Wr Lore

[stuck imp]

Although some parts would certainly remain in hard materials like steel, such as thrusters and hydraulic engines 🤔 Immovable mass in the machine. The plating problem may be solved, remains the inside parts

And if there is a skeleton underneath the armor, which material would be the best ? 🤔 Same material as armour, at the risk of having the same weakenesses, or taking another material that is known and reliable despite being heavier and/or more fragile in general ?

[opaque elk]

i said itd be a really bad excuse

also i think bots are powered by fusion

[snow crypt]

anyone know if the pilots wear shoes? trying to figure out what kind of footwear some of them use

i'd guess some female pilots would wear some kind of heels but idk about the rest

[stuck imp]

Military boots or spacesuit-like footwear are the first things that come to my mind 🤔 And I don't see all women having heels, it may be impractical in a robot compared to a plain shoe (certain would definitely have heels, I take it for a fact)

[abstract flare]

We can see some in WR Youtube video

[snow crypt]

run in high heels on a grated catwalk without tripping over or breaking heels.

[stuck imp]

Pilots would certainly not have those. But some figures like Ana Barasab (did I spell correctly ?) are quite prominent to be imagined with heels rather than not 🤔 There is sort of a conflict between the image of women and practicality at war

[jade hare]

It's Anna Basarab...

[stuck imp]

yes 🙃

Thank you

[snow crypt]

heels are usually a symbol of power for women, it also emphasizes their distinctive feminine gait. Anna also wears some equivalent of a dress, so fashion does exist to some degree but has been modified to provide a similar function to spacesuits and whatnot, whilst still maintaining that expression of power.

Though on a separate note, fashion trends would be common to higher classes in any faction and would probably be unique all on their own.

[jade hare]

@snow crypt @stuck imp the answer for you two

[stuck imp]

That still feel much impractical

For a pilot I mean

[jade hare]

Still they could wear it

[stuck imp]

At least those things would fit the WR universe. High-rank women could even afford the most prized Icarus prosthesis with built-in heels

[jade hare]

Olga (Iskra), Anna, Alika

[stuck imp]

Thinking of it, most women pilots are akin to have heels (prosthetics or not). The few exceptions would be the actual military : Johanna Flynt, Jill Summers for example 🤔

In their design, most female pilots are like designed as they had heels in mind 🤔

As Matroska pointed it out with the representation of women's power

[jade hare]

I don't think the same. A few female pilots could have boots like Ariadne

[stuck imp]

She's a spy, a job where swiftness is maybe worth more than fashion 🤔 I get your point

[jade hare]

So yeah, there could be other shoe types too

[devout current]

what if they floated

[stuck imp]

Wat ? 👀

[jade hare]

Now that I think of it @stuck imp and @snow crypt. You can see people's legs in the story videos on youtube 🤔

[stuck imp]

Hmmmmm that could allow to confirm some things. Are all characters depicted though ?

[stuck imp]

Okay boots confirmed for Ariadne

[jade hare]

Not that good but that's all I could get...

[stuck imp]

Seems like boots for me 🤔 What do you think ?

[jade hare]

More boots...

Even Samael had boots before his new legs...

[stuck imp]

The question, where heels then ?

[jade hare]

Yes 🤡

[stuck imp]

The people depicted there are either pilots in their professional life, or regular citizens who certainly don't want those shoes in real life while being in VR 🤔 We are far from the high women who could wear them as a symbol

[devout current]

wait how does samael fit in his erebus

[devout current]

could someone ride samael into battle?

[stuck imp]

Maybe he made the entrances larger, and/or he can retract his legs so they take less space

[devout current]

why couldn't he just get normal legs like theseus did

[stuck imp]

Because he wanted spider legs I guess. We can't discuss his taste, no ?

[devout current]

to be fair he did have brain damage

[stuck imp]

That could explain partially this particular taste

[devout current]

maybe a spider creeped into the oxygen supply and caused it

wr's twisted version of spider man

[jade hare]

Samael killed the human out of himself so that's why he chose this look. It's not human like so... yeah.

[snow crypt]

samael is an example of what happens if you want to pursue perfectionism in solutions for every problem that exists, that includes a human factor.

This is the extreme end of the problem solving spectrum, where you completely remove the human factor from the problem entirely in order to solve it.

as inhumane as it sounds

[jade hare]

Exactly

[devout current]

well did he succeed?

[snow crypt]

he comes very close, in the case of making himself perfect, all he needs to do is to remove his fleshy body and digitalize his consciousness into the mechanical husk he has constructed for himself.

from there, everything from physical form to intelligence can be molded into whatever is perceived to be perfect.

[jade hare]

3V3R3TT made it... He's an ex-human

[devout current]

bruh the pilot isn't even out yet

[jade hare]

But you can see and read that it's not human anymore

[devout current]

heck thomas mindread didn't look very human either

[jade hare]

He's just in his suit

[devout current]

without any lore explanation all pilots look weird

[jade hare]

Why? 🤔

[devout current]

ok some pilots look weird

like midea

or ricardo

[jade hare]

Just a little

[devout current]

and then thomas the flaming skull

[jade hare]

It's not actual flame tho

[devout current]

by the way

why does victoria have wings

[jade hare]

Yes...

Cosmetic purposes

[devout current]

awh

i hoped she could fly

[jade hare]

Maybe

[stuck imp]

Arnav has arms, having a jetpack is totally feasible 🤔

[devout current]

what if arnav killed andrey and stole his arms

[stuck imp]

You become legit an insect human

[snow crypt]

alright boys, time to talk about war robots frontier.

Atom's fusions are now a reality.

[stuck imp]

Yeah apparentrly you can swap legs, shoulders, cabin, etc. I would say it's between Fusions and aggressive Scavenging of spare models

[snow crypt]

i've also noticed that some of the weapons like zeus, orkan and glory can now be mounted on any type of hardpoint

@feral stone do factions still exist in war robots frontiers?

[jade hare]

Not really fusions tho but they are fine

[jade hare]

Actually I had an idea about a robot that you can build. Like the custom car in Hill Climb Racing. You can unlock parts and then put the bot together. They basically did that but in a whole new game instead of WR

[snow crypt]

so it seems in the future, assuming the factions still exists to some extent, they have figured out how to create robots that have very high customizability and have found a way to universalize weapons so they can be mounted on any hardpoint configuration. Pilots still exist as it seems, but not in the typical attire we'd expect. Everything seems to have been redesigned for this type of customization and there is more RGB.

also the textures look clean for some reason.

[jade hare]

Also we have a whole new solar system

[snow crypt]

there is a new industry called Otriera.

[jade hare]

The Wild Ten...

The lore section will shine again

[snow crypt]

dunno what the green robot is suppose to be

oh wait thats vityaz

[stuck imp]

Is that supposed to be a Kid behind ?! 👀

[snow crypt]

well its has fully fledged arms now

[stuck imp]

I like most of those new designs to be honest. They are more round and smooth, as we could expect after two centuries of optimisation I guess

[snow crypt]

you can also destroy certain parts of the robot as well

thanks to manual aiming

[stuck imp]

Finally you can pop off weapons and legs ?! 👀

[snow crypt]

legs yes, weapons maybe

[stuck imp]

That's already five years after Battle Of Titans included that as a core mechanic for Light robots 😔 And War Robots will certainly keep the RNG thing

[snow crypt]

maybe, at least there is now a damage counter

[stuck imp]

Was it necessary though ? 🤔

[feral stone]

Kinda, but not the same factions exist(ed) in WR 🙂

[snow crypt]

okay so we can't reasonably expect all current factions to exist in the future, so something must have happened between the current lore and war robots frontiers.

a second cataclysm!

[feral stone]

Nah. Nothing so catastrophic 🙂
Just time and technological progress that allowed humanity to surpass the limits of solar system.

[snow crypt]

oh

[stuck imp]

Maybe the five Corporations as we know them today sticked to the Solar System (or disappeared with it ? 🤔), while three other ones took their chance in deep-space exploration

[snow crypt]

Spacetech, Yan-Di and Icarus are the first to come to mind when it comes to space exploration, DSC and EvoLife probably went and colonized the other planets.

[jade hare]

I just realised 2 things

1. I can't use WRF for my stories (War Robots Fusions) because Frontiers is the same thing (WRF). But I could use WRSF (War Robots Stories: Fusions)
2. They are kinda doing what I wanted. I wanted to write my stories about fusions and finish it one day and then start a new one which happens years after the previous one and includes new technologies, new people and new events. It would be called War Robots (Stories): New Era

The world wouldn't be that different in the second story but you can feel that years passed since the previous story and things happened during those years...

[devout current]

or maybe the corporations each sent out their own colonizers but only a few made it and decided to make a new name

[tight basin]

But what's stopping them from sending more if someone Made it?

[devout current]

maybe they never heard from them again and assumed it was a failure

guess we'll have to wait to see if the games are connected lore wise

[jade hare]

It's connected because we have the same robots and they said that the story is this:
Lots of years passed and the corporations find a way to "conquer" other solar systems

[devout current]

"conquer" as in someone was there already?

[snow crypt]

probably just found a planet and put a flag on it

conquering involves warfare and we don’t have any evidence of warfare between humanity or other lifeforms

[jade hare]

I said conquer because I couldn't find any other words. My brain is dead 💀

Also, decades have passed and the corporations built structures on the Wild Ten and the new corporations trying to conquer those structures

Also they found a way how to disassemble robots and put them together with other parts making the robots more powerful

[tight basin]

I think that it's not just to make it stronger, but also to make it easier/faster to repair

Legs broken? Simple, attach a new leg from a different bot

[jade hare]

Yeah

[devout current]

so they just took the best of each bot and cobbled it together

[stuck imp]

That's certainly what this game will be all about, even more than WR : taking the best of every single part of your robot

[jade hare]

That's why they made a whole new game instead of changing the current one

[opaque elk]

=more potential for p2w mechanics

[jade hare]

I think I got my own Exogem. But it's pink

[devout current]

nitro unit made into a gem

[stuck imp]

The ultimate crossover

[devout current]

wr discord edition

[stuck imp]

wasn't that Jekyll bot ? 👀

[jade hare]

@glad frigate it's here

[devout current]

are the PvE bots the gray pilots or something

[vernal yacht]

@stuck imp Caught u being naughty naughty, DONT USE PROFANITIES YA GOOSE

[stuck imp]

The what ?! 👀

[devout current]

lezard swore

impossible

[stuck imp]

But I .... 👀

No

[devout current]

how could you

you had such a bright future

[stuck imp]

I ask the same question

[devout current]

nuuuuu

[stuck imp]

😭 My carrer is over, I'm finished

[devout current]

my world has shattered

you had so much ahead

[stuck imp]

Anyways : I don't have a clear answer to your question, it depends on what we define as Gray Robots. Usually as seen in the stories, they are standard robots but controlled by an AI ; in the PvE modes, those are self-destructing spider basically, not as refined as standard machines

[devout current]

how did they put legs on a zenit though

is it kind of like overwatch omniums

where there are factories that make bots on their own

[abstract flare]

Idk but their name are Gray AI

It shown on the screen when you get killed.

