Wr Lore

[stuck imp]

How is it even humanly possible to mess up something that bad ?

[opal rover]

evolife aside i would make it so that the blastcharge rockets and maybe acid throwers be icarus inventions, i would also make the hmgs yan-di inventions

[abstract flare]

They used randomness

[stuck imp]

Mega brain

[opal rover]

is it me or do the dampers look a lot like the hwangjes

[white sandal]

You have a good point

[abstract flare]

Lazy design?

[white sandal]

Nar that's the alt stuff

[snow crypt]

yo @stuck imp I want your opinion on something.

[stuck imp]

👀

Everyone wants me on the lore today

[snow crypt]

what do you think of these?

[stuck imp]

Antique Hazard

[snow crypt]

this se line doesn't have a name yet

[stuck imp]

The design looks like they are made of wood or stone somehow. The little engravings on the panels are

[snow crypt]

its actually brass/bronze. But close enough.

[stuck imp]

They look not shiny enough for metal Maybe why I thought about other materials. They look nice still

[snow crypt]

I have reached a point where i can make se versions of just about any weapon, so feel free to ask me to make anything.

[stuck imp]

Well since I lost most interest in the game at this point, I don't feel legitimate to ask about anything that involves a creation effort

[snow crypt]

try giving the antique blight, hazard and decay some lore.

[stuck imp]

First most logical origin would be from a rich collector wanting a new look for those weapons. Building weapons from bronze/copper gives no tactical advantage over steel or titanium, so we gotta assume it's all for style. And only a rich man wanting to show his wealth would produce such mastercrafted pieces. So my hypothesis is that those weapons come from a private manufacturer, with a great artistic vein, who is selling such fancy prototypes to willing buyers (preferably Yan-Di because they love shiny things) using unusual materials for a unique appearance. The "antique" series would take base on the old beliefs and stories relating to the "steampunk" era and the baroque inventions of that time, engraved with delicate filigree and an aesthetic straight from the 19th century.

[snow crypt]

excellent

[white sandal]

Those look amazing

[white sandal]

Can you please do zenits?

[snow crypt]

ok

[opal rover]

freedom retaliator & vengeance?

[buoyant wind]

Looks like copper

Or chocolate

[gloomy junco]

Dead?

Wait

It was alive like 10 days ago

I rhought it was dead since the appearance of #🪐│scifi-story-lore

[feral mural]

Nah, it doesn't die

[gloomy junco]

Okay, it is nice

And it won't be closed I guess

[stuck imp]

The lore gang may be crippled, but it never dies

[white sandal]

That chat is pretty random

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Planned_Content#Titans icarus finally has a new titan

oh my goodness why is it another flyer

wait it has 1,2,3 alpha weapons and 2 beta-

[snow crypt]

in theory, any robot can operate more than 4 weapons; such as the blitz or heimdall without much issue.

Trade offs are something that will be needed for using more than 4 or 5 weapons on a robot or titan. This issue is mostly solved by using teleportation tech to teleport extra armaments, armor, etc onto the robot. In some cases, these items are only available for a period of time due to power consumption or something else.

It seems that the factions are now designing their new robots with the use of the mothership in mind.

[opal rover]

this reminds me of incomplete games having their content locked behind dlc

[stuck imp]

What's funny is that it would be yet another topic to bring again the technological levels required to teleport items onto a moving target : Rook was only the starting point with its teleporting plates The easy part about Rook is that those are broad plates, whose structural placement doesn't need to be precise down to less than a meter. We can imagine large clamps on the outside of the chassis to grab the plates as they materialise.

But with Eiffel and Curie, this is a whole other storie : materialising weapons and armors with a very fine precision requirement, as the plates are ten times smaller than Rook shields and need to be adjusted on a chassis much less crude than Rook's skeletal structure. The target is also much smaller, making a teleportation that much harder to achieve in case of perturbations.

[snow crypt]

don't forget that technological growth can be exponential, so by that point where they got to Curie and Eiffel, they may have already solved the issue with accuracy or found some workaround.

[stuck imp]

Those robots are a clear example that the technology has evolved, but the main drawbacks remain unchanged : you need a 24/7 link with the Mothership, that needs to calculate the teleportation coordinates at all times, and warm up the teleporters because the teleportation can happen at any time. Imagine the expense on resources just because of all those internal things running permanently inside the Mothership just to provide some armor to a robot on the field...

If we don't even look at how crazy the Mothership have become recently

[snow crypt]

the maintenance and upkeep costs must be insane, but then again we don't know what the economy is like in lore.

Every commander and pilot who owns a robot could be filthy rich for all we know. And every corporation could be sitting on resources and investments worth billions.

[stuck imp]

For the game to have switched from rugged military tank-looking machines to spawning things directly onto a robot's hull, surely the upkeep costs seem to be ignored by the people running these highly advanced robots... The game doesn't show us that cost either : you spawn in, you activate your abilities, you make kills and die, not a big deal as you spawn right back in the next lobby.

The game removed the maintenance penatly cost at the end of battles, but maybe that would make sense to teach players to become good with their powerful robots : the more advanced a robot is, the more expensive it would get by sheer life duration on the field, especially those that require external resources like Curie. But the game is not made for you to learn in the first place, it doesn't want you to learn, it wants you to buy... So adding back the maintenance penalty in such a way that the most recent T4 robots are hugely expensive to maintain (negative gains in battle ?) would look like another market plan from Pixonic... yet it would reflect what WR pilots have to face : the need for efficiency.
As a side effect, maybe we would see many more of those ancient robots, even some of the early T4s as their maintenance cost would be dramatically low compared to the most meta items

[snow crypt]

early low-maintenance T4s could exist in lore, but it doesn’t make any sense from a game’s standpoint; this game isn’t about realism, and over half the player base would evaporate if resource management became something to worry about (silver reductions and other expenses to boot after each battle).

But really, even early T4s and prototypes would technically require more upkeep due to inefficiencies in their designs. But, that may not always be the case.

also, I don’t think anyone likes having excessive expenses like repair cost and restocking, even though they make sense to have.

[stuck imp]

I mean, there had been such a reduction of silver payouts at some point, even though it represented only a marginal amount. It was just there to be there, not to penalise players.

But seeing where the game is going with ever more OP robots, bringing that onto the table would at least make another point of balance for robots/weapons : are you ready to field a machine that will surely crush many things, but cost a non-negligible fraction of your income just to remain functional ? ... Of course not all players want to become stock salesmen studying the economic aspect of each robot in terms of profitability, but I believe you see my point as clear as daylight. Repair costs would at least partially justify how some robots could be completely OP compared to others

[abstract flare]

With the current state of ultra unfairness of the game. The extra cost will probably a disaster
It can justify how meta is op, but I think most players will only notice that the rich whose bots are almost immortal get benefits.

[stuck imp]

Well yeah, you could just p2w your way through the penalty like butter... Which renders an interesting idea completely pointless

It would make sense if everyone on your team gets to target that one dude with meta hangars : dealing damage to a maxed Ochokochi will have much larger repercussions than having the same damage inflicted to an Invader. The only limiting factor is the crippling p2w construction of the game, otherwise it poses a significant logistical challenge for players to balance between power and their own logistics.

Of course, Leo and Natasha will never let you down

Thinking of it, the WR universe has enough quirks and material to fuel multiple standalone games at this point Each with their own mechanics and points of view

[stuck imp]

Big brain realisation : resource management is already something to worry about

Remember they added all sorts of currencies to pay for so many distinct things : Powercells, Platinum, Microchips, Upgrade Tokens, Memorium... If that is okay for you, I don't see how you can faithfully defend your point about "resource management becoming an issue" : it is already an issue

And the player base is already evaporating because of that

mostly old players leaving because of how painful the game has become compared to what it was a few years before

[snow crypt]

you’re right; i’ve just never had a real issue with resource management, unlike most people.

[scarlet wren]

Yall gonna make me intrested in wr lore now ;-;

[white sandal]

Are you sure these aren't the same "old players" that frequently leave and come back?

