help-development

[tender shard]

if bukkit will ever introduce modules, I am pretty sure that new NamespacedKey(String,String) will be inaccessible

so yeah I will never ever use any deprecated methods

[glossy venture]

NamespacedKey.fromString("_:" + key);
new NamespacedKey("_", key);

[grim ice]

and it's not worth using a deprecated internal method and breaking its contract

[glossy venture]

which one

k sure

[grim ice]

just for that small readability you can fix

with a comment

[glossy venture]

good point

[grim ice]

agree? mfn

[tender shard]

sure I agree

[strong parcel]

I tried your method, but I do not know how to get what is being damaged by the lightning.

[glossy venture]

but it wouldnt make sense to hide a constructor to then introduce a whole fromString fancy parsing method that does the exact same thing

[grim ice]

it does

when you're breaking a method contract

[glossy venture]

why have the contract

[grim ice]

what

[tender shard]

shit

I must have an error in my thoughts

why doesn't this work

[glossy venture]

i dont understand a single character of that lmao

what the hell does that do

[tender shard]

package com.jeff_media.morepersistentdatatypes;

import org.bukkit.NamespacedKey;
import org.bukkit.persistence.PersistentDataAdapterContext;
import org.bukkit.persistence.PersistentDataContainer;
import org.bukkit.persistence.PersistentDataType;
import org.jetbrains.annotations.NotNull;


import javax.xml.stream.events.Namespace;
import java.util.Collection;

public class DataCollection
        <C extends Collection<D>,D extends PersistentDataType<?,D>>
        implements PersistentDataType<PersistentDataContainer,C> {

    private static final String MUST_NOT_BE_NULL = "Collections stored in a PersistentDataContainer must not contain any null values.";

    private final Class<C> collectionClazz;
    private final Class<D> dataTypeClazz;

    public DataCollection(Class<C> collectionClazz, Class<D> dataTypeClazz) {
        this.collectionClazz = collectionClazz;
        this.dataTypeClazz = dataTypeClazz;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public Class<PersistentDataContainer> getPrimitiveType() {
        return PersistentDataContainer.class;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public Class<C> getComplexType() {
        return collectionClazz;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public PersistentDataContainer toPrimitive(@NotNull C collection, @NotNull PersistentDataAdapterContext persistentDataAdapterContext) {
        PersistentDataContainer pdc = persistentDataAdapterContext.newPersistentDataContainer();
        int index = 0;
        for(D data : collection) {
            if(data == null) {
                throw new IllegalArgumentException(MUST_NOT_BE_NULL);
            }
            pdc.set(getKey(index++),dataTypeClazz,data);
        }
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public C fromPrimitive(@NotNull PersistentDataContainer persistentDataContainer, @NotNull PersistentDataAdapterContext persistentDataAdapterContext) {
        return null;
    }

    private static NamespacedKey getKey(final int name) {
        return getKey(String.valueOf(name));
    }

    private static NamespacedKey getKey(final String name) {
        return NamespacedKey.fromString("_:" + name);
    }
}

it allows to save collections to a PersistentDataContainer

[glossy venture]

jezus

ah

[tender shard]

but yeah hm

[tardy delta]

what format does it use internally? 👀

[glossy venture]

oh the toPrimitive converts it to a map or something

[tardy delta]

strings?

[tender shard]

ooooh I found the error

I am stupid

[glossy venture]

that can be serialized

[tender shard]

I need a third generic type

I am so stupid lol

I wanted to save a PersistentDataType<?,PersistentDataType<?,?>>

that doesn't make sense

[glossy venture]

ah yes of course

[grim ice]

lol

[fervent gate]

Is there an event for the player rotating it's head?

[tender shard]

PlayerMoveEvent

[fervent gate]

Didn't know that included that, thx

[grim ice]

every mouse or keyboard movement counts for it

[grim ice]

when comments are missing in a generic class:

[glossy venture]

yeah

[grim ice]

jk ik ur still working on it

[glossy venture]

nah but i get so confused by that shit

[grim ice]

and my lib comments are still kinda messed up from older versions

[glossy venture]

it looks intimidating

[grim ice]

not really

[glossy venture]

at first glance

[brisk ravine]

hey all Im in need of some assistance with a plugin im using. Its suppose to give a player a heart each time they get an achievement but when ever I use it on a paper server the hearts are only visual and dont actually boost the players health. Where as it doesnt work on a spigot server. It will load the plugin like normal and even allow you to run the start command but it doesnt give you extra hearts when getting an advancement

[grim ice]

DataCollection is a class that needs a collection of D and its named C. D should extends persistent data type of <?, D>. DataCollections also implements PersistentDataType<PersistentDataContainer, C>

simple

[lime jolt]

does anyone know how to reset a plugin without having to restart the server

[tardy delta]

does it work on a spigot server?

[rough drift]

?learnjava (i only need the links go on with your convo)

[undone axle]

Here are some links to get you started on learning Java:

• https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
• https://www.sololearn.com/learning/1068
• https://www.learnjavaonline.org/
• https://programmingbydoing.com/
• https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html

The last one is the only official one, however some of those concepts assume that you already know a bit about programming.

[tardy delta]

hopefully the plugin has a proper reload implementation, i would consider /stop

[grim ice]

dont

[tardy delta]

^^

[tender shard]

not as simple as you think

[brisk ravine]

It doesnt. It will allow me to load the plugin and it will also allow me to issue the start command even giving me the go ahead in chat but once i get an achievement nothing happens and it gives me an error in my serer log

[tender shard]

I have no idea on how to continue in the pdc.set method

[lime jolt]

crys

[grim ice]

simple for the reader

not the developer :)

but whats ur problem

even though you know way more than me maybe i can help dunno

[tardy delta]

paste the error

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[tender shard]

check the line with ???

public class DataCollection
        <C extends Collection<D>, T extends PersistentDataType<?,D>, D>
        implements PersistentDataType<PersistentDataContainer,C> {

    private static final String MUST_NOT_BE_NULL = "Collections stored in a PersistentDataContainer must not contain any null values.";

    private final Class<C> collectionClazz;
    private final T dataType;

    public DataCollection(Class<C> collectionClazz, T dataType) {
        this.collectionClazz = collectionClazz;
        this.dataType = dataType;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public Class<PersistentDataContainer> getPrimitiveType() {
        return PersistentDataContainer.class;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public Class<C> getComplexType() {
        return collectionClazz;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public PersistentDataContainer toPrimitive(@NotNull C collection, @NotNull PersistentDataAdapterContext persistentDataAdapterContext) {
        PersistentDataContainer pdc = persistentDataAdapterContext.newPersistentDataContainer();
        int index = 0;
        for(D data : collection) {
            if(data == null) {
                throw new IllegalArgumentException(MUST_NOT_BE_NULL);
            }
            pdc.set(getKey(index++), ???, ???);
        }
    }

[tardy delta]

whoah alex

you need a persistent data type?