[devout current]

or when you kill them

[delicate jacinth]

gray ai is very strong

[jade hare]

The spiders are controlled by the Gray AI, yes

[abstract flare]

AI can learn to improve itself faster than every human being. Maybe some gray AI developed so much that they have ability to create minions which is gray ai

[jade hare]

What are you talking about? 🤔

Gray AI is a mysterious program which controls Gray Robots. Mysterious robots that kill everything in their path leaving chaos and destruction behind

[devout current]

a wild appm3tr

[opaque elk]

no..?

[opaque elk]

isnt it hinted that its bastion?

they said something something bastion with grey robos

[tight basin]

The first sightings of these bots are from the scavenger island/event, what if maybe they work as a hive, some bots are meant to collect scraps, while some are meant to be the queen, producing more of these bots from scraps

We havent seen the queen yet though

[jade hare]

No, Bastion is a titan made by Earthlings. You can know this because Kyle was on Earth and fought a Bastion which was 3x big than a Fujin and Kyle's Hawk barely even damaged it. This information gives you the idea that it was a titan. The other information is that someone from the Bastion communicated with Kyle saying he should leave. So someone piloted that thing and it's not controlled by any AI

[devout current]

so now we measure units with fujins

[jade hare]

[devout current]

how many fujins is the average pilot

[jade hare]

Just stop pls

[devout current]

how'd they make the first fujin

[jade hare]

Like every other bot? 🤔

[devout current]

but

how'd they measure it

before they had fujins to measure

[stuck imp]

It's like the meter : they made it up

Before having the reference, simply create the reference

[snow crypt]

before creating the reference, you need to come up with a reference

[devout current]

so how did the reference from no reference

[jade hare]

[stuck imp]

One guy must have come up with an arbitrary reference at some point, and then our growing understanding of physics allowed us to create more and more references based on some universally defined "constants", the list most ||corrector.exe|| useful one being the speed of light in void

[devout current]

what about raijin

[opaque elk]

"titan" is kinda vague not that im argueing with you

seen through history, (most mechanical/electrical) things start big and then gradually become smaller

could be the same with bastion 🤷‍♂️

[jade hare]

Arguing is my hobby so you can start arguing with me

[opaque elk]

tbh i feel like its less intended to actually fight and instead is more like a control center

last refuge for the people on earth

[jade hare]

Kyle ran into a huge four-legged robot that even his Hawk could barely scratch. He survived by a shear miracle: the robot suddenly ceased firing and transmitted the encrypted signal: "GO AWAY, BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM."

[opaque elk]

ye

bastions just a boig chonky boi

has bastion been reported to actually move?

[jade hare]

I mean it's a robot so it can move

[snow crypt]

back in the days where trebuchets can be mounted on side hardpoints

[opaque elk]

my theory is just that bastion is no longer fully operational and is more of a refuge for survivors as it is fully possible to be a home for residents

and it just controls the ded robots of earth pilots

[jade hare]

Bastion is the moving home of Earthlings

[opaque elk]

tho thats mainly just head canon

[snow crypt]

the bastion could have easily been a prototype that had two iterations. One is its predecessor Raijin and the other is a custom built or modified version of the Bastion that people on earth created themselves, in some attempt to give it more use.

[jade hare]

Bastion is like Raijin so it has 2 platforms which are the Heavy weapons put onto

[snow crypt]

it just so happens that the one kyle encounters is most likely the culmination of the work of earthling ingenuity over many decades of isolation and scavenging.

thus why it’s almost impervious to dedicated anti titan robots and very large.

[jade hare]

Bastion is still a Titan in my eyes

[opaque elk]

i mean bastion is probably the earthlings version of instead of beating them with tech, beat them with seer stubbornness

the hull itself is probably as thick as a lancelot shield

[jade hare]

Bastion is created by Earthlings

[snow crypt]

eh, you can improve the durability of the bastion by putting thicker disposable plating like on some mbts

which is what we see with the bastion

two big retractable shields that can be more or less repaired or replaced

[torn spoke]

those are some wierd country flag stickers

look on the raven

[opaque elk]

se raven?

[torn spoke]

could be

[opaque elk]

😒 ofc they release a se after making it p2w

[torn spoke]

im talking about the flag stickers

[opaque elk]

looks a bit similar to the ones we have today

[torn spoke]

maybe its blurry on close up

the flag stickers is the first thing that caught my eye

[devout current]

another question

was it the volume of 3 fujins or was it 3 fujins standing in a column

[jade hare]

[devout current]

what if it was 3 fujins fused together

[jade hare]

I love fusions but not this much. Get serious and try to find another topic please

[devout current]

whats kyle rogers full lore then

[jade hare]

You can read Kyle's stories on the fandom wiki + there are some old WR youtube videos that are connected to Kyle

[snow crypt]

nah that’s probably a new legendary paintjob for raven, no se.

what we should be focusing on is what area of the world does the map show, that nessa is holding.

[abstract flare]

It has white area in the right and we can see that she is on a snow area.

There’s a base in that snow are named Base 2 and she is finding something that’s marked

[devout current]

from what i saw in the stories he had a squad that got ambushed by a unknown enemy and then he put together a squad that might have included arnav poe to look for them

[jade hare]

Kyle's story:
Kyle, Ragna and Frank was on a mission on Earth when they got attacked by Gray robots. Frank and Ragna died and Kyle went back to Mars. After his friends died he went on some missions trying to find out what are these robots and found a Bastion. They battled and then the Earthling that piloted the Bastion said to Kyle that he should leave. Then he recruited a new squad because he knew that he can't do this alone. The team included Jad Parkes, Linda Cano and maybe others. (He has some connection with Louis and Arnav too but Idk if they were in his new squad)

[devout current]

i think he asked arnav to join him or teach him something

[jade hare]

The only thing I know is that they fought a (some) missions together and then Kyle said to Arnav that he could teach some things to Kyle

"How could he compare himself with the likes of Kyle Rogers? But one day, after a battle, Arnav received a message from Kyle saying, "It was an honor to fight at your side. I could learn some tricks from you, Arnav!" The message finally gave Arnav the confidence he needed."

[devout current]

now he tricks arnav into joining

[jade hare]

Nah

1. We don't know if Arnav is in Kyle's team
2. He's not tricking him. He doesn't act like that

[stuck imp]

Arnav is a special pilot because he isn't a true pilot as Kyle : he was a scientist, far from the Eagle squad ; but he managed to get the likes of Kyle Rogers, certainly thanks to this large difference

[devout current]

are there any dominant corporations in lore

like any that are clearly ahead and superior to the others

[stuck imp]

We know that Spacetech and DSC arrived first, leaving only bad regions for Icarus and Evolife (respectively the South Pole, and the underground cave labyrinths). Yan-Di played smart by staying in orbit. So that puts Spacetech and DSC as the two biggest and "dominant" Factions, but it's really hard to tell

For example, Evolife may have some of the worst places to live on Mars, but it was them that participated to save a maximum of Earthlings with sanctuaries

[devout current]

damn so being nice doesn't always pay off

[stuck imp]

DSC : laughs in totalitarian system
Spacetech : smiles in capitalistic economy

[jade hare]

Every corporation is good in something else.

DSC: Military
Icarus: Robotics
Yan-di: Economics
Evolife: Bioengineering
SpaceTech: Well... They are the cool guys. The "best of the best". It's like all corporations combined together

[snow crypt]

spacetech does specialize in aviation and everything that has to do with it. Though they can be considered the jack of all trades in some sense.

so technically, spacetech is the one faction that explores all or most possible venues in technology.

[jade hare]

What the current year in WRF could be? 🤔

[abstract flare]

200 years after wr

Maybe 2300-2400

[devout current]

you'd think everything was seraphs at that point

[abstract flare]

Somehow Griffin still used. Maybe commanders were so poor that they have to use robots that were invented 2 centuries ago

[devout current]

ah yes the bronze league players

[jade hare]

2nd Cataclysm?

[devout current]

sent them back to the wr equivalent of the stone age

[abstract flare]

I have another theory that the reason why robotic technology didn’t develop for 200 years is the trend in space traveling

Scientists pay too much attention on it

[devout current]

wr frontier is on earth right

[abstract flare]

Idk, I haven’t played it yet

[abstract flare]

It happens in Wild 10

[devout current]

waddat?

[abstract flare]

A place with lots of resources, maybe another planet

[devout current]

with robots there already?

damn it's like 1500s britain all over again

[jade hare]

WRF takes place on The Wild Ten. A whole new solar system

[devout current]

damn they got space travel advanced enough to get to another system but still use griffins

[jade hare]

Watch the trailer again and enable texts so you can read what they say. This way you can know more about the lore and the game

I need to go now. I will come back 2 hours later

[devout current]

ima wait here

[jade hare]

I'm back

[devout current]

if the war is over who are they fighting

[abstract flare]

War just have ended then new war occurr

[devout current]

so they broke the truce

[abstract flare]

Nah, they want yummy resources in Wild 10

So they fight, just like 200 years ago

[devout current]

am confused

i thought this one is hundreds of years after wr

and they stopped fighting

so when they started again they busted out the old bots

[opaque elk]

poor people, recreational use, open to public, or maybe used for things like construction

would probably be used in tourneys if it was realistic

theyre probably dirt cheap at that point to build, would be good for like demolition derbys

[stuck imp]

Maybe museums don't exist anymore and old machines are only kept alive by pilots themselves

[jade hare]

So we know that WR is in 2143 and WRF is in 2343. Now the question is:
How do pilots from WR is still alive in WRF? 🤔

Cryogenic freezing? 🤔

Full robot body with realistic skin? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Laziness in pilot design

Also all of those theories above can be true, but considering the time gap I don't lnow if they could have survived... Because if cryogenised you need to remember they were cryogenised, and many old pilots are mercenaries so maybe better kept asleep rather than reviving a potential (contract) enemy ; and robots that last 200 years for the same reason seem unlikely 🤔

Instant thought : why to recreate the body of a skilful mercenary pilot, when you could just upload his memories and skills into a built-in robot AI ? 🤔

[opaque elk]

theyre probably placeholders

atleast i hope they are

[jade hare]

I mean we already seen some new pilots like Sparrow

[abstract flare]

We already have a scientist who accidentally turn his mind into AI in WR. I think they do the same then load their mind to a new robot body.

