Draft Discussion No.22

[shrewd adder]

Ur turn anyways

[ocean wasp]

Nah on god someone took ozil

Oh ok so luis suarez is taken by white

@ruby gull i think its ur turn, white takes suarez

[shrewd adder]

Nope

[ocean wasp]

Nah nah nah i wld hv went for him instead of owen

BRUHHHH

[shrewd adder]

😏

[trail gyro]

Ill cha ge later i toom him sinxe im hes taken im hella busy url due to an emergency case

Jst make macan pick

[shrewd adder]

Ok

[shrewd adder]

@ruby gull 12 hours

[carmine pollen]

Yeah right.
Can't have 2 am 😆

[light viper]

Hmm how'd nipun make picks before white lol

[ruby gull]

@fierce pond 12 hours

Took Oscar Ruggeri

[trail gyro]

No

[trail gyro]

ok im back now

[trail gyro]

im taking midfielder suarez btw now the striker one

also my u pick is andreas ulmer

austrian legend

[ocean wasp]

Wtf that guy is ancient

[ocean wasp]

U can actually

[trail gyro]

And he also won a ballon d'or and was a phenomenal midfielder

[carmine pollen]

Nope.
I have winger and fullbacks.
There's no formation to accommodate 2 am with them.

And I can't let someone take Ronaldinho and push my Nedved to 2nd place.

[trail gyro]

lol

but neymar would prolly be ranked above nedved tho 🤔

[carmine pollen]

I doubt it

[paper fog]

Mb guys

I was sleeping and i had uni 😭

Sorry

[trail gyro]

alg happens lol

[fierce pond]

@carmine pollen Go

Took Edgar Davids

Goggles guy

[carmine pollen]

@clever quarry your turn

Took Hansen

[ocean wasp]

Wait i just realised i missed the letter H

I was going in order and missed it ;-;

[carmine pollen]

[ocean wasp]

Bruh @clever quarry rmb to ping and that guy is ur 7th pick

Anyways @light viper ur turn

[shrewd adder]

I'd never thought you'd change ur pfp

I'm surprised

[light viper]

@digital silo Go

[ocean wasp]

He never left my pfp bro

He always been here

[digital silo]

@ocean wasp

[shrewd adder]

Wdym, about the anime guy?

[ocean wasp]

err he left

[shrewd adder]

Wdym

[ocean wasp]

I pick hierro

@hard bluff go

[ocean wasp]

idk rn david neres is the goat

https://tenor.com/view/neres-david-neres-neres-napoli-napoli-ssc-napoli-gif-1975420049214046189

[shrewd adder]

I kinda want to use someone from Avatar as my pfp

But I like mine still

[ocean wasp]

Wait wtf u picked hierro??!

I pick henry instead

[shrewd adder]

Taken surely

[light viper]

Thought he was taken a while ago?

[ocean wasp]

Bruh

[shrewd adder]

White has him

[shrewd adder]

He was indeed

[ocean wasp]

Screw this order thing

I go desailly

Screw H

[shrewd adder]

Lol

[light viper]

I been a psychic this draft at times 😂

Took elo next pick twice 💀

[shrewd adder]

Scirea and who?

[carmine pollen]

Soneone he abandoned for someone else

[carmine pollen]

This guy

[shrewd adder]

Ah

[hard bluff]

@ocean wasp 12hrs

[ocean wasp]

@digital silo go

[ocean wasp]

Oh btw bro hierro is taken and only commonly known name so carlos not allowed

[light viper]

See knew everyone below was going hierro next 😉

[shrewd adder]

Bolton legend

[light viper]

Was the last pick I wanted for h tbh lol

Henry,Hansen or hierro

[ocean wasp]

bruh i didnt even know we had to take h, i wld hv taken hierro or hansen as 5th pick

And i change my 8th pick, i go phil neal

I need rb or else im screwed

[hard bluff]

da silva rocha is his last name bro

carlos is not his last name

[ocean wasp]

Ye but for brazilians, i think we going for commonly known names like pele kaka nazario etc

Idk ask nipun

[hard bluff]

imma check with nipun

im pretty screwed for the draft 😭

@shrewd adder does my roberto carlos pick count

[ocean wasp]

Same idh a H pick

[hard bluff]

took neeskens instead of hierro then

[light viper]

This

[hard bluff]

oh well

ill switch out roberto carlos bc I just thought of someone else

[light viper]

Assume Ur going 4-4-2 with two strikers at wingers

[hard bluff]

depends if I can find a RW

cant think of any rn

[trail gyro]

i suggest the latest ballon d'or winner

[light viper]

True or the one who left that club for free

Ngl the rw options are pretty bad lol

With these letters at least.

Matthews, Messi and cr7

Best garrincha etc wrong letters

Figo

Beckham

[hard bluff]

was awful before he went to psg though

his barca days would weigh him down a lot

[trail gyro]

ye thts true

[carmine pollen]

Luckily I picked Hansen first.
If not, you would have stole him.

[carmine pollen]

Well, actually there's someone with your name on RW.
But then I choose Hansen instead.

[digital silo]

@light viper

[hard bluff]

@digital silo what do those abbreviations mean

[digital silo]

What?

[hard bluff]

ZAG PD VOL LE

what do they mean

[light viper]

@clever quarry go

[light viper]

He's Portuguese

[hard bluff]

what do they mean though

bc darmian can play RB and RM

[light viper]

LD is rb

Le left back

[hard bluff]

i was wondering why both mendy and darmian were on hte left lol

makes sense

thanks

[shrewd adder]

Carlos is C

[light viper]

Fixed long ago

[shrewd adder]

Had to be done when I was sleeping

[hard bluff]

yh i thought you wouldnt allow it

so i just changed it early

bc i thought of de gea

[clever quarry]

@carmine pollen

[willow cave]

@shrewd adder I'll be back for the next draft

[carmine pollen]

@fierce pond your turn

Took di Maria

[shrewd adder]

Sweet

[fierce pond]

Took Samir Handanovic

[shrewd adder]

Hes out of the draft

@ruby gull ur turn

[fierce pond]

Oh

[ruby gull]

@trail gyro Ur turn

Took Wim Suurbier

[trail gyro]

@shrewd adder took dunga

brazilians are such ez picks

[shrewd adder]

@trail gyro U again

[trail gyro]

@ruby gull go

took pepe

[ruby gull]

@fierce pond go

Took Domingos da Guia

[hard bluff]

@ruby gull da guia retired before 1950

u might wanna change him

[carmine pollen]

Yeah, performance before 50 aren't counted.
Otherwise, Nasazzi would be great pick

