help-development

[dense heath]

Depends on what you think a device is, but we're not here to get into semantics.

[wet breach]

sure, you can probably keep that line of questioning going for everything

[quaint mantle]

Probst more

[wet breach]

there is really no way to measure the exact number of bots today

[dense heath]

Read the docs.

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/potion/PotionEffect.html#<init>(java.util.Map)

[quaint mantle]

Try BukkitObjectOutputStream/BukkitObjectInputStream

[dense heath]

You can serialize the map without another format if you like. If you're storing stuff in YAML, most YAML implementations are able to directly store maps.

Why do you need it as a string?

[wet breach]

Generally you serialize it because you want to store it somewhere

[dense heath]

Where will the string go in the end? What are you using it for?

[quaint mantle]

Either yaml, or abitrary binary data

[wet breach]

or a DB

[echo basalt]

He's probably trying to make a data syncing plugin

[dense heath]

Storing a serialized string in a DB violates at least one normal form

[wet breach]

ok? doesn't really matter. And I wouldn't store serialized strings as a string anyways, I would just serialize the entire Java object and store it in a BLOB

[echo basalt]

You'll have to serialize it yourself

[wet breach]

you can iterate over the map

[quaint mantle]

BukkitObjectOutputStream

Then Convert to Base 32

Not humanly readable though

[dense heath]

Simply serialize the map. Most YAML and JSON libraries can get you what you want.

[wet breach]

it needs to be base 64 otherwise we get people complaining about 32bits

even though it has nothing to do with that

[dense heath]

... WHAT LMAO

[quaint mantle]

Got confused for a sec

But I get it

I used to be one of them

[wet breach]

just don't tell the confused that 64bits has been around for a long time already since the 8bit days 😛

[dusk flicker]

lmao

[dense heath]

This is so far off the mark from what Base64'ing some data does that I'm contracting impediments right now

[wet breach]

two topics there

sorry you failed to comprehend just the one XD

[dense heath]

it needs to be base 64 otherwise we get people complaining about 32bits
I think the only one failing to comprehend things here is you. This is not even close to what Base64ing is about

[wet breach]

I know, read the next line down and I even say it has nothing to do with it

my messages is satire on the technologically illiterate ones

anyways moving on

[thick gust]

sorry that i ask but i forgot, which should i click to export my plugin?

[dense heath]

package

[thick gust]

thx!

[wet breach]

you can do package or install

install does a bit more, but still gives what you want

[thick gust]

what's the difference?

okay

[dense heath]

Package is preferred. Install will put the binary in your maven cache

[thick gust]

i just stick to package i guess

ty guys 🙂

[faint sage]

🦛

[wet breach]

that is technically true

[thick gust]

is there a current method for spawning falling blocks? the spawnFallingBlock method from the World class is deprecated.

[sullen marlin]

?jd

[undone axle]

Spigot: https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot
BungeeCord: https://ci.md-5.net/job/BungeeCord/ws/api/target/apidocs/index.html
BungeeCord Chat: https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-chat/latest/index.html

[sullen marlin]

Read the docs

[dense heath]

This command is so blessed

[wet breach]

there is more then one method for that, find that method in the Javadocs and you will see the other same named ones that are not deprecated

[thick gust]

yeah i was using a very old one. i switch to a non-deprecated version.

can you limit the amount of passengers for entities?

the old method was setPassenger for enemies. the current one is addPassenger since enemies can have multiple passengers. but is there any way you can limit it to for example only 1 passenger?

[quaint mantle]

hey peeps, not home atm and hd a question i wanted to ask before i forgot

is it possible to spawn an NMS item entity?

i currently have items spawned for damage counters/potion effects when theyre applied but i use a scheduler to handle their removal. is it possible to perhaps create custom ones where if they touch the ground they remove themselves/die after a certain amount of time?

[young knoll]

You can do that with the api

setTicksLived iirc

[quaint mantle]

is it like setMaxTicks

ohhh truee

ill check when i get home but if someone sees this and has a big brain idea pls lmk!

[rigid drum]

I mean you can check if they touch the ground without using nms too

depending on how precise you want to get

but yes you can spawn nms item entity

[thick gust]

uh sorry to disturb you guys but I have some problems comparing my inventory.. I won't get the message in the event at all.

[worldly ingot]

Your comparison should probably be if (views.get(player) == event.getView()).

And make sure to remove the entry from the Map when you close the inventory

[quaint mantle]

UUID

[worldly ingot]

Meh, I can't imagine having a Player there is much of a concern. Though if you don't really need that Player instance then yeah, might as well be a UUID

Noticing just now that you have a listener in a command executor though

Bukkit.getPluginManager().registerEvents(plugin, new BalloonCommand())
this.getCommand("balloon").setExecutor(new BalloonCommand());

If you're doing this ^, it's not going to work

[thick gust]

I just changed it to an ArrayList.

I still don't get why this does not work at all.

I think contains is still like == and not .equals.

[worldly ingot]

If you're doing this ^, it's not going to work

See above

[thick gust]

Oh

So you can't have both a listener and a commandexecutor in one class?

I mean you can but you should seperate it

That's what ur trying to tell?

[worldly ingot]

You should generally separate them, but you can keep them together if you want. However you have to also understand that you are creating two instances of that class

One which is a command and is modifying that list, one which is a listener that is listening to a completely different list

[thick gust]

I am so dumb

Yeah

The entire arraylist gets created once again

[worldly ingot]

[thick gust]

Thank you for the reminder haha xD

Sometimes I just need people to look over my code I would never have noticed that.

[worldly ingot]

can just make it once, hold it as a variable and pass it into both, then you're probably good to go

Rest of the code looks fine

[thick gust]

Yeah that was my thought. 😄

Aight thanks Choco 🙂

[worldly ingot]

[thick gust]

Also why are emotes blocked on this server? It's so sad I can't use all that pepe emojis 😦

[worldly ingot]

Just a booster+ thing

[thick gust]

Sadge

[wet breach]

just become a booster 🙂

[thick gust]

I already boosted my server twice and I don't wanna pay 3.5€ a month for just emotes.

When I get a job i can do it. Atm i am poor.

However let's not discuss such things here in this channel. Wrong topic xD

public class Balloons extends JavaPlugin {

    public String prefix = ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&',
            Objects.requireNonNull(getConfig().getString("Prefix")));
    private BalloonsCommand balloonsCommand;

    @Override
    public void onEnable() {
        loadConfig();
        balloonsCommand = new BalloonsCommand(this);
        loadCommands();
        loadListener();
        
        Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendMessage(prefix + ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&',
                Objects.requireNonNull(getConfig().getString("Started"))));
    }
    @Override
    public void onDisable() {
        saveConfig();
        Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendMessage(prefix + ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&',
                Objects.requireNonNull(getConfig().getString("Stopped"))));
    }
    private void loadConfig() {
        getConfig().options().copyDefaults(true);
        saveConfig();
    }
    private void loadCommands() {
        Objects.requireNonNull(Bukkit.getPluginCommand("balloons"))
                .setExecutor(balloonsCommand);
    }
    private void loadListener() {
        PluginManager pm = Bukkit.getPluginManager();
        pm.registerEvents(balloonsCommand, this);
    }
}

K i'm just confused...

