Wr Lore

[abstract flare]

My best theory is some kind of energy field like magnetic field that can reduce speed of projectiles, which might be affected by magnetic from railguns or titan’s vacuum weapon. However, there’s tons of hole there.

Maybe it’s not a single system but combination of many. Like the heat are actually blocked by another way.

[opal rover]

one thing i want to note is tht energy shields have something to do with temperature as appeareantly everett managed to get his nether to ignore energy shields by doing something with the core

[abstract flare]

That’s quite weird since energy shield can both block liquid from flamethrower (1000 Celsius), laser (3400 Celsius) or even lightning from zues (6100 Celsius) and cold negative energy flow from hel

Note: all temperature are found by simple google search. I don’t have much info about that field.

[half mason]

YUS I found this gem

Thanks to a guy

[jade hare]

Welcome to the secret and better lore chat

[stuck imp]

I don't think you will find anything concerning the Skadi "negative energy flow" : it sounds like something made up from nothingness... All we know is that it drains energy, and our knowledge stops there. It shouldn't even create the freezing effect, unless there is an insane amount of liquid to freeze in the air. It just makes the target lose its energy You can feel the crap from ten miles away

What I found about negative energy tells that it's a speculative concept used in physics to explain some theories in the void of space (wormholes, void energy...) This "negative energy" also sounds quite difficult to harness, given that we can only speculate its existence through calculations

[devout current]

the ability to harness the void and they made ice noodles

[white sandal]

Humans always make weapons

[devout current]

you'd think they would be more impressive than ice noodles

[white sandal]

I'm still waiting for zenit 2.0 so no

Need nuke launchers with big blast and long reload

[devout current]

ah yes just straight up kill the pilots with radiation poisoning

speaking of which why doesn't hazard decay and blight poison pilots

[white sandal]

Probably dose

But given there occupation it's probably not a big deal

[devout current]

well normally they just lose the bot and eject with the pod

radiation poisoning should be much harder to take care of

[half mason]

Pilots wear armor ofc

They don't pilot those things bare skin

Or maybe the pod is just a separate part of the bot like a seed of an avocado

If y'all remember the war robots vr game,the dude ejects but the frame of the glass is still on which means they are sitting on a pod than just a chair

[jade hare]

Yeah, we talked about this earlier with @stuck imp

[devout current]

if radiation goes through robots it's not gonna get stopped by armor

[jade hare]

There's a pod inside the bot which is made out of really hard material

[half mason]

So ig the pods give sufficient protection to radiation

[devout current]

but does it block radiation

[half mason]

Along with other possible hazards like rust,metal chewing nanobots,fire,shock, and explosions

[devout current]

those don't pierce through like radiation

[half mason]

I mean the nanobots are terrifying

Those things are small and could be on top of the pod

I'm surprised they made a very strong pod but some robots as fragile as bones

[devout current]

robots are replaceable

pilots with skill are not

[half mason]

If freeze makes anything brittle then I suppose the pod can deal with that too

No wonder they cause millions of silver

Majority of the income belongs to the pods bwuhahaha

But isn't it too dumbfounded that pods could actually protect you from ANYTHING

What kind of material did the humans manage to find to make something so durable in any circumstance?

Even from calibers that are 1/3 the size of your robot decimating you and you can still survive that?

[jade hare]

There are materials that can reduce radiation

[devout current]

most of them either need lots of it to be effective and others are toxic

would be impractical to have a large wall of concrete in a robot

[jade hare]

They found a new material then I guess

[devout current]

welp

[opal rover]

so crisis... its behemoth with stealth (havent all the robots this year so far have stealth). and Rook is literally shells used be hackers no exaggeration

[stuck imp]

What's once again very sad is that Crisis has a good hull design and philosophy, but it's OP beyond anything in its current state... And it only makes Behemoth look like a Tier 2 robot.
Only perk Behemoth has compared to Crisis is that its has more than double the health... But compare that with Stealth + an actual built-in one-shot potential, and it shows clearly that Behemoth has already a few years behind it

[opal rover]

and rook...

ok all of the previous op bots could be balanced even angler and aether in my opinion but how do even begin to balance stuff like lynx and crisis

if ur below a certain health and lynx is nearby your done for no matter what

[jade hare]

Nerf the hp, nerf the speed, nerf the b.i.w's range and the the ability of it. Like instead of 20% hp remaining it could kill bots instantly that are below 10%

[opal rover]

what about crisis, for me its especially bad for one thing

it completely invalidates behemoth, a fellow tier 4 bot

behemoths whole thing is that it has 4 heavies

[jade hare]

Nerf the speed, nerf the ability damage boost or completely remove it, nerf the stealth like even moving disables it so you need to stay in one place in order to get stealth

[opal rover]

i think u might need to change the hardpoints

[jade hare]

I think the hp is good like this

[jade hare]

Meh

[opal rover]

and also nerf the stealth

[jade hare]

Pix wouldn't do that. I mean the hardpoints

[jade hare]

That's what I said

[opal rover]

u can literally go the entire match and be untouchable

while still doing damage

a lot of damage

[jade hare]

Shooting disables the stealth

[opal rover]

oh thank goodness

[jade hare]

Shooting, ability using, module using, mothership using disables the stealth so you only get stealth when you move and look around

[jade hare]

As I said here they could later nerf the stealth by adding moving to the disabling side too so you need to stay in one place to get stealth

[opal rover]

what about rook the literal legal hacking titan

[jade hare]

Also, after your stealth is gone you need to wait 5 seconds to get it back so enemies can easily kill you cuz you have only 125k hp at mk3

[jade hare]

Nerf the range of the flying, nerf the suppression and the ability damage, nerf the shield durability, nerf the heal you get from the shields, nerf the speed, nerf the durability

[opal rover]

nerf everything

[jade hare]

Basically yeah

Crisis is a glass cannon. You can kill enemies easily with it but you can be killed easily too

[opal rover]

i really hate how rook and other titans are almost certainly meant to replace other titans, i know other bots do that but with titans it just feels wrong

[opal rover]

meanwhile behemoth is also a glass cannon, I think?

[jade hare]

Not really. It's a sniper for long range and a damage dealer for close range

It's not a tank and not a brawler

[opal rover]

so what is it even

i guess jack of all trades master of none unless its damage dealing

[jade hare]

If you using long range weapons it can be a sniper, if you use close range weapons it can be a damage dealer. It's hp is not that much so it can't be considered as a tank and the same goes for the brawler I think.
Idk the difference between these 2 (brawler, damage dealer)

[devout current]

rook is more like queen

on steroids

[jade hare]

I guess tank has a lot of hp and not that much damage
Damage dealer has a lot of damage but not that much hp
And brawler is between them 🤔

[jade hare]

War Robots: Chess

[devout current]

protect the king (cossack)

[jade hare]

Strider is the bishop

[devout current]

and all the tanks are pawns

[stuck imp]

Raven is the Horsie

[white sandal]

It's like ejecting from a fighter plane, last resort

[white sandal]

Do you know the scale of the guns on the mechs in wr?

Avenger is firing half a meter rounds at mini gun speeds

[stuck imp]

Half a meter sounds a bit too optimistic, considering the old denomination for Nashorn was"KwK 448mm" I would rather think the Avenger being closer to a 50mm than the 500mm you are thinking of.

Among the biggest miniguns in service nowadays is the GAU-8 : a 30mm cannon firing at 3900 rpm (65 bullets per second), mounted on the well-known A10-Warthog. The minuguns in WR fire much slower than that, but the scale of the barrels compared to the Nashorn tells that it doesn't have a crazy futuristic caliber

[half mason]

My point was "how in the world did pilots survive being repeatedly hit by giant calibers" I'm obv referring to titans

More specifically on the usage of vengeance

Along with other insane weapons

[white sandal]

I judged that buy putting avengers on seraph and firing of some shots and comparing it to the image of trixy standing next to seraph

It's probably not that big but it's definitely much bigger rounds then we use for now day mini guns. And bigger rounds sounds like a good explanation for why they fire less

[jade hare]

Seraph is 15.3 meter tall. Trixy could be 170 cm? 🤔

[stuck imp]

We also know that WR has an inconsistent scaling throughout maps, posters, in-game size, etc

[snow crypt]

too bad there isn’t an actual person for reference in game. Besides that one time where ksiro showed us a 3d model of ricardo, which appeared to be as big as a titan… maybe even bigger with how he was presented in respect to the hanger he was in.

[devout current]

the true power of ricardo unleashed

[stuck imp]

Well there are cars and small things, but again this leads to completely inconsistent values

Seraph being 15m tall just doesn't seem to be right with all other sources

[opal rover]

the ticks are around the size of a dude in that cinematic, i'd put them at the size of a car

and theres also the vehicles on certain maps

and i think i heard somewhere that the drones are the size of helicopters

[devout current]

speaking of drones how do drones like ironhearth exist?

[opal rover]

ironhearth just has both a heater and a freezer

[devout current]

but how does it float if it's frozen

there's ice hanging off of it

[opal rover]

it just has ice on the outside

not in the inside

[devout current]

isn't it made of iron though

[opal rover]

you can still use a car covered in ice

[devout current]

cars don't float

[opal rover]

so long as the engines and other stuff are fine

[opal rover]

but they are similar to drones in that they're mechanical things that use engines and other stuff to move

[devout current]

iron is a pretty good conductor of heat though so how does it stay hot and cold at the same time

[opal rover]

i would say that the inside of ironhearth is pretty hot but the outside has a weird freezer thing that makes the outside of ironhearth colder

kinda like a nuclear reactor

[devout current]

eh other drones wouldn't physically be able to exist anyway

[opal rover]

#💬│wr-general message fujin and raijin are evolife robots right?

[jade hare]

They are Evolife but that picture said they were SpaceTech in the past

Pix changed a lot of robots' factions

[white sandal]

Another image to show scale

[half mason]

Yo I just found out that pods won't guarantee your safety in the battlefield

Go read Bernadette Wolff's bio it explains a lot

[devout current]

they can also get stuck and not eject like with roberto

[snow crypt]

any one of you guys tried placing each drone in a faction yet? There are some obvious ones, but the others I am not so sure about.

[jade hare]

I don't think we tried them yet. I know we tried weapons yet but not drones 🤔

[white sandal]

Who made zenit then?

[stuck imp]

Probably DSC at some point. Most old weapons would come from there, with a few exceptions : homing missiles may be Icarus (AI guidance ?), Zeus Magnum and Gekko from Spacetech as Energy weapons

[snow crypt]

Beak and Patron are easily spacetech, Ironhearth and Barrel would probably be DSC.

