help-development

[lavish hemlock]

and composition is

honestly much, much more preferable

I wonder, does DI count as a form of composition...?

[quaint mantle]

Hello, I have a question, how to create a cuboid (region) that will be secured (you cannot destroy blocks or place it) and when the player enters, an example action is performed, for example: changing the player's server in bungeecord. I have a problem with determining its coordinates. Thank you in advance for your help : )

[vocal cloud]

if(true)big();

[lavish hemlock]

Ye I've heard cool things about Spring

I saw its uhhh

REST API

I'm not entirely sure what Spring does though

I have also never actually used it since I've never found a use-case for it

[vocal cloud]

It's pretty insane to be honest.

[lavish hemlock]

I mean there's like fuck tons of Java projects that just exist for decoupling

God, I could not begin to understand shit like OSGi

OSGi is cool as a concept

Modular Java ✨

But then you look into how to use it

And it's

oh no

[vocal cloud]

You want an endpoint?

@GetMapping("/v1/blah/blah")
public String getWhatever() {}
and voila an endpoint

[lavish hemlock]

AND WHAT THE FUCK IS A MICROSERVICE?!?

[vocal cloud]

You don't actually need to register anything

ever

Besides any custom configs

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah reflection is really cool cuz of that

[vocal cloud]

But like. It's so strong

[lavish hemlock]

Later on

[vocal cloud]

API's are literally brain dead to make it's so nice.

[lavish hemlock]

They're replacing all java.lang.reflect implementations with ones that use java.lang.invoke

[vocal cloud]

So it gets a pass even though it's AbstractBeansOfTypeDependsOnDatabaseInitializationDetector

[lavish hemlock]

Which should give a big boost to performance

Apache and Gradle have similar codebases

I say "Apache" and not "Maven" because a lot of their projects are like that

[vocal cloud]

They have auto mappings for SQL,Mongo etc. To make setting up databases and queries a breeze

[lavish hemlock]

AbstractForwardingRepositorySystemSession

[vocal cloud]

And they have this https://start.spring.io/

[lavish hemlock]

I mean the nice thing about Apache's codebases is that they don't have like

endless lists of classes that don't look connected to each other at all

[vocal cloud]

Spring Boot is so easy until you get into the config section

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

[lavish hemlock]

What, is it one of those .xml configs?

[quaint mantle]

oop we use now is FAKE

we do procedural programming with passive data bags

[lavish hemlock]

It seems like an old trend of Java was to configure everything via .xml files within the classpath resources.

Look at Hibernate for example :)

Better than magic constant names via Map<String, String>

[vocal cloud]

But again they make it a bit nice by having mappings using annotations.

Stacking them like dominos

[lavish hemlock]

I think the problem with OOP

Is that you spend more time figuring out the API

than you spend writing the actual implementation

[vocal cloud]

I mean that's sort of problem with any large code base imo. Like at some point even the most optimized code base will get complicated by just being huge

[lavish hemlock]

We still have good ways to manage it though

[vocal cloud]

Javadoc

[lavish hemlock]

Eh not javadoc, nobody writes good ones anyway

I was referring to langs like C

They manage to have cleaner codebases than Java

Like, let's see

415 lines of XML in a pom.xml

So many different folders

src/main/java, src/main/resources (although this is justified, but it's still annoying)

[vocal cloud]

JDA has really nice java doc

[lavish hemlock]

You seen man pages?

Those are cool

[vocal cloud]

Some of them are a mess tho

The nice thing about javadoc is it standardizes it so you know your way around all of them

[lavish hemlock]

btw actual Gradle class:

NamedDomainObjectCollectionSchema.NamedDomainObjectSchema

[vocal cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/egoz-uwu-uwu-army-dance-party-gif-15090789

[lavish hemlock]

I do not like Gradle very much

[quaint mantle]

image using maven

Python 4 the win

[lavish hemlock]

But I also do not like Maven very much

[vocal cloud]

maven is a bit um xml

[lavish hemlock]

Yes

[vocal cloud]

But gradle has always been a thorn in my side

[lavish hemlock]

Simple build configurations

End up

to be

HUNDREDS of lines

[vocal cloud]

People like "it's so much better" then show me the code that calls a bunch of maven dependencies

[lavish hemlock]

But then Gradle is incredibly unstable at times, has terrible API, and terrible error handling

I mean the Gradle DSL is alright

But

Have you ever

tried to write a Gradle plugin...?

[vocal cloud]

I'd sooner die

[lavish hemlock]

It's hell.

[sterile token]

Gradle zzz

[vocal cloud]

Have you tried writing Spigot Plugins

[lavish hemlock]

Yeah that's hell too.

[quaint mantle]

comparing to maven plugins.. not too bad

[vocal cloud]

Manually import all the jars

Manually shade your jars

[lavish hemlock]

Anyway so the problem with Maven:

• Outdated (imo)
• Too complex
• Slow

The problem with Gradle:

• Buildscripts
• Too complex
• Slow (sometimes)

There's also Bazel

That one's a bit more recent

[vocal cloud]

Time to make your own

I call it Madle

[lavish hemlock]

Apparently Google uses it or whatever but eh

It looks kinda like CMake

Oh yeah speaking of Make

Make is actually p'cool

I haven't truly learned it but it's refreshing to see a simple buildsystem

[vocal cloud]

The errors come out in Klingon and you need to manually paste the enire main function for every library in the config

[lavish hemlock]

There's also Ninja, but you never write buildscripts for that thing manually so...

Like that's literally how Ninja is designed

[lavish hemlock]

Oh god

[vocal cloud]

It gets better. It's space sensitive like python. 3 spaces instead of tabs

[lavish hemlock]

(I don't like CMake very much - I prefer Meson)

[visual tide]

is there any reason you might keep your own Random instead of using ThreadLocalRandom?