Choco I created a variable of the ballonsCommand as you suggested.

And it's still not working?!

[wet breach]

need to register the command

[thick gust]

The command is registered.

In the plugin.yml and in the main class I just pasted in here.

[wet breach]

this.getCommand("balloons").setExecutor(new BalloonsCommand(this));

is what should be in the onEnable()

well could be in the command class too, but either way you need to register the command with the server

plugin.yml is for default permissions

[thick gust]

It doesn't matter if u put it into a method or just straight up into the onEnable method. I don't have a commands class for registering each command. I just did it all in the loadCommands method. Besides that, plugin.yml needs the command in there as well, otherwise it won't work at all. So if u don't list it there, it won't work.

Also this. is completly useless, you don't need it.

[wet breach]

lol I saw after I was done typing, and second I wasn't saying plugin.yml isn't needed, just it isn't the same kind of registering is all.

[thick gust]

Just use "this." for variables with the same name. For example if u have a method having parameters which are called the same as ur class variables.

All fine m8 ;D

[wet breach]

Alright so the command is what isn't working right?

[thick gust]

Yeah..

The problem was that I initialized the class twice, but it's still not working somehow.

I try figuring it out on my own first of all.

I head back to u if I need help.

IT WORKS

I changed back to a hashmap and it works finally oh gosh

[wet breach]

I think the issue might be you should use getCommand() instead of getPluginCommand()

nvm then

lmao

[thick gust]

For the love of god finally I made it fixing this ugly thing

[wet breach]

well let it also be a learning lesson

that ugly code is not cool!

[thick gust]

Oh i got a lot of plugins with ugly code.

I am puking when I see my old code from like 5 years ago..

I will seperate now my commandexecutor and listener, just like Choco recommended it.

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/code-coding-programming-computer-science-programming-language-gif-16596559

[wet breach]

it is what I do 🙂

https://github.com/frostalf/ServerTutorial/tree/master/ServerTutorial/src/main/java/pw/hwk/tutorial/commands

this is how I setup some of my command stuff 😛

[thick gust]

that way the extra variable for my command is not required anymore. that's why you seperate such things. now I understand. I will follow the grand wizard choco's rules in future. xD

[thick gust]

yeah I am too lazy to write projects to setup such things.

I think doing that would save me a lot of work tho

So I could just use it multiple times and save all that setup stuff I have to do over and over lol

Just came back into spigot coding after years, so i start it slowly.

[wet breach]

the way I do it isn't the most efficient, but it works in that it helps keep things organized 🙂

[stiff palm]

Hi, good night, i have a problem with items in inventories, i'm trying to code a duels plugin, so i am creating kits and when loading the contents to the player, when the player tries to move the item it seems to be in the destination slot but when you try to use it, it disappear.

here is the code: https://paste.md-5.net/ewafexohor.cs

if someone helps me, please tag me, thank you 😄

[buoyant viper]

that's nice way to stackoverflow

[thick gust]

How could you display rgb chat messages again?

Like with a specific rgb value, not just the enum values of chatcolor

[buoyant viper]

uhh

&#RRGGBB i think

[fleet imp]

Using CommandPreprocess event, does isCancelled turn true if the syntax was wrong or something

like, if the command fails

[young knoll]

try it and see?

[candid galleon]

that wouldn’t make sense

[worldly ingot]

Preprocess is called before it's even forwarded to the command executor

So no

[modest shard]

can anyone with TI knowledge regarding spigot help me with the creation of a plugin on eclpise? I can't get any imports to work even though I have a spigot 1.18 file set as an external reference library

[thick gust]

net.md_5.bungee.api.ChatColor.of("#92e336");
Is what I am using for first. Your method did not work for me :/

[quaint mantle]

no

[jolly inlet]

May I see your code? And, have you really used your server jar file in the external reference library? So that the code knows where to refer.

[modest shard]

do i have to use maven projects btw

[quaint mantle]

even with vanilla you can do §x§R§R§G§G§B§B

or with translateAlternateColorCodes

[jolly inlet]

You don't have to.

[modest shard]

ok

[quaint mantle]

&x&R&R&G&G&B&B

[waxen plinth]

It's highly recommended to use a build system of some kind

Gradle or maven

[modest shard]

ok if i create a maven project

[waxen plinth]

Otherwise it becomes much harder for other people to build your code

[waxen plinth]

Why

[modest shard]

is there anything that looks wrong here

[waxen plinth]

Yes

[modest shard]

idk ive never done plugin development although i have some java experience

[waxen plinth]

Your main class is called Main

[hardy swan]

Hahaha

[waxen plinth]

You're using eclipse

[quaint mantle]

thats the worst thing ever

[modest shard]

i dont like itelliJ :()

[hardy swan]

That's not wrong exactly

[waxen plinth]

Packages are displayed flat rather than hierarchically

You capitalize your package name

[modest shard]

can u stop dissing my interface and tell me why i cant import certain statements

[jolly inlet]

Does other code work properly and when you type like import org.bukkit... Does anything gets suggested by Eclipse. If not, you should really lookup a tutorial convincing the setup of an external library with a working jar files.

[waxen plinth]

Your code probably needs to be in src/main/java

You might not have set up your pom properly

[modest shard]

the right stuff is not being suggested

[dense heath]

Nothing wrong with this.

[waxen plinth]

Show us your pom

[dense heath]

Nothing wrong with this.

[dense heath]

Nothing wrong with this.

[jolly inlet]

Then that is the problem probably.

[waxen plinth]

No, you shouldn't call your main plugin class Main

[modest shard]

the import statements are wrong or have something wrong with them

[jolly inlet]

Nono.

[waxen plinth]

You should call it the name of the plugin

[dense heath]

Factually incorrect. Call your class whatever you would like.

[jolly inlet]

The external library is set up wrongly.

[waxen plinth]

You should only call a main class Main if it is the entry point of the program

[hardy swan]

Try not to use wildcards in import statements

[modest shard]

what are wildcards

[waxen plinth]

Okay I'm talking about best practices here

[jolly inlet]

Watch a tutorial, or something. @modest shard

[modest shard]

i have

[waxen plinth]

Sure you can just do wHaTeVeR yOu LiKe

But there are standards and they exist for a reason

[dense heath]

Calling your "main class" "Main" is acceptable.

[waxen plinth]

It's common but bad practice

[modest shard]

ive done what they do exactly (maybe different versions and that im using 2021-12 eeclipse idk if anything changed tho in addition to using 1.18 spigot)

[waxen plinth]

For plugins they should be called the name of the plugin

[jolly inlet]

May you show the eclipse site where you set it up?

[dense heath]

Show me one official Spigot article that says this.

[waxen plinth]

For standalone programs calling it Main is fine

[modest shard]

? like where i got my eclipse from?

[waxen plinth]

If you call all your main classes Main you end up with tons of classes called Main on the classpath

[jolly inlet]

No no.

[hardy swan]

It is always good to give accurate names to a class

[modest shard]

just one named Mai ofc

[jolly inlet]

Like how you set up your external library.

[dense heath]

Yeah? So long as they're in different packages it doesn't matter.

[waxen plinth]

Calling them by the plugin name makes it far less ambiguous to interface with another plugin from your plugin

Oh here's rack

[dense heath]

Calling a plugin's main class "Main" is pretty accurate.

