#Nodens or not?

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ivory reef
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Virtually, it really depends on what you're looking for in a titan. If you're looking for a support bot then nodens works.

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If you're looking to play a titan as a sniper, sharanga is recommended but the build still has to be considered

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For murometz it's best to play using cover but not really for brawling, Minos is good for both pushing beacons and brawling.

hasty wagon
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and luchador is good for pushing beacons, and for brawling

ivory reef
hasty wagon
wheat raft
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Nodens can support teammates by suppressing theur opponents if they’re being overrun, and heal at a range, even from cover. It’s really good actually, just not as a brawler, because it can prolong the lifespan of your teammates and their titans without making itself vulnerable like most healing bots need to.

dry elk
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Don’t get nodens, get muro or minos

wheat raft
# dry elk Don’t get nodens, get muro or minos

Minos is a somewhat difficult Titan to use effectively and isn’t very versatile. It has substantially less firepower than many other titans with just three beta slots. It has a main ability that encourages close range engagement many times. And it’s moderate health pool is offset almost purely by its reflector shield which, if mistimed, will result in high damage.

dry elk
wheat raft
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Yeah, it has uses it definitely excelled in. But it’s not as Versatile as other ones. As I said above, Nodens can prolong your ally titans without making itself vulnerable, it has more firepower, can suppress groups of enemiesC again without making itself vulnerable. And it’s healing is percentage based, so it scales with the target

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With all the durability modifiers in the game now, it means it can do so much more

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And no, I’m not biased, I’m taking into account all the different factors in the current game. Like durability modifiers, damage output, ability versatility, it’s viability in various play styles and situations.

dry elk
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The additional firepower means nothing when you die in 1 clip from any brawler titan, the heals have minimal impact since most bots have more than enough with modules + mothership, the range just means it doesn’t have the option to run the best weapons in the game(vsgs) as effectively

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It’s also very slow

wheat raft
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Wait, what are you talking about, dying in one clip from a brawler?! Ive gutted fenrirs with surprising ease even though my Nodens isn’t my main Titan

dry elk
wheat raft
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Ooooh,

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Well, why are you even using a Nodens to brawl?

dry elk
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Also fenrir beats nodens any day?? At least in a 1v1

dry elk
wheat raft
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DM me

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This is a question thread, not a discussion thread

dry elk
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👍

normal rock
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Thanks. Yea I'll most probably get the nodens then. And it also has a lot of HP.

dry elk
gentle cypress
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If you really want to play a support it's not bad, but the issue is that titans are ill-suited to support. Titans are more like the ones that merit the support.

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Compared to how affordable it is to upgrade Murometz since you can skip hull upgrades, and how much firepower Sharanga has...

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Plus the sheer tankiness on Minos

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I feel like Nodens is the worst T3 titan

normal rock
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Yea but it has more hp than the minos and I have found a very op setup on the test server with the nodens

dry elk
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The other titans are just more worth it

wintry moth
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I do have nodens and it’s really good on squadplay. Generally recommend lanterns cuz of self defense.

gentle cypress
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You do know that effective HP is not the same as numerical HP, yeah?

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Minos will have an active reflector shield like half the time

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Nodens can heal but that won't outdo the colossal EHP increase provided by a reflector shield

wheat raft
# gentle cypress Nodens can heal but that won't outdo the colossal EHP increase provided by a ref...

I primarily recommended Nodens over Minos because Nodens has the potential to prolong the other titans on your team, letting them do their things longer. It’s not a brawler, and shouldn’t be played as one, but the fact it can provide health to titans that might not be able to heal themselves so readily (yes, Northlight, but it takes time to charge even if maxed out, and that’s time you might not have in a bad situation)

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I’ve had a huge number of matches where Nodens made a big difference because of its healing. I’m not full of myself when I say that, I’m saying this because otherwise all our titans would have fallen much earlier since

gentle cypress
wheat raft
gentle cypress
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Yes, but Heimdall can take a hit

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If a maxed Luchador jumps on your Nodens, you will die

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Far as I know, Nodens just isn't tanky enough

wheat raft
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Yea, and who the heck is willingly taking hits as Nodens? (Also, whenever I pilot a Nodens, I don’t often encounter a luchador because I basically never expose myself.

gentle cypress
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@limber brook in CL, if both teams have multiple titans, and one team has a Nodens as one of their titans and the other team does not, which team would win a head-on battle?