[jade hare]

Paralysis could be Evolife

Kestrel is Yan-di

[white sandal]

Wasp looks evolife

Glider is yan-di

[opal rover]

glider is apperantly spacetech

[snow crypt]

what about octanian and daltokki?

[snow crypt]

I swear, this is the laziest design pixonic has made so far... just look at these open parts in the Sirius model. I feel like their cutting corners here.

ya'll ever wonder why Sirius is so weak? Now you know, because there are literal holes in its model.

[white sandal]

I wondered when we would actually see the rushed designs effect the design

[stuck imp]

Releasing a new bot every two months is a real constraint on the designers for sure. Such models being lazy can be certainly linked to all the hitboxes being traversed by projectiles : it was Seraph, and now Ardent Imugi..... I feel they're cutting corners too, and it's not good for us players

[white sandal]

And cruel angler

[stuck imp]

Also something I never understood is how Orochi's Stealth stutters when activating the ability, while Stalker and Pursuer don't suffer such a lag More and more things are going wrong, and I would expect that soon the game may not handle much more things without breaking apart

[white sandal]

It's already breaking in some places

[stuck imp]

All the stupid broken concepts already show that : they don't have patience anymore, and they just release dumb things to make money...

I am curious if they could release a new tank capable of replacing B-Fenrir, apart from Khepri See how recently they released only robots with weird and intricate abilities, while what we ask as a tank is only taking damage without impediment... But it doesn't have any real ability, and that's boring : that doesn't sell like an Orochi 2.0 that can one-shot, that doesn't sell like a Stealth flyer with 12s cooldown

[devout current]

the last bot they labelled as a "tank" was a angler

[stuck imp]

But it doesn't feel as a tank like B-Fen does.... A tank relying on a Phase Shift.... Still waiting for a replacement , if it ever happens

[jade hare]

We need a tank with an ability that can increase it's resistance by 99% and boosts it's speed and damage while getting back heal for damaging

[half mason]

A mini luchador

I always thought what factions had a conflict before

Instead of being hired mercenaries and such

Like maps could explain why they look so desolate

And the mother ship being taken down in a desert

[jade hare]

You can guess some from here and there

[half mason]

But ig it's not that of a big deal in wr cuz they are already beating each other for profit and recognition

Or maybe they were actually at war before the existence of the better cosmetic bots

The ogs before comp bots existed

They didn't really care much for fancy designs instead they focused on practicality

[snow crypt]

the first instance of this was with scavenger shell, then unknown seraph, then cruel angler, then ardent imugi. Four times that this hitbox issue had occurred, it seems only now that the big youtubers are paying attention to it now more than ever.

[jade hare]

The Eye drone is DSC

[opal rover]

octanion probably isnt that canon, daltokki i'd put as icarus

[opal rover]

god lynx is one of the few bots im actually considering to axe from my project(s)

how do you even balance that without making it trash

[jade hare]

@stuck imp

Normal Editions
Special Editions
Ultimate Editions

[stuck imp]

BRUH

Like, those would be Orkans Mk69 basically

[jade hare]

If you think about it. Your old robots can become meta again. Ultimate editions will bring back the old, unnerfed death button builds

And they look cool too

[stuck imp]

What ...... You saying my Flux Falcon can become golden too ?

[jade hare]

If they make an Ultimate Falcon, then yes

[stuck imp]

Actually, Falcon and Flux could get two separate upgrades to Ultimate :

• The Falcon as the Gigachad tank
• And the Flux as the Gigachad sniper, uncorrupted against Prisma

Trebuchet too

[jade hare]

@stuck imp

[stuck imp]

Bruh they are really making a randomised module

[jade hare]

Pix read my mind again btw

[stuck imp]

Also they should really make weapon skins, not only reserved to p2w people wanting to bring back their childhood in Champs

[jade hare]

I made a robot idea before, it's name was Glitch and it had random abilities from a list of other robots and you couldn't guess which ability you would get. Maybe teleport a few meters forward? Or make a copy of yourself to distract the enemy? Nobody knows

[jade hare]

@stuck imp did you check out the live show website yet?

[stuck imp]

Not yet

[jade hare]

There's 2 things there that's worth a look. The voting section where you vote for your favourite things and the leak hunt where you can answer questions. This is the more interesting part

There are some questions that are obvious but some of them are tricky

My guesses:

1. Titles, because of the old test server where we had titles
2. Kyle, because Nessa is new and I doubt that they would make another one of her (might be Min-ji)
3. Sniper, because of Crisis
4. Spectre, because of it's ultimate edition (except if the Robespierre thing was real, then the role of the bot changes too)
5. Snowy mountains, because of Yamantau
6. Idk this one but maybe APPM-3TR? WR:F plays 200 years after WR and I doubt that humans can live that long so only an android would be able to live in the WR:F universe 🤔

[stuck imp]

Aren't Titles the small things saying "Popular" and "Legend Choice" on weapons and robots ?

[jade hare]

Then what do you call those things that are above our heads in battles? 🤔

[devout current]

names lol

[jade hare]

Not that 🤡

[devout current]

health bar

[jade hare]

[devout current]

what else is there

[jade hare]

You don't know because you weren't there and I can't show because all the videos I find is not from big youtubers

These

Also, I like how everyone is asking the answers for these questions. I saw a question in #🎲│off-topic yesterday and now one in #🪐│scifi-story-lore

[devout current]

oh those were for the test server that one time

personally i hated it

[stuck imp]

At least it gives the League ?

Or it's a random symbol linked to the Title ?

[jade hare]

It was just a test so it was random but I think there will be different titles that we can choose from and the league will be our current league. But idk for sure

And we can get titles by doing something maybe? 🤔

[devout current]

maybe challenges

or achievements

[jade hare]

@stuck imp Adrian's stream is out so it's time to find who's gonna return in the next update (I guess it's Nessa 🤡)

[devout current]

entire chat is spamming nessa riggs

[stuck imp]

Too bad I already answered wrong I mean WR creates an event on leaks, that's already insane !

[opal rover]

probably not, tho they look similar

[jade hare]

It's Nessa but I think in the future

[jade hare]

I will wait till the end with my answers. Also, I heared somewhere (🤡) that there will be another interesting event later. Idk when but there will be one

[opal rover]

they have different skin colour

[jade hare]

Then a new pilot but still Nessa is the answer dor the 2nd question

[opal rover]

what is the second question?

[jade hare]

Go to the website and find out

[opal rover]

i see it now

i hate how one of the answers for question 4 is boa

[jade hare]

Why? 🤔

[opal rover]

they know for fact that we want it back, but wont put it back

[jade hare]

It's still in the game. You just can't get it

[opal rover]

i know, its painful

i dont care about the clown

[jade hare]

The one that makes me crazy is the Robespierre and the next bot's role on the battlefield

Predator made a video about the "comeback" of Robespierre (🤡) and now I'm afraid of answering these 2 questions

[opal rover]

the answer is ob sniper

[jade hare]

I know but what if Pix will really bring back Robespierre? Then the role might be tank or raider (whatever that means)

[opal rover]

do u think phantom and jaeger should be demoted to tier 3?

[jade hare]

Maybe? But then other bots should go there too

[opal rover]

what do bots do u think should be demoted

[jade hare]

Behemoth in the next update

[opal rover]

naw crisis should be demoted to non-existence

[jade hare]

🤡

[opal rover]

i dont care

[jade hare]

You can talk about it's deletion as much as you want, Pix will add it anyway

[opal rover]

just anihilate one or maybe even 2 lol heavy slot

[jade hare]

They won't do it

[opal rover]

my main problem with crisis is that is has 4 heavy slots like the stealth is an interesting concept but good god the heavy slots

[jade hare]

Role: Glass cannon

[opal rover]

perma stealth and 4 heavy slots is perma stealth and 4 heavy slots

and you know damn well people are gonna remove the glass part of glass cannon

[jade hare]

They can't really do it. It has 150k hp at mk3

[opal rover]

what is stopping thm from putting armadillo on it

[jade hare]

Nothing but it's still not gonna be the next T-Falcon

[opal rover]

i said "removing the glass" not "replacing with metal"

[jade hare]

Download the ts and try out Crisis with Armadillo then and see how it becomes a cannon

[opal rover]

my ipad doesnt have enough space

[jade hare]

Who have thought it's gonna be APPM-3TR? 🤡

[white sandal]

Yea it's way to good and a stupid idea

[devout current]

behemoth's whole gimmick was being slow when having all the weapons active

crisis not only has them all active but gets infinite stealth and more damage with shieldbreaker

[white sandal]

It shouldn't have it's ability

Perm stealth with 4 heavys is pretty good as is

[devout current]

it shouldn't even be that fast

[white sandal]

It's probably going to be balanced after 3-4 months

Kind of like pix is using the live sever to actually balance and bug test stuff

[stuck imp]

Yesterday I also watched a video from Manni where he is basically upset at the Special Edition skins taking 60% less damage ..... For the 4th time in a row : like he says, once it's an accident, twice you begin to think about it, but third time it can't be an accident anymore.
Pixonic is really doing shady things on live server, at this point I'm asking myself what the test server is for

[devout current]

to see if the new bots are too easy to kill

[white sandal]

To get the new things able to be used on live sever

[devout current]

oh they're usable all right but they need to be overpowered to sell properly

[jade hare]

There are no SEs on the test server and SEs have different body shapes so their hitbox is different too. This way they can't test if their hitboxes are good or not

[stuck imp]

But can't they just copy-paste the files ?! I mean ......... A special edition has a similar hitbox to the normal model, and it's the 4th time it happens in chain !
At some point we just can't believe the "accident" theory anymore...
Also, as "pro" game developers they can certainly upload the SE on their private testing grounds to see of the hitbox is satisfying ; and currently the issue keeps happening over and over, meaning that either they are not as "pro" as they look, or they are straight dishonest

Both the "not pro" and the "dishonest" profiles don't sound right with Pixonic to be honest...

[jade hare]

Another thing:
Nessa comes back, her old bot is dead
Pix brings back the old Spectre as a new bot

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[stuck imp]

Like how come a Shocktrain shot doesn't register against an Ardent Imugi ?!

*4 times in a row ? And it doesn't even bounce to the robot if I shoot another close enemy ?

I just witnessed that right now

How can that happen and Pixonic doesn't care ?!