[dusk flicker]

are you saying Main is an acceptable class name in a plugin

[waxen plinth]

The guy

[dusk flicker]

I swear

[waxen plinth]

Where's the copypasta

[dusk flicker]

@paper viper I NEED YOU.

[waxen plinth]

Oh it's him?

I thought it was you lol

[paper viper]

Main?

[dusk flicker]

YES

[paper viper]

Im here daddy

[dusk flicker]

HE IS ARGUING FOR IT

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard I would need a screenshot to support you.

[dusk flicker]

I don't have it anymore

[paper viper]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/why-you-shouldnt-name-your-main-plugin-class-main.493289/

IM HERE

[modest shard]

right click the project -> build path -> add external source -> select the spigot file

[paper viper]

@dense heath

[dense heath]

Reading this, hold on

[hardy swan]

Haha

[paper viper]

you better read this shit

[waxen plinth]

Lol

[paper viper]

or else i will find your address

[dusk flicker]

yikes I forgot how bad Eclipse formatting is

[paper viper]

🤢

[modest shard]

do u use intelliJ

[paper viper]

that class name

[dusk flicker]

ofc I use intellij

[modest shard]

shaddup im just trying to get this thing to work

[paper viper]

🤮

[jolly inlet]

Well...

[dusk flicker]

so what's the actual issue

[hardy swan]

so i believe his class should be in src/main/java, someone pointed that out

[dusk flicker]

def a possibility

[jolly inlet]

Yeah.

[modest shard]

how do i fix that

[paper viper]

Yep, iirc eclipse has that too

[modest shard]

am i supposed to use intelliJ

[dusk flicker]

No, just its prefrence

[paper viper]

No, make a folder

main/java

[jolly inlet]

You might, bur you don't have to.

[modest shard]

wHeRe

[dusk flicker]

Under src

Then move all your packages and classes into that folder

Like this https://cdn.rackdevelopment.tech/img/KVGj7k9zKc.png

[paper viper]

thats a package

[jolly inlet]

You just need to put both java files into the same me.ramen.Testplugin directory. @modest shard

[paper viper]

not a folder

[dense heath]

reeEEEE MAiN

[dusk flicker]

You want a folder, not a package

my dude this isnt a plugin

[paper viper]

its called an application

[hardy swan]

:`D

[paper viper]

did you read it even?

[modest shard]

wottt

[dense heath]

Nope

[paper viper]

...

[modest shard]

i made folder it turned it into a package

[paper viper]

read it

[dense heath]

Writing a response to your article, need a few more moments.

[paper viper]

Lol

Mmm more post karma

[young knoll]

Heck is going on in here

[dusk flicker]

I don't think its a plugin at least lol https://cdn.rackdevelopment.tech/img/1p6QSMA6Aq.png

[jolly inlet]

You just need to put both java files into the same me.ramen.Testplugin directory. @Ramen_ReBound

[waxen plinth]

There really is no good reason to call it Main

[dusk flicker]

Hmm maybe try moving it aswell

[paper viper]

Feed me those messages

[modest shard]

ok should i just start over with intelliJ

[jolly inlet]

No wait.

[dusk flicker]

You don't have too

[jolly inlet]

We will solve it.

[dusk flicker]

Try moving all your packages into that created folder (or in this case, package)

Maybe Eclipse is just a bit weird

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard

[dusk flicker]

Havent used it in a few years

[hardy swan]

ok @dense heath hear me out, say all plugins have their class as Main, wouldn't that be irritating?

[waxen plinth]

@paper viper another thing to add is that when interfacing with other plugins through their API, you often access their main plugin class, and having it be called by the plugin name makes it much less ambiguous which plugin you're interfacing with

[hardy swan]

^

[modest shard]

whats that mean 😦

main and the command files?

[jolly inlet]

Yes.

[dusk flicker]

move the two packages that you created with your classes into the main.java folder

[modest shard]

so the commands one into the first package?

[jolly inlet]

And if you want to have more structure than you can create more folders under it.

[dusk flicker]

(it should move the classes as well)

[jolly inlet]

Yeah anything.

[paper viper]

Yeah that's a good point too

let me add it

[modest shard]

didnt work b/c when i made a folder it turned into a package for some reason

[dusk flicker]

yeah I know, might aswell try it either way

Eclipse might just count it as a package even tho its not, technically packages are folders

[hardy swan]

eclipse doesn't help you generate a maven project?

[modest shard]

i closed my packjage explorer f i forgot how to open it again 🤮

[waxen plinth]

intellij

[dusk flicker]

honestly

no idea

[modest shard]

nvm i found it

[dusk flicker]

Lol

[waxen plinth]

sad

And yea packages are literally just folders

Folders but based

[dusk flicker]

love that description of them

lmao

[hardy swan]

use command line instead of IDEs, problem solved

mvn archetype:generate

[dusk flicker]

that an actual command

huh

didn't know that

[waxen plinth]

Only foolish developers use any tools that might make development easier

[dusk flicker]

very true

[hardy swan]

yes, cool kids use vim

[jolly inlet]

Well...Listen...You delete any other package than your main one first. Then you are creating a directory wirh lower case letters and WITHOUT any periods. Then you put your command classes into this folder and your main java class into the normal and unique package: me.ramen.TestPlugin

[modest shard]

this?

[waxen plinth]

I have a good alternative to command classes but I will be executed by a firing squad

[dusk flicker]

uh oh

[jolly inlet]

No, name your package like before.

[dusk flicker]

well they are getting somewhere at least

[modest shard]

so change the main name?

to me.ramen.TestPlugin?

[paper viper]

waiting for that bk response 😄

[jolly inlet]

Yeah, the name of the package should be different.

[waxen plinth]

Honestly

Just make a new maven project

[dusk flicker]

honestly yeah might be easier lol

[hardy swan]

exactly haha

[waxen plinth]

Eclipse will set it up for maven automatically

[dusk flicker]

I get to start working with Gradle Redempt

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard Honestly

[dusk flicker]

its fun....

[waxen plinth]

I don't know enough about eclipse to help with that issue otherwise

[modest shard]

ok 😦

[waxen plinth]

Hell yeah gradle is great

Mostly because it's not insanely verbose

[jolly inlet]

Idk either but I try where I can.

[hardy swan]

maven is better, cuz it is verbose

[dusk flicker]

I have no idea what im doing but managed to add an apache commons dep lol

[waxen plinth]

Nice

[dusk flicker]

I have to use gradle on this project, basically 90% of it is restrictive that I can't change

[waxen plinth]

What are you struggling with

[modest shard]

is this right sofar

[jolly inlet]

When you set it up, watch a tutorial and do all the same, trust me, that will work then.

[waxen plinth]

Sure

[dusk flicker]

I wonder if that top selection is what changed it

[modest shard]

no tutorial uses a maven that ive found

or rather

i found one

[waxen plinth]

I just like gradle because you can define something simple in 1 line instead of like 5

And xml fucking sucks

[modest shard]

but the import stuff still didnt work

[dusk flicker]

Yeah I do like that lol

It's weird tho, half my dependencies are added here https://cdn.rackdevelopment.tech/img/PujzE3BbiM.png

Not cause of Gradle, but the actual software im making this for

[jolly inlet]

As said, you have to send a screenshot how you set up your external jar file.

