Wr Lore

[stuck imp]

Which would mean that the technology that was originally designed to fit inside a whole robot would have been put into a much smaller weapon system

[snow crypt]

a more compact and less maintenance-intensive variant may be designed for this purpose.

[stuck imp]

But starting with the hypothesis of Drones reverting their technology back in time, this create a hole in the lore : do we see that as a Blackout and we must not consider that part of the lore as valid ; or do we consider this change as part of the lore, which doesn't make much sense seeing what marvels we lost 🤔

[snow crypt]

probably part of the lore, the suppression systems used in Blackout, Invader and drone microchips seem to be different variants of the same technology... with some being better than the others or perhaps optimized in a certain way, and maybe didn't receive as many quality upgrades...

if anything, what we are seeing is different stages of development of this tech, that while it is not complete, it is already being utilized right from conception... and perhaps, the corporations are just too lazy to go back and change older systems that are used on the Invader...

[stuck imp]

Invader reaching possibly 100% Suppression compared to Cerberus only inflicting 50% indeed shows that the technology isn't used the same ; and Invader launches that in a wave around it instead of a projectile. And actually the electronic jamming could be the best solution to describe the 100% Suppression, if only the players couldn't fire their weapons at all. Invader let them waste their ammo dealing 0 damage

[snow crypt]

there may be different underlying components that are used between each robot and weapon...

[devout current]

what about rayker and erebus

could it be concentrated

[stuck imp]

Erebus using missiles where all other representatives of the technology use energy weaponry

[snow crypt]

the missiles could be utilizing a payload that has this technology.

[devout current]

kinda looks like viper projectiles

[white sandal]

I think suppression is like a atomic emp, it destabilizes the atoms so while they still work they aren't nearly as good. Batterys for energy weapons would get scrambled and lose charge, the explosive compound in rockets would be partially separated therfore not exploding as well, kinetic rounds wouldn't hit so hard as they wouldn't be so hard and well formed.

And since it's a emp blast it would be easy to add it to a missile of some kind to transport it to the target

[little lake]

whats the lore behind robot deployment?

like you only really see it on that steam banner thing

[devout current]

fall damage doesn't exist

[jade hare]

You have your robots on your Mothership and then the mothership teleports your robot down to the battlefield. When your robot dies, the pilot ejects and lands somewhere else safely. A new robot will be teleported to the battlefield and the old one will be teleported back to the mothership after some time (not instantly). The pilots who were on the field will be rescued after the battle or during the battle

[snow crypt]

i think an airdrop would make more sense here, instead of teleportation.

[stuck imp]

Actually we don't know, as Pixonic is too lazy to upgrade the 7-years-old falling animation And since the Mothership is in orbit, that's one of a fall if you airdrop from there. I know fall damage doesn't exist so it's technically possible, but in real life that would mean machines capable of resisting atmospheric re-entry

[white sandal]

Combat air drop sounds cool and makes sense

[stuck imp]

I'm thinking of an intermediate airdrop where the Mothership first teleports the robot into the atmosphere, resulting in an airdrop but avoiding most of the reentry problems

[abstract flare]

If the mothership is far from the planet enough that it can orbit instead of falling instantly, then robot would be orbiting like the mothership too. So I support it is teleported.

[devout current]

what if robots actually have higher hp potential but they lose it when their legs shatter on the ground and they have to repair it

[jade hare]

In WR:F the robots are "built" by drones when you spawn a robot down. So there's no airdrop in the game. Teleportation seems much better because it doesn't come with damaged bots on deployment and things like that

[abstract flare]

Then each time we deloy a robot, the whole map take damage. A Seraph weight 120 ton which make of hard material that can tank the hit fall from at least 300km above would cause a disaster.

[devout current]

oh right i forgot they're heavy

i just assumed they're made of some light alloy to make them more mobile

[opal rover]

how do we know seraph's weight?

[abstract flare]

They show it in Seraph’s overview video

[stuck imp]

Although it is overly under-estimated for a machine of this size. The only plausible explanation is the use of unreal materials

A fun calculation we did some time ago would make extensive use of polystyrene foam to occupy the whole volume, and everything is coated in a ridiculously thin plating

[abstract flare]

Or anomalous space

I have read some si-fi that have a giant mech with many part of it stay in another dimension and our dimension at the same time so that it can fit more machine in small area. Maybe it’s how it work in the game

[stuck imp]

This is the conclusion of our silly reasoning, and using one of the most advanced materials available : graphene. Still a 25mm plating will not stop anything, even a potato could breach through with enough force (and enough willpower certainly). And we're not even counting engines, weapons, or anything outside of the chassis...

And your theory about multi-dimensional machinery is beyond my brain's understanding. Like how does it solve the mass problem ?

[abstract flare]

In that sifi, it actually used to make the mech lighter so I would change it a bit.
In my theory, they may use sth to create more space inside the robot to place more machine. It’s like you can calculate outside the box that it is 1m3 but inside can be a whole 1km3 space.

[stuck imp]

But then your 1m3 of volume has the mass of 1km3 of matter 🤔

[abstract flare]

Ton is used to calculate how much material are there so the 1m3 doesn’t need to weight 1km3 matter. It’s just total weight of all machine from inside the dimension and outside the dimension

[stuck imp]

🤔

So if you fit 150 tons inside 1m3, this m3 of volume will contain 150 tons of mass

I'm trying to understand where this is going

[abstract flare]

For example, we put 100kg inside that box. The box may only weight 10kg from outside but the total mass is still 100 kg since there’s 100 kg or material inside.

[stuck imp]

So you're telling me that the mass of whatever you put inside, is in fact only linked to the mass of the exterior envelope which weight can be ten or hundred times less than what it contains

You know what it reminds me of ?

Harry Potter

Straight away with their bottomless items

[jade hare]

SCP-184 comes into the WR lore? 🤔

[devout current]

imagine punching into arthur shields and there's just bubble wrap inside

[abstract flare]

Kinda like that

[stuck imp]

I was wondering : how do Skadi lasers work ?

My hypothesis : since they refer to as "negative energy beams", one option is to consider those weapons create a tunnel aligned with their barrel where they basically drain all energy of matter in that tunnel. Coupling that with some sort of resonance/vibration and you can get pretty scary mechanical damages 🤔

[opal rover]

i think its supercooled plasma or something

[stuck imp]

The problem with plasma is that it always involve an energy gain, it being either thermal or electrical 🤔 In a plasma the gas particles are always very hot in different proportions, but they can never be cold. The "cold plasma" seems to be what we find in gas lamps and in emerging medical technologies : only the electrons are superheated while the atomic cores stay at room temperature, which results in the local formation of ionised plasma while being safe in a normal environment.
So I am personally pessimistic about the "supercooled plasma" due to the nature of a plasma itself

[devout glacier]

Sady the msg of full squad is a joke

[snow crypt]

@stuck imp

[stuck imp]

But a negative energy flow is really unclear, it doesn't tell any physical explanation. Like, what would be a positive energy flow in the first place ? Not a heat beam, not a laser, not a plasma, not a projectile, just raw energy ? And the Skadi series are going to do that but in reverse. At least my explanation makes them act as some sort of thermal vacuum machines that absorb all thermal energy within their reach, certainly to evacuate from a back vent or something. Kinda similar to how a heat pump works, but projected in a cylinder ahead of the weapon The physical explanation is also blurry, but at least you get to understand a principle that can be put at work using sci-fi tech ; a "negative energy flow" can hide anything

War Robots have become experts in creating weapons systems with un-explainable properties. Past the first Plasma series actually (Magnum, Taran, Redeemer), a majority of weapons use unclear technology.
If some can be explained like Gauss, Wasp maybe (although the Corrosion is kinda hidden), Scourge/Zeus, Cryo Rockets, Sonics, many others rely on unknown explanations. Even the "lasers" like Flux and Prisma are much harder than expected : how come Flux is blocked by shields if it's a light-based laser beam ? How does Prisma gain damage as range increases, where all physics laws tell that generally it should rather decrease ? Atomizer shoots projectiles of incredible technology being made entirely from energy ; we don't have a clue about how Blastcharge really works, as an overheat shouldn't cause a robot to explode which would have consequences far beyond what's depicted in-game...

[torn spoke]

dumb question: do specific robots (example: shell) have stoves?

[devout current]

stoves as in kid stove?

or cooking stove

[torn spoke]

cooking stove

[devout current]

theseus has a whole ass vending machine in skyros

a stove wouldn't be hard

[little lake]

[snow crypt]

I thought it was a mini-fridge.

[white sandal]

Mini fridge sounds cooler and more practical

[opal rover]

is it me or does sirius just looks off in gameplay

[stuck imp]

I saw AD Gaming video featuring Ravann's gameplay, I still have to figure out where are the turrets on the hull

Also the sonic weapons with 500m barely make sense for me. Even at 200m I don't know we even have the technology to create such powerful acoustic waves with warfare in mind. Pushing that to 500m would make an earthquake at each burst seeing how powerful that would need to be We're talking about weapons that obliterate robots faster than an artillery system like Vengeance

[white sandal]

Vengeance should have 800 range anyway

[stuck imp]

Yeah big Molot

[opal rover]

also how is sonic damage irreperable

[white sandal]

And yea sonics should be 200m

[opal rover]

imagine a sonic sniper weapon

[stuck imp]

My hypothesis is about grey damage being structural damage (core, computers, skeleton), and the "normal" HP being the armour which once broken through allows the internal systems to be damaged. While most weapons damage mostly the armour until it breaks, the sonic weapons can attack directly the structure by resonating inside the robot. So it deals both armour and structural damage, which of course inflicts critical damages that cannot be repaired by standard maintenance ; only improved Nanobots that are specifically designed to repair those internal systems can heal the grey damage

[opal rover]

i kinda thought the sonic weapons sort of "crushed" the nanobots

[stuck imp]

We know Gargantua swallows Nanobots and bits of armour. Sonic doesn't specifically prevent using healing, as you can still heal the 1% repairable damage they inflict, and if you use grey-repair pilots and items you can still be repaired

[opal rover]

wait then shouldnt they cause more irreperable damage

[stuck imp]

Gargantua is still limited to armour damage, while Sonic clearly bypass that if we follow the "structural damage" theory

[jade hare]

The sonic weapons damage the structure of the armor, making it weaker and this leads to nanobots not being able to fuse themselves onto the armor.
Gargantua and Pantagruel are just big electromagnets that tear off armor pieces and then a few nanobots near the robot fuse those pieces onto their armor

[abstract flare]

That makw sense since noise can go through solid objects

[abstract flare]

So, they release Bastion as enemy titan in PvE

And it is some kind of war machine than a walking city

It also associates with Grey AI

[opal rover]

i think that was thing for a long time

[opal rover]

this lunar new year event story seems pretty interesting, are we the commander teaming up with soren?

[devout glacier]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[stuck imp]

Although Soren is the "bad guy" of the story.... But who cares, we are mercenaries

[opal rover]

i havent gottten thru most of the story cuz thers not much story

and the skirmishes so far arent rylly good for operation e

[boreal sedge]

@devout glacierhow many times should we talk about this?

[opal rover]

huh?

[jade hare]

@opal rover Gabi is talking about this...

[opal rover]

A spam?

[jade hare]

Something like that. And apparently he did it multiple times before this one

[opal rover]

wait ur actually talking about the a spam, i just mentioned the a spam as a joke

[devout glacier]

I thought it's not general.. and we can do whatever we want

[abstract flare]

The rule apply to everywhere in this server, not just #💬│wr-general

So this thread isn’t anarchy

[jade hare]

• this thread is parts of #💬│wr-general

[snow crypt]

apparently, Pixonic still exists in 2143.

that probably means they're canon, so therefore, they somehow survived the cataclysm and continue to function as a company in the lore up until now.

take this with a grain of salt tho.

