#Draft Discussion No.17
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no chance bro
He's the best midfielder in the world at only 22
Gravenberch has the potential to be top 15 CDM imo
Yoro has potential to be a top 3 CB of all time π£οΈπ₯
Tell me more than 15 CDMS that are better than his potential
there are loads that are better than him π
Go on them name them
makelele, mathaus, rijkard, deschamps, viera, roy keane, busquets, gattuso, casemiro, edgar davids, kante, rodri, de rossi, pep, essien, xabi alonso
more than 15 already
pirlo another one
fabihno my goat
Weren't we talking bout Pedri and top 5?
Desachmps
Pep(I love him)
vintha, bellingham, kdb, valverde, modric, kroos, pirlo, zidane, iniesta, gerrad, lampard, scholes
Roy keane
do you have any idea what youre talking about
Casemiro
Bellingham vitinha Valverde zidane
gravenberch will not be top 15 CDM of all time
gravenberch is not a defensive dm like roy keane either
yeah no chance π
absolutelt not top 5
Yh he doesn't get reds for a living
And then goes and complains bout them 20 years later on TV
I'd even argue grav plays more like pirlo than roy keane and those lot π
nah bro
youre glazing them too much
Just telling the truth
It fr ain't even ragebait
we both know they're nowhere as good π
Mate do you understand what has the potential to be better means
omds
tahts what I've been talking about the whole time
they don't have the potential to be that good
Omds
you're just being really annoying by this point
just stop
they dont have that potential
you're just making everything up
And what do you actually think Vakverde Bellingham and vitinha have better potential than pedri?
bellingham 100% not even a question
valverde and vintha i meant this season
OMDS
Pedri was the best midfielder this eeason
And will continue being the best midfielder itw for the next 10 years
Matthias sammer, kimmich
oh forgot abt kimmich
Who pinged ne
dunno
Then who deleted ping
Fr
i want to pick
I'm thinking
You haven't made a team?
That's crazy
ok
so
I have rio ngumoha 25/26
and then matteo messi 30/31
Just put pre season ngumoha he's been crazy
Yeah amazing picks icl
thanks
Is anyone playing with a 3 back?
I would've but it's a pain
Thought I had one but he's mostly cm/CDM for the year I wanted lol
It's rare to see young players in CB tbh
Atleast world class ones
I have joao cancelo in my team
||kelleher 24/25||
Hence a early CB pick
I got stuck for CB but I managed to dig one out of nothing π€£
I have a great one
Probably 10 better keepers that haven't been picked yet
dean henderson isnt even the first henderson to show up LOL
Ruben Dias
Very good pick for 2020/21 π₯²
What's ur point...
@still torrent 12 hour
idk its just funny
Oh my God π€£π€£π€£π€£ he went for dias
Don't give a shi
UCL squad of the year, UCL defender of the year, prem Toty, prem player of the year
You could've gone for recency bias
?
And there's A LOT
People have more bias to the ones that played this seaosn
And how do you win?like who desides who wins
No Ik that those 2 are some of the best but more people will remember the current season
05 and 2000 lol
Not everyone is an unc
Maybe that's why nipun offered to help judging ig?
He knows me and elo are able to rank the older players better or something idk
What do u mean?
Who desides whuch team is the best and gets the spurs award
what are you on about π
dias is a good pick
Yep
Better ones
This draft is mostly about individual performance
Like
cubrasi fell off by the end
Balon dors
Nah he just got more haters
Only when certain players are similar
Will things like titles and trophies be considered
You could honestly build a barca p&p and win this
And why tf do I get notifications for every single FCKING MESSAGE FROM THE SM CHAT
As long as they're 23 when the season starts they're valid picks
i had two players that just misses out π
kimmich 19/20 bro
would've been insane
Kante 15/16 π
And they're spamming lik can't you send it all in one fcking text
Yh had him too
I missed some players from formation changes too
@kindred swan try this
Should only get notifications if you're pinged
I could still have tried 3 cb
But I took bale so won't work lol
SS/cam
flip
St/cf
Yh just did that but I had it like that idk why it changed
so can I put a SS at CAM
Who is it
not saying
alr
Say in DM's I promise I won't tell
no
im good
Come on bro
@hollow quartz would 2 AMs in 433 work
Damn my striker don't work by a month cππ€£
As long as you have proof of a team using it
Who was it
@hollow quartz please say yes π
You need proof of a team using it
That's what @graceful violet told me and he's reliable
im aware of the rules
I mean if you can't find proof that formation didn't exist
Wait nvm it works lmao
I mean CAMs are just CMs on steroids tbf
Yeah but that formation probably doesn't exist but in tactics it does
Like they listed as CMs on the team sheet/formation
dr chat gpt says yes
But in tactics they are used as CAMs
fr
szoboslai and wirtz
I really dont want to drop dele alli π
Wirtz LW if Isak goes to Liverpool Isak ST Ekitike LW szoboszlai bench and Wirtz CAM
thats not even what im talking about
Eventually Salah retires
Yh
Isak ekitike
Wirtz
Liverpool is too stacked up front
zlatan retired bruh
Two striker with cam
WE'RE JUST BUFFED
Ik but that's probably how they'll play
Ngomha too
Fr
That young kid sounds good
Rio?
