#Buff to all Support / Healing bots through MS

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tranquil crystal
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Healing bots are underutilised in this game due to there simply not needing them to be around. A simple solution to make support bots more viable would be:

allowing healing to charge motherships

  • This would give more benefits for people to start running more support bots due to having an advantage on the battlefield.

  • The more you heal, the more mothership charge you gain. The more people around, the greater the yield.

  • Healing yourself would not give any mothership charge, as it removes the edge for support bots.

  • Healing grey damage would also charge motherships, and could be argued to charge MORE than normal healing.

Overall the gain from healing would be noticeable and decent, but not as much compared to the old mothership rate. I believe this would make supports more viable than most are.

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In fairness supports like demeter and pathfinder, mender ( and to a certain extent khepri ) are good, using them over other bots can be hard to justify

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This makes that decision much more in favour for supports, allowing more team play and tactical decision making

dense nova
tranquil crystal
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Alr i get it, pathfinder is amazing but i would argue its main benefits come from the bonus speed and damage

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Nonetheless this should be a way to buff supports Sippysip

loud lichen
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Yes, agreed

tranquil crystal
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20 votes 🥳

hardy sapphire
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I love to use mender and demeter, i love to be suport in my team, but healers become almost useless. Reward for healing is a joke, is almost nothing, this thing need to be changed

tranquil crystal
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Same, support under appreciated in general

loud lichen
magic bloom
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👍

tranquil crystal
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🥳

tranquil crystal
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Itll apply for titans aswell Sippysip

hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen mender lvl 1 mk2, with marie leclair lvl 30 , quakers and atomizer (all weapons at lvl 1 mk2) , nuclear amplifier, repair amplifier and imune amplifier ( all module lvl 1), i manage to kill some new bots, some titans. Max damage with mender that survive all match from start to end( heal +damage was ~ 4000000 dmg)… but on some games i do one kill and i am ded.

hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen no, but you can show mee what you have

sacred wolf
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They will do this when they figure out a way to monetize the living daylights out if your idea. Meanwhile you'll get an Ultimate dementre next with a 3rd pilot even though weyland need help more.

tranquil crystal
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Its to be expected, however i think instead of really placing a monetary barrier to this idea, they would instead use this idea to send out bots that are adapted to the boosted mothership rates instead

Basically allowing us to get full value of the idea whilst allowing pixonic to get what they want

tranquil crystal
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Bro the dedication to mender is real Mako_Cookie

hardy sapphire
loud lichen
hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen i have 2 menders but i use only one in main hangar

loud lichen
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I like how I either only use one per game.. or use them all when I fight overpowered stuff

hardy sapphire
loud lichen
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💪🏼

hardy sapphire
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i have nodens too but i fell that artur is stronger

loud lichen
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I am too dedicated that I don't even use this...
(Used in extermination)

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Brb

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This

hardy sapphire
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i plan to build one hangar only with heallers but crafting time, upgrading time, upgrading cost only make me to don't do this

loud lichen
hardy sapphire
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full meta, nice.I can't dream at this😂

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i plan to upgrade to mk3 mender and demeter, after i make that hangar full mk2

loud lichen
# loud lichen

I don't use this... Only shenlou when I really really need kills/win..
If it wasn't for the annoying thing where I need to win/ kill specific amounts of robots in under this amount per second

tranquil crystal
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Also i was interested in seeing, in for a buff about mender that the pulses deal damage 🤔

hardy sapphire
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@tranquil crystal nah, just more rewards for healing, the same reward how they give for damage

tranquil crystal
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Aight fine then just stay with more healing = more mothership charge

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Also im thinkin what should the chargerate be per healing

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Would 10k = 1% be too much?

inland bridge
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btw wasnt there a poll like a year ago asking players if they wanted healing and dmg stats to be displayed seperately at the end of a match?

