help-development

[tender shard]

you can also try to print out fc.saveToString()

[wary oyster]

java 8 and 17

[tender shard]

yeah and you use java 17 to run buildtools. you must use java 8

[trail remnant]

Cannot resolve symbol 'YamlConfiguratino'

[tender shard]

typo

[trail remnant]

ah

[wary oyster]

and i need 17 installed because i have a 1.18 server

[trail remnant]

nope same error

[wary oyster]

should i just restart again and see what happens

[tender shard]

you must run java 8 instead of java 17 to compile

is your world actually loaded before your plugin gets enabled?

because I'm getting this error

[trail remnant]

who

[tender shard]

you

[trail remnant]

yes its loaded

[wary oyster]

how do i run a specific version im very new

[tender shard]

are you 100% sure? pls add "System.out.println(Bukkit.getWorld("pvp"));" and see if it prints CraftWorld{asdasd} or "null"

[trail remnant]

ok

[tender shard]

by giving the pull fath, e.g. "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk-17.0.1\bin\java.exe" -jar BuildTools.jar --rev 1.8.8

well obviously use jdk 8 or 1.8

well obviously use jdk 8 or 1.8

[wary oyster]

wait but it says i need to run java 8 not 17

ye ok

[wary oyster]

there are two java 8 folders with different contents

what do i do about that

[tender shard]

how are they called

[wary oyster]

exactly the same

waitr no

[tender shard]

that's not possible 😄

[wary oyster]

jdk and jre

[trail remnant]

yep it shows the craftworld

[tender shard]

use jdk

[wary oyster]

ok

[tender shard]

@trail remnant I'm pretty sure your config.yml is somehow messed up

for example, when I run it through yamllint, it comes up with this weird result:

[trail remnant]

what is weird about it

[tender shard]

that you have key called ? with a value of "y"

[trail remnant]

idk why thats showing up i just reloaded the plugin and the new file doesnt show that

this doesnt make sense lmao wouldnt this be a spigot bug? the config section 100% existist but its saying its null

[wary oyster]

Eyy it’s working

Ty for help

[tender shard]

np

it works 100% fine for me when the file is actually saved to file and then loaded

[02:08:10 INFO]: [Test] [STDOUT] test->true

[trail remnant]

the code i sent works for you?

[tender shard]

I did it a bit different but kinda the same

[trail remnant]

can you send it

[tender shard]

    @Override
    public void onEnable() {
        saveResource("custom-config.yml",true);
        YamlConfiguration yaml = YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(new File(getDataFolder(),"custom-config.yml"));
        yaml.getKeys(true).forEach(System.out::println);
        System.out.println(yaml.getLocation("test.start"));

    }

custom-config.yml:

test:
  start: &id001
    ==: org.bukkit.Location
    world: world
    x: -0.14127050089454213
    y: 65.43811814559274
    z: -22.821418794485666
    pitch: 28.3499
    yaw: 26.878477
  Name: test

[wary oyster]

Oh my gosh the amount of stuff that is still going in console is mind blowing

[tender shard]

console output:

[02:11:34 INFO]: [Test] Enabling Test v0.9.9
[02:11:34 INFO]: [STDOUT] [java.lang.Iterable] test
[02:11:34 INFO]: [STDOUT] [java.lang.Iterable] test.start
[02:11:34 INFO]: [STDOUT] [java.lang.Iterable] test.Name
[02:11:34 INFO]: Location{world=CraftWorld{name=world},x=-0.14127050089454213,y=.....

so I still think that you just didn't properly save your file

which is weird because you said that the try/catch prints it out

[trail remnant]

omg im dumb as hell i realised the problem i was storing a world in the same section

[tender shard]

bruh why didn't you send the config you were using lol

I didn't ask for the config for fun 😄

I thought what you sent was the file you were actually using

[wary oyster]

ok so i did all this because intellij wont let me select 1.8 in the plugin and its still not working do you know why

[trail remnant]

it was

the command that i used after the config to test the plugin did it

[tender shard]

ugh 😄

[wary oyster]

i built it so that i could select 1.8 as a version in the intellij marketplace plugin in the pom.xml file but its still not seen as a valid version what do i do

[tender shard]

show your pom.xml

[wary oyster]

i cant send images

[eternal night]

?oaste

[tender shard]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[eternal night]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[eternal night]

urgh xD

[wary oyster]

what

[tender shard]

that should do it 😄

[eternal night]

copy and paste the file contents

into the linked website

and then send us the link

[wary oyster]

ok

https://paste.md-5.net/mozovavoci.xml

[tender shard]

you added "1.8"

[eternal night]

that is definitely not the right version

[tender shard]

did you really compile 1.8?

[wary oyster]

1.8 is not seen only 1.12 and up

[tender shard]

or did you compile 1.8.8 etc?

what exact version did you compile with buildtools?

[eternal night]

what are they trying

[tender shard]

no idea, i guess they want to use 1.8.X api

[eternal night]

1.8.8-R0.1-SNAPSHOT is the version string you want

[wary oyster]

i was watching a tutorial and when they typed 1.8 it showed a thing that came up to autofill for 1.8

[eternal night]

not 1.8

[wary oyster]

yes that

[eternal night]

well then just throw that in ?

[tender shard]

oh yeah i didnt even see they forgot -R0.1-SNAPSHOT

[wary oyster]

but it doesnt recognize that

[eternal night]

or type it off the tutorial

[tender shard]

it does, just click the maven reload button

[eternal night]

I mean

[tender shard]

and it'll download it

[eternal night]

just because intellij doesn't auto suggest something does not mean it isn't valid

[wary oyster]

I FEEL SO DUMB

AAAAAA

ty for help though

in the tutorial it said to click reload if it doesnt come up and i didnt think that meant u already had to have that tped in for it to work

[tender shard]

yeah thats how it works lol

intellij only autocompletes what you already have downloaded

and you can download it by just specifying the version you want, then click on reload

public class PutinPlugin extends JavaPlugin {

    static Putin putin = new Putin();
    
    public static Putin getPutin() {
        return putin;
    }

    public static class Putin {
        private Putin() {}
    }
}

help why is not working

[wet breach]

being sarcastic here?

[unreal quartz]

Have you tried turning it off and back on again

[hardy swan]

"why is this working?"

[lost matrix]

Have you tried to extending the classes the tenure?

[hardy swan]

❓

[quaint mantle]

i think you need to yes through the maybes? if so.

[hardy swan]

just google "How to make Putin work"

[candid plover]

Always when I pull information from a hashmap from another plugin of mine, does it return null? Can someone help me?

[hardy swan]

are you sure the key is mapped to anything in the map?

[candid plover]

I think I do not understand

[tender shard]

a hashmap is like a phonebook.
"mfnalex" -> 12345
"jesus" -> 6789
where mfnalex is the key and 12345 is it's value

so map.get("mfnalex") == 12345

[candid plover]

Yes, when I pull information from the main plugin it returns normally.

but, i pull from other plugin, return null

[tender shard]

then it's not the same hashmap you access

show the code in your other plugin

[candid plover]

            sender.sendMessage("§c" + data.getLevel());```

[tender shard]

what's the code for getPlugin(), getManager() and getCache()?

[candid plover]

    public ConsoleCommandSender console = Bukkit.getConsoleSender();

    public LBPlayer getCache(UUID uuid) {
        return cache.get(uuid);
    }

    public void addCache(UUID uuid, LBPlayer player) {
        cache.put(uuid, player);
    }

    public void removeCache(UUID uuid) {
        cache.remove(uuid);
    }

    public boolean hasCache(UUID uuid) {
        return cache.containsKey(uuid);
    }

    public int cacheSize() {
        return cache.size();
    }

    public HashMap<UUID, LBPlayer> getCache() {
        return cache;
    }```

Class Manager

[eternal night]

Are you shading the other plugins classes by any chance ?