[modest shard]

isnt that downloaded from spigot

[dusk flicker]

Spigot provides a api repository

[modest shard]

or am i missing something here

[dusk flicker]

so if you are doing that, yes

[jolly inlet]

Yes, I mean like your external library.

[dusk flicker]

I dont think that gif applies

[modest shard]

wot

[jolly inlet]

Sry, I mistyped.

[modest shard]

this thing?

[jolly inlet]

No no.

[dusk flicker]

hope you built that with buildtools

[modest shard]

probably not

[dusk flicker]

YIKES

[modest shard]

😐

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard

[modest shard]

whats that

[dusk flicker]

my mouth has been dry for like 10 mins cause of this convo

LOL

[jolly inlet]

This.

[modest shard]

yes where in the eclipse ide?

[modest shard]

whats that

[jolly inlet]

Yeah pls

[dense heath]

This is fluff and I disagree with most of it. Let's break it down:

1. Special handling of classes during the class loading process should be thoroughly documented. I have never heard of a developer experiencing problems during class loading on a Spigot plugin because their main class was named "Main". That's a load of shit.
2. You're right, it isn't a standalone piece of software, but if Spigot calls it a "main class" then I see no problem with naming your main class, very appropriately, "Main". You say it is discouraged, but you don't say by who. Better references in this section would support your claims instead of making it sound like what is it: your opinion.
3. Packaging is my only possible response to this section. As long as plugin's full class names don't overlap, everyone is happy. There are very few circumstances where you have to be looking at every single loaded class on a server.
4. Saying "a lot of people do it" is not a good reason to ever do something. A lot of people create a pseudo-singleton pattern in their main class, but that doesn't make it good.

A substantially better argument than any of the points you have stated would be that it is Java convention to name classes accordingly with their super classes, except in case of the Object super class. Following this logic, main classes--which always extend JavaPlugin--should be MyPluginNamePlugin so that it matches the official convention advertised by Oracle.

[modest shard]

this?

[jolly inlet]

Yes.

[dense heath]

No? I never have to look at every single class loaded at once lmao

[paper viper]

Damn, communist

I see

Lol

[buoyant viper]

mom said its MY turn to use the Main

[paper viper]

Just wants everything to be the same

XD

[dusk flicker]

lmao

[dense heath]

Oh dear lord! Java based First robots!

[modest shard]

what is buildtools

[dusk flicker]

yes

either Java or C

[dense heath]

Be based, write your robot in Rust.

[dusk flicker]

and C Sucks

[dense heath]

Factually incorrect.

[dusk flicker]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense heath]

No? xd

[modest shard]

😦

[waxen plinth]

C doesn't suck but it does lack a lot of useful abstractions that virtually all modern languages have

[modest shard]

what are build tools??

[dusk flicker]

?bt

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[modest shard]

what do they do

[waxen plinth]

Read the page damnit

[jolly inlet]

Stop.

[waxen plinth]

We're not your butlers lol

[modest shard]

do u need to build to use the api

[waxen plinth]

Least you can do is take a minute to read the linked resource my guy

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard listen.

https://youtu.be/pRzR4OIoVks @modest shard

[modest shard]

ok i got git

[dusk flicker]

worst thing is it recommends using VSCode for programming

[jolly inlet]

This is a good tutorial setting up your ide environment.

[waxen plinth]

Don't be a help vampire

[dusk flicker]

basically have to use vscode but I have an addon that lets me deploy from intellij lol

[waxen plinth]

Rust in vscode is nice

[paper viper]

1. Maybe cause you never knew, but naming your class Main does indeed break certain frameworks/apis that name their class Main.
2. Do you not know the fucking difference between an actual server and a plugin? A plugin is a modification to the game, not a full on application. This ain't opinion, it's fact. Even the Paypal disputes have said that plugins are modifications, and we can all agree on that. Plugins are server side mods.
3. If you can already provide a unique package the first place, why not just provide a unique main plugin class name then? Lol
4. Tell that to the 1000th chat plugin developer /s lol. But seriously, the point of that section was that cause a lot of professional plugins do it anyways, and the reasons above.

[jolly inlet]

It should fix any kind of external library error.

[dense heath]

I have depression from reading this. This is why I stayed away from robotics lmao

[dense heath]

C is a low level language. Of course it is missing abstractions.

[waxen plinth]

Waiting on jetbrains fleet honestly

[modest shard]

what do i do with git bash

[waxen plinth]

Rust is much nicer and comparable in speed, but has many more abstractions

[waxen plinth]

Again

[paper viper]

And safe

Rust very safe

[modest shard]

i dont see it

[waxen plinth]

RTFM

[jolly inlet]

???

[modest shard]

nvm

[dusk flicker]

jump off a bridge gang!

[waxen plinth]

Read what a help vampire is and stop being one

[jolly inlet]

Just follow the tutorial dude

[hardy swan]

1. Naming conventions might not help you prevent your program from breaking down, but they are there for other reasons.
2. Spigot calls it your main class because that is probably the best way to describe it in a plugin, not the best way to name it. It is the class that you reference from plugin.yml that extends JavaPlugin, that's all.
3. While package names solves the ambiguity problem, no one desires the write package names over their program, and would very much prefer them to be in the import statements.
4. There should be a reason why a lot of people do it. And the sheer reason that a lot of people do it might be a reason to do it (conventions).

[waxen plinth]

Lol

[dusk flicker]

technically bukkit calls the main class that

[dense heath]

Really interested in seeing an example of a Spigot library being broken by this. Let's see it.

Read the end of my message and you'll have a substantially better argument lol

[paper viper]

and you

[modest shard]

i dont have a server folder

[hardy swan]

fk, didn't see pulsebeat already replied, typed too slow

[modest shard]

wait

nvm

wo

t

[paper viper]

it's okay lmao

[jolly inlet]

wtf?

[paper viper]

u reinforce the points

God damn bro. How hard is it to just not name your class Main? Why are you arguing over this. It's called Refactor -> Rename

🙂

[jolly inlet]

Just follow it and try to concentrate. If you have problems, FIRST TRY TO SOLVE THEM BY YOURSELF.

[modest shard]

i have

[dense heath]

I don't name my main classes Main lmao

[jolly inlet]

Then, does it work.

Have you really did anything said, including making a new project.

[modest shard]

u have to have a server to code plugins?

[paper viper]

well why is that then (there is a reason for it of course)

[hardy swan]

lightning struck

[jolly inlet]

Yeah.

[paper viper]

otherwise it wouldnt make sense that you are arguing that its fine to use

[modest shard]

br

[jolly inlet]

That is literally the external jar file.

[dense heath]

You're critiquing people over stupid shit, let a developer name their class Main if they want to. It doesn't matter.

[paper viper]

answer the question then

[dense heath]

Which?

[modest shard]

gone

[paper viper]

#help-development message

[jolly inlet]

The problem?

[modest shard]

why do u need to make a spigot server to make plugins

[dense heath]

"[...] it is Java convention to name classes accordingly with their super classes, except in case of the Object super class. Following this logic, main classes--which always extend JavaPlugin--should be MyPluginNamePlugin so that it matches the official convention advertised by Oracle."

[jolly inlet]

Because you need the jar file to use it as an external file.