[stuck imp]

I genuinely tried to come back... But I don't wanna spend again countless time grinding the f2p adventure anymore. I prefer doing other things with friends. I played WR for six years, so I saw the things change everywhere. I think the people who come back are just hopeful for a "better" version of the game, but they get disappointed like I am... With all the updates we're getting, they aren't capable of fixing their game's core problems. I don't consider WR worth my time anymore

[abstract flare]

It just gets worse day and day

[white sandal]

That's why I play retro, I've sever is a expensive roller coaster

[stuck imp]

Even playing retro with people enjoying the vintage setups, technical issues are crippling the game... Performance is -for real- particularly poor and not optimised -anymore- for my device. Lag is genuinely horrible, even when I played on fibre-optic network. Effects popping up everywhere and the game barely keeping track of what's happening.
The content keeps being released on an unstable basis... That game went from weighing barely 1.5 Go up to more than 5 Go nowadays, just by sheer content release... Maybe if they weren't putting useless particle effects everywhere we could gain on performance. Seriously, who cares about Crisis having a laser eye on its instruments bulb ? Who cares about Reaper having a useless laser ? ... Nobody asked for it, and it takes resources to animate all those objects...

See how old weapons have barely any particle effect, especially when idle. Same on old robots. Ancile shield generators have no particle effect at all, only the Aegis shields have introduced the visible yellow sparkles

[opal rover]

they've done what to the ancile shields

[stuck imp]

That's the thing : they did absolutely nothing

It was back in a time when they didn't put particle effects everywhere. Ancile has just a movable hull when it's depleted, and that's it. Its inner parts are orange, and you don't need much more to know the shield active. It's even more informative than most Aegis, whose generators have no animations displayed when they deplete : an Ancile generator will collapse on itself when empty, until it's recharged enough to open again its hull pieces

[opal rover]

i mean the shield bar is right there

i just realised the reason why shell's ability is called atom is because shells are a part of an actual atom

[stuck imp]

Flashback of physics courses kicking in

[scarlet wren]

Noo

[stuck imp]

Also about that, I was talking about the 3rd person view of the robot : you can never tell when an Aegis is empty at glance, whereas a depleted Ancile looks structurally different than its nominal form. And all without particle effects

If it isn't clear : I am mentioning the actual 3D objects that act as the "generators", outside of all HUD elements

[opal rover]

tbf, wth is blitz's aegis generator

[stuck imp]

Internal I guess, like Carnage or Haechi's Ancile Which makes it kinda unique among all, but not regenerating

And to my knowledge, all Aegis generators except Blitz have an external thingy, starting with Bulwark

I honestly never remember which one of Blitz or Bulwark came first... They're both so old, and not far from each other

[opal rover]

bulwark came first

back when aegis had the drawback of no regen

[stuck imp]

When it actually took skill to run Aegis

[opal rover]

do you guys think it would be reasonable to assume the wr universe has well not war-robots, robots used for purposes that aren't battles and stuff like i dunno construction

[stuck imp]

That would make total sense : if you have the tech to make a war machine walk, you can make a crane walk too. The only question would be if it is profitable to do so : what does a walking crane gain over a tracked one ?
Expanding that to day-to-day life, we already know that Icarus has done personal-use androids in the past, for citizens to have their own robotic servant in a sense. I would say that as luxury items and low-constraints environments, robots could have gotten their way up to the final consumers down in the actual civil society ; but all the hard tasks would still be performed by the field-proven and rugged machines that served mankind since the industrial age : you don't have to replace a power tool only because one with legs is available

[devout current]

don't the scavengers repurpose destriers and stuff to plow fields

[white sandal]

Had regen but couldn't be active like all the others now days

[opal rover]

whats with the grey swarm only using quadrupedal/spider robots

[gloomy junco]

Also: why is there grey swarm everywhere in this update?

[stuck imp]

A quadrupedal structure handles far better any rough terrain, providing more ground contact and stability. Plus it is certainly much easier to program four legs or more as there is redundancy in their movements. With 2 legs you have to solve a much harder system where balance has to be dynamically computed

[white sandal]

Walking is one of the most completed things we do, so many muscles that have to work together or you fall flat on your face

[white sandal]

Probably because it's working up to something, notice how mars had a little robot then the grey swam turned up and now the new bot has 2 little robots

[stuck imp]

It took millions of years for animal species to "automate" the walking function. It's not for nothing that in us humans there is a specific part of the brain tasked with making us walk straight. All that muscle memory has been registered without us even noticing : when we walk it seems completely natural and effortless. Now when we are seeing where are humanoid robots, they are far from having our ability to walk so freely.

[snow crypt]

hmm

“normal” you say?

[gloomy junco]

it is all?

[snow crypt]

that’s it

[opal rover]

wait so 10 years is apperantly a short time to get a titan is what i'm getting at

[snow crypt]

you’re probably right; we have an idea of how someone might go about getting a titan now lorewise.

[opal rover]

and also like in irl militaries

is there anything that like takes atleast something around 10 years to get to pilot

cuz like 10 years is a long time

[snow crypt]

seems reasonable

as for what could take ten years to complete?

well, a mastery of any skill or profession, really.

That and investments. I suspect jimmy here did some saving beforehand.

yo @stuck imp do you think jimmy could’ve saved up enough money to buy a titan in 10 years?

[opal rover]

to like buy not like master driving.
how long would it take for the average joe to buy like i dunno a business jet?

[stuck imp]

By becoming mercenary his income got him a Titan in 10 years. We know for a fact that being a pilot mercenary in WR pays quite well, and seeing Jimmy's skill level we can expect him to have well-paying contractors.

Which can mean one of two things : one would be that being a high-level mercenary doesn't pay as much as we thought, which would contrast with how fancy many mercenaries look like ; or two would be that Titans are enormously more expensive than anything else, taking an absurd 10 years to acquire even with a more-than-decent income

[opal rover]

and 10 years is apperantly abnormally short

[snow crypt]

maybe he has financial backing from a sponsor or someone else.

[stuck imp]

To this point buying a Titan looks comparable with buying a house nowadays

[white sandal]

Wouldn't surprise me since we deploy titans at a 1:5 ratio

[stuck imp]

Yet Titans don't seem to be "only" five times more expensive than robots Would it take 2 years to get one robot ?

[opal rover]

this makes me wonder if at minimum certain titans like aether are like really rare in the wr universe with there canonically only being like a dozen or so

kinda like aircraft carriers

[snow crypt]

only prototypes. Besides, every robot and weapon are likely mass production models. So, while titans should be the most expensive, I don’t think they would be rare.

[snow crypt]

fun fact; Liesel is Ibreez Baqir’s nephew.

[opal rover]

who the f is liesel

or ibreez

they're sending children now?

[stuck imp]

Ibreez is new Invader pilot

The "Ultimate" one

[opal rover]

also did the fenrir really need a new pilot?

it has like 4 now

[stuck imp]

Fenrir should have become the game's mascot at this point 💀 A bunch of skins, 2 SE, an Ultimate coming soon, 4 pilots 3 usable pilots...