[brisk ravine]

give me a moment Let me restart the server and do it once more

I took a screenshot of it but didnt copy paste it since its on my server pc

[tender shard]

I need a PersistentDataType to store a collectio nof other persistentdatatypes

[tardy delta]

🤔

[tender shard]

I think I get it

[grim ice]

@tender shard ur not restricting the type of Collection

[wary harness]

any one can tell how it this done

[grim ice]

i can also use Collection<Integer>

[wary harness]

https://gyazo.com/0b1f153a85a2a716bd127e001209aaea

[grim ice]

and u wont cry about it

[tender shard]

 <C extends Collection<D>

it can be any collection that can be instantiated with an empty constructor

[lime jolt]

...

//this?

[brisk ravine]

https://paste.md-5.net/bacucirifi.cs

[grim ice]

even a set of integers for example?

No

[tardy delta]

ey origin realms

[wary harness]

hey

I am curious how they rotate player hands and body

[tender shard]

sure, why not

[tardy delta]

there's a bug too, when you do such a thing and rightclick, it kicks you

[tardy delta]

it cant find the method, which means that it isnt supposed to work on paper

is it a spigot plugin?

[brisk ravine]

its a spigot/paper plugin

[tardy delta]

lol is it a popular plugin?

[grim ice]

first ???: dataType, second ???: data

[brisk ravine]

"this plugin requires a papermc/spigot server to run"

[tardy delta]

or are you just using a wrong server version?

[brisk ravine]

Im using the server version from the video they posted

The plugin was created by FredtheDoggy

[tardy delta]

lol how old is that video

[brisk ravine]

Im also in his discord

A couple weeks

they used 1.18.2 because they had the new caves and what not

[tender shard]

I GOT IT WORKING

[brisk ravine]

congrats

[grim ice]

how :o

congratz

[tender shard]

public class DataCollection
        <C extends Collection<D>, T extends PersistentDataType<?,D>, D>
        implements PersistentDataType<PersistentDataContainer,C> {

    private static final String MUST_NOT_BE_NULL = "Collections stored in a PersistentDataContainer must not contain any null values.";

    private final Class<C> collectionClazz;
    private final PersistentDataType<?,D> persistentDataType;

    public DataCollection(Class<C> collectionClazz, T persistentDataType) {
        this.collectionClazz = collectionClazz;
        this.persistentDataType = persistentDataType;
    }

    @NotNull
    @Override
    public PersistentDataContainer toPrimitive(@NotNull C collection, @NotNull PersistentDataAdapterContext persistentDataAdapterContext) {
        PersistentDataContainer pdc = persistentDataAdapterContext.newPersistentDataContainer();
        int index = 0;
        for(D data : collection) {
            if(data == null) {
                throw new IllegalArgumentException(MUST_NOT_BE_NULL);
            }
            pdc.set(getKey(index++), persistentDataType, data);
        }
    }

well of course not done yet but the only hard part is done

[brisk ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox-Sw7l3qyY&feature=youtu.be this is the paper server. It gives you hearts but its only visual and doesnt actually give you health

[grim ice]

yeah u just did what i told u :o

which u prob had the idea of before me saying it kek

[tender shard]

what did you say?

[tender shard]

this?

[grim ice]

this

[elfin atlas]

Question when I'll try to spawn Block_Crack particle how can I set the block type?

[grim ice]

yeah

[tender shard]

yeah of course the first one is the data type and the second the data 😄

[grim ice]

yeah so what was the matter lol

[tender shard]

the problem was I used the generic type T in the persistentDataType field instead of declaring it to be PersistentDataType<?,D>

[glossy venture]

are there pdc data types that serialize into binary directly?

[tender shard]

yes

[glossy venture]

how do you make one

[tender shard]

PersistentDataType.BYTE 😛

[glossy venture]

bruh

top 10 bruh moments of 2022

[grim ice]

literally the same though?

[tender shard]

the builtin datatypes all are mapped 1:1

byte = byte, byte[] = byte[], ...

int = int

[grim ice]

T extends PersistentDataType<?,D>

you changed nothing?

[tender shard]

I changed it in the field

[grim ice]

or am i misunderstanding

[tender shard]

here "dataType" is a field of type T

[tender shard]

and here it's a field with type PersistentDataType<?,D>

[grim ice]

yeah you just used its parent

did that fix anything

[tender shard]

yes, the toPrimitive thing is working

[glossy venture]

i have another controversial coding opinion but idk if i should post it

[quaint mantle]

post it

[tender shard]

post it

[glossy venture]

nbt is better

[tender shard]

or get rekd

[glossy venture]

L

[tender shard]

NBT is like the small ugly drunk grandfather of PDC

[glossy venture]

lmfao

[tender shard]

I mean

[glossy venture]

agree, but hes buff

[tender shard]

without NBT there wouldn't be PDC

[grim ice]

abstraction is cool

[glossy venture]

i just dont like how pdc is implemented in this case

[grim ice]

pdc > nbt

[glossy venture]

and nbt serializes straight to binary

[tender shard]

it's done ❤️ https://paste.md-5.net/suyexunina.java

the question is only now

how to use it

lmao

[glossy venture]

nice

[grim ice]

the comment doesnt explain anything

Lol

C extends Collection
// C is a collection
no way

[glossy venture]

its a start

[tender shard]

lmao this will get messy

I think I'm still doing something wrong here

[glossy venture]

you know i actually got a small adrenaline rush from posting nbt is better lmfao

thought i would have to run from the entire development community

nah

more types

its kinda cool i checked it out

[hasty prawn]

kinda

[grim ice]

it is cool

abstraction

[glossy venture]

persistent data types

[glossy venture]

i mean i cant say "nbt is better" and then say yeah this is sick bro

[quaint mantle]

doesnt pdc already have a toprimitive method

[glossy venture]

but it is cool

[quaint mantle]

it does

[grim ice]

yeah it does

?

