Wr Lore

[jade hare]

Still, 3 years ≠ 1 year

Also, Seraph is:

Just to correct you in #🪐│scifi-story-lore

[stuck imp]

Rhooooooo I was the closest to the truth compared to 500m For two meters this is nitpicking

[white sandal]

Most of the people live on Mars wich has much much longer years then earth

[jade hare]

I know, we talked about it here @white sandal. But still 1 year on Mars is a little bit less than 2 years on Earth so 3 = 1 still seems wrong

[white sandal]

Not really to me, the first few years of the game were focused on game play so the start time of the lore is much later

And since there are no pilots and everything was driven by ai those first years could just be 1 year of testing

[jade hare]

Pilots were introduced in 2019 and this is when the lore came with them. They first said the year is 2142 and since then only 1 year has passed (2143) but in the real world it was 3 years

WR is 8 years old so for 5 years there was almost no lore behind it because there was no pilots but then they were introduced and they brought the lore with them

[white sandal]

True

[white sandal]

And why is this annoying?

[jade hare]

It's not annoying. It's just seems wrong. 3 years of events happened during only 1 year which is kinda sus

Our goal here is to find an explanation for everything that is related to the lore so we need to find one for this one too

[stuck imp]

Maybe because you can't explain one month of real time in a one-month event only with lore texts and hints 🤔 Look at us in roleplay, the server is up for maybe one year but our progress in time is still counted in weeks

[jade hare]

They aren't really 1 month long. Just imagine a Christmas here in real life. Now put that into the lore but with futuristic things and you get a Christmas event in the lore

[stuck imp]

You would need to hire a pro scenarist Pixonic certainly have one, but at that rate he would need to write lore on a daily basis

[jade hare]

I mean we write lore too but not every day 😅

We are the writers of the unwritten lore

[stuck imp]

Now imagine writing for each single day of the year, or at least to represent each day of the year. Your hobby becomes your prison

Like, if you skip three days, you must include them into your next lore update as they must be taken in account

This is a version of what you would want as your "real time lore", and it doesn't sound great

[jade hare]

No, you don't get what I wanted to say. I don't want them to write down every day. I just said that if 3 years passed in real life then they should put 3×event lore into the game. Because currently there were 3 Halloween events and 3 Halloweens in 1 year seems strange. But of course we can come up with multiple explanations like I did it too while writing this down

[white sandal]

You assume they have the sort of same calendar

[stuck imp]

In the lore they may not be "Halloween" or "Christmas" events, only weird times if the year For us players those events are strategically placed and disguised to the corresponding season, but for the characters inside the game it's just a normal day

[white sandal]

True

[jade hare]

Since Pix made real event lores only this year (OP stories) we can count the other events as 1 event. Like all 3 Halloween events happened at the same time. The fact that all 4 Halloween events were in a different faction (two of them are Icarus and Yan-di) strengthens this too. Each event showed us what happened in that faction during that Halloween

[tight basin]

That's weird

Seraph is much higher than destrier

But only 3m difference?

[snow crypt]

yeah that is also something that is inconsistent

similarly, the object scale of robots and weapons are usually closely related to what is in the lore.

though sometimes, the scale in gameplay is much different than in lore. Motherships are about as big as your average titan, even though technically they are supposed to be very large. This could be for many different reasons, but one i suspect is that most game devs don’t like to work with models that are really big, because that is just inconvenient, even though you could just scale it down or up later.

and for your information guys, one martian year is equivalent to 687 earth days. Each season on mars is between 150-200 days in duration (courtesy of nasa).

The reasons for multiple halloweens could be that the event is celebrated on multiple occasions during the season, possibly every 31 days. There could also be timezones on Mars as well, so the tracking of time may not be synchronous depending on where someone is on mars. As for the factions hosting the same event, could just be a matter of perspective on the day of the event.

[jade hare]

With this last message I feel like you said the same thing that I said. Both the "a year on Mars" and the "multiple of the same events in a year" 🤔

[devout current]

maybe it was a early mothership model

[jade hare]

Nah, he has a point there. Why make a big model when you can make a small one and then put a space related background behind it so it looks big

[devout current]

idk if it was a good mothership it wouldn't have crashed and become a map

[white sandal]

Maybe it was around pre cataclysm

[jade hare]

🤨

What are we talking about here actually? 🤔

[devout current]

well im talking about motherships

[jade hare]

We did it with Fox too. But we talked about the size of them in blender. They are the same size as a titan

[stuck imp]

There is a clear distinction here between "lore" size and "technical" size.

In the lore the motherships have to be enormous in order to house more than thirty robots, Titans, Drones... And also all the resources a pilot can get.

On the technical side of things, as for now motherships are never used outside of the hangar view, they made a tiny model to avoid taking whole gigabytes on a single useless model

[jade hare]

Exactly

[devout current]

well yeah but i was saying maybe it was a older version of the mothership

or a scrappier smaller illegal black market variant

[jade hare]

No because all mothership have that size. Even the newest ones. There are smaller motherships in the lore but they aren't really motherships. They are just... battleships or just ships

As you can see here

They are from this wallpaper

You can see multiple smaller ships around the motherships

[devout current]

why is frozen corn so much smaller

[snow crypt]

perspective

[white sandal]

And that might not actually be a real photo more like a propaganda poster

As it taking out 3 ships at once seams like a hero shot

[chrome merlin]

Solar panel-like thing for wings? dosen't look stable to me

[snow crypt]

so it seems that some bases on Mars use three blast doors, also new pilot for imugi.

[stuck imp]

She holds drugs

[jade hare]

Where did you find that? 🤔

[jade hare]

And Trixie did drugs

[snow crypt]

twitter

[jade hare]

Ah, I see. I don't use twitter

[tight basin]

Possible faction?

She looks like she belongs to evolife

[snow crypt]

she is evolife, who else would wear a personalized lab coat and gloves?

[jade hare]

Otto 🤡

[white sandal]

If she is the special pilot for the new bot probably from the same faction wich I think is yang di

As they get all the weird bots

[jade hare]

The robot is from Icarus tho 🤔

[white sandal]

Oh that's interesting

[snow crypt]

the new pilot for Imugi, Mao Ling will be able to restore Durability and increase the resistance of all allies in a small radius after landing.

[jade hare]

Nice

Poor guy. Who's gonna tell him?

[devout current]

you will in a very complicated way

[jade hare]

Nah, I don't talk in #🪐│scifi-story-lore but actually I would totally do that

[tight basin]

Duality of atom

[devout current]

dm it to him

[jade hare]

Imma spam his dms with text walls which tell the whole story of WR

[devout current]

this is the way

[tight basin]

I wonder if they'll add the rest of the modules

[snow crypt]

where'd you get that?

[white sandal]

What is the first module?

[tight basin]

before modules where added, i guess?

[tight basin]

1st, 3rd, 7th, 11th, 16th is not available on the game

I wonder what the initial idea when they Made those modules

3rd looks like the first concept of airstrike

[white sandal]

Or a anti armor shot

7th looks like a advanced heal

11th looks like a heat vent so maybe it refreshed abilitys?

16th looks like a dash booster

[white sandal]

And 3rd looks like a anti physical shield wich would match up with shield braker (bypass)

[tight basin]

Or an anti resistance module 🤔

[peak hare]

yo is tradinalist on fenrir worth it?

[abstract flare]

Absolutely not since you have to use shield mode. We already have Woft that add 50% for Fenrir but it can still turn on Resistance.

And this is lore channel so I think you should ask it in general or question channel

[devout current]

give him the lore explanation on why it's worse

[jade hare]

I found these modules too way back and others too. I made some of them into custom modules

I can still find some of those unonown modules online but I just can't find the rest

[white sandal]

No because that bot isn't old enough

[jade hare]

Ah, I found the rest of the modules too

[snow crypt]

since apparently it is an option for a pilot to become a traditionalist, that means their robot will lose flexibility in favor of increased resilience to firepower. In the WR world, it is suggested that any pilot will find success if they have a great degree of skill and flexibility.

not being able to do certain things, or outright refusal to carry out certain tactics, will only put the pilot at a disadvantage against other pilots that use more diverse and effective tactics that could make the pilot's robot quite useless or less effective. No matter what the trade off is, every robot is built around their ability, remove that and they become a glorified walking gun platform with excessive amounts of durability, which it may not need.

But then again, deciding to go for Traditionalist may just be a form of improvisation for the sake of having a tank last a bit longer on the battlefield. And perhaps, its primary ability is not needed in that case.

[jade hare]

@devout current here's your lore related explanation

[devout current]

oh dear i did not expect fox to follow through

[jade hare]

We do all sorts of crazy things

[devout current]

evidently

i wonder how pilots can reconfigure their robots

[jade hare]

Like how people can do the same to cars maybe 🤔

Adding/removing parts and stuff

[devout current]

oh yeah tiers would limit the amount of space they had to cram stuff in

[peak hare]

lol my bad

[snow crypt]

if someone asks a question in this thread, then they should expect to get a lore answer.

even if it is not as expected.

[snow crypt]

y’all ever heard of laser magnets?

apparently, you can use a focused laser to generate a short lived, but very intense magnetic field. We already have this technology today.

can’t wait to see tractor beams in wr.

[stuck imp]

This catches my attention actually 👀

Using light to generate a magnetic field

[snow crypt]

had to dig around on Google to find anything on it.

“Laser-generated magnets: Laser-generated magnets are magnets that are created using a focused beam of laser light. They are typically very short-lived, but they can be used to generate extremely high-intensity magnetic fields. They are used in a variety of scientific and research applications.”

oh yeah, also, the wings of the seraph and Aether may have been made with Permanent Magnets. So a magnetic field controlling those wings might not be the only thing.

[stuck imp]

The problem with permanent magnets is that their magnetic field is not controllable and they are subject to de-magnetization over time, which is a critical issue. I rather think that they use electromagnets instead, which can be computer-controlled and do not risk de-magnetization

And the robot transmit electrical energy through the void separating the wings and the body, which is already a thing nowadays (wireless energy transport)

[devout current]

do gargantua and pantagruel count as tractor beams

[stuck imp]

They are rather described as "magnetic weapons" which could simply use oversized electromagnets canalised into some sort of "barrel" to increase range 🤔 Also we don't see lasers coming out of the weapon, and their shape isn't evocative of the concept of lasers. If Pixonic wanted the players to know about the tractor beams they should have at least put a word about it in the weapon description and/or the shape and functions of the weapon. Currently it resembles more to a vacuum cleaner rather than an experimental tractor beam

[jade hare]

Yeah, they are vacuum cleaners. Even Tofsla said it

Imagine a weapon that could slowly pull the enemy robot towards you while damaging it and if he tries to move in other directions then it would damage the bot even more

I will write this into my ideas 🤔

[stuck imp]

A singularity cannon 🤔

Welcome to space magic

[jade hare]

Why magik again?

[devout current]

the most reliable answer is magic as always

[jade hare]

Yeah but we can always come up with a detailed explanation

The weapon is kinda like the vacuum cleaners (big electromagnet) but stronger so it pulls the whole robot instead of just tiny parts of it. And some parts of the robot come off easily so the robot gets damaged but if it teies to move in the other direction that the weapon is pulling the bot then the robot gets even more damaged because those parts that come off a bit harder will come off too because -> -> makes less force than <- ->

It's like grabbing your friend's hand and walking on the street (you both walk in the same direction) and tearing apart an apple with your hands (you pull it in 2 directions so the apple breaks into 2 pieces)

[stuck imp]

So an even bigger version of Gargantua and Pantagruel

[jade hare]

But with a visible laser beam and only 1

Like this:

Demeter and Khepri takes damage from lava because of the extreme heat

[white sandal]

That would be very had to balance

[jade hare]

I don't think so 🤔

I mean it wouldn't be made to kill robots, just to pull the robot. So you could mix builds like a shotgun build + 1 of these weapons

[white sandal]

You pull a red out of cover and get your team mate to light it up

[jade hare]

You can't really target an enemy if you don't see it

That means these weapons don't work on enemies who are behind cover

[white sandal]

Still works, you just have to see them

[jade hare]

But if you go behind cover the weapon doesn't gonna do anything for you. Not gonna damage you and not gonna pull you closer either

[white sandal]

Neather is fast enough to get around cover

Ravana would be very hard to stop it doing that as well

[jade hare]

But the weapons would pull you slowly. Like with the speed of a gravity aplified bot. You know when that purple circle is around your legs and you barely move

[white sandal]

Yes my shranga knows all about grav amps

This should be discussed in #1037352718743896124 tho

[snow crypt]

oh yes, lets have a mountable beta Gravity Amplifier that just stacks Slowdown on everything within 75m of the titan and do no damage. The effect will keep stacking on enemies, so long as the amplifier has ammunition left.