[opal rover]

give like i dunno rayker a pilot or smth

[stuck imp]

Give Weyland 50% grey repair

[opal rover]

weyland with that will never quacking die

[stuck imp]

Like yeah there still are a bunch of pilot-less robots, yet they are completely forgotten

[opal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-gif-23761134

legit

[stuck imp]

It heals so few compared to new healers... Lemme check real quick the healing values, it's ridiculously low compared to a Mender or Demeter. It will just die to burst damage, problem is that WR has become the festival of "dying under 1 second"

[opal rover]

also how old is she, her legs can't even reach the robot's pedals

[stuck imp]

Weyland : 6.6k healing per second at Mk3 💀 Even with grey damage, this is negligible when all robots around have 300k HP

[opal rover]

mk 3 was a mistake

[stuck imp]

They shouldn't even have introduced Mk2 in the first place. Having 12 levels was fine

Everyone on the same scale

[opal rover]

i unironically think drones should be unlocked at lower levels

[stuck imp]

Now seeing that 80% of the OGs are unusable, it sounds legit. They could even be big brain by unlocking drones on a case-to-case threshold : get Starter at lv5 or 10, then at level 13 you get Sidekick, and so on until the T4 monstrosities of today... Just like how robots were unlocked in the old days, I believe there was a level requirement

[opal rover]

also i think its dumb titans are unlocked earlier than drones like kid is infinetly more complex than all of the tier 1 drones combined

[stuck imp]

The problem with drones is that they don't make any sense... And mechanically, they are "only" another layer of customisation to push particular playstyles, just like Pilots and Modules. A Titan has become almost mandatory in every game now, giving it early at least gives a hope to defend yourself in a more concrete way than Drones provide

[opal rover]

i think a lot of problems stem from how the early game is pretty much a neglected corpse

when was the last time we got a robot specifically meant for early players

[stuck imp]

When they removed Golem, Boa and Schutze 💀

[opal rover]

got not taken

[stuck imp]

Probably when they added the first "modern" robots with Carnage, Fujin, Lancelot, Rhino... The OGs

Oh there has been Bolt at some point... But who uses Bolt anyways ?

[opal rover]

i think its bloody ao qin and maybe hover

im a bit shaky on hover as it was originally a t3 bot

[stuck imp]

They are both too expensive to be considered "starter" bots : Ao Qin is terrible and rapidly outclassed ; Hover was T3 but now it's worth Gold I believe, same problem of cost-efficiency

It's another problem too

Many of the modern "starters" cost Gold

[opal rover]

if you want to see how terribly neglected the early game is check the list of robots divided by their factions

where stalker is the only early game yan-di bot and golem has been zucced

[stuck imp]

DSC ruling the early leagues

[opal rover]

another problem i have is how... pointless tier 3 is

iirc its generally recommended the skip that tier entirely or atleast thats what I mainly did

[stuck imp]

Tier 3 are the old T4... Robots that were good but aren't good enough. Too expensive to be starters, too wasteful to be used in higher leagues

[opal rover]

the only tier 3 bot i ever had was ao guang i think

i legit had more t4 bots from event chests

[stuck imp]

My entire hangar rocks T3 because I despised my chest drops at the time. And you can have those manually in 20 days, instead of praying to the Greedy Gods every day

[opal rover]

i feel like the reason i skipped tier 3 is becuz i didn't have my workshop focus entirely on one bot/weapon at a time

[stuck imp]

Beginner's mistake I guess. Splitting the few production you have is a deadly trap. Go from 20 days to 4 months

[opal rover]

and also the workshop is really stupid ngl

ok specifically locking t3 bots behind it

[stuck imp]

Yeah.... At least the old workshop had a special currency (cough), the ancestor of Components, which could be used to buy any of the modern machines. Say for example you had eyes on both Carnage and Rhino during their glory days, not a big deal : you accumulate that currency as long as you need to buy either of those, then at the final instant you can decide which one you go for.
The modern Workshop would work so much better if you could produce "universal" components, which could be used on any kind of objects, and having different objects and Tiers costing different amount. With such a logic of universal currency, a T4 would be around 30% more costly than a T3 if we take the time alone (28 days compared to 21 days)

[opal rover]

even tho modern wr is bloated with an unnecessary amount of currency i would unironically have a currency for tier 3 bots/weapons and hell even motherships

[stuck imp]

Don't get me started on Motherships...

[opal rover]

its like impossible to improve or get new motherships

[stuck imp]

I didn't know it was this hard to drop Mantis components nowadays 💀

Like; it's supposed to be one of the "starter" ships, yet it's basically impossible to get

[opal rover]

unless u wanna do the market of false hope

also known as the black market

[stuck imp]

You don't know how many of those 100 keys chests I have opened through my WR carrier... I didn't like the 1000 chest for the simple reason that the drops inside didn't interest me... I never dropped a single Mantis comp prize 💀

Man it's one of the crappiest ships around, why is it never dropping ?

[stuck imp]

Love this name btw

I'm pretty sure I got more Thor comps than Mantis comps

[opal rover]

to summarize

1. Certain Starter Bots are way too expensive
2. Not enough starter bots in general
3. Tier 3 is pointless and actively a detriment to players if we're gonna be honest
4. You can forget about upgrading and or getting a new mothership

and jesus christ titans are too expensive

[opal rover]

in my mind you would get this currency by winning multiple rounds in a row

[stuck imp]

I mean, universal components would do the trick, as well as relieving the pressure of "specialising your purchase" : when you begin grinding for something nowadays, you're committed to bring till the end. With universal comps, you can change your mind at any time, it's the same currency for all things.
This would also be an occasion to make that all things don't have the fixed price of 10k comps : maybe a T3 weapon would be worth 4k, while a T4 robot would be 12k... and all prices in-between would be made so it feels like you're buying something for its true price

[opal rover]

true

tho ngl i feel UCs would suffer from a similar problem i think gold suffers from; that being its tied to way too much stuff meaning some stuff gets neglected. that said this is partly due to gold being kinda hard to get/everything being expensive

[stuck imp]

But by locking T3 behind its own currency, you "force" an attention to it which may not be beneficial. People in Champs may complain about why they get that T3 currency instead of more resources, because that currency is useless for them

The game is rotten to the core at this point, and would probably need to be rebuilt entirely

[white sandal]

Titans still haven't got paint jobs yet, literally someone playing with the colors for a few hours to make

[white sandal]

They don't spend much tho

[white sandal]

And there isn't a point building T3 when T4 sold bots are 3-4 days longer

These are the quality of life updates pix should be working on

[stuck imp]

This is where we ended up in our discussion : T3 is a ghost Tier, too expensive and useless. For much less you have decent starters, for a bit more you have strong (yet old) T4.

[opal rover]

i did suggest the currency could also be used for motherships tho good point

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHATaTMdu4 also

[stuck imp]

WR needs Senator Armstrong

[opal rover]

Found this persephone drone concept art, ngl i oddly love the top middle design kinda wish it would be repurposed somehow into a new drone

also found some paralysis concept art, ngl i prefer the old greenish blue colour than what we got

[stuck imp]

The top middle one is wicked with those lightnings

[white sandal]

Bottom left would look great with the energy effect

[opal rover]

why can't modern drone design be this good

instead we have an actual bunny with a gun...

and straight up actually just a gun

[stuck imp]

[snow crypt]

🤷‍♀️

[feral mural]

it isn't a cat with a gun at least

[white sandal]

That's to op

[gloomy junco]

Eight place lol

Right*

[opal rover]

what have they done

finally, a good drone design

[white sandal]

The guns are the scary thing

[opal rover]

are those beta weapons on the back or alphas

[white sandal]

Alphas

It's the first one with 4

[opal rover]

oh god

what have they done

[opal rover]

i honestly really hate how cool the ultimate designs are for a concept so horrendous

[white sandal]

They all could have just been new se skins since they are all just color changed from the normal

[white sandal]

A great many things, not sure about if they are good or bad

New year brings new things

[gloomy junco]

UE titans are good until they aren't op

New drone is aewsome

[stuck imp]

Be ready to rack hundreds of dollars to enjoy your golden pigeon
Having style in nostalgia shouldn't be expensive like that... Unless UE Ao Ming is OP, which would be another issue

[opal rover]

ngl for my story mode idea im thinking of having the UE be like bosses or something similar

[stuck imp]

Rich people becoming bosses

[opal rover]

isn't war robots already that

[stuck imp]

[opal rover]

both in-and-out of universe

[stuck imp]

Ultimate editions are the ultimate rich people

[opal rover]

guess not a lot of bugs where brought to mars

[stuck imp]

Strange

[opal rover]

you would think cockroaches would have found their way in

and we know other animals where brought to mars

like dogs and cats

[stuck imp]

My headcannon for Evolife is that they recreated a "small Earth" within their colony on Mars, having pledged to save as many humans as possible by the time their ark-ships were ready.
So with that vision, most of the common livestock found on Earth was either imported or recreated, including insects and other forms of life

[opal rover]

then why would they "miss" earth insects

if they have them in their colonies

[stuck imp]