what does that change

[quaint mantle]

no

[grim ice]

nms bad

[quaint mantle]

i know packets but not minecraft packets

[grim ice]

little to no abstraction

[hasty prawn]

What are you trying to do sysdm

[tender shard]

yes sure

[hasty prawn]

Isn't there like 189237 forum threads on that lol

[tardy delta]

lets add (@ for help) behind my name too

[hasty prawn]

Ah

[grim ice]

btw sysdm ur website has a misspelling

u spelled experience as experince

[unreal quartz]

Literally unusable

[tardy delta]

:(

[grim ice]

Doubt

[glossy venture]

bruh

[tardy delta]

i dont have a fancy orange name color

[grim ice]

fourteen how many years?

[unreal quartz]

Fantastic website

[tardy delta]

uhh

[unreal quartz]

Literally all I can see 😂

[tardy delta]

lemme think

[grim ice]

fourteen doesnt suck afaik

[tardy delta]

2 years java

and then some other stuff

[glossy venture]

looks pretty cool tho

on desktop

at least

[grim ice]

thats not little

[tardy delta]

im learning fast 🤣🤣

lol theres not much there

[grim ice]

whats the most complicated thing u know if u remember @tardy delta

[tardy delta]

UUUUH

[glossy venture]

code battle

[grim ice]

how do u not understand english

[glossy venture]

who more experienced

[grim ice]

lol what

[tender shard]

I need help D:

[grim ice]

no you read it

[glossy venture]

dont go to fourteen because sysdm states he has too little experience

[tardy delta]

futures and asynchronous things were probably the most difficult things

[grim ice]

mostly everyone knows these

u dont know what comments are

[glossy venture]

yeah they do

its most common practices

[grim ice]

no talk about oop

u literally got confused over it before

[tardy delta]

lol i dont know all those abbreviations

only oop

and abstraction polymorphism and design patterns

[grim ice]

Yeah i guess

cant get cocky here among yall 💀

[tardy delta]

i always confuse the names lol but i know how to implement them

[grim ice]

yeah

but like

being cocky here

is a death wish

[unreal quartz]

Just google it

[ivory sleet]

to some extent yes

[tardy delta]

kiss is 💋

[grim ice]

?ask

[undone axle]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

[hasty prawn]

Have you tried Mob#getNavigation().createPath()

[grim ice]

I love to use this

[glossy venture]

i dont know all the acronyms but its a bit unfair to go by coding practices by an obscure name. if you stated all of them in normal terms i bet most people would know a good amount of them

[grim ice]

especially on mfn

JK

[ivory sleet]

mind sending a msg link?

probably not

[grim ice]

i know each one he mentioned :o

[tardy delta]

lol dry is just avoiding repeating code

makes sense to do that by default

[tender shard]

well on compile time, it works. but a bit hard-to-read. I'll probably turn it into a static constructor

and then see if it really works lmao

[glossy venture]

why did u use the constructor here

[ivory sleet]

2Hex explain humble objects principle

[glossy venture]

bruh

[grim ice]

o

[tender shard]

just to see whether it throws any error messages on the syntax

[glossy venture]

ah

[tender shard]

no

list will not work

check out the code:

[tardy delta]

to understand before i was able to use them

[glossy venture]

dude List is uninstantiable

[tender shard]

https://paste.md-5.net/ahatihekih.java

[grim ice]

@ivory sleet i actually dont know that

[ivory sleet]

the implementation is important sysdm

[tender shard]

I am instantiating the list with reflection

[ivory sleet]

so liskovs sub principle doesnt apply

[grim ice]

however i know the ones he mentioned

xD

[tender shard]

yeah that won't work

because my DataType expects an ArrayList

or well

when reading, it requires ArrayList

[tardy delta]

List is an interface lol

[tender shard]

when writing, a list is fine

[grim ice]

abstraction is hiding impl details, can be done in multiple ways using interfaces and abstract classes

[tender shard]

it wouldn't work with a list

[grim ice]

a short one

[tender shard]

well it would work with a list if one only needs to write to PDC, and not read

[grim ice]

explain it for me then

Though I wanna see yours

[hasty prawn]

thats basically what he said

You just reworded it lol

[ivory sleet]

Humble objects principle is a principle applied when designing design in multi threaded environments, it states that any object which encapsulates logic that does not relate to multi threading and concurrency must be isolated into its own object rather than combined and exposed to multi threading and concurrency details. This should help testing.

[grim ice]

^

Lol

[glossy venture]

exactly what he said

[ivory sleet]

Abstraction is yeah detail hiding, expose high level terms such as what but avoid how

[grim ice]

well

[glossy venture]

but do you need to know all these principles to write a program? or are they just something that you do automatically

[grim ice]

each class can be replaced with its super class

im thinking of an example

[ivory sleet]

it can enhance the design of a system orbyfied

it becomes significantly important in enterprise and team projects

[glossy venture]

good practice should come with experience, not knowing what the good practice is called and where it comes from

might help on an interview

[ivory sleet]

altho it is quite difficult to master them as they only focus on general problems and not exceptional cases that you will run into frequently

[cosmic pelican]

LOL

[ivory sleet]

nah

[cosmic pelican]

@glossy venture Have you worked for an actual company?

Or are you some kid who learned Java via Spigot?

[ivory sleet]

thats true

but thing is

[glossy venture]

no im 14

[cosmic pelican]

Then don't comment on things you know nothing about.