[devout current]

wait then what separates him from being just another bot

[abstract flare]

He has cognition

[devout current]

but so does appm3tr

now this is really a lot like overwatch omnics

[devout current]

do the different factions have government systems?

[opaque elk]

?

i guess yeah?

theres lore from pilots about their working class, government

iirc

[stuck imp]

We have a glimpse about how governments work in the Factions.
DSC is a totalitarian system led by a handful of high-ranking officers.
Spacetech is probably like our modern occidental democracies.
Yan-Di is an oligarchy led by the richest people of their society.
Evolife is already more obscure, we know their social structure is like a hive but we don't get much about their leadership
Icarus surprisingly gives no element except the mention of a "central" government in the core sectors, which constitution is unknown

[molten rose]

to me, the lore of war robots is what earth would be if people became "inhuman," with all the talks about "genetic implants" and "microchips." Almost prophetic, maybe even a warning to those of us in the real world

[stuck imp]

Each corporation reflect both the best and the worst of a particular facet of our society. 🤔
Spacetech is the successful capitalistic society, investing in both technological marvels and enhanced civil life, with sometimes disastrous outcomes.
DSC represents the humanity's military might, and pushes that so that it embraces the martial life every day.
Icarus is the computer technology so advanced that it went too far, where people don't even live in the real world anymore, except to sustain their body.
Evolife is maybe the most human faction at its roots, but their desire for efficiency pushes them to the most inhuman decisions.
Yan-Di is a return to an ancient age, where the wealthiest reign for as long as they stay rich, and where the people is crushed under the kings' feet.

That's how I see the things, and I indeed believe that their design had all those warning in mind... It is easy to imagine elements worth of a dystopia, seeing all the things that can go wrong in our world

[opaque elk]

its essentially all our diff types of governments that joined together and made civilizations

[devout current]

damn i thought wr target audience was kids

[abstract flare]

12+

[devout current]

eh same thing

[stuck imp]

And not only real governments, something like Evolife may be based on certain structures we can find in our world, but they push that one step further with genetic manipulation. A society where each person does what it is designed to 🤔

[snow crypt]

evolife will have to be masters of physiological engineering if that is the case

[jade hare]

We have Scavengers too

https://tenor.com/view/family-toretto-dominic-gif-23895685

[devout current]

didn't know fast and furious was part of society

[stuck imp]

Well they are 🤔 Organic body implants are a common thing, and we know they assign every person to a specific role during the Initiation process, which is then enhanced through their body augmentations

[jade hare]

Scavengers are a big family

[devout current]

the fast and the curious

[snow crypt]

the fat and the oblivious

[devout current]

the fat and the happy

any more and i might get deported to off topic

[swift relic]

I'm curious as to what happened in the event that caused most of Earth to become inhospitable.

Was there nuclear war? Climate change? Humans being dumb as usual?

The wiki as well as the pilots give little as to what happened before all this

[snow crypt]

there are various theories as to what the cataclysm was, but i think the most canon theory out there is that humanity reached a point where they have effectively rendered the earthed unusable, then having to migrate to Mars. The period of time in between the end of the cataclysm and 2143 seems to suggest that either a self-imposed catastrophe or some form of armageddon are the likely events that happened. It was suggested that the Earth was uninhabitable for that duration, but those who thought so were proven wrong when they discovered the existence of Scavengers.

[devout current]

well peregrin raine's grandpa predicted it and prepared accordingly

so it was something obvious that was going to happen

[stuck imp]

That's one more element in the theory about something created by humans 🤔 If I remember well, Peregrine's story also mentions that the grandpa was seeing that the Corporations were destroying the Earth on the long term, which came true at some point and people wanted to have a bunker like the grandpa had...

[jade hare]

And Earthlings too

[snow crypt]

with that in mind, we can reasonably assume that the cataclysm was more or less caused by the activities of uber-competitive corporations, leading to the destruction of nature and the rapid depletion of natural resources. Resulting in some form of proxy conflict and small to large scale resource wars.

If pre-cataclysm was like anything in the current year, each major corporation would have some form of private army. Most likely consisting of infantry, tanks and other vehicles, for the purpose of ensure the safety of important assets and resources.

[jade hare]

Let's play a game 😈
The game is about transforming our current world to the 2143 WR world.
I want you guys to write down your own stories and then we will read them and say what we would have done instead of some things.
Sounds fun? 🤔

Also for this game we might have to move to another channel but idk 😅

Because it's not exactly the lore of WR unless you try to make it that way 🤔

[stuck imp]

I see it connected to the lore : we have all but a lot of elements... We know that the Corporations are behind that cataclysm, we know Earth is polluted beyond repair, and that Mars got colonised. Filling the blanks seem in the domain of Lore

[jade hare]

Then here we go. Everyone who wants to join the game feel free to write down your stories. Your goal is to fill the gap between Jan 1, 2023 and July 28, 2084 or March 13, 2087

Should we have a time limit or a date when we need to post them or something? 🤔

Like 1 week to write them down or something

[stuck imp]

Lore event : the Cataclysm Seems about right

[jade hare]

My friends betrayed me
They moved the lore related conversations to #🪐│scifi-story-lore

[stuck imp]

That's a way to open the lore to new people. I still love this comfy place don't worry, and we can even lead two lore conversations at the same time

[jade hare]

Do you remember what I said when they made that channel?

[stuck imp]

Would you please remind me kindly ?

[jade hare]

If that channel gets more popular than this they will delete this thread
That's why there's a war. Everything lore related stays here while scifi and technology goes there

[stuck imp]

Damn, they tricked us by marking the channel with "lore"

That's their plan all along

[jade hare]

Their plan was to make a channel like that for everyone (upgrading this thread) and then delete this one but they can't do that till it doesn't die

So that's why I'm not talking in that channel

[stuck imp]

I wanted to answer Matroska there because the topic is interesting, but then ... She betrayed us 🤔

[jade hare]

Yeah. She betrayed us and then tricked you to join that chat

[stuck imp]

She's evil

I fell in her trap

[jade hare]

I'm here alone now against the whole server keeping this chat alive

[stuck imp]

I'm with you man, you opened my eyes... What would I be without your Magik ?

[jade hare]

Well... Idk but I'm magik man. I can understand complex things and my memory is really good so if something happens I will be here

[boreal sedge]

Why not?

I actually think that moving to that channel will attract more people, which you guys can talk to

@stuck imp is wise

[snow crypt]

attract? Most people in this server aren’t very proficient in the lore and that’s understandable, because not everyone has the time or energy. If anything, very few people are willing to engage in such lengthy discussions, where you have to know your stuff to have a good conversation.

Most people here are here to learn and talk about war robots the game, not so much for the universe and it’s entirely.

[jade hare]

Yeah

[jade hare]

I would prefer to talk to only a few people who actually know what we are talking about than talking to some random guys that doesn't even know that the game has lore. WR's lore is complex and it's not for everyone. If someone wants to know more about the lore then they need to search for it and if they search they will find the channel

Also you are one of those people too who wants this channel dead, so why would I just give up and move this whole thing to that channel

[boreal sedge]

What makes you say that I want this channel dead?

Don't cross a line you don't want to cross 🙂

[jade hare]

I mean you said you think moving this whole thing there would be better and moving it would make the channel dead

I don't want to cross lines I'm just thinking like this

[boreal sedge]

It would be better because more people would get involved in my opinion

[boreal sedge]

You're assuming things

Also, that was such a nice first thing to say when that channel got open @jade hare

War

[jade hare]

Look. I don't want to make anyone mad or anything. I just want this channel like this and that's it

[boreal sedge]

Ok, then go on

I never said that this channel should be closed so stop assuming things

Ok, back on the subject

WR Lore.

[jade hare]

Ok but keep in mind that assuming is my job as a lore keeper so I can't promise anything. Also sorry if I made you mad, I didn't want to

[snow crypt]

back to it then, what motherships are likely to be used for space travel if the five corporations wanted to reach the wild 10, in 2143?

every mothership can carry 25 regular robots, 5 titans, 7 drones? And probably up to 30 pilots, with the rest being crew. Question is how well equipped are certain motherships for withstanding interstellar punishment and extraterrestrial threats, on their journey to the wild 10.

lets see if we can try to debunk the 100 year gap between 2143 and 2243.

[stuck imp]

We know the Frozen Scorn has cannons, as seen in the poster depicting it as being able to rip apart even other motherships. Other motherships may lack of close-quarters defensive weaponry 🤔 And about shields, the Mantis has an external shield generator so we can consider that the ship can be shielded against attacks (though a Mantis could be seen one-shot by a Frozen Scorn despite this hypothesis)

[jade hare]

2343 actually because 200 years have passed

But my guess is that they made a new ship

[stuck imp]

Seeing how similar are the robots used on the Wild 10 compared to our current machines, we can surely speculate the same for their ships 🤔

[jade hare]

Then not new ships but new thrusters and armor maybe so their ship is capable of traveling long distances

[stuck imp]

Have pilots ever considered the danger that flying robots represent ? 🤔 In the game you can fly around fearless on a Seraph or whatever modern flying machine, never bothered by the punishment a lucky bullet could deliver... Hitting a thruster and the whole machine would barely keep its control. Seeing the number of exhausts on modern machines, this risk seems to grow ever bigger but somehow less and less considered. Fancy designs take the scene instead of safety and redundancy. I even wonder if those robots have a failsafe landing system, should their engines critically fail at the worst moment. Let's not forget that WR doesn't have fall damage, but real conditions have

[jade hare]

The answer is: Magik

Actually I will think about this but not now. It's 23:05 and I need sleep

[stuck imp]

Alright, good night. Now dream of magik thrusters all night 😈

[jade hare]

I will dream about my WR stories

~~I still need to write down chapter 7 ~~

[devout current]

the more cautious pilots would probably lean towards stealth bots or tanks

[devout current]

or the escape pod could be activated manually

[snow crypt]

i think the idea with flying robots, was that they are supposedly to occupy a role of fire support. Like any well kitted gunship, it sacrifices durability in favour for firepower and speed.