This is where our headcannons conflict with what Pixonic gives us

[opal rover]

unless the insects on mars are nothing like earth insects

somehow

[stuck imp]

Mars has not been terraformed, having insects that differ from Earth specimens is an unlikely hypothesis considering Evolife's bioengineering ability and unsustainable environment outside of colonies. Which means that all lifeforms come through human hands at one point or another

[opal rover]

im thinking evolife might have modified animals and stuff for their colonies

to the point they could be considered their own species

[opal rover]

i mean look at some evolife affiliated pilots

[stuck imp]

It doesn't explain why they would be "missing" the dragonflies from Earth : if you can create your own species, you can create dragonflies even from scratch if needed

Something isn't right between Evolife's capabilities and the fact that they miss the insects of Earth

[opal rover]

the thing is; when would you need to create original earth dragonflies

[stuck imp]

Because there are people living in their colony ? To preserve the species for the future ? Instead of creating a metallic drone mimicking the shapes of the insect... It doesn't feel right that Evolife creates a drone before thinking about creating the species again : with their technology maybe this species could do things unknown to your average dragonfly, yet it would remain a mystery for your average person

[opal rover]

i have a very far'fetched theory

[stuck imp]

Icarus prides itself on their bionics of unmatched quality, Evolife could do the same with the number of species they "save"

[opal rover]

what if earth dragonflies, by god knows how, are completely extinct on earth and evolife doesn't have their dna or whatever

[stuck imp]

Nothing prevents them from creating their own breed When your corporation is the biggest cluster of genetician brains, if a scientist gets the budget to create a drone with the shapes of a dragonfly, that same budget could be used to create an artificial species of that "dragonfly", with whatever hidden goals you can stuff behind

[opal rover]

maybe evolife engineers have a weird nostalgia for original natural earth species

emphasis on natural

kinda like how a lot of people prefer non-gmo crops

even though there isn't much of a difference

[stuck imp]

Also, by nowadays standards, if a species is about to get extinct we would at least try to capture the DNA of at least one sub-species of the endangered specimens, if not the whole specimens when possible. We did it with the vital plants of mankind, which seeds are preserved in a bunker. Don't you think Evolife wouldn't do the same ? To pride themselves of having saved as much of Earth biodiversity as possible ?

[opal rover]

true

now i kinda wanna ask someone at pixonic on this whole fiasco

[stuck imp]

What they give us had been clashing with the vision of Factions they gave us in the past... It is a fact that we have been losing the connection with the prime lore of the game, and clues are beginning to stack up.
If Evolife aren't capable of saving insects from Earth, despite existing even before the Cataclysm, then what are we worshipping in their ability to save the human species ?

[opal rover]

It is a fact that we have been losing the connection with the prime lore of the game
what

also i can just imagine some anti-evolife propaganda posters poking fun at how they couldn't even save some bugs

[stuck imp]

Look how they retconned the Grey Robots in a blink. We have no explanation at how we went from rusty self-piloted robots to an organised swarm of mass-produced singular models... Pilot lore isn't better, we came from pilots with an implication in a wider story, to pilots who are just characters on their own.
The holes we try to fill here are becoming wider as time passes, now I feel like we're building bridges rather than patches... If there's even anything to build upon

[opal rover]

i really wished pixonic would release a singular summary video of the lore

so we could atleast know what the groundwork is

[stuck imp]

Leaving holes is a good strategy when your lore is not good enough... Leave brains fill the mess instead of having writers think about it

[opal rover]

like a timeline

[stuck imp]

They could have done it in the part, ever since the Kyle Rogers timeline. Now I don't even know the current state of the lore, it shifted too much

The lore of the world keeps expanding, but the lore of characters is always changing

[stuck imp]

This could be a credible element between Factions, each one doing propaganda against each other. I think that Evolife could be more accurately propaganded over its hive-like social structure, preventing its people from evolving in society

[opal rover]

stereotypes between factions do exist

i remember reading a basic pilot lore thing and it talked about how there was a stereotype for evolife people being good at making lab steak or something

[stuck imp]

Evolife basically creates the best food on Mars because they know how to create organic nutrients I guess. I know Alexander Frost's story mentions some food, I don't remember between DSC or Evolife having great food

[stuck imp]

Evolife ---> steak

Looks legit as a stereotype for people who don't know the intricate things about Evolife's knowledge

Kinda like a popular headcannon, rather than proper understanding of what each corpo does

Yan-Di would easily be identified as either bankers or slaves, depending on which part of the society they come from.
Icarus, maybe the hacker stereotype ?

Spacetech and DSC are tougher ones They do lots of stuff

[opal rover]

dsc are like... fighters?

[white sandal]

Got my alt fenrir for about $150 and a ton of other stuff

[stuck imp]

Still expensive for a bunch of golden pixels... For WR standards this is cheap, I agree on that

[white sandal]

As Christmas things go it wasn't that bad

[white sandal]

@sterile plover this is probably the better place to get old lore questions

[stuck imp]

Sure thing is that people here are old

This thread itself is running for quite some time now, it began as an initiative even before #🪐│scifi-story-lore existed

[stuck imp]

@sterile plover I would like to help about old lore stuff, I have one primary question to locate the subject precisely : what timeframe of the game are you targeting ? As the definition of "retro" and "old lore" seem to vary between sources, I want to make sure we are talking of the same period.

[sterile plover]

It would be safe to say lore that includes up to Dashbot Era.

[gloomy junco]

👍

[opal rover]

if u ask me it begins with the pilot update

[stuck imp]

To my belief, indeed the lore before Pilots is extremely scarce and incoherent with the current lore

[snow crypt]

looks like someone could pilot that drone.

what if drones are actually manned aircraft too? Not just autonomous?

[gloomy junco]

I don't see a door or something though. But the idea of someone piloting the drone was sitting in my head for a lot of time. I even thought if robot pilots sit in the drones to controll the robot

Cause starter and other drones look like aircrafts

[opal rover]

the amount of chaos this drone caused in the thread

[opal rover]

i mean there seems to be a weird hatch thing on the thorax

[gloomy junco]

thanks

[snow crypt]

np

[gloomy junco]

bruh, no lore here

[stuck imp]

Yeah... Pilot stories nowadays are just "fancy people", no real contribution to the plot like we were seeing back in the days The days of Kyle Rogers are over, now enter the anonymous celebrities

[gloomy junco]

yeah, sad

this probably leaves my only "addiction" to WR: pilot lore

[opal rover]

there is the mission story things right

the operations

they must have something

[snow crypt]

they've stopped doing operation lore since last year.

[gloomy junco]

So basically the lore stopped existing

[stuck imp]

Now they using much more their media than the in-game platform, which effectively limits the amount of stuff you can add to the existing lore. And most of the times it is still centered around a specific character

[white sandal]

Wish they would slow down on the events and focus on quality

[gloomy junco]

I mean people will still pay on the game if it's balanced

Probabaly even more

[opal rover]

oh my goodness

[white sandal]

It would be a different market, high end spenders wouldn't have to spend as much but the middle and lower spender numbers would increase

[gloomy junco]

Yes

And pixo don't understand that

[stuck imp]

As a game dev, I would certainly prefer seeing 80% of players paying 1$ each, rather than 1% of players paying thousands

[opal rover]

1% sounds like its just waiting for a crisis to happen

[abstract flare]

I think Pixo is trying to milk whales more effectively as they tend to be loyal and would stay with the game even if it has bad updates

I just found this image

Posted in 16/8 in wr chat but it could be much older than that

So I assume it is before Moronrium (14/8)

Only 5mil monthly active players while they have 30 mil new user in 2022-2023 period

And they’re not new active players, just active players, which means they contain monthly active users prior 2022

That means the left rate are high. In the most optimistic situation, the monthly active rate is just 1/6

Despite having over 250 mil downloads, only 6mil last for over 2 years

So the left rate are high, even before terrible 9.3 update.