[jade hare]

Yes

[stuck imp]

[jade hare]

The new Nessa will be a Spectre pilot. Confirmed

[opal rover]

she isnt even a year old dammit

[jade hare]

Years in WR ≠ years in real life

[jade hare]

• we aren't going in chronological order

[opal rover]

i mean that she hasnt been in the game for even a year

[jade hare]

And? Maybe she's a main character in the WR universe

[opal rover]

it just feels a bit weird she's so quickly getting a second version

[jade hare]

If we getting more lore with her then I'm not complaining

[white sandal]

Yang le has 2 versions and probably will be a titan pilot when they come out

[jade hare]

There are other pilots who have 2 versions, not just Yang Lee

[opal rover]

yang lee was in the game for more than a year when he became a harpy/siren pilot

[nova depot]

kyle rogers too

[jade hare]

And Olga

[white sandal]

I know

[white sandal]

But only yang le has a part in his bio about wanting to drive titans

[jade hare]

And? We talked about pilots who has 2 versions and haven't even been in the game for a year. So only Nessa. How titans came into the conversation? 🤔

[jade hare]

Interesting 🤔

Also, the other versions were way cooler than the Kraken one

[stuck imp]

The light green one (#2 from left) is kinda reminiscent of Bastion

[jade hare]

Yeah

1. Crimson Indra
2. Solid Indra
3. Alien Indra

[jade hare]

The WR timeline that I started some time ago:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tYbiSzpSK8l0NwmZXIFS6wuXo7JhrLvU/view

[abstract flare]

The next one look like Eldritch

[jade hare]

You mean the green on the right?

Maybe

[opal rover]

there was gonna be a f####ing snake robot!

[jade hare]

Yeah

[opal rover]

i assume it was a design idea for indra or what eventually became indra?

[jade hare]

That will be a new bot. It wasn't a cancelled idea

[opal rover]

and suddenly im worried

it better not be yet another stealth robot

like we've had 3 new robots in a row with stealth

[jade hare]

Orochi 3.0:
Has 2 Heavy weapons
Can go underground and gains stealth after it comes out of the ground
Also it has a b.i.w that gives corrosion to the enemy and the corrosion can kill the enemy if it's hp goes below 10%

[opal rover]

proceeds to underground on an aircraft carrier

[half mason]

Underground on a bridge

[jade hare]

I forgot to mention titan pilots...

The first 2 is Nessa and Yang Lee

[opal rover]

source?

[jade hare]

The liveshow video

Yang Lee as a Titan pilot

[jade hare]

And this is the Nessa titan pilot

This thing allows pilots to pilot titans. To pilot a titan you need a lot of AIs but with this machine you can easily control a titan and you don't need AIs

[jade hare]

Any other questions?

[nova depot]

what's nessa's ability?

[snow crypt]

makes the titan enter stealth while its ability is active, but it loses 15 percent durability.

[white sandal]

For ming?

[snow crypt]

it’s called a joke

[jade hare]

Don't know

[jade hare]

Nessa will be a Rook pilot but idk the ability

[jade hare]

Also, idk if this will be Yang Lee's ability. Maybe it's just a test picture or something

[white sandal]

Eh hopefully not rok but it makes sence

[white sandal]

Given yang le pilots flying bots I'd assume he continues that.

I can't wait to see shranga, mino and luchs pilots

[opal rover]

oh right i dont rylly watch the liveshows lol

[opal rover]

bold to assume they'll get pilots

[stuck imp]

Minos is fairly popular, it wouldn't surprise me if he got a pilot...
But for Sharanga, Murometz and Nodens the chances do look slimmer

Without forgetting Heimdall

[opal rover]

especially with that bug that still hasent been fixed

[stuck imp]

Nodens ?

[opal rover]

yeah it hasnt been fixed yet i think

[stuck imp]

I'm still seeing messages in the forums here about it, so I guess it is not fixed

I hate when Pixonic keeps releasing new content while the game is crumbling

[opal rover]

like i dont have any other titans aside from nodens

and we all know how hard it is to get titans

what do you expect me to do with a titan that effectively has one ability

and that ability isnt even the main one people use it for

the fact they buff nodens but not fix its bug is even more insulting

[stuck imp]

Bruh

Indeed that's just disrespectful

[opal rover]

like they know it exists but they wont fix it

[stuck imp]

Also how they seem to "wait for next update" instead of just fixing it right away

[jade hare]

Nessa WILL be a Rook pilot. Pix said it in the liveshow

Also, I think every titan will get atleast 1 pilot in the future. I mean I hope

Or maybe there will be universal pilots too. I doubt that normal pilots will be available for titans but there's a chance it will happen 🤔

[snow crypt]

can’t wait for the next arnav poe for indra.

[opal rover]

i cant wait for the nodens bug to be fixed

because i literally cant wait for something that probably wont come

[stuck imp]

I expect only one thing with all the things the Titan Pilots will bring : Lock-On expert skill for my Cyclone Minos

[opal rover]

imagine extra dot on krait

[stuck imp]

I guess most of the skills would be based off the normal skills we already know. The contrary would really surprise me, in a good way actually

[jade hare]

@stuck imp
Theory:
Noa is Olga

[opal rover]

who the f is noa

[jade hare]

Justice!

Noa Minax

[white sandal]

It's been comferded to be happening next update

And buffs to compensate

[white sandal]

Oh that's sad, I probably should find the liveshow and watch it

[jade hare]

Yeah, it was good. I speedrunned it. Only watched the parts where something interesting happened

[white sandal]

Pix wouldn't miss out on a option to make $$$ and the T3 bots get pilots but not T2 wich is what I'd expect to happen. Also gives a way to make it even harder and more $$ needed to get the best pilot

[opal rover]

give us his lore

[jade hare]

If you log into the game now you can get him

[opal rover]

my ipad no longer has enough space for war robots

[jade hare]

That's sad

[opal rover]

im gonna end up having to wait for like christmas for a phone or whatever that can handle having more than 1 mobile game on it

in order to get back in the toxic relationship that is war robots

[light bridge]

Aja

[white sandal]

Patton dropping in

[jade hare]

That's a battleship. Don't mix it with motherships. Battleships are smaller and can only carry a few robots that's why they can go near the ground to drop robots

[opal rover]

i kinda always assumed the bots were teleported there or something lol

[jade hare]

Some teleport, some are dropped down

[abstract flare]

In the next 200 years, they are summoned by drone

[jade hare]

Teleported by drones

[white sandal]

I figured it was smaller and atmo capable because of that

[digital prairie]

https://discord.gg/warrobots

[abstract flare]

I almost call pk for that

[nova depot]

i'm the test server there's a new animation for when robots spawn in

they get teleported to the battle

[jade hare]

Can you make a short video about it and send it here?

[nova depot]

ok once the the test server opens

2 hours

[abstract flare]

Yep. But when it comes to Ultimate Spectre, only weapons play animations in my game for some reason.

[jade hare]

Nice

@stuck imp

[stuck imp]

That's extremely nice

I hope it solves the stutter when spawning

[jade hare]

And it fits to the lore too

[white sandal]

Where is a pk when you need them lol

[jade hare]

@delicate jacinth where are you? 🤔

[delicate jacinth]

sleeping

guy was already muted tho

[jade hare]

I know

But we can't delete messages so we needed you

Also, sorry for waking you up

[opal rover]

wait what happened

[jade hare]

Invite links to other server. The usual

Nothing interesting. Just a normal day on the WR server

[opal rover]

that doesn't seem that bad rylly

unless it was without context

[jade hare]

He sent 2 invite links with no messages to I think a russian server 🤔

[opal rover]

ok year very sketchy

[jade hare]

Same logo

So this place is a pirate "village"

Or something like that

[nova depot]

yes

[opal rover]

hard for me to tell due to all the dust in the picture

[jade hare]

What can't you tell? 🤔

[opal rover]

that its like a settlement

[jade hare]

The left part of it is like a crashed and half open mothership

You can see a metal structure

[jade hare]

New pilot and new Baihu Lynx and Stake? 🤔
Idk which weapon name is for which slot

[snow crypt]

stake is heavy
spike is medium
needle is light

[jade hare]

Imma remember that

[white sandal]

Basically how big and pointy something is

[snow crypt]

the two wheels on the lynx are connected by a single piston on each one.

something tells me that the upper body of the lynx should collapse in this case. No matter what happens.

[jade hare]

Lynx is just a no from both the lore's pov and from the gameplay's pov

[snow crypt]

how did you become a tc?

[jade hare]

🤷‍♂️

[snow crypt]

🤔

[jade hare]

Alex decided with the team and they made me TC

[snow crypt]

lucky you then

[jade hare]

Yeah, more work for me, yay!

[delicate jacinth]

yes, more work 😈

[delicate jacinth]

and also, thank craft and roy

[opal rover]

"This isnt a "the thing you suggested wouldn't work in our world with our own rules of physics" its a "thing you have suggested wouldn't work even within the parameters of your own world"

[stuck imp]

I mean Lynx doesn't make much sense on a mechanical standpoint. The wheels in that very position would definitely make it more stable, but it's so fragile and still unstable that it would have trouble to stay upright Also, just jam a wheel with a large stick, and admire a marvel of engineering falling over on its face

Also, all-terrain capabilities are down-the-charts compared to its legged counterpart Orochi : because wheels are never good going off-road, why would it be a good idea to equip a war machine with gigantic wheels when you have mastered an efficient legged mobility for decades ?