[glossy venture]

i started learning java like 1.5 years ago because spigot

[ivory sleet]

these "good practices" that have been discovered have over the years been turned into theorems, principles and patterns

[grim ice]

yeah

[grim ice]

would like to hear an explanation :)

[glossy venture]

im just saying, using this 'good practice' is experience, you are not experienced if you know all these fancy names

it might help on an interview

[cosmic pelican]

^

[glossy venture]

you do up experience by learning them

[cosmic pelican]

Thank you was just typing something like that out.

[glossy venture]

idk if "you do up" is english but you know what i mean

[cosmic pelican]

Good practices are not based on experience.

[ivory sleet]

For all A and B there exists an A and B such that A and B can be expressed in terms of S. Then if and only if exposed to A, then A must be substitutable to B.

[cosmic pelican]

You can make a program, and have it run. Doesn't mean it's a good program.

[grim ice]

then to make it concurrent for example you can make another implementation of it

[glossy venture]

im saying its the other way around

[grim ice]

right>

[ivory sleet]

2hex

yes

general idea is to create a delegate for the logic itself

and let it be wrapped around the concurrency accountable object

[grim ice]

forgor

[quaint mantle]

guys i have a probelm with titles api i imported titleapi with
import com.connorlinfoot.titleapi.TitleAPI;

and in the player join event i put this

        TitleAPI.sendTabTitle(event.getPlayer(), "Players Online:", "Tell your friends!");```

and if i join in the server not work

[grim ice]

well that sides in SRP

since like

an object does only what it should do well

[ivory sleet]

SRP is extremely shallow tho

[grim ice]

adding the logic of concurency

[glossy venture]

did u make sure its getting called?

[ivory sleet]

what is defined as one responsibility tho?

[grim ice]

will add another thing to do

[ivory sleet]

its not exactly clear

[glossy venture]

put a println there

[grim ice]

for example

[ivory sleet]

as its very interpretative

If you go full on srp you might as well just have one function per class

[quaint mantle]

i imported the TitleAPI.jar

[grim ice]

a class shouldnt have a method to kill a player and to say hello in chat

[hasty prawn]

Making a object and it's sole responsibility is to... run the entire program

[glossy venture]

look what im saying, you usually learn what the good practice is and how to use it by practicing, doing up experience. knowing what these principles are about and how they are called doesnt make you a good or more experienced programmer

[quaint mantle]

help??

[ivory sleet]

it does make you more experienced tho

[glossy venture]

yeah sorry

[cosmic pelican]

It does make you a better, and more experienced programmer. Just because you can make shit work doesn't mean it's good shit.

You are way out of your field here. You have no idea who you're talking to

[grim ice]

wa

[ivory sleet]

because when you can formalize practice into theory you become a far more powerful programmer

[glossy venture]

i dont think ur getting my point

[quaint mantle]

ok

[hasty prawn]

You have a massive ego.

[cosmic pelican]

Your point is retarded, and invalid.

[glossy venture]

help

[ivory sleet]

Put simply

[cosmic pelican]

Because I earned it.

I have 8 years of experience with Java. I work with Lunar Client developers, and have been offered positions by numerous large networks such as PvPWars.

[ivory sleet]

For instance you often see List<O> list = new LinkedList<>();

[grim ice]

Yeah i get that

[ivory sleet]

now that would be changeable to ArrayList right?

[hasty prawn]

Just because you've become an accomplished developer over the course of 8 years doesn't mean you should belittle the ones that are still learning.

[grim ice]

yeah

[ivory sleet]

since ArrayList and LinkedList offers the same functionality

[grim ice]

thats polymorphism right

thats what we're talkin about?

[ivory sleet]

then we can simply expose the variable in terms of List instead of ArrayList or LinkedList

well

[grim ice]

or r we talking about liskov principle

[ivory sleet]

liskov substitution principle does imply polymorphistic existence

[cosmic pelican]

Clearly he's not learning as he believes he knows everything.

[grim ice]

i know that and its greek origin

[grim ice]

yeah

[ivory sleet]

anyhow

2Hex

[hasty prawn]

No, I get that more from you than him. And trust me, you don't know everything.

[ivory sleet]

For instance

[grim ice]

yes

[cosmic pelican]

Never said I know everything.

[hasty prawn]

Neither did he :)

[cosmic pelican]

But he's acting like it. I suggest you stick to things that concern you. This is none of your business, random.

[hasty prawn]

Lmfao

[ivory sleet]

its fine to sometimes do
ImmutableList l = ImmutableList.of()
or
IdentityHashMap m = new IdentityHashMap<>();

altho this is usually very questionable
EnumMap<X> m = EnumMap.of(X.class);

^do u know why 2hex?

[undone axle]

Here are some links to get you started on learning Java:

• https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
• https://www.sololearn.com/learning/1068
• https://www.learnjavaonline.org/
• https://programmingbydoing.com/
• https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html

The last one is the only official one, however some of those concepts assume that you already know a bit about programming.

[glossy venture]

was to copy

into a thread

move on

[cosmic pelican]

LOL

That was funny

[ivory sleet]

Guys lets not be rude now

[grim ice]

because uh

[cosmic pelican]

Nah he's cool

That made me laugh

[ivory sleet]

alr, dont want this chat to turn into a principle and validation of experience source war

[glossy venture]

nah im stating my opinion

[cosmic pelican]

LMAOOOO

[grim ice]

idk

LOL

[cosmic pelican]

It's a matter of fact, not opinion.

[ivory sleet]

its fine to argue but avoid heating it up 😄

[ivory sleet]

so well

IdentityHashMap breaks the contract of Map and ImmutableList breaks the contract of List

however EnumMap does not break the contract of Map

2hex

[grim ice]

ISTG I KNEW THAT

[ivory sleet]

ye

[glossy venture]

this is a debate and im trying to convince you of my opinion

[grim ice]

I WAS GONNA SAY IT BUT I DELETED IT LMFAO

[ivory sleet]

🥲

ye

[cosmic pelican]

I'll repeat myself for you.

It's a matter of fact, not opinion.

[grim ice]

but then i thought EnumMap accepts 1 param and Map accepts 2 so i deleted it

[cosmic pelican]

Thank you

[ivory sleet]

ah

well thats it basically

[cosmic pelican]

@glossy venture Admitting you're wrong is a part of learning.

