do they both work and which one is worth getting

[umbral vault]

Which traditionalist skill is better, can you use both of them, and what are the max stats?

[worldly hull]

ok this is gonna sound dumb

but just dont use them

they're bad

[woeful cairn]

you can use both. One of them gets rid of one ability, the other gets rid of the other ability.

[worldly hull]

one gets rid of one, one gets rid of both

[woeful cairn]

wait what about the one just for secondary?

[umbral vault]

What's the max? Health for them to gain

[umbral vault]

Have u tried it?

What's the max health u gain for the one that cancels out both abilities

[vital bobcat]

Bpoth of them suck

[worldly hull]

No they’re bad so I don’t wanna waste resources on them

[umbral vault]

why

[umbral vault]

how r they bad

[cold atlas]

Reflector helps a lot

Jump not so much

With only durability you're not gonna last long

Being exposed to flamethrowers and bendy weps

[celest onyx]

Naw bro

If u want health just use DE

[worldly hull]

The abilities on luch are useful