[candid plover]

    public static MainEngines getPlugin() {
        return instance;
    }```

getPlugin in mainclass

private static LBManager Manager;

        return Manager;
    }```

[tender shard]

yeah you probably shaded your first plugin into the second one

[eternal night]

tho I guess insstance would be null then

if the class got duped

[tender shard]

hm yes

[candid plover]

how to solve this?

[eternal night]

Ye

[candid plover]

lol

[eternal night]

oh

[tender shard]

what's the error you're getting actually?

[eternal night]

are you shading your plugin ?

[tender shard]

a nullpointerexception somewhere?

show the full error message pls

[eternal night]

oh god 👀

right

[tender shard]

maybe it's indeed instance that's null

[eternal night]

"always null" might just be a NPE on the initial instance

people that don't have java 15 NPEs have my condolences

[candid plover]

at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.IAsyncTaskHandler.executeTask(SourceFile:144) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.IAsyncTaskHandlerReentrant.executeTask(SourceFile:23) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.IAsyncTaskHandler.executeNext(SourceFile:118) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.bb(MinecraftServer.java:1061) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.executeNext(MinecraftServer.java:1054) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.IAsyncTaskHandler.awaitTasks(SourceFile:127) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.sleepForTick(MinecraftServer.java:1038) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.w(MinecraftServer.java:970) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.MinecraftServer.lambda$0(MinecraftServer.java:273) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748) [?:1.8.0_292]
Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
at lb.levels.commands.tab.CommandTest.onCommand(CommandTest.java:23) ~[?:?]
at org.bukkit.command.PluginCommand.execute(PluginCommand.java:45) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
... 19 moreat net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PacketPlayInChat.a(PacketPlayInChat.java:49) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PacketPlayInChat.a(PacketPlayInChat.java:1) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PlayerConnectionUtils.lambda$0(PlayerConnectionUtils.java:28) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]

at net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.TickTask.run(SourceFile:18) ~[server.jar:3096a-Spigot-9fb885e-af1a232]

[tender shard]

what's CommandTest line 23?

[candid plover]

LBPlayer data = MainEngines.getPlugin().getManager().getCache(player.getUniqueId());

[eternal night]

😦

[tender shard]

okay put this into separate lines, like this:

[candid plover]

.

[eternal night]

I seem to have been correct

[tender shard]

MainEngines plugin = MainEngines.getPlugin();
Manager manager = plugin.getManager();
Cache cache = manager.getCache(player.getUniqueId());

or however your classes are actually called

then show the new error again and we know what's null

[eternal night]

(or use java 17 when running your server)

[tender shard]

is it enough to run it using java 17 or must it also be compiled for java 17?

[eternal night]

afaik you are fine running it with java 17

or 15 for that matter

not like the bytecode actually contains NPE checks for this

[tender shard]

yeah then that work too. although most people need an hour of explanation to change their java version 😄

[eternal night]

and I guess spigot does not have the paper feature to skip java version validation

so 1.16 might explode

[candid plover]

MainEngines plugin = MainEngines.getPlugin();
LBManager manager = plugin.getManager(); (return null in this line)
LBPlayer cache = manager.getCache(player.getUniqueId());
sender.sendMessage("§c" + cache.getLevel());

[eternal night]

Ye

[tender shard]

yeah as we suspected

you shaded your plugin and how you don't have an instance of course

show your pom.xml for the not-working plugin pls

[eternal night]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[eternal night]

pls

[candid plover]

https://paste.md-5.net/hitisefase.xml

[tender shard]

this makes no sense

how do you even access your plugin

you didn't add it as dependency

how did you even build the .jar?

[candid plover]

Artifacts

[tender shard]

ugh

you have to use maven to build your .jar

and you also have to use maven to add your other plugin as dependency

[eternal night]

does artifact shade ?

[candid plover]

https://prnt.sc/26rmrhn

[tender shard]

that can be toggled per dependency I think

I'm out, no idea about the weird artifacts feature. I'd just switch to maven

[eternal night]

^^ probably too

you could check what your failing plugin actually contains in the jar

by e.g. unzipping the jar file

[tender shard]

oh yeah alternative might be that they never assigned instance

[eternal night]

if the jar contains your MainEngines class file

[tender shard]

in the main plugin

[eternal night]

oh

lol yes

[tender shard]

did you ever do "instance = this" in your main plugin somewhere?

[candid plover]

https://prnt.sc/26rms2s have

[candid plover]

yes.

[tender shard]

then you must get rid of the MainEngines.class in your second plugin

I don't know how it works with artifacts

in maven you'd just have to add <scope>provided</scope> to your dependency

[eternal night]

(strong suggestion would be for you to fully move to maven)

[tender shard]

yep, currently you have a pom.xml but don't really use it 😄

[candid plover]

https://paste.md-5.net/ucoqehatuf.bash

after remove

[tender shard]

add to your second plugin's plugin.yml
depend: NameOfYourMainPlugin

[candid plover]

softdepend:

• LBEngines

have

[eternal night]

[LBLevels] Loaded class lb.engines.main.MainEngines from LBEngines v1.0 which is not a depend, softdepend or loadbefore of this plugin. suggests otherwise

[candid plover]

oh

[tender shard]

send your plugin.yml pls

? paste

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[candid plover]

i change sofdepend to softdepend

one minute

[tender shard]

oh no wait

oh no nvm

lol

softdepend or depend doesn't really matter here

?paste your plugin.yml pls

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[candid plover]

https://paste.md-5.net/agahubolov.makefile

[tender shard]

looks correct to me

are you sure your .jar actually contains exactly this plugin.yml?

[candid plover]

yes

[eternal night]

and your plugin jar no longer contains the LBEngine files now ?

[candid plover]

I think I do not understand

[eternal night]

Yes at this point I am also rather confused. Your softdepending does not seem to work (for whatever reason)

I am still unsure if intellij is shading your LBEngines files into LBLevels

[candid plover]

:/

[eternal night]

I mean

when you compile your LBLevels jar

without modifying it

does it contain the MainEngines class file

[lost matrix]

Do several plugins use this dependency?

[candid plover]

2-3

[lost matrix]

Relocate then

[eternal night]

from the looks of it they do not want to shade

they want to depend on "api"

LBEngines is a plugin on its own

[lost matrix]

I see. So its a standalone spigot plugin that has common functionality?

[eternal night]

So it seems

more of a data provider apperantly

[candid plover]

Yes

[lost matrix]

Then make absolutely sure that no other plugin shades the api in.

[tender shard]

the wird thing is that not even softdepend seems to be working for them

although I still think the actual plugin.yml doesn't contain the softdepend part at all

[lost matrix]

Open your jars with a compression application and make sure its not in one of them

[tender shard]

probably they added it and then didn't install the updated .jar or sth

[lost matrix]

Didnt read far up to be honest

[eternal night]

its a mess

they use intellij artifact to depend and build

[candid plover]

ok

[lost matrix]

Oof. I actually cant remember how to not build an uber jar when building artifacts...