Trey too
I see gakpo being sold in January
diaz sold no need for gakpo to be sold
swapping in and out with ekitike
and also give isak a rest
Yeah but if rio keeps performing like he is in preseason and if y'all get isak
long season ahead
Chiesa gonna leave
rio is bottom of pecking order
Diaz gone
Nunes will be sold and Cody will probably play backup to Isak
he's only going to start league cups
Nunez will go too
Salah/wirtz can rw too or Elliot if he stays
elliot is going
Two of the best chants leaving in the same window is sad
not going to start any games now that szobo is on the bench
That's where he plays
frimpong RW would make more sense imo
for rotation and stuff
and then bradley fill in
Where's Rio play?
LW
Lw
right footed
Ah
Only in the afcon break
U could possibly maybe need a rw?
tbh I think salah can stay fit for the whole season
Just a cheap random decent backup lol
I have a feeling chiesa will stay
Yh but there's the afcon too
(coping so hard)
szobo and frimpong can fill in
think rio played some RW at chelsea as well
kerkez can do a reverse gareth bale LOL
Easily
Do we have to put players by position like from GK to ST?
Cause many people are doing it
U can order it however...such as order of pick or from goalkeeper to defence to midfield to forwards
I prefer this...it lays formation out better tbh
Ok
Easier to see what positions need filling
Yh that does make sense
But is there a way I could like shift some players without having to delete them
And write again
No
Ffs I just finished it and I see this
just ctrl c ctrl v
to jiggle them around
I ain't on PC
Nope, Vitinha is better
Be fr
I am
Was better more important for PSG, had better match ratings and had more goal contributions than Pedri
Whilst playing the same role as Pedri as well
What more do you need?
Not be Barca bias
True
All I needed to read was "had more goal contributions"
Its because he wanted my help, but maybe me being 20+ might help as well
To watch football with your eyes
I've done that since 2009
Good for you but you need to watch many games not jsut a few UCL games from both cause they ain't in the prem,go watch their leagues whuch one is harder which one parks the bus all the time
Did @haughty swan @brave berry leave?
Cause their names are white for me
π€·π½ββοΈ
No ur fine
So I'm not going crazy (thank God)
What does it mean tho
Usually that signals they've left the server
Oh
their top role has no colour
his highest is android which is white
Oh
Hmm ok
#1400239183112437843 we back
I wouldn't say vitinha is better
yeah lol
Winning trophies doesn't mean that the player is better
I'm talking about ability
Ye, they played the same role, he had more g/a and better match ratings
Vitinha proves my point without trophies
Imagine with them
More g/a and better match ratings in a much worse league
Pedri had way more shot creating actions
More progressive passes
And Pedri had more g/a
By 1
Pedri also contributed more defensively
People only say vitinha is better because he won the treble
Vitinha had more importance, cooked Inter and everyone in UCL honestly
Define more importance
You can't say hes a better player just because he did great in one game
PSG would crumble without Vitinha
Barca can cope without Pedri
That doesn't mean he's a better player he's just important
Thats the definition of value
That has nothing to do with how he's a better player, Pedri was better in progressive passes, more g/a, more shot creating actions, more expected assisted goals, more progressive carries, and more successful takeons
And better defensively
Just because vitinha is the heart of PSG doesn't mean he's a better player
Pedri is objectively better but yeah agree to disagree
@still torrent 9 hours
bundesliga defensive record that season yaa alaba played lb and cb and got into bundesliga tots yaaa
Hurts my eyes to look at π
Bald π
Bros allergic to the space button
You're one to talk
Lmao
wow
Yeah
Go and check that shi where you just put
Such a lovely message π₯°
Are jokes banned or smth?