The thinking, atleast from what I can tell is that SpaceTech engineers and military officials who authorized the designs we see in wr, is that logistics is of little concern. Maybe, these flying robots are cheaper or perhaps just easier to produce with the abundance of resources that the faction has access to. Or maybe there is demand for a robot that can act like flying air support (Ao Jun and Ao Ming), and even that there could be further specialization, as we have the Hawk and Seraph for dealing with titans.

If the robot in question can either fly pretty damn fast, or have some other countermeasure (stealth or some sort of shield) to ensure its survival while executing a mission, then there is little incentive to give it enhanced durability. Now because HMGs and other autoaim weapons exist, these engineers could have easily given their next generation flying robot stealth or a forcefield, before every considering armor. This is probably part of the reason why thrusters and other stabilizers on some robots are vulnerable to line of fire, as their one of the least things to consider when you have one or more countermeasures that could prevent damage to these parts in the first place.

If Seraph followed any real logic, it would be no tougher than a Hawk. Otherwise it would have to sacrifice speed in favour for increased durability. And obviously, WR isn’t realistic like mechwarrior or battletech, where you can shoot some part of the robot to incapacitate it or reduce its effectiveness in combat. No in this game you can max out every single statistic and still call it a medium robot with “adequate” firepower and speed for what its supposed to be.

piloting any flying robot, is a feat in of itself, because of the number of additional risks and other responsibilities that come with it. When compared to a regular robot pilot. It is almost being comparable to an airforce pilot.

[jade hare]

I agree with you

[stuck imp]

But then, do engineers even think about Shiekdbreaker and Quantum Radar when designing the robots with exposed thrusters (supposedly compensated by their now useless defense system) 🤔

And I understand that pilots of such robots would indeed be the equivalent of our aircraft pilots nowadays : bigger power means bigger responsibility. But I am sad they the game doesn't make us feel that added risk

[jade hare]

I mean in real life we do the same. We know that someone can counter our technology but we still make the thing that way because it's still better of some can counter it than all of them can

[stuck imp]

I just thought of something : robots may be protected in flight, but what about on the ground ? 👀 In real life, aircrafts like attack helicopters have a more consistent plating than other types of aircraft's for example, but still they shouldn't be used as main battle tanks... Somehow in WR those flying robots end up taking enormous amounts of damage (blowing off their weapons and legs !) but they can continue to flight without further trouble. Something is truly off here

[jade hare]

Imagine if you could blast off robots' parts

[stuck imp]

Some other games let you do that with surgical precision. I Battle of Titans you can destroy the thrusters of Cormorant (flying robot) in order to disable it's flight capabilities... And it's is very slow and cumbersome on ground, compared to the robots in WR it feels like a much more appropriate behaviour

Functionally, blasting parts of the hull would have effects only on Armor efficiency, while blasting weapons and critical systems have an immediate impact

[devout current]

well wr hasn't made sense for a while

[stuck imp]

Putting RNG-based hull destruction is an issue by itself... Indeniable advantage : no skill gap. Obvious drawback : no skill required ; and an insane frustration that results from losing your weapons to random

[devout current]

hmgs would be funky

[stuck imp]

The problem is that WR grew up with auto aim. The other game I take for a much better reference has a semi-auto aim instead : you have 100% control of your camera, and on top of that the reticle snaps automatically onto the parts you want to target (enemy hull, weapons, legs...). Of course you need to be up close to dismantle the enemy's robot entirely, for both shots accuracy and for the aiming system to actually detect the parts to target

[devout current]

well stealth is a big part of wr

with a aiming system that would fall apart

unless of course you made them invisible

but that would make loki annoying

[stuck imp]

That's the neat part : Stealth works entirely differently in that game It's a range-based system acting on an interaction between Radar Range and Radar Signature. An increased radar range allows to detect enemies further, while a reduced signature makes you harder to detect at long distances.
Manual aiming is always possible, but the way Stealth works prevents any robot being invisible below 250m (minimal signature + shortest radar range possible)

And while an enemy is effectively Stealthed, the name and cursor disappears and your aiming system cannot snap on it

[devout current]

sounds complicated

[stuck imp]

WR made you used to simplicity Once you understand it, you get why it's way better designed than WR... I still don't get why pilots don't have full control of their weapons in WR 🤔

Like, manual aiming disappeared 👀 They leave their life in the hands of a faulty targeting system

[devout current]

lots of things wrong with this targeting system but not much can be done without a complete overhaul

[opaque elk]

this place still exists?

[jade hare]

Yeah

[devout current]

if everett became a ai could a ai with enough consciousness become a human?

[stuck imp]

That's a risk that exists, I believe that the day when we will create such an AI is known as the "Singularity" 🤔 But the most probable outcome is that the AI will turn back against its creators because mathematically humans are to be destroyed to preserve the natural balance and to solve all problems

Which, of course, humans don't want for their own survival

[devout current]

but appm3tr is a healer right

he helps people

would he gain enough sentience?

[stuck imp]

We don't know if Appmetr is a sentient AI or not. An AI can be extremely advanced but not yet enough to he considered equal to a human 🤔 Also he has been reprogrammed at some point, which would certainly lead to sentience limitations in order to avoid such hazardous consciousness levels

[jade hare]

What if an AI's goal isn't to solve problems but to advance to be the best? Then he wouldn't care about humans destroying everything and it would join and become a human too 🤔

[devout current]

that means humanity is already the peak

[snow crypt]

doesn’t matter either way, the Ai is still solving problems, how do you think our technology advanced at all? To solve problems that we come across.

We are flawed in more ways that one, all it takes is the Ai learning that and that’s it for humanity, it doesn’t matter what we do next. There will be no equality, it is either the Ai considers itself more advanced and better than us, or less advanced than us but not less intelligent. Remember that Ai’s don’t have empathy like we do, so it’s near impossible to understand anything other that what is considered logical, in terms of reason and motivation.

[tight basin]

Thank you for the honor, Mr Atom that this discussion will take place,

We are here at this meeting that takes place in #Wr Lore, discussing regarding a simple question of 'are they the same person?', please if you have an opinion, share it with us, so we can figure out the most logical answer, Thank you

[jade hare]

I thank you for bringing this good question here

[devout current]

check his spleen

if it's not flesh then it's not theseus

[jade hare]

The pilot on the second picture pilots a Nightingale and the picture was made before Theseus came out so that pilot might be Theseus before he lost his body parts

[devout current]

would theseus like dinosaurs though

[jade hare]

🤷‍♂️

[jade hare]

Actually now that I think of it, both bots (Nightingale and Skyros) are some kind of supporter bot. Nightingale repairs allies and Skyros distracts the enemies so other bots can escape/destroy the enemy. Nightingale is just a rookie supporter bot. He just repairs allies and runs away if there's too much enemies while Skyros goes to the enemy spawn and distracts the enemies like a real chad

[devout current]

also theseus: suicide dives a luch

[jade hare]

Yeah

[white sandal]

Grey bots might be the PvE bots

Wow that comment is old

[jade hare]

I think we already discussed gray robots but it's good to see people going back and reading the lore

[snow crypt]

that nightingale pilot could be any other pilot, remember that there are standard pilot suits and gear for your generic pilot.

Only if they become renowned in some way, do they get better gear or something to make them stick out from the crowd. Or in the case of Theseus, having multiple close calls and lethal injuries, which have garnered his reputation.

[opaque elk]

what makes you think theyre the same?

im pretty sure having a hud display is standard for any robot

thougth the second pilot mightve been related to thesus

theres no way thesus started collecting things only after he became a cyborg and we dont see any dinosaur in his cabin

[snow crypt]

every pilot would be collecting things, a pilot can choose to wear their helmet all the time if they want to. There is nothing in that picture that can be related to theseus

[opaque elk]

uhhh

bench

yable

thing

might be a coincidence

but i dont think theyd purposly make it look the same

idk

[snow crypt]

mostly likely a coincidence

[opaque elk]

well if it was any studio other than pix than it might be lore related

but tbh, i dont think pixo cares

[snow crypt]

some of their staff don’t , some do.

[opaque elk]

well

staff arent making decisions in game companys

...not anymore

but yeah prob coincidence

[devout current]

do the artists even know it's the same game though

[opaque elk]

lul

[jade hare]

Kyle had a similar armor when he piloted his first bot but then he changed it when he got the Hawk

[jade hare]

Maybe he lost the dinosaur during a match? 🤔

[devout current]

noo

maybe it's in his body

[jade hare]

[white sandal]

Or lost it in a bet

[jade hare]

Why would he bet on something? 🤔

[devout current]

he seems like a very impulsive man

[white sandal]

Or gamble maybe

[white sandal]

That's what I was thinking as well

[devout current]

he did dive a luch

and half his body is replacements

[white sandal]

True

[jade hare]

Why would he want to gamble? 🤔

[tight basin]

Hmm🤔, NG belongs to DSC, but theseus is from Icarus, and skyros belongs to Icarus, either Icarus stole DSC's bot or theseus isnt NG pilot, the helmet at theseus's artwork also supported this, in his artwork the helmet has a hole where the right side of his head would be, but if we look at theseus's head, his right side doesnt look damaged

[jade hare]

What if only the helmet got damaged? Like the helmet broke and he didn't got damaged because the helmet protected it

Also his eyes are damaged too and the helmet got damaged there too

[tight basin]

What about the holes in front of his forehead?, Those look big enough to pierce through skull

[jade hare]

I think those are there beacue of his eyes. To support that eye replacement thingy

[tight basin]

Hmm🤔

[devout current]

doesn't he hate being called mr icarus

[jade hare]

He does

[white sandal]

To get someone out of det or to get money to help someone, he seams a caring kind of person.
Or to get better mech parts like a lot of pilots do.
Or just for the thrile of it, he is definitely shoot twice think later

[jade hare]

I mean yeah he is a caring kind but I don't think he gamble. He maybe does some bets with his friends but that's it

[white sandal]

@jade hare he might have traded it or gambled it for his bot wich is from a different faction

Normally the pilot has the same faction as that bot they drive

[jade hare]

I'm confused now. He traded what and for which bot?

[devout current]

he gambled his dinosaur

[jade hare]

It's just a 5-10 cm tall toy. How could he traded it for a whole robot...

[stuck imp]

Charisma : level 100

Increase your Persuasion tests by d20+10 for each person in hearing range. Add an additional d6 for each person directly seeing your face.

Increase your Speech skill by d6 for each successful Persuasion test during a single discussion. Add an additional d12 for each critical success

[devout current]

it could be a very very cute dinosaur

[jade hare]

Would you trade your best/favourite robot for a little toy?