[abstract flare]

So it seems like they want to get more from those who are likely to stay and spend instead of someone who download and delete it in 1 day

[snow crypt]

its kind of hard to get into the game, since it now requires patience, time and luck to actually get somewhere; even with an event running every month and more free stuff for everyone, they actually won’t be enough to keep new players in the game for long.

[snow crypt]

yo @stuck imp , wanna try explaining what Taunt is?

in test server gameplay, it is basically given tunnel vision to your target; they can only target you and no one else.

[stuck imp]

Oh no they made the HP Absorber

That cooldown 💀

[white sandal]

Yep

[stuck imp]

Ares has 18s for that same 10s shield

[white sandal]

Going to "fun"

[stuck imp]

I mean, bringing new mechanics such as "taunt" and absorber walls is neat

But they are making it purposely poor in execution

If it was balanced, a taunting mechanic could work

Not with 8s cooldown that is

[opal rover]

wait a minute
#1108779508271681546 message

[stuck imp]

We're gonna pretend we didn't see that

[opal rover]

oh look its my concept

except somehow removes any fear i had of mine being op as hell

[opal rover]

becuz double u tea ef is this abomination

[stuck imp]

And for a technical explanation in the lore, I guess this is an electronic warfare apparatus "outside the box". An inferior version of Blind that sacrifices the impossibility to aim for a longer duration.

A coherent explanation would be the use of a massive jammer array : an extremely powerful disturbance emitter that comletely blackouts the aiming systems of your target, but at the same time your jammer emission is the only thing they can detect. Like being blinded by a lighthouse lamp : you can't see anything except for the lighthouse itself.

[opal rover]

jokes aside i seriously doubt pixonic took inspiration from solifuge, tho this thing is op as hell from the outset

on a larger issue ngl i feel like a lot of newer robots just, don't really have an identity

they feel like parts of other robots and weapons just, awkwardly blended into one

like lynx is just orochi with instakill and forcefield
Ochokochi is a small Minos with some dot ds

[stuck imp]

Curie at least creates something new, but feels like a ripoff of Mars and Sirius

[opal rover]

i like the idea of i guess "putting on" an exoskeleton

the slap on approach makes it hard for me to remember the newer bots outside of being op, even angler has an identity outside of being a meta ruiner

[stuck imp]

When you think about it, old WR was the world of pioneers yet there existed robots with that "slap on" approach : Inquisitor was simply a better Griffin. Then Mercury stepped up the game by adding an explosion. It feels kinda dumb nowadays, but at the time this was peak technology

[opal rover]

they feel very video gamey than like a natural progression of technology like mercury and inquisitor

[stuck imp]

Yeah. Now they seek mechanics rather than coherency. Also, remember when they released robots in packs of 2/3 on a regular basis ? The Supressors, the Norse Squad, the Dragons... Nowadays they're creating only singles, which breaks their identity compared to other robots

I believe the last duo we have been offered are Harpy and Siren

[opal rover]

the last robot that had a meaningful identity i feel was imugi

[opal rover]

i think curie and eifell are a duo, same with nether and aether who are in turn kinda a trio with seraph

[opal rover]

ok i guess theres dagon but like, did that thing need to exist

[gloomy junco]

Its also the fastest thing in the game

[stuck imp]

[gloomy junco]

That was with 2 titan accelerators

but it doesn't change anything

[stuck imp]

Oooh hell nawww

Even a Phantom isn't as fast I bet

Meanwhile Minos being supposed to be the "mobility Titan"

💀

[gloomy junco]

yeah

hoping its a bug

cause titan is dupposed to be fat, but slow

Imma try this with two platted armor kits

see how far hp can go

or maybe I sick on 4?

[abstract flare]

What is that speed in a titan with good defense mechanic and huge hp

Imagine that thing with TRAs and DCs

[gloomy junco]

1.8 million hp was marked

but I wasn't getting damage for a while

meaning I had more then 2.5 million

[gloomy junco]

not so good

[abstract flare]

Really? It has a big heath pool

[opal rover]

so let me get this straight, this thing can

• can make enemies only attack itself (can i get credit)
• has deathmark
• has passive healing from the getgo
• has an absorber
• has 2 beta and 1 alpha weapon slots
• and can be stupid fast

[gloomy junco]

yes

and can survive6 enemy eifels

and kill them sll

all

[opal rover]

remember when we thought the hawk and luchador where the most op things ever

[gloomy junco]

yeah

[opal rover]

why did i fear my robot idea would be op if implemented in the game

[stuck imp]

Again, the principle of a taunting mechanic is a good idea by itself... It's just that Pixonic puts it on a Titan with immense durability and an Absorber shield that can, strangely enough, last as long as the taunt

If we came back to the time of Rayker where 1 robot = 1 gimmick, a taunt ability would not be a problem

[opal rover]

i think multiple gimmicks in one ability could work, my bot has like three gimmicks in one ability yet people say its pretty well thought out, likewise imugi also has multiple gimmicks and as far as i can see people also say its balanced

[opal rover]

the fact people are saying it needs to be buffed is actually terrifying in retrospect

[stuck imp]

Kids who can't play without 36 features on their robot... Back in the days having a single Ancile was goated, and it was before healing was a thing

Sometimes simplicity is all that's needed

*To me it is what makes the T3 Titans what they are : they perform well in their domain, they do it purposefully and rightfully, without going all over the place. Nowadays I feel like everything can become anything because the gear has to be goated in every possible way

[abstract flare]

WR is kinda overloaded with contents nowadays

Many of them don’t contribute to the diversity but just pure stat buff:/

[white sandal]

Every new bot must have more bell and whisles then the last

[opal rover]

I think i've figured out why these bots with tons of gimmicks don't feel bloated
All of the gimmicks contribute to one role the robot is meant to specialize in

Take Imugi for example, its role is to effectively shorten the time it takes for its allies to cross from one point of the map to the other. It does this by placing teleports which is one gimmick. In order for Imugi to get from one place to another to place its teleports it has fast flight. Then it has stealth to ensure it actually survives the flight. and doesn't just die to an Erebus. Lastly, the teleports give minor buffs to those who use it, further incentivizing their use. All these gimmicks contribute to Imugi's role of for a lack of a better term; A Bridge Maker.

[stuck imp]

This is actually right. Tho at first Imugi only had Defense Points, which rapidly proved inefficient in the current meta

[opal rover]

as for Lynx

its a stealthy hit and run assasin

so ofcouse we gave it stealth, a forcefield, and an actual instakill weapon

oh and we heavily advertise it with weapons that give an AEGIS shield along with ignoring energy shields

[snow crypt]

how would you define ochokochi? Right now, it functions as a generalist.

[opal rover]

you just defined it

i guess its supposed to be a brawler

[stuck imp]

What's wrong with Ochokochi is its self-survival capabilities that are way beyond what other similar robots can achieve. Even a Fenrir will fall eventually because of grey damage. A well-played Ochokochi can outlast this criteria by converting incoming damage into DoT, while having superior firepower to most tanks

[opal rover]

as for Ophion and Shenlou?
They're unoriginal

everytime i think my robot ideas are just copy and pastes i remember those two are official

[stuck imp]

Damn even my old "concept" of Titan Molot/Tempest look legit when you take it with that angle

I named the beta version "Hurricane" at the time LMAO

Damn that was literally two years ago

[opal rover]

ophion is legit just harpy with absorber and extra damage to titans
and who decided giving scorpion ability charges was a good idea

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quchj9bm5rU live footage of some mercenaries fighting a bastion

[snow crypt]

if those two fools could defeat something like that, imagine what would happen if they had war robots instead.

[feral mural]

so the extermination where bastion had 100M hp was lore inaccurate, or were both bastions vastly different in strength?

[snow crypt]

nah, there is a whole universe of difference here; they're uncomparable in this case.

[white sandal]

The 3rd game is out already!!!

[opal rover]

no?

this is the dlc of the second game

[opal rover]

#🧪│test-server message bedwyr looks like a transformer

[white sandal]

And kinda like a Gundam to just like eather

[opal rover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ōmukade so i found out about this thing and suddenly i'm imagining a titan that looks like ophion that sends out drones that hunt down flying robots as like the first flyers where the dragon bots and this thing in the mythology ate dragons

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28nixZ4DLKg war robots lore reminds me of splatoon lore in that incredibly crucial pieces of lore are hidden away in the most random places no one really cares about

[glossy badger]

I have a question guys.