no? just a bit far on the rude end dont you think
Did it actually sound so rude?
yeah?
youre just telling him to shut the f up
hes just nominating that for spurs moment
I mean he took it as a joke so idk what the problem is
looks a bit rude imo
Omds same I used to love chiesa so fing much
Honestly a shame he fell of π
ACL man
@haughty swan less than 8h
@haughty swan 4 hours
I was sleeping...
You have an hour now
I would've taken nuno mendes but Davies was different gravy π₯
Aside from frimpong(who isnt even a proper rb) name me a rb who fits the list that has more g/a than him
All 5 people in my backline have won the league that season
Someone give me nigel rice cooker cuz my backline is cooking smthg
Andy cole
@finite helm 12 hour
Just got out dentist...3 injections to numb ππ
The other one got picked?
HEY THAT'S MY POOKIE
First game was 14th I think
Yeah the community shield was the 14th
Or something like that
But transfrmarket had him down as u23 for 94/95 for some reason π€·π
I just ask chat gpt
I don't think so
The first game was when he was 24 tho
Weird
@fresh pier dms please we need to figure something out
First one was September
PL games were already happening
They technically count July
So probably that's why π€·π½ββοΈ
why dont you just set specific date
I have a player that had a decent season but his team had robbed the whole season would it be eligible?
like players have to be 23 or under before september or august or sth loke that
Player performance is the priority yk
What's that supposed to mean?
Calciopoli
Thats why I said no to what Curt wanted for his ST spot
Or wtv it's called
Tried explaining that already to a couple people xD
Ah the scandal
Juve pick
π
Yh
He said striker
Wonder who
So
I think we know who it is
Someone steal it lol
Tell me in dm
Damn that's rough
Reckon cole loses 2/3 places Vs shearers rank for strikers lol
Shearers 94/95 season was insane
But cole had the prem record till Salah last year π€·
But he counts as 24
@fresh pier also agrees Shearer 94/95 isnt eligible
I'm surprised cole were still available too tho
Suarez was a lesser pick for me incase people like cole were taken π
And his flexibility
But I got bale and several rw/rm picks to choose from
@finite talon
Does 89/90 season count? @serene onyx
No
No
90/91
Ok
yeah i didnt really know who to pick
i knew it wasnt a good pick
ykw im gonna change next turn
Does the eye test matter or mostly g/a for attackers
Individual performance basically means g/a, individual awards, and probably more advanced statistics that weren't available back then
So if I put someone with mid stats but great on the ball and stuff like that,will it be a bad pick?
Strikers,wingers and cams all ways to rank with g/a to help
Keepers too for cleansheets and goals conceded
Cm is kinda in the middle
CDM too
CB difficult to rank
Fullbacks are sometimes easy sometimes difficult
Ok
In old days, that stuffs aren't recorded.
So I personally won't count myself on them.
I search on Tranfermarkt so I think I'm good even with old players
@finite helm less than 5 hours btw
@finite helm About 2 hours
Spikez is winning the draft for sure
His defense is great but he hasn't done much on the attacking front
He has lots of big name players though so that might help
Nah im sacrificing a position soo hopefully that position doesnt do too bad
They played a 3 back iirc
So he counts
Less than 10 games as rb
It was a 3 back though
RM/RB in a 3 back are the same thing
Bruddah ur frimpong never played rb as well he was also rwb/rm
Yes.
@tame widget gl bro 3h
@hardy ravine be ready in 2 hours
Alr
primarily yes
Ahhh thats bad and good at the same time
I was planning to take someone in the championship
@tame widget less than 20 minutes
@hardy ravine u take over now I think
It's more the individuals performance...like toty etc ...league quality probably a factor too tho
Could still be a decent pick π€·
Can i pick someone that started from 23?