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what happened to that

tranquil crystal
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No idea

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But clearly it didnt work cus they arent separate

hardy sapphire
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@tranquil crystal with mender heale that will be 7-8% /ability, the same or 2-3% more with demeter (depending on damage absorbet by shield) from what i see when i play with them. In combination with weapon ca be a thing.

tranquil crystal
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Hmmm 🤔

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If thats true, i honestly think it should be more

hardy sapphire
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@inland bridge i remember that, but i think they say something about some technical issue or software issue that don't alow to do this

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@tranquil crystal hmm, i thinck mender repair more hp, never counted, what i know is that i manage to full heal one scorpion that was at 40-45% hp, demeter can repair even more hp and i forget to count the arial healing ( can heal multiple aly)… so in this case will fill mothership fast

tranquil crystal
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Hmm

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I think halved then

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5k = 1%

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I do think it should be quite substantial, but not too much

hardy sapphire
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@tranquil crystal When i do my max damage 6.2m, 4.2 was damage and 2m was healing, if the sistem have registred the corect numbers, in my opinion 5k - 1 % will be way to much, you can fill mothership 2 times / ability if you have all teamates in range and need alot of repair

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10k -15k - 1% fill rate to be fair

tranquil crystal
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My thinking is, sure it will be a lot when all teamates in range, but not all teamates in range usually, it tends to be healing 1 teamate at a time 🤔idk

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Ill stick with 10k then

loud lichen
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Mender having high defence points give it a high ground when fighting against people with shield piercing weapon or shield breaker

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If Demmy is lucky, and enemy don't have shield breaker.. she'll have the high ground.
On 1v1 scenario... Not sure, but if both used the same guns and use modules that's their weakness.. hmmm... Maybe I'm highballing mender bit too much but I do think mender will beat Demeter...

hardy sapphire
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i kill demeter with mender in 1v2, i was in mender with atomicer and quakers setup st lvl 1 mk2 and marie leclair lvl 30, i strike at first enemy (ophion that just finish ability) ' one demeter come to help him ( jump with ability), i enter in demeter shield doing damage and don't let him to recover full hp. My modules nuclear amplifier ,imune amplifier and repair amplifier was charged at 40-50%. I manage to fill the mothersip charge ( aegis and heal) that heal some damage and give to me nice shield. My advantage here was that quaker/atomizer shoot nonstop and at close range still do signifiant damage even if weapen are overgeated, and i in 7-8 sec demeter was down. Ophion use his ability, i manage to take cover using my ability ( losed one weapon)… ophion ability finish, and i finish him fast ( i let my weapons to cooldown in cover).
I take profit from nonstop fire of my weapons ( enemy need to recharge their weapons 3-5 seconds)

loud lichen
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Also it's fun seeing people needing to use phase shift because a medic is beating them lol

hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen 🤣, the only bad thing is lag and targeting sistem, almost everitime my MANUAL target sistem jump from one target to other target. Manual or auto is the same thing, both work bad

loud lichen
inland bridge
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idk if its been mentioned here yet or not but support should be able to work on stealthed friendlies, half the time im trying to support a stealthed crisis or lynx and I just cant

tranquil crystal
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Hmm thonk

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Yeah i always thought that was strange

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It makes sense in a way, but in most games, friendlies are allowed to view allies in stealth

chrome wedge
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It possible with the quantum radar right?

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To target the friendly

loud lichen
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Ye.. I think

tame birch
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wouldnt that be op for lvl 12 kestrel?