I compare with Orochi with a good reason : if there's a ledge or something you must climb and that it irregular, at least an Orochi can try and use its legs to get a good stance on the obstacle.
Now ask that to a Lynx

[opaque elk]

or... you know... tanks

if we can make giant mechs with impenetrable shields and teleportation why not just smack it on a toink

slap a reaper or somethin

and tanks would also be easier to produce, maintain, pilot(or even ai), deploy, and has a smaller profile

while dealing just as much damage if they shoot at legs

four tanks would probably be easier to manufacture than a behemoth or crisis

[devout current]

put 6 skyros under a gun platform and boom tank

[snow crypt]

now you guys are just being ambitious

[stuck imp]

Recycle the legs of 6 Orochis, boom you get a nice articulated tracked unit Slap 6 Trebuchets on top and there you go, ready to pulverise whatever you want

[devout current]

a caterpillar bot would be interesting but weird to code

[stuck imp]

The game designer would probably come up with something broken interesting, but then they would see the programmers sweating intensively 😂

Seeing how Nether lags every time it dashes, and the permanent instability with the connection, I don't think the game is even ready for that

[devout current]

also the hitbox of its special edition would actually be tangible and we can't have that

[stuck imp]

[jade hare]

It would be easier to manufacture but at what cost? Tanks are smaller than the robots so they are killed easily. A robot can just step on it or shoot it and it dies

[stuck imp]

Tanks have multiple kilometers of range actually, and modern weapons are designed to destroy vehicles. Like, what would a robot do against 20 tanks at 1500 meters

The limited range in WR is indeed a joke when you take that example

[jade hare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/692712703470338070/1068474486447411220/SPOILER_image.png

[stuck imp]

Also what about aircrafts ? Modern fighter jets carry some good weapons too, including missiles

[stuck imp]

Top one actually looks decent, a little bit overpowered on current standards given it has a monstrous BiW with the 4 Heavies, but heh WR is what it is nowadays

[jade hare]

I think there's a reason why people in the future chose to make giant robots instead of tanks and aircrafts

[jade hare]

I think they were Crisis prototypes

[stuck imp]

Crisis as a little friendly spider would have been cute

[jade hare]

I like the giant 2 legged walked too

[white sandal]

Because tanks have a ton of downsides, they aren't that fast nor have much pew pew and would suck in low g or high g

[white sandal]

You also fought the fear factor, a 11m od meter tall mech has a lot more to be scared of then a tank

[devout current]

would anti tank guns work on robots though

[stuck imp]

Anti tank portable guns are barely efficient against regular tanks, and see how inefficient the Nashorn is....... Despite having the old denomination of Kwk448mm, that's bigger than most naval guns and it barely tickles the paint of most modern robots. It's even a miracle that Punisher manages to be that powerful, those smaller bullets would just glance off the armour if that same armour can withstand a naval shot so easily

#physics

#PixonicLogic

[opaque elk]

so are robots 💀 a couple shots to one leg would cripple a bot

the only exception i could see would be titans

and at that point you could probably just make 1.5 drone carriers from ace combat

or.... if we're talking logic, you could just get a couple nukes

seeing some bots could survive one

but at that point you could just strap a shell core and drop them

10% shell for 99% more boom!

(note that shells core explosion is probably capped so it doesnt melt the pilot inside)

[jade hare]

This is War Robots not War Tanks 🤷‍♂️

[nova depot]

if a HEAT round was big enough could it penetrate the armour of a robot?

also could you shoot the arthur pilot cabin to take out the pilot? it doesn't look too well armoured

ardent behemoth too

[snow crypt]

in theory, yes. Only if the pilot didn’t have the two shields blocking the cabin, if your wondering how the pilot would see if the shields was blocking their view… is quite simple, they just use external optical sensors and other types of detection systems to navigate.

the ardent behemoth’s cabin isn’t where the lights are… it is in the center of the robot’s torso, protected by armor, defence systems and other components. It is not distinctive because there seems to be no indication of where the pilot cabin should be anywhere on the robot, the lights are not always telltale signs of this.

back to the first point, you have to remember that this is War Robots, a mobile game… not War Thunder or World of Tanks, where shot placement does matter. So, shooting a robot in the legs, joints, torso… whatever, doesn’t matter. And honestly, it would make the gameplay a lot more difficult when you have to worry about aiming in the Y-Axis, in addition to the X-Axis. And it’s not that simple for mobile devices, though PC is fair game.

[stuck imp]

Well there exists mobile games with Y-axis aiming as a counter-example of your point. And there is an aim assist as well, that can stick to individual parts of a robot just like WR:F does on PC. And they even managed to make a Stealth work with that, by simply preventing the lock of the automatic aim assist

But such an aiming system would require to rebuild the game from scratch at this point... Looking at how they fixed the target lock issue earlier They didn't fix it at all, they just reduced the angle so it is less likely to lock on undesired people... This makes me indeed doubtful about implementing anything innovative in the game

[devout current]

what if someone dug a really deep hole just big enough for one leg and a robot stepped into it

[jade hare]

Keep in my titans didn't even have pilots till 2143 when they made that new device. Before that a bunch of AI controlled the titans

[stuck imp]

No it was us, the Commanders, who piloted the Titans And we didn't need any weird device, only a smartphone with a bunch of buttons !

Now that I think of it, what is that weird crown for ? 🤔 They don't need it to pilot a robot, so why would a Titan differ from that ?

And if we talk about neural piloting, it remains a proprietary Icarus technology (refering to Tal Mokri back in the days), and it is unknown whether it is spread out or not in other Corporations.

Suddenly having such a tech deployed in Titans may leave gaps in our understanding of the piloting technologies that are actually used by pilots all across the board

[devout current]

maybe a titan requires more effort to pilot so they need something to reinforce their mental fortitude

[opal rover]

ngl i kinda wish there was a youtube channel or something similar talking about wr lore

[jade hare]

There is the WR channel. They have some lore videos. Even a playlist

[stuck imp]

Yeah but why would they need that technology in the first place ? And the AIs seem advanced enough to control a Titan, so why to even bother with some weird tech that we don't even know anything about ? And in the best case, put a pilot but heavily assisted with AIs, leaving only a control stick basically ; all functions made autonomous and reacting to simple inputs from the pilot

[devout current]

the ai in wr might not be able to interpret what the pilots want to do correctly

pilots have skills because computers can't calculate using battlefield experience and little factors in the fight

maybe that's why they can't fully rely on ai

[stuck imp]

So why they don't use only simple inputs like a joystick ? 🤔 I mean us players use that on a daily basis and the legs movement is fully automated, the weapons as well, the abilities are controlled by the touch of a button...

[devout current]

maybe it gives them more options while moving?

there's also a targeting system along with camera direction

[stuck imp]

You know, tanks and aircrafts nowadays don't need a neural control ; in larger vehicles there's a crew of multiple men to get all the functions done properly, all it needs is automation : AI is there to solve the problem of requiring a pilot, a gunner, a loader, a spotter and a radio operator

[devout current]

tanks aren't exactly very precise machines

im assuming the robots have more features and are way more complicated

[stuck imp]

Yet they do what War Robots do : move around to destroy things. Robots are just fancier and capable of walk and flight

They even have a turret like a tank, whereas nothing would force them to have one in the first place

[devout current]

the addition of flight and walking could complicate it a lot more

or maybe the device is just a early test since titan pilots are also new

[stuck imp]

Well, AIs ......... Going back to that : an AI dedicated to walk will be more efficient than a human brain trying to multitask between all the functions

[devout current]

but what happens when it shifts into flight

[stuck imp]

Literally, replace all the crewmen of a tank with AIs : get a "pilot" for the walk, perhaps another one for flight control as you suggest it ; a "gunner" to manage the aiming assistance and firing mechanisms ; a "loader" to get your ammo lines always full ; a "spotter" as a dedicated radar platform... And the human giving instructions and coordinating all those subordinate computers : he gives the inputs to walk, fire, fly, activate shields... and its AI assistants get all the rest done

[devout current]

then maybe that's how he's giving the instructions?

we don't really have a lot to go on

[stuck imp]

The problem with that weird crown is about the technology itself : if it uses neural control, that we aren't even sure of, then I am stuck four years ago with Tal Mokri, where we basically learn that Icarus Technologies (only ?) has the knowledge to implement a neural control to pilots... And that it was an experimental and elite technology Tal was in the process of becoming a "super soldier" for the colony, that isn't your average mercenary...

And so, after some in-game peregrinations, could this unique technology have spread to be used massively on Titans ? 🤔

[devout current]

maybe they pulled a yan di and borrowed the tech

ima go sleep now ill come back tmr

[stuck imp]

Good night !

[white sandal]

Because 1 pilot doing everything for a titan would masive brain drain. Basically why pacific rim has 2 mind linked pilots

[nova depot]

so instead of using 2 pilots they use 1 pilot with the help of AI

[stuck imp]

So why do they even do neural control ? And also, it's not Pacific Rim where they map the machine's movements on the pilot's ones ; here at most the human serves like the processor of a computer, only giving orders. The brain has no workload, the AIs do all the side jobs

[white sandal]

But getting all those different ai to work together would be like herding cats

And there are a lot of ai sub systems I could think of that are challenging to get playing nice like gyro V fire control

[stuck imp]

Well it shouldn't be a brain's work to coordinate the gyroscopes with fire control systems...

[devout current]

maybe the ai only has preprogrammed movements that don't fit what the pilot wants

[nova depot]

pilot probably has better problem solving skills and intelligence then the ai

[stuck imp]

This is why we still have human pilots. But the human pilot should not have to coordinate everything, like handling the walk and fire alone would be already difficult enough given it's not your own body... So imagine taking in account gyroscopic stabilisation, flight control, guns control, repair systems, radar detection... The pilot takes all the decisions, but the AI automate the tasks. And we can even imagine that the pilot could override certain directives when something doesn't go as planned

[snow crypt]

y’all ever wonder if a pilot can lose their robot when they gamble at a casino?

[jade hare]

New pilot be like 🤡

They can do everything with their robots

[stuck imp]

I mean you could put your car in play I guess So as long as your robot is actually yours (not from a contract like Ash Skarsgard ?) you can do whatever you want with it

[snow crypt]

i feel like Gintare would own more than just a robot, she’s giving off those Yan-Di upper class vibes.

[jade hare]

Oh yeah. She definitely has atleast one bot from every kind

And I bet she probably not even using them just sitting at the casino and winning more and more bots

[snow crypt]

she’ll give anna some competition then.

[white sandal]

But in order for those ai to be able to handle titan they would have to be pretty powerful so controlling them would be challenging

Like a horse drawn carriage with the ai being the horses

[stuck imp]

Again you're not controlling the AIs, you're giving them instructions according to what you need right now. If you need to walk you give the input about how fast and in which direction you walk, the AIs do the rest to move the whole thing accordingly

I see the AIs more as sentient subordinates rather than as horses in a carriage : they have a lot of freedom to execute their task, they are given instructions, so their only reason to be is executing the orders given by the pilot.

Oh you know what : maybe we are both right

Multiple "Titan AI" architectures could coexist in the WR universe depending on the manufacturer and the technology it uses

[white sandal]

Makes sense

[snow crypt]

@stuck imp what’s your lore explanation for the FFA Tokens?

[stuck imp]

Bringing back dead robots from the graveyard sounds like witchcraft, but I'll try to come up with something

[jade hare]

They have multiple of the same robot builds but you need to pay for them to use them

[jade hare]

The nerfs in the lore is real!

You know we talked about nerfs and buffs in the lore. The corporations changed some things in the robot to make it cheaper so they can manufacture more or to fix some problems with the bots but this makes the bot weaker

Now in the new overview the Ultimate edition can be explained by this. For rich persons the old and untouched robots are available with a special skin too which shows how much that robot is worth

[jade hare]

Also, I like how big is Crisis

[devout current]

would rook be able to crush bots in one hit by flying at them

it looks pretty heavy

and it can just keep replacing shields and ram again and again

[jade hare]

In the lore it probably could but not in the game

[devout current]

skyros could crush a luch imagine what a giant flying shell could do

[abstract flare]

That sound fit the game’s meta cycle

[jade hare]

And we just got the answer in the overview...