[fierce pond]

@carmine pollen Go

[carmine pollen]

@clever quarry your turn

Took Overath

[light viper]

Yep 😭

First world cup winners and captain

[shrewd adder]

12 hours

[clever quarry]

@carmine pollen

[shrewd adder]

It's not his turn

[clever quarry]

Of course i was blind

[hard bluff]

@shrewd adder how many games does a player have to be to qualify for a position

[shrewd adder]

At least 33%

[hard bluff]

bru

if only it was 20% 😭

i could move ronaldo to RW

[light viper]

@digital silo Go

[hard bluff]

huh

how is lucio still not taken??

thats crazy

[fierce pond]

Why we helping others out

Lol

[light viper]

I took him lol

[fierce pond]

Oh

Lol

[shrewd adder]

I took Hummels before Lucio 🤦🏽‍♂️

[hard bluff]

i am a kind soul

https://tenor.com/view/white-dog-fluffy-cute-dog-animal-cute-dog-gif-15287880794568920022

[shrewd adder]

This is NOT u

[ruby gull]

He played in 1950s before retired

Nvm

Duck it

[ruby gull]

I'm in school

Oh I'm busy

[trail gyro]

My next pick 😭

[ruby gull]

Fixed now

I choose Traianos Dellas

[ocean wasp]

Ok so alemao picked eze

And i go hyypia

And look at my cdm picking order

@hard bluff go

[hard bluff]

@ocean wasp 12hrs

[carmine pollen]

The only letters I'm missing, people already used them.
So, the available players are mine

[ocean wasp]

Lineker

@digital silo go

[ocean wasp]

Ye that cld hv been my situation if i didnt do that order bs thing at the start

[digital silo]

@light viper

[light viper]

@clever quarry go

@digital silo @shrewd adder pretty sure whoever took Michael laudrup was removed?

[clever quarry]

@carmine pollen

[shrewd adder]

Yes

He needs to change Laudrup

[light viper]

U didn't edit Ur team 💀@clever quarry

[clever quarry]

Wait huh?

Its okay if i edit my team if i wasnt my turn

[digital silo]

Why? In the others, I only saw his brother's name, Brian Laudrup!

[clever quarry]

Oh

Oops

[shrewd adder]

@digital silo

[light viper]

U only have 9 players not 10 but tagged elo@clever quarry

[shrewd adder]

You have 56 minutes

[clever quarry]

Oios

Oops,

[clever quarry]

So i have to took two player now?

[shrewd adder]

We're in round 10

[light viper]

Pick 1

[clever quarry]

Ight done

[carmine pollen]

I took Luis Suarez 🇺🇾

@fierce pond your turn

[trail gyro]

good pick

[carmine pollen]

Well, all S and P are available for me.
You guys already have your picks.

[trail gyro]

yee tru

im surprised he lasted this long since i took his midfield counter part lol

[carmine pollen]

@digital silo There's no E in the list

[digital silo]

corrected

[hard bluff]

lobotka

reminds me of laertis 😭💀

[prisma kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-ishowspeed-speeding-please-speed-i-need-this-ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-16620227105127147208

[light viper]

R9 still being down as Nazareth 😭

[fierce pond]

@ruby gull go

[shrewd adder]

Ur lucky I let him go from my team

[fierce pond]

I'm so out of ideas for O and U

[shrewd adder]

I have L and D

[light viper]

For d

[shrewd adder]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[hard bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-scared-fright-gif-1407771759511089766

freaky curt

[shrewd adder]

Hes an unc

[hard bluff]

fr

[shrewd adder]

Man's 27 and still making deez nuts jokes 😭

[light viper]

Dietz nuts actually.

[shrewd adder]

Doesn't make it better

[light viper]

https://tenor.com/view/shush-themask-gif-18438239

[hard bluff]

gotta respect what the guy absolutely loves

[shrewd adder]

Also, technically it's N

Dietz is the first name

[ruby gull]

OH NAWWW I HAVE U AND I LEFT

@trail gyro Go

[shrewd adder]

@fierce pond you have 2 9th picks

[ruby gull]

Took Julio César Uribe

W aston villa

Comeback against west ham

[shrewd adder]

Morgan Rogers

[ruby gull]

https://tenor.com/view/avfc-aston-villa-morgan-rogers-villa-avfc-goal-gif-7960304022642338921

[light viper]

Fpl pointsssss

[carmine pollen]

Oh, you got Urruti in his place?
I was also considering him for my GK.

[shrewd adder]

And upgraded to Hummels, if I knew about Lucio being available, I would've taken him

[carmine pollen]

Haha yeah.
I knew but already have Lahm

[hard bluff]

was gonna take him too but I went with lewa instead

originally I had lenglet lol

[shrewd adder]

L and D to finish my midfield should be interesting

[hard bluff]

cm or dm

[shrewd adder]

For my formation I have no idea

I've been winging it the entire draft

[hard bluff]

[carmine pollen]

Take D for Am.
Obvious pick.
Too bad I don't have room for another Am.

[shrewd adder]

Do I have room for 2 AMs

Cause ik who you're talking about

[light viper]

No cm/cdms

With a back 5 and 2 strikers 💀

Wait

Should work

[shrewd adder]

1 CM 2 CAMs?

[light viper]

That's basically how we played today

😂😂

[shrewd adder]

Or 1 CDM?

[light viper]

Hmm

[carmine pollen]

Oh, 2 st.
I don't think so then.

[carmine pollen]

It exists?

[light viper]

Idk

We basically didn't defend our midfield

And had a back 5

💀

Technically we played a striker 4 cam 2 wingbacks and 3 CB

Or looked that way

[ocean wasp]

89 free hit pts this week

I enter top 2 million for the first time this season bois

[carmine pollen]

I also considered another player for my St.
But idk if he played enough as st.
Transfetmarkt doesn't show it.

[trail gyro]

Took ivanovic

@shrewd adder go

[shrewd adder]

Hes taken

[trail gyro]

Ugot strike fr

[shrewd adder]

Yeah ik, someone needed my help and then I needed to shower as well

Oh well

[trail gyro]

Alg

Lmk when u finish picking

[shrewd adder]

Lucas Leiva can't be a CB

[trail gyro]

Aww

[trail gyro]

Changed to laporte btw

Also check this cees lok guy 🤣

[shrewd adder]

I'm finally done

[ocean wasp]

Yo bro cf can be cam right?

[shrewd adder]

U mean SS/CAM?

[ocean wasp]

Like can CF be SS or CAM?