[snow crypt]

y’all forgetting that antiques like the dinosaur are worth a lot of money for certain collectors, if it is pre-cataclysm material that was considered lost to time.

some collector’s edition vehicles are worth more than the newest vehicles today

[stuck imp]

But such a deal can only be made with someone wanting to retrieve this pre-cataclysm object. And there is no obvious reasons as why they would have a top-tech war robot 🤔

Most notably, this robot should have seen almost no use to it's previous owner's eyes, to be exchanged so easily... This cuts down the number of potential persons to deal the antique dinosaur for a war machine

Like, if your life depends on your robot you won't gonna exchange it for anything

[devout current]

if it was a nice one yeah

heck i pilot a skyros and it's my only mk2 bot

[opaque elk]

why would he gamble the dino

[jade hare]

That's what I'm asking too

[devout current]

idk we're thinking of ways he lost it

[white sandal]

Arr that's pretty obvious, if they are after per collapse stuff they must have a lot of $$$ wich means they are high up in society and would have plenty of ways to get a mech.

Do we know the size of it? It could be the size of a now day big toy dino wich would make a impressive display peace

[jade hare]

It's probably around 10-15cm

[stuck imp]

Yeah that's an actual toy... I don't see how this can value a combat mech

[white sandal]

It's like antique stuff we find from ancient civilisations now days

[stuck imp]

Could you trade a piece of Roman artistry for a modern battle tank ? 🤔

Unless you have tons of them, the trade seems complicated. But then who would have tons of tanks to trade ?

[white sandal]

The high up people for a faction have tons of mechs they could trade for old world stuff and have the contacts to organize something like that

[devout current]

also they might really like dinosaurs

[white sandal]

Or it reminds them of what they had pre cataclysm

[jade hare]

Only some people collect pre cataclysm stuff. Ricardo, Jad and maybe the Scavengers

[stuck imp]

This is why I doubt to have a coincidence with a guy that loves such antique objects and trade it for a high-tech combat robot

[devout current]

maybe the dinosaur is a tiny module

[stuck imp]

It possesses some pre-cataclysm electronics to emit a dinosaur noise when you rub its belly

[devout current]

sonic dinosaur

[jade hare]

Can we get serious again?

Did Nightingale had another faction before DSC? 🤔

[stuck imp]

Spacetech

It suffered the Great Migration

[jade hare]

Hmm... That's the only thing that separates the 2 pictures/pilots. An Icarus pilot piloting Icarus bots but NG is a SpaceTech bot 🤔

All other things connect the 2 pictures but this one separates them

[white sandal]

The new pilot nesa said her grandfather liked collecting per cataclysm furniture and other stuff because it reminded him of home and he was sort of up there. The family sold it to cover det when he died wich also means someone brought it so there is still interest

[jade hare]

Yeah, maybe Scavengers bought it or people who managing the scrapyard. Maybe Ricardo and Jad bought it

[white sandal]

Trading stuff would explain how he got a different factions bot

[jade hare]

I mean there can be trading among factions. Like they trade a bot to another one

[devout current]

or maybe he was originally dsc

[white sandal]

Would you give your tech to another company and give them a potential edge over you?

[jade hare]

What if they traded a bot with the same tech?

Or a tech for tech trade

[white sandal]

I really don't think there is much cooperation between the companies. There is a reason they steal tech from each other instead of trade.

And it makes sense why there is so much fighting in wr

[jade hare]

As Lézard said once:
+ is canon
+ I remember seeing that somewhere
+ Scavengers

So trades are there between the factions

[white sandal]

Oh cool

[stuck imp]

Icarus + Scavengers is more of a optimistic conjecture

[jade hare]

Yeah

I still need to make a logo for them

But it will be hard

It's an easy logo but there are many forms of it

[jade hare]

What faction is Damned Johny from? 🤔

We know Thomas is Evolife with an Evolife bot and Samael is Icarus with an Evolife bot. Johny has a SpaceTech bot but we don't know his faction. Or do we? 🤔

[devout current]

whatever faction he belonged to had good healthcare

not like roberto baros

[white sandal]

Or a generous employer

[devout current]

unless roberto was just a really bad pilot that everyone hated

[jade hare]

I think they just thought that he died because they didn't get an SOS signal and his escape pod stuck too

[opaque elk]

oh yeah

are WR videos lore accurate?

cause they teased bastion

[stuck imp]

Indeed the Bastion might return in the Hunting Grounds 🤔

[jade hare]

Yeah, Bastion is canon in the WR lore (as we know from Kyle's stories) and he might come back now

Also there's a little problem 😅

Bastion has a pilot so it's not a gray robot. So we have 2 throries:

1. Bastion's pilot is the leader/creator of the gray robots
2. WR is being WR and the gameplay doesn't match with the lore

[opaque elk]

yo what

wasnt bastion a moving home

like a fortress

[jade hare]

Bastion was the first form of Raijin. They had the same ability and all but Bastion got remodelled and Raijin was born. Later when pilots came out they made Bastion into a giant 4 legged walked on Earth that a Hawk could barely even scratch (this is in Kyle's story). And now they making it into a gray robot

This is the official timeline of Bastion but we made some custom ones too on the roleplay server (including a walking protective home for the Earthlings)

[stuck imp]

I wonder if Kids are still used by either Spacetech or DSC 🤔 I mean, this machine may be cheap but it is outclassed by any modern Titan, and even the most advanced robots available. Even Arthur for DSC and Murometz for Spacetech are better picks against many enemies.

[jade hare]

Maybe they use them for training

#🪐│scifi-story-lore message

@snow crypt @stuck imp

For energy shields I think they work something like this, it's just more advanced. It's pure energy (electricity) which can protect you from solid bullets and stuff like that but energy weapons and flames go through

[snow crypt]

in other cases, a barrier is generated which can deflect or absorb projectiles depending on how much kinetic energy they have and where that energy goes at the point of impact.

in theory, such a barrier can deflect a projectile that hits it at an angle greater than 30 degrees, the chances only increases from there.

[jade hare]

As I can see we already have something similar? 🤔

[snow crypt]

i believe they are control via magnetism, a magnetic field.

[jade hare]

Idk 🤷‍♂️

[snow crypt]

a paper from 1865 suggests that electromagnetic fields are capable of storing energy, this energy can be converted from mechanical energy (or kinetic energy as a result from inertia)

so the field can capture this energy, and in turn channel it into a barrier that can stop any momentum that the physical projectile has, vaporization or deflection can occur as a result.

[jade hare]

Exactly

[snow crypt]

two electromagnetic fields will need to be generated at a fixed distance with a specific radius, so there is an inner and outer layer that can hold whatever accumulated energy the shield has gained in between them. Energy from the robot’s reactor or batteries add energy to the shield whenever it is not at maximum capacity according to how much the fields can store.

[white sandal]

Any idea why they haven't made agexs shields that you can mount onto bot weapon slots?

[snow crypt]

because there isn’t demand for one

look at how popular the ancile is

[jade hare]

I'm already lost but I will keep saying yes

[snow crypt]

it’s complicated to say the least, and in any well explained theory, it should work. But in practice, sometimes that isn’t the case.

[jade hare]

So the energy shield theory is finished? We know how they work?

[snow crypt]

no, far from it. I’m not gonna type out an essay on how it works on here.

[devout current]

maybe as cannon fodder

[jade hare]

Aegis is just a much more concentrated energy shield that can deflect energy weapons too and the same goes to Absorber but it has a timer

[devout current]

or like a army of kids since they're so cheap they're expendable and enough of them can overwhelm the more expensive titans

[jade hare]

Kid is not that bad tho

[tight basin]

Just need a slight buff

[snow crypt]

the absorber, is a complex system that generates an electromagnetic field with a very high finite capacity for energy. This field absorbs most, if not all forms of energy and stores it within the shield itself, to prevent leakage or become overloaded, the absorbed energy is transferred to an internal system which can use the energy to increase power to other functions that the robot may have.

The timer is to prevent the shield from drawing additional power from the robot itself, to a point where the energy usage is greater than the net energy that is regained, to allow multiple activations. Some other reasons could be that maintaining such an indestructible shield has proven to be unsustainable, compared to standard and aegis class shields, a timed shutoff would be to ensure the safety of the robot’s internal systems.

Drone chips, are a much smaller scale version of the absorber system. The only difference here is that they have an even shorter timer and deactivate the electromagnetic field, allowing whatever absorbed energy to be transferred out into the surrounding environment. This suggests that this version operates on a battery that is probably big enough to have multiple activations, with its short cycle times. Additional, another system that is capable of projecting an electromagnetic field onto something that is much larger that itself, is also used in this variant. Once again, the 5 second duration and cooldown suggest that this variant is a more compact version that does exactly what it’s supposed to do, nothing extra or unnecessary, while also being able to be mounted on drones that have slots that can support such a system.

[snow crypt]

someone asked for kid to get a buff? i was just attacking one and i was taking damage for just attacking it, it wasn’t even shooting at me.

kid now has damage deflection

[devout current]

well they're cheap

in the wr universe though what currency would they use

and how expensive would titans be

[jade hare]

Platinum? 🤨

[devout current]

ok i kind of shot myself in the toes there

[jade hare]

Maybe gold 🤔

[devout current]

but would they have one currency for everything

or specialized ones like in game

and how would they obtain that

oh dear you're about to text wall me aren't you

[jade hare]

I mean pc is some kind of fuel for modules, they give energy to them so they can activate them.
Silver is for bots to upgrade and stuff like that (same as in game).
Gold is same as in game but they pay mercenaries with gold too.
And platinum is for titans but in the lore they maybe use gold instead of it.

There's 2 special currency:
Upgrade tokens and Gems.
As we already talked about this, we made our own lore for them.
They are made out of Exogem which is an interesting and special material which can contain encoded information.
Exogem (Gems) is a really rare material so it's expensive (in the game their value = real money)
And there's Exoshards (Upgrade tokens) which are there to either exchange information for a max robot or download the info and learn how to max out a bot (the second one seems better to me)

[jade hare]

Yes I am because I'm Mr. Complicated

[devout current]

augh

gimme a sec to read

[jade hare]

Take your time

[devout current]

idk about the glowing dorito part

but yeah the rest makes sense

also have we considered wood being valuable

in the lore earth is basically screwed from the cataclysm

and earth is the only planet to have wood

[jade hare]

I think wood is not valuable because nobody uses it nowadays but plants and other organic food/stuff is valuable

[devout current]

it's sort of a collector thing

unless someone thought to bring saplings

[jade hare]

Earthlings and Scavengers have real plants on Earth (according to our own lores) but it's not that much

Evolife has plants too but they are modified and stuff

[devout current]

would peregrin have trees down there in his bunker

[jade hare]

Maybe not a whole tree but a small or medium sized plant

[devout current]

kind of reminds me of the lorax movie

where there's one last plant

[jade hare]

Yeah

[devout current]

it all depends on what the cataclysm was and if the trees could survive it

are we ever gonna figure out what the cataclysm was

[jade hare]

I don't think so. We can come up with some theories but we don't know the exact reason why and what happened

[devout current]

sad

[stuck imp]

With that representation I think we get the most physically acceptable version for energy shields, even if we get some hypothesis on top of that.