And then turned 24 like in a few months
Alr I took Wayne Macarooney
Just ping me if it isnt allowed
As long as the player that you pick started the season either 23 or younger than that he's eligible
white got him
Ah I'm so blind
Bro its ur turn btw
Oh ok
No
Harry isn't even short for Harold π
I'm cooking π₯Ή
Good pick
?
Someone had picked alaba
Yeah not many better
And he's crazy young
Can't believe UTD missed out on him π
Got Ugarte instead π€£π€£π€£π€£π€£
But I think he would've failed anyway in utd
Ugarte is a great player just not the type of midfielder we need right now
I think under amorim Neves would've been good
He wouldn't have the same teammates as in PSG tho and imo there's way more pressure when you're playing for utd
Especially after everyone thinking that PSG would be bad this season
He's too good for current man utd tho
Yeah he is
I think you should continue with that overrated ahh foul merchant CDM
I don't think Bruno and neves compliment eachother at cm tbh
Both progressive players lacking defensive ability
Baleba would be a dream signing for midfield imo
Baleba will NEVER join utd
Could go for Douglas luiz ngl
You'll need to sign Alisha Lehmann as well
She's more useful for Juve this season
oh he will
HELL NAHH HE BLOODY DANCED ON UTD
Can she play in goal? rather take her over onana
Its a low bar
Nah
And Douglas was lower than that π
Y'all just use him wrong
Thats why the bar become so low and yet he still couldn't pass the low bar set
@finite helm less than 4h
@hollow quartz turn
S4vi has picked him
He ain't a striker
Still he's been picked
yeah
Plan ruined π
did curt just delete his entire draft??
I think so
lol
Why tho
Crazy
Not even @winged fern would do that
That's a Birmingham moment
BCFC moment fr
Yh
Poty > young poty
Lol
Was gonna do his Lille season originally
Huh
Curt accidentally deleted his draft
Who said I wouldnβt do that
π€¦π½ββοΈ
It's u
Ofc u could
Wait a minute
That's why Son is leaving

π¨πΊπΈπ°π· LAFC are optimistic to get Son deal done with agreement very advanced, at final stages.
Son has made his decision to leave Spurs and things can now accelerate.
Fabrizio Romano himself said this shi
I accidentally released him on thatβs why he left
LaFCππ
1st muller to Whitecaps now son to LAFC
Muller probably wanted to haunt Messi
One is in the east and the other on the west they won't play against eachother
dun forget messi's bodyguard to miami as well
Fairs
He is the 2nd wife of Messi
Noooo I'm 9th
Man i wanted to be 10th
Double picks
Sent the keeper straight to the retirement home
Disrespectful af
Idk
Because after me there's @hardy ravine
Hola
Alr
(Harold Kaneπ°)
Is nesta taken?
You can check
Damn idk if im going to take a championship player
Wait curt is last now?
Yes
Who's that guy we only put real players
Hold up I'ma misclick rq and go to last
I took alba and rio Ferdinand
Cuz why jot
Not
Im pretty afraid to put a championship player
Your team is already kinda finished so you ain't got much to lose
His team is just a bunch of big name players
It's not bad
But name tax is gonna help him out
Big name players with bad seasons
Yeah that's what his team is
Ye no worries
Wait lemme change smt rq
I took Moroccan qpr player
Adel Taarabt
But idt thats his position
Just check
You got Google?
I trust nipun though he usually ranks fairly
Fotmob
Other than his crazy rank of mctominay above Pedri in the tots draft
So you ain't got google?
Mate you got google?
Go to transfermarkt
Go to tranfermarkt and check where his position was
Ye its says cm
Ok
Fernando @haughty swan turn
Oops
I picked let me talk
You have to put him CAM he didn't play atleast 33% of his games as a CM that season
Crikey
Alr
Anyways im done
My formation is so unique
4-1-2-3 (attacking version)
@finite helm go
I picked walter samuel
24 goals conceded in a 2nd place roma side
forgot milner was once a youngster π€¦ββοΈ
i was so confused when i saw milners name LOL
π
What I find weird is fabregas 09/10 season
And milner won young poty over him π
@graceful violet go picked Hummels
Whyyyyyyyyyy
One of UTD's most crucial players in that title winning season
Was he your next pick?