[devout current]

gotta sell a entire titan just to keep up with the meta

[jade hare]

I mean there are multiple Pixonic related things in the game

[snow crypt]

how did both of you just post at the same time

[devout current]

coinkydink

[jade hare]

There's a pilot related to Pix, a Desteier skin too and idk what else 🤔

[snow crypt]

there was vermillion paintjobs, but i don’t think they count.

[jade hare]

Those are related to Pix? 🤔
They kinda look like Ironman 😅

[snow crypt]

they are paintjobs that only a handful of robots had, and only a few youtubers were able to acquire them.

[jade hare]

I know what vermillion paintjobs are. I have 1 for the Patton and found a link for Boa but it's not working

[devout glacier]

Okay

[white sandal]

You can watch adds to get them when you start

[nova depot]

that... makes a lot of sense

[half cypress]

What are your thoughts on how the blastcharge effect work?

My thought is that the explosion is caused by a kind of liquid stuffed inside the ammunition that can apply the blast effect. This also explain how Harpy's firestorm can apply the blast effect onto bots inside the "storm"

[devout current]

it would have to fit inside each individual blast shotgun shell

[opal rover]

i always thought the blast occured due to the robot becoming a lot hotter than the surroundng air or something like that

[abstract flare]

I heard a theory that they cause atom become unstable to make hull explosive

[half cypress]

Well, it would if what causing the explosion is a liquid

[half cypress]

In my theory, the liquid that cause the explosion is an unstable chemical in high amount that would ignite at the slightest increase of heat but not so in low amount.
When a robot is fully coated, the substance ignite, causing an explosion.
In a rocket fire from Scald/Scorcher/Incinerator there are quite a bit of the substance, which kind of leak out when fire and ignite, therefore making the rocket to be able to bypass Ancile shield (or sth)
In the case of the blast shotgun, a slug bullet would have less space to fill the substance with, therefore require us to hit the enemy robot with more than 1 clip for said robot to be fully coated.

[opal rover]

maybe the blast shotgun bullet's liquid can make an explosion more than the scorcher's liquid

[jade hare]

I still think that blastcharge bullets are some kind of sticky bombs that stick to the robot's armor and when a certain amout of sticky bombs stick together they explode
Blast rockets shoot sticky bombs,
Blast shotguns shoot tiny sticky bombs,
And Harpy's firestorm shoot 1 rocket that explodes on contact and releases nanobots that tiny sticky bombs

[stuck imp]

But then why to wait for a threshold of sticky bombs ? Why not just blow them up instantly to cripple the hull ? Also there is a discrepancy about the blast rockets, that fire an indescriptible projectile type being a hybrid between a flame and a self-propelled apparatus : that seems much less coherent than the Blast Shotties. And you like to put Nanobots everywhere, don't you ?

[jade hare]

I mean scientists died in the WR universe just to make nanobots real so why can't they just use them for everything?

[jade hare]

More bombs = bigger explosion

[white sandal]

Those rounds are close to human size tho

I think the rounds have a napalm sort of thing in the shell and when enough hits happen its ignites but the bots built in fire suppression systems then extinguish it

[devout current]

what if we put humans inside bsg shells

[snow crypt]

as if humans would make for good payload

[half cypress]

Then the game would be rated E, of course :)))

[devout current]

if they could land safely maybe they could sabotage the finer parts of the robot like joints

[devout current]

exploding little people

[half cypress]

Talk about that. Now the lockdown effect is explained. It's the nanobots' doing

[devout current]

there was a discussion on it somewhere above but i forgot

[half cypress]

BTW, has anyone theorize about how energy shields work?

Especially Ancile shield. How can energy-based and liquid-based weapons bypass the shield?

And how does "Shield breaker" work?

[white sandal]

Yea that's the problem

[white sandal]

Because it's a force field generator that slows down projectiles wich is why it can't stop a lazer

But can stop rockets and rounds

[white sandal]

That is 1 very mighty if

[devout current]

well surviving it is a bonus

[snow crypt]

we should actually document all the theories and explanations that we have right now.

[half cypress]

But how can the blast serie rockets bypass the shield? The whole rocket can't just be energy

[white sandal]

They just have to travel at the right speed that they can force there way in, the shield can't physically stop everything and we'll have certain breaking points

Or the rounds are designed so they they can push through the shield

And thats why ages exists as well

[snow crypt]

the only possible way some projectile can bypass an energy shield, is if that projectile happens to be of the same energy as the shield, or at least have similar properties.

additionally, if a projectile does have properties that are unable to interact with the shield, then nothing happens and both entities are undisturbed. This could be seen as a penetration that results in no loss for either entities.

[half cypress]

I think Ancile shields are a kind of plasma wall shaped to a dome shape by electromagnetic force (or sth like that). This means the shield can block physical objects, but somehow unable to block energy-based projectiles, liquid, and high tempature projectiles

[snow crypt]

there is a more realistic explanation, but anyone's theory could be just as acceptable.

we're all speculating and giving our two cents, at the end of the day anyways.

[half cypress]

I can't explain it well since I'm not an English native speaker, and my vocabulary isn't big too

[snow crypt]

that's understandable, though I am glad that you have taken the effort to say something.

i say this for everyone else who lingers in the background.

[half cypress]

BTW, Aegis shield generators seems to be diffence on most robots that have one

[snow crypt]

there are two types of aegis shields: Streamlined and the Regular ones.

[half cypress]

Except for Cerberus and Typhon, pretty much every other robots' generators look different from another

Both Cerberus' and Typhon's is cylindtrical and placed outside the hull

[snow crypt]

that is a matter of the system either being an internal component, or an external, yet removable module.

it could be that both the Cerberus and Typhon are already, very low on space. I mean look at them.

[half cypress]

Erebus' could be cylindrical too, but it is intergrated into the hull. Then Mars' generator seems to be the two rotating thingy on the back of it. Blitz don't even show it generator, but its Aegis is only temporary. Bulward tho... it create a floating golden energy ball that seems to be the shield's center

[snow crypt]

mind you that these systems are created by different factions, same technology, but different designs, all to perform the same purpose and function.

[half cypress]

I completely forgot about that

At this point, the robots that have an Aegis shield are Bulward, Blitz, Cerberus, Typhon, Erebus, Skyros, Mars and Jaeger. So only 8?

The Blackout trio is made by Evolife

Blitz is by DSC, Skyros is by Icarus and Mars is by Spacetech if I'm correct

Bulward and Jaeger, I can't remember which corparation made them

[snow crypt]

bulwark is DSC and Jaeger is also Evolife

there is also fenrir having an aegis shield, but people just don't think about it.

Mars is made by DSC.

[jade hare]

I think we started talking about energy shields here 🤔

[stuck imp]

The Aegis is concentrated in DSC and Evolife, but soon all Factions will have one I guess. Icarus has Skyros now for no reason, we're waiting on Spacetech and Yan-Di

[jade hare]

SpaceTech has Forcefield so I think they don't really want to use other energy shields

[devout glacier]

SpaceTech is cool it created Cryptic fenir and it is so well

[half cypress]

Wait what?

[devout glacier]

What wait?

[devout current]

fenrir is evolife

[devout glacier]

oh...

[mossy marsh]

just search up war robots lore on fandom or something

all the lore pops up

pilots, different organizations, and even the maps

[stuck imp]

The problem is that this "public" lore is only the emerged part of the iceberg. 90% of what remains is hidden and speculated at best. We are the people searching to uncover the theories behind those 90% lore holes. How do machines work realistically ? Who are really the characters in the universe ? Where are they even, since we lost track of the Team B ? This lore will never be told, or when it is the tellers use very little common sense and come up with intensive use of inconsistencies.

[jade hare]

What do you think who writes those down? 🤡
Also, 90% of the lore is not there because nobody writes those down

[mossy marsh]

First of all, your saying someone writes the lore. Then you say its not being written. Plz refrain from talking rashly. I think that @stuck imp said it the best.

[jade hare]

I'm not saying we are the ones who writes the lore. Pix writes it, we just write them down on the wiki. And we aren't writing all of it down. Only pilot stories, event stories, faction descriptions and common stuff like that

[stuck imp]

Faction lore is made up from 70% of public lore for example ; and in a roleplay frame we try to recreate up to 90% of lore as we push the boundaries of our knowledge. The common things are well known, only the holes need to be filled and require a few braincells

The lore has too much holes to be ever completed one day, but we are trying our best

[jade hare]

Yeah. My favourite lore parts are the hidden secrets

[mossy marsh]

ok gotcha

[jade hare]

Jane, Ragna, Frank, Ozu, Mjusi, gray robots, etc.

[mossy marsh]

understood

[jade hare]

Interesting

[stuck imp]

[jade hare]

The first 2 projects are very interesting 🤔

[stuck imp]

"MEDEVAC" AND "ROAMER" It's hard to read so any correction is welcome

ROAWER maybe

[jade hare]

Nah, I think the first 2 names were the ones. Medevac and Roamer. But what could they be? 🤔

[devout current]

nah what about rare brawler memes

[stuck imp]

Or the "HoloPlayer" app

[jade hare]

Holoplayer app is for Jekyll to let him make holograms

And the memes are probably for Hank's entertainment

[devout current]

i like hank more already

[jade hare]

Also, I think Hank is 41 years old now. If you look at his username there's the year 2102. People usually put their birthdate in their username (like ProPlayer2009). So 2143-2102=41

[devout current]

hank is dank

[opal rover]

DankTheKing2102

[lime kayak]

God

I forgot this existed too

I have failed

Spare me, @jade hare

[lime kayak]

He wasn't talking rash, dummy

[mossy marsh]

no i know he wasnt and neither was I

We were arguing because I was confused. Hes right.

[jade hare]

You didn't do anything wrong in my opinion 🤔

Or did you? 🤨

[stuck imp]

He forgot this place That's worth some unseen measures, like having no sanction at all : pretty unseen indeed

[jade hare]

I mean it's better if he forgets this place than forgetting this place and writing in #🪐│scifi-story-lore instead

[stuck imp]

We would have chosen the worst way then, sentenced for treason

[lime kayak]

spare me, my lords

I have wronged

seen the error of my ways and all

[mossy marsh]

Did I? 🤨

[jade hare]

[jade hare]

New lore topic:
Nerfs and buffs

My theory:
They never happened in the game. Why?

Explanation:
Game view: Pix releases a new bot.
Lore view: A faction makes a new bot.

Game view: It's too op.
Lore view: It's a really good bot that dominates the battlefield.

Game view: Pix nerfs it.
Lore view: The whole timeline changes and the bot wasn't that good after all. Some pilots just had lucky days or good strategies.

Same with buffs:
Game view: Pix releases a new bot.
Lore view: A faction makes a new bot.

Game view: It's trash.
Lore view: It's not that good so they use it for training.

Game view: Pix buffs it.
Lore view: The whole timeline changes and the bot was actually good but the pilots couldn't use the full potential of it or they had bad luck.