[eternal night]

idk I have never worked with intellij artifacts

[tender shard]

I have no idea on how to use artifacts at all lol

[lost matrix]

Same XD

[tender shard]

that was the reason why I hated intelliJ when I still used eclipse lol

there was just no file -> export to jar

[lost matrix]

I started with Eclipse and then switched to ij while also learning about maven

[tender shard]

me too

[lost matrix]

never build artifact since then

[lost matrix]

Yes i remember this XD

[candid plover]

no, there is no .jar in other plugins

[tender shard]

would you mind sending your LBLevels .jar or what ever it's called?

[lost matrix]

Not surprising... I meant that you should check if the packages of your api is in one of the jars.

[candid plover]

no, one moment

[candid plover]

Yes they are

[tender shard]

yeah it's still shaded

your levels plugin includes another copy of your engines plugin

so it never accesses the actually running LBEngines.getInstance(), but the included one

which was never instantiated

[candid plover]

oh

how to solve this?

[tender shard]

well with maven it'd be easy

let me check intellij

[eternal night]

(or again, to make your life for future support a lot easier look into fully doing this with maven)

[tender shard]

can you show a screenshot of your Libraries section of LBLevels?

[tender shard]

+1

looks correct to me, but after all I have no idea how intellij shading works

in your Levels plugin...

can you see the LMEngine files there too?

did you maybe copy / paste them into the levels plugin?

[candid plover]

no?

[tender shard]

then I have no idea

[lost matrix]

Should be Project Settings >> Modules >> Dependencies Tab >> + >> JARs or directories...

[tender shard]

oh yeah

check whether your LBEngines is marked as "export" there

if yes, untick it

although I guess modules is just for maven modules

not for manually added libs

[lost matrix]

You can just add jars there

[tender shard]

(just forwarding the images they DMed me)

try to set it from "compile" to "provided"

[tender shard]

here

[candid plover]

ok, one moment

[tender shard]

(although I doubt it's the problem because it's not marked as "export" - as said, we all have no idea about how intellij artifacts work 😄 )

[candid plover]

I put it and it still returns null

[tender shard]

yeah sorry we all have no idea. we only use maven to not have all those problems 😛

I strongly suggest you to look into how maven or gradle works

[candid plover]

😔
ok, i'll get a tutorial, thanks.

[tender shard]

if you'd upload both plugins to github, I can change your pom files so that it should work

[candid plover]

😳

ohhh

ok

[willow stream]

hey, I'm rewriting this really old plugin and trying to figure out how to make it more performant and less laggy, currently it updates a per player hashmap with player's speed from PlayerMoveEvent and more stuff, I feel like that affects the performance a lot, what are some recommendations to fix this

it's depending on getting the player's location to calculate speed and then use that speed to create a vector

[lost matrix]

What is the overall goal?

[quaint mantle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/entity/Entity.html#getVelocity()

[willow stream]

it's an old soccer plugin, it's using Entity#setVelocity with some parameters that seem really poorly written to me

[willow stream]

make a vector from those parameters and set the velocity to said entity

[eternal night]

could pretty much just grab the velocity of the player at the point of "kicking the ball"

the euclidean length of the vector represents the "speed" of the player

[grave trout]

Hi, may someone explain me how can I use showPlayer?

[willow stream]

oh right I forgot to mention, the speed is also used to move the ball around

not just for kicking

[eternal night]

Well you call it on a player you previously called hidePlayer on

[tender shard]

okay @candid plover First thing: you have groupId and artifactrId messed up in your pom.xml.
It should be like this:
groupId: lb.engines
artifactId: LBEngines (not the other way around) Fix that please, then go to "maven" (right side) -> Lifecycle -> double click on "install"

in LBLevels, also switch groupId and artifactId

[proud forum]

hello! for some reason this code isnt working:

package me.mrhonbon.coolplugin;

import com.destroystokyo.paper.event.entity.CreeperIgniteEvent;
import org.bukkit.event.EventHandler;
import org.bukkit.event.Listener;

public class Creeper implements Listener {

    @EventHandler
    public void onCreeperIgnite(CreeperIgniteEvent e) {
        System.out.println("WATCH OUT!");
    }
}

could someone help out?

[eternal night]

did you register the listener 🙃

also paper

[proud forum]

yes

[lost matrix]

Did you register the event?

[eternal night]

heh

[proud forum]

i did register

[candid plover]

done

[proud forum]

package me.mrhonbon.coolplugin;

import org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPlugin;

public final class CoolPlugin extends JavaPlugin {

    @Override
    public void onEnable() {
        // Plugin startup logic

        getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvents(new Creeper(), this);

    }

    @Override
    public void onDisable() {
        // Plugin shutdown logic
    }
}

[quaint mantle]

are you sure you want to println instead of sending players a message

because println ends up in the console

[proud forum]

oh

[eternal night]

bruh

[quaint mantle]

bruh

[proud forum]

yeah i want it sent to all the players MY FAULT LOL

[dusk flicker]

👏

[quaint mantle]

Bukkit.broadcastMessage

[proud forum]

👍

[quaint mantle]

also

if you want it to be in the radius of a player

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/World.html#getNearbyEntities(org.bukkit.util.BoundingBox,java.util.function.Predicate)

[tender shard]

did you also "install" LBEngine using maven -> Lifecycle -> Install?

[proud forum]

neat

[willow stream]

imma just send what's concerning me

this is what I'm worried about:

