help-development

[thorn isle]

i will die from old age before we get value types while other languages have had it since the 80s

[chrome beacon]

Project Valhalla is on track for Java 28 I believe

so it's not that far off

[thorn isle]

and when my great-great-great grandchildren do get value types, the type system will be lacklustre and half baked just like generics

[cold bobcat]

OK so to wrap up my initial request, installing the actual openJDK JDK (not just JRE) seems to have done the trick. thanks gang!!!

please feel absolutely free continue smack-talk on oracle and/or java

[ivory sleet]

We even almost got string templates D:

[thorn isle]

"oops it was bad nevermind let's try again in 10 more years"

[cold bobcat]

Total Time: 2 minutes 29 seconds

Success! Everything completed successfully. Copying final .jar files now.
Copying spigot-1.21.11-R0.2-SNAPSHOT-bootstrap.jar to /home/pingu/spigot-buildtools/spigot-1.21.11.jar
  - Saved as ./spigot-1.21.11.jar

✨

[cold bobcat]

wait did that not make it in in the end

I seem to remember being disgusted by the proposed syntax

[mortal vortex]

ooo python recently got template strings. Looks so cool

[thorn isle]

all the other languages get the cool things

[cold bobcat]

but java backcompat is one helluva requirement I bet

even JS has template strings lol

[thorn isle]

meanwhile all java gets is "removed even more things from unsafe, vol 24"

[chrome beacon]

yeah it's the fist and only preview that got removed

[cold bobcat]

RIP

[thorn isle]

enjoy your 5x slower varhandles plebeians

[ivory sleet]

ye preview iterations take forever sadly

[wet breach]

not sure why they are obsessed with removing stuff from unsafe lol

in fact, it would be nice if they would replace the stuff first before removing >>

[ivory sleet]

yea thats true

ig they might have tech debt, where they cant keep the old stuff to coexist with the new stuff coming, just a speculation

[wet breach]

most of unsafe uses natives directly

[thorn isle]

i think it's mostly about stability for mission critical systems

they don't want their language to be the one where the hospital infra implodes because someone did a native memory with unsafe

goes into the same bucket as them removing reflective access to jdk classes

[wet breach]

not sure if embedded java allows such things

[ivory sleet]

for example a final mean final JEP is contradictory if unsafe would still exist, tho iirc the current jep was just a preparation

[sly topaz]

flexible method bodies in shambles

[thorn isle]

which, i mean, i get it; you want it to be stable, but at the same time, i'm not a hospital and i would like to be able to do things

[wet breach]

makes sense, especially when you consider that embedded java doesn't have everything from normal java to begin with

[chrome beacon]

hm? flexible method bodies?

I only know of the flexible constructor bodies

[thorn isle]

i think that was the one where you could define a method by replacing its body with a lambda or a method reference

[ivory sleet]

think they meant that olivo

[cold bobcat]

I had to deal with native library extensions in a react native project for android once. that was a pretty unique fresh hell

[thorn isle]

https://openjdk.org/jeps/8209434

or no that was concise method bodies

[sly topaz]

it was concise method bodies the one I was thinking about, just mixed them up in my memory

[chrome beacon]

Did that ever make preview

Linked JEP only says Draft

[thorn isle]

god knows

the syntax looks cursed

[sly topaz]

I thought it made preview, but it doesn't seem like it ever did. Just a lot of fuss on reddit

[thorn isle]

what i really do want is the record with'ers

such a simple feature and yet it's taking forever

[sly topaz]

the syntax for that one was rough tho

[ivory sleet]

getting the structured concurrency api would be nice also

[thorn isle]

eh i think the syntax was okay-ish

[sly topaz]

hey, we at least got stable values in jdk 25/26

err, lazy constants now

[thorn isle]

i'm pretty happy with virtual threads

it's the one thing that i'd like to keep since java 9 if i had to choose

or well

[ivory sleet]

there were some pinning issues w it early on, but yea its nice

[sly topaz]

I liked the previous stable values, because it allowed me to define a constant without having to compute it 😔 . It would've been nice for JavaPlugin singletons which I don't compute myself

[thorn isle]

i will be happy with them once they fix the synchronized mounting issue

[ivory sleet]

wasnt that also just preview?