[stuck imp]

I think Alpha already talked about a way we explained Hawk's nerf back in the day, and it was mostly due to technical issues appearing with the generator (nerf to ability damage and Reflector activation time). So the newer Hawks solved the issue paying on performance, while old ones were prompted to be repaired consequently to avoid further issues.
This kind of theory also works for buffs in the reverted way, new components and improved materials for example.
And it leaves open a roleplay possibility where you can still own an obsolete old model, not updated in time for the nerf/buff... An opportunity worthless for most the people here, but that can nonetheless tell about an in-universe situation

[devout current]

or maybe all other technology just power creeps and indirectly nerfs the bot

[stuck imp]

Wait that already is a thing

Also technology creep three months after release of the newest machine doesn't make much sense

It's already the most advanced tech available and is already obsolete

[devout current]

well when corporations are able to produce increasingly powerful robots and titans every month it's reasonable

[stuck imp]

But somehow old machines stay unchanged

Although they should suffer the power creep the sale way

And a Destrier becomes one shottable by anything

A single bullet

[devout current]

maybe not new enough to receive buffs

[stuck imp]

And not all new bots get nerfed. Look at Skyros and Harpy/Siren

[devout current]

yeah they just didn't keep up with the new ones like seraph

[jade hare]

What about every theory combined together? 🤔

[abstract flare]

Some theories are against each other so it might not fit. But we can try to figure out how it is possible to fuse them all

So the combination is that:

1. The buff and nerf often occurs naturally by the change in meta in WR universe that newer stuffs overperform old stuffs and replace them.
2. Because of the rate of releasing new bots, many are flawed (in real life view, that may be ton of bugs Pix add to a bot and not fix for months, lol). So to solve problems, they need to sacrifice the bots’ advantage to make it more stable. I also have theory that they make flaw on bot on purpose so that pilot will never stop buying newer build.

About power creep, Idk what it is:/
My vocabulary doesn’t have that word and gg translate doesn’t help either so I might need an explanation

My weird and unrealistic theory: It’s a time loop. Whenever the meta is too op, the faction that make it become so donimant that they begin to conquer others, cause high damage to humanity. To solve it, Pixonic (as we see, they do appear in the game) change the timeline and each time change the design of that bot in order to keep the balance of humidity society.

[stuck imp]

The fact of factory flaws is interesting 🤔 Or planned obsolescence in a sense : you make your robot become "old" so pilots buy the newest stuff. This is a poor military tactic, but an excellent marketing one... And I don't really know where the Corporations are between those two notions

[jade hare]

I think what I said is similar to this. Like the nerfs and buffs never happened. It always has been like that

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[stuck imp]

But you say goodbye to any glimpse of physics with that theory Time manipulation is beyond our understanding when it comes to preserve a chain of events

Like, what if a pilot died because Seraph lost its Forcefield on take-off, while it survived in the "previous" version of himself in that same fight ? That's the whole future that needs to be changed. This example may not have big consequences, but it's enough to be a valid counter-example

[abstract flare]

In my theory, they actually don’t preserve the loop on purpose but by accident. The event in each loop can be so different, that’s seem to have no connect. But in the end, there will only an ending, one meta dominant and the human is doomed so the loop start again. It’s like try to draw a line between 2 point, you can draw as many ways as you want but in the end, it will reach the end point, and from thay end point, your pencil back to the start point

And it actually doesn’t broke physic if we think in other way, the time isn’t reseted but just the humanity but it’s kinda boring so I stay with time loop stuff

[stuck imp]

So the flow of time from year zero to that moment is redrawn entirely ? 👀

[abstract flare]

I think it’s from a point in that time line, maybe 2023, or maybe further

[stuck imp]

That's I was meaning. I can't think of WR lore without thinking of our roleplay server, and just thinking that one nerf can make months of roleplay.... Voided ?

[jade hare]

I'm not talking about actual time travel. It's like saying this new car is awesome and things like that but after some time it turnes out to be not that good

It was never good but people in the past thought it's good

[abstract flare]

It’s natural evolution but in machine

[stuck imp]

But this theory has limits too... You can't turn a Mini into a Ferrari just by the power of thought

[abstract flare]

Like we see iPhone 4 as an inferior device now

[abstract flare]

Everything is possible in fiction

Even the most irlogical

[stuck imp]

What ATOM thinks of is that when a nerf occurs, in fact it correlates to the item "always being like that"... So it was just people misusing it, or being insanely lucky all that time or whatever..... This makes absolutely no sense

[jade hare]

That's where modification theory comes in. You put a bigger engine into the Mini and change some things in the Ferrari because it was too fast but not that protected (so lot of people died because of it)

[stuck imp]

I mean, it makes sense as being understandable, but there is no way this can fit correctly in the lore

[jade hare]

Combining theories

[stuck imp]

And we get back to my rational theory of "external intervention" : no time travel, no years of ignorance/luck/whatever... Just a mechanical overhaul

[abstract flare]

So all is cannon

[jade hare]

That's what I said. Combining theories. On some bots, your theory comes in but on others mine comes in

[stuck imp]

I need practical examples (or counter-example) to better grasp your application fields guys I understand how your theories work, but I cannot find a way for them to ever be feasible without breaking the universe. And think with my point of view : things done cannot be undone, like in real life

[jade hare]

Which robots got nerfed and buffed? 🤔
Say some please so I could write some examples

[stuck imp]

Ao Jun taking 3 nerfs to ability damage, duration and cooldown 🤔 Old but maybe a good example
Or Spectre being nerfed (cooldown) then buffed (duration)

[abstract flare]

There’s 2 ways we can explain how it work. I would call who did it as A

1. A reset the humanity, after the event and everyone dead exept them, they clone everyone, build the civilization back and then erase all memories. Inspired by scp 2000

The other, is simply time travel. It work like scp 055x579. It clone the whole timeline without any event in the past get affected. In that new timeline, an event is changed that prevent the end point of past timeline to occur, no matter how you try.

[jade hare]

Let's say they realised that Spectre was kinda weak so they gave it more ability duration but the cooldown increased too.

But there's Ao Jun which could be explained by newer bots having better defense than older ones. So Ao Jun's damage output decreased

[abstract flare]

Energy crisis that make fuel used on its rocket rare so the flight time is reduced. And the fuel remaining is too hard to extract, so it take more time to recharge.

[stuck imp]

So two explanations based on sci-fi and reality-bending entities In theory they work, but from my point of view the second one is not possible as you virtually "undo" a whole timeline just by making it disappear ; you break the chain of events.
The second one per se follows my criteria, but requires the "A" entity to be extremely powerful in order to not let a single soul with a memory of what happened... We're talking some cosmic god or whatever. Technically possible, but realistically compromised

Uh no I think I mixed up

The two

[jade hare]

Nerfs and buffs could be explained by multiple things

[stuck imp]

The problem with Spectre is that it was buffed ................ 3 years after being nerfed

[jade hare]

3 years irl is 3 seconds in the lore

[abstract flare]

Not really, they could just make it as a feature in brain when the clone is made.

[stuck imp]

Even the bot trolls me

[jade hare]

Remember?
2015 - 2023
2142 - 2143

[stuck imp]

That's a backdoor argument I would say. Because dozens of robots were developped in your so-called 3 seconds

[stuck imp]

I was rather meaning : how to make sure that not a single cockroach is there to tell ?

[abstract flare]

Let’s separate our time and lore time since it’s completely different

[jade hare]

Look, I know I can't give you a perfect explanation but can we just agree that there are multiple things that can explain how nerfs and buffs work in the lore?

[stuck imp]

I did....... Yet ATOM says that nerfs and buffs are considered simultaneous, whereas actually they aren't

[stuck imp]

Not offending you, but I find this sentence to admit kind of a defeat in your theory, or a lack of examples. There are maybe multiple reasons, but currently the most plausible ones are : mechanical intervention, time passing over old technologies, planned obsolescence in a smaller extent. The travel back in time and the "always has been" theories do seem a bit unstable, and also lacking concrete examples of applications.

[abstract flare]

Serveral step including erase memory installed in brain by many ways and erase memory after the big reset can be done to make sure.
Or they can just stack language ability and erase memory in a signal brain part so if one doesn’t work, the other doesn’t too.

Anyway, fun debate tonight. But I need to sleep now. See you tomorrow.

[jade hare]

It's not offending. I'm just kinda tired and don't have energy to continue this. And yes, I have lack of examples because of this. Also, it's not a defeat, I'm just offering a 50/50 so we can both consider ourselves as the winner.

Your theory:
They change things in the bots to make other bots sell more.

My theory:
Some bots are actually good but people don't use their full potential so they think it's bad.

With this 2 sentences I'm completely satisfied and I could let this topic go and say we found an answer for the question

[stuck imp]

I agree with this 50/50 🤝

[jade hare]

After so many hours...

[stuck imp]

The second theory works in very particular cases, notably buffs instead of nerfs, but it can explain some things

[jade hare]

Yeah

It could work in nerfs too. Like one bot is so overrated that everyone using it but a Leo could kill it

[stuck imp]

But it would be mitigated by actual field facts that would rapidly prove people wrong

The other way is more coherent as people can just pass over a crucial point of the robot, and only one day a smart man discovers that thing forgotten by everyone

[jade hare]

Yeah

[opal rover]

so how's this robot idea so far
Name: Yeti
Corporation: Yan-Di
A light robot capable of entering stealth while also activating a built-in weapon that freezes targets around it.
Ability: Summit Hunt: Robot goes into stealth, speeds up, and activates a built-in weapon that applies the freeze effect on nearby enemies in a radius. It also becomes immune to the blastcharge effect.
Ability Duration is 10 seconds, the cooldown is 18 seconds
Hardpoints: 4x Light,Durability and Speed: 71,000 hp and 49kph

[gloomy garden]

Hi

[opal rover]

i suspect ur also a weird lore person

[devout current]

pretty sure bot ideas go in #1037352718743896124

[opal rover]

i want constructive criticism before i accediently send a crap suggestion

[devout current]

10 seconds of stealth is a bit much

[opal rover]

8 seconds?

i dont want my idea to be a better orochi

[devout current]

depends on the radius and damage

[opal rover]

i'm thinking of the freeze weapon to deal no damage and the radius being the size of mender's heal radius

tho maybe it should deal damage to deal with lokis

[lime kayak]

Bring some variety to your ideas, y'all

Why just copy and paste the same old freeze, suppressions, blast radius defence points, stealth into a new chassis, get a cool name and call it a bot?

[jade hare]

I have unique ideas but they are like 2 years old

[stuck imp]

The ancestor of Forcefield even before it became a thing in the game. Except this one is balanced Date : 02/12/2020

PROJECT : Elytron
Faction : Icarus Technologies

Slots : 2 medium
Active module : YES
Passive modules : 3
Tier IV

A medium robot equipped with a brand new defensive technology from Icarus : Resistor Plating. This passive defense system incredibly reduces all incoming damages, and cannot be bypassed by any weapon, but generates a lot of heat by the process ; after being hit by several projectiles, the system will overheat and engage an emergency cooling (15% per sec), disabling itself temporarily. Ecu cannot be equipped.

Quick Cold : Passively the system will cool itself after a few seconds without taking damages (after 4 sec, by 10% per sec). Activating the ability disengages Resistor Plating and allows it to immediately cool down (by 30% per sec), until it is fully cold. Quick Cold cannot be activated during Emergency Cooling.

Cooldown : 17 seconds
Defense bonus : 80% impossible to bypass

Stats mk2 12
Health Points : 220 k
Overheat : 120 k total damage incoming
Speed : 45 km/h

The stats may need tweaking.... This is kinda old

[stuck imp]

This is just a worst Nether right now

[opal rover]

thats too hard

[snow crypt]

here is the lore for this current event and the next event, I must warn you of spoilers for the lore regarding the next event. These pages were created just recently today.

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Event_Lore:_2023_Lunar_New_Year
https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Event_Lore:_2023_Scavengers_Divided

[jade hare]

Hehehe. I saw a familiar name

Do you get that feeling sometimes that Pix has all the lore written down but they don't make all of it public?

[snow crypt]

hmm... maybe.