What does Markus have to do with Anna basarab?

[snow crypt]

he is an android that was rebuilt and probably reprogrammed to be the servant to anna.

[white sandal]

Be her butler basically

[night coral]

🤔

[vast gate]

Brug

[gloomy junco]

helicopter attack detected

[vast gate]

atleast there is no ebebe🗿

[glossy badger]

Oh ok thanks

[snow crypt]

@stuck imp

[white sandal]

A samari pilot releasing at the same time as shou gun TV show is nice

[gloomy junco]

Again no lore

[stuck imp]

The only valuable lore would be about his friend, who now seems roaming as he escaped the DSC prison... And we have no idea if that other pilot will be ever developed

[gloomy junco]

Yeah

[stuck imp]

Just thought of something : new pilots are much more "linked" to their robots than they were in the past. Like nowadays it's almost a plot point to say what robots each pilot has... Back in the days it was much less important, as they had a much more interesting story surrounding them

[gloomy junco]

Yeah, I kinda agree

Like it was connected to lore to other pilot

Now, it's like:
I have a mission. I have a new robot. Ima use it for a mission

[stuck imp]

Even old pilots that mention what robots they use, thinking of Tobias Mwangi or Min-Ji Novak on top of my head, their robot is never mentioned more than once and never more than a tool. Tobias' story doesn't stop to having a Bulwark, as it was only the tool for him to become a "reporter" about the war

[night coral]

Is he yang lee father?

[stuck imp]

I have no idea

Might be good to read again Yang Lee's stories

[opal rover]

me to bedwyr

[stuck imp]

After reading the pilot lores of the three Yang Lees, that name appears nowhere. We know he has a sister, Jen Shu ; his parents are mentioned but never named

[night coral]

🤔

[night coral]

i was just kidding man but thanks for the info

[stuck imp]

[night coral]

[stuck imp]

For instance we know his father piloted a Patton during the battle of the Moon

[gloomy junco]

What about the shenlou pilot?

[snow crypt]

will post it here when I get him.

[gloomy junco]

Okay, thanks

[white sandal]

@gloomy junco

[gloomy junco]

Thanks

[gloomy junco]

Open lore

[opal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-food-eat-fast-gif-24473847

lore

[white sandal]

It's actually got some interesting things in it

[gloomy junco]

Yes

I think we should wait for the map

It has a good start for the lore already

[stuck imp]

Finally some good lore, feels like the old days

[gloomy junco]

I hope it will

[white sandal]

The new loading screen also looks like it's got hints as well

[gloomy junco]

This update, or the one on ts?

[white sandal]

This update

This screen

Why is the detective that's looking into the warp hole also looking at that mothership

And who are these people? One on the left reminds me of Kyle Rogers

[white sandal]

And this purple thing is really big, look at the planet in the background

That's a chunk of the planet it is covering

[gloomy junco]

[stuck imp]

Maybe that Avalon mothership technology isn't as clean as they pretend it to be ? Some normal pilot stories tell us that Spacetech blew up entire colony sectors with experimental reactors ; unleashing a mysterious storm on a continent scale doesn't seem too far-fetched considering the evolution of technologies like Newton

[opal rover]

i think we now might have a good idea on what the cataclysm exactly was

[white sandal]

What if it's related to grey swarm and the cataclysm?

[opal rover]

tho what part of the planet is that purple cloud on?

[white sandal]

Not sure but I can grab more photos if needed

[opal rover]

it kinda looks like antarctica

[white sandal]

Finally we have some good lore to dig into

[gloomy junco]

Yay

(What is that cloud?)

[opal rover]

considering how the catalcysm apperantly had something important happen in south america

[white sandal]

That's what we are figuring out, it's in the new map new pilot has lore about investigating it and the back of the hanger screen has it on earth

[opal rover]

i wouldn't be surprised if the purple cloud was originally in South America and moved to Antarctica
this is assuming the landmass is indeed antarctica which it might not be

[gloomy junco]

I think it's cataclysm thing, if taking into account, that this update has various links to cataclysm

[opal rover]

also does the new map have a name now?

[gloomy junco]

We will find out soon

[stuck imp]

Then why all that rumble about the Avalon ? Cataclysm was fifty years ago in the game

[gloomy junco]

Once the ts will load I will give you the info about the new map

[opal rover]

isn't avalon just a new mothership

about as important as the others?

[white sandal]

It's been like that for 2 years according to his lore AND it's spreading

[gloomy junco]

Avalon is a new mothership. They always put new stuff on a loading screen

[white sandal]

Used to be just dead city and now spring field

[opal rover]

wait wheres springfield?

also is it true dead city is in russia?

[white sandal]

First ever map, one with the dam in the back of 1 side

[gloomy junco]

There is a lore about some scientist left under the dead city

[opal rover]

i'm asking where it is on the planet canonically

[white sandal]

Not sure

[opal rover]

i think team b mentioned something about the continent they were on not having super volcanoes

[gloomy junco]

Not sure, out of all maps only Yamantau and Rome have the exact geographic location

[opal rover]

theres shenzen and factory

factory is confirmed to be somewhere in the mojave desert

[stuck imp]

Did you ask for muched pixels ? I don't think it's Kyle Rogers, by the design of the jacket/armor, but at this point we don't have enough eyesight to be sure

[gloomy junco]

Factory, not sure

[white sandal]

Yea but the other things on that board are more interesting, why is the detective pilot looking into that mothership when his interest is the purple sky?

[gloomy junco]

I'm dumb. Is shenzen a real city?

Nvm, it is

[gloomy junco]

Oh, okay

[stuck imp]

Yea the entire background of the board is the Avalon blueprint. It's not a coincidence

[opal rover]

perhaps springfield is in europe?

i don't think europe has any supervolcanoes

[stuck imp]

The Avalon has to be linked to the story, it appears too much on the screen. Also in the upper right corner there is the image of the Keel mothership

[white sandal]

That looks kinda similar to me, same pose and possibly same facial features

[stuck imp]

The armor on the photo is more basic, so either it's not him, or it is him but earlier

[opal rover]

in the quick-draw bot trailer the canyon map is stated to be the grand canyon but the trailer is from the old lore era so take it with a bit of salt

[white sandal]

Or he retired

[gloomy junco]

I have a strange guess. What if tech corporations are inventing, has a bad impact on the Earth, like it is today with pollution and stuff. That could explain the storm, but not it's color

But as I said, its just a strange guess

[white sandal]

Storm also has rocks floating around as said in pilot lore, that's basically newton's ability

[gloomy junco]

I was about to say that

[stuck imp]

Purple colour may be associated with Newton and its gravity-bending technology. The storm may not be only a simple storm

[opal rover]

i personally doubt theres enough newtons running around and or using their abilities enough to the point theres a purple storm cloud over antarctica

[white sandal]

Maybe the corporations aren't "making" new tech but digging up old tech

[gloomy junco]

Strong tornados can lift rocks, the size is not specified though

[gloomy junco]

If it was a simple storm, it wouldn't be lore interesting

[white sandal]

And something isn't happy about it wich explains the increase in grey swarm

[opal rover]

so the cataclysm

• Started in South America
• Turned the Oceans to sludge

[stuck imp]

I would rather take the path of "experimental tech that turned wrong". As I mentioned, some standard pilot stories (not LP) mention Spacetech flattening entire colony sectors with misused nuclear reactors. For the sake of science huh ? So it seems reasonable to have grav-tech suffer the same fate and create unforeseen consequences on Earth if they ever happened to have their lab there

[gloomy junco]

Wait, we have that "cloud". And the cloud has its center, like all hurricanes have. Now we have the new map, with the tornado on it, which could possibly be the center of the storm. Now that new map is a lab, all exploded, having flying parts.

