I need some explanation

[drifting marten]

How do the titan repair amplifier work? Also is this the cause of what makes my opponent titans seem "immortal"? I swear there should be at least some grey damage done that they can't heal but I just witnessed a luchador get from half hp left back to full. Pretty sure I'm missing something here...I'm still very green when it comes to titans.

Also how are Effeils this broken, I don't understand the ability. Do they just not care about damage and heal their hp back to full? Regardless of how much damage they receive?

[novel tinsel]

It charges the more damage they take

And so the more powerful the heal

Luchador is notorious for being immortal

[drifting marten]

what... So is there a limit or does this just keep happening?

[drifting marten]

what's usually the more popular build for rook in this case? Do I just pump it full of titan repair modules?

[dense jetty]

The Cannonier ability allows Eiffel to gain some temporary durability while in flight. When the flight is over, it goes back to its initial durability.

[drifting marten]

That's too broken. So does this mean it technically doesn't sustain ANY damage during flight?

[dense jetty]

Depending of the amount of damage taken.
Same for Curie btw

[wanton ruin]

it gets like 400k extra hp. once thats done then you can start actually damaging it. Its like a physical shield

[drifting marten]

dang, that's op. Btw how do you get effiel? Is it really only on the data packs?

[dense jetty]

yep, on the vault datapad

[wanton ruin]

yeah although its kinda hard to get tra's and stuff as a f2p

[novel tinsel]

yes

[novel tinsel]

yea that too

dc does help a bit

[wanton ruin]

how do you get that?

[drifting marten]

wait so is dc better than tra or do i just have to get both?

[proud crypt]

for tanky titans such as luchador and bedwyr, you need both.

you need at least 2 TRAs to make it work

[sly robin]

Titan repair amplifiers have a 60 stack requirement.

The stacks are given by hp reduction. So taking damage gives you stacks.

Each stack gives .03% healing per second

At 60 stacks you get bonuses such as gray hp restore and healing.
And most importantly your defense points cannot be bypassed.
So titan weapons and robot weapons cannot go through defense points resistance.(except reaper) That's why they're a lot more "tanky" out of nowhere.

As for the half hp to full hp no gray damage you've seen. That would be from the Avalon mothership which restores gray hp every time it's used

With both titan repair amps for resistance and Avalon for gray hp restore combined they make titans near immortal and impossible to kill

[drifting marten]

ohhh so the motherships matter too. Dang, I was confused about those titans being functionally immortal

I was even considering reporting since I thought they'd be hacking. Luckily I asked first

soooo, is 2 damage controllers and 2 titan repair amps good?

or is there a better build

for lucha and rook

[proud crypt]

yeah, it's because kind of synergy, TRA, tanky titan itself, insane MS charge from flames, Avalon grey repair.

[drifting marten]

flames?

[proud crypt]

You need 2 or 3 TRAs
Running 2 gives you more options, like extra DC or GBR, etc. Therefore, the maximum potential is higher than 3 TRA setup. However, you must be cautious at the beginning of the stack. There is a risk of being destroyed by the attack of the enemy titans. Running 3 will guarantee 60 stacks. Therefore, you can engage with the enemy immediately.
I run 2 for solo runs and 3 for squads.

[proud crypt]

titan flames have great mothership charge

[drifting marten]

Oh, ive yet to encounter one. Usually i get grinded to atoms by that homing turret used by effeils. What the heck even are those. I feel like those weapons shouldnt even be legal in the game...

I also have noticed something and have formed a thought about it. The titan Newton is in the superchest now as well as that lightning titan weapon forgot the name of in the gold chest. They weren't there before. And i guess they were in data pads before as well?

Does this mean I can just wait it out and bots from data pads would eventually end up in those boxes? (hoping for effiel and that op minigun weapon for titans, used by every single effiel i've encountered)

[proud crypt]

it's cycle. new items are released, you can get it from expensive datapads.
it would get nerfed when it get common. it's gonna be in cheaper datapad(blue)

few months later, it will be in black market.

blue datapads and black macket are kind of grave for old stuff🥲

[drifting marten]

oh...months? Looks like I'll be waiting a long time

[proud crypt]

eiffel, discordia, tumultus, bedwyr, inferno, pyro.. all gonna come to black macket someday.

after some nerfs

[drifting marten]

Guess its time for me to just grind lots of tickets and hibernate till that day comes...

hopefully the nerfs aren't too...ugly

[proud crypt]

you can't save tons of keys. season resets, your keys are automatically spent

[drifting marten]

oh what really?

i lose all my keys after season?

dang it

[proud crypt]

game roll your keys automatically when season reset

[drifting marten]

this game really forcin' me to grind all day everyday...