[devout current]

half the fun is in the surprise

sadly i like knowing things

[jade hare]

Same

I think I know things that you don't 🤔

[devout current]

naturally

[snow crypt]

alright so which side are you guys on? Adam or Roberto?

[stuck imp]

I think Adam plans on a smarter action than Roberto : he has a long-term investment idea that will eventually be useful on short term too, while Roberto thinks on short term only.

[opal rover]

yesh lore

so mao ling is oliver's wife

tho the legendary pilot lore page hasnt been updated it seems and im not rich enough to find out

i wonder how the scavengers think of the corps' spider bots

god forbid rayker

[stuck imp]

I'm shocked to learn that in fact the new Ares pilot should be the spooder alone The guy is just giving orders that one day the drone could assimilate if it has a smart AI... Or it could even rebel against humans, a risk Ricardo considered when fighting the Grey Horde

[jade hare]

Me who doesn't know anything about the new event lores:

But who needs to know new lore when you know Theseus' blood type and the bounty for Clyde's head

[stuck imp]

[jade hare]

Exactly.
Why do I know these? 😅

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[stuck imp]

Perfectly balanced. I'm sure the WR lore is p2w as well You bought information to become superior to all other lore gentlemen

[jade hare]

Nah bro, I'm just searching and I found things

[opal rover]

gimme

[snow crypt]

the idea of a war between the scavengers and the grey ai, seems like a good premise for a single player campaign.

[lime kayak]

The Matroska has spoken

and so it shall be

[jade hare]

Ladies and Gentlemen. I suggest that we find out more about the WR:F lore on their website. It's technically not against the rules because both games share the same lore but with a 200 year difference

[lime kayak]

[jade hare]

So Tortuga is a spaceport with a warpgate that connects the Wild Ten and other solar system 🤔

[stuck imp]

What is the principle behind that "warpgate", is it something known ?

[jade hare]

You mean how it works or? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Yeah how it works... If there's ever an answer to that knowing Pixonic

[jade hare]

You remember when we talked about mothership support and teleportation?

I think they make the whole mothership into energy and then "shoot" or "send" it to the next warpgate

[stuck imp]

For interstellar travel I expect a wormhole to be fair But since Teleportation is canon in the lore, it may as well be it

[snow crypt]

another problem with leech's repulse ability, it can transfer lockdown and some other negative effects to its target, not just damage.

[stuck imp]

[snow crypt]

alright, here's an idea. If we go off the assumption that the Repulse ability is an advanced hacking system. It is possible that the system could send information or change/manipulate the internal systems of the target robot, causing the robot to become locked down prematurely, without the need for external stimulation via projectiles from Pulsar or Shredder.

this can be done by locking down the locomotive systems or severing the power supplies to such systems, for a period of time.

[stuck imp]

I guess that effects like Supression, EMP, Blind and Lockdown can be easily reflected on target, but Freeze is much trickier because it's due mostly to external projectiles

The four effects being electronic defects it's understandable that it should work

[snow crypt]

right now, there is no instance for Repulse transferring freezing to the target. As far as I am aware, effects can only be transferred via drones or active modules on the Leech.

[stuck imp]

Right now in-game does even Repulse reflect negative effects ?

[snow crypt]

only if the leech has paralysis or lockdown ammo active, before the drone overhaul it could transfer Lockdown, Suppression and Freeze via drone microchips.

right now, lockdown is the only effect that Repulse can transfer in gameplay. As there is currently no other drone that inflicts Freeze or Suppression.

[stuck imp]

Hmmm interesting

Sounds like a good combo with LockDown active module in fact

[snow crypt]

indeed, though it seems that the accumulation was very low. Unless the Leech was taking a lot of damage, or hits from projectiles, the effect was barely useful if it came from drone microchips.

[stuck imp]

Just like how old weapons accumulate nothing... If it's 0.5% per tick and Leech reflects only one tick per projectile then it's natural to think you need 200 ticks in less than 5 seconds to accumulate fast enough

[snow crypt]

yes

[stuck imp]

Only an Avenger Behemoth can provide enough bullets I guess

[snow crypt]

or any flamethrowers

[stuck imp]

Was thinking of that too

[snow crypt]

what still confuses me is how accumulation is still transferred with Repulse.

[boreal sedge]

Yeahh, I was amazed by that when I found out about it too

I really tried it with a clanmate because I thought some person was cheating when in a match it looked like I got locked down out of nowhere

I was kinda shocked

[snow crypt]

if pixo decides to make a paralysis for suppression or freezing, it might be worth using leech for this purpose.

[stuck imp]

This is indeed the weirdest and most unexpected way to get paralysed

[snow crypt]

that gives me an idea, what if you had two or three people in leechs with paralysis. Each of them taking turns to leech onto one person when taking damage.

if done correctly, the one person would get lockdowned every time their immunity expires.

[stuck imp]

Oooof the Leech Cancer incoming

With a 30s Leech train

[snow crypt]

60s of lockdown if its a full leech train

oh and gravity amp exists, so imagine being unable to move for more than a minute

lockdown followed by gravity amp on the 10 second immunity, then lockdown again. Rinse and repeat.

if you want to make the person in question miserable for the rest of the match, focus them but don’t kill them.

[lime kayak]

ragequit speedrun

[snow crypt]

this is the way

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbzcGXJYtA apperantly theres a robespierre next to the fury

[lime kayak]

Maxximillian Robesppiere?

@stuck imp we do a little history 🤡

[stuck imp]

Maximilien de Robespierre, please respect his name at least

[jade hare]

I still don't know how did Pix even thought about making a robot like Robespierre

I mean it had 5 weapons, a lot of hp and was really slow

The 5 weapon breaks one of the robot making rules:
A robot could have only 4 or less weapons.

The slot doesn't matter (heavy, medium or light)

[stuck imp]

Uuuuhhh no even back then it was legit at 4 weapons ? 1 Heavy, 2 Meds and 1 Light. Where did you see the 5th weapon ?

What's known is that it was indeed excessively slow and tough, but it would have been a good counterpart to Leo back in the days

[lime kayak]

My sincerest apologies 🤡

I haven't revised that chapter of my book recently

[white sandal]

Try exodus

[jade hare]

For some reason I thought it had 2 light weapons 🤔😅

[snow crypt]

the robespierre has 1 light, 2 medium and 1 heavy

[stuck imp]

Literally Google "Robespierre" nub My history classes are far behind, but any encyclopedia can provide the knowledge nowadays

[lime kayak]

I was too lazy

[opal rover]

rest in peace drone hangar hawk

[stuck imp]

🇫

[snow crypt]

so, here is a list of all spiders used by the Grey Ai.

• Tick (small spider with AoE)
• Tarantula (green ranged spider with DoT)
• Karakurt (Rayker equivalent with Glacier and Rime)
• Wanderer (Invader equivalent with storms, fast but cannot jump)
• Birdeater (Jaeger equivalent, no aegis shield and equipped with Kang Daes)
• Recluse (brown Artillery spider, self-explanatory)
• Bastion (self explanatory, though it’s outfit with a pair of Basilisk, a Tsar-equivalent armament, homing missiles and an AoE weapon)

they all arrive onto the battlefield, via portals or energy holes (similar to Orion). Dark spheres that are outlined by a dull orange glow in the sky, some 100 or so meters off the ground.

[stuck imp]

The Bastion has a lot of weapons

[white sandal]

Daka daka daka

But yes it's got 2-3 different guns

Really makes me want squads in pve

[opal rover]

that would be rylly fun, shame my clan is like not active at all rylly

[jade hare]

Imagine WR as a story game. It starts in 2080 with the Cataclysm and slowly reaches the 2343 years where WR:F takes place

[snow crypt]

a roleplay game with that plot would also be cool.

Imagine roleplaying as Kyle Rogers or Olga Minina.

[jade hare]

You could choose which pilot's story you want to play and then when you finished that you could choose another one. Or have your own character as a pilot and follow a story that you would like to see

[devout current]

and then go through samael's one and literally commit mass genocide

against children no less

[stuck imp]

Our roleplay server be like

Kind of

[jade hare]

I mean this game would be a first person 3D game where you control the characters. The roleplay server is just a story writing thing. I mean you don't control the characters, you just tell what they do or did

[stuck imp]

Well only the format changes But I get the idea

[opal rover]

that will probably the only thing discussed at all about he story mode

[devout current]

also probably a lotta dark stories out there

[jade hare]

Samael has other stories too. First you could play with him as a child and try to survive that incident. Then you would play with him as an adult where he's still normal and he becomes a station chief. Then he would slowly become crazy and that other incident happens. After that he would meet Thomas and the story continues

[opal rover]

i mean the part where he kills children

u bet every news article is gonna go insane of that

[jade hare]

Maybe yeah

[jade hare]

A guy in #🪐│scifi-story-lore thinks SpaceTech and Yan-di will team up and conquer the whole universe 1000k years later 😂
Too bad they don't even exist in 2143

[opal rover]

i'm pretty sure they meant it as a joke

[jade hare]

And I'm laughing on it so it was a good joke

[lime kayak]

And dsc will just step aside and let them do that?

[jade hare]

Ask that from him

[lime kayak]

lmao

[snow crypt]

best case scenario is that spacetech, yan-di and maybe evolife will leave the star system, and go explore the rest of the cosmos. While icarus, dsc and whoever is left will take control of the solar system and expand from there.

Yan-di might be on track for universal domination, but its hard to say for the other factions.

[devout current]

prob a kid

[opal rover]

plot twist they're actually that new imugi pilot

also what is their like deal, all i know is that they have some prophet stuff going on

[snow crypt]

loaded up bastion in blender with the usual textures and noticed that it has a face.

@stuck imp

[stuck imp]

That smile

[jade hare]

@stuck imp Remember when we talked about this?

Evolife and DSC made it

[stuck imp]

All is linked

Except I didn't wait for Evofort to develop my idea. And it's plausible to think that Evolife paved the way for organic computation, while DSC provided a solid backbone in military research. The weakness of Evolife is being reclusive, so DSC bringing it to the stars seems coherent

[jade hare]

Everything is linked together. The Angler in that Evolife facility full of organic alien like creatures, the Gray AIs, DSC making human experiments. Everything leads to FortEvo who copies Pacific Rim

[jade hare]

https://ss-images.saostar.vn/2018/01/22/2096181/sequence-05_2.gif

FortEvo bots be like:

[opal rover]

the fu

[jade hare]

What?

[stuck imp]

He is flabbergasted by our organic computers in Evolife

[jade hare]

But he was there when we first talked about it 🤔

[opal rover]

no uh evolife robots straight up being animalistic

also not a lot of evolife bots are based on animals rylly

unless humans count

which basically every faction does

[jade hare]

Well, not all of them but a lot of them can be considered as animals. Either because of a skin or because they are related to an animal

[lime kayak]

Knight was a tc?

[jade hare]

That's the WRF server...

[white sandal]

Who is knight?

[lime kayak]

oof

[jade hare]

@placid sequoia idk. Who are you? 🤔

[placid sequoia]

Lore version or Discord version.

[jade hare]

Both? 😳

[placid sequoia]

Sure thing. Discord version: Just a friendly Raijin player. Lore version: An ancient species to protect other species.

[stuck imp]

We are on the edge of collecting some sacred knowledge

[opal rover]

does anyone have a picture of that loading screen where an ao jun is chasing a nightingale in the sky?

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emojis-think-gif-25380683

[opal rover]

like there high in the atmosphere, theres a bunch of motherships, and i think the nightingale is a skydriver one

[jade hare]

https://warrobots.com/en/posts/320

You can steal it from here

[opal rover]

yeah that

i always though a map on top of a mothership in the atmosphere would be dope

but then theres orbital strikes...

