targeting

[round epoch]

How do you choose easily which ally to heal?
how do you choose which enemy to damage?
i've tried all the targeting modes but can't find an optimal yet.

Because, sometimes even if I target some dude with(/out) locking even tho the enemy is in my reticle the targeting automagic sometimes decides to jump on some dude hiding behind the wall on the left or right(PC) and my payload goes to waste...then I die because I couldn't hit the dude right in front of me, in the middle of **king reticle with 5hp left.

[gritty agate]

You can’t, the targeting system is messed up

[round epoch]

so...why should I pay/play this game?

0 skill, 100% gambling

[rich root]

You can lock on to a target by pressing the button below your weapons once.
(You can press it again to switch targets.)
However, you'll notice green bars appear on either side of your reticle.
If your target goes past those relative to your view, you'll lose the lock on.

Sadly, repairing isn't the same. You have to look in their general direction and hope the targeting system selects the right ally.

[round epoch]

indeed, lots of sadness there.
getting robots or pilots or skills or anything 100% pseudorandom(not random).
shooting at enemies = semi random,
healing your allies = less semi random than shooting

where is skill? where is agency?

[rich root]

Shooting at enemies isn't entirely random.

[round epoch]

indeed "not entirely random" and that is the problem

[rich root]

Some bots take skill, others don't cough cough Luchador

[rich root]

True, but staying locked on to a target does require skill.

Before the targeting nerf, you could stay locked on to a target untill they went entirely offscreen.

[round epoch]

exactly it requires paying more than 100€/month

[rich root]

Targeting does?

I agree with you that this game is P2W, but I don't see what money has to do with targeting issues.
I am not entirely defending the targeting system. It's not great, but usable.

[warped patrol]

Targeting system is fine as is, if you can't use the button that's a skill issue tbh

[rain musk]

Hey hey

[warped patrol]

Name checks out

[rain musk]

Lucha is skilled I swear

Until the amps charge up

Then it becomes monkey mode

[warped patrol]

I mean, proper management of Ultimate Defence and Frog Splash does take skill

Being caught out of position, especially against Newton, can and will kill Lucha

[rain musk]

Trust me pressing two buttons takes immense skill and coordination

[rain musk]

Sob yep

[warped patrol]

Moreso managing cooldowns than anything tbh

[rain musk]

Yeah

Ensure as much reflector uptime as possible

[wary obsidian]

the no skill starter pack requires no skill

[lucid trail]

This game rips off its community, evident with a 6 slot Dagon, so players pay to buy 2 extra of each weapon, and an invincible ochokochi

[warped patrol]

Ochokochi's not invincible, and Dagon's just something new. You're in no way obligated to buy extra weapons

[rain musk]

Dagon's actually quite balanced

[wary obsidian]

compared to ochokochi, maybe

compared to other bots released with aegis, hell no

[warped patrol]

Dagon's not hard to deal with at all. The bot's mid, sure 6 weapons is nice but it's squishy as can be

[lucid trail]

yea it seems mid cus we just had to deal with a overly op robot (ochokochi) if ochokochi didn't get released, we'd all think this was op

[warped patrol]

Not even that, it's just not good

Only protection is Aegis, and that's too weak

Between Thor, Shieldbreaker, and Crisis, it'll be an easy pick

[lucid trail]

honstly i agree this robot is not as strong, but its the weapons which r the problem imo

[rain musk]

Anything with shieldbreaker stomps on it, even it's shield isn't a huge problem, it's firepower isn't even up to par with a behemoth and barely above 3 heavies

Ophion is stronger than it and we're not even going to discuss ochokochi

[wary obsidian]

just saying it's way more overpowered compared to every other bot with build in aegis

[rain musk]

Well.. it's a bit unfair to compare dagon with other aegis built in bots because the entire selling point of the robot is it's aegis shield

If the aegis isn't extremely strong when compared to existing bots then there would be no reason for people to get the bot

It's actual HP pool is very low, it's speed is alright, firepower is overrated (carried by the splinter weapons)