The amplifier has a maximum capacity of 30, and takes 15 seconds to fully recharge, it is not a reload-while-firing weapon like Cinder is.

put two of those on a luchador with maha-vajra and you have a titan with powerful crowd control capability.

[devout current]

imagine a minos rushing in and freezing everyone

[white sandal]

"Fantastic"

[jade hare]

How did we get here? 😅

[chrome merlin]

2 of those on a nodens and 2 blinders and it would be the ultimate support robot

[white sandal]

No because you would never get close

[devout current]

it would mix better with cinders

[jade hare]

Yeah

Minos with 2 Cinders and 1 of these

[devout current]

heimdall with 4 of them would pair well following cinder minos

[jade hare]

Yeah

[snow crypt]

what we don’t have is titan artillery weapons

[devout current]

titan zenits

[white sandal]

Some more longer range guns would definitely be helpful

[white sandal]

I'd like titan kvk's (nashorn) since striker is like trenchbucket

[jade hare]

Striker = Shocktrain

[stuck imp]

It's the illegitimate son of Trebuchet and Shocktrain, on steroids

It shoots further than Shocktrain and doesn't require the lock-on, traits coming from Trebuchet, but mechanically it is an oversized Shocktrain with a reduced arcing capability

[white sandal]

And most importantly it's fun to use

Half the reason I got shranga as my titan

[stuck imp]

I got myself back with Cyclones, the good old forgotten weapon that everybody spits on 😂 The Alpha counterpart seems to have a little bit more respect though, I don't know why. But it's fun to see Orochis trying to escape my Minos as I got Radar + Cyclones for absolute aim Kinda fun to play despite being a plain oversized Scourge

[white sandal]

I use vacuums on my shranga and scrap lots of stuff

[snow crypt]

i'll one up you lezard, I still use cataclysm ao ming.

[stuck imp]

Oooooooooo that's a very bold move

Old weapons + Old Titan

[snow crypt]

got about this much hp, plus 60% damage resistance.

[white sandal]

Shranga go brrrrrrr

[snow crypt]

I had an ai attempt to figure out victoria’s personality from her backstory. Here is its response.

“From the backstory provided, it can be inferred that Marie is a determined, adventurous, and ambitious individual. She idolizes Olga Minina, and was inspired by her to pursue her own path of adventure and excitement. She is also resourceful and independent, as she passed the entrance exams to the Main Icarus Pilot Academy without using her father's connections. Her experience in patrol duty and colony protection has made her a skilled and confident fighter, and she is not afraid to take risks. Furthermore, She is also shown to be cunning and secretive as she hides and uses the secret document describing a unique robot building system, this can be considered as a sign of being a disobedient, rule-breaker and someone who doesn't follow orders blindly.”

[jade hare]

And this is true

[devout current]

victoria?

[stuck imp]

Sounds rather like Marie Leclair 🤔

[devout current]

probably a typo

[jade hare]

For some reason there are 3 versions of Peregrin Raine 🤔

Also, I never seen this pilot before in the game. Who could this be? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Peregrine's middle image is just the one of a gentleman

[devout current]

budget darth vader

[jade hare]

It's supposed to be a generic mayor pilot, whatever that means. So it's not a LP

[stuck imp]

The helmet has the same kind of visor that we saw on the wallpapers posted some time ago 🤔 May be a Spacetech pilot

[jade hare]

It is a SpaceTech pilot but why does it called mayor and why does he has this cape?

And why didn't we saw him in the training center yet?

[stuck imp]

Maybe for a later update, but already in the files ?

[jade hare]

Nah, the file was in there in 8.3 and I think before that too

And the fact that it's just a normal pilot and not a legendary says a lot too

I think they just forgot it? 🤷‍♂️
That's the best I can think of

Also if someone says "the real story of wr" again I will spam his dms with the lore

[snow crypt]

if you guys recall back to the event that first introduced the kitsune harpy with yang lee and nian, that pilot appears as a mayor of a settlement that nian was attacking.

[white sandal]

Oh maybe they come back for revenge?

[jade hare]

Ah, so it was made for that event 🤔

[stuck imp]

I'm thinking of something right now : you said about the New Year event last year that Nian attacked a settlement (Spacetech ?), but was it on Earth or Mars ? 🤔

Because we keep saying that Mars is a peaceful place without conflicts, but I have no records of colony settlements on Earth other than Evolife Sanctuaries... So if Nian attacked a colony on Mars, it is not as peaceful as the propaganda tells us 🤔

[snow crypt]

Nian works independently from EvoLife. While technically the factions are currently in peacetime, that does not mean that there is no conflict.

it is suggested that Nian does have her own people that carry out raids against these settlements, mainly for resources.

[jade hare]

I should try to make some logos for these independent groups 🤔

Also, why does the icarus male3 and female4 looks the same? 🤔

Also, do you see something strange?

[stuck imp]

The magic of placeholders

[jade hare]

This is why I think the Boss is an Icarus member

[stuck imp]

Icarus or ex-Icarus 🤔 As even outside of their Faction those important people keep a distinct aesthetic

[jade hare]

Also, I remember this girl from years ago. She was always in some pop up offers or something like that

[stuck imp]

🤔

[jade hare]

Also, there's the leaderboard guy.
I found him @snow crypt

[snow crypt]

yeah and there was the 2018 halloween witch chick too

[jade hare]

It's strange how Hank is a legendary pilot but this guy isn't

[jade hare]

There were a lot of side characters who isn't in the game anymore

[snow crypt]

there is always the potential of bring them back

[jade hare]

Yeah but some of them are not in the files...

[snow crypt]

no they aren’t, but they do exist in the splash arts.

[stuck imp]

Hank

Hank's Black Market - Special edition weapon deal an additional DoT damage at each shot, proportional to inflicted damage (5%)

Side note : this makes each bullet deal 25% of its own damage in DoT over the 5s, which is pretty sick. And this accumulates with SE weapons having DoT built-in

If it's unclear this is a a custom thing I made in two minutes Not a leak lol

[snow crypt]

alright then, do the leaderboard guy.

[jade hare]

If someone could be a fusion pilot then it's Hank
He literally owns the black market so he can make all sorts of fusions with the robots he couldn't sell

[snow crypt]

sellers don’t simply become producers

[jade hare]

If you search "war robots pilots" on google you can find some pilots that were never in the game and some that were in the game but not anymore

[jade hare]

Yeah but Hank is a legendary pilot (according to the game) so he needs a robot. What if he made one for himself?

[snow crypt]

if he has a monopoly on the blackmarket, he would have more than enough money to buy any robot on the market.

why make one?

[jade hare]

Because making one is more fun because you can customise it and it can be more powerful than any other bot

Hank loves every parts of the robots (you can see this in the trailers where Hank talks)

[snow crypt]

yeah ok

[stuck imp]

[Leaderboard guy]

Underground Contacts - Active modules cost less Power cells to activate and their cooldown is reduced (25%)

Basic

Oh and what if they cost less Gold too

[jade hare]

Trixie Hope be like:

[stuck imp]

If you're out of PC

[snow crypt]

just like his leaderboards

[stuck imp]

Trixie Hope is only for Healing ones

[jade hare]

I know

[snow crypt]

it’s funny how we don’t have a single pilot that provides hanger-wide buffs.

[stuck imp]

Leaderboard guy has access to more resources

[jade hare]

This guy looks like an Evolife member but wears Icarus armor

[stuck imp]

Imagine stacking them to have full bonuses

[snow crypt]

we the players draft a team of 6 pilots, we should be able to provide some kind of buff as the team captain.

[stuck imp]

That's an Icarus cloak though 🤔 Although an Evolife guy is standing in front of him

[jade hare]

New thing in the game:
Commanders
They provide hangar buffs (buffs to every bot). They work like pilots but you can equip only 1 per hangar and they can be equipped to the titans

[jade hare]

I know but look at the face. Green eyes and some green scars on his forehead. The Evolife armor is a different person

[snow crypt]

imagine if you could customize the buff, choosing from a list of equally useful skills.

[stuck imp]

Or what about designing one of your robots to be the hangar captain ? And requiring to be played (almost) every game to keep it's abilities at full power : if you don't play your Captain, his troops lose their trust in him 🤔

[jade hare]

That's just a commander 🤔

[jade hare]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yZRgA6nEVWQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[snow crypt]

the commander could easily pilot the titan, if they die, then the rest of the pilots lose their bonuses from the commander.

[jade hare]

That's why you should play your titan at the end

[snow crypt]

i do the exact opposite of that smh

[jade hare]

Looking at this I just made a whole new timeline in my head

Maybe I will write it into my stories 🤔

So, this is your Commander. It's basically you so they don't have an appearance. You equip this to your titan and then select the skills. Your commander will level up just like a pilot but the skills apply to every bot in your hangar including the titan too. If the titan with the commander dies the buff will disappear so it's suggested to play your titan at the end of the match

[white sandal]

That would make titans basically never deploy

[jade hare]

Why? If you want the buffs to last longer then you play with your titan as your last bot but you can deploy your titan before all of your bots die. At the start low level players would exactly do that. They wouldn't know about how commanders work so they would deploy the titan before their robots die but champion players would do both. Some would risk deploying the titan in order to win in a hard situation but some would just do what seems like the best option

[white sandal]

Many bots now are better then titans

[jade hare]

I know but what does this have to do with Commanders? 🤔

[stuck imp]

If you can buff your hangar of 5 Spear Khepri then why bother deploying a Titan at risk to lose your buff ?
This seems like a good idea, but in fact it's kinda counter-intuitive.

But the same applies to your robots if one of them becomes your Captain

[jade hare]

I get why deploying titans seems worthless now even more but the buffs are there for the titans too + stating "bots are better than titans" have nothing to do with this commander thing because bots are still better with and without the commander buffs. Let's say the bot does 1
5m damage and the titan does 1m. With the commander buff they would do 5.1m and 1.1m so everything would stay the same

Bots are just better than titans 🤷‍♂️

[stuck imp]

Actually I had an idea earlier about that : your Captain is a regular pilot (restrict to Legendary maybe ?) which will have a special trait to buff your hangar. The buff will stay active even if the robot is destroyed, but it will have an variable power : the more you play your Captain and his associated robot, the more powerful the ability becomes ; but as you start not playing the robot for a few games this ability will be tuned down with time 🤔 This will entice the players to deploy a specific robot to keep their bonus.

And now an instant thought : what about the robot is chosen at random at the beginning of the match ? To spice up things a little bit ? So the Captain ability becomes common to the whole hangar and follows the same principle, except that you cannot predict on which robot it will end up. And if you don't deploy it the ability weakens until you deploy the right robot

[snow crypt]

a passive ability that can scale?

[white sandal]

Maybe skills that the titan pilot has can effect bots as well

Like better lock on skill for example

[stuck imp]

Just like how pilot abilities gain power between their level 1 and 10, which rapidly disappears I agree but still exists. You play the right robot, you increase that rank, good job ; you don't play the robot, you lose the rank. This can be a fancy way to partially avoid having 1 strong robot in the hangar, encouraging having multiple available options...
This may sound like heresy in WR : splitting resources... But it's not fun to see a guy in Silver crush everyone because he got 1 Mk2 Seraph among Leos and Natashas.