[jade hare]

Yeah

We talked about this before

[opal rover]

was i here back then

[jade hare]

Idk 🤔

[opal rover]

i joined on december

actually jan 20

what sort of ideas could be turned into wr maps?

[jade hare]

A room inside a facility? Like the one that the Loki and Hades is in, or the Angler

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHg2_MR4SQ london lol?

[opal rover]

https://discord.com/channels/692379063716937790/1055673113024671854 this lol

[jade hare]

Yeah, that would be cool

Both are cool

[opal rover]

i feel like the sol network could be absolutely abused for maps

[opal rover]

maybe a deep underground geothermal plant with lava with only few places where sunlight can reach, the gimmick being that u cant orbital strike in most of the map?

[jade hare]

What about a giant forest with some lakes 🤔

[opal rover]

a giant floating city on venus?

[opal rover]

i actually have a map idea thats legit just a forest, the thing is that theres a crashed monarch

[white sandal]

That would be cool to see

[white sandal]

Hard to code stuff like that

[opal rover]

better to spend those resources on how we can reinvent absorber shields

[opal rover]

on the sky map idea maybe the map consists of like 4 ships (not nescacerilly motherships) in the air at various points of elevation, the ships are connected to each other by teleports but flying bots could fly to other ships but risk falling

and orbital strikes? well carrier exists and its fine

[white sandal]

That map sounds cool

But pix has always taken a while with new maps

[opal rover]

again its more wise to rienvent the hawk for like the 3rd time

[opal rover]

ok so now i'm making legendary pilots and lore for this idea

[opal rover]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6by05O found this angler 3d model

and tbh angler's design isnt that bad

[jade hare]

Who said Angler has a bad design? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Angler has a bad gameplay design

[opal rover]

people think its ugly

[jade hare]

It's a 3 nosed pig

6 nose holes

[opal rover]

its definetlly not one of the most visually appealing designs but still like it, gives me both submarine and exorcist (not sure if this is exactly the best word to describe) vibes

[half cypress]

That's just the "mask" - aka shield, its real "face" is just an oval shape piece of glass

[opal rover]

i forgot i dont have image perms

angler without the mask is legit just a submarine with legs

[half cypress]

Angler without the shield is just... can't even think of a word to describe it

[opal rover]

for some reason it reminds me of among us

[half cypress]

Wait a minute, what is "FortEvo"? When was this name appeare?

[opal rover]

frontier

frontier has new factions

[half cypress]

Oh, lots more lore then

[opal rover]

the factions are (i think heavily implied) to be descended from the factions of mobile wr

[half cypress]

Interesting

[opal rover]

also what are the walking wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6frEGu1G0s

[opal rover]

wait its been popular for hundreds of years!?

how far is frontiers in the future

[half cypress]

I think it's talking about the early days of War Robots when it was still called "Walking War Robots"

[opal rover]

i mean in canon

[half cypress]

Varangian is the improved Vityaz

[opal rover]

vityaz in frontier appears to be pretty different

[half cypress]

I mean "Walking War" is talking about the early lore of the game or sth similar.

[opal rover]

the early days have been retconned

[half cypress]

Yeah, I used bad wording there. I mean the early days when robots just became a thing

[opal rover]

oh ok

[half cypress]

You know, when robots like Leo, Cossack, Natasha,... were the 1st model of every factions

Say... the Walking War may be the war before the Catalism

Robots back then would only consisted of the tier 1 robots, so the war with those robots would really be a Walking War

[opal rover]

nothing in the lore really suggests that a war caused the cataclysm, all we know about what caused the cataclysm is that something happened in south america and it might have been cuz of the corporations

[half cypress]

"Nothing suggest" doesn't mean "deny the possibility" tho

[opal rover]

i should also add that the robots are designed for mars and outerspace to the point a bad blizzard on earth was a cause for concern

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Event_Lore:_2022_Cruel_Warm_Winter

[jade hare]

Bruh, I can't read all this and write my things too at the same time

[half cypress]

Maybe a World War happened and the corporations supply the robots for both side, then an accident happened in a weapon developing facility and that cause the Catalysm

[opal rover]

the oldest bots and weapons we can have in wr arent that advanced so i doubt a weapons factory developing magnums would cause the cataclysm

[jade hare]

So. @half cypress you are correct. The Walking Wars were the first years of the war where robots became a thing. From a game point of view, it was when the game launched. The Walking War Robots.

ForEvo is a WR:F faction which is one of the 3 main factions. FortEvo, FreeCon and Human Purity. You can learn about them more on their website.

@opal rover WR:F plays 200 years after WR so the years is 2343 there.

[opal rover]

wait didnt they fight with robots on mars

since the robots are designed for mars

and if the walking wars are supposed to be when the game launched that would mean they're fighting on earth

tho when the game launched it had different lore

[jade hare]

1. Nobody fights on Mars except a few little battles.
2. We always fought on Earth
3. It didn't have different lore

[opal rover]

in the past they fought on mars i meant

[jade hare]

No

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Old_Factions?so=search actually there was different lore

[jade hare]

Yeah, there was but it was really old and even Pix didn't know what they wanted

That things is too old to be relevant

[opal rover]

thats the point

when the game launched it did have different lor which has been retconned

[half cypress]

Have just read this, and I found this paragraph:
"On an Earth ravaged by the Cataclysm, where five corporations have been at war for decades, there are rarely moments of calm."
It says here that the 5 corps wages wars with each other. This should imply that the Walking War is talking about the war using old school robots (i.e the tier 1, minus Bolt).

About this part: "Robots might be adapted for working on Mars and in outer space, but there’s no snow and ice clogging up your reactor out there." Ricardo could be talking about the newer robots here, not the tier-1s. I mean, tier-1s are so weak and outdated now that would any Mercenaris be still using them to do missions?

Also, old school robots' designs are based on war vehicle. Helicopter, tanks, war planes,...

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awW2zbxmeiY&list=PLDg3JrOKeBjbZY_4660PUmG-o5jPfkWPN i feel like the team b trailer implies the fighting is on mars

[jade hare]

Also, that page was updated I think and it's messy. I mean I know about that old picture with the old factions but then the other, "newer" bots are came with the page's update. I mean who puts only 3 bots into a faction? Those bots are similar to each other so they just made up a faction and then put them into it

[half cypress]

I also forgot about Raijin and Fujin. Their designs look like they were made to fight on a pre-Catalysm Earth. Why would Fujin's engine be exposed to the outside if it is developed to work in harsh condition?

[jade hare]

Bro, it clearly said that the fights are on Earth.
"Humanity lives in an uneasy peace, except on Earth"

[opal rover]

i'm trying to say that they were fighting on mars, now theres not a lot of fighting so mercaneries fight on earth

[jade hare]

There's a contract between the corporations where they said they will be in peace on Mars and fight for the Earth's remaining resources. Of course there are some exceptions but there was never a real war on Mars

[half cypress]

BTW, I noticed a hiccup in the Cruel Winter event story. Ricardo said that robots were adapted to work on Mars and outer space, but then most fights that star the robots happened on the post-Catalysm Earth.

[opal rover]

however the exceptions exist and they need to be delt with, thus the robots were meant to be on mars with them relatively recently now being used by mercaneries on earth

also yan-di's lore states that there were fights for territory

[half cypress]

By your statment, there could be fights on Mars for territory before the contract you mentioned were signed.

[opal rover]

war robots lore is a mess

[half cypress]

Spacetech were the 1st to make a colony on Mars, which mean the corps didn't reach Mars at the same time, which could explain the fights for territory that could have happened before a peace treaty were reached

[half cypress]

Yeah

Someone official should make a lore section on the War Robots official website reorganising the "prologue" of the game, from the pre-Catalysm era toward the Mars colonies era

But, what exactly is the Catalysm?

[opal rover]

na fam better to make the millionth anti-titan equipment

[opal rover]

something something south america and corporations *something something *earth ravaged

[half cypress]

I know it consists of violence earthquakes, tsunamies, huge storms and other natural disasters, but are those all?

Cruel Winter event took place during a freezing blizzard that reach -80°C, which I think can only happen during an Ice age or nuclear winter

[opal rover]

idk lol

all we know is that something happened in south america probably cuz of the corporations

[half cypress]

Say, they could be developing the radiation weapons and fail miserably, causing the Catalysm at the same time. And only after hundred of years later did they successfully developed the weapons?

[opal rover]

i dont think the radiation weapons caused all of this

if it was a nuclear winter things would be very different

[half cypress]

Yeah, one huge radioactive explosion couldn't have cause a worldwide natural disasters festival

But it could cause the nuclear winter

[opal rover]

if it was nuclear winter a lot of the maps would be very different

[half cypress]

Deadcity is hit with nuke, I think. But a nuclear winter would have covered the city in snow

[opal rover]

namely lots of snow everywhere

[half cypress]

Yeah

[opal rover]

so i dont think it was nukes and stuff that caused the cataclysm

[chrome merlin]

I think that it is just nuclear winter + plate movement or whatever + future tech gone wrong or smth

[half cypress]

With the return of Yamantau in the near future, there would only be 3 maps with snow. Abyss, Winter event Canyon and Yamantau

Does anyone know what the heck the purple river thing in that Winter event map is anyway?

[chrome merlin]

ig Shenzhen is one of the better preserved cities on Earth.

[chrome merlin]

toxins or strong acid?

[opal rover]

how canon is that map even

[half cypress]

It is covered with an energy shield

[half cypress]

Try asking the dev, maybe they'll know

[chrome merlin]

maybe one of the corporations is founded in China, so they preserved it. Don't know why they want to preserve Shenzhen tho, should've done Beijing or Shanghai.

[half cypress]

You forgot Rome. It is also very well reserve

Or maybe that is just a replica

[chrome merlin]

yea, and some random medieval city in europe

is deadcity on mars?

[half cypress]

The colloseum isn't damaged anymore

[half cypress]

That's Castle you're talking. That place looks like a ruin tho

Does anyone here notice the giant creepy robot figures on the side of the big buildings in Dead city? Who put those in anyway, scare the crap out of me when I first noticed them

They do look like Iron Giant, a lot

[devout current]

man earth can't catch a break

[opal rover]

what figures

[opal rover]

maybe an important member of said corporation was born/lived in shenzhen or shenzhen was important to them in one way

also i'm assuming ur talking about yan-di but doesnt icarus own shenzhen?

[white sandal]

Depends where it went of

[opal rover]

well south america does have the amazon

[half cypress]

When you spawn in on Dead City, look up at the big building with 2 towers in front of you, you'll see there're 2 pictures of a humanoid robot ingraved on the side of the towers

I remembered seeing a video with this as its thumbnail

[opaque elk]

waitttt wait wait wait what

im a bit late on this

but isnt bastion

like.. self sufficient

whys it being controlled

ive heard theories of it being a ai but another theory of it having a colony inside it

did lore just change

+old sirius > final sirius

[jade hare]

Bastion was never controlled by AI, it always had a pilot but nobody knows who it is. You can know this from Kyle's stories.
The colony theory was just an idea, to spice the lore up a little bit

And it wasn't a colony, it was just a walking city and some people

[stuck imp]

I'm thinking : did the Kyle story mentioned a real human pilot, or are you deducing that from the fact he got a comms with the Bastion ? Seeing AIs can pilot robots, one capable of talking and having a reasonable behaviour concerning pilots could make a little bit of sense

[jade hare]

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️

Kyle ran into a huge four-legged robot that even his Hawk could barely scratch. He survived by a shear miracle: the robot suddenly ceased firing and transmitted the encrypted signal: "GO AWAY, BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM." Kyle didn't mention that part in the report.