[lavish hemlock]

Uhhh speed differences I believe

[vocal cloud]

Gotta use SecureRandom

[lavish hemlock]

Personally I just make a wrapper around a Random instance :p

[analog prairie]

Is this error player.teleport(Objects.requireNonNull(player.getBedSpawnLocation()));?

[visual tide]

im pretty sure that's not necessary in my case

[vocal cloud]

Alright this is the perfect example of intellisense is not intelligence

[lavish hemlock]

That'll throw an error if the player has no bed location.

You want to use != null, not requireNonNull

[vocal cloud]

Just cause intellisense provides a solution to a problem doesn't mean it's actually a solution

[lavish hemlock]

cough cough assert

[vocal cloud]

What are the docs for Objects.requireNonNull

[lavish hemlock]

(y'know assert would be so cool if it wasn't locked behind a runtime flag)

[visual tide]

assert is just making the stacktrace harder to read

[sterile token]

Gradle its Zzz and Maven also doesnt have any problems. I have been using it since a year. And never get problems

[lavish hemlock]

Disagree, all it does is throw an AssertionError.

[visual tide]

then you might as well throw the original

[analog prairie]

This is done by Intellij

[lavish hemlock]

Just because Maven doesn't cause problems don't mean it doesn't have any.

[sterile token]

It doesnt have problems

[lavish hemlock]

No it does.

[sterile token]

You because only use gradle

[lavish hemlock]

415 lines of XML.

[analog prairie]

org.bukkit.event.EventException: null
at org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPluginLoader$1.execute(JavaPluginLoader.java:310) ~[spigot-api-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?]
at org.bukkit.plugin.RegisteredListener.callEvent(RegisteredListener.java:70) ~[spigot-api-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?]
at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.fireEvent(SimplePluginManager.java:589) ~[spigot-api-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?]
at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.callEvent(SimplePluginManager.java:576) ~[spigot-api-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?]
at net.minecraft.server.network.PlayerConnection.a(PlayerConnection.java:1240) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.PacketPlayInFlying.a(SourceFile:114) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.PacketPlayInFlying$PacketPlayInPosition.a(SourceFile:42) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.network.protocol.PlayerConnectionUtils.lambda$0(PlayerConnectionUtils.java:30) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.server.TickTask.run(SourceFile:18) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.util.thread.IAsyncTaskHandler.c(SourceFile:151) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.util.thread.IAsyncTaskHandlerReentrant.c(SourceFile:23) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]
at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.b(MinecraftServer.java:1158) ~[spigot-1.18.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:3398-Spigot-f4ff00f-f3828bb]

[vocal cloud]

?paste sheesh

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[lavish hemlock]

I use a variety of buildsystems.

[sterile token]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[lavish hemlock]

Gradle is just one I use because I prefer it over Maven's complexity (although that doesn't mean I like Gradle)

I use NPM/Yarn, Cargo, and Make as well :p

And Cargo is fucking brilliant like hollllly shiiiit

[sterile token]

Maven its really easy

[analog prairie]

https://paste.md-5.net/apamudevoh.cs

[vocal cloud]

Maven is easy until the errors drop and no one understand them

I love how the error is so predictable

[analog prairie]

This is the eror for player.teleport(Objects.requireNonNull(player.getBedSpawnLocation()));

[lavish hemlock]

Maven actually uses a lot of reflection btw.

[vocal cloud]

What Objects.requireNonNull throws a null if the object is null?

[sterile token]

What the problems?

[vocal cloud]

[lavish hemlock]

But yeah I believe statistics show Maven is slower than a second Gradle run.

[vocal cloud]

Buy a faster PC

[sterile token]

Yeah

[lavish hemlock]

I haven't benchmarked it myself :p

[vocal cloud]

The error is telling you what's wrong

[analog prairie]

I just want to know how to solve

[sterile token]

With a ryzen 7 3700x and 64gb of ram. A multi module Project of 8 modules its built in less than 10m

[vocal cloud]

You learn java first I suppose.

[sterile token]

🤣

[lavish hemlock]

I can literally run Javac in like 5 seconds

If Maven takes a minute and 10

That's a problem

[vocal cloud]

The longer it takes to compile the more time I can spend drinking coffee and realizing I forgot to fix a TODO

[lavish hemlock]

(Javac, although a piece of shit, is decently optimized ig)

[sterile token]

but come one dont use that freaky shets

Its like the one saying they code plugins with Vscode

[lavish hemlock]

Hell even the uhh

Incremental compilation

Is slow

Why does it take literally 3 minutes to run a test...?

That makes test-driven development harder.

As you spend more time running tests than fixing problems.

But yeah I'm boutta write plugins with nano and make 😎

Actually fuck that's a funny idea

[sterile token]

In conclusion if you dont like how maven/gradle works dont crítice. Just dont use it. Or build your system and then told how it works 🤡

[vocal cloud]

Use VI

[lavish hemlock]

"If you don't like mass murder, don't criticize it."

I have a right to criticize the things I don't like if they're terrible :p

[vocal cloud]

My Dad has a working system that runs DOS I'm sure I can get something together

[sterile token]

How olds is he?

[vocal cloud]

60s

[lavish hemlock]

And I would've made my own system by now if the Maven resolution API wasn't a piece of shit.

[lavish hemlock]

I mean honestly I just ought to implement my own open-source transitive dependency resolver.

[vocal cloud]

Maven 2 Electric boogaloo

[sterile token]

Oh lol its amazing. With that age many of them dont even know how to turn on a computer

[lavish hemlock]

I once saw this interesting project

[vocal cloud]

He worked in tech for 30+ years.

[lavish hemlock]

Cargo4j

[sterile token]

What that cargo yest

I cannot find info about on google

[lavish hemlock]

Cargo is Rust's buildsystem

[sterile token]

Ahh zz

[lavish hemlock]

And it's a very nice one too

Primarily because it uses an actually readable, modern language

[vocal cloud]

Rust likes memory the way I like rust. Safely disposed of

[sterile token]

I only use Java not yet like Rust, python, js, ts really ugly sintaxis and hard reading

[lavish hemlock]

r/boneappletea

sintaxis

sin taxis

[sterile token]

I will always use Java and C#

Sintaxis isnt syntax!