[white sandal]

"There are rocks in the sky" is the quote

[stuck imp]

That may get us somewhere with what I'm thinking

[gloomy junco]

We need to see on ts, what they added to that map then

[white sandal]

Could mean something eroped out of the ground or exploded

[opal rover]

and now might be related to the weird purple magnetism storm

[gloomy junco]

Because of some lab experiment. Look at the place on the ground, tornado is on. It's a circle, surrounded by different buildings. This means, they wanted to create the storm, so it is man made.

[opal rover]

hold on what does the tornado do in-game

its clearly in the playable map area

[gloomy junco]

Also, there is that slime blue thing on the buildings, like some kind of parasite

[gloomy junco]

We will find out when ts opens

[stuck imp]

Pushing it to a point they "wanted" the storm does seem a bit far-fetched, but we are lacking clues to tell otherwise It seems weird to willingly want to create a gravitic anomaly on the scale of a continent

[gloomy junco]

I think they were testing a new wepon/ robot ability. The storm was meant to be smaller, but everything went out of control

[white sandal]

Look like a kind of techno virus to me

[opal rover]

maybe they wanted a superweapon to use on the other corporations back on mars?

[opal rover]

do you have a close up of the slime?

like an in-game screenshot?

[gloomy junco]

No, not teally

I will get all the screenshots/ videos to you in 16 minutes, just tell me, what do you need

[white sandal]

Or it was something like a power core test that's gone horribly wrong, possibly by somethings design

[stuck imp]

Or the consequence of an uncontrolled phenomenon ? The colour seems similar to that of the "gravity purple", it could be gravity fields leaking in the buildings. They looks damaged too, and with the hypothesis of an experiment turned wrong it could piece together

[opal rover]

• A close up picture of the slime on the buildings
• A close up and possibly even video of the tornado to see what it does if possible

[white sandal]

Can you get outside the map barrier? I'd be really interested to see what's hidden there

[gloomy junco]

If I can, last time I tried, it didn't let me out

[white sandal]

If not I can find a expert

[gloomy junco]

Okay, so:

• tornado video
• virus thing photo
• out map footage, if possible

Right?

[opal rover]

Regarding the sludge

[white sandal]

Could a cyber human try and wipe out/ scare of humans from earth?

[gloomy junco]

the one from nessa cinematic?

[white sandal]

Yea

Explains the close to ai style but why humans are still using ai in mechs

[opal rover]

cheap infantry

[white sandal]

Someone like erevet (neather pilot) actually did it before him but lost the mental battle

[opal rover]

just copy and paste the ai code

[white sandal]

As from my memory a lot of the cyber style pilots have big mental problems

[gloomy junco]

can I have everet's story please?

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Pilot_Lore:_3V3R3TT

[gloomy junco]

thanks

ts time

[stuck imp]

🫡

[gloomy junco]

no name for the map4

[white sandal]

"What if his virtual person could modify itself? What if it could be mass-produced?" That's lines from his lore and fits really well. Could be something like Thomas mindread (leach pilot) that's close to human but not quite

[gloomy junco]

I also can't get out

video uploadin

that is tech, not a virus

and the tornado does nothing, exept damaging

[stuck imp]

All those purple bits on the buildings are not even accidental or damage, they are intentional cutouts

[gloomy junco]

@white sandal @opal rover

[opal rover]

huh

tho now i'm seeing that weird purple glow coming from the ground

[gloomy junco]

Same

[opal rover]

is it me or are the buildings kinda, hollow?
probably just a test server thing

[gloomy junco]

Interesting

[white sandal]

Might be a power core thing as that's why everything is purple

[gloomy junco]

what if the storm is powered up by so, underground energy

and this place is a vain, so it was studied

and then everything went out of controll

[snow crypt]

you’re probably referring to geothermal energy, not merely underground energy.

In this case, this facility is likely an extractor that is also used for studying the object of study; Some kind of experimental study with some consequences in the form of that oddly colored storm, it is likely not intended and something went wrong somewhere in the process.

This location is likely not on Mars, but somewhere on post cataclysm Earth. Most likely an abandoned quarry inland.

[gloomy junco]

https://liveshow.warrobots.com/investigation/?lang=en

This can help

So something starts tomorrow at 14:45

Which timezone

[gloomy junco]

@fervent harness

[fervent harness]

Oh ty ❤️

[gloomy junco]

Welcome

[fervent harness]

What are the codes? lol

[gloomy junco]

Idk

[fervent harness]

Wait. Are we in 2144???

[night coral]

Huh

[gloomy junco]

Yes

Lmao

[fervent harness]

Dangggg! I somehow invoked time travel. I need to investigate how this happened

[gloomy junco]

Lol

[night coral]

Probably Pixonic?

[fervent harness]

You don't know the passwords?

[gloomy junco]

Moscow

[gloomy junco]

What password?

@fervent harness

[fervent harness]

This is for part II...
So I'm guessing it's starting in 4 hours?

[fervent harness]

For I. The Witness

[gloomy junco]

How did you open that

[fervent harness]

Open what? 🤔

[gloomy junco]

It looks like this for me

[gloomy junco]

Open this

[fervent harness]

I can't... It's locked for 28 hrs

[gloomy junco]

How did you get to this screen

Like I can't even press anything there

Tofsla typing👀👀

[fervent harness]

Looks like this to me

[gloomy junco]

Huh

[solemn lake]

hey! looks like a cache issue

press "Ctrl+Shift+R" if you're on desktop / "Cmd+Shift+R" on Mac
or clear browsing data if you're on mobile

[gloomy junco]

Thanks

[fervent harness]

Oh! Hey tofsla! Great to see you

[gloomy junco]

It worked, thanks alot 🙏

[solemn lake]

heyhey! how's it going guys

[fervent harness]

Awesome! Howru?
Where will the passwords for the investigation be leaked?

[gloomy junco]

I'm awesome, HRU?

[gloomy junco]

I think in the event, it says smth about shredded blitz recording or smth

[fervent harness]

Sounds cool 😎
So only people connected to Pixonics socials will be able to crack it?

[solemn lake]

they're already out there!
let's see who'll find them first 👀

[fervent harness]

Ooooh! I smell a challenge

[solemn lake]

doing great, thanks!

[gloomy junco]

hm, sound intriguing

[sly trout]

Is it intended that you cant vote or enter an answer for the page?

[solemn lake]

Could you elaborate, please? What do you see?

might be a bug, might be something associated with the login process

[gloomy junco]

the robot list, with a "vote" button underneath, but you can't press the button

oh wait

[gloomy junco]

@sly trout clear the cache as shown here, then it will work

at least it did for me

[sly trout]

In the awards section it tells you you can vote and receive weekly prizes but when y oh try to click it it doesn’t let you

[sly trout]

Oh thanks didn’t see this

Feel free to leak anything here

[gloomy junco]

[gloomy junco]

@night coral

@night coral @fervent harness who is JK? Might help us

[fervent harness]

huh?

[sly trout]

What if it’s Hugo’s actual name

He’s called “D”

[gloomy junco]

In the Hugo's story, there is some "JK"

[fervent harness]

hmmm isn't that going a little far?

[gloomy junco]

Idk

I'm grabbing onto everything

[fervent harness]

i have hugo maxed. lets see

[gloomy junco]

K

Also, can you secretly drag everyone who are helping the investigation in this chat?

So we don't flood it and avoid numerous questions, which are the same

[fervent harness]

we can open a group dm

[gloomy junco]

Also a plan

[sly trout]

inclusion?

[fervent harness]

all points to something in springfield

[gloomy junco]

Hm

Might do smth there then

[gloomy junco]

I guess, as long as you help

[fervent harness]

sent

[night coral]

Leaving me out?

[fervent harness]

sent you too silly

[sly trout]

Add me

[white sandal]

There are a few more to add lol

[gloomy junco]

Yes

[fervent harness]

you interested in helping out? and @sly trout ?

