fafnir or ravana?

[dusty gale]

Also need build for which one is better

[atomic cobalt]

Both are good to make in workshop

What weapons do you have for them

[pulsar heath]

I would instantly go for ravana

[dusty gale]

could u give me some suggestions on whats good on ravana?

[pulsar heath]

Sonics or weapon that is similar to it but I forgot the name, nuc amplifier, the pilot for it to give you an extra charge

Arnav Poe

Fafnir is alr but it’s built in weapon for titans is weak asf

[dusty gale]

bsgs?

[brave hemlock]

Yes

Bsgs are best for engaging pretty much anything

[patent ridge]

sonics are better as you can build them

[brave hemlock]

They are best only if the user doesn't have mace

Mace are easier to aim, bypass and charge faster from physical shields, and have faster reload (better for killing titans)

[dusty gale]

i dont have mace but i have a hammer so should i use it?

[brave hemlock]

Hammer is a heavy weapon. Ravana only has medium weapon slots.

[obsidian zodiac]

Mace is the similar weapon. Storm also works well in lower leagues but Sonics are best by far

Nah Mace isn’t as good as Sonics beacause of the gray damage. Plus, Sonics do more damage

[brave hemlock]

I have tested both setups in beacon and FFA. On average mace does better because I can consistently hit enemies and rapidly chain kills, which sonics cannot do.

Grey damage isn't as important when your enemies can barely heal anyway

[obsidian zodiac]

Yeah I’ve tried both, too. Sonics always work better for me bc I have good aim. Could just be difference in playstyle, though. Both are good, I just think Sonics are better.

[obsidian zodiac]

Personally, I feel like Gray damage on Sonics is way better than having a crutch because your aim isn’t good on the Maces

[brave hemlock]

The only good bots sonics are worth using against are revenant and khepri.

[obsidian zodiac]

If u have bad aim, go Maces, because more shots hit. If you can be precise, go with Havocs for more damage, a continuous reload, and gray damage. (Imo)

[obsidian zodiac]

Disagree but ok

[brave hemlock]

I can aim, but lag causes me to miss my shots

[obsidian zodiac]

Aim, lag, small screen, you’re playing with your toes… it doesn’t matter what the reason is. If you’re missing shots go with mace. If you can hit shots, go with Sonics. That’s just my opinion

[brave hemlock]

Maces have higher cycle DPS, which matters more in team games. Sonics are better for 1v1s with less enemies around.

Cycle DPS matters a lot more in higher leagues where players are more aggressive

[obsidian zodiac]

Ravana isn’t a crazy tank anyway (high hp, but not a tank) and since you can’t shoot while transcending, bring up against more than 2 players at a time isn’t practical anyway. It’s not a Fenrir or a falcon that can be shot at 4 times while shooting back by the entire other team. You need to time the abilities, and the best way to win fights on a bot like the Ravana is by isolating the 1v1s

@brave hemlock #💬│wr-general

[brave hemlock]

I am not talking about 2v1s, I am talking about fighting one enemy after another. If you are attacking a beacon on beacon rush or multiple players are targeting you, you need to isolate 1v1s for either build. Mace can handle less reload time in between fights, and time is sometimes something you don't have much of.

[obsidian zodiac]

You have a point for sure, but if you fight off one player after another and you don’t even have time to reload the Sonics, even with the third charge, Ravana’s ability is going to be depleted fast ESPECIALLY since you generally always need to transcend during the fixed reload on a Mace. With Havocs, the clip lasts longer so there’s a higher chance of taking an enemy out before even having to reload, but with BSGS that doesn’t really happen. Ravana without its ability (especially in these days of wr) is completely toast. You can’t dodge EMPs from Erebus’s, you can’t dodge motherships, Harpy flights, etc. so if you don’t even have time between fights to reload the Sonics, and you’re playing a Ravana with BSGs, you’re dead anyway

My god I wrote an entire book there lmao

[patent ridge]

smart people would drop on beacons

reload on bsg would be destroying you

with over 600k one clip with 3 havocs even half a clip is enough

[brave hemlock]

Mace only takes 2 clips to match up with the clip of a single havoc. Considering the fact that the robot would already have a clip preloaded, the mace could unload 2 clips, only using only 1 charge to reload, and still have the same damage output as the havocs with only 5 more seconds used. Because they unload in half the time, the burst DPS is pretty much the same as havoc. It's not always necessary to use ability charges anyway, because the enemy is trying to notice whether you are in your ability so that they don't waste ammo. The unload on bsg makes enemies think they can attack you only to realize that you have already unloaded your clip and are in transcendence.

[brave hemlock]

That is assuming you have a clip ready. At that point you would spend 3.5 more seconds trying to reload than mace.

[obsidian zodiac]

Yeah but not only do you not need to use transcendence once on the Havocs, but they kill the enemy in like less than half the time of the BSGs because of the reload, AND they do gray damage. On other robots, such as Fenrir, I prefer BSGs because of the range. But on a Ravana there really isn’t an upside. It’s hard to make a point that BSGs are even as good as Havocs on it. Let alone better

[brave hemlock]

Their burst DPS is literally the SAME

Check the wiki

Damage is updated

But other stats are not

[obsidian zodiac]

BUT you can’t kill a bot with one clip of the Mace and you can with the Havocs

It’s just a better weapon for the Ravana

Not saying overall the Sonics are better (although I think they are) some bots thrive with the BSGs, such as the Fenrir. Others tend to be better with Sonics, such as Ravana or Scorpion.

[brave hemlock]

It's not just the clip, it's the reload. 300k damage is enough to kill most bots, and the extra damage from havoc comes with a tradeoff: the reload. If you have enough time to reload in your situation, then sonics are undoubtedly better than mace for that situation. If 3 seconds makes a difference, then maces are better. It all depends on the situation. I never said maces are best for every gamemode, maces are better for when your enemies are more aggressive and decide to attack you (you don't get to choose when you engage), not vice versa. When you have time, havocs are better. When you don't, maces are better.

[patent ridge]

bro what are you saying you come into a fight with a full clip which is 600k most robots would have like 300k or less

thats just raw damage

without abilitys from your side

and their side

[limber dagger]

Arcana with havoc