I won't tell cuz you can watch it and hear the answer

Also as you know Roulette is a big casino in space and I think Gintare is the owner of it

[snow crypt]

I should have known. Also, do you think Gintare has people working for her? Since it is likely that she owns Roulette.

[jade hare]

I guess she has some

[nova depot]

how does the anti-gravity stuff work for the skyros' weapon platforms

and ao ming as well

[snow crypt]

in the case for skyros, the mounts are held in place by relatively strong magnets. While the weapons are simply teleported somewhere else, whenever the Skyros enters ball mode… there is no way you can fit a cudgel, mace and a hammer inside of a balled-up Skyros.

Ao ming uses external thrusters and stabilizers, though they don’t look like the typical ones you know. The stabilizers don’t use combustion for propulsion, and instead use a different type of engine… in this case, it is likely an anti-grav engine or something similar.

for any free floating parts on a robot, more notably the Seraph and Aether (remember that their wings aren’t attached to their torso). We can assume they are held in place by an internal magnetic field, which can be controlled (to some extent) to adjust the position of these parts.

[nova depot]

ah

[white sandal]

Basically pix copied fast in furious's love of magnets

[opal rover]

i always thought they were stuffed inside of the ball

[stuck imp]

I already have doubts about the Skyros itself fitting inside the ball shape, and the weapons clearly have a teleportation animation... So it suggests that the guns are somewhere else... Now with Rook's shields we can ask the same question

[abstract flare]

I thought it literally said that the shield is teleported

[opal rover]

yeah it did

[abstract flare]

I read translated descriptions of the titan so idk if there’s anything wrong

[stuck imp]

But teleported from where

[opal rover]

mothership i guess

[abstract flare]

The bot are teleported from the ship, maybe the shield do

[stuck imp]

That's a tricky manoeuver but that's our best bet... Teleporting a robot is possible, but teleporting shields onto a moving target is a whole other deal

The risk of noclip is real

[abstract flare]

It’s possible with WR technology. Demeter and Scorpion can teleport themselves to a moving target

[opal rover]

actually, why is skyros named skyros, i know it has the same name as an island in greece (note that theseus the hero apperantly died on Skyros)

[jade hare]

[stuck imp]

They are teleported to fixed coordinates defined by the target's position at the moment of teleportation, so I guess it counts. But they teleport 30m away from the target... With Rook's shields we're talking about assembling the structure while teleporting the parts on a moving frame The difficulty level is greatly higher, as any mistake in the coordinates can mess entirely the whole machine... Imagine one of the shields rips apart the armored chassis and breaks the reactor room... The error margin is much slimmer than Scorpion or Demeter, we have a centimeter-wide operation margin in the case of Rook

[opal rover]

in other words

this is a simply a case of new robots making no sense even in the parameters of the wr universe

[abstract flare]

We are clueless on how the teleportation work.

[jade hare]

Roleplaying battles go brrrr...

[opal rover]

apperantly stuff is like turned into energy then turned back into physical things

[stuck imp]

Well I guess clipping a shield into a steel chassis doesn't do much good for the robot...

[jade hare]

Meanwhile fusions:

[stuck imp]

That's our custom theory, and although it's our best iteration of the teleportation technology, we don't have any canon support for that theory

[jade hare]

Ask Ksiro

[abstract flare]

I think it might set teleport point in the titan’s surface. The teleportation occurs only around that point. It’t like the telepoint is no moving while only are background does.

The one like Phantom’s white light

[stuck imp]

Fusions are made in a controlled environment, or at least your module makes that a controlled environment... With the Rook shields it's rather about a true accident...

[abstract flare]

The example of how it works is like when we standing on the Earth, we are completely not moving. However, if we look from the space, we are traveling at insane speed around the sun

[stuck imp]

If we assume the shields come from the Mothership :

The aiming referential for the whole process is the Mothership own referential, as an orbiting platform around Earth. Aiming a straight trajectory to a fixed point on Earth surface sounds already difficult enough, taking in account the optical defects of onboard instruments and all the incertitude that appears. The precision of current systems are, if I remember correctly, around the scale of 30 centimeters : an satellite in orbit can see objects that are no smaller than 30 cm...

So now that you have your clear coordinates of your fixed surface point +- 30cm, you need to teleport new shields for the Rook Titan that is standing there... Its chassis is woobling left and right as it walks, and you need to take anchors on the numerous shield mounts all around the naked structure...
Problem : you can't already tell what's going on on the ground, and you need to grab those shield mounts with an extreme precision in order to deliver the shields at the right place.

Supposing the technology of WR allows for instruments 10 times better and capable of seeing with 3 cm margin : you still gotta calculate where the point is moving during the teleportation, as you have to integrate the current chassis movement into account : position, speed, acceleration. And with an error of 3cm on your position, you still need to teleport the shield at the exact right place, even considering an adaptable mechanism on the Rook's side to take in account on error... How can a 3cm error on position influence the calculations over time of an object moving at 30 km/h ?

And taking GPS coordinates : can they be so precise ? The regular GPS systems have an accuracy around 1 meter too

[abstract flare]

Weird theory: what if the shield isn’t teleported by the ship but by the titan itself. The ship doesn’t teleport them to titan but the titan teleport them to its location

[stuck imp]

Exact same problem : how the Titan can tell exactly where the part is inside the orbiting vessel ?

It's not a good time to teleport some of the ship's hull onto the battlefield

And you don't even get GPS in orbit I guess

So we have to problematics to illustrate the issue :

Case 1 : the Mothership teleports the shields. It's like someone throwing a ball to someone else : you need to know exactly where is the other person...

Case 2 : the Titan teleports the shields. This time the receiver wants to grab the ball from afar, but it first needs to know exactly where is the ball...

The Titan is moving on the ground, the Mothership is in orbit at I don't know how many km/h...

And there is thousands of kilometers between the two entities too

[opal rover]

if i were making rook and wasnt allowed to delete it i would have the extra shields already on rook

[abstract flare]

Weird and lazy solution: what if it’s not one way teleportation but 2 linked point. Like the teleporter in Abyss are 2 way road. You don’t need to get correct location because it’s linked

My ability to express in English is not so good so so hope you understand

[opal rover]

im not sure how that would work as both points are likely moving when the teleporation happens

[stuck imp]

It's a lazy option that starts as a good idea. The whole problem remains that the two portals are not stationary to each other : they are moving compared to each other, and the distance is terribly larger than the Abyss map

And since we have no idea of how teleportation is supposed to act like in that precise case, we're kinda screwed there

[abstract flare]

Ye

Probably Pix lazy to think about logic again

[opal rover]

couldnt they just have the extra shields be inside of rook

[jade hare]

Resizing exists

[abstract flare]

Where inside

It’s not that big

[opal rover]

then make the shields smaller

[abstract flare]

Although it’s kinda fat

[jade hare]

It's not that big
40 meter tall robot

[opal rover]

or more accuratle thinner

[abstract flare]

80 shield like that (if I assume they use 10 time) isn’t small

[opal rover]

theres no way we can fit the amount of punisher ammo we use in the hull

[abstract flare]

That’s why it’s Pixonic logic

[jade hare]

Resizing still exist

[opal rover]

where does resizing happen

[snow crypt]

whenever an object transcends to another plane of existence

there is no other real life possibility for an object to suddenly shrink and then return to its original size again, otherwise where does all that mass go?

[jade hare]

What if Rook keeps it's shields in an energy form inside it's hull? 🤔

@stuck imp

[abstract flare]

Do what Pym atom do in Ant Man: shrink the distance between atoms

[snow crypt]

the rook isn’t ant man

[abstract flare]

I means think in that way

Less space but mass stay the same. We literally have a nerfed version of black hole (Orion) which is atom too close to each other

Or at least if the name is right

They named it blackhole

[snow crypt]

the atoms in a solid material are already rubbing shoulders with each other on a molecular level, how are you supposed to decrease that distance while keeping the original shape intact?

[stuck imp]

Then how much energy would it need to embark ? For how many shields ? We already talked about the stupidly gigantic batteries you would need even to store the simple energy from 1 gram of matter.... I suspect there are tons worth of armour into those shields

[abstract flare]

My words are poor so it caused misunderstanding. I mean close the distance between eletron and proton of sth like that

[snow crypt]

you can’t just… do that.

[stuck imp]

Well you touch subatomic physics... And there is a reason why solid matter cannot be compressed without just ripping apart...

[abstract flare]

Hmm, seems like I dig too deep

[snow crypt]

get out and bury that hole you made

[stuck imp]

Well it's not your fault, you're actually trying to explain what happens

It's just that going after the crazy space magic involved in WR universe is just like searching diamonds in a trash can

[jade hare]

"Sometimes things can't be explained."
- ATOM

[snow crypt]

how about this?

the rook sends a signal back to the mothership for an additional set of shields to be teleported onto it. The mothership receives the signal and it does all the necessary calculations to teleport the shields onto the rook. I’d imagine that the mothership provides all the necessary energy and makes the necessary calculations for this to be possible in a short period of time - It tracks all the metrics of the rook at all times.

[jade hare]

Wasn't this was the first idea? 🤔

That the mothership teleports the shields onto Rook?

[snow crypt]

it seems to be the best one.

there is a whole lot more space on a mothership, than there is on rook.

so, the theory about what is actually required to make teleportation happen, works here only if its the mothership.

actually, both the rook and the skyros teleport their shields and weapons respectively onto the mothership and then back (in the case for skyros). I think.

[abstract flare]

There is still problems with accuracy from huge distance like what we have disused from here

[snow crypt]

the mothership could simply operate in atmosphere, mitigating that issue a bit.

the maximum range for any weapon in this game is 1100m, so the mothership could hover around 2000m and still be safe… and still do what it is supposed to do.

[stuck imp]

The maximum range is limited to 1100m because of dumb gameplay limitation.

Ballistic naval cannons nowadays (caliber > 400mm) have a practical range of 40km, this makes WR battlefields looks like a children playground...

So hovering your Mothership under the atmosphere exposes it to the least anti-air defense, should it even be from WW2 era... And even with Aegis shields everywhere, you don't want to uselessly expose the aircraft that serves as your home.