[vocal cloud]

C# is Microsoft and Microsoft is awful

[lavish hemlock]

syntaxes?

[visual tide]

i mean vscode isnt that bad

[lavish hemlock]

Agreed

[sterile token]

Yeah. Its my cellphone corrector

[lavish hemlock]

I mean yeah VSCode is pretty nice but it's always been kinda slow

[vocal cloud]

Can't wait for VSCode Intellij edition to be fully released

[visual tide]

😐

[lavish hemlock]

Also yeah IntelliJ is just better :p

If they had community editions for all their IDEs I would use them

[visual tide]

vs4j 😄

[sterile token]

I would never recommend Vsckde for plugins

[vocal cloud]

https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

[lavish hemlock]

I mean it could totally work

VSCode has a Java, Maven, and Gradle plugin.

That's all you need to make a plugin ;)

[sterile token]

Using Vscode for plugins its just like hard coding

I dont wanna think cuz I will have more headache even gradle zzz

Maven good

[vocal cloud]

Gradle is better if you know what you're doing otherwise maven

[lavish hemlock]

I should totally make a plugin with just make and nano

[vocal cloud]

Vi don't overcomplicate things with modern nano

[sterile token]

What are you waiting for! I will use it

[lavish hemlock]

Vim?

I don't actually know how to use Vim

Sooo

I don't

Because I like the way Nano works more

I don't like the command style of things since it feels like you invest too much into learning to get anything out of it

[sterile token]

Nano and vim are linux editor right?

[lavish hemlock]

There's nothing more natural than a CTRL+S

[lavish hemlock]

Yes, they're terminal-based editors.

Meaning you write code.

In your command prompt.

[vocal cloud]

My dad uses Vim and it's so confusing how he just knows all the shortcuts

[lavish hemlock]

I mean tbf writing code in Windows Notepad would be way worse

And do it with like

Arial or smthn

no monospaced fonts

[vocal cloud]

https://siddhantgoel.github.io/stuckinvim.com/?ref=madewithvuejs.com

I love it

it feels like a joke but it's not

[lavish hemlock]

Oh yeah also

Why the fuck is frontend development so hard??

I don't understand CSS at all

[vocal cloud]

Learn a library

[lavish hemlock]

And then you have DOM frameworks on top of it like fuckin'

React or Vue

I mean Svelte is really nice though it's very natural

[lavish hemlock]

What, like Tailwind?

I mean if Bootstrap didn't look so samey I would use it honestly

Newer versions of Bootstrap don't require jQuery :)

[vocal cloud]

Bootstrap is nice yeah.

Or write your own

[lavish hemlock]

That requires me to know CSS

I know CSS syntax and like

A few buzzwords but

It doesn't make sense to me

Because you make like a single change to the properties of an element

And it makes no difference to the look

So you're just like "what? that was supposed to do something..."

And then your little StackOverflow answers you find on how to do something cool end up breaking everything else

Like legit the fucking "always put footer at bottom of a page" stuff I see ends up breaking a lot of my code.

[vocal cloud]

I know enough to make my own stuff but I just lazy it up to boostrap if I need it

[tardy delta]

Learning html css 🥶

[vocal cloud]

There are some PHP frameworks that are nice

[lavish hemlock]

I could totally suffice with like

JS

Although JS has a nightmare of an ecosystem

[tardy delta]

Js is a main for me

[unreal quartz]

Because you get used to it, like how you get used to shortcuts in 'modern' programs

[vocal cloud]

https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/05/23/stack-overflow-helping-one-million-developers-exit-vim/

[lavish hemlock]

When your language has literally 4 different ways of resolving modules

UMD, AMD, CJS, ES6 😎

[unreal quartz]

Lol

[vocal cloud]

It's a little different then modern stuff

[unreal quartz]

I mean

[lavish hemlock]

Actually there's a 5th method and that's importing stuff through <script> tags

[unreal quartz]

If you're used to spending most of your time in a terminal anyway it's not too much of a stretch

[lavish hemlock]

But that breaks IDE inspections :)

[vocal cloud]

Show me 1 modern text editor that has websites built to help you escape it https://siddhantgoel.github.io/stuckinvim.com/?ref=madewithvuejs.com

[lavish hemlock]

maowsbasement

[unreal quartz]

Again, I'm not saying it's not confusing, I'm saying that people can easily get used to it if they spend some time in a terminal

[lavish hemlock]

I shouldn't have to get used to my text editor tho :p

[vocal cloud]

Nano won this war for a reason lol

[unreal quartz]

I don't know anybody who actually uses nano

[lavish hemlock]

Literally most guides I see say "use nano if you're a beginner"

[lavish hemlock]

✋

[unreal quartz]

Anybody IRL*

[vocal cloud]

I literally don't know anyone who uses anything but nano

[unreal quartz]

I suppose I'm friends with too many nerds

[vocal cloud]

Or you're old

[lavish hemlock]

I would like if there was some kind of

nano-like editor

That wasn't vim

But was just nano but more modern

[vocal cloud]

LMFAO

[lavish hemlock]

neonano

[vocal cloud]

emacs

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[lavish hemlock]

Emacs is confusing and scary

and I have actually used Emacs

I broke everything immediately

cuz I didn't know what I was doing

[vocal cloud]

VIM is just a sand pit at the least

[lavish hemlock]

ALTHOUGH

There is one cool thing about Emacs:

You can run games in it

Productivity 100

[vocal cloud]

I mean it's not as cool as the excel spreadsheet games

[lavish hemlock]

Fun fact:

Powerpoint is Turing-complete

[unreal quartz]

Well you can write games in vimscript if you really want to

[grim ice]

wait

i wanna store some text in a database

but if i put the credentials in my code

to use it

[vocal cloud]

Then do it ™️

Use a config

[grim ice]

others will be able to write too

they can get the config too>

[vocal cloud]

I mean at some point your creds load into memory and they're there for anyone

[grim ice]

then wtf do i do

[hexed hatch]

nothing

give up

[lavish hemlock]

btw @vocal cloud you truly should check Cargo out, it's a great buildsystem

[grim ice]

WHAT

then how do i store info of people

[vocal cloud]

You put them in a config

[unreal quartz]

Well you can start by telling us what you're trying to achieve...