[snow crypt]

it just depends on the player

[jade hare]

Should we start thinking about Victoria B's full name? 🤔

[jade hare]

She is an icarus member if I'm correct and her family is rich because of this text: "with a family tree heavy with diplomats and all the resources and skills". The B can either refer to Baros or Basarab but we can't really connect these because we don't know Roberto's faction or his family's status and Anna comes from a rich family but she is from Yan-di so 🤷‍♂️

[devout current]

what about victoria bob

[jade hare]

[opal rover]

yesh, lore thread

[jade hare]

Yeah

[opal rover]

ok so first of all wth is the cataclysm

[jade hare]

The Cataclysm was a disaster at the start of WR. Nobody knows exactly what it was but we have some ideas

[stuck imp]

Some invoke a meteor that crashed on Earth and began a chain reaction ; others simply believe it's our own avidity that blew up the planet with radioactive accidents... In any case, Earth is now impossible to live on without special conditions, notably because air is believed to not be breathable anymore

[jade hare]

~~Earthlings also known as Terrans be like: ~~

[stuck imp]

Actually they might have found ways to purify the air at least at a local scale... The Evolife Sanctuaries on Earth are of such a prowess, and the Earthlings/Scavengers could have replicated the technology

All parts of the world may not be the same on that point of view too

[opal rover]

wait hold on if the air isnt breathable then htf are the scavengers are a thing

also in team b the characters made no mention of earth ai rbeing unbreathable

[stuck imp]

Well, when we talk about a radioactive cataclysm at the scale of a whole planet, that even forced the population to flee on Mars, you know we are talking about something serious. Indeed the sources we have don't ever mention that, but that's what makes the most sense to call a planet "inhabitable". We know everything is destroyed, and by extension that the environment is too.
Also we don't forget we are talking about a game using debatable realism, which can explain some inconststencies

[opal rover]

also where was earth air being unbreathable ever mentioned

like did some character in one of the operatio stories remark about the air being unbreathable or something

[stuck imp]

As I said, the official sources never mentioned that. But I hardly see anything else being coherent with what all other clues point towards

When the people of a planet is forced to leave their homeworld, that's because the situation is dramatic. If something could be done to fix it, they would have fixed it...

[opal rover]

would be a cool event story thats basically somme character finally telling us wth the cataclysm was

like what would force humanity to leave earth but didnt completely change earth into a wasteland

[stuck imp]

This is where holes begin to appear 🤔 This would be interesting indeed

[opal rover]

i honestly wish there was a story based campaign

[jade hare]

Yeah, that would be cool

[opal rover]

i'm actually writing my own campaign (or more accuratly a fan-fic) its nowhere near finished and i havent even written it down anywhere, just a bunch of ideas in my head

[jade hare]

Nice. Keep going and you will achive great success. I'm making my own stories too. I already made 7 but you can only read I think 4 of them now 🤔

Yep, only 4 is out yet 😅

[opal rover]

one idea i have for a chapter in my campaign that short version: You and an army of mercs are hired to take over an evolife base in antarctica, a few days later everyone is panicking as a rogue autonomous nodens is rampaging through the area and a mothership is crashing onto the base

[snow crypt]

an interesting idea... though I think the most lore accurate, large scale campaign. Would be a Earth Reclamation campaign, carried out by both Yan-Di and EvoLife. This was actually an event...

[opal rover]

my idea was just for one chapter

[opal rover]

also perhaps a few more details/info on the reclamation thing, i could write a chapter or something inspired by that

[snow crypt]

go read this - https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Event_Lore:_2022_Yan-Di_Earth_Reclamation

[opal rover]

where the hell was this on the wiki

[snow crypt]

Pilot Lore, somewhere near the middle of the page.

i've actually bothered to create a whole campaign and storyline with just this event alone.

[opal rover]

so thats were it mentions the air

[snow crypt]

it's mostly just pilots speculating... nothing really concrete.

[opal rover]

also the fact that marie asks if we even know what the cataclysm was possibly implies that it itsn't known what caused it or not everyone knows

[snow crypt]

like someone said earlier; everyone either doesn't know or they have their own theories.

[opal rover]

of course the guy who was alive when the cataclysm hit saw it religiously

ok so apperantly its climate change

and its not apperantly

ok so why does no one in this universe know what the cataclysm is

like did they just wake up one morning and oh look the earth is chaos

[jade hare]

I mean even the oldest pilots weren't there when the Cataclysm happened

[opal rover]

actually chester (the legendary pilot for loki) was there

[jade hare]

Yeah but his story doesn't say anything about it

Also there's a chance that he's already dead...

Considering he was there when the first DSC ship landed on Mars which was in 2085 and the current year is 2143, that's 58 years and he had life before and after this 58 years too so he is either really old or dead

[white sandal]

Or he had stuff to prolong his life

[opal rover]

my guess he is only alive to die on earth

[opal rover]

also i dont think pixonic has ever said he's dead yet

[jade hare]

No they didn't but his story is leading to that

[opal rover]

until they say so he's alive like every other pilot

[opal rover]

https://api.warrobots.com/storage/content/pictures/746/content_halloween_loader.jpg do you guys ever feel like the loading screens and posters are telling a story like for example this one

like what are those robot hands and the things in the containers and why is an angler there fighting the hands

[jade hare]

Yeah, I always find a little story in these wallpapers

[white sandal]

That's probably the PvE image

[jade hare]

No

[opal rover]

ok but what are those things in the containers, they kinda look like octopus

i cant really find more wallpapers, no one seems to bothered to save them

[jade hare]

I have some wallpapers but not all of it

[jade hare]

I think they are in an Evolife facility and those are some kind of experiments

[opal rover]

care to show some of them?

[jade hare]

Currently I can't but I will ping you if I will post them

[opal rover]

k

[jade hare]

Also, there's no other wallpaper with those aliens or similar to that

[opal rover]

strange

[jade hare]

Every wallpaper is unique

[opal rover]

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Hawk?so=search if you go to the gallery section of hawk's wiki page there are 2 pictures depicting a battle in a volcanic area, i think they're depicting the same event

[opal rover]

i feel i should also note that the angler poster reminds of another poster, i dont remmeber much of it aside from it having a loki i think

[jade hare]

Yeah, it's similar

[jade hare]

Oh, the blue Loki? 🤔

[opal rover]

?

[opal rover]

yeah that one

[jade hare]

It was a halloween poster from 5.5

[opal rover]

tho why is angler being sent to an evolife facility to do something destructive

angler is an evolife robot

[jade hare]

Maybe Markus is piloting it

[opal rover]

anna's pilot lore says she's a collecter of things right?

[jade hare]

Yeah? I don't remember it now 😅

[opal rover]

i know there is a video that shows the story

just search her up on youtube

[jade hare]

I know, I saw it already but I don't remember every detail of it now

It could be Nian's friends too or Sylvia Thorn

[opal rover]

the poster was for 2022 halloween

[jade hare]

I know

[opal rover]

and as far as we know no-one associated with nian pilots an angler

[jade hare]

Yeah but there are big holes in the lore so everything is possible

[opal rover]

tho i wouldnt be surprised if she was involved given her hatred of evolife

could it be possible that the facility the angler is attacking is owned by some rogue evolife scientist, we know they exist as soren is one

[jade hare]

Or the other way around. An Evolife facility owned by the government and rogue people attacking it

[opal rover]

hijacked an angler and shenanigans ensue

also raiding an underground evolife base would be pretty cool mission for a campaign

[jade hare]

Every event operation story would be good as a campaign

[opal rover]

tho whats the deal with the containers

[jade hare]

Earth Reclamation day, Lunar New Year with Yang Lee and Nian, Scavengers Rising, Cruel Warm Winter with Nessa, Yan-di horror show with Markus and Anna

[opal rover]

they clearly have something in em

[jade hare]

I just had an insane idea

[opal rover]

what is it

[jade hare]

@stuck imp heyo, do you have time?

[opal rover]

i was thinking it could be star was clone army vs droid army scenario

icarus has ai that can pilot bots without pilots

[jade hare]

I'm thinking about gray robots

[opal rover]

evolife or someone asociated with them is trying to do the same thing but with whatever is in the container

[stuck imp]

What about ? 👀

[jade hare]

Evolife making alien like creatures and putting them into robots to pilot them and kill everyone

[opal rover]

the angler poster

scroll up

[opal rover]

angler attacking something with containers of weird things in the background

[jade hare]

The mystery behind gray robots

[opal rover]

you arent suggesting that the container creatures are controlling the grey robots

[jade hare]

Pacific Rim crossover

[opal rover]

i'd honestly like to see more crossovers

[stuck imp]

Actually I don't remember if I made that public on our roleplay server, I know at least Alpha knows that; but some time ago I imagined a way for Evolife to get around (partially) the need for complex AI in their robots. They are the experts in genetic and organic engineering, right ? Then why not use animal brains to control complex systems ? Evolife knows the secrets behind every single particularity of the brains, they can learn and adapt themselves quickly and without reprogramming, and we can even imagine some robots having a primal behaviour overriding the pilots at certain moments.

So by using those brains in jars they get around the need for complex computers and analysis softwares, that they might get from third-party organisation, so they can remain in their enclosed bubble of influence. I think that fits Evolife too, as a reclusive Faction

[opal rover]

it also fits the hivemind/bee colony theme

[stuck imp]

We can indeed imagine some sort of interface that could connect a network of those brains together. And in that situation they only need basic computers as interfaces, not entire server bays and AIs

With that scenario, they reinvented "OA" : Organic Intelligence"

[jade hare]

The only issue with this is that do they even have animals? 🤔

[opal rover]

OI acutally

[opal rover]

a normal pilot story mentioned the said normal pilot smuggling things like exotic pets

plus thers a good chance some animals made their way onto the spaceships

[jade hare]

Yeah, Duncan has a cat like pet

[stuck imp]

Pfft yes 😂

I mixed up

[opal rover]

O.I there

[stuck imp]

They only need DNA

[opal rover]

humans are animals

[stuck imp]

Why to grow an animal when all you want is a brain ?

[opal rover]

and we have brains, tho our actions suggest otherwise

[jade hare]

Still I think making a whole new organism is better because you can make it perfect

[stuck imp]

And yes, all this brain thing is very dark compared to the clean work of AIs from Icarus and Spacetech. But hey, we're not in a pink world, it's a world for survival. And Evolife has a knowledge long-forgotten by all other Factions

[stuck imp]

That's in the range of possibilities

[jade hare]

I mean WR was always dark...

[opal rover]

amalia was chucked into the outside of the colony to die

plus a lot of the pilots where orphans

[jade hare]

Just look at the shape of those alien things. It's kinda like a head/brain and some tentacles. The tentacles could be there to connect the brain to the robot's different parts so the alien has complete control over it

[stuck imp]

The recent presentations of Spacetech robots (Seraph and Aether notably) do seem from another world. Until Nether decides to ruin the day... I think that lore-wise the Factions do't want to show a dark world, which could make sense

[stuck imp]

Why call it an alien if it was designed by Evolife But yeah they can totally create a lifeform 100% the shape they want to be the most accurate

[opal rover]

what do u mean from another world

[stuck imp]

"Survival of the fittest" is something Evolife is certainly into

[opal rover]

"life, restoration, all those other fancy buzzwords evolife loves so much"

[stuck imp]

According to the tone employed in those presentations, everything i nice and shiny, the robots fly gracefully, and all is good. Where in fact there is a literal war on Earth, pirates and mercenaries around even in space and on Mars

[jade hare]

The faction don't want to show their dark sides but all of them has one.
DSC: human experiments eith the X serum
Evolife: human experiments with everything
Icarus: human experiments with AIs and augmentations
Yan-di: Only the rich ones should stay alive and have a good life
SpaceTech: 🤔

[stuck imp]

🤔

[opal rover]

tf they doin

[stuck imp]

Oh yes, nuclear accidents
Spacetech is notorious to conduct hazardous research

[jade hare]

See, all of them has a dark side

[stuck imp]

In some normal pilot lore (the blue ones) we learn that entire colony sections have blown up to a reactor gone wrong

[jade hare]

Oh yeah, and the radiation weapons are from them too so it makes sense

[stuck imp]

So if nuclear accidents are a thing, we can extrapolate that to a global unsafety in their research

[opal rover]

also dsc being a survellance state

[stuck imp]

Yes they have shiny and powerful weapons, but how many lives did it cost ?