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nvm, it wont charge if you self heal

tranquil crystal
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Yeah, gaining ms from self heal would be too much, imagine tanks or titans

tame birch
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have reduced ms chargue, chargue depends on %durability

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like healed 10% of your durability so then charge 5% ms

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nah nvm too op

loud lichen
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1% charge per 10% durability healed
(Mothership?)(Titan?)

hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen i think better just healing done with bots and titans that have the ability to heal multiple teamates in the same times. And 1% /10k healed can be to much in some scenario. Imagine demeter jumping in middle of ally to do healing jobe or mender in the same position, can charge mothership in few seconds. From what i see, demeter and mender have ability to heal 50k+ hp / ally in range

dense nova
loud lichen
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I love them 😍

tranquil crystal
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There are individuals out there who exclusively main bots Sippysip and i support 👍

loud lichen
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Poor you.... 😔

novel aurora
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Ik

hardy sapphire
tranquil crystal
# novel aurora Ik

Ok ok hear me out, tyr isnt Terrible as a normal brawler, but its supportive capabilities are arguably the worst out of all supports cat_cry

hardy sapphire
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@tranquil crystal i love tyr, was my first healler, and i still use them on steam acc

novel aurora
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And avenge a Ocho stuck in the ravine/river

loud lichen
hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen with corosive weapon in low ligues can do this. With radiation weapon at mk2 can do the same

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why i love mender, when work, work so nice😁

loud lichen
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I'd like to challenge you starsineyes

novel aurora
novel aurora
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Maybe later, I have something I have to do this weekend why_cry

loud lichen
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Sure

tranquil crystal
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Damn topkek

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I actually im interested to see this

hardy sapphire
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@tranquil crystal i am in too topkek

loud lichen
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Medic vs medic

novel aurora
loud lichen
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Sure

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Lmao.. imagine 5 menders vs 1 tyr💀

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But not now though

novel aurora
solar estuary
# novel aurora Do we want to do this thing now? Btw is it just one Tyr vs one mender, and don’t...

Well The Mender's ability is called Support. The robot gains increased movement speed (33%), damage reduction (64% / 175 defense points), and repairs itself and others (50% to 70% of Mender's durability). Mender emits 7 healing pulses at the beginning of its ability activation. These healing pulses repair a fixed number of hit points (see table). The higher Mender's level is the more hit points it can repair. The value starts at nearly half of Mender's durability and goes up to close to three quarters. Any number of allies located within Mender's healing radius (a 75m green circle) receive this healing. The Support ability lasts for 8 seconds and has a 15-second cooldown phase.

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However

For the Tyr, when it activates its own support mode, it sends out a single repair impulse that instantly repairs itself and all ally robots within 75 meters a fixed amount of durability. While in Support Mode the Tyr deploys a repair aura allowing it to heal both itself and allies slowly over time, while also granting this robot a speed boost of +15 km/h. However, its light weapons are disabled and fold back and can't be used

Remember

You also have the Ultimate Mender, I'm gonna put up some stats of both, so u can make the comparison

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Tyr is very much weaker then both of those

loud lichen
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I say let the players skill do the talking

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Unless it's a curie I'm about to fight..

hardy sapphire
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Tyr aslo have psihical shield, that can take some damage before is destroyed

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my tyr at lvl 9 stats

chrome wedge
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Healing + Effiel = Bruh

loud lichen
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The skyros was just an annoying bug for the mender lol

tranquil crystal
loud lichen
tranquil crystal
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But better

loud lichen
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Ye.. so I'm not ue mender

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It's a different breed

tranquil crystal
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Get ue mender TUT_gun

loud lichen
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Give me money

tranquil crystal
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Hmm na i dont think i will

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Run weyland instead then

loud lichen
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Then nah. I don't think I'll get it..

loud lichen
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Welly the weyland is unfortunately weak

chrome wedge
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support is already good

loud lichen
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No

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We don't get enough credit for what we do

hardy sapphire
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healing 150k hp shud be rewarded like a kill , i never tahe more than 500 honor points for healing ( sometimes damage + heal was over 6,2 milion where i think 2 milion was only healing based of what was recorded as max damage 4,2 milion my max damage) , and if i do kills i can easy pass this number of honor points

keen stone
hardy sapphire
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here are some stats after one of my games, you can se where they can boost healing jobe

loud lichen
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Healing durability of allies is low ;-;

solar estuary
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U mean honour points

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The more u heal, the more points u get

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  1. Battle Rewards. By earning Honor Points, you will progress to the next crate inside your Battle Reward supply line. When your Honor Point number reaches the demanded amount, you will open the respective crate, which will provide you with all sorts of currency like Power Cells, Silver and even Components for numerous robots and weapons.