[vocal cloud]

then load the config

[grim ice]

this isnt a plugin

im making a mod where i have to store a number

for every person

[vocal cloud]

This is like the people telling me they want to make their plugin uncrackable. Like give me your "uncrackable" plugin for a few 🤡

[grim ice]

somewhere that its persistent

[hexed hatch]

is this mod for multiplayer

[grim ice]

yes but its client side

[vocal cloud]

Wat

Client side?

That's not how this works at all

[hexed hatch]

okay so this mod communicates with a server?

[grim ice]

no

[grim ice]

wat

[hexed hatch]

so even if the player manages to hack their client to add or change numbers for other people

why does it matter

[vocal cloud]

You want to store data from mod client-side?

That's a nono

[grim ice]

bruh

[grim ice]

it does

[vocal cloud]

What exactly is your mod going to do

[hexed hatch]

if this is just a client side mod, why does it matter if someone fucks with their mod

[grim ice]

its for rating players

its made for a specific mini game btw

[vocal cloud]

So it's okay for people to mess with the data you save locally right?

[grim ice]

if u can change people's ratings

[hexed hatch]

I'm so confused

it shouldn't be global, this should be going through a server to handle this

[grim ice]

the problem is if they change it for everyone

then wat do i do

[vocal cloud]

You don't make it client-side for starters

[hexed hatch]

changing it for everyone shouldn't be possible

because if it can, it will

client side is nono

[grim ice]

the credentials of the database

are in the code

[vocal cloud]

No they're not. You use a config

[grim ice]

they can access

the config

too?

[hexed hatch]

there should be no direct access to this database with this client

[grim ice]

i should make a backend or smth?

[vocal cloud]

Forge has plenty of config stuff you can add

[unreal quartz]

Yes

[vocal cloud]

But you really should not be doing anything async with forge

[grim ice]

and how to make a backend

[grim ice]

ic

but what do i do

[unreal quartz]

Google

[grim ice]

okay

[vocal cloud]

Not use forge to do async tasks

Use spigot. Open guis

If you have a custom forge GUI then still use spigot for the data

because with spigot its better than async forge

[grim ice]

what?

this isnt a mod u install on the server

[vocal cloud]

Um that's not how forge works

[grim ice]

what

ive made a mod like that before

[vocal cloud]

So if you make a custom GUI and it's only on the client you'll have to be sending the server custom packets

[grim ice]

its only client side, does stuff on the client not the server

[vocal cloud]

Or you'll have to make an API somewhere that the mod can access

[grim ice]

idk wdym

[vocal cloud]

but again that's async stuff that forge doesn't like

[grim ice]

either way that doesnt matter

forget this thiis is a java question

[vocal cloud]

You host the database somewhere else not on the clients machine. Then they query it using an API

[grim ice]

forge has nothing to do with it

[grim ice]

yes????

i know

but to connect

i need

[vocal cloud]

Then what exactly is the issue here

[grim ice]

the credentials

[vocal cloud]

You need an API

Not credentials

[grim ice]

yes and how the heck do i make that

[vocal cloud]

Depends what kind of server you have for the database

If it only allows html/php then you have to make a php api otherwise you can use something like Spring Boot

[grim ice]

is it a ton of work

[unreal quartz]

Depends on your level of expertise

[grim ice]

never done smth like this before

[unreal quartz]

So yes

Have fun

[grim ice]

is there no simple way of doing this

[vocal cloud]

Spring Boot is super simple and easy to implement but only if you really need to. Otherwise a simple php request will work

yes there is. Using a db and php to interact with the client

saves you the pain of needing credentials

[grim ice]

what db

[vocal cloud]

Whatever db you choose. PHP works best and native with SQL

[grim ice]

is MySql fine

[vocal cloud]

Yes

[quaint mantle]

MariaDB tho

[vocal cloud]

[grim ice]

ok so

is there a tutorial

on this

or some guide

[vocal cloud]

plenty of them

[grim ice]

is there some keywords

to google

[vocal cloud]

I mean depends what you want to do

[grim ice]

i just told u tho

[vocal cloud]

Like I said

Spring Boot is great but you'll need to learn containerization or something

PHP for something more simple but you'll really need to make sure you don't have any injection issues

[grim ice]

i want something easy since this is literally not the biggest feature i should be working on

ill do PHP

[vocal cloud]

Just make sure to sanitize your inputs

[grim ice]

idk what that means

but ok

[vocal cloud]

Once the API is complete you just need to link the mod to it. Which isn't going to be easy as forge hates async

[grim ice]

oh god

so what do u think i should do

[vocal cloud]

The fun is in figuring it out for yourself

[grim ice]

this isnt fun

im just malding

[vocal cloud]

I mean I find the figuring-out part to be the most fun

[quaint mantle]

Im pretty sure there's lighttweight web libraries for java

[visual tide]

how would i copy a file originally in /resources into the plugin data folder?

[quaint mantle]

https://github.com/yegor256/takes

[vocal cloud]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10308221/how-to-copy-file-inside-jar-to-outside-the-jar

[visual tide]

thanks 😄

wait

can i just use JavaPlugin#saveResource

[vocal cloud]

?jd

[undone axle]

Spigot: https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot
BungeeCord: https://ci.md-5.net/job/BungeeCord/ws/api/target/apidocs/index.html
BungeeCord Chat: https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-chat/latest/index.html

[vocal cloud]

You tell me

[vocal cloud]

http://tryitands.ee/

[visual tide]

i shall

[grim ice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-tier_(computing)

this is it right?