[opal rover]

god imagine what happened in the phase shift experiments

[stuck imp]

In theory it's Yan-Di that invented Phase Shift, but we can ask the question anyways

[jade hare]

Who cares as long as they can win the war?

[stuck imp]

I think we just cornered Spacetech's vision on that

[opal rover]

also did evveret canonically create nether

[jade hare]

No? 🤔

[stuck imp]

And yes DSC being a totalitarian state in general is much larger than just conduction some experiments on two test subjects

[opal rover]

does anyone have everetts full story

[jade hare]

I still don't know why DSC is trying to do human experiments when it's Evolife's job 🤔

[opal rover]

the overview hints that

[opal rover]

simple create the perfect obediant soldier

[opal rover]

DSC: human experiments eith the X serum
Evolife: human experiments with everything
Icarus: human experiments with AIs and augmentations
Yan-di: Only the rich ones should stay alive and have a good life
Spacetech: Chernobyl

[jade hare]

But all of their experiments gone wrong and they are out there in the wild now

[opal rover]

um soren did it

[jade hare]

The Redacted Twins, River Chase and who knows what else

[opal rover]

lets not forget about pixonic

[jade hare]

The only faction who don't have a dark side is Scavengers

[opal rover]

i dont think they can really be classified as a singular facton

[stuck imp]

They can't even find a robot in one single piece Major downside

Also wandering on the wiki right now, we learn in Chester Coen's story that Earth becomes somehow habitable again recently... 🤔
Updating core data : Earth is canonically habitable

[opal rover]

wasnt it always habitable as the scavengers exist

just somewhat less habitable but managable

[stuck imp]

Well it seems that at some point it became inhabitable. Which surprises me is that it became habitable again afterwards

[jade hare]

I mean it's full of plant again. We know this from maps and wallpapers

[stuck imp]

Plants can adapt faster than humans

[opal rover]

you couldnt really go in chernobyl a few months after the explosion right

[stuck imp]

And some plants live in environments humans would just die

[jade hare]

Not a real faction but yeah. They are a sub faction

[opal rover]

but now cherbobyl is actually a really big place for wildlife

probably something like that but on a larger scale

[stuck imp]

Plants and cockroaches can reconquer pretty fast, but larger organisms take much longer. Humans would take centuries if not millennia to adapt to a hostile environment in a permanent way 🤔 This is my point here, seeing plants doesn't specifically mean that a place is suitable for humans

[opal rover]

immediate exposure to such things causes quick adaptation

[stuck imp]

An adaptation the human being cannot make. A human generation is about 30 years, insects have that in like one week ? one month ? Evolution goes through successive generations. And if you mean a "quick adaptation" as in "the survivors just survive", then it's not suitable to fit en entire population in there. You cannot call such a place "habitable"

[opal rover]

i dont mean like genetic adaptation

i more mean like culture and behaviour

[stuck imp]

Well you need survivors first

[opal rover]

bunkers

[stuck imp]

The Scavengers for example

Yes bunkers. But is that place habitable if you live like a mole 24/7 ?

[opal rover]

peregrin's grandfather couldnt have been the only one to make a bunker

[opal rover]

i dunno peregrin seems to be doing fine

[stuck imp]

I want to make the distinction between a "survivable" place and an "habitable" place. A bunker makes for a "survivable" place ; a land where you have wildlife and space for crops is an "habitable" place

[opal rover]

its entirely possible that waiting out the aftermath of the cataclysm was possible in someone's lifetime

plus they have much more advanced tech than us

evolife sold a lot of genetic stuff before becoming a psuedo country

[stuck imp]

Well, to Chester Coen proves your point right away : he survived from the first DSC colony to his return on the now-habitable Earth

[opal rover]

one of them was really good crops

[stuck imp]

But what I want to understand is how it became habitable again

[opal rover]

genetic modification on self

or fancy devices that clean radiation no matter how that isnt possible maybe

it might not have been possible to chuck humanity into a bunker for a generation

but the earth could be cleaned somewhat

[stuck imp]

You have to imagine that Earth was shaken by a large-scale accident that forced everyone to leave, and the most plausible hypothesis is a nuclear disaster because radiations are canonically involved. 99% of the remaining humans fled on Mars where the five colonies prepared a "habitable" space, in the sense that it is sustainable, leaving only mercenaries fighting for resources and the ancestors of the Scavengers. We know it took a few years for everything to settle, Evolife created Sanctuaries on Earth before the departure on Mars, but the rest is a dark hole in the story

If Earth could be cleaned, by who then ?

🤔

[opal rover]

other people who managed to get their hands on fancy tech

before the cataclysm

[stuck imp]

So people who stayed on Earth like Peregrin's father ?

[opal rover]

also world govenrments maybe

[stuck imp]

I think governments are things of the past in the WR universe

[opal rover]

i dont think back then on earth, now on mars yes

[jade hare]

The Terrans are there too

Earthlings...

[opal rover]

there had to be atleast 1 normal government before the cataclysm

[stuck imp]

If the Scavengers and the Earthlings survived the same Cataclysm, why are they two different groups of people ? 🤔

[opal rover]

arent they just scavengers

[stuck imp]

They are not the same people according to ATOM, and I think we proved it and/or it is canon knowledge

[jade hare]

Terrans were always there on Earth and lived like the old humans.
Scavengers are mercenaries who chose to live this life or left behind by their squad on Earth

[opal rover]

isnt that just for the pilot scavengers who just so happened to use to be martians

aside from peregrin

[jade hare]

Peregrin is a pirate now but yeah

Scavengers and Earthlings are still not the same people. Scavengers are nice while Earthlings are territorial. They have different techs, Scavengers use the same robots as other factions on Mars but Earthlings have their own bots

Bastion

But for now I need to go. Goodbye everyone 👋

[opal rover]

scavengers are written about, earthlings i didnt even know exist

[jade hare]

Read Kyle's story and watch some old WR lore videos on youtube

[stuck imp]

Gooooooood night 👋

[opal rover]

i seriously doubt the earthlings are still canon but i need to got the sleep

[stuck imp]

Good night too

[opal rover]

so uh what's everett's full story

[stuck imp]

I don't know, and it's not on the wiki yet

[jade hare]

I want to know that too

[opal rover]

no youtuber is bothering cuz otto spear ether

[jade hare]

If you want to get 3V3R3TT's full story ask champion players

[snow crypt]

hmm

[white sandal]

Where is that from?

[jade hare]

What's this? 🤔

[snow crypt]

two Ais that I am training

[devout current]

the new event is focusing a lot on the artificial parts of evolife

[snow crypt]

ironic

[stuck imp]

I love how they casually speak like gentlemen

[snow crypt]

i've been trying to give them appropriate personalities. It is quite hard to figure out the personalities of war robots in general, if they ever had one.

[stuck imp]

Well, they don't get to talk very often. Best you have access to is like a "feeling" of how it would behave based on design and abilities

[snow crypt]

yeah

[jade hare]

Karura Aether is like a godlike/holy guard/guardian/knight who protects the people.
Kraken Indra is like Davy Jones.

[snow crypt]

I think I have somewhat nailed the personality for Karura Aether. Kraken Indra i am still working on.

[jade hare]

It's aggressive and sly like a trickster

[snow crypt]

what about nether?

[abstract flare]

Troller who love prank but sometimes a bit too much

[snow crypt]

alright, what about Kitsune Harpy?

[abstract flare]

I think it is smart but superior, somehow love to show off itself. Also love stay in high position but unlike its sibling, it’s less careful.

[stuck imp]

I imgaine Bulwark as being the old white-haired veteran still using like a bolt-action rifle, when automatic laser guns exist 😂

[opal rover]

https://i.redd.it/469u958nesj71.jpg (not my screenshot) Any lore to dig from this, namely why is a zmej murometz seeminly attacking a city

[stuck imp]

🤔

At first glance this doesn't seem very lore-rich

Indeed a Murometz is bombarding a modern city

The Revenant seems onto a rooftop though 🤔

[snow crypt]

not every piece of splash art in this game can be considered lore

[stuck imp]

That's what I was beginning to think, seeing nothing really interesting apart from the scenery itself

[jade hare]

Maybe it's just a battle scene 🤷‍♂️

[stuck imp]

Random thought of the day : how do Motherships can provide Aegis and Nanobots from orbit ? 🤔

My personal and non-verified hypothesis for the Aegis is that it temporarily overloads the robot's internal defense systems, allowing it to gain this energy shield. This also explains why it doesn't recharge over time, as it's only "bonus" energy given to the robot that will eventually deplete. The hypothesis of transmitting energy over long distances seems quite plausible in the WR universe, the concept of energy shield being itself a futuristic feature.

But for the Nanobots I'm kinda stuck : how to transport those things along with the Aegis impulsion, without them dispersing into the atmosphere or scattered on the whole battlefield ? The hypothesis of a canister launched from orbit could make sense, only if it didn't take two seconds to drop : at such high speeds from an orbital spaceship the capsule would just get incinerated in the atmosphere before even touching the ground.

[opal rover]

how does viper corrode enemies agian

[stuck imp]

With Viper we can imagine a function similar to corrosion but more in line with the Energy type it has. Something like electric arcs or excess discharges could damage the hull after each impact, replicating a DoT effect without really meaning corrosion as an acid. And whatever Midea Nerium tells you

[opal rover]

wait the corrosion on physical weapons is an acid

i always thought the sting and wasp weapon's bullets had metal eating nanobots due to scorpion's video

[stuck imp]

Midea Nerium's backstory describes an "improved acidic substance found after each one of her kills" (basically, maybe not word-to-word). And I think she comes from before the Acid weapons came up, leaving to assume that the traditional DoT weapons could fire acid-loaded ammunition. As even the very first DoT weapons came with the current Corrosion logo, unchanged since the days of Sting and Wasp

[stuck imp]

Actually that may be an element towards multiple technologies behind the DoT effect 👀

[opal rover]

scorpions video states that the built in weapon launches shells that contain metal eating nanobots

[stuck imp]

Lemme check something real quick

Okay, Midea Nerium came out before the Acid weapons were relased with Revenant (she appears between Ghost and Johanna Flynn in the wiki list). And her backstory clearly mentions a "strong vegetable acid" as well as : "... until the enemy's robot begins to collapse under the influence of an unknown substance."

🤔

[opal rover]

i rewatched it and i'm correct

[stuck imp]

So we have at least 2 distinct technologies behind the corrosion effect 🤔

[opal rover]

how do the homing machine guns get their bullets to well home in on enemies

[stuck imp]

Something that would seem right is that the Energy-type weapons could use that nanobot thing, while the ballistic ones use the good old acid

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[opal rover]

wait how do the energy weapons carry nanobots

[opal rover]

i kinda imagined it as it shooting a bunch of tiny missles

[stuck imp]

Same standstill as with the Mothership orbital Aegis strike 🤔 Because energy rounds are not supposed to carry nanomachines, unless the projectile itself is in fact made from those only machines

[opal rover]

that would make sense since regular robots can go into energy shields no problem, well atleast with the shield itslef

but then they get blocked by aegis and absorber

[stuck imp]

coherency.exe ceased to respond
incoherency.exe is opening multiple windows

[opal rover]

i have a theory as to why we never need to worry about ammo in-game

[stuck imp]

👀 go ahead

[opal rover]

the battles simply dont last long enough for that to be a problem

[stuck imp]

Simple and efficient

[opal rover]

I have another theory relating to the freeze rockets

they get their ammo by getting water vapour in the air and cooling it

rime atleast has weird fan things near where the rockets are shot

[stuck imp]

I think that war machines need something more potent that just water. But the principle is indeed to project a cloud onto the enemy hull to freeze it

[opal rover]

wait so why is the cloud blocked by basic energy shield if flames are fine

[stuck imp]

Because said could is still inside a rocket for it to travel so far. Flames are based onto the principle of a flammable liquid that is propelled forward, whereas the cryogenic rockets only emit a cloud of cold liquid, which would not have time to travel very far before being completely ineffective. So it is carried by a rocket to reach the enemy hull

[jade hare]

Now that I'm here I can tell me theories about all these things above:

Mothership Aegis and Nanobot heal: Every robot has magnetic fields around it so when the mothership overcharges the robot it gains enough energy to make an Aegis shield. For the nanobots the mothership converts the nanobots into energy and then reconstructs it on the ground when they reach the robot (we talked about this material conversion into energy before when we talked about teleportation and fusions).