So orbit is a better choice because of two things : firstly it vastly limits the type of weapons capable of aiming directly at you ; secondly the few weapons that have the range and precision to strike you must travel for much longer time, which allows to prepare the countermeasures and interception systems

Of course missiles are much better anti-air solutions than ballistic weapons, for their guidance capabilities allow to track their target even if it moves rapidly.

Their range also allow them strike in space, see nowadays some countries launching missiles on satellites with success.

Unexpected detail that can be lore-accurate : there could be heavy versions of rockets specifically designed to take down Motherships. Disrupting energy shields can be done by an onboard jamming unit, with rockets much larger than what Robots can fire... So only remains the ballistic interception of the missile, which implies calculations and systems designed to react in time... If the missile is too fast it excludes right away a low-atmospheric flight

[jade hare]

What about the mercenary code?

Shooting down a mothership could kill a lot of people and that's against the mercenary code

[stuck imp]

Do Scavengers and Earthling respect the mercenary code ? And what about the "v1" Grey Robots, which are notoriously known to throw the Mercenary Code through te window ?

There seems to be more threats to a Mothership than there are things to protect it

And Earthling defenses could be much heavier than the weapons carried by robots, and giant missile batteries is not something that looks too far fetched : if they are against the Corporations, or if they jus fear for their life, having defenses is all natural

[stuck imp]

Bringing again the loading screen where we see a Frozen Scorn ripping apart a whole fleet of motherships........ So yeah there exists people who clearly don't care about sparing innocent lives

[jade hare]

Scavengers are not killing machines. They are helpers. Earthlings who btw don't exist according to Pix have their own place where motherships and robots don't go. Gray Robots break the mercenary codes but they don't have these types of heavy rocket weapons. They just roam the battlefield and shoot everything that moves. And Pirates break the mercenary codes too that's why they are wanted but they are in space and not on planets

[jade hare]

@frank radish

[stuck imp]

Why wouldn't they be on planets too ? There are spece pirates of course, but what proves there aren't "ground pirates" ?

And if they can steal afford Motherships, then having anti-morhership weapons sounds in the range of what's possible

[jade hare]

Why would there be ground pirates? They are just called thieves then. Space pirates are in space and their stationary places are on asteroids or on hidden planets

[stuck imp]

All that is for saying that ground is not a safe place for Mothership to roam around as a warzone... Should it be pirates, deviant mercenaries, private corporations fighting off their lawn, pissed Scavengers and Earthlings, you don't wanna get caught by a heavy DCA battery of any kind

And with the size of a Mothership, you can't miss that even with a crappy optical sight

[jade hare]

💀

[stuck imp]

Also where's Yan-Di ?

Either they forgot it, or it got 0% somehow

[jade hare]

Where Scavs? 🤡

[stuck imp]

There will be one vote : yours Outweighing all others because Scavs are family, and family it better than everything else

Also why everyone loves Evolife all of a sudden ? Spacetech could be understandable with how they dominated the meta recently with stylish robots... But what did Evolife do ? Is it just because they are the gentle biologists who care and heal people ?

The magic of surveys

[jade hare]

It was in 2022.09.18

[stuck imp]

One year ago bruh

Yeah didn't see that

What was there at the time ?

[opal rover]

what faction are u guys, i decided to go for icarus

[stuck imp]

Colleague !!!

[nova depot]

evolife

[jade hare]

[snow crypt]

Yan-Di, quite simply.

[abstract flare]

Spacetech
I wanna fly

[jade hare]

@lime kayak choose your faction

[stuck imp]

He's DSC 100%

[jade hare]

Yeah but he's not here yet

[snow crypt]

where's the grey swarm faction? I need to pick it.

[stuck imp]

[half cypress]

The sole reason for why I choose Evolife is that they made Blackout gang.

[stuck imp]

Icarus made the most janky things in history, only to get stolen by other Factions in the future

[half cypress]

Well, their full name is "Icarus Technology" after all, a pioneer indeed.

[stuck imp]

And according to the official lore, their only invention is Teleportation (and AI but we don't talk about that)... Whereas we already had theories to say that perhaps some other techs originated from Icarus labs before getting hijacked.

The Orochi pilot lore serves as a basis for my theory that Reflector was invented by Icarus, but stolen by Spacetech and retrofitted on Hawk... A theory that of course is entirely speculative, and isn't accepted by everyone. This is perfectly understandable

The fact that the Minos has a Reflector is also a solid basis to say that Icarus masters the Reflector enough to put it on a Titan-class machine...

Something apparently DSC managed, but only after developing two regular robots with Reflectors

[half cypress]

Interesting. My "Ghost" is only lvl20 so I haven't read the full story yet

[stuck imp]

The allusion is very faint, so this is why this theory is more supported by the Minos than the Ghost pilot itself : the combination of the two, the fact that Minos was released right after Hawk... It's how speculation is created I guess

[half cypress]

That's a very convincing speculation

[stuck imp]

Also if Spacetech invented Reflector, why don't they use it on more machines ? 🤔 The Reflector on Hawk is also very powerful, even more than the ones currently deployed on Minos and Luchador... And they switched to Forcefield now : the fact that they claim to invent one of the best defense systems, but they don't use it afterwards, that tells something

[half cypress]

Yeah

I think that maybe Icarus was inspired by Evolife when they made the Reflector. Leech's ability has the same basic effect (but worse, obviously) after all

And base on the official-ish explanation for Leech's Repulse, we can assume that Reflector work by using a much more powerful hacking system

[stuck imp]

Apparently they use two distinct techs : Leech acts by hacking into the system and reacting to damage inputs, sending erroneous signals to the enemy's self-repair systems. Whereas Reflector actually reflects something from the attacks, the theory given by Ksiro is about an array of micro-guns that both intercept attacks and counter-strike. Our own custom theory about that is an energy field that deflects incoming attacks in a much more coherent way than having micro-sized turrets

[half cypress]

Yeah. If the robots/titans that have Reflector have mirco-turrets then why don't they just use it for offence from the start, right?

[nova depot]

leech's ability blocks much more damage than standard reflectors

gives back less though

[stuck imp]

Exctracted from "Ghost" pilot lore :

First Paragraph

There's no direct evidence of the existence of these "Ghosts", but there's plenty circumstantial stuff. The mysterious disappearance of high-rank officials and gang leaders. Terrorist cells completely zeroed by unidentified killers. Secret military blueprints that never seem to get lost or compromised, but the enemy suddenly had ready-made prototypes of those designs. Masked men and Orochi robots keep being mentioned...

The "Ghost" story talks about men from DSC taking a drink talking about that... But if Ghosts can do that with DSC, they can do it with any other research lab right ? And they are (supposedly) the Spacetech secret police, so it would make sense to steal a working prototype if it's worth the incursion

[half cypress]

Talks about Pilots, what does Team B do now after the event in the audio story?

APP-M3TR is later lost in battle and was found 200 years later in Frontiers, but the other members' fates are still mistery

[jade hare]

Ghosts stole Hawk's blueprints and they made the Hawk before Icarus could. Icarus then got mad and made Minos, a titan to prove they are better. SpaceTech then made their own shield type because they couldn't make other robots with the stolen Hawk blueprint

[jade hare]

Only thing we know is they left Earth and their ship with some Typhon and Scorpion part inside of it was found in space by the pirates

[stuck imp]

[white sandal]

That seams way to detailed for it to be random

[jade hare]

Another "Ghost" is Brijit

[white sandal]

Really?

[jade hare]

Go to the wiki and read her story

[white sandal]

I don't trust the wiki after it gave me very wrong stats about shranga

[snow crypt]

at least we don’t make mistakes when it comes to lore.

[jade hare]

The lore section is monitored by me and Fox so it's safe. There are some gramatical errors in some of them that I know of but I don't have the time to fix them yet

[white sandal]

Sounds like it's improved since I last looked

[jade hare]

Some of the older pilot stories that were on the wiki before I became a wiki staff member have mistakes in them for some reason. On summer I will go through all of them 1 by 1 and correct them

[stuck imp]

The lore section is better monitored than the stats section Truly what we expect from a wiki

Big up to the chads of the lore section then

[jade hare]

You know I'm goind for the perfect. And the lore doesn't change, the stats do

[nova depot]

what's Markus' pilot lore?

it's not in the wiki yet

[opal rover]

try finding some videos on youtube where youtubers put markus on angler, they might show a bit of the lore intentinally or unintentionally

[nova depot]

ok

[opal rover]

you might have to pause very quickly

especially if they unintentionally show the lore

[snow crypt]

new lore page for this event, better late than never, I guess.

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Event_Lore:_2023_Anniversary

[stuck imp]

[white sandal]

That one was kinda lack luster

[stuck imp]

I was thinking the same... Noa Minax is really underwhelming for the villain he is depicted as in the story

[white sandal]

Noa minax is underwhelming in game and in lore

[snow crypt]

i think we can all agree that noa minax is just there to be a villain, that can be killed off without any issue in the future.

[jade hare]

Noa is a villain? 🤔

[snow crypt]

he’s been setup that way

[jade hare]

Me who don't follow the newer lore 🤡

[stuck imp]

Noa Minax : wooooo I will set an orbital strike on an anniversary party

Meanwhile it's his only line of the whole event

[lime kayak]

okay so I chose DSC

@jade hare @stuck imp

[opal rover]

why did he even do that

hold on what is his lore even

[stuck imp]

The conflict between Icarus and DSC is not over yet 😏

[jade hare]

These new pilots with their lores are just something different. They don't even have good stories, just some random texts

[opal rover]

if only i could actually see/read the stories

[jade hare]

I didn't read them yet either but they are not on a Kyle Roger or a Thomas Mindread level

They are more like an Eddio Noll or a Rose Lin

[stuck imp]

Wanna know what blacklisted word but okay

Automatic deletion

Anyways, Tobias Mwangi is my personal favorite for his somewhat unique path in the mercenary life

[lime kayak]

Bring it on, nub

[jade hare]

I don't see it that interesting and unique 🤔

A rich but sad guy wanted happiness so he became a mercenary but nobody became his friend so he began to write his battle stories down which later went viral

[opal rover]

then what is the best new pilot in terms on lore/backstory

[jade hare]

I like the ones that connect to someone else

Like Ariadne connects to Thomas, Boris to Lilian, Victoria and Marie to Iskra

[white sandal]

Nessa was pretty good

[jade hare]

Yeah, she connects to 3V3R3TT and some other pilots

[white sandal]

And pve

[stuck imp]

I am really curious about the blacklisted word I used for the second time, Turtle Bot

Not gonna lie I kinda want to test all words that I put in that message, but it will got me banned for sure

[jade hare]

Just try to use other words I guess 🤔

[stuck imp]

But I don't even know which one is problematic

If I knew what word was wrong I could avoid using it

I didn't know that talking about Tobias Mwangi was prohibited on this server

[jade hare]

Maybe try some words in #🎲│off-topic that you think could be bad. Or ask Alex, maybe she knows which word is it 🤔

[stuck imp]

This is the problem with automatic moderation based on "blacklisted" words : if you don't know the list it's more annoying than anything else

[jade hare]

I think it should say which word is blacklisted in your message so you can avoid writing it down again

[snow crypt]

@stuck imp what’s your opinion on flying snake robots?