[thorn isle]

which is in i think 25

[cold bobcat]

a good long-term dev friend of mine has always described C# as "java with 8 years of hindsight" and that hit pretty hard / has rung pretty true for me

[sly topaz]

yeah but it is most likely going to stay

it isn't a crazy feature to have, no syntax changes either

[sly topaz]

C# is java without someone ever saying no to any feature

[ivory sleet]

i mean the only thing that really strikes me as modern java that is delivered is records, switch expressions, sealed, virtual threads and the whole gen zgc (at least to me those are most memorable)

[thorn isle]

oh yes, sealed interfaces are quite nice

[sly topaz]

records are going to be annoying in the future, they kinda rushed that one

[thorn isle]

especially in conjunction with the new switch; it's basically enums but not cancer

[sly topaz]

just waiting for value classes to be able to have my Result type

[thorn isle]

honestly for all the hell i raise about value types, i think they maybe should look into improving the jit, escape analysis, and inlining, and doing better scalarization on the jit level instead

[ivory sleet]

true, but they have some other issues with fully reified generics, no type erasure, javas type erasure is beneficial for other langs on the jvm

iirc C# suffers from function coloring w its async await and but ig structs w stack allocation and null safety is nice enough to make C# arguably superior

[thorn isle]

we already sort of have value types, at least in performance terms, in that after escape analysis, your Result is going to get scalarized to like an Exception and a Object refs on the stack

it's just that it's incredibly fragile because the Result must not escape the inlined call stack, so if you e.g. pass it to a bunch of other methods afterward, you easily break it

[sly topaz]

I wish it was that simple, it just ends up with a lot of young gen churn last time I tried it

[thorn isle]

it's fragile but it does happen and does work

there are many gotcha's though

[cold bobcat]

LINQ alone made me stay with C# for ages

its pretty nice

[thorn isle]

and it's kind of something you need to verify with a benchmark and then analyze the c1/c2 produced by the jit afterward

[sly topaz]

I never understood the fuss about LINQ, C# people swear it is the most amazing thing

that being said, only time I've ever touched C# was when doing Unity and that was ages ago

[thorn isle]

i moderately dislike linq

not enough parentheses

[ivory sleet]

I do find LINQ kinda mid, its kinda just like a lot of function calls but u omit the parenthesis

syntax sugar ig

[thorn isle]

it's builders/method chaining for people who spend 80% of their time working with databases

[sly topaz]

I do think it is nice you can make whatever objects compatible with it and (ab)use of the syntax in very colorful ways

[cold bobcat]

I guess it's less the SQL-style writing of LINQ than the .Select() / .Where() style that I like

[sly topaz]

like in Java, they just recently added Stream Gatherers which are horrible to work with, you don't have that experience when adapting LINQ syntax

[ivory sleet]

yea

[cold bobcat]

that and how it works with entity framework

linq-to-sql is wizard magic

[ivory sleet]

it does feel more or less made for that

[ivory sleet]

im not sure, but maybe they left that untouched to be tweaked through jvm flags for the consumer's needs? just a thought

[cold bobcat]

also the async / await in general is super nice

no await keyword in Java right?

man look at me here almost shilling for microsoft

what have i become

[sly topaz]

I mean, not like shilling for Oracle is any better lol

[sly topaz]

there isn't and probably will never be, Java prefers to expose these as API rather than adding syntax for it

[thorn isle]

the best we can do as the consumer is increase the max inlining instruction size, but that has diminishing returns and produces its own issues

[cold bobcat]

yeah understandable honestly

[thorn isle]

what i would like to see is some kind of escape analysis metadata added by the compiler to better inform the jit at runtime

[cold bobcat]

i found the python async await approach one of the more interesting approaches

[ivory sleet]

eh u got Future instead, but like the entire interrupted concept of java would complicate a simple await keyword

[thorn isle]

so you didn't need the entire call stack across the entire lifecycle of the object to be inlined to scalarize it

[cold bobcat]

in that the language specifies the keywords and so on but not what they get used for

which has led to different frameworks using them in different ways

main two seem to be asyncio and trio

[thorn isle]

that sounds very fun and simple to learn

[ivory sleet]

ah fair enough

[thorn isle]

though to be fair, for minecraft servers at least, increasing the max inlining size by about 20% reduces a ton of young gen gc churn

a lot of that churn comes from infinite fucking AABB's being allocated and resized for every entity and block and a billion other things every tick

[cold bobcat]

reminds me a bit of asking chatgpt for a scala sample project using an AWS API and it had to include this glue between the scala async APIs and the java ones >__>

[thorn isle]

and those call stacks are just like 20 instructions too large to fit into the default inlining size

[ivory sleet]

i see

thats interesting

[thorn isle]

either way all of that shit could be avoided with some escape analysis metadata; 3/4th of those calls are recursive constructor/factory calls that just add more parameters to the call and pass it along to another constructor

[ivory sleet]

thats true

[cold bobcat]

"one more factory layer would fix me"

[ivory sleet]

lol

[cold bobcat]

alright i need to go to bed but thanks for both the help and the chats

[ivory sleet]

cheers!