[glossy venture]

what facts

[ivory sleet]

altho people still do Map m = new IdentityHashMap(), mostly due to convenience

[glossy venture]

i know and sure ill stop

[ivory sleet]

and has nothing to do with liskovs sub principle

[glossy venture]

but i stand by my point

[grim ice]

oh ic

[cosmic pelican]

That learning design patterns, principles, and practices that are proven to work make you a better developer than others.

[ivory sleet]

so yeah 2hex

its more of a mathematical principle

[cosmic pelican]

Check this out: https://github.com/iluwatar/java-design-patterns

[glossy venture]

yeah but knowing the names doesnt, you need to be able to use them

[grim ice]

so using e.g Inter Impl is better than Impl Impl

[tardy delta]

IdentityHashMap map = new IdentityHashMap() too long

[ivory sleet]

uh

var map

if u hate verbosity that much

[tardy delta]

java8+ lol

[cosmic pelican]

What? Yes of course, we never said anything about knowing the names. To use them you need to know the names though, you wouldn't know of the pattern otherwise.

[ivory sleet]

everything under java 17 is deplorable, sorry for your loss

[grim ice]

because it abstracts away the impl details, achieves polymorphism, then encourages LSP

[tardy delta]

xd

[ivory sleet]

ye

well object oriented programming sucks to some extent also 2hex

[grim ice]

I'm in love with it

[ivory sleet]

if you wanna continue :>

nah

[grim ice]

i always struggle when trying to learn any language that isnt oop

[glossy venture]

sysdm just sent a bunch of acronyms and then i stated "you dont need to know what those acronyms mean to be able to use those principles, you might not have even known you were using them because its such common practice"

[ivory sleet]

it almost always sucks, but it provides a decent solution, tho never the correct one, just not the wrong one

[glossy venture]

but if i understood wrong, then thats on me

[cosmic pelican]

It's not common practice.

[sharp bough]

what should i use for normal messages in the console? sout or getLogger().info(ChatColor.<color> + "message goes here"); ?

[cosmic pelican]

99% of developers in this community are retards

[tardy delta]

i prefer logger

[ivory sleet]

yeah

[glossy venture]

learning

[grim ice]

ig

[ivory sleet]

because functional is gonna twist your mind

[grim ice]

also @cosmic pelican you definitely wasted time on these 8 years, because those 8 years will never increase, theyre always an eight, due to your ego lol

[ivory sleet]

and procedural is just oo but less powerful

[grim ice]

yeah

[quaint mantle]

@glossy venture the chat it's bugget can you open a new ?

[tardy delta]

they both dont support color codes too, Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendMessage(ChatColor.RED + "message") does however

[grim ice]

and oop makes sense

[cosmic pelican]

They increase everyday, this is you just being retarded.

[glossy venture]

?

[cosmic pelican]

I don't let my ego get in the way of facts.

[ivory sleet]

let me tell you the issue of object orientation then 2hex

[cosmic pelican]

^^^

[glossy venture]

i learnt it by making other stuff first

before moving on and then back to spigot

[quaint mantle]

open a new threat

[grim ice]

barely increasing

[mellow edge]

oh xd

[cosmic pelican]

Yes because I already know a lot. It's not exactly easy to learn more once you get to a certain point.

[glossy venture]

cant you click on the help thing under the channel?

[cosmic pelican]

You just started a useless argument because you're butthurt.

[quaint mantle]

yes can i click on but when i press enter discord get's error

[glossy venture]

oh sure ill open a new one

[quaint mantle]

okay

[grim ice]

You know a lot?

[glossy venture]

i agree but they can learn

[cosmic pelican]

Why wouldn't I?

[grim ice]

you know fucking shit if youve been learning for 8 years and you still act like this

[cosmic pelican]

I haven't been learning for 8 years.

I said I've been programming in Java for 8 years.

[grim ice]

yeah?

[cosmic pelican]

How I act doesn't take away from my knowledge.

That's a dumb argument.

[glossy venture]

what?

you mean not using spigot

[grim ice]

and i bet someone like

[glossy venture]

i dont get what ur saying sorry

[tardy delta]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[cosmic pelican]

My guy, all you have to back up your statements is my attitude. Get over it, and cry.

[grim ice]

Redempt who has a similar amount of years of experience as you

knows way better than you do lo

[cosmic pelican]

Idk who redempt is

Sounds like a random

[glossy venture]

i know

[hasty prawn]

Considering most people talk in here consistently, and you're the new guy, pretty sure you're the random bud

[glossy venture]

he said "an API"

[cosmic pelican]

Ha funny

[glossy venture]

yeah

oh yeah i agree

[cosmic pelican]

Spigot's community maybe, not MC in general.

[hasty prawn]

Well that's where we are, isn't it? 😛

[cosmic pelican]

In a combination.

[ivory sleet]

I remember when someone used to call Spigot a "Minecraft Performance Software Engine"

[glossy venture]

thats why the ?learnjava command exists, sadly like noone ever listens, but thats because they want to get straight into development

[hasty prawn]

True

[cosmic pelican]

I see people here that work for large servers.

@quaint mantle works for AkumaMC

[glossy venture]

without doing the "boring" stuff

[cosmic pelican]

@faint sage works for Lunar Client

@weary geyser works for MineWars

And the list goes on but I don't want to bother a bunch of people

[tender shard]

okay I got a question. What would you prefer?

DataType.asList(DataType.ITEM_STACK)
or
DataType.list(DataType.ITEM_STACK)
??

[cosmic pelican]

At some point but sold it for a large sum.

[glossy venture]

what does it do

[cosmic pelican]

Still has the entire VanityMC & Mythonia management backing it.

[tender shard]

it erturns a PErsistentDataType<PersistentDataContainer,List<D>>

[cosmic pelican]

Literally 🤣

He gets the server 1k+ alone.

He changed it to the cat!

Well

It's changed a couple times

but the Lil Peep one is the OG, yes.

Yeah haha

sysdm and I are still in the Management GC for MW loool

[faint sage]

🦛

[cosmic pelican]

🦛

HAHAHAHA

SPACEMC

Dude I remember that

That was so long ago

Old name?