It could be AI, it could be a pilot, it could be Evolife's creatures. Who knows?

[stuck imp]

So you don't know if it always had a pilot

It may just be a computer or a brain in a jar

[nova depot]

that kaiju brain from pacific rim

[opal rover]

ok so Ive made the first robot that uses this status effect I made, its meant for earlier players/tiers.
How balanced is it, I don't want to send a bad idea into #1037352718743896124 summoning him.
Name: Geist

Corporation: Icarus
A light robot capable of repairing itself via attacking enemies with its built-in weapon allowing it to survive longer than other robots that share its role on the battlefield.

Withering: Nanomachines tear some metal of an enemy back to the nanobot sender after sufficient accumulation of nanomachines. 
Ability: None
Built-in-Weapon Stats (level 1): Attributes: Explosive, Lock-on, Volley, Magazine, Homing, Instantly Applied: Withering. (tldr: BIW is basically an aphid-style weapon that has my status effect idea)
Damage: 1,100 per missile, Range: 350 meters, Reload: 12 seconds, Unload: Instant

Robot Durability and Speed at level 1: 46,000 HP, 48 kph

[upbeat obsidian]

10/10

In my opinion

[opal rover]

where/whats the city in the aether and nether poster?

[jade hare]

Maybe just a random city. We don't know anything about it 🤔

[opal rover]

it doesnt look like an earth city

earth cities that still remain are relatively unchanged

[jade hare]

Maybe a SpaceTech city

[opal rover]

thats being attacked?

[jade hare]

Maybe it's 3V3R3TT

With his Nether

And the Aether is defending it

[snow crypt]

seems excessive, there are few cases when a nether could win against an aether when they both have practically the same weaponry.

[devout current]

spears+good piloting might do the trick

really really good piloting

[jade hare]

I mean an AI who was a human being is a really good pilot in my opinion

[opal rover]

does anyon have everett's full story

i require the sacred flavour text

[paper hamlet]

yk what would be good a robot like leech but instead of redirecting damage it steals health or any repair module or healing received by the targeted robot directly goes to you lol

[stuck imp]

That could be a Leech pilot actually Any healing applied on the target is partially redirected to the Leech itself

[opal rover]

tbh i feel like the buffs that some legendary pilots give should just already be on the robot

like ghost

[abstract flare]

Pilots that provide active module effects when the bot active its ability are simply rich dude with ton of pc and many module

[opal rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMqrO1-6ww does anyone know what "The Core" is

[jade hare]

I guess the main corporations 🤔

The 5 core factions

[opal rover]

a bit off-topic but personally i would have called the titans "kaiju" as a bit of a reference to the trope of giant mechs fighting giant monsters and to seperate wr from b.o.t

[jade hare]

But then they would be too similar to Pacific Rim

Also, why call them Kaiju, why not Jaegers?

Also, there are a lot of references from other games and movies in WR

And I think I heard somewhere that B.oT was created by old Pix members 🤔

[opal rover]

the robots in bot are called titans

[jade hare]

I know

[opal rover]

we have a robot named jaeger

[jade hare]

But not when titans came out

Jaeger came later

[opal rover]

still

[jade hare]

Then titan is still a better name imo

[opal rover]

again it was just my opinion

[jade hare]

And it's ok. Everyone has opinions

[opal rover]

anyways i'm gonna go to #💬│wr-general to see if anyone has full everett lore

[white sandal]

It looks interesting

[opal rover]

really liked its spider bots

tho i dont think the game has had a major update in a while

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Pilot_Lore:_3V3R3TT so i put some place holder images in the new lore page foe everett

[stuck imp]

I played BoT at the time where WR kinda bored me to the point I was looking to new horizons (what a blasphemy I know)... And sadly there is less and less hope for this game. An update was announced but it was basically before the war in Ukraine, and with the sanctions in Russia us players are left to believe that it didn't turn well for the game economy. Facebook Log-In being broken didn't help either...
Now the Community Manager lost all contact with the dev "team" (one server janitor and the programmer, plus the CM), and rewarded events do not seem to have any support. Some canadian friends tried to buys things in-game recently and it didn't work, don't know if the bug was occasional or if that's the sign of worse coming...
You guessed it, the game is pretty much dying, which is kinda a shame considering it was pretty good : the physics engine is much more advanced than WR, the mechs feel more real, and Light robots have actually a useful gameplay even (and especially) against Heavies

[jade hare]

Time to make a new B.o.T game. The lore gang will make it

[stuck imp]

I mean this is really a treasure on the edge of disappearing... Such graphics are dreamt by numerous games, and this game consumes much less battery than WR for such a result... It's literally ten times better in optimisation, but sadly pays the price in content and now its own survival is compromised

And you have a speedometer

Massive perk

Also weapons and legs destruction are not RNG but aim-based : you want to take away a gun, just aim at the gun. The aiming is manual but heavily assisted, still allowing to "clip" on things like legs and specific parts of the enemy

[white sandal]

That's most of the competition for wr

[stuck imp]

Not for long though... WR thrived where BoT stagnated

[jade hare]

Is that a new bot next to you? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Actually it's an old one, the equivalent of our Legendary Editions. A reward to the early supporters of the game, and the placeholder model for the Convoy item (basically a push-the-payload gamemode)

[jade hare]

So then it's not a new bot but a new gamemode

[stuck imp]

Treat "new" carefully with this game... The gamemode itself is quite old, but with only 1 programmer we can't really expect any fast progress when there is a placeholder model somewhere

This game had like one update a year, and no major change since two-three years

[opal rover]

loved the mite mech, literally able to climb all over the place and even on other players

and the cormarant

[white sandal]

What's the full name?

[stuck imp]

Battle of Titans

[snow crypt]

how about a vip gamemode? One player spawns in their titan and the other five spawn in their regular robots.

the objective here is to destroy the other team’s titan, as they only have one life. Depending on the titan used, it may gain a scalable durability (25-50%) bonus so it can survive for longer.

there is a twist, the other players can respawn in any robot they choose, they effectively don’t lose their robots after they have been destroyed. However, they have to wait a minute before they can drop into another robot after they have died.

the match ends when either team’s titan is destroyed.

[opal rover]

hawk

[white sandal]

Shranga would be fun in that

[stuck imp]

I have Seraph PTSD now How many times my Minos got clapped by those robots... Their ability longer than the Reflector and flying so fast that cover isn't an option. Just field a team of anti-Titan and watch the show 🍿

[snow crypt]

I don't have such issues, blinder indra go brr.

but yeah, field a team of either hawks, seraphs or even fafnirs (if they somehow get fully charged) and you will have the highest success rate. Alternatively, you can also have a team of just tanks and push through everything.

[white sandal]

I hate eather with either of the new guns

I've lost a ton of games when my team has a 4 cap and 1-6 of those eathers drop and wipe my team out in a few minutes

[snow crypt]

the only answer is blinders, those aethers can't do crap if they can't shoot at anyone. But the fact that a flying aether can reduce the damage so much from an entire firing squad of titans using blinders, goes to show how unbalanced that forcefield really is. And how much of a game changer a couple of well built ones can be, no matter where you place them at any point in the match.

and also shows just how strong forcefields can be in general. You can have 18 damage boosted Maha-Vajras firing at a single flying aether, and they won't do anything at point blank... its stupidly unreasonable why this shield technology is that effective and durable.

[white sandal]

Blinders buy you 5 seconds and that's it

[stuck imp]

We can always suspect hitbox issues, and as far as I know the Aether has such problems... Just like Seraph on release...

And Pixonic saying it's not broken but just "slightly built different" Making a 1inch dispersion pattern to negate 80% of damages is not legit at all... My Tempests can say that, and yes they have a spread but it's usually negligible under 300m : tell that to pre-nerf Seraph

[devout current]

what do yall think of the cinematic

[jade hare]

Let me see it first

It's really nice. We can rewatch it multiple times to reveal every little secret we find in it

So. One thing that we can do is name Tal Mokri's friend (the leaderboard guy) to Tortuga Broker

[opal rover]

so the new cinematic, robots aren't just really advanced vehicles, they have smart ai that do somewhat value their life

that for some reason didn't appear in the past cinematics

[snow crypt]

nessa losing her raven was a bit sad, she should have activated her double jump and gtfo, there ain’t no way a radiation raven can stop a full swarm of ticks by itself. And apparently it only took like three missiles from a recluse to take out the raven, each missile in game deals like 25k damage, so that raven had less than 100k hp or something in that cinematic.

[opal rover]

didnt it just jump onto a spider to save her

[snow crypt]

it did, though it probably didn’t damage the raven

[opal rover]

also y haven't we seen or mention smart ai in the robots before

u'd think theseus's skyros would have a word on kamikazying a luchador

[snow crypt]

idk, it might be optional for some robots. When you give a robot a pilot, I would suspect that the Ai pilot is replaced. But in some cases like Nessa, the Ai is kept as the autopilot and assistant.

[opal rover]

so the ai that defaulty pilots robot is pretty sentient

[snow crypt]

it seems that way, in game they can pilot robots normally just like actual people.

[opal rover]

i thought it was just smart enough to follow orders

maybe thats an understatment but not full on sentient and sapient

[snow crypt]

that could also be true, you can still achieve a level of sentience with just expanding the parameters of an ai.

[opal rover]

and such smart ai seems pretty normal so y has it never been mentioned

[snow crypt]

ask pixonic

[stuck imp]

The Raven was already damaged. Nessa was trying to gather the resources to repair it, but it got stubborn in its mission to save the pilot first. So it may be understandable that only minor damage were enough to destroy it, as well as being unable to jump out of action

Also Nessa probably had her chances against normal ticks, but it's the Recluse that took her by surprise

[snow crypt]

that wanderer would have most likely taken out her raven too, but her raven caught it by surprise.

[stuck imp]

On a side note, those animations are illegally well-made for a mobile game company... I just hope that some budget remains to fix lag and bugs

[opal rover]

what being p2w as hell for like almost a decade does to a company

also i like how absolutely nobody is questioning how and why the gray swarm robots look like the corporation's spider bots, especially the ticks and karakurts

[stuck imp]

Well there seems to be a "mastermind" behind all of this. 🤔 He didn't get all his inspiration from nowhere, and the industry may even have started by simply recycling Corporate robots, before making them by thousands now

[opal rover]

who do u think the other guy in the cinematic is

[opal rover]

still u'd think people would be wondering why the robots of this already strange "faction" look a lot like the corporations spider robots and also why the gray swarm specifically uses spider bots

[stuck imp]

Indeed nobody asks... Like it's casual and normal

[opal rover]

and nessa isnt surprised when she sees the gray swarm guarding a pre-cataclysm facility...

so people know that this weird faction uses a swarm of robots that look suspiciously similar to the corporation's spider mechs and that they guard pre-cataclysm facilities and yet they dont care

[stuck imp]

That doesn't make any sense

[opal rover]

who's the other guy in the cinematic

[snow crypt]

thomas mindread and maybe everett might be likely suspects, but idk.