[thorn isle]

[ivory sleet]

this one? -XX:FreqInlineSize=

[thorn isle]

iirc there are several parameters, uh

-XX:MaxInlineLevel at least used to be a thing

which is in method calls

-XX:MaxInlineSize which is in bytes

looks like FreqInline is for hotter loops than MaxInline but behaves otherwise the same

[ivory sleet]

ooo

nice nice

[thorn isle]

either way, as with all jit things, you probably want to check whether it does what you want with debug or diagnostics

-XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+PrintInlining

there are also dedicated inspectors that show the resulting machine code but just printing what gets inlined is good enough

[ivory sleet]

oo, yea thats true

good call

[thorn isle]

this has irritated me to the point where i've thought about writing a java agent that'd asm the server classes with manual scalarization based on an external config or maybe annotations, but the churn is negligible enough with gzgc that it doesn't really warrant so much effort

[ivory sleet]

fair, I was curious about if this could impact much aside from already tweaking gzgc (I did it heuristically last time)

[thorn isle]

well yeah, generational gc's are made to churn

it still pisses me off, but there are more worthwhile places of optimization

[young knoll]

Like removing herobrine!

[craggy cove]

Hello hello, don't know if I'm supposed to post here or on the other help chat so as its related to build tool meh I'll do it here
So... I just downloaded the buildtool (.exe and .jar) and I got this error right on start

java.lang.RuntimeException: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL: https://hub.spigotmc.org/versions java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.encodeThrowable(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.completeThrowable(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture$AsyncRun.run(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture$AsyncRun.exec(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doExec(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool$WorkQueue.runTask(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.runWorker(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinWorkerThread.run(Unknown Source)

on cmd java -version give me this output

java version "25.0.1" 2025-10-21 LTS
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 25.0.1+8-LTS-27)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.0.1+8-LTS-27, mixed mode, sharing)

and going on https://hub.spigotmc.org/versions by hand send me on the good page

[chrome beacon]

Are you running BuildTools via the GUI?

[craggy cove]

Yep

[chrome beacon]

Could you give the cli a try

[craggy cove]

look like it's starting, for now ^^'

Well got my 1.21.11 build so I think it worked ? ty

[chrome beacon]

not sure why that seems to break when people run the GUI

[lilac dagger]

mine works as expected

[craggy cove]

any way to choose build version ?

[lilac dagger]

i think it's the jre

let me see

[craggy cove]

from cli I mean

[lilac dagger]

do you have the jdk java?

the version doesn't seem to say what you're running

[craggy cove]

got jre for sure but dont think so about anything else

[rotund ravine]

403

[lilac dagger]

make sure you download jdk to run buildtools

[craggy cove]

I got my build done, no longer any issue, what I wanted to know is that if I could choose spigot version who's build, here I got 1.21.11, but if I want like 1.20.X or soething else

[rotund ravine]

I do wonder if ur doing anything diff / using diff headers in the gui @chrome beacon

[chrome beacon]

--rev <version>

[chrome beacon]

yeah that's the only reason I can think of as well

but I haven't checked how that part works 🤷‍♂️

[coarse creek]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lilac dagger]

should be pretty easy

if there's no nms it should work without any change from you

[thorn isle]

there are a couple potion effect and attribute name changes i think

but nothing major

if it depends on item nbt, those parts need a full redesign because that no longer exists as a concept

[lilac dagger]

hmm true

[mortal vortex]

Anyone know what this is about and why it stays ontop of my screen and cant be minimizzed

[drowsy helm]

idk

[mortal vortex]

Thanks buby, I forgot the part where I directly pinged you and asked for help

silly me

[drowsy helm]

stop asking me idk

[mortal vortex]

daft cunt'

[drowsy helm]

by the looks of it, it just allows jetbrains IDEs to interact with kernel level events

[onyx fjord]

Critical update you should critically download it

[mortal vortex]

ZAYUMM

[onyx fjord]

Or critical things will happen to your operating system

Don't want it operatingn't do you

[mortal vortex]

must update it immediately

[onyx fjord]

Critically as well

Oh this is not general

[mortal vortex]

we do a little trolling everywhere

[buoyant viper]

do u have like Rider or CLion installed

i think either of those IDEs install it

[mortal vortex]

Nope never.

[buoyant viper]

yeah ur ratted then idk

[mortal vortex]

fuck

radsteve's jetbrains kotlin virus

[buoyant viper]

oh do u have ReSharper

thru VSCode or Visual Studio maybe

[mortal vortex]

OHH YEAH

[wide cipher]

Is there an easy way to get a github action to build my plugin with remapped mojang jars?