[modest shard]

isnt that

[wet breach]

lol

[jolly inlet]

Yeah, it is.

[paper viper]

But that doesn't that just contradict all the other points you make anyways?

Lol

[modest shard]

then whats this

[young knoll]

Thats a server

[jolly inlet]

That is your sever.

[modest shard]

thats from a video

[hardy swan]

I think the argument is over, and the conclusion is: try not to name your plugin class Main >:'D

[modest shard]

if u cant tell

[jolly inlet]

You need to put that jar file in external library.

[modest shard]

wot

[jolly inlet]

Delete any server, set up one and put that UNIQUE jar file in external library.

[modest shard]

isnt that wht that is

[jolly inlet]

Please, I am close to raging richt now.

[jolly inlet]

Follow my instructions.

[dense heath]

Yup. I'm much later in the developer lifecycle than most of the people you're harassing for naming their main classes Main. I don't name my classes Main, but that doesn't mean I think it is an atrocious crime that others do. Stop being an asshole to new developers about something extremely benign

[modest shard]

i dont have any servers

just that file

[paper viper]

"harassing"?

What lmao?

[jolly inlet]

????

Is that serious??

[young knoll]

That's the boostrap jar

[jolly inlet]

Do you mean that serious?

[young knoll]

That one won't work

[jolly inlet]

Yeah!!!!!

You have to setup your sevrer first.

[young knoll]

No

[modest shard]

ok then

[dense heath]

If you made a thread just to link it to people with your own fluffed up opinion because you have to tell it to that many people, you're harassing without a doubt.

[young knoll]

You have to use the right one from buildtools

[modest shard]

whyd it take so long to realize that

it was the bootstrap

[jolly inlet]

Just double click on that file

That will make a server.

[young knoll]

"The main spigot-1.18.jar is now a bootstrap jar which contains all libraries. You cannot directly depend on this jar. You should depend on Spigot/Spigot-API/target/spigot-api-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-shaded.jar (download), or the entire contents of the bundler directory from your server, or use a dependency manager such as Maven or Gradle to handle this automatically."

[paper viper]

its not an opinion if there are facts in the argument...?

[dense heath]

Highlight your facts in your article.

[vagrant stratus]

Naming a plugin class Main is dumb af

if two plugins have the same main path, one or both will not load

[jolly inlet]

Can you use: java spigot-1.18.jar?

[dense heath]

Factually incorrect

[young knoll]

No it's isn't

[vagrant stratus]

Have you tried it?

[modest shard]

yes i double clicked to run and that was the error messag

[dense heath]

Yes

[young knoll]

But that world require identical packages too

Which is unlikely

[dusk flicker]

its java -jar spigot-1.18.jar

[dense heath]

In fact, I am so confident that I am correct that I am willing to put my money where my mouth is right now

[jolly inlet]

Yes.

[dense heath]

I'll throw down $20 on this.

[paper viper]

Application vs. Mod. This is definately a fact lmao

Uniqueness - how is this not a fact lmfao? Can you even argue against this?

Redempt's point too, definatly a fact as well because it's ambigous.

Most popular and famous plugins made by developers do not use Main.

is this not a fact

Lol

[jolly inlet]

@tight sluice You basically did anything possable wrong.

[dusk flicker]

the plugins both might LOAD, but the code def wont work from both plugins

[dense heath]

Now this is factually correct.

[vagrant stratus]

Either way Main as a plugin main class is dumb as fuck.
You're better off naming the class that extends JavaPlugin after the name of the plugin, e.g. If it was called Enchants it would be com.example.Enchants

[young knoll]

Well duh

[dense heath]

Any individuals taking this bet?

[young knoll]

Class names should be descriptive

[jolly inlet]

@modest shard Reinstall java and watch a lot of tutorials.

[hardy swan]

lol

[modest shard]

im watching rn

[paper viper]

for people who are dumbasses, yes

[modest shard]

😦

[dense heath]

You could just say you want to bet, jeez

[paper viper]

cause they already know its a dumbass move to name it that anyways

Lol

[jolly inlet]

You need a java sdk, not only a jre... @modest shard

[vagrant stratus]

Personally if I were to do a server or hire devs, I definitely wouldn't hire anyone who names their plugins main class Main

[dense heath]

As is your God-given right.

[modest shard]

this thing

or no

[jolly inlet]

Search for a tutorial installing java...

[dusk flicker]

wait md gives the rights to name your plugin class Main?

didnt know that

[paper viper]

I'm definitely very picky, but Main should be one of the first things you learn because its what you shouldnt name your main class name

[jolly inlet]

Please stop being a help vampire as @waxen plinth said.

[dusk flicker]

the hell is a help vampire

here I come google

[vagrant stratus]

of course, but that's for any class that has public static void main(String[] args){}

[wet breach]

There are edge cases in where if the Main class in an API is simply called Main and causing some breakage to where you have to use the fully qualified path to the class in question. This can happen when say you are interfacing with NMS stuff where the main server class happens to be called Main and if you have an API where their main class is also called Main, you couldn't use Main as the Object unless you differentiate in the body of the class which Main you are actually referring to.

[dusk flicker]

LOL HELP VAMPIRE IS THE BEST DEFINATION IVE EVER SEEN

[jolly inlet]

Basically stop asking and just follow along all tutorials and do clean reinstalls.

[paper viper]

guys this is the pinnacle of spigot discord

[modest shard]

i am

[paper viper]

20 conversations going on at once

[vagrant stratus]

Threads are a thing though 😉

[hardy swan]

I have today expanded on my vocabulary

[paper viper]

But sadly people are lazy

[dusk flicker]

threads suck tho

[paper viper]

Lol

[jolly inlet]

Nice one.

[dusk flicker]

we want EVERYONE of the few thousand members to see the stupid shit we talk about in here

[jolly inlet]

I am so close to raging...

[paper viper]

just take a break tbh

[wet breach]

they mostly confuse me due to how its implemented

[dusk flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[dense heath]

As long as the compiler knows which class you're talking about, you're good. Once your code gets compiled into a class file, all of the references to methods and fields are backed in the constant pool by the name and type cp entry which specifies the full class name of what you're referencing lmao

[jolly inlet]

It is like explaining a children how to run because it says that it can already walk but it doesn't.

That's literally the best reference.

[paper viper]

Yea thats why you gotta chill

remember that you are helping other people

if u need time for yourself, take the time you need

[wet breach]

doesn't change the fact that you would have to drop down to fully qualified names for the Objects in the body of the class, and unfortunately your IDE will probably not know which Main you actually wanted and will let it happen without erroring and when you run it, you end up with problems because you are using the wrong Main in places when you wanted the other Main

[paper viper]

sometimes you have to focus on yourself rather than others

[jolly inlet]

It's like 5 am in the morning, what am I supposed to do xd

[jolly inlet]

A wise man.

[paper viper]

🛌

[dense heath]

Factually incorrect on so many different levels.

[vagrant stratus]

How so?

[wet breach]

care to show an example?

[dense heath]

Let's get in a call to sort this out. These guys are actually trying to help some people lmao

[dusk flicker]

what are you a master Java developer with 10 years of experience?

[dense heath]

Actually, yes.

[vagrant stratus]

Unlikely

[dusk flicker]

send a resume then

[jolly inlet]

People, listen....