[opal rover]

maybe they're one of those colonists from that icarus colony

[jade hare]

Also, Nessa knows the names of the gray spiders too

Also @stuck imp I said that Bastion has a pilot

Maybe it's not controlling it from the inside but Bastion is owned by a human

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[jade hare]

Also, I don't think Thomas or 3V3R3TT is behind the mask. Their voice is different in my opinion

Also @stuck imp if you read chapter 6 and 7 of my story you would see some strangely similar things between the cinematic and the stories. It's like one of them is the start of the other one

Just saying

[stuck imp]

" Just sayin "

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mc-conaughey-dallas-buyers-club-coincidence-focus15-gif-8603942

[jade hare]

I have some plans for the future stories

Plot twists, new characters, new friendships, mutual enemies, new technologies, new incidents

The only problem is that I have no time to write the stories down and others don't have the time to read it or doesn't even know these stories exist

[stuck imp]

The remote-control device is a good idea, but I'm still doubtful about the possibility of assembling one in a scrapyard, then controlling two robots with it without training 🤔

[white sandal]

Very nice, hopefully they do more

[white sandal]

That sounds right because raven only has 90k od hp and the pilot loses 15%

[jade hare]

It only takes a little bit of imagination and magik to control those bots

Also, why isn't it possible to make that helmet? The scavengers built whole robots out of scrap. Also, Tal Mokri can control bots with his mind too with that augmentation so why can't I do the same?

[stuck imp]

Imagine the probability of finding the right components in a scrapyard first. Not all robots are equipped with that tech, and we can imagine it being already long gone from those machines : ATOM is certainly not alone searching for parts.

Now let's consider you found the parts : the android following ATOM manages to create such a device from memory, although he probably never made such an apparatus in its existence. He could scrape the web for blueprints, but then how to guarantee he can assemble the scraps he gathered following those blueprints ?

Now let's consider that the android managed to build the device : ATOM going from "moving a leg" to "the whole machine moves smoothly enough to transport a payload of eggs", in a single second, is quite impressive I find that a bit lazy too : ATOM never trained for such devices, and Icarus pilots equipped with it would certainly spend countless hours mastering the system, just like you would do if suddenly we replaced the keyboard of your PC with another thing completely different

[jade hare]

You are right about things but you forget things. ✨ The magik of not explaining everything. ✨

On the scrapyard there's everything you can imagine. Every kind of robot, module, drone, even motherships.

Scavengers can make everything without blueprints just like how programmers make codes without help. They make what they want with what they got.

ATOM has a backstory too so you never know if he used this kind of device before or not. What if he mastered it before he became a scavenger?

But I will rewrite it if you want that

[stuck imp]

And that's a magik I don't like when it's thrown into a story in a way that suggests it's all happening by mere witchcraft... As you can see there are too much elements that aren't explained and it leads to an incoherent narration. If the android knows how to build such a system, tell the reader about it ; if ATOM knows how to operate a neural piloting system, same thing. Right now it's just "well somehow he does it", which doesn't give credit to ATOM. Maybe it's just luck and he moves the legs while thinking of a random scenery

[jade hare]

Ok, I will write these explanations into it

I'm still a beginner writer so I can make mistakes too 😅

[stuck imp]

From my point of view it also makes an issue with credibility : explaining how they got there is a thing, but the reader may ask themselves what are the odds of the character having all the keys in hand to success... This situation with the neural piloting thing does seem to require a lot of backstory elements

[jade hare]

Wdym? 🤔

ATOM is 26 years old in the story and a little bit of his story is written in the Tupperbox bot. You can read it in the roleplay server if you want

[stuck imp]

The fact that the characters succeed four consecutive tasks without a single failure does seem a little pushed for a narration And that those tasks require them to have a specific background : how come ATOM would have learnt how to use such a specific neural control system ?

[jade hare]

ATOM was an Icarus member before so he could learn how to do these neural link stuff and master it. Later he remembers how he did it in the past and tried to do the same and it worked. But I can write some fails into it if you want

[lime kayak]

[jade hare]

Read my stories 🤡

5, 6 and 7

[lime kayak]

Yes, m'lord

[snow crypt]

what are you boys talking about?

[jade hare]

My WR stories...

[snow crypt]

alright hon

[jade hare]

@stuck imp should I write ATOM's story in a side story? Like 6.5 or 7.5?

[stuck imp]

That could work

[jade hare]

Maybe the story of 470M-X1's creation too as 7.5 and 6.5 could be ATOM's story 🤔

[lime kayak]

[jade hare]

The thing that I can't understand is that in 2140 Kyle encountered a Bastion and the Bastion won the fight and let Kyle go away. In 2143 someone is making another Bastion and the corporations want it's blueprint. Is there 2 Bastions now or the pilot lost it's first Bastion and he's making another one now? 🤔

Also there's the Gray Swarm and the Gray Robots with the Gray AI. Are they the same thing or they are different? 🤔

[stuck imp]

I believe they are different. Grey Robots are actual Corporate models, only piloted by some autonomous and hostile AI.
The Grey Swarm uses custom designs and seems much more organised around a precise leader, like a hive.

[jade hare]

Yeah, that's what I thought too because in Drew's story they showed actual robot models and not these modified spiders

[opal rover]

who the hell is atom

[jade hare]

🤨

[opal rover]

ATOM who are they

[jade hare]

A person

[opal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[jade hare]

An interesting person

[opal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[jade hare]

My character

[opal rover]

take that crap to ur roleplaying server

[jade hare]

Why talk like this?

[opal rover]

ok maybe that was a bit harsh lol

[jade hare]

Yes it was

[opal rover]

so the new cinematic with bastion says that after like a hundred days or so bastion is gonna be launched, does that mean anything?

[jade hare]

Boss fight

And new lore

[opal rover]

and also nessa chucking the blueprints into the pilot net

[snow crypt]

made a new page https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Grey_AI

[jade hare]

The question is:
Is this lore made by Pix itself or you made it? 🤔

[snow crypt]

about half of it is speculation, the other half comes from the gameplay side of them.

take everything that is speculation with a grain of salt, the page will be updated once we learn more.

[jade hare]

One thing I would suggest:
Delete the year

[snow crypt]

happy now?

[jade hare]

Yes. Bastion was there in 2140 so writing 2143 would be a lie

It's better not to write actual year numbers

[snow crypt]

i'm gonna have to harass alex for some actual lore now to make that page credible.

[jade hare]

Yeah. I still don't know how or why is there 2 Bastions. Or is there one 1 but it got destroyed and then they repair it? 🤔

[snow crypt]

the first could have been a predecessor to the new one, probably a redesign of the original.

[jade hare]

But then what happened to the og one in 2140? 🤔

They just threw it out?

[snow crypt]

i don't think so, do you know how hard it would be to dismantle something like the Bastion?

They probably did some upgrades and modifications, but they didn't tear it down to build it up again.

[stuck imp]

My question that remains : is "Grey AI" the same as "Grey Swarm" ? 🤔 We clearly stated a difference between the "Grey robots" (alongside their AI) and the "Grey Swarm" : the first are some sort of standard-issue war machines turned rogue and wandering autonomously (presumably), while the Swarm is clearly organised around a central intelligence and uses its own factory designs.

So unless the original "Grey Robots" and "Grey AI" have been retconned or clarified, I would still go carefully with those two names, as they might not designate the same things

[snow crypt]

i made the page on a whim, intending the grey ai to be a sort of umbrella term. You guys can edit the page and change stuff if needed.

[stuck imp]

Given that we don't have much info, the "Grey AI" may be a good umbrella term. But Grey Robots do seem to be another kind of machines compared to the Swarm

[snow crypt]

i'll add some sections to the page to denote the differences, once we have the necessary info.

[opal rover]

i think the grey robots have been retconned

[stuck imp]

[jade hare]

Let's wait and see what we will get from Pix

[stuck imp]

That would be so lazy to retcon the OG Grey Robots : they started as a pretty good idea. Robots wandering seemingly alone, ignoring the traditional mercenary rules ; although they should still have humans to take care of them, unless of course this is completely automated... There are a lot of lore possibilities with such a version of Grey Robots

[jade hare]

They can't just simply scrap them. They put them into Kyle's story where they killed Frank and Ragna, they put visual representation of them in the halloween story where Drew talks about them

[white sandal]

Might be a next level of swarm

As in wr the only way to counter bots is with bots yourself it would seam as there is very little else

[opal rover]

i have a question about u

[snow crypt]

what?

[opal rover]

are you F0XTRAUT

[lime kayak]

yes he is

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/F0XTRAUT's_User_Ideas
i have a further question about your new titans in this user idea page on the wiki, that is what the hell do they do like what are their abilities and stuff

[snow crypt]

i’ll elaborate on one of the titans i’ve made in the past.

The Spirometra is a titan version of the Leech. It has four betas and two abilities: Repulse Matrix and Magnetic Field. It will gain a small speed boost of 20% if it uses either one of its abilities.

The Repulse Matrix allows the Spirometra to lock onto up to 5 targets, when activated they will become leeched for 10 seconds. The will take 75% of the damage that Spirometra takes, while itself gains 25% increased resistance. The maximum range of this ability is 500m, and the targets will remain leeched until they exit the range of 600m. This ability has an 18 second recharge time.

The Magnetic Field is an AoE ability with a maximum range of 350m. When activated, it will deal moderate damage and pull enemies closer to the Spirometra regardless of where they are. This ability will last for 8 seconds followed by a 16 second recharge time.

[opal rover]

repulse matrix seems rylly op

also is this information on the page?

[snow crypt]

maybe, idk.

[jade hare]

I love how Sidekick wants to know more about custom robot and titan ideas but hates custom lore/stories

[opal rover]

i moslty meant this as a joke tho

[snow crypt]

I think I can say with some certainty, that SpaceTech owns the Stellar special editions.

[stuck imp]

Seeing that giant Sirius parading along the other Stellar bots, yeah that makes sense.
Although that Stellar Sirius is, if I'm not mistaken, the first Stellar edition actually on a Spacetech robot 🤔 The other ones being Cerberus and Phantom, as well as a skin for the Leech

Also what is that Hope it's only a statue...

Wait didn't send the pic ? 👀

Nevermind, bug on my side

[jade hare]

I think it's only a statue

It has a giant sword and arms too so I doubt it would be an actual bot

[stuck imp]

But it looks pretty much like it was built as a robot The joints, the architecture, and the sword could be a reference to the Seraph : it is a pseudo-humanoid machine

[jade hare]

I mean it is a bot but it wasn't built for combat. It's only job is to stand there

[stuck imp]

Either way it is not designed as a war machine indeed. It's just standing here looking good and shiny

But if that's a functional robot then it can be a clue about the pride of Spacetech : this Titan makes every robot look like an ant

[jade hare]

Also, I still don't know what relationship the corporations are in. Like they fighting against each other for resources but their pilots control bots from other factions

[white sandal]

Maybe it's a left over from the cataclysm

[white sandal]

It's not open war more like corporate sabotage using mech companies

[jade hare]

Still. It's like America would use Russian or Chinese tech

[white sandal]

Don't think it as country's think of it like masive business

You steal your competitors tech as it's better then yours, how do you steal tech when it's guarded by mechs? Well you follow Mechwarrior and use more and better mechs

[jade hare]

They don't always steal each other's bots. They sometimes buy them or trade them to other bots or steal the blueprints rather than the actual bots itself and make them better as Yan-di does all of the time

[white sandal]

Yan di is the best 🤣

They have all the wacky/cool ideas for bots

[jade hare]

"Ideas"
Stolen Phantom blueprint + little modification = Scorion
Stole Leech blueprint + little modification = Khepri
Stolen Orochi blueprint + little modification = Lynx

All of their new ideas are just stolen bots

[devout current]

they just like to borrow things

sometimes they don't return it though

[stuck imp]

sometimes they don't return it though

And canonically tech theft is in Yan-Di's DNA : they invented Stealth to protect their station and agents ; they developed Modules to fit technologies outside of one's domain of expertise.