Corrosion in different weapons: Kinetic bullets like Wasp and Sting has small containers inside them containing acid, Scorpion's tail has metal eating nanobots and maybe Orochi has that too, Viper could use this metal eating nanobot combined with the energy conversion thing that I talked about before.

Homing machine guns (we talked about this before): They either shoot little homing rockets as bullets or nanobots that follow the enemy and then damage the robot.

Freezing rockets: The rockets have containers inside them that are full of cryogenic fluid (liquid nitrogen).

[stuck imp]

I shall bring a minor correction to Orochi and my doubts/perplexity towards the Nanobots.

Why would Orochi use the Nanobots thing while the rockets could contain the exact same technology as the bullets, so an acid capsule ? 🤔 This is only a minor thing, as in the end it does the same thing.

But your explanation of the Mothership Nanobots strikes doesn't quite make sense to me : yes in the WR universe we seem to know how to convert energy into matter and vice-versa. But why would a robot incorporate such a system along with all its already existing systems, if it wasn't even made to have such a system in the first place ? And we're talking about generating enough nanomachines to repair more than 30% of your hull integrity if not more depending on the robot... Within one single second !!!! Even Mender cannot heal that much with dedicated Nanobots systems, so this system overload and Nanobots "factory" onboard has a major flaw towards the rapidity required. Energy alone isn't enough when the robot doesn't have the capability to produce Nanobots ; and a primitive system isn't coherent with the amount of healing occuring

If you're talking about the Mothership itself transforming the Nanobots, how the heck can it control something at the nanometric scale from hundreds of kilometers 🤔 And through an atmosphere, among a battlefield and maybe on a moving target

[devout current]

would a trebuchet work in the wr universe

if they worked on siege walls they could probably do some heavy damage to bots

[white sandal]

They probably have KWKs on the walls of city's

[devout current]

i don't think the bots can target trebuchets or if they recognize it as a threat

[white sandal]

Oh you mean catapults

Scavs definitely use stuff like that, it's a very easy way to hit things hard

[devout current]

they could also be easily disguised as ruins

[jade hare]

Wdym by that? The ship converts the nanobots to energy, aims at the bot, it shoots the beam and when it reaches the ground it converts it back and then the nanobots do their own jobs at repairing the bot

The ship has all the nanobots and then it transfers it to the ground. The bot does nothing with the nanobots

[stuck imp]

So I'm asking : how does the Mothership can control the reversion of Nanobots from energy, the ship being in space and the data beam requiring to cross several layers of atmosphere without interfering with anything else 🤔

Transfering energy and controlling a nanometric transformation, both from orbit, are not the same deal at all

And don't think that the Nanobots will magically reverse to "bots" state from "energy" state upon touching the ground

What has been done needs to be undone, and a spontaneous back-transformation cannot happen after you forced the initial reaction : if the robot has nothing to do, then the Mothership controls the entire reaction from orbit... And asks the question whether such nanometric control is possible from such long distances and through an atmosphere known to have electromagnetic phenomena

[jade hare]

The beam itself turns nanobots into energy so when the beam is over the nanobots convert back? 🤔

[opal rover]

nanomachines son

[opal rover]

so from i can gather the mothership has an ai that commands the nanobots on what to do

[opal rover]

also a bit opff topic but jesus when is icarus gonna get a new titan

their only titan is minos

[stuck imp]

Well, when you turn your potatoes into mashed potatoes, they will not return themselves into their original potato state. You'll need some operations to get there again ; the Nanobots beam may work on a similar principle, they are turned into energy that is transmitted to the target, but then once touching the ground there is no reason for them to turn back spontaneously to their original state 🤔

[opal rover]

they can do it themselves???

[stuck imp]

So we're talking about a far superior technology than all that has been described so far

[opal rover]

who knows the tech somehow stuffed into those writing crutches

[stuck imp]

But that's entering in the hypothesis that the nanobots are much more advanced than we know, and that could redefine so many things 🤔

[opal rover]

how do reflector shields work

[stuck imp]

Okay. In the "official version" of the lore (copyright to Ksiro) :
The Reflector shield consists of an array of minuscule turrets concealed onto the robot/titan's hull. When the system activates, the small turrets will try to intercept incoming projectiles, as well as counter-attacking on the origin of those projectiles. Multiple flaws of this theory include : those cannons are invisible in-game (Ksiro said himself that they were too small), they can stop even advanced energy weapons like Scourge and Prisma although this doesn't make any sense (blocking light and electricity with bullets seems totally legit), the caliber of the guns should be ridiculously weak when considering their minuscule size, so we can ask ourselves about the damage inflicted to the attacker

[opal rover]

maybe the energy given to the glass thing either kinetic or whatever from the bullets powers the writer's crutch also known as nanobots

[jade hare]

With this message I meant that the beam a special beam that converts nanobots into energy because the nanobots are designed that way. Like a solar panel and sunrays. When the sunray shines onto the solar panel the solar panel starts do make energy but when to sun goes away the solar panel stops making energy.
If nanobots enter the beam they convert into energy but when they leave the beam they go back to bot mode because of their design

[opal rover]

no i mean that the energy given of from the weapons powers the nanobots not converting them into energy

[stuck imp]

Our personal version we agreed on in roleplay is the following : rather than unrealistically small turrets, we exploit the full power of the WR universe and introduce a new type of energy field. Compared to Aegis and Absorber that try to block incoming projectiles, the Reflector field only partially deflect the projectiles so all damage cannot be blocked. However, the debris and absorbed energy is deflected and redirected to the attacker, with of course less power than the first shot. This theory fills almost all holes left by the "official" theory, while seeming coherent within the WR universe ; I mean we have Forefield now, and we imagined that before Seraph came out

[jade hare]

I'm still with Ksiro's idea
But the upgraded version

[opal rover]

i'm going with that for my campaign

[abstract flare]

I have a weird theory:
Actually there are full of nanobot in the robot hull but they only work when they get a type of power that’s provided by healing bot, mothership or module. That can explain how Demeter transfer damage to heal, it absorb energy from attack and transfer it to that type of power. The power might be something new, different from electric, light or heat (these thing damage robot or visible)

[jade hare]

Nanobots that protect the bot from incoming damage and teleporting other nanobots to the enemy that damaged the attacker

[jade hare]

Demeter has Absorber shield which is why it can convert damage to heal. The absorber energy becomes some kind of boost to the robot. In Fafnir's case it boosts the b.i.w

[stuck imp]

I mean who doesn't have a Healing Unit nowadays So your idea is that there are a stock of "dormant" nanobots only waiting that big fat impulsion to wake up 🤔

[opal rover]

ok so within the canon of wr how is the explanation for this status effect for a group of bots i came up with good
So the effect is called withered in-game its a lot like blastcharge except no aoe and heals the status effect applier, the robots that apply withered send waves of nanobots to tear metal of enemies but the nanobots only tear the metal of when theres a significant number of them on an enemy

like would this make sense

[abstract flare]

Yep

[opal rover]

basically everyone when u include stuff like the mechanic skill

[stuck imp]

With that hypothesis the Mothership would be only a fat battery in orbit, only waiting to deliver the electroshock to the nanobots onboard I mean it works, not the way we expect it

[jade hare]

Bruh, I just looked at the channels and I saw the vc

[abstract flare]

I wonder who is hunting

[opal rover]

how good is this as an explanation?

[jade hare]

It's good but I don't see why would this new effect be more effective than blastcharge

[stuck imp]

So a DoT but with an activation threshold 🤔

[opal rover]

its exclusive to a group of bots (so far 4), not everyone can apply it

[opal rover]

its more like blastcharge that can heal u

[jade hare]

So it's just an actual Leech 🤔

[opal rover]

they* but yeah

[jade hare]

You steal hp from the enemy

[stuck imp]

Actually I don't see why it requires a "blast" activation, a continuous effect like Gargantua would better fit the idea of a swarm of nanobots wrecking the target's hull to repair yours. There would be an activation threshold (requiring several stacks before giving any valuable effect), but once past that value the efficiency would grow as the target stays exposed long. There would be an upper limit, but it doesn't need to be immediately reached

[jade hare]

I get that there's only some robots that can apply it but the effect is what we are talking about so it's easier to say it instead of they

[opal rover]

i feel instantly apllying it to a fashion like dot would be a bit op

plus i just like the blast idea of activation mor

[stuck imp]

Imagine DoT but it doesn't do anything until you reach X stacks : so for a few seconds nothing happens, then after that cap the HP steal would increase until a maximum value. I think you can do multiple variants of that system : the Blast version for the light skirmisher, and the DoT-like one for the tank that can facetank many seconds with the ability running

[abstract flare]

Indra connection and green effect from healing might be the type of energy. While green one only send normal energy to active nanobot, blue connection from Indra is trickier and actually cause nanobot to out of control and damage the hull.

[opal rover]

isnt that literally just blast with the doesnt do anything until x stacks just with a new coat of paint

[abstract flare]

Note: we can already control things by just simply send energy nowadays.

[stuck imp]

I think we know canonically that the green waves on hulls are only the scanning system 🤔 We never get to see that actual nanobots in action

[jade hare]

Also I still don't know why would we have thousends of nanobots inside our robots if we already have a lot of things inside it that take up the space

[opal rover]

maybe they're just that small we can fit loads of other things in the bots

[abstract flare]

But they also appear when Mender ‘split’ them everywhere or when Nightingale use a huge green zone. That’s not like used to scan

[jade hare]

Gameplay visual effects

[abstract flare]

Got it

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-a-point-gif-21949559

Those green waves may be actual nanobots waves

[opal rover]

i always kinda assumed that

[jade hare]

The King of Conplain vs Mr. Complicated

[stuck imp]

I talked about the green scanning effect on robots hulls to be the scanning system, like with the Mechanic skill alone for example

[opal rover]

i think the canonical meta in the wr universe is a lot more diverse than in-game

like the only reason fenrir is viable nowadays is cuz of bernedatte

and the reason fenrir has extra durability with her is cuz canonically that fenrir is literally pirated and doesnt has its aegis shield

so she put extra armour on it

if she can do that to her fenrir then who knows what other pilots could do to their bots

suddenly cossack being op might actually be true

atleast canonically

[stuck imp]

In our roleplays we indeed go wild on things impossible for the game. We take some freedom

[opal rover]

imagine a cossack that can deal damage with its jumps like mercury

[stuck imp]

But it remains a Cossack so pretty fragile. We have freedom but we base ourselves on a somewhat "balance" of things

[opal rover]

how do the titan diet lockdown shotguns work

[drowsy fern]

why is there a hawk in drone hanger but i cant use it?

[stuck imp]

It's your manager's one

[drowsy fern]

then why is it always there does he never use it?

whats in the other parts of the mothership we cant see?

[jade hare]

Cargo space, the captain room and stuffs like that

[opal rover]

could u have a gaming pc in a mothership

or a fully out gaming room

[abstract flare]

Sure

It’s large

[opal rover]

i honestly love to imagine a bunch of guys in the motherships in a gaming session while the pilots on earth are waiting to be picked up not knowing they've been ditched

[abstract flare]

“Dude, I need to be healed and protection, send Northlight”
“I can’t pause it, it’s online game”

[opal rover]

plot twist they're playing war robots

[abstract flare]

Tanker? Monarching their house!