[vocal cloud]

I mean yes if you want the complex explanation of it

The mod is your presentation tier

[grim ice]

this is fucking complex

i have the first tier

and the third one

now how the fuck do i make the second

[vocal cloud]

Application tier?

That's your plugin or whatever handles the creation of the data for the db along with the API that sends it to the presentation tier

[quasi flint]

🌮

[quaint mantle]

Hey, so I am making some custom items which are going to be given to players/put in chests and stuff (for a server). Now I need to balance the items, so I will have to change some of the properties of the items on the way, so I was wondering, how would you go about updating every custom item with their new properties? I already have custom nbt identifiers for each of the items.

For something like hypixel skyblock, they are able to balance stuff

[lucid bane]

maybe use Inventory open event

and chevk there’s item which has to be updated

[thick venture]

Maybe you can do an inventory interact event and check if it has been update, if not update it

[quaint mantle]

hm that could work

[thick venture]

In the nbt data store the system.currenttimeinmillis

[quaint mantle]

maybe its just me but I don't like the idea of not-updated items sitting in unopened inventories tho

is there some way to get all inventories on the server

xD thats alittle crazy tho

[thick venture]

Players wint notice it

[quaint mantle]

that is true

[spiral light]

get all worlds .... get all chunks .... get all tile entites .... get all containers .... get all item of containers and update them

[thick venture]

You would need to store the location with every chest

[lucid bane]

it would be HARD when you want to trace all items

[thick venture]

Better to just do with inventory open event

[hardy swan]

ask players to create support ticket on server's discord

[thick venture]

Lol

[quaint mantle]

wHaT

[lucid bane]

yes run your code in inventory open event

[quaint mantle]

yup ima do that

[vocal cloud]

Anytime an inventory is opened check the items data against the latest. Make each item have an ID and when an item is balanced make it so that you have a check for ID replacement to replace an item with an outdated ID with a new item

[thick venture]

This wil probably be the most efficiant way

[hardy swan]

hoppers and dispensers go brrr

[quaint mantle]

could also work, but wouldn't the different ID system not make it more complicated?

[thick venture]

Depending on the function of the custom item this wont cause any issues

[quaint mantle]

like just checking against the new item should be enough

[thick venture]

No just add an extra variable of when it was last updated

[quaint mantle]

still why not just check against the new item

[thick venture]

This way you only need to do 1 if statement per item

[vocal cloud]

I mean not really? Keep it organized. It's faster to check an ID then the whole item. If ID == 5 replace with 6

[quaint mantle]

okeh

[thick venture]

Do u edit your items in game/via commands?

[quaint mantle]

not planning on

[vocal cloud]

Have a main ID for general items then add a subID for that specific item

[quaint mantle]

mostly in code

[thick venture]

So hard coded? I suggest storing in an json file so u xan edit it

[quaint mantle]

yeah its kinda early stage rn

[spiral light]

well hypixel just saves your inventory and when it loads your inventory it just checks for the id and not what stats are written down ... they read the ID and some data like enchantments or runes and just apply them to a new plain item of that id

[quaint mantle]

I dont know how to do json with spigot yet xD

[grim ice]

and how to make that

i still cant figure it out

help pleaase

[vocal cloud]

I'm not here to teach you how to make APIs and connect the to databases. That's something you'll have to learn.

[grim ice]

yes but

like some tutorial or smth

idk

[vocal cloud]

Try this

https://spring.io/guides/gs/accessing-data-mysql/

You will create a MySQL database, build a Spring application, and connect it to the newly created database.```

[grim ice]

but there is a problem

if i make this

i will make a httprequest with the first tier which is my mod?

so i can write

on the database

[vocal cloud]

The mod will and should not touch the database

[grim ice]

it will use the application

[vocal cloud]

The plugin should

Tier 2

[grim ice]

yes

but when tier 1 tells tier 2

to do smth

cant people steal that code and use it somewhere else maliciously

[vocal cloud]

The API that you create through spring allows people to get only the data you allow them to

Tier 1 shouldn't be able to tell Tier 2 anything

[grim ice]

what

then how would i write and read

on the database

[vocal cloud]

Through tier 2

Why would the client ever need to write anything to the database

[grim ice]

so for example

there is a number

that increases

when ever u do smrth

smth

and that number should be written when smth happens not whenever u want it to

[vocal cloud]

This is for a server right?

[grim ice]

no

a client

[vocal cloud]

Wait what

So this is for singeplayer?

[grim ice]

but that thing only happens in a server

no its for a client playing in a server

[vocal cloud]

Then the server should be handling it

[grim ice]

if i can change hypixel

[vocal cloud]

And giving out the points

[grim ice]

then maybe

lmao

its a client side rating system for players

[vocal cloud]

What?

[grim ice]

i wanna store the rating

so basically a player rates another player

[vocal cloud]

So this isn't even your server

[grim ice]

no its not

[vocal cloud]

you want to make a mod which isn't spigot for a server that isn't spigot or yours

[grim ice]

Yes

[vocal cloud]

In that case you'd need to use authentication and link accounts

But theres no way people won't be able to spoof the data for their account

[grim ice]

Bruh

so this whole thing is impossible

without them being able to change stuff

to whatever they want

[vocal cloud]

Well I thought you controlled the server

[grim ice]

i dont

[vocal cloud]

The server is where the processing should be happening

[grim ice]

bro if i did

i wouldnt be asking here

i cant edit hypixel

[vocal cloud]

Yeah no shit this is a spigot discord Sherlock we except you to own the server because we're expecting it to be spigot related

[grim ice]

is there anything i can do

[quaint mantle]

make a fabric or forge mod

would be my suggestion

[grim ice]

I am?

bruh

[vocal cloud]

I mean you can make it but that doesn't mean they can't spoof any data from it

[grim ice]

so they can just

change data

however they want

[vocal cloud]

Yup

[grim ice]

that doesnt make sense then

[vocal cloud]

Makes perfect sense

[grim ice]

for players to rate themselves?