Lol
People probably overlooked him because he only had 4 g/a but he was a defensive monster
And a top 10 RB that season itw
Atleast I have 2-3 more options ready and there's only one person that doesn't have a RB
WE'RE SAFEEEEEEEE
Omg fr
He's always been so old
XD
Some crazy names not taken btw π
I reckon I could make a decent draft with leftover players lol
Tell us
Or atleast me
In DM's
I only have a RB
Some people could still take em
Can't pick anyone just 3 options
Gimme fr
I'm almost locked for my cb pick
The CB position is easy af Easy
Maybee
Gimme a hint
He's a cb for starters
What a hint
I deleted them just incase someone hasn't picked
Lol fair
Ye
Top 5 leagues
Yes
Is the country he's from like a top 15
Checked and yes
Dutch
Yh I took him
Lol
I meant his season π
Tell me in DM's I won't tell anyone
Ngl the strat for this draft is to focus on the midfield and attack first
There's actually a bunch of good LBs and RBs
And the defenders are probably gonna be rated on name tax though I hope not
π’
@graceful violet 12 hrs
Hmm LB time
@kindred swan go
Chose Patrice evra
One of the best U23 LB seasons since 1990 imo
Locked down Madrid and Chelsea in the UCL
Reece or Maicon?
Bro @kindred swan please change this formatting what is this ππ
Ain't ma fault you on PC or smth
Reece James who according to Chelsea fans when healthy is the best player itw
Xiaomi Poco
LOL
I ain't even got a pc
What the hell is that
I've never heard of a xiaomi poco
Nope
What phone you using ?
Rich boy
Bro it wasn't even that expensive π
How much was it
My phone is like 200 π
At least its not an Iphone
Mine is 190
In 12 installments
Nah wth
Most people in the US probably make more than 40k a year or smth
Yeah easily depending on area
Thats not a lot
Where do you live
Where I live you have to make like 100k+ just to live comfortably
Florida
Virginia
Insane
Even more in Florida
Northern Virginia to be exact since the rest of Virginia is kind of more poor
Yeah probably depending on area
Especially in like Miami and stuff
In Greece you'll be lucky to find a job that pays more than 1000 monthly
Different economies too
Wtf
And stuff here is hella expensive
No offence Greece and Portugal are very poor countries in europe
Stop leaking my location american
Pretty sure my county is like the 12th richest in the US or something but it's also super expensive
The whole Balkan area is poor
I'm sorry Mr Maldini π
Cost of living is probably not that bad right
@finite helm go
I mean,I ain't an adult so I don't have to pay shi but still
Agree here too like tht
@still torrent to ur turn now
@serene onyx the 2020 euros is included in 2020/21 season right?
Not if he chose the right season XD
Yh a season of 11 and 5 in 46 is the right season
Look all comps too.
Too late now π
That's ALL comps
Like we get it you like glazing man utd legends and players in general but YOU should check your stats first
He picked 92/93 I'm pretty sure
.
saulniguez y'all NEED to watch Saul's 4th earlist post
It's got like 600k views if you didn't understand which one I meant
Pirlo my last pick
17 g/a + ucl + coppa italia
Absolute cinema
@finite talon go
And brozo is literally live on his tiktok wtf π
Btw why everyone's formations 4-2-3-1 or something so offensive
Convert to rossaneri at this point
We'll welcome you with open arms π€
i only have 3 milan players
Its enough βΊοΈ
Oh gosh i js realised i have 0 man utd players
You're an utd fan?
Do u not see my name?
Oh hey it could be Newcastle united 
Let's swap varane for maldini π₯Ίπ
eeew watch that dusty club lose the race for sesko
They have tonali π₯Ί
nahhh maldini play lb that time varane is cb
alr for nesta then
Hell nahh besides that nesta was at lazio at that time
He's still our legend π€
Wasn't that the year we dumped like 5 or 7 goals on his Lazio side
Well yes but lazio still won the domestic treble lol
π
@haughty swan 12 hours
Surprised you aint asleep
Wow π₯²
I have a very inconsistent sleep schedule
Isn't it 4am or something for u
No
I can tell
10 36
PM?
Yes
Nvm then 
Ask @fresh pier
Oh my fellow Liverpool brother π₯°
Will i ever become a judge for the draft
π₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ί
Someone's on the east coast
If you take drafts seriously and win one of them, then yes
I was locked in on this one
Do a Milan xi of all time and I'll win π