[faint sage]

what was the drama i missed

[cosmic pelican]

Meh I don't remember it anyway

[glossy venture]

big stupid argument

[cosmic pelican]

I forgot already

[glossy venture]

was kind of fun

[tardy delta]

lol

[cosmic pelican]

lmaoo

Gizmo?

Oh god

Of course lol

Callum isn't a random

he's a very "spooky hacker man"

He used to think he was spooky

LOL

Pls dont ddoz me

I am scared of ddoz

😮

😭

[quaint mantle]

ah not anymore

[cosmic pelican]

What happened?

Feel free to lmk in dms

[quaint mantle]

not gonna talk about it tbh

priv stuff

[cosmic pelican]

fair

[glossy venture]

im stupid

ah yes

[rough drift]

would updating an item stack from PlayerInteractEvent updat e it in the inv?

[ivory sleet]

ye

I think so

[glossy venture]

yeah its passed by reference right

[ivory sleet]

well Java's always pass by value

[glossy venture]

for objects it passes object references

[rough drift]

stuff in classes update tho

[glossy venture]

which are 64 bit values i think

[ivory sleet]

well in the eyes of Java

[cosmic pelican]

Yeah

[ivory sleet]

they even mention in their specs that the language only provides pass by value

ofc objects are just references under the hood

[cosmic pelican]

LMAO

NO WAY

[glossy venture]

yeah

[rough drift]

if i do

MyStuff stuff = //

stuff(myStuff);

// if i edit myStuff.something it will also be edited after the method call

[cosmic pelican]

Yikes

[rough drift]

what happened

[glossy venture]

yeah

[rough drift]

LMFAO

why'd they get demoted

[glossy venture]

what happened

[tender shard]

OMG YOU CAN'T BELIEV HOW HAPPY I AM

[hexed hatch]

what a smart boy

[hasty prawn]

[ivory sleet]

wonderfully amazing

[tender shard]

now I can just do

pdc.get(someKey,DataType.asList(DataType.ITEM_STACK))

[ivory sleet]

thats useful

[tender shard]

yeah but now...

I gotta add maps

[ivory sleet]

isnt that alr added

or well

[tender shard]

builtin is almost nothing

[ivory sleet]

PersistentDataContainer.PDC_TYPE

or sth

ah

right

[tender shard]

yeah, PersistentDataType.TAG_CONTAINER

but that only maps NamespacedKeys to data

I want to make it work with HashMap<Object,Object>

[ivory sleet]

oo

[hasty prawn]

:o

[tender shard]

my Lists and Sets already work with every possible custom data type

[hexed hatch]

how

[tender shard]

one sec

[hexed hatch]

he's a witch, burn him

[hasty prawn]

he's too smart

[safe edge]

I need to add dependecy for this version if I want this to start working ?

[chrome beacon]

Yes

[tender shard]

https://github.com/JEFF-Media-GbR/MorePersistentDataTypes
check out the last fields in DataTypes.java and the whole DataCollection.java

[grim ice]

btw

[hasty prawn]

oml

[tender shard]

yeah the description isn't lying

[grim ice]

why not just use jitpackio

[tender shard]

"adds a ton of new persistent data types"

[tender shard]

why?

jitpack is the slowest, worst repo ever

yes

[grim ice]

o what to do then

[tender shard]

I have a nexus running anyway for my internal stuff and all remapped spigot stuff etc

so why not just use it for my public stuff as well

[grim ice]

what if u dont

[ivory sleet]

central :3

[grim ice]

maven central?

[ivory sleet]

ye

[grim ice]

isnt it complicated to get it in there

lmao

[tender shard]

if I ever find out on how to upload sth to central, I'd use that

[ivory sleet]

ye

or well

sorta

I am using nexus also

but central is nice

[tender shard]

but I like selfhosting anyway, this way I can also see how many people roughly use my stuff

oh and another downside of central:

[grim ice]

de toute facon, j'ai besoin d'une idee d'un library

[tender shard]

you cannot redeploy and I tend to upload stuff with forgotten debug messages

[grim ice]

ok french is prob not allowed

[tender shard]

oh

then my stuff wouldn't work there anyway

[grim ice]

i need an idea for a library

[tender shard]

me too

[grim ice]

milked

[tender shard]

a worse commandhandler

[grim ice]

i need a new idea

like the one i made

ive never seen one like it without nms

[tender shard]

I always just come up with library ideas when I discover I already made the same thing twice

e.g. parsing custom recipes

[grim ice]

oh

[tender shard]

I already made that half a year ago though

[grim ice]

how to get a recipe materials

[tender shard]

wdym?

[muted sand]

is there an event that fires when a FallingBlock turns into a regular block-?

[grim ice]

for example

[eternal night]

EntityChangeBlockEvent

[muted sand]

its seeming to call as it falls through the air

[eternal night]

o.O ?

[muted sand]

or i am just plain stupid

[grim ice]

Recipe.getMaterials() returns {DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND, DIAMOND}

for a diamond block

[tender shard]

that might also be some other entities who are currently changing blocks 😄

[grim ice]

that alr exists

u just checked my github

lol

[muted sand]

yea probably

[muted sand]

thanks !.

[tender shard]

that's on my todo list already :3

[grim ice]

kekw

idea robber! POLICE HELP

jk

[tender shard]

is reflection allowed though?

[grim ice]

no

[tender shard]

why not

then it'll just get messy

[grim ice]

Nope

check my github

[tender shard]

reflection good for many things

[grim ice]

I did it without nms

or reflection

[tender shard]

but does it serialize to readable text?

[grim ice]

No

well yeah

it does

to text you choose

[tender shard]

can you show an example of a serialized entity?

[grim ice]

fr example

serializin

an entity to

"dumbIdiot"

then u can convert dumbIdiot to the entity back

[tender shard]

so it's not really serialized to text

[grim ice]

its kind of a kv pair

but i used "Serializer" since it would be easier to understand like that

[tender shard]

we need sth like "serialize(pig)" which turns it into a json that you can copy over to another server, and then deserialize it

[grim ice]

Lol

good luck wasting time on that

that would be cool though

[tender shard]

well one could probably easily get all field values with reflection

at least everything serializable

[grim ice]

yae

but messy

[tender shard]

UUID, name, health, attributes, ...