[jade hare]

I guess it's time to try out the ts 🤡

[stuck imp]

Wut is this sorcery This will be a real thing ?

Oh yes and of course : anti-Titan weapons again

What's even the point of running Titans nowadays if robots can do the job just as good ?

[snow crypt]

that's a good question.

But, not everyone soul that play wr has these titan-counters. So, there is still reason to run titans. You're hearing this from someone who's running reaper crisis (that counters everything in the game). so idk if i'm being truthful or not.

[jade hare]

Crisis can live longer than Rook. Change my mind

[stuck imp]

When Titans begin to spawn my best option of my hangar are literally my two trusty Tempests Talking of anti-Titan options I'm just poor. Hopefully I have two Cannibal reactors on my Minos to compensate

[stuck imp]

But now that pilots are coming this will maybe change : now that you're able to double the HP or gain ludicrous bonuses outside of Modules, this was what missing on Titans. This is a serious move by Pixonic as it gives a new reason to run Titans

Also do we talk about how all new robots need to fly or go fast ? Like what's the point of flying for a snake ?!

This is Flying War Robots at this point

[snow crypt]

at this point, I’m starting to think that the five factions are just trying to be innovative, with whatever is brought up at their conference meetings and making it stick.

We’ve never seen a flying snake robot before and I don’t see thrusters on the snake bot, so I suppose it’s either Spacetech or Icarus making use of anti grav tech and taking it up a notch or two.

[stuck imp]

But it's not even an innovative snake robot : it still has a turret and all that makes robots what they are. Just like the Demeter or Khepri, they just replaced the legs with a weird contraption resembling a snaketail. This is not a true innovation at all

[snow crypt]

they’re just trying different ways of locomotion, besides normal legs.

[stuck imp]

I would be hyped for a snake robot that is a actual snake : a real segmented hull with the weapons sticked to the first segment. It would have a tricky manoeuvrability of course, and would have a hard time making sharp turns, but this would be a real innovation

[jade hare]

My favourite thing are still wheels 🤡

[snow crypt]

but honestly, I don’t see the benefits of using a snake like body for a robot, when it comes to locomotion.

[abstract flare]

For edgy look

[stuck imp]

In a non-combat context this could make a good carrier, with the hull using anti-grav as you suggested it would have a very sleek design for a lot of carrying capacity. You could also increase the length according to your own purpose, each segment not adding much complexity to the whole machine

[snow crypt]

consider its durability tho.

[jade hare]

The snek

[snow crypt]

that thing looks like it’ll just break if it sits in that pose for too long, and a Tsar rocket looks like it can destroy it in a mere hit.

[stuck imp]

This is why it's not a good design : it has no purpose having that tail, you could just put Khepri antigrav unit and you're good to go

[jade hare]

Also, why does Icarus has only 1 titan?

[snow crypt]

i don’t care what you tell me, but that design is barely functional.

[stuck imp]

Because their blueprints keep being stolen

Honestly this is a weird situation indeed. I hope that next Titan will be Icarus, but at the same time I fear they make it OP so I don't like it

[stuck imp]

#PixonicLogic

[snow crypt]

look on the bright side tho, Icarus made the crisis. So maybe they’re just focusing on regular robots.

[jade hare]

Theory:
What if the segmented body isn't holding the turret but the turret has anti gravity things that hold it up and the segmented body is just there to make it look like a snake.
So basically it's just pulling it's body on the ground

[snow crypt]

that makes no sense

[jade hare]

#Pixlogic

[snow crypt]

so then why have the tail?

[jade hare]

🤷‍♂️

[stuck imp]

This theory is totally plausible and makes the robot look like the dumbest waste ever imagine If the turret can self-propel it doesn't need a tail rattling on the ground

[snow crypt]

exactly

[jade hare]

That tail still can't hold that turret

[stuck imp]

So either the tail serves for propulsion and it's the most fragile thing we've ever seen ; or it serves no purpose and is a waste. I fear there is no in-between

[snow crypt]

now, if the snake could burrow. Then im game. There would be a reason for it to have the tail act as a drill.

But the snake bot doesn’t burrow, it flies.

[stuck imp]

Which means the robot has built-in thrusters anyways

[snow crypt]

or, the tail acts as a stabilizer in the air.

[stuck imp]

We are seeing flying robots for more than four years (five ?) and none of them seem to use an advanced stabiliser like this tail would be. The Ao Jun reached the 100 km/h in flight way before the Hawk or the Seraph, and they don't have a stabiliser. Only their thrusters everywhere at the right place.

By the way such tail-less architecture is known to be hard to pilot without a computer assistance, which hopefully is fulfilled by the numerous AIs onboard

[jade hare]

Then my theory can come into place again

[snow crypt]

so, the tail is not needed for air stabilization.

But what about when it’s on the ground?

it probably slithers, but something else has to be holding up its upper body.

[stuck imp]

Again, if this tail serves for structural holding, then a Tsar rocket just blows it apart. And if this is an anti-grav unit then the tail serves no purpose apart from being fancy

[snow crypt]

so, it’s probably down to servos, plating and gears being overly innovated for this tail to work.

[stuck imp]

This is the last resort for this tail to function as a turret-holding platform

[snow crypt]

a moving turret holding platform

[stuck imp]

Yes This sounds like overengineering to me

[snow crypt]

this snek is over engineered

and they went the extra mile to make it fly

[stuck imp]

When you think about it, the old robots didn't have such a level of over-engineering Their shapes were much simpler, with a few moving parts for the most part, and sturdy designs overall. And now we're in a world where people have to praise the little bits that move everywhere, and the complex shapes that serve no purpose

[snow crypt]

I think they’re trying to balance aesthetics with practicality.

it doesn’t matter for us, but in lore, if a robot looks powerful and attractive, the sales will go up… quite simply.

[stuck imp]

Old robots are like old cars that work every time, while the modern machines are like supercars and fancy stuff That's a theory that works, but that brings the fact that a supercar cannot off-road like a crappy Land Rover

[snow crypt]

I don’t see such limitations with these new robots.

[stuck imp]

So rich mercs can afford the fancy stuff but it certainly costs a lot more to maintain and repair ; while "poor" mercs would go on the older robots because they became cheap as dirt (thinking of the spare parts too, old machines were produced in large numbers and their tech is less advanced)

[snow crypt]

something like that.

[stuck imp]

This is perhaps the best window to look at this problem

[snow crypt]

so it comes down to affordability and cost effectiveness.

[stuck imp]

The fancy robots have more chances to sell to rich consumers as you said, hence why they are always more and more complex in their shapes and functions. But when the bill comes you don't wanna be there to pay I guess This is something absent from the game, they removed the Ag penalty you had after each battle to repair the robots ; and this is maybe a good thing to have removed that, but it kinda removes a part of the business

[snow crypt]

no player wants to deal with business, they just want to play the game.

[stuck imp]

Playing WR feels like a business to be honest now I see the point though

[snow crypt]

with the amount of resources you can have and the many things you can spend them on, yeah.

[jade hare]

And then there are scavengers who just find scrap on the ground and make a robot out of it

[stuck imp]

And actually, if your expensive robot would cost you half your silver pay, you would certainly play more carefully The whole game economy would change because of such a penalty, even the way the players actually play the game

[snow crypt]

then you have the grey swarm doing the same thing as the scavs are.

[stuck imp]

Industrial Scavs

[snow crypt]

what if like, the scavengers become their own corporation?

with roberto being the CEO of it

[stuck imp]

Scavengers Incorporated

[snow crypt]

sounds like a cleaning company

but for war robots

[stuck imp]

You gotta make that Stellar skin shiny every day

[snow crypt]

that spacetech’s job, unless they are doing retail

[jade hare]

Scavs are a faction already. And the other 5 are corporations

[snow crypt]

so then what are the grey swarm? Just a hive mind?

[stuck imp]

They seem to be piloted by one individual, or at least a group of individuals. So rather some kind of army at the service of some faction, with unknown intents 🤔

[jade hare]

Grey swarm is not related to scavs. There's 1 person behind it and they are serve that person

[snow crypt]

they’re independent though, it seems.

[stuck imp]

"Piloted" is a broad term here. Each robot seems to be semi-independent depending on its class, the Tick may be a complete slave to certain protocols while the "elite" enemies could have more autonomous procedures

[snow crypt]

i mean like the whole, ‘swarm’ is independent from other factions.

[jade hare]

Yeah

[stuck imp]

Of course

[snow crypt]

but, who’s this one person? Do they work for someone or for themselves?

[jade hare]

Think of it like a new enemy in the WR universe and there's 1 villain behind all of it

[stuck imp]

Oh yeah when I said "some faction", I was implying a "7th" faction outside of the 5 Corps and the Scavs

[snow crypt]

yeah ok

[jade hare]

Good question

[stuck imp]

Are they even hostile to other people to the point of attacking them ? We know the Scavs had trouble with the Swarm, but who knows what the Scavs did in there beforehand ?

[snow crypt]

resource grind

we know that the grey swarm go out of their way to collect scraps and robot chassis to be melted down into the six different spider bots that we know.

[stuck imp]

We know for a fact that the Swarm will defend against intruders (see the Nessa video), so if the Scavs took resources on the Swarm's territory it justifies a retaliation There was question about a factory of spiders in the Scav story if I remember correctly

[snow crypt]

they did mention the spiders residing underground.

[white sandal]

2mil hp isn't bot levels of good

[jade hare]

The Swarm is the natural enemy of the Scavs

[white sandal]

My shranga with basilisk loves titans, big slow moving hit boxes make for nice damage pools

[jade hare]

[snow crypt]

see what I mean?

[white sandal]

3 mediums?

[snow crypt]

make a clip of how it moves, i need to see if it’s tail slithers around or not.

[jade hare]

Yes

[stuck imp]

So does it fly, or slithers on it ?