[hardy swan]

honestly, I would very much say that the only responsibility of Main is to run main(String[] args)....

[dense heath]

Hop in the call and I'm happy to share

[wet breach]

I have 24 years of experience with Java 😄

[dense heath]

Gaming!

[vagrant stratus]

Tell that to mojang lol

[dusk flicker]

Im good to not hop in a call

[modest shard]

how do u change this to batch file

i did what the person in the tutorial do\id but it didnt turn to batch instead its still a text file

[jolly inlet]

You need to go on windows and let you expand the file endings.

Then change .txt to .bat

[wet breach]

Due to your experience I am assuming you know what I mean by fully qualified objects are?

[jolly inlet]

You are jow changing only the name @modest shard

[dense heath]

This guy thinks I don't know what a fully qualified name is when he can't even tell me what a name and type constant pool entry is

[dusk flicker]

see thats called deflecting

its what happends when you dont know the answer to something

[jolly inlet]

People, stop arguing. The answer is simple...

[modest shard]

yes but idk how to make the file endings show

[wet breach]

its 42 we know >>

[dense heath]

If you knew what a name and type constant pool entry was then you would know that I knew what a fully qualified class name is

[jolly inlet]

Search for it and stop asking here.

[modest shard]

ok

wait

[hardy swan]

what did mojang do lol

[dusk flicker]

mojang... did mojang

[wet breach]

even experienced people don't know everything

[craggy plover]

Is it possible to do a multiple bungee setup?

[dusk flicker]

#help-server

[echo basalt]

Bit hacky but ye

[dense heath]

This is called deflecting

[vagrant stratus]

It's call the truth lol

[dense heath]

They aren't mutually exclusive

[vagrant stratus]

I touch ASM like crazy, doesn't mean I know everything about it though

[dense heath]

ASM abstracts a ton of shit about the class file away from the developer

[wet breach]

I am saying it isn't so much I think you don't know, just I don't assume everyone knows everything and thus like to verify.

[echo basalt]

I wonder if I can fake plugin messages if I make an extra proxy and connect to someone else's server 🤔

[vagrant stratus]

Depends, I touch bytecode a lot too with what I do if that helps 😉

[dusk flicker]

you just put another servers ip in the servers section

as long as its offline mode you good

[wet breach]

you probably could since it requires a player connection

[dense heath]

I modify plugins compiled plugins with hex editors lmao

[wet breach]

I mean, clients can fake inventory names to gain access to inventories 😛

[hardy swan]

everytime I see discord says "several people typing..." I think of those typing seeing the names of other people typing and i start thinking of the blue eye problem

[vagrant stratus]

#Doubt

[wet breach]

one of the main reasons you shouldn't rely on inventory name to verify if its the correct inventory

[lavish hemlock]

that just sounds masochistic

what is the fun in that

[dense heath]

Pop in right now and I will

[lavish hemlock]

why is that impressive

[echo basalt]

I mean like

[dense heath]

Gotta nop out the DRM

[lavish hemlock]

what

[wet breach]

basically stealing

[echo basalt]

Some plugins use plugin messaging to communicate important data to proxies

[dense heath]

NOP, the first bytecode instruction.

[dense heath]

Factually incorrect.

[jolly inlet]

@dense heath @wet breach Okay, guys. It doesn't matter how you name then, it only helps to understand more likely what they are doing. A main named file should contain like the main stuff, etc. And because you have like a lot of folders and so, you wouldn't have like the problem of having two lapping "Main.java" files. Soo.. It is only a matter of decision...

[echo basalt]

I can listen into all data, analyze it and compromise a server

Sounds like a big risk in bungee

[dusk flicker]

thats why good devs dont use PMCs

[quaint mantle]

this?

😂

[modest shard]

ive searched for this already but how do i give the build tools more memory

[dusk flicker]

plugin messaging channels

lmao

[echo basalt]

Xmx

[lavish hemlock]

I will defend my copyright using LETHAL FORCE.

[modest shard]

how to use xmx

[dusk flicker]

?google

[undone axle]

Google your question before asking it:
https://www.google.com/

[quaint mantle]

what is this bruh

[jolly inlet]

It is only a matter of convention and how accuratd you wanna represent your classes @wet breach @dense heath

[echo basalt]

Java -xmx5G -jar...

[dusk flicker]

sooo yall how high are we tonight

[quaint mantle]

this lol

[wet breach]

I described the biggest reason for it and it has to do with you can't use two Objects of the same type but are actually different without using the fully qualified name of said object

[quaint mantle]

least intimidating military services ive ever seen

[dense heath]

Good devs sign their messages cryptographically lmao

[echo basalt]

Your pfp is more intimidating than those guys

[dusk flicker]

good devs just dont use PMCs

and use something like redis pub/sub

[quaint mantle]

i will turn you into a convertable

[dusk flicker]

LMAO

[dense heath]

Real Redis hours

[modest shard]

i am very much lost

[echo basalt]

Binary pubsub because the string one sucks

[quaint mantle]

yeah, good devs use LMC, lego military company

[jolly inlet]

Stop arguing though, there is no real answer although you are really seeming to get one.

[dense heath]

This guy doesn't know how to use two different classes named the same thing lmao

[jolly inlet]

xd

[wet breach]

show me you using 2 objects named the same in the same class without using fully qualified object paths 🙂

and both objects not being the same 😛

[jolly inlet]

Love you and Joe.

[lavish hemlock]

I mean there's a reason why classes like Collections typically require libs to use names like MoreCollections or Collections2

[modest shard]

but how 😦

[dense heath]

Fully qualified class names.

[lavish hemlock]

You cannot import two classes of the same simple name in the same source file.

[wet breach]

same difference, we both know what is being referred to

[dense heath]

Objects and classes are very different.

[echo basalt]

Who's joe?

[vagrant stratus]

classes extend Object lol

Classes are objects

[quaint mantle]

classes are blueprints of objects

[jolly inlet]

Joe Ligma.

[quaint mantle]

?learnjava the last link said that

[undone axle]

Here are some links to get you started on learning Java:

• https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
• https://www.sololearn.com/learning/1068
• https://www.learnjavaonline.org/
• https://programmingbydoing.com/
• https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html

The last one is the only official one, however some of those concepts assume that you already know a bit about programming.

[dense heath]

Not necessarily

[dusk flicker]

someone is fast typing

or did that just randomly appear

[hasty prawn]

RPG said it

[echo basalt]

Man googled it

[quaint mantle]

objects are created from classes

[jolly inlet]

Joe ligma balls. Wtf.

[quaint mantle]

classes != objects

[dusk flicker]

good chance im just wayyy too tired at this point to think straight

[quaint mantle]

classes are a blueprint

[hasty prawn]

It confused me for a solid 10 seconds too dw

[quaint mantle]

objects contain functionality

[echo basalt]

The Class<?> can be an object

[wet breach]

we both know what I was referring to. Not sure why you are so big on being hyper technical about the wording? You very well understand what it is I have requested.