@EventHandler
public void onMove(PlayerMoveEvent event) {
  Location to = event.getTo();
  Location from = event.getFrom();
  double x = Math.abs(to.getX() - from.getX());
  double y = Math.abs(to.getY() - from.getY()) / 2.0D;
  double z = Math.abs(to.getZ() - from.getZ());
  this.speed.put(event.getPlayer().getUniqueId(), Math.sqrt(x * x + y * y + z * z));
}```
and then it's being grabbed like this: `power = this.speed.get(player.getUniqueId()) * 2.0D + 0.4D;`
and used with other values to make a kick happen:
```java
kick = player.getLocation().getDirection().normalize().multiply(power * charge * this.kickPower).setY(0.3D);

and finally set as velocity like:
cube.setVelocity(cube.getVelocity().add(kick));

[candid plover]

yes

[quaint mantle]

n * n 🤢
n^2 😄

[tender shard]

okay, now add this to your LBLevels pom.xml (inside the part where you already have <dependencies>:

        <dependency>
            <groupId>lb.engines</groupId>
            <artifactId>LBEngines</artifactId>
            <version>1.0-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>

[willow stream]

was too scared to even touch that

[tender shard]

should look like this:

[lost matrix]

How about you just scrap everything and just get the velocity of a Player which is exactly the same

[willow stream]

should I still update the velocity in that event?

just replace what's being calculated

[candid plover]

Could not find artifact lb.engines:LBEngines:pom:1.0-SNAPSHOT in spigotmc-repo (https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/)
Could not find artifact lb.engines:LBEngines:pom:1.0-SNAPSHOT in spigotmc-repo (https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/)

[tender shard]

after you've done that, also double click on maven -> lifecycle -> install in LBLevels. You WILL get some errors because it won't find @ NotNull annotations from com.sun.istack package. Simply remove that import in your 4 command files, and also delete the @ NotNull annotations. Now it should work perfectly fine

[lost matrix]

Paper -> use adventure
Because for some reason Strings are deprecated. I think this is a highly questionable decision but well...

[tender shard]

are you sure your LBEngines pom looks like this?

[lost matrix]

You dont need the map at all and you dont need to calculate the players velocity

[grave trout]

yes, but it requires another argument

[quaint mantle]

why the hell are strings deprecated in a method that uses a string

[tender shard]

as said, groupId must be lb.engines and artifactId must be LBEngines

[proud forum]

confused what do you mean by that

[willow stream]

alright, thank you, I'll try it out

[proud forum]

ye thats why im confused

[dusk flicker]

Adventure is actually really nice

takes a long ass time to get into if you have no idea how to tho lol

[lost matrix]

Ask in the paper discord

[candid plover]

ok, i change

[lavish hemlock]

The methods that take in a String are deprecated in favour of TextComponent methods as Paper uses Adventure instead of Bukkit/Mojang's "legacy text" system (which would be colour codes)

[quaint mantle]

paper is bumbum head

[lost matrix]

It also sometimes explodes my legacy code from 2 lines into 2 methods with 10 lines each

[lavish hemlock]

I think it's actually smart Paper did that

[dusk flicker]

dear lord lol

[tender shard]

I opened a pull request on github for both your plugins. just accept the pull request on both plugins, and redownload both projects from github. then, first install LBEngine, then install LBLevels. should work now

[quaint mantle]

not for a fucking message broadcast method

imagine

[dusk flicker]

See I like that Paper did build it in, makes it much easier to work with imo but its a fucking nightmare to get started with adventure

Like its documentation SUCKS

[lavish hemlock]

As other people have mentioned, Adventure is much closer to how Minecraft servers actually represent text.

[lost matrix]

This. Took me a while to find out the more complex features.

[quaint mantle]

System.out.println(new StringBuilder().with('h', 'i', '!').build());

imagine

[lavish hemlock]

.with is a thing...?

[quaint mantle]

no

hence

[lavish hemlock]

also Adventure is not nearly that complicated

[quaint mantle]

"imagine"

[dusk flicker]

It took me fucking 3 days to figure out how to do stupid hex color codes in a message

[lavish hemlock]

it doesn't do char-by-char

[quaint mantle]

a good use for adventure^^

[lavish hemlock]

I'm pretty sure you can do TextComponent.of("") for text with no formatting

[lost matrix]

But why deprecate the String methods? Why force verbosity.
As an additional feature adventure is really nice. But taking away trivial approaches is not.

[lavish hemlock]

but idk been a while

[tender shard]

lol wtf? I just use ChatColor.translate...

[lavish hemlock]

It's less clean to do that for hex color codes.

Since each hex digit must be specified separately.

[dusk flicker]

I didnt find a way I liked with the translate for the bukkit ver

[tender shard]

yeah I just run it through some regex beforehand

[dusk flicker]

I wanted something like <#123456 >

[tender shard]

so it turns <#ff0000> into &x&f&f&0&0&0&0

yes, that's exactly what I'm doing

[dusk flicker]

hmm interesting

[candid plover]

i made pull

[lavish hemlock]

(also personally I don't like relying on color codes as opposed to enums)

[tender shard]

https://github.com/JEFF-Media-GbR/JeffLib/blob/master/core/src/main/java/de/jeff_media/jefflib/TextUtils.java

[lavish hemlock]

(codes makes it easier to forget what is what color)

[dusk flicker]

Either way I did want to get into working with adventure as I wanted to do more indepth stuff with chat

but it was nightmare lol

[lavish hemlock]

Oh yeah Adventure can also do stuff like hovers and clickables right?

[dusk flicker]

yeah

[lavish hemlock]

Also translatable text?

Yeah so that's why Adventure exists. You can't really do that as well with legacy text.

[tender shard]

just redownload both projects now from github, open them in intelliJ, maven > lifecycle -> install. first in LBEngines, then in LBLevels

now you have both .jars and they should work fine

[dusk flicker]

You can just not that great

[lavish hemlock]

Which is why I said "as well"

Anyway Adventure is great, but I agree they could have better docs

[tender shard]

and NOT use "Artifacts" again. From now on, always use maven to compile

[dusk flicker]

Paper did a decent way of implementing it for most things, so you dont have to deal with a lot of the adventure stuff, but I could find like no good documentation on any of the specific implementation and Adventure, and its documentation previously mentioned helped none lmao

[lavish hemlock]

Oh also

[dusk flicker]

I think I got Conclure to help me or smth lol

[lavish hemlock]

String-based methods aren't removed in Paper

Just deprecated

You can still use them, theoretically.

[lost matrix]

As stated before: Remove the "speed" map. You can get the velocity of any entity at any time.

[tender shard]

since paper claims to be a drop in replacement for spigot, they'll never remove them unless spigot removes them too

[dusk flicker]

I feel like it was semi useless to depreciate the string methods

Like, why?

[lavish hemlock]

It's a warning about convention

[willow stream]

yeah that makes sense, I'm just looking for all the doubles that were multiplied by that speed and trying to make sense of it all

[lavish hemlock]

"This API usage is unconventional to this framework but must remain for compat" ig

[lost matrix]

Not if you have tools for quality assurance like sonar that dont let you use deprecated method.

[lavish hemlock]

Is there no way to configure those? :p

[lost matrix]

Sure. But thats like buying a security system and then disabling it because you dont like the idle blinking when you sleep.

[lavish hemlock]

Well

QA should be useful to the devs

Therefore devs should have control over it

If there's some edge-case, then why not allow them to handle it?

I think it's valid to disable deprecated methods detection if you must use deprecated methods to make your life easier.

[lost matrix]

Deprecated methods are not an edge-case...

[lavish hemlock]

In this situation they are

[lost matrix]

No because there are a ton of other deprecated methods in spigot. Which makes the string based broadcast not an edge-case by definition.

[tender shard]

well it's kinda bullshit for paper to make them deprecated if they are fine to use spigot and you want to support spigot too

but yeah if you use paper-api, you don't wanna support spigot anyway, so

