction point , which you get from traits

[proud pebble]

basically I would just make dodge be a "skill" like the others based on the armour you wear

maybe make it be a "free reaction" but you only get half the dice pool if you don't spend the reaction point

[umbral osprey]

interesting idea

[proud pebble]

just kind of, it's always an option to get out of the way

but it's a desperation move

[umbral osprey]

yeah cuz the current system does allow for you to get overwhelmed by a bunch of attacks and then you gotta pray your armor does the job

in which case if you're wearing cloth you're fucked

and i dont add dex to AC so you're litearlly just fucked

[proud pebble]

maybe need a slightly different name for dodge tho

because dodge indicates you're just getting out of the way

no wait, never mind

armour reduces damage

doi

[umbral osprey]

oo this also allows for diff resistances based on armor type

[proud pebble]

yeah

[umbral osprey]

more customization

[proud pebble]

armour doesn't prevent you from getting hit but it reduces damage by potentially a lot depending on type

like heavy armour, prevents almost all damage but basically can't dodge attacks

[umbral osprey]

heavy armor would require high strenght score and since dodge uses a dex skill you'd not be good at both unless you invest heavily into it anyways

like currently to wear plate you require a whooping 10 points in strenght skills

[proud pebble]

if we assume dodge is a skill like the others:
leather armour gives 3D8 adding dex
plate armour gives 1D10 adding dex

as an example

but plate armour reduces damage by 6(?)
while leather reduces damage by 1(?)

[umbral osprey]

it'd just be a modifier on your acrobatics straight up , because a dude in plate doing acroabtics is ... not possible

[proud pebble]

so leather makes you way harder to hit but when you do , you take way more damage

just thinking out loud

so to speak

[umbral osprey]

yeah you're helping actually

[proud pebble]

to me, having armour just apply a modifier to acrobatics makes it less of an interesting choice

while having it be responsible for the dice pool/dmg reduction makes it matter a lot more

imo

[umbral osprey]

this is what i got as a preliminary with this idea

[umbral osprey]

it just fits into the rest of the vision much better like this , but ill consider it

oops i fucked up on the heavy

its meant to be -10 -5

[proud pebble]

I assume armour affinity is how hard you are to hit or something?

[umbral osprey]

affinity is what damage types the specefic armor you're wearing in the armor class is resistant too

[proud pebble]

ahh gotcha

[umbral osprey]

so plate would be resistant to slashing but weak to blunt for example

[proud pebble]

so wearing light armour would give me only a -2 to acrobatics to dodge but when I get hit, it only reduces damage by 2 for certain types
but wear heavy armour gives me a -10 to dodge but reduces damage by 10 for slashing and by 5 for blunt

[umbral osprey]

yep

well specefically plate

there would be other heavy armors for different damage types

like say mail might be good into blunt but bad into pierce

while still being heavy

[proud pebble]

ok makes sense

I will say that you might be overloading the importance of DEX in that case

the damage reduction needs to be as good to consistently have, as having good odds to take no damage

[umbral osprey]

fair

[proud pebble]

otherwise having high dex and low armour is objectivly better

like in D&D how DEX is always a better stat then strength is

[umbral osprey]

str chars will have more reactions to spend tho with this system cuz they dont need to doge

dodge*

[proud pebble]

true

just saying it seems like a balance would be hard to find

[umbral osprey]

yep

numbers would be adjusted

[proud pebble]

sounds like "someone" will have to do a lot of playtesting...

[umbral osprey]

Yep just gotta finish the rest first

Tons of playtesting is what you sign up for whenever you're designing a game , only for it to be broken anyways by something you could never have thought of by players

[pastel idol]

no counter or reversion? monk cries in the corner

[proud pebble]

I'd imagine those would be the base/generic options with more being avalible from feats or class

[pastel idol]

I like that drake's thing makes me feel like when you're excitedly waiting for a new game

the one thing in normal dnd I'm not too much a fan of, is how life cleric, the supposedly specialized healer/support among the support classes
doesn't have a single defensive reaction(like the metal dragon feat lets you use a reaction to add your proficiency to someone's armour class once per turn)

[umbral osprey]

As cannon said , more options given by class traits are definitely on the table one of the class fantasies I plan to include is a character that doesn't do much on its own turn but can react to most of anything on the battle

[umbral osprey]

having someone excited for my game is a first

[proud pebble]

now there's pressure

but for the record, I am also looking forward to getting to try this out

[umbral osprey]

The pressure is mounting

[umbral osprey]

Btw @proud pebble are we accounting for DLS or just doing normal time?