[quaint mantle]

the class Class can be an object

which is weird

[echo basalt]

What if its static

[dense heath]

Only inner classes are static lmao

[quaint mantle]

static is just objects without reference

[echo basalt]

Hm

[quaint mantle]

STOP DONT SCARED ME WITH THAT CAR

STOP

STOP

STOP

CHANGE IT NOW

[vagrant stratus]

Any class can be static lol

[dusk flicker]

what

[dusk flicker]

oh

[jolly inlet]

I honestly love it.

[dusk flicker]

that

[quaint mantle]

NOOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vagrant stratus]

Bukkit is static and not an inner class 😉

[jolly inlet]

dababy...

[quaint mantle]

WHY WOULD YOU LOVE TO SCARED ME

I JUST WAKE UP MY GRANDPA LOL

DONT DO THAT AGIAN

[dusk flicker]

lmao

[dense heath]

Implicitly, but not explicitly.

[quaint mantle]

DONT YOU DARE

[vagrant stratus]

just slap static as a modifier and you're good to go

[quaint mantle]

WHY WOULD YOU LOVE TO SCREAM OVER TEXT

[dusk flicker]

Snow isnt it literally like 10am for you?

[dense heath]

Pretty sure you can't do that on outer classes :thonk:

[vagrant stratus]

You....can?

[quaint mantle]

well, kinda, but my grandpa is just too tired

[wet breach]

you can make almost anything static

[dusk flicker]

fair enough

ive slept to like 1pm before

[echo basalt]

Why are we arguing about static

[quaint mantle]

me too bro

[dense heath]

public static class MyClass {}

[echo basalt]

It's 4:20am ffs

[dense heath]

That's not valid.

It must be an inner class to become static.

[jolly inlet]

5:22 am..

[dusk flicker]

11:22 pm for me

[echo basalt]

Beginners be like

[wet breach]

unless its the Main class in which case it is static 😄

[dusk flicker]

me and Snow literally are like 12 hours different in timezones yet we work on the same project lol

[dense heath]

Compile an outer class right now that is static.

A static method and a static class are different.

Simply because a method is static does not make the class static.

[wet breach]

oh so your Main class just magically disappears then?

[echo basalt]

Gets garbage collected lmao

[wet breach]

Main class is static unless we are dealing with some kind of library or API lol

[dense heath]

Outer classes cannot be static.

[lavish hemlock]

The main class is not static lmao

[quaint mantle]

outer classes cant be static

[dense heath]

It is impossible for an outer class to be static.

[quaint mantle]

well i mean i give you the access to it but i still havent really know what you can do for it lol, the project scripts are just too stable for someone to improve it

[lavish hemlock]

The static modifier only applies to inner classes, methods, and fields.

[vagrant stratus]

Main class is called within native code

[lavish hemlock]

And refers to whether or not an inner class can be instantiated independently of its enclosing class.

[dusk flicker]

oh JUST WAIT

I will show you how stable those scripts are

[quaint mantle]

hoho

[quaint mantle]

yall still working on that server

[dusk flicker]

not really

[lavish hemlock]

This also does not make sense

[dusk flicker]

work has been a big factor

[jolly inlet]

Do you guys think there would later be a new type of anti discrimation TikTok wave towards programming name conventions like 'MyClass'?

[quaint mantle]

?wyvern

[dusk flicker]

fuck tiktok

[lavish hemlock]

lmao I would not be surprised

[quaint mantle]

tiktok = donkey balls

me use tiktok kids bro

*youtube

wow everyone just die after tiktok kids

[wet breach]

I know it is called within native code, however due to how the JVM works, Main class that is designated that contains the main method effectively becomes static.

[lavish hemlock]

Here's a solution to that

[wet breach]

whether or not your IDE or compiler lets you put the static identifier or not is independent to how the JVM runs

[lavish hemlock]

One that I fancy

[quaint mantle]

maybe after i done the contributing and credit file, we can start to pushing patches

[lavish hemlock]

public class Main {
    private Main() {}

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        new Main().run(args);
    }

    private void run(String[] args) {
        // ...
    }
}

Class ain't static no more.

[wet breach]

the class is also not going to go away either

[quaint mantle]

Noice

[vagrant stratus]

as for static, a bit of research

In Java, the static keyword typically flags a method or field as existing not once per instance of a class, but once ever. A class exists once anyway so in effect, all classes are "static" in this way and all objects are instances of classes.

static does have a meaning for inner classes, which is entirely different: Usually an inner class instance can access the members of an outer class instance that it's tied to, but if the inner class is static, it does not have such a reference and can be instantiated without an instance of the outer class. Maybe you saw that someplace, then tried to use it on a top-level class, where it isn't meaningful.

Or maybe you saw it in other languages like C#, whose syntax is an awful lot like Java's.

(One time I couldn't figure out why an outer class instance wasn't being garbage-collected -- it was because I was keeping a reference to one of its inner class instances elsewhere, and the inner class was not static and so had a reference to the outer class instance. So by default, I make inner classes static now.)

[quaint mantle]

i like that

good job maow

[wet breach]

see 🙂

[lavish hemlock]

I take issue with using the term "static" for this because of how it's already a term in the language.

[quaint mantle]

static = existing once globally

[lavish hemlock]

And in fact

Classes are not technically always static

Considering how classloading works

And how some classloaders can't really be considered as "global"

[wet breach]

well there is technically only one global one

[lavish hemlock]

That was a bad way to phrase it uhh

I'm pretty sure you're able to load the same class across two different classloaders

PluginClassLoader has something like that in its docs soo

[gentle oriole]

/give triggers PlayerDropItemEvent...

[quaint mantle]

thats dumb

[dusk flicker]

give is a horrible command

lmao

[lavish hemlock]

A ClassLoader for plugins, to allow shared classes across multiple plugins

[wet breach]

I will research this more specifically, but I am pretty sure you can't. Or if you can, they are technically not on the same class path

[gentle oriole]

yes but I think it wasnt intentional

[wet breach]

since there is a hierarchy to the class path stuff

[lavish hemlock]

But yeah I'd argue "global" means that something can be accessed globally, not just that it exists globally.

[vagrant stratus]

For variables, it's not "once ever", but once per Class. Since a Class can loaded multiple by different class loaders, it's statics can exists multiple, though in separate namespaces. 

For variables at least, wouldn't be surprised if it's similar for classes too

so ig each classloader would have its own "static" classes 🤷‍♂️

[gentle oriole]

my plugins kills players when they drop items.

[wet breach]

that is an interesting feature

[lavish hemlock]

And there is actually one form of class that can't just be accessed through that classloader's findClass or whatever

[jolly inlet]

I see the problem.

[lavish hemlock]

Lemme find the method

[quaint mantle]

record are classes, wonder if i need to use static on it in inner class?

no

[jolly inlet]

But can't you check like if they really dropped it through out the inventory?

[quaint mantle]

records are @Data but made in primitive java

wats dat

so like

[gentle oriole]

actually it finds a way to kill players in any way, whether player forgot to eat, or to ate too much.

[gentle oriole]

they couldve dropped it in crafting table or smth

[paper viper]

@Data is a Lombok annotation

[gentle oriole]

not take them out in the crafting table and press q

[jolly inlet]

But then they dropped it.

[quaint mantle]

record Person(String name, int age) {
}

Person person = new Person("Bob", 5);

System.out.println(person.name());
System.out.println(person.age());

@quaint mantle

[gentle oriole]

hmm

@jolly inlet you mean if player dropped item, check if item is in inventory?