either use spigot and use their methods or use paper-api and don't use deprecated methods imho

[lost matrix]

meh

[proud forum]

yeah i am so confused

package me.mrhonbon.coolplugin;

import com.destroystokyo.paper.event.entity.CreeperIgniteEvent;
import net.kyori.adventure.text.Component;
import net.kyori.adventure.text.TextComponent;
import org.bukkit.event.EventHandler;
import org.bukkit.event.Listener;

public class Creeper implements Listener {

    @EventHandler
    public void onCreeperIgnite(CreeperIgniteEvent e) {
        TextComponent textComponent = Component.text("Watch out!");
    }
}

this makes me so mad

[quaint mantle]

thats so ugly bruhh

[dusk flicker]

While I am fine with them supporting adventure, and recommending it a lot, I dont feel like its the best reason to depreciate events, methods, etc. Also some of the naming conventions for adventure stuff I think is horrible, but thats just my opinion (Like for example, the paper server ping event is like Event#motd(TextComponent)

[lost matrix]

Good. Now broadcast the component. And after that you should ask in the appropriate discord server for help.

[quaint mantle]

?paper

[dusk flicker]

I thought they removed all the old com.destrostokyo stuff years ago and switched to the new packages

[lavish hemlock]

No it ain't :p

Static factory API is beautiful :<

[lost matrix]

I also miss the "getX" "setX" convention. But they had to change it so they could be backward compatible.

[dusk flicker]

ah

[lavish hemlock]

I just generally hate getters/setters

They are fucking annoying

I understand their point

but they make code so much uglier

[dusk flicker]

whats your alternative? rawdog the variables?

[lost matrix]

Then make all your fields public

[lavish hemlock]

See I wish I could do that

[worldly ingot]

There's a name for that method name style. I forget what it's called for the life of me

[eternal night]

fluent ?

[worldly ingot]

I really dislike it but it's where Java conventions are going now-a-days

Yeah something like that

[eternal night]

I mean, records expose fluent style getters 🙏

[dusk flicker]

yeah Im not a fan of it

[worldly ingot]

Yeah, records use them

[lavish hemlock]

Am I the only person here who actually enjoys fluent style

[quaint mantle]

its so bad

[eternal night]

nah maow I am down for them

[lavish hemlock]

God I fucking hate programmers

Ok thank you

[dusk flicker]

Lmao

[lavish hemlock]

Like programmers are always arguing over stupid bullshit all the time

[dusk flicker]

Yep

its in our blood

[lavish hemlock]

and they're always so self-righteous and full of themselves >:(

[quaint mantle]

of course method getter names are better for records

[eternal night]

I mean as long as we all agree that gradle is objectively better than maven it is okay

🙃

[quaint mantle]

levae ^

[dusk flicker]

LOL

[lavish hemlock]

Both suck

[quaint mantle]

^^^

javac >>>

[lavish hemlock]

Just use Make 😎

[quaint mantle]

Ant 😎

[lavish hemlock]

(jk, Make also kinda sucks)

[lost matrix]

I can get behind that

[quaint mantle]

make one

we all use it and make it official for spigot

[lost matrix]

"kinda"

[lavish hemlock]

I actually plan on making my own buildsystem soon

[dusk flicker]

https://cdn.rackdevelopment.tech/img/5zewQCG0q7.png

this type of naming I dont like

for the renderer

[lavish hemlock]

It's conceptually good.

[quaint mantle]

so bad

needs to be

setRenderer

[dusk flicker]

you dont want to see the method behind that

ITS A NIGHTMARE

[quaint mantle]

showm e

[dusk flicker]

https://cdn.rackdevelopment.tech/img/6Jq9SXyYfu.png

[lavish hemlock]

But then Make has so many weird nuances that cause issues for newbies to it

[dusk flicker]

keep in mind might be an easier way to do it

[lost matrix]

Im gonna write it in js and use 12GB of npm packages.
Oh and it runs on a node server.

[lavish hemlock]

And is terribly difficult to read

[dusk flicker]

but thats how ive figured it out

[lost matrix]

No wait. Ill make it an electron app.

[quaint mantle]

god

[lavish hemlock]

Okay actually this is pretty awful

I thought you meant in like

builders or whatever

cuz in builders it looks nice

[eternal night]

I mean

[dusk flicker]

thats how I figured out to deal with formatting chat

[eternal night]

it also just plain looks wrong

[lavish hemlock]

but if it's for static factory methods

egh

[tender shard]

@eternal night we fixed the LBEngine thing by properly compiling with maven 😄

[eternal night]

LOL

nice

[dusk flicker]

static methods = no

[tender shard]

new StringUtils()

[eternal night]

just as a heads up rack, components on the same level do not inherit their chat colour o.O

[dusk flicker]

I mean like static imports

not methods\

[dusk flicker]

what?

[tender shard]

I like to static import stuff like EventPriority

[dusk flicker]

you act like I can understand adventure

[lost matrix]

XD

[eternal night]

Like

.append(Component.text(CC.WHITE))
.append(Component.text("This must be white"))

is wrong

[dusk flicker]

oh will it not be white?

lmao

[eternal night]

no

[dusk flicker]

it work in my case ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal night]

they are children to the same parent

hence do not inherit their styling

[lavish hemlock]

Static imports make this look nicer btw

.append(text(""))

[dusk flicker]

imo static imports kill readability

but that might be just me

[lavish hemlock]

Okay unless you're not using an IDE

[lost matrix]

I hate static imports

[lavish hemlock]

No

You can easily track a method call to where it came from with an IDE

And most developers use an IDE

[dusk flicker]

but you shouldent have to

[lavish hemlock]

It's literally just a second of hovering over the call

And it shows you it comes from Component

[dusk flicker]

thats a second wasted

[lavish hemlock]

It's a second.

I really hope you're joking.

[dusk flicker]

I'm fucking with you on that, still imo dont like them

[tender shard]

but 30 seconds saved for not having to type Component all the time

[lavish hemlock]

Okay yeah

[eternal night]

intellij auto completes the component class call

like

[lavish hemlock]

Is it just me or does anyone else hate when someone makes a joke in the middle of a serious conversation??

[dusk flicker]

its what I get for doing the same thing for so many years lol

[tender shard]

what's really disgusting is when people use this.stuff() all the time lol

[eternal night]

.append(tex

[lavish hemlock]

EXACTLY

[eternal night]

you can auto complete to .append(Component.text(

[lavish hemlock]

Sometimes™️

[eternal night]

idk did it all the time

[tender shard]

python is weird because people always import stuff under different names

[eternal night]

but intellij is intellij

[tender shard]

like import System.out as sout

[eternal night]

so ye, sometimes 😅

[dusk flicker]

I never type system.out anymore

[lost matrix]

import requests as scrambledeggs

[dusk flicker]

Only type sout and let it autofill

[tender shard]

yeah it was an example for python devs

[dusk flicker]

Really screws me up when I aint in IntelliJ

[tender shard]

intellij cli version when

[lavish hemlock]

that

is basically all CLI editors ever

except with code inspections and autocompletion

[tender shard]

public class AClass extends JavaPlugin {

    private String name;
    private int age;

    public AClass(String name, int age) {
        AClass me = this;
        AClass that = me;
        me.age = age;
        that.name = name;
    }
}

beautiful

[lavish hemlock]

oh my god

I love how it's a JavaPlugin too so it'll probably error on instantiation.

[lost matrix]

Noice

[lavish hemlock]

Here's my favorite example of odd code style that takes full advantage of the lexer:

for (int i = 5; i --> 0;) {
    System.out.println(i);
}

You have just been introduced to the ""down-to operator""

It is in fact

(i--) > 0

[tender shard]

that looks so weird

[lavish hemlock]

Ah I see you use ligatures too

Yeah never use --> it's literally a joke

[lost matrix]

Would be nice if the second semicolon could be left out here

[tender shard]

yes they are beautiful 😄

[eternal night]

real devs don't use forloops, just int streams for that maximal performance

[lavish hemlock]

Finally someone agrees

[lavish hemlock]

...Of course!

[tender shard]

or copy/paste

[lavish hemlock]

I do that!

I'm a real developer!

[eternal night]

🥳 sick

[lavish hemlock]

Don't hurt me

[tender shard]

I love those stackoverflow questions like "how can I print out all even numbers between 0 and 20 using java" and people answer with