[jade hare]

I think people in 2143 doesn't even know what gaming is

[opal rover]

hell no there had to be atleast one guy who brought his wii

[opal rover]

what if war robots the game is like war thunder of the Wr universe

[jade hare]

If they don't know what a pencil and a cassette is then they don't know what other things are. They even forgot what Christmas is

[opal rover]

if the sol network doesnt have video games then i feel bad for them

[jade hare]

Sol network was created for people to have social life, not for people who want to play games alone

This is the Sol network

Also, I want to learn how to draw like this so I can create my own stories like this

[opal rover]

what are those guys supposed to do then

plus u can play video games with other people

the solnetwork probably doesnt allow custom avatars or avatars in general or else everyone in that pic would be a furry or weeb

[stuck imp]

They just live a human life but in another world. Think of the Metaverse but generalised in the society. If Icarus has the most advanced of such systems in the WR universe, I think that all spheres of society rely on virtual worlds to sustain the people's desire of a true life. Humanity has so much things to rebuild on Mars, do they have time for video games when you lost your planet ? Even the technology-driven colony of Icarus seems to value humanity over pleasure, as if they can virtualise an entire world they could create games as easily

[opal rover]

i mostly meant it as a joke, plus some yan-di rich guys probably have some games

[stuck imp]

Maybe the whole notion of "game" changed. Remember the Yan-Di Showdown ? Entertainment pushed at its limits for sure, people fighting in war machines for the society to have a spectacle. There are maybe still "old" games here and there, but they don't seem to be an important part of the society in the WR universe

[opal rover]

imagine how future humanity thinks of our internet memes

[jade hare]

Normal life = pleasure in the sol network. On the picture you can see people having fun, dancing, eating and drinking. That's what pleasure means to them

[jade hare]

That's true. The closest things to games would be Showdowns. People making tournaments and other people watch it

[opal rover]

could the showdown have a practical reason for existing

perhaps disguised training?

[stuck imp]

Yes, that's human pleasure ; not solo playing an adventure game. That's maybe something unexpected from the colony relying 24/7 on computers to survive, they try to replicate a normal human life despite their capabilities in computer science and their isolation from each other

[opal rover]

the roaches in the icarus technology colony wandering why the weird legged apes are just lying on the floor

[jade hare]

Winning a tournament = rewards. New bots, money, "better" life

[opal rover]

i mean for military

[jade hare]

Knowing the best pilots and then controlling them. They give rewards to them, the pilot works for the faction

[opal rover]

what

[jade hare]

The people who makes the showdowns will know who the best pilots are. Then the showdown makers give rewards to the pilots. In return the pilots will work for the showdown makers

[opal rover]

could martian humanity access the internet or atleast a replica archive of it

[jade hare]

Let's say every faction has an archive. There are multiple access tiers there. Higher tier means more information. So there's no such thing as internet there

[opal rover]

they probably know about the internet as something that existed/the ancestoro of the solnetwork

[jade hare]

I don't think people on Mars know things like this from Earth 🤔

[opal rover]

atleast the highest tier must know

the average commoner probably doesnt

[jade hare]

Because if they know about internet then they would use it

[stuck imp]

If you talk about our nowadays internet of the 2020s, I don't think it survived 120 years in the future. The servers probably stopped working on Earth near 2080 with the Cataclysm, with no interest to put them back online. Although you remember in the Halloween event we got to learn that the "Dead City" is one among others of people entirely digitalised into huge server bays underground, left forsaken after the Cataclysm : maybe the last persons to know about the Internet as we know it 🤔

[opal rover]

they digitilized them to preserve the memes

absolutely based

[jade hare]

Also, Chester Cohen is a really interesting person who has so much potential if we talk about lore but sadly he doesn't

[opal rover]

also according to peregrin's lore the corporations caused the cataclysm+it happened in south america

[jade hare]

He saw the Earth before the Cataclysm, he was a Control Committee member and a lot more

[jade hare]

It's in his stories or in some event lore? 🤔

[opal rover]

was alive before the cataclysm as a street urchin, manages to sneak his gang onto the arks, became a control comittee member, escapes to yan-di station, becomes a mercanery piloting a giant mech

[opal rover]

pilot lore

https://warrobots.fandom.com/wiki/Pilot_Lore:_Peregrin_Raine?mobile-app=true&theme=wiki

[stuck imp]

Yeah Chester is that wise old man who got overlooked... He departed the Earth in the 2080s, he climbed the ladder of the DSC society, then he managed to disappear completely before returning to Earth. This man is a living archive of the Cataclysm, but nobody talks about him in the game. All light is onto all those young and fresh pilots who certainly know only what's said in history books (if those still exist). Chester lived the history told in the books

[jade hare]

You trying to use my own creations against me

[opal rover]

and he's just a glorified buff to an annoying mech option

[jade hare]

So, we now know where the Cataclysm started and when

[opal rover]

also peregrin is a gamer

[stuck imp]

I mean the Loki isn't a bad choice for the character : the robot can literally disappear, as Chester disappeared in his life. Sadly this robot isn't under the spotlight either

[opal rover]

now we need to know just what happened in south america

probably has to do with the amazon

[jade hare]

We still need to finish this game 😅

I thought about it a few times but I'm still making the full timeline in my head

[opal rover]

would it make sense for alika renner to like ally with samuel

like her whole thing is that she is angy cuz she is actually sad all the time

samuel wants to rid emotion

[jade hare]

Nah, I think they wouldn't be good friends

[opal rover]

samuel can rid her of her pain

[jade hare]

Alika wanted to find his father but he died. Alike then became a bit sad because her entire life was about finding her father but it was for nothing. But then she joined the group that her father was in and now she is fine

[opal rover]

ok so she's fine now

[jade hare]

So there's no reason to find that emotionless mech spider human

[opal rover]

barring the whole she cant feel sad literally

[jade hare]

Losing a loved one and being sad after it is good in my opinion because it makes you a human. If you lose someone and don't feel pain then you are not a human

Samael is a bad guy and Alika is not really so that's another reason why they wouldn't be good friends

[jade hare]

SpaceTech is really active nowadays in terms of making new robots 🤔

[stuck imp]

"With some DSC inspiration" 🤔

[opal rover]

honestly kinda hyped for sirius i just hope it wont have abilities stacked onto abilities (cough cough luchador)

also jesus when is icarus gonna get a new titan

[stuck imp]

Minos forever

I mean what's next : a teleporting Titan ? A Titan Retribution ? Or some other crazy stuff unseen ? 🤔
To be honest Minos is kind of in the "unseen stuff" category for an Icarus design, its abilities were completely new within the Faction. Which honestly only had Teleport as a funky mechanic at the time, and the Pantheons

[opal rover]

i have a titan idea thats both a retribution and teleporter

retribution weapon is machine gun

[stuck imp]

icarus_copy_paste_ultimate.exe

[opal rover]

it's a fusion of the pantheon bots and phantom

[stuck imp]

I always forget that Titans have 2 abilities, which can lead to much more complex designs than just one

[devout current]

it's more like one main and one backup or secondary

[opal rover]

also how do u think a spider titan should look to still have 4 legs but not getting stuck everywhere

[devout current]

like indra

because it wouldn't be able to go anywhere on maps like carrier

[opal rover]

i think it's legs would move like invader

[devout current]

good luck trying to get the scaling correct

[opal rover]

indra with 4 invader (esc) legs

[devout current]

yup seems about right

[opal rover]

also how canon are special editions? Like we have some that are referenced in pilot lore like ardent blitz but then theres retro

that thing looks too dumb to be canon

can u imagine going into a big battle that could possibly be your last and then you just see a retro

[stuck imp]

Some special editions like "Experimental" and "Composite" seem somewhat compatible with the normal version. But among others, the "Stellar" one for example is clearly out of focus regarding a robot warfare

[opal rover]

so the moore silly or out there probably arent canon unless said otherwize

[devout current]

probably one or two in circulation like the kraken indra

[stuck imp]

Maybe some crazy designer on Mars or wherever makes those special editions totally legit, but we have no clue. And some other variants are more borderline like the "Ardent" series and skins

Which creates exceptions and irregular cases

[devout current]

bernadette wolf's story shows that some pilots can modify their own bots

maybe they want to make it look shinier

[opal rover]

clive's story reference ardent blitz

albiet indirectly

[stuck imp]

But the weapons do seem a little bit silly, like the Ardent Viper 🤔

Same level as Stellar on some points

[abstract flare]

But what is the logic behind increase damage for se weapon

[stuck imp]

||Money||

[opal rover]

gameplay plus it wasnt a thing until like a month ago

[abstract flare]

Yep, and it is so dumb that it become unexpected

[opal rover]

tho i could see some weapons like the acid throwers being made more acifid by their modifiers

[stuck imp]

More seriously, an explanation could come in the form that those weapons are very well-made (maybe hand-assembled for some ?) and thus benefit from enhanced components

[devout current]

but how would augmented scald work

the thing is literally a cabbage slug

[stuck imp]

That could be an entire other design

[opal rover]

gameplay puroposes

[devout current]

ah that's no fun for the lore

[stuck imp]

Indeed. This game has too much gameplay artifacts, and surprisingly (or not ?) more and more of these tend to come up with new content

[opal rover]

that one guy redesigning his titan

[devout current]

so many goofy limited weapons

[abstract flare]

In 2069, if Pix somehow make the game survive to that point, newbie will have to take a whole lecture to understand the gameplay

[jade hare]

The key for a good theory is imagination

[stuck imp]

The gameplay artifacts don't stop to skins and special editions, it's like how the Reflector technology described by Ksiro realistically lacks half the functions it has in-game, on top of being not very interesting for a defense system. So we improvised

[devout current]

why does a stronger reflector completely stop a luch in its tracks though

and how can it reflect mid jump

[opal rover]

so like we've discussed its likely certain things in wr are converted from physical things to energy and reverse right?

[abstract flare]

There’s 2 ways that can explain everything:
Game function
Magic
Reality bending

[opal rover]

could like robots and titans have a generator that creates energy that is then converted into ammo and stuff?

[jade hare]

The stellar SEs are part of a sub faction that make normal robots into crazy looking machines. They use dark matter (or other type of energies) so their weapons do more damage 🤯

[devout current]

i like option 2

[abstract flare]

I don’t think so. It might work on energy weapon but for kinetic and rocket, it isn’t.

[stuck imp]

Option 3 : Magik Special Edition Magic, has 5% more magic in it

[abstract flare]

Especially for complex bullet like hmg

[opal rover]

It costs 40000000000 to fire this weapon, for 12 seconds

[jade hare]

It doesn't work like that. You need a solid thing to convert it into energy and then you can convert it back. This theory could work but only if they would convert ammo into energy, then they would store it in the bot which converts back the energy into ammo

[devout current]

secret option: limited edition magic, 10% more magickal

[opal rover]

yeah i suspected that

[jade hare]

But Yeah that's a good theory

[opal rover]

what wr posters do u think have a lot of potential lore things to examine

[opal rover]

solution to ammo problem? Big batteries

[devout current]

plot twist: nuke amps are giant duracell batteries

[jade hare]

So SEs are made but sub factions and they use different materials and methods to make their robots and weapons so they have more hp and do more damage

[opal rover]

https://twitter.com/warrobotsgame/status/1429609473748967432 rylly cool fan posters

[opal rover]

personally i viewed the se's with more members to belong to an in-universe clan

for example the yaga gang

[stuck imp]

By converting matter into energy, how the hecc do you stock that much energy ? E=mc², like even a gram of material would require 9x10^13 Joules of energy storage capacity, so a 2.5x10^13 Ah battery which can be approximated with the expression "yes". Maybe a city-wide capacitor ? I don't know at this point. The battery in your smartphone can range usually from 8 Ah to 20 Ah depending on the model ; this battery would need to be 25 000 000 000 000 Ah

[opal rover]

newsomethingium

[devout current]

so you're saying if we had enough phones we could make war robots in real life

[opal rover]

well atleast the ammo problem

[devout current]

the guns can come later

[stuck imp]

That's to transform one single gram of matter into raw energy

[devout current]

right so we'll need a lot of phones

[stuck imp]

Bruh

I'll approximate a big 20 Ah battery into a 14x6x1 cm block and see what volume it takes

Basically a phat smartphone

[opal rover]

https://www.facebook.com/warrobots/photos/a.344946745646634/2451815904959697/?type=3 whats going on in the gothic mars poster even

[jade hare]

I still don't know why we are trying to explain things from 2143 with technology from 2023 🤔
What if they already know a method to store infinite energy, we just don't know about it?