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Can Nodens withstand getting dived by a Luchador or Minos for long enough that its teammates can bail it out?

limber brook
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It can't

wheat raft
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No. But I still rarely run into that problem

gentle cypress
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Because you aren't in CL

limber brook
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Chances are a brawling titan in champs that jumps you has VSGs, and those down a Nodens real quick

gentle cypress
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So your opinion is invalid on this matter if it is based solely/largely on your experience

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And let me explain why before you react to that

wheat raft
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Okay, fair. What league is OP in though?

gentle cypress
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As I said, lemme explain why

limber brook
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So if a Nodens is skilled and can keep it's distance, yeah, it'll be an enormous help, but the average Nodens I see isn't that

gentle cypress
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What league OP is in doesn't matter in this case

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Because titans aren't a short-term investment

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They're a long-term one

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Platinum is slow to accumulate

wheat raft
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Well yeah. There’s not a lot of spaces in champions league. I’ve been sitting at Diamond for the longest time

gentle cypress
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You have to think about how everything squares up assuming both teams are competent and field a wide variety of strong bots

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Because anything works against a bad player

wheat raft
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I’m not bad

gentle cypress
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?

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I didn't say you were

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My point is that there's no use thinking about any scenario other than the worst-case one

wheat raft
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I’m tired, I’m probably not in the right state of mind, imma just leave so I don’t interfere, Kay?

gentle cypress
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AKA enemies who match you in skill and potentially outdo you in resources

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I'm not trying to dismiss you

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Titans are just too expensive

wheat raft
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Ik. I’m literally on the verge of burning out

gentle cypress
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Rest well 🫂

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If it's night, sleep

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If it's day, maybe take a short shower

wheat raft
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So my opinion is probably not gonna do anything good. Thanks, I’ll be around, just not as active here

gentle cypress
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Your opinion can be valuable in regards to your experience

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Never be afraid to contribute if you see something you think you're able to contribute to

wheat raft
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ThNks, really.

gentle cypress
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Just be aware that in some matters, experience at the top is necessary to judge what is best

wheat raft
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Got it

gentle cypress
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That is the case when it comes to investing in titans because you can only think of them in the long term

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And the long term means considering what OP or whoever else will be facing in the future

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Not what they're currently facing and will be facing in the short term

wheat raft
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Got it

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Okay, thanks, and cya

gentle cypress
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For example, you currently don't run into a lot of competent Minos and Luchador players who dive you when they spot you, you said

wheat raft
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I’ll still be around though

gentle cypress
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I'm in Expert, so I could face you in a match, and if I see a Nodens in my Luchador it is my new goal in life to kill it

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The longer a Nodens is on the field, the worse it is for the other team

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Everyone competent knows this

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I'm not even that competent and I still know it

wheat raft
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Don’t doubt yourself

gentle cypress
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Nah mate

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My phone doesn't run the game well enough to react to stuff

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I struggle to track Khepri and Skyros at close range

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Too many FPS drops

wheat raft
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Honestly I have the same problem with a pretty high frame rate

gentle cypress
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Well, that is a skill issue

wheat raft
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Yeah, just saying they’re extremely slippery

gentle cypress
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I like playing stat-check bots like Fenrir and mid-range builds like Typhon and Seraph because my inability to track fast targets at close range doesn't come into play as a determining factor to the same extent

wheat raft
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Should we take this into DMs?

gentle cypress
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I am bringing it back around to topic now

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In spite of the above, I will trade my Luchador for a Nodens without hesitation because even an idiot teammate can deal plenty of damage in their Murometz, but if a Nodens heals back that damage it won't mean anything

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Murometz is definitely the most common titan, at least in Expert, and Nodens seriously hampers the effectiveness of Murometz

wheat raft
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Well, imma just float through the dimensional void between channels.

gentle cypress
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Go to sleep already or whatever

wheat raft
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I will in time, I’m just wrapping a few things up elsewhere as I hover here

thorn mauve
# normal rock Thanks. Yea I'll most probably get the nodens then. And it also has a lot of HP.

Get a Nodens if you like. I’m currently using mine. I switch between it, Minos, Murometz, and now my Ao Ming. I never had an Ao Ming during its meta, so I was playing around with it recently. I can help my team out a lot more with my Nodens than my Heimdall. I also play all the other healing robots at different times. Playing the Nodens you will get targeted, but so what. I get targeted anyways in my other robots.

marble hound
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Nodens is good for playing in a squad, but not really good if you play by yourself

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Nodens is good with the lanterns/pantergruel but the regular retailors are good as well

astral crow
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I just thinking of how many platinum u have to spent!

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Just calculate d x4 beta weap.

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Is it worth it!

oak forum
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I believe I said this before but unless you’re squading up, nodens isn’t good because random teammates are always weird and have almost no cooperation or coordination