[devout current]

they got really good at borrowing

[white sandal]

Shranga, ravana

[white sandal]

The long term kind

[jade hare]

Sharanga = big Fury

[stuck imp]

Big Fury but with a built-in Dephaser for another robot 👀 That remains a unique technology even to this day

[white sandal]

And a button for instant 50% firepower, there isn't something else that only does that

[jade hare]

Teleporting behind something then back was a unique thing too. Attaching yourself to another bot to give heal and other advantages was kinda a unique idea too and killing bots instantly when they are on low hp is a unique idea too

[stuck imp]

Yeah but they literally stole officially from the other Factions Of course they didn't copy-pasted the exact same thing, a few tweaks here and there to fit their own vision, but the technology and initial concept comes from other minds

[jade hare]

The next bot they will steal is gonna be a DSC one

[stuck imp]

Indeed that's the only Faction they didn't openly steal

[snow crypt]

can't wait for a new robot that can enter transcendence and throw a turret that can make other allies get a free phaseshift if they stand near it.

[jade hare]

They will make a unique bot that can go into transcendence and then explode and push robots away
Shell

[stuck imp]

Angler but loaded with TNT instead of Blind

[opal rover]

Spacetech Robots: Jumping and getting around quickly
DSC robots: Being hard to take down or making it hard for the enemies to take them down
Evolife: Support and status effects
Yan-di: Stealth/being annoying as hell
Icarus: ??? whats their unique thing aside from teleports

[jade hare]

Futuristic techs

[opal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[jade hare]

https://warrobots.com/en/posts/292

[opal rover]

their unique thing is advanced tech but literally everyone has advanced tec

[jade hare]

Still I think SpaceTech is the one that is not unique

[opal rover]

for me icarus just feels like the "we dont have anyother faction to put these bots in" faction

spacetech atleast has a unique thing with flight and stuff

[jade hare]

DSC: Military
Evolife: Bioengineering
Yan-di: Economics
Icarus: Technology
SpaceTech: Little from all of the above

[opal rover]

i mean from gameplay and stuff

evolifes bots are centered around support mostly but icarus?

[jade hare]

Teleportation

[opal rover]

teleporters can range from healers to beacon runners

[jade hare]

Phantom: Beacon runner
Demeter: Support
Revenant: Tank/brawler (idk)
Imugi: Support/beacon runner

[opal rover]

demeter used to be an evolife bot infact in its video its stated as an evolife bot

scorpion gets a pass as its a yan-di bot

icarus doesnt feel that distinct gameplay wise

mostly just hodgepodge of robots that dont really fit anywhere

[jade hare]

Well, I don't think the same

@stuck imp what do you think?

[lime kayak]

Nah

Icarus has it's own style

[opal rover]

what is it

[stuck imp]

Icarus does indeed seem to have the most diverse robots out there. Maybe their lack of focal point is their strength 🤔

They can innovate, but unlike other Factions they can do it in any direction

[opal rover]

spacetech can innovate in any direction to rienvent the ao jun tho

[opal rover]

#💬│wr-general message yes

[snow crypt]

do you guys think that seraph and aether could be used in space warfare, in the place of traditional space fighters?

[devout current]

how long could they fly before having to land though

[snow crypt]

if both robots in question used traditional fuel, probably quite a while. It doesn't take much force to fly around in space. If they used battery operated propulsion, like maybe an Ion thruster, then maybe they could fly around for way longer without draining the battery too much.

[stuck imp]

An ionic thruster wouldn't be appropriate for a space warfare I think : the endurance will not be a problem, seeing how such engines are used on deep-space probes ; but they have a very low acceleration, so your Seraph will take hours to barely reach even a low cruise velocity

And we shall not forget that those robots are also capable of atmospheric flight like a VTOL, which implies a more powerful engine platform

[opal rover]

can the flying bots actuallly fly much longer than in-game?

[stuck imp]

It would probably be safe to assume so. If a Seraph can activate its ability two times per minute with 15s of flight, that would mean approximately 5 minutes of fuel.... Which is hilariously low if we consider a potential military use

But we know for a fact that robots can have their abilities depleted, like when Pixonic told that the Mender had basically enough nanobots for a match but not much more

[opal rover]

when did they tell this

i always headcannoned that the robots sold to mercaneries are less powerful/handicapped than the ones owned by the corporations

[stuck imp]

If my memory is correct, they made a lore video at the time of Mender and Weyland where they basically revealed that whereas Weyland is an actual nanobot factory, the Mender only carries a limited amount onboard which is enough for a game's duration but isn't meant to last too long

[opal rover]

i dont remember that maybe its in their overview

where did u watch the lore video

[stuck imp]

Will try to get if for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qaYtKB3No

[opal rover]

where the hell was this

[stuck imp]

Rewatching that also tell me that Weyland also has a limited onboard stock

[opal rover]

where was this video

[stuck imp]

And we can guess that for all healers

[stuck imp]

On the official WR channel, but 4 years ago

[opal rover]

how come i never found it

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[opal rover]

well we now know what the repair nanobots look like

and their size

[jade hare]

Someone said magic?

[opal rover]

this vid shows the nanobots and their size

[jade hare]

Yeah, I know

The thing I'm thinking about now is this pilot

@stuck imp I'm gonna go crazy 😵‍💫

[stuck imp]

Is it an old or a new pilot ?

[jade hare]

New for Fafnir

Comes in 9.0

But the thing is

Pix is making my mind explode with these mysterious pilots. We have 3 now. The Employer from Team B, the Gray Swarm leader and now him

And you know that I'm writing stories so mysterious pilots give me more opportunities

Also, that's why that helmet was familiar to me. I remembered that I saw a similar one before

[stuck imp]

I only realise now that Captain Clyde is one-eyed and the left side of the helmet is fractured 🤔 But I think you're right saying the two helmets are very similar, if not identical

[jade hare]

Not identical but similar

[stuck imp]

Minax' one looks more textured than Clyde's one. They have the same inspiration but they are not identical it seems

[jade hare]

Yeah

Also, I would like to go crazy about my story lore but this isn't the place to do that 🙂

[little lake]

Uhh

[jade hare]

What's this? 🤔

[little lake]

Nvm it's working now

But I tried to access this thread and that happened repeatedly

[jade hare]

Interesting

[snow crypt]

in game files, the projectile speed of prisma is 3E+08 meters per second. Therefore, the Prisma's laser is faster than the speed of light.

[stuck imp]

Well it's "faster" only because the real speed is 299 792 458 m/s
Did they put the right speed on Flux and assimilate ?

Also 3e8 is 300 000 000 m/s in comparison

[snow crypt]

let me check

flux also has the same projectile speed as the prisma. Same goes for the blinders and any other laser weapon. They may have rounded up to 300 000 000 for the sake of convenience.

for weapons like calamity or cataclysm, the speed of their projectiles is 1 000 000 m/s. Which is way faster than normal lightning, being 186 000 m/s.

[stuck imp]

Now I'm curious to see if ballistic weapons have coherent speeds or not

[snow crypt]

Nashorn has a projectile speed of 700 m/s
Kang Dae has a projectile speed of 800 m/s
Spiral (and any similar homing missile weapon) has a projectile speed of also 700 m/s
Molot, Punisher and Gust (and other similar weaponry) also share the same projectile speed of 700 m/s
Plasma based weapons like Redeemer or Dragoon have a projectile speed of 800 m/s
"Thrower" type weapons such as Blaze or Bane have a projectile speed of 250 m/s

[devout current]

erebus about to start nuclear winter

[jade hare]

Aren't flamethrowers slower than acid sprayers? 🤔

[snow crypt]

good question

[jade hare]

Because in game you can feel a difference

[snow crypt]

weird, because the data here that I am looking at says that blaze, igniter, ember, toxin, venom and bane all have a projectile speed of 250 m/s.

[jade hare]

Interesting 🤔

[stuck imp]

Maybe it's just a placebo effect

[stuck imp]

Gauss series ? They are supposed to be much faster than average, the game data can tell the truth there

[snow crypt]

volt, weber and gauss have a projectile speed of 800 m/s. @stuck imp

[stuck imp]

Bruh I feel scammed knowing that a Railgun has the same velocity as a crappy ballistic cannon

[snow crypt]

the illusion sells well here

[stuck imp]

Military designs of the current era are aiming for more than 2000 m/s, so more than double the standard velocity of a cannon And with the WR technology we could actually reach that without self-destructing the cannon after each shot

[stuck imp]

What's even weirder is that in game it just feels faster than the old cannons We're observing the same phenomenon as with Acids-Flamethrowers

[snow crypt]

yeah, kinda feels like the mandela effect but not really.

[stuck imp]

Clearly if it's only an illusion then it's extremely strong so that everyone believe the Railguns and Acids to be faster than their other counterparts...

Could "corrective factors" be implemented further down the code to artificially increase velocity ? At least we would need to measure the speeds in-game but that sounds rather difficult

[snow crypt]

maybe fps, that has always been one of the factors.

[stuck imp]

Yeah using a variable FPS count as a graphic reference always bugs me in games...

Like in Call of Duty and such First Person games a higher FPS count increases your chances of hitting people... Because your display spends more frame on-target, increasing the chance that your shots actually connect

[snow crypt]

so it seems

[stuck imp]

But I'm still trying to figure out how FPS count can affect the speed of a projectile whose speed is hardcoded as a m/s velocity, not a "frames per second" travel speed Like, who calculates the position of the projectile : the server which has a fixed cadence ; or the players who may not have the same FPS count ?

[snow crypt]

the server I think, that way everything is consistent. The only thing is when you take the damage, not how fast each projectile is traveling.

[stuck imp]

I know that there exist bugs with projectiles being desynchronised between players, if you search #1037352718743896124 for the post I made on the Mars turret : the Mars player sees everything normal, according to my fellow clanmate testers, but from another player the turret bugs on its destination

[snow crypt]

then it might be a client side issue, where the opposing user may be running the game at a different framerate. I don’t know if there are any other internal issues however.

[jade hare]

You know you can tag forum channels too
#1045991873807917066

Idk what's the name of yours tho

[stuck imp]

Didn't know that 👀

#1085687411763322910

[white sandal]

What about the new ones the Chinese are building? They looked right out of star wars when I read a article about them years ago

[white sandal]

Maybe but I'd say not as a space fighter would be cheaper and more efficient

[opal rover]

what are defense points and stuff

[jade hare]

🤔

[stuck imp]

The funny fact is that at the very beginning, what we know as "defense points" were a specialized ability Falcon was the pioneer, and while today it kept the broken shield sign to tell it's in Attack mode, back in the days it did not have the blue Resistance symbol : no need for it, it was its special thing ! And you could tell it was a Falcon very easily with such a design, and also when the broken shield appeared on top of its head

[opal rover]

yeah but what are they in lore

[abstract flare]

According to the game, we got some hints about what it might be:

1. It can reduce effects of both kinetic and energy attacks, which I assume is some kind of reduce speed of projectiles and reduce/absorb heat. It seems not likely to be able to block of things because the amount of acid sprayed in robot’s hull remain the same.
2. There’re some kind of weapon that can ignore it to some extent. We have no clue how but it seem like to occur in all type of projectiles: bullets, rocket, energy, magnetic and the newest is sound wave. Since sound wave in robot’s sonic can’t ignore them, I assume that the secret here is in the gun, not what it shoot.
3. It can be reduced significantly by effects from Rust… I don’t have much to say here.
4. The explosion caused by Blast Charge effects ignore them, which I think it’s because the explosion happens directly on robot’s hull. So I theory that defense point’s effects do not directly occur on the hulls.

[opal rover]

i read somewhere that the defese points were like condesned atmosphere bubbles or something along those lines

i can kinda see them blocking projectiles a bit

and them being pierced by railguns

[opal rover]

but im not sure where i heard this of if its correct