[shrewd adder]

CF is ST on transfermarkt

[ocean wasp]

oh

welp ok

[trail gyro]

@ruby gull took denis irwin

[light viper]

Wasn't he taken ages ago? Possibly a drop out

@trail gyro Spikez has irwin

[trail gyro]

Changed to Iovan

Guy won Champions league with romanian team

Well the european champion clubs cup was its name then ig

[light viper]

I left worst letter to last to get an L pick for it anyway

Cuz regardless they was gonna rank low xD

Was torn between a third CB with u or a rb

[trail gyro]

U is bad ye

Smh nipun did us dirty with u

[carmine pollen]

Yeah letter U is just consists of averages

[ruby gull]

@fierce pond 12 hourssss

Took Valentin Ivanov

Ussr

[fierce pond]

Swapped Udogie for LB and Ricardo Oliveira

@carmine pollen Go

[carmine pollen]

@clever quarry your turn

I took Pfaff

[fierce pond]

Is that name just pronounced faff

Or puh-faff

Or pass

Or fass

[carmine pollen]

Idk, probably fapp or something

[ocean wasp]

So savi picked inzaghi

So @light viper turn

[shrewd adder]

I thought he picked Flippo Inzaghi

Jus realised its Simone Inzaghi

[trail gyro]

Lool

[carmine pollen]

Simone Inzaghi as CB?
Is it because my knowledge is lacking that I have no idea which Inzaghi plays as Cb?

[shrewd adder]

Ik Pippo was a ST

[carmine pollen]

So does Lazio's Inzaghi

Wondering if they have the 3rd sibling

[shrewd adder]

They're both strikers

@clever quarry Simone Inzaghi is a ST, why are you playing him CB?

[carmine pollen]

There are only 2 remaining CB starts with I, that I know of.

[shrewd adder]

Hmm, should be interesting to see who he picks

[carmine pollen]

Also Curt's Rb that starts with U.
I have no idea that such player exists.

[shrewd adder]

It's probably bad and very niche

[light viper]

Japanese played for schalke ..Atsuto Uchida

Twice bundesliga tots

[carmine pollen]

Alright.
Not too bad ig.

[light viper]

Oops @digital silo Ur go

Forgot tag

[digital silo]

@ocean wasp go

[ocean wasp]

Rivaldo

@hard bluff go

[clever quarry]

I DONT KNOW BECAUSE I SOMEHOW RUNNING OUT OF IDEAS

[trail gyro]

put him at cb itself fr

[clever quarry]

Yeah

[hard bluff]

NO UDOGIES TAKEN

NO

ULMER TAKEN TOO??

oh well

unsworth

@shrewd adder all done

[trail gyro]

my austrian goat

better than udogie tbh

[hard bluff]

farmers league though

[trail gyro]

udogie doesnt even play good

also no austrian leagues good tbh

[hard bluff]

salzburg literally wins every year

lowkey think unsworth isnt a bad pick for 11th round

he won the fa cup and community shield

[light viper]

Thought he was picked by a drop out?

[hard bluff]

wait what

i thought it was upson who got picked

[trail gyro]

jst checked and nope

not picked

[hard bluff]

upsons the centreback

oh

typo

[hard bluff]

I typed upson in the message

[trail gyro]

lmao

@prisma kayak u can start judging btw

[light viper]

I thought someone had him taken...unless there pick changed

[carmine pollen]

Connor picked unsworth, not upson

[fierce pond]

Why is this in champions elite football

[ruby gull]

Oh yeah

[trail gyro]

i saw tht and assumed someone accidentally dragged it there on desktop lol

happened to me once in another server lol

[carmine pollen]

Must be the blue names

[willow cave]

Hurry so I can come back

[light viper]

I thought the draft chat was deleted too tbh lol

[fierce pond]

Yeah I couldn't find it until it was up at the top as suggested

[shrewd adder]

@prisma kayak start judging please

[trail gyro]

Oh yay we back in normal place

[prisma kayak]

Ok

[prisma kayak]

I think I'll finish in 6-7 days

[hard bluff]

[shrewd adder]

[fierce pond]

[shrewd adder]

The meme is so dead yk

And yet he's tryna stretch it

[ocean wasp]

[ruby gull]

https://tenor.com/view/6-7-6-7-joke-6-7-meme-6-7-memes-6-7-mentioned-gif-9570341074093646103

[prisma kayak]

We'll leave it in 2025

But for now lemme enjoy

[trail gyro]

richarlison scores 😂

oh and wirtz assist

[prisma kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

It ended at 0015

Benzi will be happy

[fierce pond]

How is judging going

[trail gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

[ocean wasp]

We got liverpool being above man utd before draft results 💔

[trail gyro]

Lmao

Liverpool better

[prisma kayak]

Done with defense

[ruby gull]

YES

[hard bluff]

liverpool losing over 10 games in all competitions and arsenal is still only 10 points ahead 💀

[prisma kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/bryan-mbeumo-bryanmbeumo-mbeumo-manchesterunited-manchester-united-gif-2739650969711046153

[hard bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-meme-discord-meme-speech-bubble-meme-angry-gif-13282025711485453712

[hard bluff]

petition for judges to do rankings at the same time the picks are being made

[ruby gull]

Buffalo

LOL

[prisma kayak]

Mad?

I am the chillest person on the planet

And I'm almost done with rankings

[hard bluff]

no just a general thing

not pointing fingers here

[prisma kayak]

I literally just sent an image and you thought I was angry?😂

[hard bluff]

what are you even talking about 😭

[ruby gull]

True

[hard bluff]

interesting

[carmine pollen]

I'm always shown as offline lol

[hard bluff]

oh lol

its just funny that everyone was shown as offline

[shrewd adder]

Well yk what I was doing

[fierce pond]

@prisma kayak progress?

[hard bluff]

merry christmas guys

have a great day

[shrewd adder]

Merry Christmas

You to

[ocean wasp]

Merry christmas ppl

[hard bluff]

all i want for christmas are the rankings

😭

[shrewd adder]

He's almost done tbf

But uh, he's not doing any today

He'll finish them hopefully tomorrow

[hard bluff]

tbf tomorrows boxing day lol

well for me it is anyways

[shrewd adder]

It is already that for me

[hard bluff]

is australia exactly 12 hrs ahead of the uk

its 19:56 here

[shrewd adder]

It's 6:56am

[shrewd adder]

Most of the East Coast is 11 hours

[hard bluff]

oh right

11 or 12

[hard bluff]

why are you up so early 😭

[shrewd adder]

10 or 11

[hard bluff]

I woke up at 12:30 today

[shrewd adder]

I've always woken up early

[hard bluff]

oops i thought the east was the west 💀

[hard bluff]

what time do you sleep at

[shrewd adder]

Like 10:30

[hard bluff]

last time i slept before 11 was ages ago 😭

at least a year ago

or more

[shrewd adder]

Tbf, I woke up before 6

[hard bluff]

I usually go to bed at 12

fall asleep at 12:30

and then wake up tired as hell for school

[shrewd adder]

That's why I sleep earlier

[hard bluff]

I try to but my brain keeps telling me to do something else before i sleep

like for example when its 8pm, my brain knows that I want to sleep earlier but then it tells me to go practice the cello 😭

and then I end up playing till 11

and then i end up going to bed at around 12

[shrewd adder]

Rah

[light viper]

Isn't part 8/9 too?