[stuck imp]

105 000 000 cubic meters of volume for all those batteries. Represented by 1.25x10^12 battery cells 42 000 Olympic-size pools filled entirely with smartphone batteries. For that single gram gram of matter

[opal rover]

it should also be noted we can only see the wr universe from one perspectiv

[devout current]

now we have one very valuable gram of matter

[stuck imp]

I don't think the physics will change that much, especially when talking about such large amounts of energy. Like, what could possibly store that much energy, that can be picked up easily (in the middle of a field), that is reliable (or else you nuke the whole Earth I guess)... The requirements are too high for a single century gap

If it was like in 10 000 year, why not. But WR is only 120 years away

[jade hare]

If you don't like the "energy in the bot converted into ammo" theory then what about "ammo from the mothership teleported into the weapons when reloading" theory? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Which suppose that with a single precision strike on the mothership you can disrupt an entire battlefield logistic 🤔

[jade hare]

We know now how the Cataclysm happened
People experimented with energy and nuked the Earth in Brazil 🤡

[opal rover]

any potential answers?

[jade hare]

Frozen Scorn wallpaper, Angler wallpapers and a lot of others...

[opal rover]

hold on lemme find the scorn wallpaper

[stuck imp]

The Tsar Bomba is estimated to release 2.6x10^17 Joules when exploding, and that's among the most powerful nukes ever made by humans. One single gram of matter is 9x10^13 Joules as said earlier, meaning that 3 kilograms of transformed matter into energy equals the energy released by the biggest nuke ever made. Congratulations, you transformed a handful of handgun magazines into energy, at risk of recreating at home the nuclear essays from the Cold War

[opal rover]

ok yeah wth is going on there

is clyde seriously going after an entire fleet of motherships

[jade hare]

Captain Clyde doing pirate things

[jade hare]

Motherships + battleships

[opal rover]

like thers an orion and a dreadnaught with a monarch and another dreadnaught coming their way to end clyde

[jade hare]

And there's the Team B somewhere in space too

[opal rover]

i think they made their way back to mars

[jade hare]

Not really

The pirates found their ship in space close to some asteroids or something like that

[opal rover]

and now we gotta wait how long for a new series

team b 2

jad is somewhere on earth in his erebus

[jade hare]

Jad is on his way to help Linda

And I still need to write these thing into my story, but first I need to put the story together in my head

[opal rover]

i'd be questioning how there are scorpion and typhon parts that implies something happened to their remaining bots while on the ship

and we dont know how or when appmter got his demeter

[jade hare]

Yeah, there are holes in the story. But not only in Team B but in the whole WR lore

[opal rover]

if and when team b 2 is made i'm pretty sure it will feature the android getting his weaponized life support

i wouldnt be surprised if they stole it considering they're wanted criminals and probably dont have much money

[snow crypt]

looks like this thread has been active for a while.

i came too late to the party, it seems…

[jade hare]

Not really. You can always join in even after we finished the conversation

[opal rover]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8NXZ7s98Ytk/maxresdefault.jpg fugly

[white sandal]

Why would you post something about a image without image perms? It only ends up as a random link wich people on discord ignore for good reason

[opaque elk]

Option 4: crakk better bullets and gases for kinetic and laser weaponary

[stuck imp]

But then why not on the standard version ?
If you talk about Special Edition weapons, I brought the argument of fine-tuned manufacturing process : the weapons being quite unique they can benefit from the best attentions the serial model doesn't get. Even the most precise weapons require some tweaks for them to be mass-produced, at the expense of last-minute details that might be left aside. The Special Editions get past that problem, being in ultra limited series.
See that as a supercar : even though each one of them is a magnificent piece of automobile, there often exist limited variants of those already rare vehicles, with a slightly different preparation, or a slightly improved version of the engine. Maybe the Special Editions work similarly

[opal rover]

to express my opinion on a fictional hi-tech drone

[white sandal]

Probably because of the extra power draw wich Probably is fixed by recycling some of the spent powe

[white sandal]

It obviously wouldn't post and would come up as a link no one would use because random links are often traps, again not sure why you would post it instead of just messaging

[stuck imp]

I don't think those even need a recycler. See with a simple lightbulb : certain are more energy-efficient than others, and it often shows that on the pricetag. The same could go with the SE weapons, that could simply have slightly less energy losses and better internal components

[jade hare]

You can clearly see that it's a .jpg file so why would that be a scam/trap?

[snow crypt]

one could assume that some titan modules such as the Cannibal, Anti-matter, and Onslaught Reactors do provide additional energy generation along with their respective bonuses for the titan. Which may be somewhat realistic to have on a titan that uses energy intensive weaponry, such as the Cataclysm, Striker or Dazzler. However, regardless of whether or not a titan has these reactors, does not impact its operation regardless of what weapons they use. Suggesting that each and every titan has a set of internal components that cannot be changed out, which deal with power generation and storage.

Because the titan does not go nuclear when destroyed, it is either that it has a failsafe that removes the core or shuts off the nuclear reactors before ultimately being destroyed. Additionally, the titan may also be equipped with fusion energy or other more obscure reactor types, which may lead to an energy output that always meets the minimum requirements for titan operation and possibly keeping it at a consistent level. However, this disproves meeting the minimum requirements, when upgrading the subsystems of the titan, suggesting that either these reactors are producing excess energy that allows for consistent operation, despite increasing energy consumption from the upgraded subsystems. Or that the reactors themselves are being replaced at the same time, in order to meet the new energy requirements of the upgraded subsystems, however this just adds to the obscurity of what reactors a titan uses by default.

These types of reactors are not volatile as it seems, which may be in part due to failsafes or the designs themselves.

[white sandal]

Pretty sure you can change the the words of a link however you like

The reactors probably have very advanced fail safes but it would be pretty fun to have exploding titans

[stuck imp]

Imagine a QTE action to trigger the explosion What I know in Warhammer 40k for example is when a vehicle dies you roll a D6, and on a natural 6 it explodes and damages all nearby units, allied and enemy alike. I don't think such a randomness would be very pleasant in WR, but the idea is indeed a plausible one

[jade hare]

Did you know that the nowadays known factions of WR had changed and new ones emerged in WR:F

[snow crypt]

yeah, which leads me to believe that the 5 factions we know have been dissolved in favor of new factions. Something happened, and I wanna know what it is.

[white sandal]

40k is very fun but most of it doesn't really work in the wr universe, bar ork logic about how stuff works

But bolter rounds would make a really cool punisher 2.0

[jade hare]

The 2 game is 200 years apart so a lot of things happened

[abstract flare]

And nowadays there are hardly companies or cooperation survive that long

[opal rover]

wait theres new factions in frontiers

[jade hare]

FortEvo
FreeCon
Human Purity

https://wrfrontiers.com/en/news/23-tales-from-the-wild-ten-corporate-empires

[opal rover]

where were they mentioned

wait so who made varangian

[jade hare]

Idk but it's a Vityaz's upgraded version

Also, there's an internet like thing on The Wild Ten called QNET

[opal rover]

from what i've seen vityaz is completely different than the one we are familar with

[jade hare]

If you would need to combine the 6 WR factions to make the new 3 WR:F factions then what combinations would you make?

[stuck imp]

FortEvo includes Evolife 100%
Freecon includes Icarus and maybe Spacetech ?
Human Purity I'm not sure between including a part of Evolife, but maybe DSC for its inertia towards the "natural order" 🤔

[jade hare]

I think FortEvo could be Evolife and DSC
FreeCon could be SpaceTech and Icarus maybe
And Yan-di + the Scavengers are left for Human Purity

[stuck imp]

That's probably what could make the most sense

[jade hare]

FortEvo = Fortified Evolution
Evolution = Evolife
Fortified = DSC

FreeCon = Freedom(?) Connection(?)
Freedom = America = SpaceTech
Connection = Advanced technology = Icarus

Human Purity
Human = Family = Scavengers
Purity = Pure gold/other valuable things = Yan-di

[stuck imp]

Freedom = America

[jade hare]

For me the factions represent a country.
SpaceTech = America
DSC = Russia
Evolife = China
Yan-di = India
Icarus = Europe (I know that it's not a country but yeah...)

[stuck imp]

||France|| We have ideas but almost no natural resource, just like how on Mars they are confined at the inhospitable South Pole

#FrenchBias

[jade hare]

I said Europe because I can't decide which country I want to give Icarus. There's Germany, France, England and others there which could be part of Icarus

[stuck imp]

Yeah that was for the joke

And Europe as a whole can be considered as an equivalent "entity" as all the others you attributed to the other factions

[jade hare]

Also, the factions doesn't only have 1 country. They include a lot more, I just didn't made up all of this theory in my head yet

[opal rover]

tbh the only factions that i consider basically being just countries but now in space and are corporations are spacetech and yan di

even then they have a lot of other countries and cultures mixed in there aswell

for example spacetech ironically has a lot of china and russia influence

maybe icarus with germany tho thats very minute

[stuck imp]

Pixonic may have designed all the Factions being multi-cultural, and it would reinforce their will to stay politically correct and not pointing at any specific ethnic or country

[opal rover]

if you were a pilot in the wr universe what robot would you use?

[stuck imp]

I think I would take a Bulwark with Tempests. Some old and reliable technology, with the strongest Aegis shield still in circulation and a pretty tough armour

[opaque elk]

there are much better kinetic heavies

imo id honestly take hovers for the funni and possibly vortex/ballista if we're talking old school

theoretically wouldnt be half bad, hovers pretty fast but doesnt really have any defense

[white sandal]

I'd go with ao jun and redumers or behemoth with avengers

[jade hare]

For me it's Rayker with Viper and Shredders but Radiation weapons for an upgrade is good too

[snow crypt]

the age old typhon with ignitors will do it for me… nothing like flamethrowers to burn away the evidence…

[opal rover]

How is my titan spider idea so far
Name: Suijin (named after the Shinto water god of the same name)
Corporation: Evolife

The titanic successor to Fuijin, Raijin, and Weyland with an aegis energy shield, a small repairing aura, and the ability to spray jets of corrosive acid
Abilities: Yagura Mode and Sludge Wave
Yagura Mode: Titan activates an Aegis Shield and a healing aura that heals allies and titan within it however titan is unable to move while in this mode.
Sludge Wave: Titan activates a built-in acid thrower that ignores both energy and physical shields, ability ends after the second activation or when acid ammo is depleted. Kills while Sludge Wave is active improve the titan's defense system for a short time.
Hardpoints: 2x Alpha
Module Slots: 3x Defense & 1x Universal

[abstract flare]

Orion boom boom

[abstract flare]

In my opinion, it’s uncreative. Just mix of old ability, simply a weyland with ancile, bane and that defense drone. According to the ability and module, it might be a tank with 2 alpha. The gameplay of it might be like Weyland, go to teammates and camp there with incredible toughness, which I find not really exciting.

[opal rover]

jesus you didn't have to be that harsh

In my opinion, it’s uncreative. Just mix of old abilityman your right official titans are never that lazy I mean titans like big golden tyr, war of the worlds tripod ripoff trying to a ravana, and big seraph are the pinaccle of originality

[white sandal]

Cool concept but I'd do a little refining. I'd make it so that it moves very slowly in heal mode like 15-25 and 40-50 normally because fujin is actually pretty fast and speed is really needed nowadays. I'd go 1-2 defence modules so there is some options for builds instead of just a tank, and the defence modules are only really used for tac anyway.

Or as a option you can have it have 2 modes and it changes between them at will, kind of like himdial.

The other mode could be a built in gun and physical shields like rajin and jager

[abstract flare]

Most titan in the game recently are uncreative . I have never said titan in game have good idea.

[abstract flare]

That’s my opinion, take it or ignore it. I just say why I feel it uncreative and the way it can be used doesn’t interesting for me, no insults, no criticism to you.