  2. OXP. By acquiring Honor Points, you will also get more OXP, which allows you to progress further inside the current Operation and thus get more rewards. If you purchase an Operation Pass, you can technically gain twice the prizes from the same amount of Honor Points.

  3. Pilot XP. By earning Honor Points, your Pilot(s), if not already at full and waiting for a promotion, will get Pilot XP. This allows your current Pilot trait to become stronger, and head towards the next rank, which will unlock a new skill for your Pilot to learn.

  4. Special Delivery Tasks. By gaining Honor Points, if there is a Special Delivery event on, the chances are you will complete tasks with them, and convert them to Tokens, which can be used to cash in on prizes.

  5. Platinum Tasks. By earning Honor Points, you can complete your daily Platinum tasks, which will reward you with Platinum. Platinum can be used to purchase and upgrade Titans, Titan Weapons and Titan Modules.

tranquil crystal
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Now why havent u upvoted why_cry

loud lichen
weak lion
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yeah healing is underappreciated in the game

slender steppe
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WZJB5O
Check out my first hangar. I am a medic through and through. I do agree that support bots need more love, i do believe that the ones we have now are okay. Its a matter of practice

weak lion
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The problem is power creep nowadays we have avalon and other gray damage repairs as well as repair amps, Weyland was S tier before any form of self repair existed and still very solid when only module and mechanic skill was around, despite receiving several buffs weyland is terrible at its original job now
Disclaimer: Only considering healing, not tanking

tribal jacinth
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Buff demeter

tranquil crystal
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Yes, altho weyland is underrated in terms of tanking, its healing capabilities are just kinda useless

tranquil crystal
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If anything demeter enjoys this a lot due to its high healing

tribal jacinth
tranquil crystal
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Which if ur playing demeter effectively, should be happening Sippysip

tribal jacinth
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🦧

tranquil crystal
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Now out of all supports bots out there i think khepri benefits the most from this

tribal jacinth
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Definitely

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Mender too

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High as hell heals

weak lion
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I used to play demeter a lot and the regular healing is good but gray healing seems quite underwhelming after the nerfs, can't seem to fix more than 10% of my HP even when fully charged

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I know they nerfed because of death squads running 6 of them but then again ares train before shieldbreaker was also cancer

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Mender with the 30% is pretty decent but I do wish the demeter pilot got a small buff

tranquil crystal
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They wouldnt be too much of a problem nowdays anyway

weak lion
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I wish they removed most other sources of gray healing and gave every support robot passive gray damage healing at this point (with different %s of course)

tranquil crystal
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Yeah it would definitely make supports more viable

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But idk if pixonic sees that happening, let alone this

weak lion
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They'll make a pilot at most to make people spend money because they will never do anything for free

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And that's definitely not their highest priority

tranquil crystal
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Nope but it is what it is

loud lichen
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Demeter is more of shielding while heal and is vulnerable to shield piercing attacks

Mender is more of pure healing and temporary tank... Vulnerable to rust, and attacks that bypass defence systems

Weyland, is more of a walking tank and buffer.

Kehpri is a tank, buffer, healer...
Wow...

Tyr is... Uhh..... Not sure

Nightingale is a debuffer, vulnerable to quantum radar

Uhh... Not sure if there's more.. someone can change this if y'all want

tranquil crystal
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Tyr is very true owlol

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Also pathfinder is technically a support aswell

tribal jacinth
tranquil crystal
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It actually does owlol

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Altho other healing sources such as RA modules and mechanic are still blocked, weylands built in healing ignores rust

slender steppe
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Te kehpri needs a grey area heal buff.

slender steppe
loud lichen
slender steppe
slender steppe
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Make the grey heals only work for the healee

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And viola self nerf with a buff

weak lion
inland bridge
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tbh demeter gray hp healing is prefectly balanced imo, mender gray hp healing is outrageous,

weak lion
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What about avalon on low hp robots?