[shrewd adder]

Our time zones in the summer are weird

[ocean wasp]

6 or 7

[shrewd adder]

[ocean wasp]

sorry i had to im bored

[shrewd adder]

I'm just trying to fix my internet so that I can use pinterest

[hard bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1405669482558656604/1428903757349126215/attachment.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956737718380036166/1424890135408807946/image0.gif

[hard bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/papai-noel-twerk-santa-claus-twerk-papai-noel-santa-claus-feliz-natal-gif-1463631992943420950

[trail gyro]

When result 🤔

Been so long smh

[prisma kayak]

Bro why you rushing?

You were 2nd last

[trail gyro]

🤷‍♂️

I wanna play next draft

[prisma kayak]

I was jk

[hard bluff]

we're getting results after gta 6

[prisma kayak]

I lost my phone
It'll take a month for me to rank again

[shrewd adder]

Real

[prisma kayak]

Sorry guys
I'll do my best to finish quick

[hard bluff]

its fine i was just joking lol

It's the christmas holidays anyways

[prisma kayak]

It was joke

Hahahaha

[hard bluff]

What are you talking about

Is this a language barrier thing

I was trying not to sound rude but to be frank you are taking very long time doing the rankings

[prisma kayak]

You should reply to the right message

You prob didn't read my messages before that

[hard bluff]

The fact you're still typing here without your phone shows that you have other ways of reaching the server

If you're joking about something can you at least make it obvious

[ocean wasp]

Atp lammens will score a hattrick before we get the results 😭

[shrewd adder]

He sent em to me yesterday

[ocean wasp]

Oh nice nice

[shrewd adder]

But I have to do the calculations

[shrewd adder]

Rn I cbb

[ocean wasp]

oh

[shrewd adder]

I'm tryna draw Andriy Shevchenko

[ocean wasp]

WHAT

[shrewd adder]

No joke

[ocean wasp]

Wtff nahh that looks more like frank from brawl stars bro

[shrewd adder]

Tbf, it's my first drawing in 6.5 years

[ocean wasp]

oh then thats actl q ok

[shrewd adder]

I don't love it but for how rusty I am, it's alright

[hard bluff]

hes so good on eafc mobile

🤡

[fierce pond]

Show the drawing

I won't judge

[hard bluff]

nipun show the drawing

no ones gonna judge

i 100% draw worse than you I guarantee you

I was close to failing art in school

[shrewd adder]

The drawing so far, first one in 6.5 years @hard bluff

[fierce pond]

The hair is cool

[hard bluff]

it does look like the photo

looks great so far

i love the shadowing

[shrewd adder]

Thanks

Just need to finish the jersey

Which is the hard part

[light viper]

Ngl...the hair is perfection...too scarily accurate

[shrewd adder]

Idk how I managed it

6.5 years of rust as well

[willow cave]

Goat

When is this draft ending

😭

[shrewd adder]

I'll add the scores now

[willow cave]

Im gonna win the next draft

trust

[light viper]

The suspense of disappointment for some

Including me

!

[ocean wasp]

We are not getting results tdy are we?

[shrewd adder]

I've got them ready to go

I'm just in a bad mood

[ocean wasp]

oh

well feel better soon

[shrewd adder]

Thanks man, I'll try to upload them before I sleep

[shrewd adder]

<@&1206185225609150484> I feel better now and I will present the results, sky news won't present them this time, I will

So let's begin with the Spurs Award

[ocean wasp]

hopefully i get top 5

[shrewd adder]

In 3rd 🥉place for the Spurs Award with 62 points, we have @ruby gull

P - ST: Jean-Pierre Papin (2nd)
S - RB: Wim Suurbier (8th)
O - LW: Marc Overmars (6th)
U - CM: Julio César Uribe (10th)
H - CM: Gheorghe Hagi (4th)
I - CM: Valentin Ivanov (11th)
M - RW: Sir Stanley Matthews (5th)
D - CB: Traianos Dellas (9th)
R - CB: Oscar Ruggeri (7th)
L - LB: Bixente Lizarazu (3rd)
N - GK: Manuel Neuer (1st)

In 2nd 🥈place for the Spurs Award with 66 points, we have @trail gyro

[H] ST: Thiery Henry (4th)
[M] RW: Lionel Messi (1st)
[N] LW: Neymar Jr (2nd)
[O] CAM: Jay-Jay Okocha (3rd)
[S] CM: Luiz Suárez (6th)
[D] CM: Dunga (8th)
[U] LB: Andreas Ulmer (7th)
[P] CB: Pepe (9th)
[L] CB: Aymeric Laporte (10th)
[I] RB: Stefan Iovan (11th)
[R] GK: Sebastiano Rossi (5th)

[ocean wasp]

Whatttttt

How tf do u have messi ney and titi and be 2nd last

Laporte, ulmer and iovan werent great fine...but the rest

[shrewd adder]

Which means the winner 🥇 of the Spurs Award with 72 points, we have @clever quarry

P - ST: Juninho Paulista (5th pick)
S - LM: Teddy Sheringham (8th pick)
O - RM: Al-Owairan (7th pick)
U - LB: Senol Ustaomel (10th pick)
H - RB: Wilfried Hannes (9th pick)
I - CB: Simone Inzaghi (11th pick)
M - CB: Rafael Marquez (6th pick)
D - GK: Dida (3rd pick)
R - CAM: Wayne Rooney (2nd pick)
L - CAM: Brian Laudrop (4th pick)
N - ST: Ronaldo nazareth (1st pick)

Now for the real list

[ocean wasp]

HAHAHAHHHAHA 🤣🤣

Omgg thats like his 5th spurs award bro 😭

[shrewd adder]