[main ether]

Its op only coz of the new weapons

and u can use 6 of them

[rain musk]

Yes, slap normal weapons on it and it's just alright

[main ether]

yeah

[wary obsidian]

main selling point of dagon shuold be the stupid 6 weapons ngl

[rain musk]

The six weapons isn't anything special

If you take time to look at the numbers, it's dps isn't even that of a behemoth

[wary obsidian]

yes ik it gets killed by ophions and stuff easily

[rain musk]

Nono I meant the dps

[wary obsidian]

the firepower yes i understand

[rain musk]

The six weapons is balanced by the fact that first, there isn't an in built ability that boosts the damage

Second, they're all light weapons

[main ether]

but dps with the new weapons x 6 is prob stronger than any other weapon

[rain musk]

Yeah it's carried by the weapons

Splinter

[warped patrol]

Okay, but that can be said for any bot. It's not like they're exclusive to Dagon.

[wary obsidian]

people just gonna be like fascinated by first ever robot to have more than 4 weapons

[rain musk]

Nerf that and the new weapons and it'd be really balanced

[main ether]

exclusive to dagon coz it has 6, it outshines everything coz of that

[rain musk]

Yes dagon as a bot is balanced

[warped patrol]

Um no

That's not how that works

[rain musk]

Bro what

Are you high

[warped patrol]

Literally anything with 2 medium 2 light has similar firepower

[rain musk]

@main ether calculate the numbers, six light slots deals between 3 to 4 heavies of firepower

[warped patrol]

And can still utilize the weapons

[main ether]

okay then use the heavy version of tamer

[rain musk]

And we already have bots that can deal more than four heavies (crisis)

[rain musk]

?

[main ether]

i forgot abt the med versions

[rain musk]

Yep

[warped patrol]

Pretty sure there isn't a heavy, and this argument's obsolete anyway

Pretty sure new weaps only dropped light/medium right?

[rain musk]

Yes, dagon is balanced, the new weps and splinter line are not

[wary obsidian]

yes

[warped patrol]

Trickster, Tamer, Damper, Deceiver

[wary obsidian]

then take the stupid shotguns, brisant and splinter

[warped patrol]

Basically

[main ether]

exactly so only some bots with meds could compete with the firepower. My point was u can put 6 of the new weapons on it, thats the only reason its op rn.

[rain musk]

Those need a fat nerf

[rain musk]

Bro 💀

[warped patrol]

The weapons themselves aren't that strong at base. It's the status they apply, which any aegis bot ignores

Dagon with new weaps is literally countered by a dagon that isn't running new weaps lol

Or anything with harpoons

[main ether]

💀

[warped patrol]

They not only ignore the status because of aegis, but also pierce Dagon's aegis as well

After which Dagon should die soon anyway

[main ether]

theyd be dead before they come close enough

with the 6x rust weps

i dont think youve seen them

or come across them

[warped patrol]

Bro just ignored everything I've said

[main ether]

coz its pointless

[warped patrol]

Came across one in FFA, wasn't too hard to out with Ophion

[rain musk]

The firepower is not impressive

Ochokochi almost matches that

But it has a stupid high base HP stupid ability stupid pilot stupid dot immunity

Ophion matches the firepower too

And both ocho and ophion can run the new op weapons

[main ether]

ocho is def more op

i just said dagon is op rn or strong just coz of the weps

[warped patrol]

Ocho's only strong with ability though

Loses if it gets caught with ability

without*

[main ether]

thats for every bot

[warped patrol]

Not necessarily

[main ether]

pretty much

[warped patrol]

Lots of bots are on a toggle or have some other protection

[rain musk]

What

Dagon is not op

The weapons are

The fact it ran run six is not op

[warped patrol]

Ocho's literally dead if it gets caught without its ability.

[rain musk]

It is because six lights is roughly equal to three mediums

[main ether]

its just easier to get then, not straight dead u still gotta do like 1m damage plus it can always run to cover