[proud pebble]

normal time for us

unless you've had dls apply

[umbral osprey]

Nope mine is in may

[violet cave]

but Aizo, you can just hold your spell as a readied action

You could say, cast shield of faith as a bonus action and then hold your action and set it up to (hypothetically) cast Command: drop if an enemy goes to attack your teammate

[pastel idol]

this only works if you know which ally is going to be attacked, since held actions have to be specific
like; "hold command until [insert name of ally] is approached" -- works this way since held actions are based on an outcome you've predetermined will happen. otherwise there'd be no need for actual "reactions"

unless you're playing with an extremely kind/forgiving dm

[proud pebble]

you can say "hold command until AN ally is approached"

[pastel idol]

cannon is a kind dm

[proud pebble]

you should know that by now XD

I could still screw you over tho

I could approach with a goblin first instead of the boss monster

[violet cave]

think of holding spells like a genie's wish

word it right and it pays off, word it wrong and OOPS

[ancient sun]

March 30th over here

[violet cave]

eg. I had a paladin in a campaign that cast searing smite on their greatsword but held their attack action, saying "If X person we were fighting moves within 10 feet of me, I will take the attack action and swing at them"

[violet cave]

Anyways she dealt 120 damage in a single turn

[burnt sorrel]

are yall starting in like 10, or an hour and 10?

[ancient sun]

idfki sure hope its an hour from now

or ill be late

[burnt sorrel]

well if you're still planning on starting when jeannie normally streams it will be in 10mins

so depends if you are working on US or EU time

[umbral osprey]

in an hour

[scarlet crescent]

ah hour? well then, guess I'll cook some dinner rq

darn daylight savings

[proud pebble]

I'm up

[scarlet crescent]

congrats, we're so proud of you

[violet cave]

drying my hair atm

be ther ein 10

@proud pebble feel free to start without me

[pastel idol]

I don't know all the legendary items in dnd, but are any of them actually as good as the book of exalted deeds?

[proud pebble]

the book of Vile Darkness is equally as good

[spice bobcat]

deck of many things

[ancient sun]

Pulls out a card that summons an otherworldy god from deck of many things

[violet cave]

No the decks of many things are there to destroy the game

[pastel idol]

book of vile deeds is the offensive counterpart, right?

[proud pebble]

maybe for funsies, after the campaign is over, we do a oneshot where it's just you guys with a deck of many things

[proud pebble]

yee

well, evil counterpart anyway

[pastel idol]

and everyone has to be wild magic sorcerer/barbs

[proud pebble]

https://dnd5e.wikidot.com/wondrous-items:book-of-vile-darkness

[pastel idol]

the "enlightened magic" part of the book of exalted deeds is just too good
even if it didn't have the beneficial properties, halo, and ability score increase

[proud pebble]

I imagine at the end of time, the gods are dead and all that is left is two paladins, one evil, one good, each holding their respective books
They meet for one final battle between good and evil
The oathbreaker paladin, champion of evil
The devotion paladin, champion of good

[pastel idol]

that'd be a story I'd read

[pastel idol]

updated my redemption paladin as well

paladins are so overpowered

even if this one is a pacifist

[proud pebble]

honestly just the aura of protection is one of the most op things in the game

[pastel idol]

rogue/paladin multiclass for never getting hit

[proud pebble]

paldain/monk would also work very well

[umbral osprey]