In 6th place with 60 points, we have @digital silo

P: Puyol, Carles — ZAG (1st pick)
S: Salah, Mohamed — PD (2nd pick)
O: Oblak, Jan — GK (3rd pick)
U: Upamecano, Dayot — ZAG (4th pick)
H: Haaland, Erling — ATA (5th pick)
I: Iborra, Vicente — VOL (6th pick)
M: Mendy, Ferland — LE (7th pick)
D: Darmian, Matteo — LD (8th pick)
R: Rosický, Tomáš — MEI (9th pick)
L: Lobotka, Stanislav — VOL/MC (10th pick)
N: Nani, Luís — PE (11th pick)

[ocean wasp]

Me, connor bradley, nipun, elohim, curt, stranger left

[shrewd adder]

In 5th place with 55 points, we have @shrewd adder

GK: Javier Urruticoechea (6th pick)
RWB: Gary Neville (4th pick)
CB: Paolo Maldini (1st pick)
CB: Mats Hummels (8th pick)
CB: Daniel Passarella (2nd pick)
LWB: Nilton Santos (3rd pick)
CM: Gokhan Inler (11th pick)
CM: Robert Lee (9th pick)
CAM: Mesut Ozil (7th pick)
CAM: Deco (10th pick)
ST: Romario (5th pick)

[ocean wasp]

oof

i can see now why u were not in the mood

[shrewd adder]

It was something else but ok

[ocean wasp]

Aside from urruti and inler that team shld be wayy higher

[trail gyro]

Look at whos judging 🤣

[shrewd adder]

In 4th place with 50 points, we have @fierce pond

P - CDM: Andrea Pirlo (4th)
S - CM: Clarence Seedorf (6th)
O - ST: Ricardo Oliveira (11th)
U - LB: Destiny Udogie (10th)
H - GK: Samir Handanovic (8th)
I - RB: Branislav Ivanovic (5th)
M - ST: Gerd Müller (3rd)
D - CM: Edgar Davids (7th)
R - CB: Sergio Ramos (1st)
L - CM: Frank Lampard (9th)
N - CB Alessandro Nesta (2nd)

[clever quarry]

I mean to be fair that Turkish leftback still had a greatest season in the 80s yk

[trail gyro]

Jose doesnt know ball tbf

His takes r questionable imo

[ocean wasp]

Me, curt, elohim, connor bradley cmonn

[shrewd adder]

Now, we go straight to the top 3

[ocean wasp]

oh theres a tie

nice podium again

[shrewd adder]

In 3rd 🥉 place with 49 points we have a tie in @hard bluff and @ocean wasp

GK: Peter Schmeichel (2nd)
LB: Denis Irwin (5th)
CB: Samuel Umtiti (4th)
CB: Sami Hyypia (9th)
RB: Phil Neal (8th)
CDM: Claude Makelele (6th)
CDM: Marcel Desailly (7th)
CAM: Michel Platini (1st)
CAM: Rivaldo (11th)
ST: Michael Owen (3rd)
ST: Gary Lineker (10th)

st: lewandowski (L) 5th
st: zlatan (I) 2nd
lw: ronaldo (R) 1st
rw: uli hoeneß (H) 9th
cm: scholes (S) 3rd
cm: johan neeskens (N) 8th
lb: david unsworth (U) 11th
cb: pique (P) 6th
cb: otamendi (O) 10th
rb: maicon (M) 4th
gk: de gea (D) 7th

[ocean wasp]

i'll take it

[shrewd adder]

In 2nd 🥈 place with 41 points we have @carmine pollen

P - Gk: Jean-Marie Pfaff
S - St: Luis Suarez (10th)
O - Cm: Wolfgang Overath (9th)
U - Cb: Tomas Ujfalusi (4th)
H - Cb: Alan Hansen (7th)
I - Dm: Paul Ince (3rd)
M - Lb: Marcelo (5th)
D - Rw: Angel di Maria (8th)
R - Am: Ronaldinho (6th)
L - Rb: Philipp Lahm (1st)
N - Lw: Pavel Nedved (2nd)

[ocean wasp]

Welcome back to the throne @light viper

[shrewd adder]

Which means the winner 🥇 with 39 points, we have @light viper

P - st Ferenc Puskas (3rd)
S - CB: Gaetano Scirea (6th)
O - cm: Ernst Ocwirk (10th)
U - RB: Atsuto Uchida (11th)
H - CB: Fernando Hierro (7th)
I- Cm: Iniesta (1st)
M- Cm: Lothar matthaus (4th)
D - st: Alfredo Di Stéfano (2nd)
R - Lb: Andy Robertson (5th)
L - CB:lucio (9th)
N -GK: keylor navas (8th)

Well, get ready for the marking and blame @prisma kayak it gets diabolical

[ocean wasp]

ok lets see

[shrewd adder]

Nipunrockz - 55
White - 66
Macan - 62
Stranger - 50
Elohim - 41
S4vi - 72
Curt - 39
Alemao - 60
Spikez - 49
Connor Bradley - 49

Best:

1. Cristiano Ronaldo - Connor
2. Alfredo Di Stefano - Curt
3. Gerd Müller - Stranger
4. Thierry Henry - White
5. Sir Stanley Matthews - Macan
6. Ronaldinho - Elohim
7. Fernando Hierro - Curt
8. Angel Di Maria - Elohim
9. Frank Lampard - Stranger
10. Luis Suarez - Elohim
11. Rivaldo - Spikez

Worst:

1. Carles Puyol - Stranger
2. Daniel Passarella - Nipun
3. Paul Ince - Elohim
4. Gheorghe Hagi - Macan
5. Sebastian Rossi - White
6. Javier Urruticoechea - Nipun
7. Ferland Mendy - Alemão
8. Dunga - White
9. Wilfred Hannes - Savi
10. Destiny Udogie - Stranger
11. Simone Inzaghi - Savi

ST

‎1 Ronaldo Nazário (1st pick) -Savi
‎1 Alfredo Di Stéfano (2nd pick) -Curt
‎2 Ferenc Puskás (3rd pick) -Curt
‎2 Gerd Müller (3rd pick) -Stranger
‎3 Romário (5th pick) -Nipun
‎3 Thierry Henry (4th pick) -White
4 Robert Lewandowski (5th pick) -Connor
4 Luis Suárez (10th pick) -Elohim
‎5 Zlatan Ibrahimović (2nd pick) -Connor
‎5 Jean-Pierre Papin (2nd pick) -Macan
‎6 Erling Haaland (5th pick) -Alemão
‎6 Michael Owen (3rd pick) -Spikez
‎7 Gary Lineker (10th pick) -Spikez
‎7 Juninho Paulista (5th pick) -Savi
‎8 Ricardo Oliveira (11th pick) -Stranger