System.out.println("24681012141618");

[lavish hemlock]

Ez, first you must-

import isodd;

[lost matrix]

When i first learned streams i loved them so much that i literally replaced for loops with something like this

  public static void main(String[] args) {
    IntStream.rangeClosed(0, 5).forEach(System.out::println);
  }

[lavish hemlock]

I should make a compiler that optimizes eager streams down to loops

[lost matrix]

javac does this in newer versions already

[lavish hemlock]

...really?

That is cool.

[eternal night]

o.O

[lost matrix]

I think so

[eternal night]

javac does anything ?

afaik most of this is JIT things

[lavish hemlock]

I didn't think Javac had complex optimizations like that

And... I've literally been in the Javac code base before lol

It's a fucking nightmare.

[lost matrix]

Hm maybe it was just the jit doing the work...

[tender shard]

hm well java 17 doesn't

[sullen marlin]

you actually dont want that

see: haskell

[tender shard]

this is the code @lost matrix sent

[lavish hemlock]

Oh I love functional-style langs

Well

Partially

[lost matrix]

He was talking about the compiler opt

[lavish hemlock]

I really like higher-order functions and fluent codestyles

But shit like monads is where I draw the line tbh

[tender shard]

does it have to be enabled manually?

[lavish hemlock]

Y'know where every type of function must have its own complicated-to-explain term

[wet breach]

most if not all optimizations are done with the JIT compiler

[tender shard]

I love how java is like "ugh calculating 3*3? What a waste of time, let's replace it with 9."
and then on the next line it's like
"Oh, the square root of 4? Better calculate this one at runtime!"

[wet breach]

JIT has two modes it operates in. Interpreted and compiled. It will run your code through interpreted mode if it doesn't already know the optimizations to make for native and observe however long it deems necessary to make the what it thinks is the correct optimizations.

[wet breach]

the reason that is done at runtime has to do with floating points

[lavish hemlock]

IN ALL FAIRNESS

[wet breach]

floating points work differently depending on the OS and CPU

[lavish hemlock]

Java also calculates string concatenation at compile-time if possible

[tender shard]

yeah but 4 is an integer and 2 is an integer too

[lost matrix]

strictfp 😄

[lavish hemlock]

Fun fact: strictfp is applied to all classes as of Java 16 I'm pretty sure

[wet breach]

4.0 is a floating point

it may have started as an integer but to do square root properly and use cpu extensions it has to be a floating point

[tender shard]

it makes no sense anyway because I entered 4 and not 4.0 and java should be easily able to see that

[lavish hemlock]

It has to convert int to float to perform the calculation

[eternal night]

java 17 removed strictfp's functionality

[lost matrix]

It would also be a bit weird to optimize method calls at compile time.
Imagine if someone had a different jvm version that handles the sqrt method differently.

[tender shard]

but tbh if sqrt(4) ever returns something different than 2, then it's broken

[lavish hemlock]

Ye the ACC_STRICT flag is now ignored by the JVM as strict floating points are now mandatory.

[eternal night]

🙏

[supple bay]

08.02 22:31:06 [Server]  java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/terraform/coregen/populatordata/PopulatorDataAbstract
08.02 22:31:06 [Server]  at java.base/java.lang.Class.getDeclaredConstructors0(Native Method)
08.02 22:31:06 [Server]  at java.base/java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredConstructors(Class.java:3344)
08.02 22:31:06 [Server]  at java.base/java.lang.Class.getConstructors(Class.java:2043)

Anyone got an idea on how I would be able to access this abstract class? lol

[lost matrix]

Make sure its there at runtime

[tender shard]

shade it?

[willow stream]

damn, that really is a lot easier, I've been playing around with it and the only thing that concerns me is that the values are not the same (old and new speed), is it because this is more accurate or?

[wet breach]

in order for the compiler to know this, it would have to have done the square root calculation, however instead of risking such intensive process without looking at the numbers, it instead opts to not do such like it did with 3*3

[lavish hemlock]

46 = 1.2
60 = 16

[eternal night]

use the library loader to spit on maven central TOS ?

[tender shard]

yeah I know why, it's still stupid. Math.sqrt must always return the same value for the same input so it could have easily just replace it with the result

[wet breach]

not sure where you got that must return the same value?

square root on one system is not always exactly the same as another

even if its whole numbers

[lost matrix]

It does not. Maybe the implementation uses a fast approximation that isnt fully accurate.

[wet breach]

for instance, whole numbers or Integers are sometimes not really whole numbers 😛

[tender shard]

I wonder which implementation returns 1.99999999 instead of 2.0 for sqrt(4)

[wet breach]

it could return 2.000000001

[lost matrix]

*if saved in a float

[tender shard]

but Math.sqrt returns a double

[hardy swan]

2 will be 2

[wet breach]

The JVM spec doesn't say how an Integer must be represented internally only that it must function as the API expects it to

[lost matrix]

If you study cs then you will most probably have a course called numerical mathematics where you learn about the limits and precision of computers.
You will be astound how weird and inaccurate computations can become quite fast.

[tender shard]

I get that, but how would it hurt to replace sqrt(4) with 2?

[wet breach]

the compiler doesn't invoke methods when compiling as well

[hardy swan]

it depends on how sqrt is calculated

[tender shard]

yes, my whole point is to say it would be useful if would do that sometimes

[lost matrix]

As compile opt? Because sqrt(4) doesnt have to return 2

[tender shard]

as said, I'd love to see an example of when

Math.sqrt(4) == 2.0

return false

if anyone could show an example, that would be nice

[wet breach]

just fyi on this, a double is a float just a more precise one as it can have 15-16 decimal places as it is 8bytes wide unlike a float that has 6-7 decimal places as it is 4bytes wide

[lost matrix]

You should NEVER compare floats with ==

[tender shard]

I know what a double and or a float is 😄

[tender shard]

both are doubles

[lost matrix]

floats in the sense of floating point numbers. Of any precision.

[lavish hemlock]

...really? I never knew that.

How do I compare them then?

[lost matrix]

and doubles are also just floats. Double precision floats. But still floats.

[wet breach]

well as stated before, just because it looks like it is a whole number doesn't mean it really is =/

[lavish hemlock]

(Y'know I don't work with floating point stuff that often lmao)

[brave sparrow]

using < >

[lost matrix]

With an epsilon

[brave sparrow]

because "Due to rounding errors, most floating-point numbers end up being slightly imprecise. However, it also means that numbers expected to be equal (e.g. when calculating the same result through different correct methods) often differ slightly, and a simple equality test fails"

[lavish hemlock]

...what is an epsilon?

[lost matrix]

Lowest acceptable delta

[tender shard]

I just ran Math.sqrt(4) 100 times on linux amd64, windows amd64, and linux on arm, with jdks between 8 and 17, both oracle and adoptopenjdk and it always returned 2.0 and was == to 2.0

[lavish hemlock]

What is a "lowest acceptable delta"?

[tender shard]

so all I want to say I'd love to see someone show a situation where this wouldn't work

[hardy swan]

the lowest difference that you can accept

[wet breach]

you are also forgetting hardware and JVM implementation matters

[lavish hemlock]

Ah

[lost matrix]

double epsilon = 1E-6;
if(Math.abs(d1 - d2) < epsilon) {

}

[eternal night]

epsiolon is basically a number > 0 but as small as you'd like

[lavish hemlock]

That is fuckin' obnoxious

[eternal night]

the smaller the less errros you tolerate

[brave sparrow]

it's because if you calculate the same thing two different ways, you can end up with two slightly different values

because floating point is imprecise

[tender shard]

I am not forgetting, that's why I tested it on different platforms

all I want is one example of where it would not work

I don't wanna say it will always work, I just want to see one example of a situation where it wouldnt work

[lost matrix]

double d1 = 0;
for (int i = 1; i <= 8; i++) {
    d1 += 0.1;