[sly trout]

Yeah I’d like a private place to discuss this

[fervent harness]

youre in

[white sandal]

Yea

[sly trout]

@blissful swan show yourself

[blissful swan]

👀

[sly trout]

Are you interested in joining

[fervent harness]

Iv'e caught you. if you don't tell me the passwords terrible things will happen

[sly trout]

You can’t beat us

[fervent harness]

accept friend

[sly trout]

Join us

[blissful swan]

I'm just the watcher 🙂
I won't tell you any passwords

[night coral]

Watching us suffer

[sly trout]

At least add craft’s :slurp: emoji

👀

[blissful swan]

Ok, let's not spam in this branch, and leave it for lore and arg discussions

[gloomy junco]

notes from the uncovered parts of the website

I thought this can help the lore out

"Two years have passed since I started looking into the anomalies. It all started with these images. They are from 2080 — the year when the Cataclysm took place. I didn't even know if they are real... until that same accursed glimmering started to take over the skies of Springfield. Further digging gave no results. Corpo databases are a dead end. Everything related to the Cataclysm is classified. But what if... what if I were to find a witness?
I took a journey to Neo-Tortuga and asked The Broker about who is the oldest person he knows. He gave me a name — Chester Coen. He gave me these numbers along with the name:

1-2-4, 3-9-1, 3-16-4, 2-18-4, 1-6-5, 1-24-2, 3-12-2, 3-16-4, 2-60-3, 1-51-7, 2-90-1, 1-51-7, 1-4-2, 3-6-4

Great. Just great. I'm dead sure it's a code. But what is it for?
Okay, what if I look up Chester Coen? Let's take this paragraph, this word, and this letter. It's a "W". Then comes "R", and then..."

[stuck imp]

That code is opaque to my eyes. What kind of data do we encode on three digits, with the extremities confined between 1 and 7 ?

First thought : 3D coordinates, but impractical to represent a data

I have an idea that needs cooking, look forward for my next messages

First attempt at obtaining usable data : WR-DHHU-VYQYOG

It's still encoded, more cooking needs to be done

[opal rover]

They are from 2080 — the year when the Cataclysm took place.
Is this new information?

[gloomy junco]

I guess

[gloomy junco]

@stuck imp not taking that into account, which year was the cataclysm at?

[stuck imp]

2080 from memory, could check with previous operation and pilot lores

[gloomy junco]

Well, don't need

It matches the year we are given

[opal rover]

so now we know the cataclysm

• Started in South America
• Happened on the year 2080

[white sandal]

And had something to do with that purple effect

"It all started with these images. I didn't even know if they are real... until that same accursed glimmering started to take over the skies of Springfield."

until that same accursed glimmering is pretty descriptive of the stuff on earth

[snow crypt]

@stuck imp wanna try explaining Pathfinder’s passive and active abilities?

also, its been 23 or so days; time for a revival of this thread.

[stuck imp]

Looks like an improved version of Death Mark, which base principle is unknown. Just like Leech it could be a complete hacking of the target's systems, as the "canon" explanation is a computer virus. Although the stacking buff part is obscure, as to why your machine gains additional damage output and speed.

A solution that works lore-wise is that you are getting intel on the specific targets you are following (such as robot models, where they come from, possible models in the squad) and then your targeting systems can seek the right weak points in advance. And the more robots you kill with your scanners active, the more intel you get and it snowballs up to a point you can just rush in fearlessly and one-shot everyone.

However in-game it doesn't make much sense as everyone respawns with whatever they want, and we completely lose the "pathfinder" aspect that can be observed in a lore-accurate situation. This robot would certainly excel in the task of ambushing a group of identified targets, not casally brawl in a closed arena against unidentified enemies

[gloomy junco]

hm

what about that "flashlight"

[low rivet]

Big light bulb

[sand swallow]

huh

[opal rover]

ground zero released

[gloomy junco]

U sure?

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQi9psobaiE yes

[gloomy junco]

Bruh

[gloomy junco]

Is it playable?

I think no

[opal rover]

wait what

[gloomy junco]

It is "out"

But it's not out yet

You can't play in it

[wise torrent]

theres a ardent rayker???

[low rivet]

No.

Just a skin

[wise torrent]

oh

[opal rover]

1. Wait is her last name the same as Amelia Earhart
   and
2. Whats Raptor?
   2.5. Dammit they took the name of one of my fan robot ideas that i was never gonna complete anyways

[white sandal]

Raptor is the newest bot released in this update

[snow crypt]

this isn’t a biography, its a letter.

[opal rover]

who is this

[white sandal]

New raptor pilot

[opal rover]

who are the demons?

[snow crypt]

no idea

[low rivet]

Sounds like an organized crime group.

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Pilot_Lore:_Nian wait i think its her, she and the harpy/siren version of yang lee debuted in the same even/update

[low rivet]

Good find!

Most definitely her then.

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Roulette i must say roulette has to be my least favourite mothership design, it looks like a workshop placeholder model they forgot to replace.
Your telling me almost every rich person on yan-di takes a ride on this ship that looks older and more outdated than a rhino?
Wheres the yan-di royal style and gold?

[white sandal]

It looks like like something dsc or icarus would use

[gloomy junco]

still outdated

ig it's better on the inside though

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wANvWwJ3rxA
I must say i actually quite like the new titan stuff, the acid shotguns are surprisingly cool and if you ask me mauler is a breath of fresh air mechanically speaking, the past new robots and titans have felt really cluttered and bloated with their abilities but mauler imo not so much, oddly mixed on its design for some reason. also please don't turn out to be a dsc/spacetech titan

the dark light reactor in mauler's arm looks oddly similar to the shenaniganery at ground zero if you ask me, speaking of ground zero where is it? Its apperantly, well, ground zero for the cataclysm and that apperantly started after some explosion in south america.

also why is there an actual anime character

Edit: Nvm about mauler not being too bloated why do you convert damage to dot how and why does that even exist in the first place

[low rivet]

Yes, the core it has on its arm would be similar in some ways to whatever caused Ground Zero and by extent the Cataclysm. We know at Ground Zero they were trying to build what was essentially a wormhole, and to do so it'd require immense manipulation of gravity. Dark light creates a gravitational zone and releases radiation so would probably share similarities with the original tech in the wormhole (World Gate).

[opal rover]

a wormhole to where?

[white sandal]

Probably wherever frontiers is based

[low rivet]

Mars and Earth.

[opal rover]

https://discord.com/channels/692379063716937790/1271507493490655315 i've noticed a trend

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Pilot_Lore:_Nova_Light lore of the anime character, someone execute sophia this instant

huh

[white sandal]

Her being pre cataclysm is interesting

[low rivet]

Very.

Remember that figure shown in the Nessa cinematic? Could it possibly be them? They'd be using pre-cataclysm tech.

[white sandal]

It might be whoever made the device that erevet found to turn himself into digital form

[low rivet]

Could be, that's not out of the question.

[opal rover]

i think its just an in-universe theory as to who "she" is

because i refuse to believe she's as or more ancient than chester coen

[stuck imp]

Could totally be a pre-cataclysm pure AI, with no human brain behind. Whatever "she" was made for in the beginning, something allowed "her" to survive and somehow bypass Yan-Di security to get a war robot more than seventy years later. A pure computer program will not age if it's maintained properly, which in this context means the AI doesn't become crippled from its learning procedures, and the physical computer or drive it is stored on is kept in functional state.

It could be believable that a computer program may have survived the Cataclysm, as many other relics have too. It is just bizarre that we heard of it only now

Another question emerging from this train of thought : has Nova Light survived alone to the Cataclysm ? Being a computer program, she could be like Everett the digitalized version of a human, or a pure program that may have needed someone to be maintained. A well-built program may survive by itself of course, if given access to sufficient material resources

[opal rover]

the vat synth brains mentioned remind of those things in the background of that angler poster

[low rivet]

Ah, the Evolife labyrinths. Home of the most horrific experiments.

[opal rover]

can't believe they where just added for a cool loading screen background with no lore despite their ramifications and then they're finally part of the lore, for the lore about the anime character

[gloomy junco]

pretty sure they weren't

[buoyant wind]

Omg angler 😍

[low rivet]

proffesional war robots player

[buoyant wind]

Hi