[vocal cloud]

Give the client authority and the client will always abuse said authority

Yup

[quaint mantle]

wait ok I though this was a Spigot server 🤭

[young knoll]

Only on Wednesdays

[grim ice]

this channel is for development

not just spigot

[quaint mantle]

srs

wait what

ok

cool

didn't even know that

[hardy swan]

o.O

[vocal cloud]

Yeah but you have to explain that you don't own the server cause up until 1m ago i thought you were here to make a full client server relationship

[young knoll]

Just buy hypixel so you do own it

[quaint mantle]

-_-

[hardy swan]

now that you say it, this server does feel like a spigot server's server

[vocal cloud]

Forge only

I'll ban you for insinuating you don't know how to use a lazy optional

That's it leave

No typing

[hardy swan]

What is a lazy optional? aka streams?

[vocal cloud]

[quaint mantle]

I do not see people productive here so I am leaving now

[vocal cloud]

Nothing of value was lost

[quaint mantle]

I am lost

[vocal cloud]

Indeed

[quaint mantle]

👽

[quiet ice]

Error

[hardy swan]

emotional damage

[quaint mantle]

I did it to myself tho

[vocal cloud]

EEEEmotional Daaaaaamage

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[quaint mantle]

No is that a

yes

ok

[quiet ice]

it's best to just quit at this point

[summer scroll]

Hey, so I'm trying to use this tutorial https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/packet-discovery-spectator-mode-modifications-noclip.319125/ but I got an bad RuntimeInvisibleParameterAnnotations errror while compiling, what does that mean?

Code: https://paste.md-5.net/vavepoveja.cpp

[lime wave]

Hi guys

So

Anyone can turn a .java file in a .class for me?

[vocal cloud]

field.setAccessible(true); hoo boy

[lime wave]

Plss

[vocal cloud]

https://www.tutorialspoint.com/compile_java_online.php

[quiet ice]

javac can do that

[vocal cloud]

idfk

[quaint mantle]

thats called compiling?

[vocal cloud]

yeah use javac

[young knoll]

Problems?

[quiet ice]

mvn and gradle are also good

if you are really desperate, makefile can help too

[quaint mantle]

oh gosh makefile

[quiet ice]

basel is also another way of compiling it

[hardy swan]

right click > rename > remove .java > append .class

[quaint mantle]

xDxD

[lime wave]

Thsxxx

[hardy swan]

pls note that that was a joke

[quaint mantle]

wait what advice did you take

[quiet ice]

gcj should also be able to compile java

[lime wave]

I will use this

[vocal cloud]

lul

[quaint mantle]

cool good

[vocal cloud]

I was joking with that use javac

[quiet ice]

And ecj is also pretty good

[quaint mantle]

when you try to use makefile with c++

[lime wave]

Wait ;-; so, what I use?

[vocal cloud]

javac

[hardy swan]

not wrong

[quiet ice]

javac, gcj, ecj, or something else that uses one of these three compiliers

[lime wave]

Ok

Thx

Have a nice day, and a huge hug from Brazil :)

[quaint mantle]

Take that

[grim ice]

the way steven says it

is just

Chef's kiss

[quaint mantle]

lolol

he funny

[lime wave]

come to brazil one of these days

[quaint mantle]

I am literally shivering so yes please

[lime wave]

:)

[vocal cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQEubVwz7Zg

[quaint mantle]

Interesting message

[lime wave]

Yeah, just like that

Mas alguém fala português aqui?

É meio difícil digitar em inglês ksksks

Não pode falar em outras línguas né?

;-;

Desculpa

[vocal cloud]

Pretty sure it's English only though I imagine not enforced that often

[quaint mantle]

I wish I did not understand that

My wish came true 👽

[lime wave]

Como assim? Não entendi ;-;

Meu inglês ainda é meio ruim pra falar a verdade

[quaint mantle]

gets banned

[lime wave]

I forgot

;-;

Srry

But thx for helping me to compile the .jar

.java*

[quaint mantle]

Well actually I cannot find anything that says English only

interestin

[lime wave]

I speak Portuguese as my primary lang and English as secondary, Spanish as 3 and a lil bit of japanese

:)

[quaint mantle]

the only things I speak are Dutch and English

[lime wave]

Alien? Lol

What is dutch? I forgot for what it translate

[quaint mantle]

👽 👽

heh

thats its translation

[lime wave]

Speak a lil bit of dutch

Say, I'm from brazil

In dutch

[quaint mantle]

Ik kom van Brazilië

[lime wave]

:O

[quaint mantle]

dat is niet echt waar, ik moest het van hem zeggen

[lime wave]

Good bro

[agile sinew]

when i hold right click, it has delay about 0.2s so can I reduce this delay?

[quaint mantle]

hmmm, I don't think you can since the client only sends the right click packets that fast.

[lime wave]

What a 0,2s delay changes

?

[quaint mantle]

idk

[lime wave]

Mine is like 2s ;-;

[quaint mantle]

huh

[lime wave]

Lol

[quaint mantle]

what do you mean

[agile sinew]

hmm

[lime wave]

2s of delay

On click

[quaint mantle]

he means in minecraft, when you hold right click on an item

or on a block

or both

[lime wave]

Ohhh

Just do a autoclick

[quaint mantle]

:|

no

[lime wave]

If you want to build fast

[quaint mantle]

this is spigot dev

not hack dev

[agile sinew]

I'm making gun so

[lime wave]

I programed an autoclick, but I use just 4 build

So what's the problem?

[agile sinew]

gun can fire continuously

[quaint mantle]

the problem is that's not what he is asking

[lime wave]

Oh

I didn't noticed

Srry

[quaint mantle]

I think there are a lot of tutorials on how to make a gun with plugins, im not exactly an expert

[lime wave]

So ya want to make when you hold right click you shoot?