 }

double d2 = 0.1 * 8;

System.out.println(d1);
System.out.println(d2);

Resulting in:

0.7999999999999999
0.8

[tender shard]

I was only talking about my Math.sqrt example all the time

[lavish hemlock]

I mean it's still really obnoxious

[brave sparrow]

them's the breaks

[lavish hemlock]

I understand why Minecraft had such a bad floating point precision error back in the ol' days now

[tender shard]

it's a shame they fixed it

the far lands were awesome

[wet breach]

I mean not really fixed per-say

[lavish hemlock]

I think they should've kept the chunk generation for them

[tender shard]

yeah they added a world border lol

[brave sparrow]

it's because floating point numbers are adding negative powers of 2, so there's not a floating point representation for some decimal numbers

[lavish hemlock]

Just removed all the other glitchy aspects

Like the hitboxes being offset or disappearing

And sound beginning to break

Or

[hardy swan]

java does some implicit rounding off

[lavish hemlock]

The game crashing if you go too far

lol

But yeah an official Far Lands biome would've been awesome.

[hardy swan]

i think

[lavish hemlock]

I can imagine people building bases in them.

[brave sparrow]

also for Math.sqrt(2.0) it wouldn't shock me if there was a lookup table under the hood for small perfect squares

[young knoll]

Or falling blocks breaking Euclidean geometry

[lost matrix]

Unless you change the radix ;D

[brave sparrow]

lol

[hardy swan]

example 0.1

but i think most languages do a round off

so it will still show up as 0.1

[tender shard]

smh still 6% on java 8

[lavish hemlock]

Java 8 is so nice though :(

[eternal night]

don't even want to know how many enterprise applications still run java 8

[wet breach]

that is because of the limitation of integers 😛

[brave sparrow]

java 8 is da bomb diggity

[eternal night]

if I didn't have my var I'd be crying

ngl

[lavish hemlock]

Why are you talking in outdated slang

[tender shard]

whut

[lavish hemlock]

Anyway so like

[brave sparrow]

then you really don't want to know how many are running 5 6 and 7

[eternal night]

yea i recently stumbled upon a project that uses java 6

[wet breach]

I would be surprised if anyone was running Java 5 o.O

[eternal night]

and then used googles optional 😂

absolute clowns

[brave sparrow]

there's enterprise systems still using vista

[tender shard]

at least pre java8 is non-existant in MC servers 😄

[tender shard]

my father's office still used win 2000 server a few years ago

[young knoll]

I used maven a while back and it defaulted to 5

Because of course

[brave sparrow]

not surprised one bit

[tender shard]

the servers weren't connected to any internet thingy though

[eternal night]

maven is on the forefront of progress

[lavish hemlock]

To this day I argue Java 8 is probably one of the best versions of the lang out of principle.

[hardy swan]

try support only 1.18.x servers, your java 8 will go away

[wet breach]

That is because Java 8 is capable of running precious compiled versions and second the GC in Java 8 in comparison to 7 is a whole lot better.

[tender shard]

I know but currently there's still many 1.16 people out there

[lavish hemlock]

Java 8 is nice because Java 9 encapsulated the language harder than I encapsulate my bott- Not going to finish that sentence.

[eternal night]

tbh java 8 is great just because it brought functional programming to java

[lavish hemlock]

Yes

Lambdas 😍

[eternal night]

or well, first-class functional

[brave sparrow]

Lambdas get overused

[wet breach]

I dislike lambdas

[lavish hemlock]

I think first-class is actually pretty smart

[tender shard]

java 8 was the best update ever but I still don't get why people don't update

[young knoll]

Because they need that legacy reflection

Duh

[lavish hemlock]

Legacy reflection was awesome :(

[eternal night]

🙏 what to do if I cannot change my private static final field

[young knoll]

Unsafe

[tender shard]

yeah because xX_awesome_Admin_69_Xx knows what reflection even is lol

[young knoll]

Until that goes away too

[wet breach]

one of the reasons has to do with reflection being deprecated in 11 and then stuff being removed/replaced in java 12 that a lot of things before those versions relied on.

[eternal night]

doubt that unsafe will go away any time soon

[young knoll]

Don’t jinx it

[eternal night]

there is always a need for bypassing the compiler/runtime

[lavish hemlock]

No it will eventually

They are slowly replacing Unsafe's methods with safe API alternatives

You know allocateMemory? That's the Foreign Memory API from Java 16 (or is it 17?)

[wet breach]

There is currently a couple of unsafe methods that would probably prove difficult to remove

[eternal night]

it is still incubating isn't it ?

the foreign mem

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah but it'll be out of incubator soon.

[wet breach]

unsafe is for interacting with the JVM directly

[lavish hemlock]

Probs Java 19 or 20

[eternal night]

just give me valhalla ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lavish hemlock]

I wish they had actual language features for Unsafe

[eternal night]

only thing I really care about at this point

[lavish hemlock]

So

My ideal language is basically Java + C + functional

:)

[wet breach]

you can invoke C stuff with JNI

[tender shard]

not one single server in north korea 😦

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah but then it's not Java

[tender shard]

also wtf is wrong with africa

[wet breach]

there probably could be servers in NK just we wouldn't know about it. Remember, the internet there is heavily regulated in regards to outside connections XD

[willow stream]

new: ~0.21, old: ~0.35 - whilst it's not exactly the same, I think that this makes it actually better

[young knoll]

Mojang and their private static final immutable maps

:(

[lavish hemlock]

Poverty

[willow stream]

thank you for the help 7smile7

[tender shard]

well I get emails from a rich prince from ghana all the time

he wants to give me all his money

[lavish hemlock]

Hmm

[tender shard]

so he must be able to afford an MC server

[young knoll]

Did he move from Nigeria

[lavish hemlock]

Maybe he just doesn't like MC

[tender shard]

nah that's his cousin

[young knoll]

He probably plays roblox instead

[tender shard]

ugh

[tender shard]

uuugh

[wet breach]

well at least everyone got a lesson in regards to floating point arithmetic's and precision 😛

[tender shard]

greenland also has not a single server

[lavish hemlock]

Thanks Frost

You get a 🍪

[young knoll]

What about Antarctica

[tender shard]

not on the map 😦

[lavish hemlock]

Eh there's probably some bored researcher down there

[wet breach]

I wasn't the only one that provided information in regards to that topic

[lavish hemlock]

Mmm

[young knoll]

BStats is unusable smh

[tender shard]

arctic and antarctica are missing completely

[lavish hemlock]

You're the only one I remembered

[wet breach]

there was AlexThecoder and 7smile7

[young knoll]

Oh but they include New Zealand

Which doesn’t exist

[lavish hemlock]

That ain't equality

[tender shard]

they also confused austria and austrlia

[lavish hemlock]

Oh

@brave sparrow You get a 🍪 too

[tender shard]

rwanda has more servers than the rest of africa combined

[young knoll]

Did Alex and Alex ever fight to the death

[tender shard]

it has like 80% of all servers in africa and it's one of the tiniest countries lol

[wet breach]

can the other african countries even afford computers?

[young knoll]

See, size doesn’t matter

[tender shard]

south africa can for sure and marocco too

egypt too

but only 5 servers in whole egypt

[hardy swan]

that's a lot

[tender shard]

(5 who have bstats enabled)

[young knoll]

Believe it or not, not all of Africa is starving to death

[wet breach]

Well there was like a civil war in Egypt wasn't there?

they are probably too busy fixing everything

[tender shard]

it's going since like 10 years now

I still remember when I was out drinking and my father called in the middle of the night and said "my friend gadaffi is dead 😦 "

but that was lybia not egypt

egypt was mubarak

[young knoll]

Rip gadaffi

[tender shard]

yeah he was so handsome

https://tenor.com/view/ghaddafi-gaddaffi-gif-12467606

[worldly ingot]

ngl I was hoping for an r/mapswithoutnewzealand situation here

[young knoll]

Pr it

[worldly ingot]

ca4431b - Removed New Zealand from map

[hardy swan]

Maybe bstats consumed your data for antartica, that there are secretly a lot of servers in antartica but must be hidden as part of the effort to conceal a conspiracy