[abstract flare]

Titan can be based on robot, but it should have something outstanding that make it actually different. For example, Shagarah is based on Fury but have its own special ability that phase shift enemy, also can increase damage which make it have some difference in gameplay

[opal rover]

yeah i could make it move in the shield mode and i probably should replace atleast 1 defense module with an attack one

[opal rover]

`i don't think i will do the Heimdal thing of one mode having gun the other shield but i'm thinking of axing the whole "kills while acid weapon is active gives you defense points", do u think i should?

[opal rover]

how does suppresion work?

[stuck imp]

Most probable hypothesis is some kind of electronic damage/jamming, just how EMP and Lockdown work by disabling internal systems. Although Suppression is irregular in the way it makes sense, coming down to the type of weapon targeted.

• Energy weapons makes maximum sense to be disrupted by electronic damage, if your plasma condenser gets jammed your plasma output is much reduced, or if your laser gets its power cut it will spit nothing. Accurate enough
• First stage of incoherence with the Rocket weapons : because once the rocket leaves the launcher there is no way to reduce its explosion power So the Suppression might affect the guiding systems and maybe the firing mechanism with a stretch, but once a rocket is fired it should always deal close to 100% damage.
• Second stage of incoherence with Ballistic weapons : same reasoning here, once a bullet is fired it cannot be stopped. The only way the Suppression could work would be by stopping motors inside the weapons (rotating barrels in Punisher and Razdor for example) accurately preventing the weapon from firing and eventually jamming the entire mechanism ; or make electric triggers completely dead, stopping the weapon from firing given they have electric triggers. The oldest and simplest weapons like Nashorn, Kang Dae, Molot, would be practically immune to Suppression in fact.

There are exceptions of course, for example the Railguns being ballistic weapons but triggered by an entirely electronic mechanism

[opal rover]

perhaps the bullets get cushioned by nanobots or something, the hit on a target becomes softer somehow

[stuck imp]

Steel plates have a hard time stopping a bullet, I don't think nanobots can do that so easily. Or else you would protect behind clouds of nanobots instead of hiding behind heavy armour

[opal rover]

nanobots make the bullet travel more slowly

[stuck imp]

Bullets go Mach 3

And they have a minuscule surface to offer to be slowed down : they were optimised to not be stopped

Notably against air friction

[opal rover]

perhaps they use whatever tech the vajras use to slow down bullets

[stuck imp]

One lore problem is that Suppression technology is much more ancient that Vajra 🤔 And it's specifically targeting the robot, stretching that to the projectiles is a risky plan... Imagine that your Suppression mechanism would have the exact same efficiency against a Schutze Nashorn and an Avenger Behemoth : 6 rpm versus 5000 rpm

[opal rover]

if we go the theory of the ammo being created from energy in battery then perhaps suppression tampers with that

[stuck imp]

That theory being itself very unstable, I wouldn't really trust that. And the ammo already in the magazine are completely fine

[opal rover]

suppressed weapons have a red aura around them right?

maybe the red aura deforms the bullets

[stuck imp]

Just how legs have a yellow aura : I personally see that as a gameplay artifact, but if you find something you can try

[stuck imp]

That's still a projectile going Mach 3, even if you make it a cube it will still hurt. Damage may be lower, but we are far from the 100% Suppression the Invader can reach (for real)

[opal rover]

what happens with 100% suppresion, theres no damage?

[stuck imp]

Exactly

[opal rover]

tell me how, i have an invader

[opal rover]

but it will hurt less

[stuck imp]

And somehow this solves all problems linked to different technologies : energy weapons don't fire anymore, rockets don't launch from the tubes, and ballistic weapons could see their electric command be completely jammed.

Invader can reach that using its legendary pilot, and maybe one other skill, that allowed to reach 95% in the past but its pilot was buffed by the 5% left

[opal rover]

what do u mean by the first part

[stuck imp]

Having 100% Suppression simply means that technologies behave the same from a lore standpoint : the weapons just can't fire anymore because they are completely jammed from the inside. We're not even tampering with the projectiles, but with the system

Invader : 75% base
Stanislav Chen : 25%
Tada you get 100%

[opal rover]

maybe suppression does mess with the system, the guns don't fire the bullets properly

[stuck imp]

Which loses its sense with the use of ballistic weapons like Molot : you can't fire "improperly" a bullet, it fires or it doesn't. And a mechanical recoil mechanism can't be jammed by electronics

With modern weaponry Suppression works fine, seeing all the electronic-driven weapons going around ; but that's old weapons that actually make our theories fail

[opal rover]

what about modern non-energy weapons

our jaws and smutas

[stuck imp]

Smuta is electronically driven 100% ; and Jaw has a guiding system. Those can be jammed

[opal rover]

and the flame weapons, the flamethrowers and blast rockets

how do u supress of flamethrower

[stuck imp]

The Flamethrowers are supposed to be 100% mechanical so they shouldn't be affected. Only way would be with the fuel pumps, and that's a stretch

Blast Rockets are a black box, we don't know how they even work

[opal rover]

and acid throwers

does supression add a couple of alkalis into the aicd

[stuck imp]

I think you begin to see where this is going

Suppression would need to have like 10 different distinct effect in order to cover all weapon technologies

[opal rover]

and some its either no fire or all fire

[stuck imp]

Yes, mechanically-driven weapons are indeed all-or-nothing

Yet they get 50% Suppression in-game

And now we can say : Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a really nice and clean gameplay artifact here

[opal rover]

that absolutely exists in lore and has no explanation

y dont we take this to ksiro or whoever in #🪐│scifi-story-lore

[stuck imp]

And such things are a problem. This however goes beyond Teleportation or Energy shielding : those two techs are "given as true" and hidden behind a technology that is supposedly known but can be replicated ; the Suppression would be classified in this category, but its technology cannot be explained even with reasoning
Even energy shielding was given a solid hypothesis using trapped electromagnetic fields, and Teleportation with the matter-energy conversion (which is unstable and really hard to make true, but theoretically coherent)

[stuck imp]

Ksiro has access to this thread, and I guess that showing this question to all those people will only get us headaches reading horrible theories

[opal rover]

headaches it is then

[stuck imp]

https://tenor.com/view/count-dooku-christopher-lee-star-wars-gif-23719747

[stuck imp]

I curse you man I will share your headaches during your journey

[opal rover]

firstly am i allowed to ping ksiro

[stuck imp]

I think everyone can as long as it's not a troll. We pinged him several times already for lore question, just don't spam and wait a bit for him to respond when he's free... Idk how many pings he might have per day

[opal rover]

ok

i will @ them

wish me luck

[stuck imp]

Don't worry too much he's not a tyrant. If he enjoys the topic there is no big risk

[opal rover]

i mean luck if he responds

[stuck imp]

I hope he will

[opal rover]

https://discord.com/channels/692379063716937790/1037356028716658728/threads/1055673113024671854 imagine a map in the noctis labirnthus

[devout current]

no wonder my team is lost all the time

[jade hare]

I think suppression is some kind of virus that attacks the weapon systems and this affects the damage. In the lore it could cut off/jam the energy supply of the weapons so the weapons couldn't get enough energy to work properly and this leds to less damage
Note: Suppression in game doesn't work like how it would work in real life. It's an in-game feature so you can do everything with it but in real life there are limits to it

[jade hare]

Why do you need to betray us?

[opal rover]

i require an answer

[stuck imp]

@jade hare If you read the discussion you can see that I already tackled the "energy shortage" theory as you suggest it, and that still it only makes half-sense if it were to exist in real world. Only Invader with 100% Suppression settles everything clear actually

[opal rover]

suppresion isnt a "thing can't exist in our world" its a "can't really exist within the laws of the universe it is in"

[stuck imp]

Which is even worse considering it's a fictional version of our own universe

You can always bring Scenarium to solve the problem, and Pixonic did it clearly. But there is indeed a hole in the matrix for such things that are given as true to the player And you actually had the clarity to question it. You're the Chosen One

[opal rover]

whats scenarium

[stuck imp]

A physical element that is far superior to what you can find in the Mendeleiev Periodic Table. The Scenarium can be in the three states of matter at the same time, and it only needs to be asked for something to actually do it. Machines made of Scenarium are known to show an inconceivable endurance to any kind of damages, as well as an overwhelming force. Scenarium is also used to coat important personalities in the famous Plot Armour, by making the Scenarium invisible yet infinitely strong. Due to being extremely lightweight, it is easy to incorporate Scenarium anywhere you want it without compromising any performance ; movies and video games make an extensive use of Scenarium for their stunts, and also to highlight the main characters throughout their whole adventures.

[opal rover]

oh its newsomethingium

[stuck imp]

It may hold different names Perhaps depending on where you are on the globe

[opal rover]

no i just made it up

similar to scenarium itself

[stuck imp]

What's fantastic with this material is that whatever you call it it will keep its awesome properties

Because no matter what name you give it, you still know its effects Maybe Scenarium isn't its true name either

[jade hare]

The lore gang (or atleast me) doesn't like the #🪐│scifi-story-lore channel because there's a "war" between them. The lore gang usually talks there about the different topics but we all know that the conversations are not that serious there. I'm not even talking there for multiple reasons. And the fact that you wanted to talk about lore there instead of this thread hurts me

[stuck imp]

Well you wanted the war. But yes I must agree on the fact that the discussion often slip out of control in the public channel, whereas only initiates know this thread and we are more motivated to talk good quality lore

[jade hare]

Yes, I wanted the war and I'm the only one who cares about it but that's fine

[snow crypt]

suppression may be attributed to an external force that acts upon the projectiles of the weapons… as all weapons can fire normally, but deal reduced damage. This suggests that Suppression may be a specialized type of electromagnetic pulse that emits a shockwave or pulse that actively reduces the energy potential of plasma/energy projectiles, as well as making the fired shells or rockets more prone to internal structural damage… preventing them from dealing damage effectively…

this seems to be a type of energy field that strips away electrons and breaks the subatomic bonds of both energy and physical substances… the strength of the Suppression can be attributed to the concentration or density of the energy field or projectile. Which appears to be able to take the form of a shockwave or projectile (as seen with rayker). Additionally, the microchip variant is able to allow weapons to apply this effect… suggesting that this energy is generated, stored and can be utilized in mounted and built-in weapons…

because Suppression lasts for only 5 seconds and does not deal any significant damage to the affected target, this could suggest that the robots themselves are hardened against this type of force, and only the ammunition and energy that is used offensively are affected…

[opal rover]

cry about it

[opal rover]

why is there a war also

[stuck imp]

I always love how you come up pseudo-physical explanations that kinda make sense, and I always try to find a counter-example Sonic weapons are the only one that comes to mind, because they do not fire "projectiles" but mechanical waves (wth they work on the Moon ). This theory is close to what Sidekick thought of, a field capable of reducing the power of projectiles, yet I cannot find any plausible explanation for this field to exist. Stripping apart molecular bonds may be the ultimate weapon of war if it induces mechanical breakdown at atomic scale, and I can't see why robots should be hardened against sub-atomic attacks ; and even considering they are, by which magic ? The steel from an ammunition is the same as the steel from a robot armour. And if they use some kind of repulsive counter-field, then why aren't the weapons protected ? 🤔

This theory solves the last problems we had with the Suppression but creates others, because of gameplay artifacts again : weapons are affected, but robots aren't, although there is no logical reason for that distinction to happen. And if the technology behind the Suppression can truly disorganise matter at a molecular scale, then we are still awaiting a weaponized version of that technology to simply dismantle robots by just pointing a gun at them.

[snow crypt]

this kind of tech seems to be underutilized and quite possibly slow to develop... suggesting that there may be a whole host of underlying issues and drawbacks, that come with developing this kind of technology...

[stuck imp]

Yet they managed to shift it from specialised robots, to universal Drones

with the drone rework I wonder if this will still exist

[snow crypt]

in any case, that should close up some rabbit holes that are currently open, with the drones and their technologies.

[stuck imp]

Now the next rabbit hole will be opened when Pixo will decide to create a robot/Titan weapon capable of inflicting Suppression

[snow crypt]

technically, a weapon that inflicts Suppression can use the same tech as the Suppressor microchip.