LW

‎1. Cristiano Ronaldo (1st pick) -Connor
‎2. Neymar Jr (2nd pick) -White
‎3. Pavel Nedved (2nd pick) -Elohim
‎4. Marc Overmars (6th pick) -Macan
‎5. Nani (11th pick) -Alemão
‎6. Teddy Sheringham (8th pick) -Savi

RW

‎1. Lionel Messi (1st pick) -White
‎2. Mohamed Salah (2nd pick) -Alemão
‎3. Ángel Di María (8th pick) -Elohim
‎4. Uli Hoeneß (9th pick) -Connor
‎5. Sir Stanley Matthews (5th pick) -Macan
‎6. Al-Owairan (7th pick) -Savi

CAM

‎1. Michel Platini (1st pick) -Spikez
‎2. Ronaldinho (6th pick) -Elohim
‎3. Rivaldo (11th pick) -Spikez
‎4. Deco (10th pick) -Nipun
‎5. Wayne Rooney (2nd pick) -Savi
6. Mesut Özil (7th pick) -Nipun
7. Tomáš Rosický (9th pick) -Alemão
8. Brian Laudrup (4th pick) -Savi
‎9. Jay-Jay Okocha (3rd pick) -White

CM

‎1 Iniesta (1st pick) -Curt
‎1 Lothar Matthäus (4th pick) -Curt
‎2 Frank Lampard (9th pick) -Stranger
‎2 Paul Scholes (3rd pick) -Connor
‎3 Luis Suárez (6th pick) -White
3 Clarence Seedorf (6th pick) -Stranger
‎4 Edgar Davids (7th pick) -Stranger
‎4 Wolfgang Overath (9th pick) -Elohim
5 Johan Neeskens (8th pick) -Connor
5 Ernst Ocwirk (10th pick) -Curt
‎6 Gökhan Inler (11th pick) -Nipun
‎6 Robert Lee (9th pick) -Nipun
‎7 Julio César Uribe (10th pick) -Macan
‎7 Valentin Ivanov (11th pick) -Macan
‎8 Gheorghe Hagi (4th) -Macan
8 Dunga (8th pick) -White

CDM

‎1 Andrea Pirlo (4th pick) -Stranger
‎2 Claude Makélélé (6th pick) -Spikez
‎3 Marcel Desailly (7th pick) -Spikez
‎4 Stanislav Lobotka (10th pick) -Alemão
5 Paul Ince (3rd pick) -Elohim
‎6 Vicente Iborra (6th pick) -Alemão

[ocean wasp]

Hmm wheres haaland and ibra's balon dor

[shrewd adder]

CB

‎1 Paolo Maldini (1st pick) -Nipun
‎1 Sergio Ramos (1st pick) -Stranger
‎2 Carles Puyol (1st pick) -Alemão
‎2 Alessandro Nesta (2nd pick) -Stranger
‎3 Gaetano Scirea (6th pick) -Curt
3 Lúcio (9th pick) -Curt
4 Daniel Passarella (2nd pick) -Nipun
4 Gerald Pique (6th pick) -Connor
‎5 Fernando Hierro (7th pick) -Curt
‎5 Alan Hansen (7th pick) -Elohim
‎6 Pepe (9th pick) -White
‎6 Rafael Márquez (6th pick) -Savi
‎7 Mats Hummels (8th pick) -Nipun
‎7 Oscar Ruggeri (7th pick) -Macan
‎8 Sami Hyypiä (9th pick) -Spikez
8 Nicolás Otamendi (10th pick) -Connor
9 Dayot Upamecano (4th pick) -Alemão
‎9 Laporte (10th pick) -White
‎10 Samuel Umtiti (4th pick) -Spikez
‎10 Tomáš Ujfalusi (4th pick) -Elohim
11 Traianos Dellas (9th pick) -Macan
11 Simone Inzaghi (11th pick) -Savi

LB

‎1. Marcelo (5th pick) -Elohim
‎2. Bixente Lizarazu (3rd pick) -Macan
‎3. Nilton Santos (3rd pick) -Nipun
‎4. Denis Irwin (5th pick) -Spikez
‎5. Andy Robertson (5th pick) -Curt
‎6. Andreas Ulmer (7th pick) -White
7. Ferland Mendy (7th pick) -Alemão
8. David Unsworth (11th pick) -Connor
9. Şenol Ustaömer (10th pick) -Savi
10. Destiny Udogie (10th pick) -Stranger

[ocean wasp]

HYYPIA THAT LOW WTF

[shrewd adder]

RB

‎1. Philipp Lahm (1st pick) -Elohim
‎2. Maicon (4th pick) -Connor
‎3. Gary Neville (4th pick) -Nipun
‎4. Phil Neal (8th pick) -Spikez
‎5. Wim Suurbier (8th pick) -Macan
‎6. Branislav Ivanović (5th pick) -Stranger
‎7. Matteo Darmian (8th pick) -Alemão
8. Wilfred Hannes (9th pick) -Savi
9. Atsuto Uchida (11th pick) -Curt
10. Stefan Iovan (11th pick) -White

GK

‎1. Manuel Neuer (1st pick) -Macan
‎2. Peter Schmeichel (2nd pick) -Spikez
‎3. Dida (3rd pick) -Savi
‎4. Jan Oblak (3rd pick) -Alemão
‎5. Jean-Marie Pfaff (11th pick) -Elohim
‎6. Keylor Navas (8th pick) -Curt
7. David De Gea (7th pick) -Connor
8. Sebastiano Rossi (5th pick) -White
‎9. Samir Handanović (8th pick) -Stranger
‎10. Javier Urruticoechea (6th pick) -Nipun

[ocean wasp]

@trail gyro Dunga in last ur thoughts?

[shrewd adder]

Out of position

[ocean wasp]

oh

[shrewd adder]

<@&1206185225609150484> OFFICIAL MARKS ARE OUT

Make sure to look at the marks for the draft and ask @prisma kayak any questions about these rankings. I'll be posting polls for the next draft real soon

[trail gyro]

Okocha last? 🤣

This was hella rigged by jose

[trail gyro]

Dunga 8th omds

Omds

[shrewd adder]

Tomas Rosicky over Okocha is wild

[ocean wasp]

@prisma kayak hi bro how is umtiti below upamaguire? Like where is bro's world cup? And like makelele below pirlo? Im sorry who created the cdm role? And lastly haaland above owen is straight up diabolical.

[shrewd adder]

I can back Haaland

[trail gyro]

Ig brazil is 💩 since dunga captaining it to a world cup js irrelevant

[ocean wasp]

Dunga was out of position

[shrewd adder]

Out of position

That's what Jose told me 🤷🏽‍♂️

[trail gyro]

Rossi below de gea.....below navas....