Not two paladins , a rouge and a cleric

[proud pebble]

nah paladin is better

no gods so no cleric to start with

oathbreaker paladin fits the book immensly well themeatically

[umbral osprey]

fair

[proud pebble]

ok, guess what the wisdom save for the good aligned paladin is

[umbral osprey]

Yes

[proud pebble]

actual number

[umbral osprey]

Simply yes

[proud pebble]

remember prof bonus is +6

[umbral osprey]

Would be somewhere in the high 20s or low 30s depending on his wiz stat

[proud pebble]

+17 with advantage

[umbral osprey]

Lower than I thought

[proud pebble]

but advantage

[umbral osprey]

Yeh

[proud pebble]

also save DC at lv 20 is usually around the 20 - 22 mark

so still only needs to roll a 3 - 5+ on 2 D20s

[umbral osprey]

[proud pebble]

also can't be frightened, charmed or dieseased

[umbral osprey]

How high is thier ac

[proud pebble]

this version has resistance to all physical damage, radiant, necrotic
immune to prone
40ft speed
30ft fly speed
AC of 22
193HP

[umbral osprey]

Assuming 20 str they'd both have +11 to hit so 22 is actually the exact half way point

Unless they got magic swords then it becomes easier

Fuck it , give em both holy avengers

[proud pebble]

damage is a little low unless he's against undead or fiends tho

against normal enemies:
1D10 + 1D8 + 8 +20 (no spells or buffs) (+20 is only on one attack)

against fiends or undead:
3D10 + 1D8 + 8 +20 (no spells or buffs) (+20 is only on one attack)

Main buff gives a radius of +10 radiant damage
Smite is an option (lv1 cast does extra 2D8 damage)
I've not calculated other possible buffs

[umbral osprey]

"A little low" base of 30

[proud pebble]

30 for one attack

then the next attack does a base of 10

picking other spells now

[pastel idol]

if you make the good paladin a redemption paladin, at 20th level they get resistance to all damage dealt by other creatures
and although they cannot actively hit the evil paladin, they return all damage they take back to the aggressor

also each turn they start below half health, they restore themselves by 1d6 + 10 health
because of protective spirit

[proud pebble]

ok, best buff for consistent damage: holy weapon for +2d8 radiant damage per hit
normal enemies: 1D10 + 3D8 + 8 +20 (first hit) +6D8 (lv5 smite)
Fiend or undead: 3D10 + 3D8 + 8 +20 (first hit) +6D8 (lv5 smite)

best buff for burst is banishing smite for +5D10 force damage
normal enemies: 6D10 + 1D8 +8 +20 (first hit) +7D8 (lv5 smite)
Fiend or Undead: 8D10 +1D8 +8 +20 (first hit) +7D8 (lv5 smite)

[umbral osprey]

Smite gets an extra D8 on undead which you forgor

[proud pebble]

there

so max burst damage on a fiend or undead assuming crit + max damage: 2(80 + 8 + 56) +8 +20 = 316 damage

[umbral osprey]

[proud pebble]

that's enough to straight up one shot 2 of the demon lords, CR23 monsters

[umbral osprey]

I mean the odds of rolling that are like next to nothing tbf

[proud pebble]

it's also enough to one shot ALL BUT ONE of the Archdevils

the only one who isn't oneshot is Zariel, a CR26 monster

[umbral osprey]

Damn , she tanky

[proud pebble]

she has 560 health on average

[umbral osprey]

Wait zariel is tankier than asmodeus?

[proud pebble]

he doesn't have stat iirc

[umbral osprey]

Ah

[proud pebble]

no wait, he does

he has 725 hp

[umbral osprey]

Even the writers don't think the players are crazy enough to fuck with him I guess

Nvm

[proud pebble]

CR30 monster

he also can't actually die

if you beat him, he comes back

the whole evil never truely dies thing

[pastel idol]

true polymorph - salmon

[umbral osprey]

He probably comes with enough legendary resistances to last more than your spell slots

[pastel idol]

I don't think anything has more than 3 legendary resistances, although creatures considered "gods"
restore all legendary resistances at the top of each round

is asmodeus a "god"?

[proud pebble]

depends on who you ask