[young knoll]

Probably because of the ice walls

[tender shard]

yeah that makes sense

[wet breach]

lol I was not implying this, however in a lot of countries computers/electronics are actually quite expensive to purchase/own. Easy to not know this or forget this if you live in a country where you have a higher standard of living where these things are actually quite cheap.

I recall watching a documentary in regards to some countries in Africa where most people actually don't own a computer and that most people who use a computer do so at a cafe where a computer is provided for public use, but not many of such are actually provided so it is quite common to share said computer with multiple people at a time.

[tender shard]

I sent some bstats screenshots

[wet breach]

because why not, nothing else going on 😛

[tender shard]

I noticed that there's 500 mc servers in africa, 450 of those are in rwuanda, and then like 3 in egypt etc lol

[wet breach]

I also wouldn't exactly say they live in poverty. It is easy to say someone lives in poverty if they don't have same access to stuff like someone in the US, however some people's way of life don't include needing that stuff to begin with.

[young knoll]

No

[tender shard]

you can only use textures that were signed by mojang

[young knoll]

You can’t add arbitrary capes server side

[tender shard]

unless you use client mods or unless mojang changes how vanilla client worls

[wet breach]

It is true that player skin changing isn't do able via the API, but not impossible to do server side just need to use NMS because you need to get at the GameProfile to change the player skin

also have to resend some packets as well in regards to other players so the effect happens for everyone and not just the one person XD

it verifies the signatures with Mojang API

[tender shard]

there's some websites that give you premade skins + valid signatures for it but that won't work for capes

[worldly ingot]

Yeah you can't change a player's skin or profile at all with the API

[eternal night]

😦

[tender shard]

well IRC NMS is not needed to change textures, only some reflection on GameProfile right?

wdym "still be allowed"?

You can't do that now

[young knoll]

Doubt it

[wet breach]

GameProfile is only accessible with NMS

[tender shard]

well it's inside com.mojang.authlib

not net.minecraft.server

[worldly ingot]

Can't really add a cape to a player either as far as I'm aware. Nor should you because that's definitely a EULA violation

[lavish hemlock]

I wrote a capes mod once

[wet breach]

unless you are optifine 🙂

[young knoll]

Don’t make me get the gif

[worldly ingot]

Optifine is... weird. It's in violation too lol

[lavish hemlock]

I've heard it's only a EULA violation if you are selling capes

[worldly ingot]

Optifine does sell 'em

[young knoll]

Which they do

[tender shard]

my former's employer's server was banned by mojang for a few months lol

[worldly ingot]

$5 or something

[young knoll]

10

[lavish hemlock]

Ye it's part of their donations

[wet breach]

Mojang knows they sell capes too 🙂

[young knoll]

Who wants a cape anyway

Be like wynncraft and give me a fox tail

[hexed hatch]

Furry

[lavish hemlock]

damn that true

[worldly ingot]

That's hot

[lavish hemlock]

@hexed hatch Pardon?

[tender shard]

furry update when?

maybe in 1.69

[lavish hemlock]

Minecraft: Furry Edition

[young knoll]

I’m not the furry

That’s maow

[wet breach]

One day, we will get a Minecraft 2 version XD

[lavish hemlock]

✋ Guilty as charged.

[wet breach]

and then all update mechanisms will break 😛

[lavish hemlock]

I mean it literally says "Your local furfag" in my bio so if there were any confusions I'd be confused.

[tender shard]

I got one plugin that's at major version 13 now lol

mojang is just afraid of big updates

[hexed hatch]

This is such a computer science major moment

[hasty prawn]

Where does it say that

[wet breach]

Mojang's EULA since like forever

[tender shard]

the eula changed like 2 years ago

now it's even allowed to sell ingame currency

but it depends

[young knoll]

Capes are special

[tender shard]

e.g. on pvp servers it's not allowed to sell some kind of totally OP weapons

[young knoll]

Mojang wants them to stay special

[wet breach]

not that they could prohibit this since in game currencies are not part of their assets or creation 🙂

[tender shard]

but it's totally fine to sell currency on city build / economy servers

[young knoll]

Non competitive advantages

Essentially

[hasty prawn]

Afaik I thought they just didn't want you selling P2W items

[tender shard]

ofc they could prohibit this. as said, mojang basically banned my former employer's server's IP back in 1.10 or sth

for months

[hasty prawn]

But cosmetics, like capes, are absolutely fine.

[young knoll]

Originally they didn’t want you selling anything non cosmetic

[wet breach]

really they just want people to stop complaining to Mojang about servers they don't control lmao

[tender shard]

this

[young knoll]

Cosmetics are fine

But capes are an exception

[tender shard]

as said even ingame currency is fine or other perks like getting faster horses, etc

[wet breach]

it is just a blacklist and doesn't stop people from connecting lol

[hasty prawn]

Why would capes be an exception

[wet breach]

because Capes are special for Mojang

[young knoll]

You can force them

[tender shard]

vanilla clients couldn't connect

[young knoll]

As for why you can’t remodel entities, idk, ask Mojang

[hasty prawn]

Considering Optifine, Lunar and BLC all sell capes as their main source of Income, I'm going to assume that Mojang doesn't care.

[tender shard]

and if you tell people to use hacked client XYZ or forge mod XYZ to connect, you'll lose 99% of players

[young knoll]

Well yeah

[wet breach]

Mojang does care, but it is quite possible that they have agreements with Mojang about this which that isn't illegal

[hasty prawn]

I guess they could, no idea. 🤷‍♂️

[wet breach]

just because an EULA says you can't do something, doesn't mean you can't ask permission to do it anyways

if they say yes you can, you have been granted an exception 🙂

[hexed hatch]

There really isn’t a reason for differences between Java and Bedrock resource packs. Eventually, I imagine they plan on making it so you can make entity models in Java and item models on Bedrock, but it isn’t a priority of theirs

[hardy swan]

doesn't mean you need to ask for permissions

it is not illegal

[tender shard]

I have to correct my statement, it was in 1.9 when they started blacklisting servers

[wet breach]

if it is against their EULA it isn't illegal per-say but you are breaking the license agreement and thus subject to a lawsuit 😛

[tender shard]

this

[young knoll]

And getting sniped

[wet breach]

you can't sell someones game assets and not expect a copyright or DMCA against you

[young knoll]

Bill gates will snipe you personally

[hardy swan]

but capes ain't game assets are they

optifine capes can only be seen by players who uses optifine etc.

[young knoll]

Can’t ya just like

Follow the Eula

[tender shard]

my cousin sold WOW accounts years ago, blizzard sued him but couldn't provide any proof for having any money losses so they lost

but he went to prison anyway for drugs lol

[hardy swan]

i mean, sure. I'm not a server owner

[wet breach]

then you as a user have nothing to worry about

people like Optifine would have something to worry about instead

but again Optifine has an exception. I know they do because Mojang almost bought them out 🙂

but Optifine declined the offer

[hardy swan]

damn

[tender shard]

I doubt that because mojang would have to prove that optine basically "took away mojang's income" or caused any other damages

[hardy swan]

optifine to remain relevant

[tender shard]

but mojang doesn't even sell capes

so

what loss of income would they have?

[young knoll]

Optifine is losing relevancy

Which is good

[tender shard]

i like optifine

[young knoll]

Because it’s closed source

[wet breach]

in the US Game modifications are subject to the EULA of the game maker

I don't know how it applies elsewhere

[tender shard]

yeah but is there any "contract fee" defined in the eula?

idk, I havent read it in a long time

[wet breach]

there doesn't need to be a fee associated

[tender shard]

but to get money, they'd have to prove they got any "damage" caused by optifine

[wet breach]

simply breaking the EULA is enough to be sued, you don't have to prove damages just have to prove they broke the EULA