[quaint mantle]

but relying on the event speed is not good

[lime wave]

You can't make to shoot when holding Q? It has a bit minus delay

Srry for bad english

[quaint mantle]

well

right click is more convinient

[lime wave]

Ye

[quaint mantle]

and when holding Q, it does not instantly start going quick

[lime wave]

Makes sense

[quaint mantle]

right click is possible tho

but im now outta here I have some things to do xD

cya

[lime wave]

Bye

Also, I think is better you do left click to shoot, because if is right, people can shoot and hit at the same time, and with left click bedrocks can use tho

[agile sinew]

hmm

[lime wave]

:)

You are going to use a texture pack?

Add a custom texture tag to the item if you want to make it

Or to add later

If you want, I can try to make a gun texture or find one for you

Also, there's so much plugins that already do that

You don't exactly need to make one

If you need some help or ideas, I will be there

[agile sinew]

in CrackShot plugin, its delay reduced

[quaint mantle]

You are thinking the wrong way, left click is to hit entities/ break blocks

right click is interact

so he has the right one

by default of course, you can change it

[quaint mantle]

yes, because they do not fire each time the event happens, but have some timer themselves that is faster.

[agile sinew]

hmm

can you tell me how to do that?

[young knoll]

Iirc the event fires every tick

Can’t really get much faster than that can you?

[hasty prawn]

Could fire multiple times per tick

[young knoll]

Yeah but they would all fire together

[hasty prawn]

Yeah, it really just depends on the gun I suppose.

[agile sinew]

umm

so you mean that every tick gun fire using like Runnable?

[hasty prawn]

Ah wait, who said they all have to start at the same point though!

[young knoll]

True

[agile sinew]

making gun is so hard

[waxen plinth]

Not if you Thread.sleep(20); 🧠

[hasty prawn]

Why didn't we think of that

[visual tide]

any1 know why SchematicFormat.getFormat is returning null in WE

im trying to paste a schem

[tardy delta]

Any thoughts?
https://github.com/FourteenBrush/MagmaBuildNetworkReloaded/tree/master/src/main/java/me/fourteendoggo/MagmaBuildNetworkReloaded/storage

[quaint mantle]

Seems good

This is the code for my Custom Bossbarr

but i dont see it in the game

can some one help ?

nothing !?!

[hasty prawn]

Add the players after you do bar = new Bar

[quaint mantle]

in the main ?

[hasty prawn]

In the onEnable yes

[quaint mantle]

like this ?

[hasty prawn]

Yes

[quaint mantle]

alr let me see

[hasty prawn]

Also why are you doing an async repeating task?

[quaint mantle]

wow it works ok ok

[quaint mantle]

umm idk im kinda dumb at coding java just started

I was following throw a tutorial

[hasty prawn]

Do runTaskTimer

[quaint mantle]

do you know what is the best way to learn bukkit ?

[quaint mantle]

ill try

[hasty prawn]

Mainly just experimenting with it tbh

And lots of Googling on the forums

[quaint mantle]

what dose tbh stand for ?

[hasty prawn]

To be honest

[tardy delta]

only my interaction between the cache layer and the commands is something i have to think about

[quaint mantle]

how long have you been coding minecraft ?

[hasty prawn]

Like 4 years lol

[tardy delta]

if i would access the cache via my plugin or just di

[tardy delta]

?main xd

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/why-you-shouldnt-name-your-main-plugin-class-main.493289/

[quaint mantle]

isn't id getting boring just asking

[hasty prawn]

Nah

[quaint mantle]

I Delegate my Manager to Cache stuff

[quaint mantle]

really wow alr

[inner anvil]

Would it be possible to implement CS:GO (specifically source engine) movement into the game?

[chrome beacon]

If you want to make mods then yes

Plugins no

[inner anvil]

Ah, how do mods differ from plugins.

[quaint mantle]

https://github.com/decalium/decalium-clans/blob/rewrite/clans-plugin/src/main/java/org/gepron1x/clans/plugin/CachingClanManagerImpl.java
like this

[chrome beacon]

Mods can change behaviour on both sides (client and server). Plugins are server side only

[inner anvil]

Different libraries?

[tardy delta]

can i see an example?

[hasty prawn]

Fabric/Forge for Mods, Spigot for Plugins

[quaint mantle]

.

[tardy delta]

ah nvm i didnt see it

[visual tide]

is worledit a pain or am i dumb

[inner anvil]

alr

[visual tide]

now it's refusing to read the schem reeee

[inner anvil]

I'll check it out later down the line of my progression.

[hasty prawn]

It doesn't like you :(

[visual tide]

java.util.zip.ZipException: Not in GZIP format

ugh

[tardy delta]

i think i would just take a cache object through the command constructor

if i only need it there

[visual tide]

might legit be fawe fricking me over cuz i've done something like this before with normal WE and it worked

[quaint mantle]

@hasty prawn do you think if I would be coding Minecraft for 8years would i get bored of it ?

[hasty prawn]

I have no idea

[visual tide]

try it and see moment 😄

[hasty prawn]

[fluid portal]

whats the inventory action for shift clicking?

[tardy delta]

sometimes i dont understand the use of dependency injection in for example a subclass of an abstract command class, when every field is set to the same thing over and over 🤔

[quaint mantle]

hm?

making your object independent as possible sometimes worth it

[tardy delta]

like when a lot of command classes call the superclass constructor with the same args

[hasty prawn]

Then why do you have the args

[quaint mantle]

well, thats how java works0

[tardy delta]

sometimes im just thinking about setters and static things

[quaint mantle]

😾

[thorny python]

MOVE_TO_ANOTHER_INVENTORY iirc

[tardy delta]

drag?

[quiet ice]

if you stay with that and just that, no idea. If you start doing other things (such as modding other games), almost certainly

[tardy delta]

make some new things

and new game versions bring new stuff to work with

[tender shard]

InventoryDragEvent makes me mad everytime

[chrome beacon]

How so?