[ivory sleet]

gson could probably deal with that rather sophisticatedly

[grim ice]

btw mfn

[tender shard]

hm are you sure?

[ivory sleet]

nope

[grim ice]

do u know how i serialized chunks and entities

without nms

or reflect

[ivory sleet]

gson has failed me many times

[tender shard]

I guess with structures

[grim ice]

yes

kekw

[tender shard]

yay

yeah that's why I asked whether you could turn them into actual text

or byte[] or whatever

[grim ice]

did u see someone else saying it or did u actually guess

u can

[tender shard]

I guessed that because this way it's saved internally

[grim ice]

theyre stored in world file but u can change that

to another file

[tender shard]

you should add a toJson method

[hexed hatch]

alex do you want your next big challenge

[tender shard]

even if the json just consists of a byte array

[tender shard]

always

[lean gull]

how do i use a custom font in item lore?

[hexed hatch]

data driven potion recipes

[tender shard]

but I still have to add maps to my lib

[hexed hatch]

and make the brewing stands work with custom materials somehow with packet fuckery

[grim ice]

i dont even know how the structures look inside a world file

ill try that LMFAO

[tender shard]

oh no NMS for my libs

[grim ice]

nms is cringe

[hexed hatch]

what are you a liberal

[tender shard]

I only use a tiny amount of NMS in JeffLib

[grim ice]

still

usage of nms

cringe

[tender shard]

e.g. sending packets or changing materials maxStackSize

[grim ice]

u were prob forced but

cringe

[tender shard]

sometimes it's required

[grim ice]

ik

the fact that its required is cringe

[tender shard]

e.g. my StackResize plugin just needs NMS, there is simply no other way

[grim ice]

what does it do

[hexed hatch]

considering forking spigot and adding data driven potion recipes

I want it to be formatted with json files like Mojang does it for the recipes and shit

[lean gull]

bump

[hexed hatch]

Nope. That lore is something you have to set yourself

[ivory sleet]

and possibly gpu accelerating slimes x)

[hexed hatch]

sir I am not a smart man

gpu accelerate my ass

[grim ice]

btw

how to get the materials

[ivory sleet]

[grim ice]

of a recipe

[tender shard]

allows to change stack sizes

[grim ice]

holy shit

I like that a lot

[tender shard]

yeah I'll upload it in a few days

[grim ice]

amazing

[tender shard]

some things are still buggy

[hexed hatch]

Does it work with hoppers?

and in containers?

[tender shard]

yes, but let me double check

[grim ice]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/inventory/ShapedRecipe.html#getIngredientMap() discovered this

[hexed hatch]

If so, I want that on my private survival server immediately

[grim ice]

i can loop the entryset

[lean gull]

how do i put a text component in item lore

[hexed hatch]

I have some auto potion machines and the storage of those motherfuckers is atrocious

[hexed hatch]

You don't

You put a string in item lore with spigot

[grim ice]

lets hope the getIngMap replaces null with air

it prbo deosnt

[lean gull]

mfnalex told me u can

[hexed hatch]

mfnalex is wrong

[lean gull]

how do i use font in item lore then

[tender shard]

what did I say?

[hexed hatch]

hngngngngngggggggggg

You die.

Simple as that

[tender shard]

I guess 99% of people here actually use paper lol

[hexed hatch]

Instantaneous death

[tender shard]

I mean, everyone uses paper to test, spigot takes way too long to start the server lol

[hexed hatch]

The inquisitors will weed them out

The Paper Inquisition is nigh

[tender shard]

yeah and paper is like 2 seconds for all worlds lol

only times when I actually use spigot is when I am debugging since 3 hours and can't find a reason why it behaves so weird

[grim ice]

i find them the same

[lean gull]

anyone? please?

[tender shard]

then I have to make sure it's not a paper bug

[tender shard]

wtf

[grim ice]

wait yall dont go pee when ur server is starting

??

wow

dehydrated fucks

more.

no.

i still have plenty

of liquid

[hexed hatch]

Try using .toLegacyText() after you build your component and put that in the lore

Not sure if it'll work but it's worth a shot

[lean gull]

i did

[dire marsh]

Spigot be like:
Preparing spawn area: 0%

[lean gull]

it still counts as a text component

[grim ice]

that takes 1 min max

[dire marsh]

2Hex most patient person here

[grim ice]

guess you wouldnt live a few seconds with my biological family

[hexed hatch]

Sadly Spigot lags behind on proper component implementation for items

You could look into the Paper api, I feel like it'd have something for that

[tender shard]

fuck the system

[grim ice]

LOL

String

[hexed hatch]

Of course it does

I wish spigot would just eat the good parts of the paper api

[dire marsh]

adventure is great for tooltips and stuff

absolute hell if you want a simple string with lots of colours

[tender shard]

fuck the system a bit more

[lean gull]

papermc Component doesn't have font

[dire marsh]

what?

[hexed hatch]

time to learn nbt fuckery then

[lean gull]

no pls i beg

[hexed hatch]

There is no escape

[tender shard]

I have to admit, until a few months ago I always thought a Map is also a Collection

[hexed hatch]

I'm genuinely annoyed that spigot lacks a proper api for making items and entities nbt files

[tender shard]

if you are annoyed, PR it 😄

[hexed hatch]

no that takes effort alex

I don't do that

[tender shard]

oh

relatable

[lean gull]

who what where when

[tender shard]

yo help

are there any commonly used maps or collections

[grim ice]

mfn

[tender shard]

that don't have a no-args constructor?

[grim ice]

are arrays collections

[tender shard]

no

lol

[grim ice]

makes sense

[tender shard]

Arrays implement Iterable<T> though

[grim ice]

well then

[tender shard]

collections must have an add(E) method

which arrays don't have

[grim ice]

a map is a (sort of collection) of nodes :troll:

[tender shard]

also remove(Object)

[grim ice]

yeah

but yk

u collect in it :)

[tender shard]

collections are flawed though

they have an add method but there are MANY collections that don't allow adding items

so why is add part of the interface

it makes no real sense

[grim ice]

I in SOLID

:o

[tender shard]

what is I in SOLID?