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Because if you put it that way it makes sense

loud lichen
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Demeter has a shield.. it's powerful against stuff with no shield breaker,
Mender on the other hand is completely vulnerable, considering the only thing he have is temporary high defence
Mender have low hp pool

weak lion
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I just remembered that gray damage was not intended to be repaired but look where we are at now

loud lichen
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If mender have high hp pool yeas the healing will now be outrageous

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Demeter also heals more

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I saw that

weak lion
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I didn't delete that

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I think there was a filter on the word bra1n dead

loud lichen
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Jk

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Lemme try

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Brain

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Dead

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Hmmm

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Brain dead

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Nope

weak lion
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Basically those videos where Youtubers run "unkillable mender" and stay in the open and still survive

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I used the two words together likethis

loud lichen
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I focus on speed

weak lion
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Me too

loud lichen
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So not sure how those guys are able to do it

loud lichen
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I didn't die from the flame luchador.. I expect to be disintegrated

weak lion
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They probably run maxed pilot skills amplifiers spam modules etc

loud lichen
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😦

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Spam module maybe

weak lion
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Don't get me wrong amplifiers are good

loud lichen
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Active modules. They spam

weak lion
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But they're too meta and getting pretty stale imo, literally not using them is considered off meta and the majority of players use/suggest them

chrome wedge
tame birch
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Most players are scared of sonics, even if they're lvl 1

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They're too disturbing

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Like you're going well and rushing and tanking with curie but a ravana havoc comes and destroys half your health

compact gyro
loud lichen
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Flame luchador having a hard hard time trying to kill me

compact gyro
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yeah

compact gyro
loud lichen
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Nah.. actually removing mass off your robot??

inland bridge
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starts creating physically visible chunks bitten off your bot

hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen imune amplifier + drone that give the same stats + mothership that give the same stats?

loud lichen
loud lichen
weak lion
weak lion
hardy sapphire
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@loud lichen oh boy...litl mender can be a beast

tame birch
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So not pretty necessary

weak lion
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I can already sense a gray damage power creep

hardy sapphire
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share some love to mender

weak lion
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"Heal"

tranquil crystal
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Ngl i forgot imugi has healing aswell

weak lion
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Let's be honest literally everyone forgot about the portals themselves becauase Imugi has become yet another boring "fly up with stealth shoot some enemies land and wait for ability recharge" robot

tranquil crystal
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Yeah

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Reason being it is quite good at being that fly up + stealth bot,

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But tbf the portal has some supportive capabilities nonetheless, especially if you play in an organised squad

weak lion
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Change especially to only and you would be completely right

tranquil crystal
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Eh fair enough

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I have had it happen before where it basically wins a game

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But that was basically a one off

weak lion
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I think 🐷sonic "forgot" to disable the weapons in flight like they did with nightingale

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Maybe a last minute change to get more whales to buy since the trailer didn't say anything about the damage boost from the ability

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Would've been a feast or famine robot otherwise though so I guess it's not too bad

compact gyro
weak lion
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can get slow tanks to the action quickly as well

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unfortunately doesn't work on titans

weak lion
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which is why i use pathfinder instead, it only requires action on my part

solar estuary
# compact gyro the joy i get when someone actually uses my imugi portal. but its amazing in squ...