Ye no

[ocean wasp]

Ye tbf dunga was mostly a dm, idk how many games he played

[shrewd adder]

I wanted to have Gokhan Inler as a DM

I just couldn't find another dm

[ocean wasp]

Oh

[ocean wasp]

But wtv 3rd is good

[trail gyro]

Transfermarkt lied to me

Not my fault s😭

[ocean wasp]

Dunga was ancient, even transfermarkt wont have the details

[clever quarry]

Al-Owairan in last thats tuff

[trail gyro]

Ozil over okocha 😭

I love ozil but okocha clears

[shrewd adder]

I'd put Ozil over Okocha

[trail gyro]

Ye so not our fault if transfermarkt lies 🥀

[trail gyro]

Nah

Okocha better tbf

He did it consistently with small teams

[shrewd adder]

And Ozil did with big teams

[ocean wasp]

Ozil flopped at madrid, meanwhile okocha carried bolton out of the relegation team into a team that is fighting for europe

[clever quarry]

@ocean wasp IM pretty sure he the best Saudi pro league player if i remember that

[shrewd adder]

I don't think he did though

[trail gyro]

And okocha will be remembered more tbh

[clever quarry]

But ofcourse he had no experience in europe

[trail gyro]

Ozil was only a small part in madrid

[ocean wasp]

No thats majed abdullah al nassr legend

[trail gyro]

Okocha was the soul of the bolton team

[shrewd adder]

Would've broken the PL assist record if the handsome fridge known as Olivier Giroud wasn't striker

[clever quarry]

Ohhhhhh

[ocean wasp]

That was at arsenal tho

[shrewd adder]

So?

[ocean wasp]

Im saying he cldnt create it at real madrid, meanwhile okocha did it at bolton, psg and fener and frankfurt

[trail gyro]

Also this

Why is one of the best italian keepers below de gea 💀

[ocean wasp]

Rossi below navas 🤣

[shrewd adder]

White and I got hoed

[trail gyro]

Navas got carried by real defense a lot he is not ablve de gea or rossi

And dida was only decent tbf he gets a bit carried by the milan defense and also the nosatliga of the milan teams

Id rather de gea cause he saved utd when they were in gutter

[light viper]

Back 3 worked

[carmine pollen]

Good job

The ranks are mostly fair tbh

[digital silo]

I wanted to understand this logic in order to define the scoring.

That's irrelevant, but I respect it.

[trail gyro]

Rossi 🥀

Okocha

Lots of wrongs in ranks

[prisma kayak]

Any questions guys?

[prisma kayak]

You

You aren't allowed to talk

You're a hater

And what's wrong with Rossi and Okocha?

@trail gyro

[prisma kayak]

So bc of world cup you think he should be above Upamecano?

[ocean wasp]

Yes his wc performances were insane def higher than a bayern farmers league merchant

[trail gyro]

Okocha last in cam???

And rossi one of the best keepers of his generation below navas???

[ocean wasp]

Upa has 0 ucl as well btw, and last season he was shite cost them a few games as well

[prisma kayak]

Upamecano is a better player than Umtiti.Umtiti's prime was 2016-2018 but Upa has been a top defender for many years

[ocean wasp]

Upa only joined bayern in 2021 ;-; soo like 2021-2025 and dun forget he wasnt world class for one or two seasons. You match it up, upa has only won 1 more league title than umtiti rn

Umtiti's 2 league titles are also harder than upa's 3 bundesligas

[prisma kayak]

I can't put him over a ballon dor winner tho

[prisma kayak]

He was good at leipzig before he joined Bayern.
Upa had a better career and was a better player there's nothing to explain here

[ocean wasp]

Was a better player? Mate hv u seen samuel umtiti at the wc and pre wc at barca?

Better career? Hmm lets see so like a wc and i wld say best defender at the 2018 wc, 2 league titles, 3 spanish cups and 1 french cup means nthg?

[prisma kayak]

I would put consistenty over a two year prime

I'm not here to debate.Im telling you why I put Upa over Umtiti.

[ocean wasp]

Consistency eh? Upa wasnt very consistent in the ucl a few seasons back was he?

[prisma kayak]

Ok

What good can one point do you?

And what's the point of this?

It's not like u can change the rankings?

I thought you said you don't give a f***😂😂😂

[shrewd adder]

Would have put him ahead of @hard bluff

[ocean wasp]

js explaining my reasoning...now uk how it felt when 7 ppl flamed me when i did my rankings a few drafts back

[shrewd adder]

Imagine me whos done it loads

And curt as well

[prisma kayak]

He did have a better team than Connor tho

[ocean wasp]

and he has to do it again 😭

unless elohim wants to

[prisma kayak]

Your rankings were horrible

Like HORRIBLE

[ocean wasp]

man...

[hard bluff]

not complaining at all

thats the best finish I ever had

💀

[carmine pollen]

He was born in the wrong time.
So he only plays in club.
And his prime is short.

[carmine pollen]

Should be be higher than Rosicky and below Ozil, yeah

[carmine pollen]

100% agreed with this.
Let's say Upa has 7-8 performance over 6 years while Umtiti has 8-9 for 2 years and then turned into a 4 top performance.
Easy ranking.

[hard bluff]

lowkey every judge gets grilled over rankings

[carmine pollen]

That's obvious.
We aren't expert.
There are even experts out there thinking Ronaldo is better than Messi.

[trail gyro]

not worse than u honestly

[trail gyro]

but better than navas 😭

[trail gyro]

someone ranked ronaldo over messi as best pick btw

[fierce pond]

I guess I'll take 4th

Udogie sold me 😭

[fierce pond]

Haaland in front of Owen is a disgrace though

[hard bluff]

ronaldo 🐐🐐

[carmine pollen]

Navas come 3rd as world best gk, twice.
Rossi, never entered top 5 in any year.

[trail gyro]

navas did gget carried a bit by real defense

hes a good gk abnd i think hes underrated but rossi better imo

[carmine pollen]

That's your opinion, not the fact agreed by experts

[trail gyro]

🤷‍♂️

[carmine pollen]

Owen only good for limited years at Liverpool and then turn to the same level as Andy Johnson after leaving Liverpool.

[prisma kayak]

Eh?

But whatever let's move on to next draft

[trail gyro]

huh when did i say about names

[prisma kayak]

Just know that, I don't have time to rig against you

You're not the main character

[hard bluff]

why are you so salty and rude

💀

calm down

ppl are gonna disagree with rankings no matter what

[prisma kayak]

I'm not

[hard bluff]

yes you are

[prisma kayak]

Ik that

[hard bluff]

calm down bro

not that serious

[prisma kayak]

Do you perceive me as some guy who's always angry?