I have never studied any computer stuff

[hexed hatch]

indigo

[tender shard]

do you people do

void asd(final @NotNull C asd)

or

void asd(@NotNull final C asd)

?

[hexed hatch]

The latter, like a normal, sane, functional human

[tender shard]

I never remember the "proper" way lol

but yeah I guess the second one makes sense since fields mostly also look like this

@NotNull
private final C asd;

[grim ice]

second

[grim ice]

ISP

[lavish hemlock]

Interface Segregation Principle

[tender shard]

another "style" question

[tardy delta]

i like Lists.newArrayList(T... elem)

[tender shard]

would you move the red part into the try catch block?

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah, I would

[tender shard]

I thought so too when I looked at this

[tardy delta]

a bit cleaner

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah it's less jarring.

[tender shard]

I think I'll have this piece of shit done in an hour

then I'll celebrate by staying awake till 7 am doing nothing

Maow was that you who had a lib for collections in PDC?

or was that redempt?

[lavish hemlock]

Nah I haven't made any libs

I've been planning on working on a GUI lib though

[tender shard]

hm then it must have been redempt or someone else

that would be nice

there are many but I never liked any of those

why can't interfaces have private fields >.<

[shadow owl]

Anyone know if there is a replacement for LocalDateTime for Spigot? Since timing in Spigot aren't necessarily aligned with real-world times?

eg: server isn't always running at 20 tps

[lavish hemlock]

Just convert LocalDateTime to ticks

I've done it before, it works just fine

[tender shard]

LocalDateTime represents a real time, what are you trying to do?

[lavish hemlock]

LocalDateTime represents a real date and time

[shadow owl]

I want the time between some time captured in the past and time captured now, but yea, I guess I can use the tick values

[lavish hemlock]

You can return the amount of seconds between "now" and another instance of LocalDateTime

and then secs * 20 to get the ticks

[tender shard]

why do you need any ticks for that?

[lavish hemlock]

I've not seen any evidence that suggests the TPS matters in that conversion

[tardy delta]

or just compare a long with system.currentimemillis?

[lavish hemlock]

Scheduling, probs

[tender shard]

doesn't java have timers builtin that run at a specified actual time?

[tardy delta]

ye

[shadow owl]

Yes. But basically, I'm checking for the time since a scheduled task was scheduled

[tardy delta]

forgot the name

[shadow owl]

So 1). schedule task and store tick count, and then 2). compare current tick count to stored tick count

[torn oyster]

how would i get the name of an inventory

[shadow owl]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/inventory/InventoryView.html#getTitle()

[tender shard]

I wonder why there's no Inventory#getTitle

[neon nymph]

Ello guys, could someone explain how "ascent" and "height" works in texture packs? Specifically...

"type":"bitmap","file":"path","ascent":2,"height":42,"chars":["ꌖ"]}
``` These

[tender shard]

wtf are those weird symbols on the right? I've never seen that before

nothing

my brackets are rainbow colored 😄

they are different depending on the nesting

ah I think it's the code folding

weird, I've never seen that before

not much, only installed a plugin for fancy bracket colors

but that was months ago

and I only saw this now lol

[minor fox]

Pretty sure that’s git

It’s matching with my git edits atleast

[tender shard]

ooh indeed

yeah you're right

thanks:D

mystery solved

[quaint mantle]

hi alex ❤️

[tender shard]

https://tenor.com/view/wasa-whats-up-on-the-phone-talking-chi-chat-gif-5466373

wow all those generics hurt my brain

[lavish hemlock]

they tend to do that

[quaint mantle]

generics are cool

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yeah

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of course they are

[lavish hemlock]

type parameters are necessary if you ask me

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but they are also very disturbing

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i n d e e d

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I am so happy when I'm done with this lib

[quaint mantle]

pog

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collections, arrays and maps for all datatypes

e.g.

PersistentDataType type = DataType.asHashMap(DataType.UUID,DataType.asList(DataType.ITEM_STACK));

that would return a PDC datatype with which you can store and load a HashMap<UUID,List<ItemStack>>

[lavish hemlock]

woah

a CommandHandöer?

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Oh sweet

Reminds me of like, type tokens... in a weird way

[tender shard]

no idea what that is, tbh 😄

[quaint mantle]

gson typetokens

[lavish hemlock]

com.google.common.reflect.TypeToken :p

[quaint mantle]

serialization

[tender shard]

never used that

[lavish hemlock]

It's a reflective utility for capturing a parameterized type

[quaint mantle]

aw

[lavish hemlock]

typically used in libs like Gson for type parameter information within serialization/deserialization

[tender shard]

oh ok, i'm a total gson noob

I can use json web apis and that's about it

[lavish hemlock]

iirc...

final Type type = new TypeToken<List<String>>(){}.getType();

[quaint mantle]

yea I think it's that

[lavish hemlock]

Pretty sure Guava's TypeToken is a little cleaner but yeah

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is there any map impl that allows null as key?

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah

Maybe

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which one?

I mean any common one

[lavish hemlock]

I thought HashMap allowed so?

[tender shard]

fr?

oh okay. well I'll just disallow this for now

[lavish hemlock]

Oh yeah btw

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since PDC doesn't support null

[lavish hemlock]

Have you considered checking out Lamp?

Just sayin', it's a pretty good command lib

no need to reinvent the wheel a 20th time

Fair 'nough ig

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is it true that the following are actually valid for a NamespacedKey?

.:some-key
-:some-key
_:some-key

the docs say

Namespaces may only contain lowercase alphanumeric characters, periods, underscores, and hyphens.

so I guess that's fine?

awesome

first

wait

depends I guess

SubPermission sounds like "node" is also needed as permission

add both

SubPermission requires the base permission too

Just Permission on a subcommand does not require the base permission

ACF simply uses CommandPermission

so in ACF you have a CommandPermission on the class itself, and a CommandPermission on the SubCommand

no idea whether both are required for subcommand

so if you make it two annotations, SubPermission and Permission, it's clear what it does

:wassup:

I've pinged @ Nullable and @ NotNull on github sooo many times lol

without it, noone's gonna use it

i guess

I really wish java would enforce a proper naming scheme