[proud crypt]

welcome to WR, pay or grind

or pay and grind

[drifting marten]

thanks for the info. Appreciate it. I'm off to grind till im tired

[proud crypt]

gl

[honest inlet]

What makes them immortal is 3 things

Pilot skills

When you get the max bonus you are totally inmune to defense mitigation

Together with insane healing

And also when you get the max bonus it heals 20% grey damage

What makes Eiffel immortal is how his ability works

Eiffel has like 600k hp let's say

When you go up, it gets integrated physical shields that boost his total hp

Shields can't be destroyed, they only increase temporary the health of the Eiffel

Well it isn't exactly "physical"

Shields at his max gives 480k extra hp

Means 600k + 480k is 1M hp

Eiffel gets 480k extra total hp

Let's say Eiffel countered a lucha sonics and from the 600k only 100k is grey damage, then the health will be 500k

If the Eiffel goes up with 500k, being 100k the grey damage

Then 500k + 480k

Being 980k

The shields Eiffel gets are totally different

So if you deal 480k damage to Eiffel in his ability

When it goes down it will have less health

Idk how does Eiffel health works when it goes down but

Yeah

Eiffel revives a lot with his ability

Best way to counter a titan with titan repair amplifier is with sonics

Since it deals 100% grey damage

And TRA is nothing because it can't heal it

Nothing until it gets max stacked

Flames are also an option

As they rapidly destroys the titan's health and TRA won't be able to heal in time

The reason lucha is a tank it's because it's secondary ability and his customed pilot skills

His secondary ability consist on removing movement, apply a reflector and heal, that's the tankest point even

Unbeatable in that moment

[drifting marten]

So the key is just pummel it when it's on the ground?

[drifting marten]

reflectors do be op

is there a way to bypass reflectors?

how bout for rook, what's the recommended module build for it

[wanton ruin]

yep

[wanton ruin]

crisis

[wanton ruin]

i like vajras and flames better than sonics because they don't stop firing.

[drifting marten]

oh, wait so...shieldbreaker works?

[drifting marten]

they don't reload?

[wanton ruin]

they do but sonics are like 2 seconds fire 8 seconds reload

vajras are like 20 seconds fire 5 seconds reload

[honest inlet]

Nope

[drifting marten]

So can a full max lucha have immunity against defense mitigation?

[proud crypt]

TRA makes defense mitigation immune

[drifting marten]

Oh. Just 1?

Or do i need to have like 3 or 4 or 2

[proud crypt]

.

[drifting marten]

ohhh, im starting to get it now...

definitely getting 2 tra's

i already have a dc

now i just need 1 more of something.

[drifting marten]

2 for solo as in just yourself with randoms right? 3 for squads if you're playing with friends? or am I getting that wrong...

[proud crypt]

solo run, it's easier to manage stacks. there are not many competitive enemy that focus me before TRA charged. so even if I run 2, it is not that hard to fully stack.

[drifting marten]

then the risk of being destroyed by enemy titans is if they target you first? when running 2 only?

[proud crypt]

squad run, it's much harder, competitive enemy sqaud knows what should they do to. running 3 gives guaranteed 60 stacks.

[proud crypt]

yeah, running two has risk, but it's managable in solo random match

btw eiffel and UE ao ming can run only 2 TRA cuz of their slots.

[drifting marten]

got it. Effiel is already understandably OP.

btw does this 2tra method thing work with rook too?

currently the only titan i got due to the super chest thing

other than kid

might save up some plat in getting lucha

[proud crypt]

why not?

[drifting marten]

things are definitely about to go south but why not indeed

2 tra's and 1 damage controller. Gonna get me some tra first though. There a way to get them other than paying or do i have to pay?

[proud crypt]

it WAS prize for some leaderboard milestone before. but it doesn't appear there nowadays. unfortunately you should pay if you want it

[drifting marten]

aight, time to save up for it. I can get 2 in a month

[drifting marten]

btw the risk mentioned earlier about having 2 tra, in order to avoid it i should just NOT be targeted by everyone right? is it fine for titan 1v1's? And i should avoid titans with bubble guns.

and get an avalon too...

how does one get avalon...

[proud crypt]

it depends, if enemy has good setup, your titan will die before it charge TRA, even if it's 1v1. just don't dive too deep til 60 stack.

you can get avalon from the 'win' roullete that costs upgrade token.

it costs 20~40 tokens.

to max avalon

[drifting marten]

thats it? thats the only way?

[proud crypt]

yes

[drifting marten]

daz a lot of potato chips...

[proud crypt]

indeed lol

[drifting marten]

Now I'm wondering if rook will even get that many charges considering that i dont think hitting the shield gives it charges..

[proud crypt]

only raw duarability lost charge TRA

[drifting marten]

wait you can lose charges?

[proud crypt]

no

[drifting marten]

oh ok

[proud crypt]

by losing HP, you get stacks

[drifting marten]

so is the stacks calculated by how much hp lost then?

i feel brain dead. So many things to think of. And im not even experienced on the normal robot modules.

[proud crypt]

it's % based

[drifting marten]

ah i see. Got it, thanks