[quaint mantle]

so?

[quaint mantle]

?

you cant modify variables in records

oh

final

yes they are final by default

and you cant declare new ones

[jolly inlet]

Yeah.

[gentle oriole]

so what if they have more than 1 amount of that item in the inventory?

[jolly inlet]

So, like Crafting tables wouldn't be counting.

[lavish hemlock]

https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/16/docs/api/java.base/java/lang/invoke/MethodHandles.Lookup.html#defineHiddenClass(byte[],boolean,java.lang.invoke.MethodHandles.Lookup.ClassOption...)

^ hidden classes

[quaint mantle]

so uhh what do you mean by that... heh?

[lavish hemlock]

These cannot be accessed globally or in any way, really.

Here's the JEP for them https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/371

[jolly inlet]

I don't see the problem yet.

[gentle oriole]

for example if player has 2 steak in inventory, what if player only dropped one?

[jolly inlet]

Then you check if it came out of the inventory and you kill the player.

[gentle oriole]

?

[jolly inlet]

You want to kill the player when he drops any item.

[wet breach]

That is a relatively new thing though

but that is correct

[lavish hemlock]

Technically they're not new

They've existed for a while as part of Unsafe

via the Unsafe::defineAnonymousClass method

but they've been factoring out Unsafe-only calls like those

(that's why we have foreign memory now, bc it replaces all the Unsafe#putInt or whatever stuff)

[quaint mantle]

but what are you trying to say to me?

[wet breach]

lol, I know about the unsafe ones, I meant the JEP you are referring to

[quaint mantle]

i dont get why you say that

[lavish hemlock]

Ah fair

[quaint mantle]

i thought you were wondering what records were

[wet breach]

they been slowly removing the unsafe ones anyways

[lavish hemlock]

Did you know you can essentially have a dynamic ldc instruction through MethodHandles.Lookup::findClass?

[quaint mantle]

😐

lol

[wet breach]

the ones that are still left, don't think are going to be easy to replace

[quaint mantle]

well theres some knowledge for u

not bad to learn something

[quaint mantle]

yea, i didnt actually know we cant change the parameters lol

but then, inner record are classes anyways, so do it need to be static

[wet breach]

what I do need to do though for Java especially with the release of 17, is go through the code to see what new things there are

[quaint mantle]

lets get this example

public blockUtil {
    private static class IntBounds {
      private final int min;
      private final int max;
        public IntBounds(int min, int max) {
          // codes there
        }

        public String toString() {
            return "IntBounds{min=" + this.min + ", max=" + this.max + '}';
        }
    }
}```
this is an inner class that i can change to a record

[vagrant stratus]

same here, I could probably improve something like my Anti-Malware a lot lol

[quaint mantle]

then when i change to the record, would it still be static or not

public blockUtil {
    private staticOrNot? record IntBounds(int min, int max) {
        public String toString() {
            return "IntBounds{min=" + this.min + ", max=" + this.max + '}';
        }
    }
}```

[wet breach]

Yeah been lacking on keeping up with changes on the JVM. And who knows there could be some hidden thing in there that no one knows about 😛

[vagrant stratus]

True true :p

If I ever get around to the JDK fork on mine properly, I'd probably add/change/remove stuff as well lol

Thinking about forking the vanilla server to for the memez

[wet breach]

lol

just because everyone else probably has?

[vagrant stratus]

vanilla

not paper/spigot, vanilla

[quaint mantle]

ye

[wet breach]

I know. many people have done it

or wanted to

[vagrant stratus]

A lot of massive changes just aren't possible under the current changes lol

[wet breach]

they start and then never finish, think every dev ends up with a forked vanilla at some point 😂

[vagrant stratus]

I'll probably wait until some current projects are finished before I do something that massive though

[young knoll]

I still want configurable piston push limit

But I'm lazy

[wet breach]

first it starts with forking spigot or some other related project and then realizing or getting too ambitious and looking at that vanilla server

going like, you know what would be better is if it was just in the vanilla code

[vagrant stratus]

In my case I just need something to do lol

[wet breach]

the issue with forking vanilla is by the time you get it all fixed up

and working to compile, a new release has came out

[young knoll]

That's why I'll probably stick with spigot PRs

[vagrant stratus]

Well, luckily from what I can tell updating to a new release for me wouldn't be toooo difficult

[quaint mantle]

yeah but dont make massive patches, because that would cause lot of issues lol

[vagrant stratus]

I could also do 1.18.1 then insta jump to whatever's out when I'm done lol

[quaint mantle]

im now stick to 1.16.5 only so i dont really mind seperate patches for every classes

[young knoll]

Ya think MD would go for configurable piston pushing, or moveable tile entities

[vagrant stratus]

That's why I'm re-doing my paper fork, it would of been one massive patch instead of a bunch of smaller ones lol

[quaint mantle]

i put them in a massive patch file then call them stage of classes

[young knoll]

Or is that too far from vanilla for spigot

[vagrant stratus]

I'm not even sure the client would be able to handle it lol

[wet breach]

you will need to elaborate for me

[vagrant stratus]

are there even any moveable tile entities in java?

[quaint mantle]

why people like latest version :heh:

1.16.5 da best

no upgrading

[wet breach]

I am still not sure what configurable piston pushing is. I know what is probably being referred to for moveable tile entities

[quaint mantle]

like instead of pusing the block, it push itself backwards.

[jolly inlet]

What do you guys think about Design Patterns?

[quaint mantle]

configurable piston!

[vagrant stratus]

This is why I upgraded myself lol

[wet breach]

that seems like something to request from Mojang because it would make sense this would be a block of its own

[hardy swan]

Which design pattern?

[young knoll]

How so?

[quaint mantle]

ya dont like 1.16.5??11?!1

i thought ya cant even join 1.17+?

oh you gonna buy a new pc

ah yes thats why you change

[vagrant stratus]

as for spigot, I just use via lol

[jolly inlet]

In general, about them. Do you use them, etc.?

[quaint mantle]

so you use 1.18 server then use viabackwards? wait that actually a good idea ngl

i havent seen the new generation

[hardy swan]

I dun think I would sit down and design a plugin with a list of design pattern by my side.

[young knoll]

Configurable push limit, vanilla is locked at 12

[quaint mantle]

i can make better terrain than the generation, but i wanna see their work

[young knoll]

By nature, no

[quaint mantle]

oh blocks?

[young knoll]

mhm

[hardy swan]

I think it is a matter of coming across something similar that i could use

That reminds me of

[jolly inlet]

But do you have iterating steps for refactoring and cleaning software?

[wet breach]

I can understand there for being a limit. I could see it possibly being something in Spigot if you are allowed to change the limit within a sane range

[quaint mantle]

not that much

[young knoll]

I mean

[quaint mantle]

even less

[young knoll]

Keeping a sane range is down to the user

[vagrant stratus]

Integer.MAX_VALUE push limit

lets goooo

[hardy swan]

I generally just go with experience about how i think the software should be structured lol

[wet breach]

Lol I can totally see servers crashing from this trying to load literally all the chunks to MC's boundary limit XD

[shy forge]

Sorry to jump in: Anyone know if TabCompleter forces alphabetical order? Mine is but I don't like that

[modest shard]

my craftbukkit is gone?