[tender shard]

because, you THINK that inventoryclickevent gets triggered. but when you move the mouse only a tiny bit inside the slot, it suddenly is a drag event even though you basically put all things into one slot

[spiral light]

its getting called if you just move over 1 slot for a small amount of time and no inventoryclickevent ^^

[tender shard]

so when you do not know about this behaviour, you end up in despair because your event simply doesnt event called because it's actually a drag, not click event

[tender shard]

exactly and that is quite annoying if you don't know about or forget it everytime again 😄

[waxen plinth]

Since what version has ConfigurationSection#setComments existed?

[spiral light]

iirc this is new with the 1.18 version

[waxen plinth]

Hm

[young knoll]

Sometime into 1.18.1

December 20th, 2021

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/commits/3e2dd2bc120754ea4db193e878050d0eb31a6894

[fluid portal]

no

i already got it anyway

[charred echo]

p7zip?

[wary harness]

is it possible to have remepped craft bukkit

org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_17_R1.inventory.CraftItemStack;

[tardy delta]

[wary harness]

so without version number

[young knoll]

Afaik no

[wary harness]

like net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel;

[vocal cloud]

I mean you could use reflection

[wary harness]

Really

that is added

[wary harness]

To much pain

I am already suffering from pepperoni meal which I had this morning can't take no more

[young knoll]

Yes spigot has some comment support how

:D

[wary harness]

That is

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

I am begging for something like that for last 6 years

I love my magical comments written with my bad eng 🤣

but this will be handy onec when versions under 1.18 die off

[hasty prawn]

They've had 8 years to do that and here we are..

[young knoll]

Well

Spigot uses SnakeYaml, which recently got updated to support comments

[tender shard]

there is no "remapped" craftbukkit because it was never obfuscated

[wary harness]

well I was thinking because of nms

so it would be easier handel new versrion with just like class for 1.17 =< versions

[tender shard]

yeah sure I also don't understand why they kept the version in CB

I just wanted to mention that it has nothing to do with "remapped" etc 🙂

[wary harness]

well

I think if craftbukkit

gets changed

would be a problem

I mean if API gets changed

[young knoll]

You’d have to ask MD on that one

I imagine it’s to discourage use? Idk

[tardy delta]

if most of my command classes make use of my user repo, should i declare it in the superclass of those?

[spiral light]

do you provide it with the constructor or static access ?

[tardy delta]

im still thinking about that

[ivory sleet]

The superclass mustn’t have any dependencies of the subclass

That makes it less substitutable and more rigorously coupled to given subclass which may also come off as a leaky abstraction

[tardy delta]

neither if all classes use that dependency?

[ivory sleet]

closes?

Ah

[tardy delta]

:D

[ivory sleet]

Well, now it more sounds like a bad design

If all classes must depend on it

It’s basically a singleton?

and a very highly ordered class

(Not necessarily wrong)

[tardy delta]

i was planning on accessing it with my plugin.getUserRepo()

[ivory sleet]

Ew

[tardy delta]

what ew

[ivory sleet]

Now you’re starting to hide dependencies

Which isn’t always great

Like sure, for apis it might be needed to create a facade with a set of methods

But if this is the solution to the global dependency I am certain you can do it in a more sophisticated way

[grim ice]

support comments?

[ivory sleet]

Well, I should still mention, over and above all, this is just a spigot plugin

So probably fine fourteenbrush

[young knoll]

Yes?

[grim ice]

so if u save a resource it will save comments?

[young knoll]

If it has them, sure

[grim ice]

so basically it recognizes them?

Pog

[spiral light]

this is allowed ???
if(info instanceof BigDecimal bigDecimal){
???

[young knoll]

What about it?

[ivory sleet]

it is indeed

[spiral light]

the check and instand set variable

[tardy delta]

its a newer java version

[ivory sleet]

much better than using an instance of + manual cast

pattern matching makes it just that much more succinct

[young knoll]

Yeah

It’s a java uhh

14? Feature

Idk

[tardy delta]

i sticked to java8 🥶

[ivory sleet]

You're officially dangerous

sometimes

[glad jungle]

#help-server

[ivory sleet]

Patience, young one

[tender shard]

sure, it's called Pattern Matching

[spiral light]

didnt know this is now possible too 😐

[glad jungle]

._.

[ivory sleet]

Space trust me, people here (in this very channel) scarcely do server configurations and such, its much better to just ask and await someone who works with server related stuff on a daily basis x)

[tardy delta]

i am :C

[ivory sleet]

No problemo

I mean

I use java 8 sometimes also

[tardy delta]

no no no i'm just dangerous

rawr

[young knoll]

Rawr XD

[tender shard]

I'm also on java 8 for my plugins but for private or custom stuff, always latest java :3

[tardy delta]

someone made a struct like thing in java 🥶

[quiet ice]

I like J16.

[tender shard]

records, pattern matching, ... new java really has awesome new features

[ivory sleet]

J17 is cool also

[tender shard]

also java 18 has pattern matching for switch

[ivory sleet]

just preview

[quiet ice]

so basically useless

[buoyant viper]

i thought the one for switch existed before 18 wtf

[tender shard]

yeah I just wanted to mention that it will come

[buoyant viper]

bc it was like switch expressions

oh wait

[ivory sleet]

yup, which is very pog

[buoyant viper]

pattern matching

[tender shard]

also stuff like this:

static void testTriangle(Shape s) {
    switch (s) {
        case Triangle t && (t.calculateArea() > 100) ->
            System.out.println("Large triangle");
        default ->
            System.out.println("A shape, possibly a small triangle");
    }
}

[tardy delta]

wasnt there an Objects.equals method or something which can replace this thing?

return name.equals(other.getName()) && owner.equals(other.getOwner()) && location.equals(other.getLocation());```

[buoyant viper]

maybe java will finally replace.... kotlin...

jk still has a long way to go

[tender shard]

Objects.equals simply calls both objects equals() methods and checks for null

[tardy delta]

yea i thought i saw it somewhere with varargs

[tender shard]

if your objects properly implement equals(), there's no need to manually do stuff like the code oyu posted