I think however that it dooms the clean hexagonal pattern we see in-game : if that's a field then I don't see the reason to have surface patterns 🤔 Aesthetics should not be the priority, and a blank shield should answer the durability needs we require

[jade hare]

"It's a WR. Gameplay is different from the lore" — Capitaine Lézard

Those patterns are there because Pix thought the shield would look better and they thought it right

They have no other purpose

[stuck imp]

A nice glowing bubble could be stylish too 🤔

[jade hare]

Yeah but maybe it didn't fit the WR theme 🤔

[stuck imp]

In any case we don't see anything through neither of those when fired upon

[jade hare]

WR is about hexagons

[stuck imp]

Forcefield may have surface patterns too now that you say that 🤔

Hexagons idk, but I remember seeing nodes and lines

[jade hare]

We forgot the Forcefield

It works the same as all the other energy shields but the magnetic field is different so it follows the shape of the robot

Ok, we are done with this too

[jade hare]

Talking about Forcefield, I have a question

We have this 2 bots. Let's say Thomas and Johny is still alive and they want to have fun again. Now the question is:
Which robot do they pilot?
Nether is SpaceTech so it's good for Johny but the robot's style and playstyle is better for Thomas. The same goes for Angler, it's Evolife so it's good for Thomas but the style and playstyle is better for Johny

Maybe they got these bots and then exchanged them for the other's bot? 🤔

[stuck imp]

I don't think the Factions matter that much for such famous mercenaries. Do you think that Thomas would refrain from getting the latest Spacetech robot ?

[jade hare]

No, I just thought that their old robots were in the same faction as them (I mean idk about Johny's faction but let's say it's SpaceTech) so their new bots should follow this path too

Actually maybe it's not SpaceTech but eh

But yeah you have a point. Factions doesn't matter that much

[stuck imp]

Also, Soren De Vos using an Icarus robot, Nian using a Yan-Di one... Why would Thomas not keep an Evolife robot if he has ever access to a newer one, should it be a Nether ?

[jade hare]

You have a point

Samael is Icarus but uses an Evolife bot too

[stuck imp]

They are mercenaries... They have cut all links they had to their original Faction. And their search for performance may mean to seek in other Corporations

[white sandal]

That's because half of the weapon’s go through it

[stuck imp]

And even if they made a mountable Aegis shield, would people actually run it ? Losing a weapon nowadays means being outrunned by anyone else... Aegis is already provided by Northlight in stupid amounts, and half the people run Shieldbreakers against that

[jade hare]

Manni would definitely try it out on Erebus

[opaque elk]

power draw?

[snow crypt]

@jade hare finally found hank, he is the gacha pilot in game files.

alright, what faction do you guys think he would fit into?

[devout current]

i would say yan di but he doesn't look like he's dressed for business

probably dsc

[snow crypt]

that's his usual attire, across all of his promotional videos and appearances.

[devout current]

idk much about factions

[tight basin]

ngl, that jacket looks sweet

[snow crypt]

looks like a synthetic leather coat

[jade hare]

Either DSC or SpaceTech 🤔

Also, I see a "M" on his stick. What could it be? Maybe his other name? Hank M... 🤔

Wait, if you have Hank, that means you can find the guy from the leaderboard too

Also, I still didn't checked the files you gave me via email 😅
I should do it soon tho

[devout current]

hank mike

[snow crypt]

little tidbit of lore for the current event, most robots are actually not designed for prolonged exposure to cold temperatures and snowy environments, as stated by Ricardo Gonzalez, these robots require significantly more power to continue operating at full capacity.

and apparently, all 5 factions are currently at war for the last several decades on Earth (but not on Mars). This suggests that only peacetime exists on Mars, but not on Earth, where these factions are waging proxy wars and various other small-scale operations.

[jade hare]

Yeah, we know about the second part of your message but the first part seems interesting. It was written in the OP stories? 🤔

[stuck imp]

So Mars is only peace and things ? 🤔 But this confirms the delicate conditions the Icarus colony is settled in : the south pole of Mars.

But in a world where Mars is the center of the world, I even wonder why no robot can "work" in cold conditions. Like, if a simple winter on Earth is enough to disrupt them, I would want to know which engineer validated such a project in the first place

They have Forcefields, energy cannons the size of a whole battle tank, nuclear reactors onboard, and the least cold is enough to stop them I hope this is only some event bull#### or else the lore is going right in the wall

[jade hare]

They say most robots. Maybe Icarus bots can handle the cold 🤔

[stuck imp]

Shell and Hellburner at the very least... If they don't, then it doesn't make any sense

[jade hare]

Their reactor freezes

[stuck imp]

You're a funny man

[jade hare]

You know what else is funny? Magik 🤡

[stuck imp]

Oh I just thought of it : why the hell do they fight on the Moon then ? It is several thousand degrees Celsius on the bright side (don't remember exactly) and -270°C on the dark side...

Uh no maybe several hundreds, misremembered the word

[jade hare]

🤔

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-something-is-not-right-mabel-mora-selena-gomez-only-murders-in-the-building-s209-gif-26546544

[stuck imp]

Unless they use the energy from three nuclear generators to heat up the hangar to 20°C Did you hear about Lunar Warming ?

[snow crypt]

it has to do with stuff getting stuck in the intakes, like an engine with a wrench thrown into it.

[stuck imp]

.......

They are supposed to work in the void of the Moon

And they are military engines, this should not be a problem at all

[snow crypt]

the cold does not seem to be the problem here, it is debris and other stuff trapped in solid ice that causes the problems

the moon does not have that problem

but traveling to the north pole does

don’t forget, avalanches can damage almost any type of vehicle. And they can range in size as well.

metal, any type of metal becomes less durable in cold conditions.

[stuck imp]

Nowadays we have tanks that can run at absurdly low temperatures (the Russians proved it numerous times), and even in equally absurdly environmental conditions... And we have machine working on nuclear power in the void of space, do you seriously think that some dust and snow are a problem ?

They don't even have exhaust anymore

[snow crypt]

you never know, hidden variables.

[stuck imp]

You can make Earth explode with hidden variables... I can't say much to that but I despise their use

[snow crypt]

well ricardo says that their reactor can get clogged

[stuck imp]

Bruh

[jade hare]

🍿

[stuck imp]

Clogged from which aperture ?

[snow crypt]

that’s already hinting at defects and other overlooked aspects of robot design

[jade hare]

Robots that are covered in rust and dust can work perfectly but the temperature drops a little bit and they fall apart? 🤔

[snow crypt]

he was vague about it, but he further describes that the blizzards in the north are much more intensive

[stuck imp]

As such machines should not have such defects, the path of neglected points is actually valid 🤔Corporations wanting more and more power, not even ensuring the safety of their machines

[jade hare]

Why ensure safety when you can make new bots and hire new pilots

[snow crypt]

cutting corners is almost inevitable, either to save money or for some other reason.

companies in the real world do it, it’s not always obvious but it does happen.

[stuck imp]

But we're talking about private military markets, not your average home computer... Buyers should not even accept to buy machines with defects like apertures where snow and dust can clog the reactor... This means something about the state of market in WR universe, and also the false advertisement and/or negligence of buyers towards obvious flaws

[jade hare]

I will wait till you two finish this conversation and then I will continue with what I found

[snow crypt]

private markets do exist, but I do believe that black markets and buy outs, both legally and illegally are far more common and less regulated.

The standards are different too, it could be that these products are only meeting the exact requirements, nothing extra like solving minor problems that won’t even occur on a regular basis when using the product.

this case is an exception, it could be ricardo’s opinion. But i believe his opinion suggest that the buyers and producers are only doing exactly what’s asked of them, minimal quality perhaps but an asset that does exactly what it supposed to do for a reasonable price.

[stuck imp]

But the negligence remains. And robots in the first place are produced by the Corporations in a somewhat public basis. The Black Market is only the place where stolen machines end up bring sold. But a reactor issue cannot originate only from a dubious seller, the design flaws has to be there beforehand. So on the publicly unveiled model 🤔 This is my concern here

[snow crypt]

that could be attributed to the designers themselves, remember that corruption exists as well.

[stuck imp]

Imagine that the new Seraph had such issues when unveiled at the Spacetech Conference : yes those robots end up in Black Markets all across Earth and Mars, but the robots are produced by Spacetech in the first place. Who is to blame for a reactor unsafety ?

[snow crypt]

whoever designed it, but the thing is that they could always hire another person to do the exact same thing, that is even if that engineer gets fired.

i don’t see a faction like spacetech placing value on customer opinion and satisfaction.

[jade hare]

SpaceTech = America

[stuck imp]

And if those same robots are used by their defense forces : this isn't customer satisfaction anymore, but national safety...

[snow crypt]

spacetech is a corporation, not a country.

[stuck imp]

Imagine you sell a tank with an engine defect, but you use this same tank to defend yourself... There is an obvious problem

[snow crypt]

they could care less, especially when they have the money to replace whatever. Don’t matter what it is, they only design something if there is a reason, competition is one of them.

[stuck imp]

I personally wouldn't feel safe being defended by flawed machines on purpose (almost)... Capitalism of course, the rush to consumption

[snow crypt]

exactly

[stuck imp]

But Factions with limited resources such as Icarus and Evolife (completely cluttered on Mars and overshadowed by the two giants Spacetech and DSC) could not afford such mistakes 🤔 If that's a valid hypothesis, this is an interesting lore point

[snow crypt]

and going back to the lore for a second, there is little reason to develop a robot occupying a role of national security. None of the 5 factions are waging war right next to each other, there’s no demand or reason there. And it’s the mercenaries, regular people, and sometimes the military that are using such assets.

[stuck imp]

Each Faction has a pilot academy though 🤔 For what reason then ?