[hard bluff]

.

[hard bluff]

.

[hard bluff]

.

[hard bluff]

.

[hard bluff]

.

take chill pill bro

[prisma kayak]

Ye that was kinda rude but I wasn't angry saying that

[prisma kayak]

Check his bio

[prisma kayak]

I meant I change the rankings it was a mistake

[prisma kayak]

Horrible in capitals to show it was really bad not that I was angry

[hard bluff]

agree to disagree

[prisma kayak]

Cuz he's always hating on me

[hard bluff]

@trail gyro is a man...

[prisma kayak]

Sorry

I always forget

[hard bluff]

interesting choice of pfp tbf

[prisma kayak]

I don't want him barking at me again so I can't talk about it

Some people just hate you no matter what you do
I don't know how to change what they think of me

[hard bluff]

they dont hate you they just hate your ranking

[prisma kayak]

White is different

[hard bluff]

which is literallly boudn to happen anyways

white lowkey is the main character

[trail gyro]

fr

[prisma kayak]

If I had ignored all of you that would make me the main character

[prisma kayak]

Sorry bro

[trail gyro]

yes

[trail gyro]

alg man

[trail gyro]

nah 😭

[prisma kayak]

Nipun can't be the main character bc he does all the work

So I would say Elohim is the main character

[light viper]

That's why vidic/Rio/Terry > vvd

[prisma kayak]

I think vvd has also been consistent

[light viper]

Ngl...Owen had a short peak....haaland will be better

Yes Owen won Balon dor

But haaland should have but Messi pr and fraud WC 🔥🔥

[prisma kayak]

You're late 🕑

[fierce pond]

Yeah true

[prisma kayak]

Show's over

[prisma kayak]

So we can all agree my rankings was the best right?

[light viper]

Strikers can be very debatable

I prefer mbappe > haaland

Haaland gets the numbers cuz he's more clinical and a better finisher

But mbappe is a more rounded/complete type player

Haaland is one dimensional

Mbappe isnt

[hard bluff]

not rlly

haaland is a bit high

he only really just got started

lewa over henry

[prisma kayak]

Me?

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ince under lobotka is scandalous

upamacano over umtiti is weird

idk but i feel ivanovic shouldve been higher

invanovic is a good pick for rb

[hard bluff]

what??

im saying lewa over henry

im not talking about you

im taking about your ranking

[prisma kayak]

You think lewa should be over henry?

[fierce pond]

Ivanovic should've been above suurbier imo

[hard bluff]

lewa practically has a ballon dor if not for covid

im surprised ince was ranked this low

ince is a great pick

lobotka over ince is something laertis would've said

[prisma kayak]

I lwky miss him

[hard bluff]

do you even know what he said

he said some pretty messed up stuff

[prisma kayak]

Ik prob cuz he was angry

[hard bluff]

no he just said it out of the blue

he said some anti semetic stuff

I was there

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ye

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vvd was gonna get a ballon dor 2019 if it wasnt rigged for messi as well

he's been the world's best defender for the last 7 or 8years

thats almost a decade

he's only ranked lower than those guys because they're retired

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ye nostaligia bias

vvd was one of the best defenders of this century for sure

[light viper]

Against a major lack of good forwards, yes.

[hard bluff]

so ronaldo, messi, lewandowski, mbappe, kane, hazard, suarez, aguero, neymar, vini, benzema were just terrible forwards then

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messi was unreal in 2019 btw but still vvd got the better of him in ucl 🤷‍♂️

ppl dont wanna acknowledge vvd as good

[light viper]

Against vvd?

Rio Terry played Messi Ronaldo etc in their peaks

Not beyond there best

Likewise for Terry against like ruud

Rio against Henry etc

Hazard, bale

[trail gyro]

so haaland, kane, mbappe, vini and other attackers r bad?

mbappe and haaland will go down as generational players in future ur jst saying this cause of nostaligic bias lmao

[hard bluff]

faced modric, griezman, lewadowski, benzema, haaland, mbappe, vini, bellingham, dembele in their prime
and half of this list is only going to get better in these few years

and unlike terry, rio, vidic, this guy didnt have insane partnerships, and his fullbacks practically can't defend

I wouldn't put matip, gomez or konate on the same levels as vidic, garry cahill, carvahlo, desailly, ivanovic, david luiz

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Nah, Laertisfooty would agree with it

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[light viper]

Vidic twice player of the season
Van dijk once

Vidic also puts his body on the line

Whereas van dijk is now a professional twerker and backs away from opposition to save his not being dribbled past statistic

[shrewd adder]

Olof Mellberg better

And Laursen

[hard bluff]

thats just jockeying 💀

and it works

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ballon d'or 2019 runner up (despite him deserving it)
UEFA POTY
van dijk has 5 pfa toty, more than vidic
and all this time my guy vidic had ferdinand next to him as well with ppl like neville

I'd argue these 2 achievements outweight the single pots the vidic has more than van dijk

[hard bluff]

thats just nostalgic bias again

says nothing about whether he's a good defender

[light viper]

So vidic stood out against elite centrebacks in the league....like kompany,Rio, Terry...who was vvd competing against? Ruben Dias ? 😂

[hard bluff]

he was competing with forwards and midfielders in the ballon dor

whats your point

ah u mean the toty

van dijk stands out so much hes basically guaranteed a spot bro

also the years that vidic got into pfa are the years he won the league, you're pretty much guaranteed a spot if u win the league

[light viper]

Not really

[hard bluff]

if ur decent enough

vidic and rio ferdinand partnership make the list every single time except 10-11

by contrast van dijk has only ever appeared on his own

konate and matip have never made the toty

so basically hes just carrying the defence on his own

[light viper]

Payet, Steve Finnan , Kevin Phillips, Shay given,Gerrard ...a few winners with no title to name

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I was trying to say league winners are more likely to get on the toty anyways

its much harder to make it on the list without winning the league

[light viper]

That's also like me arguing that maldini is massively over rated cuz he played with costacurta, baresi, rossi.

[hard bluff]

Standing out with another all-time CB is impressive but standing out alone is rarer though. that’s why VVD’s peak puts him in the conversation of being the best epl defender ever. I'm not saying they are overrated i'm just saying vvd is hella underrated

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ye

almost winning ballon d'or in messi ronaldo era itself speaks a lot about u

besides he was the reason liverpool became good since we were 💩 at back conceding a lot always

vvd fixed tht