Yes the imugi portal can be good because in order to correctly utilize the Imugi, commanders must make sure to set up the 'entrance portal' (the one the Imugi initially drops when its ability is activated) at an easily accessible location. It should be close enough to allied robots so that they can enter without much trouble, but not too close where unintentional teleporting can occur and while in the air, the Imugi should ideally utilize a path that is relatively shielded but also direct enough so that it can reach its intended destination. After landing, it needs time to drop its exit portal safely. While the Imugi does have stealth, there's always the danger that an enemy has stealth targeting in their loadout. Given the Imugi's low to moderate durability, it can be crippled and even destroyed if it doesn't land safely.

weak lion
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That's a wonderful response

strange smelt
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pull a tf2 and give us assists on kills by the people we are healing

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also a not laughable small amount of points from healing

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buff to healing of other teammates as in they get a idk 20% increased healing value. they get healed faster than you do. its a fair debuff and it would make people actually value support bots

weak lion
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Luigi says:
if it won't make them cash,
the idea goes in the trash

tranquil crystal
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Yeah i also thought of that

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Specifically damage boosting robots i.e khepri and pathfinder, should perhaps get assists when boosting a teamate

weak lion
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While I do like that idea they obviously made those robots as yet another selfish meta robot, to most playets the team mechanic is just a gimmick

stable kiln
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make playing a healer enojoyable and rewarding

tranquil crystal
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Yes

weak lion
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Nowadays they give support robots a crap ton of firepower to encourage people to play them
And not as a support robot of course
Examples include pre nerf Khepri, imugi shooting and landing in the same spot, and pathfinder with meta weapons

sacred meadow
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Here is an idea why not a support pilot & bot that can ignore rust.... Wouldnt that be something?? It would be anti anti-healing...

loud lichen
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They might do it..
They technically stole my taunt skill... But I forgot which titan concept it was.

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Found it

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Skill name of taunt mechanic.
Fortify

weak lion
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I made a concept for mute approximately 12 months ago except it applied suppression instead of blind

loud lichen
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It almost copied mine entirely but instead of shield having hp, it is absorber shield 💀

weak lion
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it's alright without the pilot

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it's not op even with the pilot just a little too uncomfortably long (sometimes the extra duration delays the cooldown for the next use)

chrome wedge
dense nova
loud lichen
# dense nova You described something very different from taunt

Taunt gives dmg bonus to the one taunted enemy
My taunt mechanic in fortify is all of them.. how it works is it will lock their target to only target the robot which is the same as the fortify mechanic..
(Fortify mechanic from another game called "")
The only difference is that,
Mine targets everyone, and doesn't give pew pew..(edited part:) and gives enemy pew pew dmg to itself

dense nova
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Not the other way around, and bedwyr is able to taunt up to 400m and one single target

loud lichen
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With taunt being nerfed into 1 target only

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And no dmg boost for enemy but instead it's the other way around

dense nova
loud lichen
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Oh wait never mind

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Oh actually yes

loud lichen
dense nova
loud lichen
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That's what I said

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Brtb

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Gotta do dishes.. I'll explain a bit later

loud lichen
# dense nova I'm saying it's quite different

The concept of Adamant's Fortify and Bedwyr's abilities share striking similarities that suggest Bedwyr's design may have been inspired by my earlier idea. Both feature a taunting mechanism that draws enemy fire, combined with a shield that absorbs damage to protect allies. Adamant's Fortify skill not only generates a durable shield but also debuffs enemies within range, reducing their damage boost. Similarly, Bedwyr's Duel applies a taunt and DEATHMARK to increase the damage taken by the enemy, while Barrier Field creates a shield that enhances durability by converting absorbed damage. The close alignment of these mechanics, especially considering the unique combination of taunt, shield, and debuff in my concept, and the timing of my idea shared in a community before Bedwyr's release, strongly suggest that Bedwyr's design may have been influenced by my original concept.

loud lichen
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July 6 2023
Or
June 7 2023

dense nova
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Do it's unlikely they used your idea, they probably would've had bedwyr planned by then

weak lion
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Yeah test servers have new stuff almost instantly after new updates but a year is quite a long time

dense nova
weak lion
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alright thanks

loud lichen
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😖

loud lichen
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Why does this kept pinging me

novel aurora
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Idk, but same