[snow crypt]

same reason why universities exist

[stuck imp]

Take that rather like a military academy... Because there's an army to teach

We know -assumed- universities exist in WR, they have different purposes

[snow crypt]

then it’s psychological engineering

[stuck imp]

University is for people, pilots are for war 🤔

[snow crypt]

not always, atom can tell you all about it.

[stuck imp]

Why to form tank commanders in day-to-day life ? 🤔 If Atom has a valid reason then I'm curious

[snow crypt]

because there is a demand for them

[stuck imp]

🤔

Then why not private schools ? Outside of the official Corporations ? 🤔

Although Corporations are private already

[snow crypt]

yeah so why waste resources making private schools when they already have academies and universities

[stuck imp]

Because there is a demand for them

Why to make more than one university per country then ? If we already have one

[snow crypt]

location, but you can’t just build anywhere on mars

[stuck imp]

And on Earth, although it is more Scavenger-like ?

[jade hare]

I'm not gonna read that

[stuck imp]

We must think outside of the five Factions sometimes...

[snow crypt]

earth is a battleground, why would you want to build a private school there

[stuck imp]

Mercenaries could offer their services on Mars too

[snow crypt]

for a price

[stuck imp]

That's a private business, outside of the Corporations, and totally feasible

[snow crypt]

well sure

[stuck imp]

I could totally see like highly reputed Mercs offering their services to form new recruits, with a better quality than the pilot academy. That seems like a good retirement plan for an old man

[snow crypt]

not everyone can be adrian chong

[stuck imp]

But many old Mercs can certainly teach a few things to recruits... It's a business, and Adrian Chong may not teach every recruit at the DSC academy. It's one teacher certainly among many others

[white sandal]

You don't know how cold the winters are

[stuck imp]

The academy is certainly not as depicted in the lore we have (propaganda ?)... Adrian is certainly an excellent teacher, but remember there is Jack Moore out there too, and many others. And that's only in DSC

[snow crypt]

that could be out of occupation, being payed to do so.

[stuck imp]

Dark side of the Moon is -270°C in the void. Your -60°C in winter is like nothing compared to that. The fact that robots fight on the moon but get stuck in winter makes no sense outside of the snow they can hypothetically clug the reactor according to Ricardo

[snow crypt]

only thing that can achieve some effect is a massive avalanche that can cover the entire robot, impeding any movement.

[white sandal]

It's probably because the cold clumps together ash and stuff from the calamity and they definitely aren't using reactors that we use in real life

But that does seam weird but so is we lore

[snow crypt]

it is, there is also the argument that ricardo, nessa and sylvia are using dated or worn out robots that lead to such issues.

[white sandal]

That sounds right, given the retro rev has a image of it being dug up and the other 2 are old bots

It also might just be an excuse not to go there either

[devout current]

what about scavs though

would they adapt the bots

or is this a one time thing

[snow crypt]

i suspect that they do adapt their robots for whatever they need them for, though it just comes down to the resources that they have.

the retro revenant is pretty much a homemade prototype that can experience failures more often and is generally more susceptible to temperature fluxes, when compared to the standard version.

Ricardo or whoever built the Revenant tried to compensate by increasing its durability, how this is achieved in the overall design is beyond me, but most certainly it is not adapted to work in extreme weather conditions for prolonged periods of time. For Ricardo, we could assume it is an isolated case.

Nessa and Sylvia use Raven and Angler, they could be already battleworn but certainly not outdated. If they are even bogged down by a build up of debris and snow in any manner, they it has to be because of extensive wear and tear in the various parts of the robots themselves. Though one can argue that they could just get them repaired, but at the time of the expedition it does not seem to be the case.

And i forgot to mention this earlier, but they were attacked by a pack of Ghosts, piloting Orochis during the expedition. Nessa in particular survived an encounter with Everett and his Nether beforehand.

so theoretically, Nessa, Ricardo and Sylvia have fought against a Nether (only Nessa) and possibly several Orochis. That’s before the player is even included.

[opaque elk]

so theoretically a raven can go up against a nether?

[white sandal]

Stealth got it away

[opaque elk]

yeah thats what i was thinking

wonder how raven stealth works

does she just hook up the stealth drive to the jump activator thingy

could be like rerouting a piece of hardware

tho theoretically wouldnt you need more power

[white sandal]

That explains why it has less hp in the lore

[snow crypt]

it seems she replaced some of the raven's armor with the stealth system, modified the raven's batteries and engines to accommodate the increased load, and possibly did some quick and dirty hotwiring and circuitry to have the stealth system activate while the raven is in flight. She might have had help with these modifications however.

[snow crypt]

with that in mind, any robot that is as big as raven can be jury rigged with additional systems, not just a stealth system. Theoretically, you can jury rig a Revenant to also have Stealth while its ability is active, or give it its own shield generator. This is also possible with titans after some proper adjustments, however whatever you put in, you gotta take something internal out; Armor plating is one of the first things that come to mind, at least when it comes to certain pilots.

for cases like svyatogor, yang lee, and everett, it could be that their robots have enough excess tonnage to accommodate a system that can bypass quantum radar or energy shield. Meaning that they won't have to improvise much.

[jade hare]

Wait, so you mean Ghosts are in the event and they fought with Nessa and the rest of the team?

[jade hare]

Also, why do I think this 3 connects?

On the SpaceTech Conference someone downloads something secret. 3V3R3TT then receives a mysterious device with an app and then Nessa tells us that he stole the infos from 3V3R3TT who got them from SpaceTech...

So I think maybe Tal Mokri or Thomas or idk who attacked the Conference, stole some infos, programs and devices, then gave those to 3V3R3TT who then became an AI and the Ghosts went to get those things back but then Nessa stole it so now both the Ghosts and 3V3R3TT is after Nessa

[opaque elk]

does WR devs actually write lore

[jade hare]

What do you think why we have this channel? 🤔

[opaque elk]

or do they just put some random info and let the players create their own lore as to why somethings happen

tho i do wish they expanded it

[jade hare]

WR has lore but there's a lot of holes in it

[opaque elk]

AI's seem like a weird topic

some are sentient some became sentient

[jade hare]

Expand? It's already huge with a lot of holes in it. Instead of expanding they should fill up the holes

If you want to know more about the lore then search for it. Don't wish for expansion. The WR lore is already huge you just need to find the missing parts and connect them together

[jade hare]

Also answer for you question:
The devs do make lore for the game and it's really complicated with a lot of connections and holes. So we need to make our own theories to fill up the holes but then when the devs create a new story which fills up the hole then we throw away our theories and use the devs' stories

[opaque elk]

thats what i meant lol

sorry if i worded it weirdly

[jade hare]

Nah, you asked it good and clearly, I was the one who didn't give a proper answer

[serene ivy]

5/8/2022 wha

[jade hare]

What? 🤔

[serene ivy]

since when wr had a lore

[jade hare]

It always had lol

[serene ivy]

could've had matt patt here to make a GAME THEORY

[jade hare]

WR has a really complicated lore with a lot of holes in it

[serene ivy]

then matt patt would be happy cause he likes LOREEEEEEEEEEE

[opaque elk]

(and moneez)

his vids used to be short and straight to the point

now he just says the same things hes saiid in a vid years ago over and over again

[serene ivy]

who is moneez

[opaque elk]

yo what should i screenshot this

[jade hare]

Please stay on the topic or go to #🎲│off-topic

[snow crypt]

what faction would develop the time machine first

[jade hare]

Icarus

[jade hare]

What do you guys think about this? 🤔

I'm asking again because nobody responded

[devout current]

then yan di would buy it

[jade hare]

Probably yeah

[white sandal]

They seam to connect to me

[stuck imp]

This feels right. Everett stealing data in the Spacetech Archives and then being stolen back by Nessa, and the Orochis following Nessa may be sent by Everett or the Corporation alike 🤔

[jade hare]

3V3R3TT is not a SpaceTech member anymore so the Ghosts are sent by the corporation

"rebel AI"

And I don't think 3V3R3TT stole it because his story says he received them one day. So there's another person whole stole it from SpaceTech and then sent it to 3V3R3TT

[stuck imp]

One day he received a device, true. But nothing tells us that this stolen data has any link to this device. He could have stolen the data while being already in an AI form (which should explain the massive use of CAPS LOCK in the encrypted message)

[jade hare]

Everett doesn't talk with full caps lock but rather l-l-like a signal e-e-error or s-s-something

But maybe you are right

[white sandal]

Maybe they are trying to make a bit of confusion to cover up something they are doing (might link to PvE mode)

[stuck imp]

The Spacetech event took place way before we even knew Everett existed. A change may have occurred between the two events 🤔

[white sandal]

As a random roge ai is a massive problem for all factions since they have a lot of tech that needs to work

[white sandal]

Or he may not be alone

[jade hare]

But the devs think everything through. They hinted us multiple things in the past about the future that we only realised after the future became the present

[stuck imp]

So it may be someone else

Or some pilot working for Everett ? Is that hypothesis even acceptable ? Does Everett have pilots under command ?

[jade hare]

Also for some reason I think Tal Mokri was the one who stole it because of this part

We only know one genius hacker

Who hacks into the SpaceTech archives from time to time

[stuck imp]

But then how to link that to Everett ? 🤔 If we cannot put Everett into this, then it's a closed story between Tal Mokri and Spacetech

[white sandal]

Makes sense since that pilot looks about 80% machine

[stuck imp]

More than appearance, we know in the lore that Tal Mokri is a notorious hacket

[jade hare]

Tal Mokri is a mysterious person. Why did he wanted Kyle to hire Jad and Linda? We don't know 🤷‍♂️

Also I just realised we have someone named "Madfox"
How did I not notice this before? 🤔

[snow crypt]

i hope that’s not me

[jade hare]

You are in the top secret folder

[white sandal]

Where is that from?

