Glaring issue regarding class specializations for certain robots

[deep plank]

I am aware that the upcoming specialization hasn’t been fully implemented yet but I would still like to point out a glaring problem in regards to how some ultimate editions have been given other (arguably worse) classes than their normal counterparts.

Here is a list of Ultimate Edition robots with classes that should definitely be changed because they hardly make sense right now, along with reasons why:

Ultimate Ares:
Is set as “Brawler” right now while its normal counterpart is set as “Damage dealer”.
The repair amp or self fix unit that brawler provides will not keep this flimsy bot alive. Last stand is the only benefit that UE Ares gets.
Should probably be turned into “Damage dealer” like the normal Ares or turned into “Raider” (because of how Ultimate Ares has been more frequently used as “Anti titan” measures and has a built in weapon which would benefit off of damage boosts.)
Both UE Ares and normal Ares can’t brawl in todays meta, simply because so many things provide shieldbreaker which is why UE Ares should be “Damage dealer” or “Raider”

Ultimate AO Jun:
Is set as “Brawler” right now while its normal counterpart is set as “Raider”.
Just like UE Ares, UE Jun is extremely flimsy and will hardly benefit from the defensive traits that the “Brawler” class provides. UE Jun needs its flight ability and built in weapon to deal good amounts of damage which is why the “Raider” class would make so much more sense for UE Jun. UE Jun can’t fight without its flight and making it “Brawler” will not help it last any longer so the best choice is to improve what it already has: Ability damage and “anti titan” measurement capabilities.

Ultimate Rayker:
Is set as “Brawler” right now while its normal counterpart is set as “Damage dealer”.
This is, like the previous two examples, a case of giving a robot the brawler class while it simply cant brawl that well.
UE Rayker would be ‘okay’ as a “Brawler” class because it has a decent amount of health and doesn’t really rely on a long cooldown abilitiy for it to stay alive in combat. That being said, many people have Always seen Rayker and by extension, UE Rayker as a mid to long range fighter and sideliner that tends to get destroyed quite fast when it comes down to facing opponents in head-on or close range battles.
This is why I believe that while UE Rayker being “Brawler” isn’t as bad as UE Ares or UE Jun, the “Damage dealer” class just makes so much more sense.

Ultimate Spectre:
Is set as “Saboteur” right now while its normal counterpart is set as “Damage dealer”.
Saboteur seems to be intended for beacon rushing and fast robots. Ultimate spectre is not a beacon rusher, nor is it particularly fast. Everyone who uses Ultimate spectre uses it either as a close ranged ambush predator or as a long range sniper which is why the “Damage dealer” class is absolutely perfect for it. Both the Assault Unit and Rangefinder modules reflect this compatibility.
This is why I believe that UE Spectre should be “Damage dealer” Instead of “Saboteur”.

[sour ether]

And Phantom?

[warped panther]

I agree with everything you said, for some reason, many ultimate bots that were touted as unnerfable by the community got suddenly nerfed by this rework.

We have Ares ending up as brawler, AJ ending up as raider, rayker ending up as brawler, spectre ending up as sabotuer, bulgasari and phantom ending up as sabotuer as well...

Some bots got their proper class, such as griffin and fenrir getting brawler

but many other bots got a slap to the face with their specialization

[deep plank]

Phantom is also questionable (I believe it should be brawler), but both normal and UE Phantom are the same class while these Ultimates are literally different classes from their original counterparts

[warped panther]

I am not saying that this is pixonic intentionally nerfing the robots that people spent large amounts of money for, but it certainly does seem like they either don't play the game they make

[sour ether]

Oh, right
Normal robot classes could be a whole other post lol

[deep plank]

I feel like its a genuine attempt at making some bots more durable and diversifying the “robot cast” but it just doesn’t work, I have already stated why UE Ares and UE Jun cant function as the “Brawler” class. Or why UE spectre is not meant for speed and beacon rushing and should focus on damage, which is what players use it for. UE Rayker is still iffy for me because it could genuinely be good as a brawler depending on how the specialization stat boosts work but its playstyle is much more tailored towards mid range.
As for UE Bulga, I wanted to put it on the list too, along with UE Fujin but those two honestly dont really precisely fit in any of the current classes at all.
UE Fujin got the best it could get, with the repair amp and last stand that “Brawler” provides. You could argue that “Support” is better for it. but its only a small difference and UE Fujin isn’t really a support outside of having a protective shield.
UE Bulga is very ambiguous in its role, or rather more of a jack of all trades type bot. It doesn’t really need the “Brawler” class that its normal counterpart has because UE Bulga already has a massive shield that can block a lot of damage if played correctly. You could argue that its better for it to have the “Damage dealer” Class, which makes some sense because you want to dispatch enemies as fast as possible but it genuinely already hits pretty hard, especially if you have the pilot. I think that the speed you gain from the “Saboteur” class is more of a benefit because it will allow you to stall for longer (which is something you’ll have to do a lot of anyways) thats just my thoughts though

[deep plank]

I hope the right people see this

[jade pond]

After playing both UE Phantom and UE Bulgasuri, I can say I use Phantom more as a beacon capturer and Bulgasuri more as a brawler. Whilst I don't disagree with both of them being a "saboteur", Phantom is going to be hurt the most considering it won't have access to RAs. Similar story with UE Bulgasuri, this thing doesn't exactly need brawler, but having both RA and IA taken away will definitely make it's role much harder to fit into games

[deep plank]

Yeah I agree, Pantom will be a lot less tanky now (but still a worthy oponent) I just hope someone on the developer side realizes that some of these classes make no sense and changes them accordingly (preferably the ones I previously named, which are probably the strangest class picks of all)

[leaden lagoon]

Even when pixonic avoids nerfing ultimates, they still find a way to do it and this is it. I find it really ironic that the normal counterpart was placed in the right class, while the UE gets…whatever it has 💀pixonic knows what they’re doing and this needs to be changed. Most UEs are nowhere near as strong as the current meta by default. Factoring in the cost to obtain and level, this is a joke

[deep plank]

I believe they will at the very least, see this post if enough people talk on it and about this topic

[leaden lagoon]

I hope they do. I got away with getting the UE griffin for 70 and thats considered lucky. Imagine the players that spend hundreds getting one of the previous ones. I know a clanmate that barely got the ue phantom and had to spend almost $100 on the final leaderboard because pixonic did not let players miss any leaderboards for the third scourge. Terrible way to treat players

[deep plank]

I don’t think they changed a thing…

I gotta look into this

Nvm they actually listened!!!!!