[snow crypt]

oh my god, free last stand

[stuck imp]

Bruuuuh the free last stand

Guess whatn one more free module on the robot

[snow crypt]

people will be using this drone and running all three amplifiers now

[stuck imp]

You couldn't put the 3 Amplifiers plus a Last Stand, problem solved

#PixonicLogic

[snow crypt]

now that’s real innovation right there

not… whatever this snake garbage is.

[stuck imp]

I mean yeah the Drones are becoming more than just "moar damage and moar defense". Now they become a true part of the robot

[snow crypt]

the tail… floats?

[jade hare]

It seems like

[stuck imp]

I'll look at that in a minute, going fetch my laundry

[white sandal]

It looks so weird in flight

But on the ground it's pretty cool

[snow crypt]

it’s tail just… jiggles around when it flies.

[jade hare]

My theory is correct I think

The tail is just there to be fancy

And the whole bot floats

[snow crypt]

yep

[jade hare]

[snow crypt]

five yang lees?

who’s gonna need five yang lees?

[white sandal]

For when we have 3 titans and 10 bots lol

Bigger hanger for Bigger game modes

[snow crypt]

yeah okay, but what are the other two yangs doing then?

collecting dust?

[white sandal]

No they sit on your titans in your spare hanger

Keeping the seats warm

[snow crypt]

is amused

[stuck imp]

Stupid idea floating in my head : we might see "Scavenger Ophion" without a tail and it would work just as great

Actually a floating turret like a giant Drone would make for an interesting design too

Like no leg piece at all

[jade hare]

For 5 titans in 5 separate hangars

New weapons

Ultimate Eldritch Ares with 4 Ultimate Pulsars

This is like someone made a SE Ares but he doesn't know Ares' features

[snow crypt]

ultimate eldritch ares?

[jade hare]

Ultimate Ares but if you take a closer look it's the Eldritch Ares model

[snow crypt]

this also means that ultimate orkan ares may be good.

[jade hare]

Yeah

Maybe they will only make ultimate medium weapons? 🤔

[snow crypt]

they probably got lazy at some point. Maybe making two ultimate edition weapons, one for medium and one for light, is too much for them.

[jade hare]

But making 3 new weapons and a new drone and a new robot is not too much? 💀

[snow crypt]

they probably have one or two people doing this

[jade hare]

Stat differences

[snow crypt]

600m?

and it can’t lose any of its weapons

it’ll still get clapped by my reaper crisis though

[stuck imp]

Wait what the Ultimate Ares switches to 4 Med 😳

[white sandal]

Everything will

Hmm

[jade hare]

When your Sonic Rook can withstand 3 separate 1v1s with other Rooks and a 1v2 against Ophion and Lynx.

1. Lance and Glave
2. Sonics
3. Freeze Rockets

[stuck imp]

Perfectly balanced, yet you lose 1v1s with Sirius

[jade hare]

Also, the ts is in chaos now. Absorber shields everywhere you look. On the ground and in the sky too

Again. 1 Sonic Rook + later a little help from a Cyclone Minos vs a 1v2 with a Maha Vajra Sharanga + a Lance + Glaive Aether and then a 1v2 against a Sonic + Vajra Rook and Freeze Rockets Rook

Freeze Rockets are just not good. The guy came in with full hp while I was at 50% and he got killed while I managed to survive with only 1 Alpha weapon left and healed back to 50% hp

Also, this Ophion has a wobbly idle animation

[nova depot]

ts is now less for testing and more for the people who don't have good stuff to run meta builds

[jade hare]

Actually this was almost always the case but there are a lot of absorbers now because of the ultimate ares and the ophion

[nova depot]

yeah

[stuck imp]

Didn't even realise but of course it has an Absorber

[opal rover]

wait what

also why is it yet another flying anti-titan robot like atleast dont make it fly

we now have 4 flying anti-titan robots

[opal rover]

icarus accept my unholy fusion of phantom and ares already

[stuck imp]

Because you know flying is pretty dope, it makes the game unnecessarily laggy and makes everyone rage when they can't hit you. All benefits you see ?

[opal rover]

also the snake robot looks so goofy while flying

it reminds me of those cactus guys from just shapes and beats

[opal rover]

imagine in like the ability ophion would split in two, the lower half becoming a stationarry turret u can teleport back to that attacks enemies and the upper half being a flying menace that you control

[jade hare]

This reminds me of one of my creations. A spider robots that leave it's legs behind as a teleportation point while it's torso can fly and it can teleport back to it. There's no turrets or something like that. Only flying and teleportation 🤔

[opal rover]

reminds me of harpy and siren

also why is the snake robot a snake

[jade hare]

🤷‍♂️

[jade hare]

It's different tho. Imagine a Fujin but in the ability it splits in half, it's torso lifts itself up a few meters, just enough to not get caught into it's legs and it hovers around on the battlefield and on the second ability use it teleports back to it's legs. It's kinda like Phantom but on 4 legs and can turn itself into a giant drone like Lézard said

[opal rover]

is it me or are new wr robots just really not unique

like imugi was probably the last somewhat creative robot in my opinion the rest are just 2.0s of past robots or the millionth flying anti-titan robot

[jade hare]

They making fusions. Not how I imagined them but they are making them...

Nether: Strider + Seraph + EMP

Angler: Shell + Ravana + Blind effect

Lynx: Orochi + Seraph + Executioner module

Crisis: Loki + Behemoth

Etc...

[opal rover]

nether and angler somehow dont strike to me as "literally just 2.0 versions of past robots"

[jade hare]

It's multiple things at the same time, that's why

[opal rover]

lynx and crisis however

[opal rover]

i feel they actually have enough unique stuff going on to seperate them from past robots

nether i'm fine with it being a better strider as strider is a t3 bot

[jade hare]

Nether: 5 dash from Strider + forcefield from Seraph + EMP from Erebus

Angler: AOE and shield from Shell + Phase Shift and speed from Ravana + Blinding effect from Lanter and Dazzler

Lynx: Orochi 2.0 + frocefield from Seraph + execution from the module

Crisis: 4 heavy weapons from Behemoth + stealth from Loki + shieldbreaker and damage from modules and stuff

[opal rover]

and ophion, i'm just tired of all the anti-titan flying robots

[opal rover]

nether and lynx with the forcefield stuff in my opinion is like saying luchador is a fusion of invader and hawk

[jade hare]

Exactly

[opal rover]

wait so u think luchador is an invader and hawk hybrid

[jade hare]

Not really. There are some more things in it

But my point is that nothing is new nowadays

[opal rover]

how is the emp from erebus like honestly its more comparable to typhob

[jade hare]

Then Typhon

[opal rover]

i think another reason i don't like lynx and crisis but fine with nether and angler is that they don't outshine or atleast are salvagable without too much change like nether can coexist with seraph and typhon without outshining them

[jade hare]

You know what was new?
Phantom, Leech, Bulwark, Falcon, Ravana, The Dash pack, The Wild Bunch.
They were all unique when they were released. They were the real new things. Nowadays they just trying to combine the already existing things together so they can call something new and unique

[opal rover]

tbh i feel the idea of these fusion bots can coexist they just need to be not 2.0 versions of their sources

[jade hare]

Lynx with 3 Medium weapons and a different body shape would make him more unique and not just an Orochi 2.0

[opal rover]

yeah i also feel design isnt being talked enough here

[jade hare]

Design is the main thing that can separate 2 robots

And weapon slots

[opal rover]

i think it would have been cool if lynx was a fast quadruped bot instead of not orochi

[jade hare]

Now you bring up other games too

[opal rover]

wait i meant orochi

[jade hare]

We need more spiders imo 🤔

[opal rover]

the design needs to be 1 functional and 2. have a reason to exist like i know i've said it before but why is ophion a snake like it being a snake changes nothing and if anything just makes it look really off when it uses the ability

[jade hare]

Same with Rook's flying 🙄

[opal rover]

for a uniqe design making sense for why its unique seraph i feel is a good example as its arms are BIWs (built-in-weapons)

[jade hare]

Better lynx idea:
Make it into a spider with wheels on each leg so it wouldn't look like it wants to fall over.

Better Ophion idea:
Make it into an assasin instead of a titan killer. It could go underground so it's tail can be useful as a drill

[opal rover]

proceeds to underground on an aircraft carrier

[opal rover]

you mean legal hacking

[opal rover]

also lynx sounds like it would become a tank

[stuck imp]

I think we are facing another problem : the game reaches a point where it cannot handle much more. There are so much going on, the effects list on a player's screen can't even keep up with all the stacked bonuses and maluses This tells something about how far the game has gone while not changing the slightest on its core structure. The game was remastered in 2020, when we didn't even have EMP in the game, the only effects were Suppression, Lockdown and DoT... And since the Remaster it was left basically untouched, as if the developers were telling themselves that everything is fine.

So it would be certainly healthy and refreshing to have a hard change to this core structure : the way all those buffs are handled and displayed, a well-needed server/software optimisation, overall try to reduce all the things that are happening (why particle effects everywhere ?)

When I record my screen and upload the video in my editing software, the file has to be re-encoded in 14fps because it doesn't even look stable enough with the raw data The spawning animation may have been made fancy, but the game is still stuttering heavily when spawning robots... Those are years-old issue that should already be fixed for a long time, but they still show up even now in 2023

And after all this cleaning is done, maybe it will open doors the devs aren't even seeing now... Just like Teleportation was a massive breakthrough in gameplay, maybe it was also in programming... And this could potentially mean seeing new things outside of what we already know

[opal rover]

yeah in like a year the game is gonna be a decade old

[white sandal]

The new snake bot should have been the model for lynx

[white sandal]

It's getting obvious how the game itself simply can't keep up with what's happening and the devs have got to fix it or the franchise will flop

[stuck imp]

#PixonicLogic

Fixing the game : does not provide a lot of income, takes up a lot of time and resources, might just crash everything if a solution isn't found.

Releasing new OP stuff : sells great, makes the game even more laggy but who cares at this point.

[nova depot]

they only care about money

nothing else

and they don't like to do things that make them work

[stuck imp]

The best example of that is when they "fixed" the targeting system. This was simple genius

There were complaints about the "rolling lock-on" system, that would target an enemy completely at the side of your screen despite your target being up front. This was indeed annoying when you were facing the whole enemy team but wanted to focus one single guy.

Instead of reworking the way the system works, for example by prioritizing by range or by redesigning the whole system, they went on the simplest and laziest. You complain your reticle goes all the way to the side ? Well we reduced the targeting angle The issue is still there if you have three people stacked in front of you at three different ranges

[opal rover]

doesn't ao jun still have a bug relating to its biw