[jade hare]

WR lore videos on youtube

There's 13 videos in the playlist

[snow crypt]

madfox could be another undisclosed member of the eagle squadron, or perhaps a sleeper agent.

or simply a codename

[jade hare]

Idk. We have a squad or a person named "Wildfire" too

It's connected to Iskra

[snow crypt]

could be a group nickname

[stuck imp]

Also never forget the damned folder : "What in tarnation"

[snow crypt]

there are no gender pronouns, so therefore it is reference to the actual group that includes Iskra

[stuck imp]

I believe that Wildfire is the group name too

[jade hare]

Idk. We will see later when we get more stories

[snow crypt]

there are logs that date back to 2084 in the pic

[jade hare]

"Madfox" could be a Ghost member? 🤔

[jade hare]

I think those are the dates when the corporations moved to Mars

Because I read those and they are written down on the WR website too

[snow crypt]

their first appearances and some of their tech at the time

[jade hare]

The left is Linda's story, the right bottom is about Plato and the right top is the arrival dates and techs of the corporations

[snow crypt]

the date is 25-7-13, at the time the database was accessed

[jade hare]

Where's that written? 🤔

[snow crypt]

one on the top of the interface and twice at the bottom

[jade hare]

Oh

[snow crypt]

that was on july 7th

the year could be 2113 at the time of access

[jade hare]

I think that's 19 and not 13 🤔

[snow crypt]

so july 19th, 2113

[jade hare]

Then what's the 25? 🤔

25-7-13 (or 19)

[snow crypt]

dd mm yy

so 25 july, 2113 or 2119

[jade hare]

Wait, I think it's 78-7-19

[snow crypt]

78 is not a valid date number

[jade hare]

Maybe they use a different format in the future 🤔

[snow crypt]

they could be using star dates, but nowhere is that even suggested

unless i am missing something

[jade hare]

Idk but it's still interesting

What that date could be? It's a task or something and it's status is(was) open

[snow crypt]

july 25th, 2113 or 2119, is mostly likely the date where that database was accessed.

the current year is 2143

that tells us a few things

[jade hare]

The video came out in 2019. August 5. So maybe when they made that video it was still July? 🤔

[snow crypt]

or maybe it is unintentional

[jade hare]

2119 seems off. Some pilots didn't even born yet then

[snow crypt]

yeah, the majority of the stories take place 20+ years after

[jade hare]

See? It says Linda was born in 2116 or something like that

Maybe they started to write the database in 2113 or 19 but then why is it say Task date?

[snow crypt]

could be that these files are recorded history

like a record

the fact that Yan-Di Showdown is even in the files, might suggest that other events are conceived ahead of time before actually being planned.

[jade hare]

When did the Yan-di showdown event came out?

[snow crypt]

2019

[jade hare]

Same as the video. But when did it happen in the lore? 🤔

[snow crypt]

the event took place about a month after the release of the phantom

by the time icarus landed, they already had access to the phantom

so we can guess that the showdown must have taken place around 2090s

how old is olga and cormac at that time?

[jade hare]

Yan-di landed in 2086. How is there already an event? 🤔

[snow crypt]

good question

we don’t actually know when these events occur in the lore

the current year is 2143, but it can’t stay like that forever.

[jade hare]

I think everything that happened is between 2142 and 43

[snow crypt]

so how did these 5 factions host more than several events in the span of one year?

[jade hare]

Yes...

[snow crypt]

or

us players are playing through an interactive archive of all past events leading up to 2143

so that means there are at least 684 events

provided there was one event each month

[jade hare]

Everything started here. This is when Kyle met Tal Mokri's friend and hired Linda and Jad

And everything happened after this

[snow crypt]

what events are canon

not including stories

[jade hare]

I think every single one because everything brought something new into the game and those new things appear in the lore

Okay I found this in the redacted twin story:
"Incident Log 1717-1: 10/28/41 during routine training, Subject Group XC-1717 began performing an unscheduled maneuver without prior communication."

10/28/41

The date when they broke out from the DSC labor

But then this is Samael's story:
"Incident Report

On September 8, 2142, the oxygen supply to the colony was cut off in Sector D. 872."

Trixie's story:
"|Posted on June 15, 2143 at 5:43 pm|"

The SpaceTech Conference took place in 2143

[snow crypt]

so each subsequent event either took place a month before or after each other

that still doesn’t explain why have several anniversary events in the span of two years, unless they are not canon.

[jade hare]

Well, redacted twin one is in 2141 but that's only their escape. The actual event could have happened 1 or 2 years after the incident

Also, the anniversary events are not really related to the lore, it's related to WR's age

[snow crypt]

yeah but like any other event, something new was added. Unless you want to attribute that to just a normal technological breakthrough, with no celebratory event accompanying it.

[jade hare]

I mean none of these anniversary events were celebrations according to the lore, were they? 🤔

The only celebration that was connected to the lore was the 2022 lunar new year event which contained Yang Lee and Nian

[snow crypt]

that may be the only exception, but its in a sort of a different context.

we can set a baseline however, events that include pilot interactions can be considered canon.

[jade hare]

Yeah I know because the WR anniversary events are in spring but the lunar new year is in late winter

So all the WR anniversary events are kinda like the SpaceTech Conference. It's just a breakthrough

[snow crypt]

it seems that way

[jade hare]

The dudes in #🪐│scifi-story-lore are just

[stuck imp]

They are on another wavelength... But according to you, giving them our enlightenment is a threat to this place 🤔 Punctual interventions may be the best option

[jade hare]

I mean if you want you can explain them how the WR view works

Because we already know how it works, I just don't like that channel because you know :/

[stuck imp]

Well I tried Let's see what they have to say

[jade hare]

Also, did you know that drones are spies sent by the enemy? 🤡

[stuck imp]

Good thing I stopped using them since last year

[jade hare]

Jokes aside. You can see the WR view in War Robots VR (first person view) but to give a better experience for players in WR they made it into a 3rd person view. And when a robot "dies" the pilot ejects as we can see in game too

[stuck imp]

A 1st person view would avoid wall-clipping and other issues, while certainly being easier to code You wouldn't even have to render your own robot

Or at the very least, only protruding parts that would be visible

[jade hare]

But then you would need to put the camera inside the robot models and I think that needs some coding 🤔

[stuck imp]

How do you think Call of Duty and other FPS games do that

And their camera is already linked to the model. It only needs to be put somewhere else inside it

I think that it's only a design choice at this point. Because with a 1st person view, how could you boast your magnificent robot you bought 100 bucks

[jade hare]

But then you would need to make the robots' inner parts

And you wouldn't see Scorpions behind you

I think 3rd person view is better for WR

[stuck imp]

A 1st person view would need other means to have this sense of obstacles around you. The player would need both a scanner to detect obstacles at 360° to avoid useless wall collisions, and a proximity warning for nearby enemies like Scorpions or Revenants. Something that could easily fit inside a well-thought HUD

[stuck imp]

A generic cockpit is an easy thing. You may also make either custom variants for the player to choose among, or a unique view for each robot (only one more step in the design to be honest, should not be a big deal)

[jade hare]

Yeah, actually you could add something like this into the robot to show enemies around you

[stuck imp]

That was exactly what I was thinking about. This also explains further that this 3rd person view is a design choice rather than a technical issue. WR needs a slight view behind you ? A feature can replace it while being fpv

Or at the very least, if a 360° scanner isn't available on screen, some sort of visual indicator can always tell you about your blind angles (sides and back) while taking less information space compared to a circular/oval diagram

I am thinking about a multi-part symbol, whose bits would light up if an enemy is within a certain distance from you and in the corresponding angle, with a priority to the back section (Scorpions lol )

This thing would be linear, taking much less space than a circle

[white sandal]

That would be really cool

[devout current]

probably new overenthusiastic kids

[snow crypt]

they just don’t know enough, not to sound elitist.

[devout current]

yup new

[snow crypt]

santa exists

[devout current]

and he's really creepy

[jade hare]

I knew it

[jade hare]

He is in the lore

[devout current]

nicholas wodanson secret identity

[jade hare]

Yeah, he dressed up

[devout current]

he's the batman of wr

rich and has a secret identity

[jade hare]

[stuck imp]

Batman : the Christmas Man In theaters on January 14th

[opaque elk]

ever played MWO?

[white sandal]

.

[stuck imp]

Do people on Mars celebrate the New Year on the Earth time base ? 🤔 Because in theory they have their own definition of "new year" on Mars

[jade hare]

You are right. On Mars we call a day a Sol which is longer than a day on Earth so a year on Mars is way longer...

[snow crypt]

thats 22 and a half months

[opaque elk]

wonder if standardlized space time exists

a clock where everyone follows

[snow crypt]

everyone i imagine just uses martian time. During this period, besides historians, mercs and earth enthusiasts, nobody knows what or how time is kept on Earth.

ship captains like clyde would probably use start dates when out in space or local time, wherever he and his crew happens to be.

[jade hare]

@chrome merlin I heard you think the game has no plot/lore

So now welcome to the original #🪐│scifi-story-lore . This thread was the first place where we started to talk about the lore and we continue to talk about it. It's kinda a closed, "secret" place because unlike channels which appear to everyone, thread are only appear to those who want to be part of it

[chrome merlin]

ok

[edgy blaze]

hi

i love mars my name is 2026 departure on mars

[jade hare]

Ok...

[stuck imp]

Damn 3 years to wait before seeing the Red Planet

[chrome merlin]

haiya 💀

[snow crypt]

there’s something wrong with these reflections here.

realistically, both the window and the building in the reflection are at the same height. But the reflection suggests either the building that i’m standing next to is suppose to be much taller, or possibly an error with how the reflection maps were setup.

it is more apparent in this position, because these aren’t actually the correct reflections, because those buildings would be totally obscure by the roof overhead.

[stuck imp]

It's certainly a trick to avoid the feared and resource-consuming Ray-Tracing 🤔

Also the robot itself doesn't seem to appear on the reflections, which is one more point towards the trick

[jade hare]

Yeah. It's like time in WR...

It was never a real thing

[stuck imp]

After exactly ten minutes all robots cease fire and everyone goes back home Why do you complain, this is totally fine

On that note, I can only cite the exquisite ends of match offered by Titanfall 2.

At the end of the match, being by reaching the score limit or the timer, the losing team is invited to reach an evacuation ship. The players don't respawn if they are killed at that step : it's the last chance to escape the combat zone alive. After less than a minute the evac ship lifts off with its passengers, and everyone aboard gets a little score bonus despite losing the game. And if course the evac ship can be destroyed by the winning team, but will require some heavy firepower (often requiring to deploy your Titan, or the entire team's anti-Titan heavy weapons)

[jade hare]

I'm not talking about the ingame time. I talk about the lore time. The game is 8 years old (if I'm correct) but the lore only moved 1 year from 2142 to 2143

I know that we have some events from 2141 or 2117, 2125 and all but those events came later with pilots. When WR first launched the year was 2142 (in 2015) and now (in 2022 or 23) the year is 2143

Also the 10 minute long battles are just there because of the gameplay. Like the infinite ammo. But we can come up with an explanation for them like you did it above

[stuck imp]

Well the lore of the game developed only during the last three years of the game, when the first pilots were released 🤔 The whole existence of the game did not contribute equally to the lore