[rancid wolf]

Hey, I have a question. Does anyone know what might have happened to the Plugin Getcase? There's a box where you assign a key and it doesn't work. You don't have a key for this box.

[chrome beacon]

https://github.com/SpraxDev/Action-SpigotMC/

[sonic drift]

I have no idea about coding or anything like that but i need a very specific small thing as a plugin
Im not sure if this is hard to do even, but i want to make a sort of like ranking system as a plugin where you gain points for killing players and if a player kills you then you lose points
and the points are supposed to be shown next to your name as well
as in

Tobi [104]
For Example.
i found a mod that does exactly that but i dont want to have a modded server. ive already tried using Claude for help to turn the mod into a plugin aka replicating a plugin that does exactly what the mod does
and i got a folder now and i fail turning the folder into a .Jar file using IntelliJ IDEA

and now im kind of lost...

if it helps then i can send the mod and folder too

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/playerbounty

[thorn isle]

i'm fairly sure something very close to this does exist as a plugin

perhaps ask in #help-server as the people in that channel are more familiar with the assortment of plugins available out there

you can also try seaching for something like "spigot bounty" for bounty plugins

if you really do want to write it yourself, this channel can guide you with that but it probably won't happen overnight

[drowsy helm]

If you're willing to spend some money this would be a relatively easy plugin to hire someone to make

[thorn isle]

minus the "points shown by playername" bit (unless you use scoreboards for it) it might be easy enough to be vibecodeable

i'm sure cursor could do it

[ivory sleet]

vibecodeable
lmao

good grief thats a good word

[chrome beacon]

What happened to your pfp

[ivory sleet]

i kinda just cleared everything, kinda boycotting discord ig u could say, unsubbed nitro also :>

u inspired me slightly olivo

[chrome beacon]

👀

[mortal vortex]

yaoi waiting to happen

conclube x olivo

[ivory sleet]

naaa thats crazy

[chrome beacon]

💀

[mortal vortex]

ur gonna regret this when post nut clarity kicks in

after 2 weeks you lose your nitro streak badge

[ivory sleet]

maybe yea

[mortal vortex]

Even if you resubscribe your Ruby badge is gonna go bronze again brochacho

[ivory sleet]

well be that as it may, im not too fuzzed about it anymore as i dont spend so much time on discord these days

[thorn isle]

is it because of the age verification whatever thing

[mortal vortex]

Do you believe in recycling? and if so would you recycle your helper role onto me?

[thorn isle]

is it even live yet? i haven't even noticed anything so far

[ivory sleet]

tbh partly, but ive been considering this for a while

[mortal vortex]

yeah he wont be able to communicate with neon anymore so he's ditching the platform

[ivory sleet]

😭 what

[thorn isle]

at least your avatar is still orange

[ivory sleet]

well that isnt for me to decide, i think spigot is one of few places i still visit ^^

[mortal vortex]

yk my buddy jishuna woulda said yes straight away

thats how yk he's a real one

[thorn isle]

they say there's some kind of ai inference thing going on where they go through your message history to see if you're a squeaker or not

[ivory sleet]

lmao

[young knoll]

Yeah they’re apparently going to monitor your usage and ask you to reverify if they think you’re a kid

So no saying skibidi rizz fornite 67

[ivory sleet]

Yeah they’re apparently going to monitor your usage and ask you to reverify if they think you’re a kid
fuck thats cringe

[mortal vortex]

yeah i actually got that

[mortal vortex]

bruh i dont even say this shit anymore and im apparently a teen

[young knoll]

It’s not even out yet

Well, outside the UK

[mortal vortex]

oh it could be Australia's Teen Laws

[mortal vortex]

SEE THE SCREENSHOT

im getting ts

[wet breach]

bet you it doesn't determine anyone as an adult XD

[wide cipher]

When i try to run buildtools, i get this error java.lang.RuntimeException: java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL: https://hub.spigotmc.org/versions java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.encodeThrowable(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture.completeThrowable(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture$AsyncRun.run(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.CompletableFuture$AsyncRun.exec(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinTask.doExec(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool$WorkQueue.runTask(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinPool.runWorker(Unknown Source) java.util.concurrent.ForkJoinWorkerThread.run(Unknown Source)

[buoyant viper]

Tuff

[mortal vortex]

Are you using the GUI?

[wide cipher]

yes

[mortal vortex]

run it from the CLI, it might be a bit better.

[wide cipher]

how...

found it, will try now

works, thanks

[mortal vortex]

WELCOME

[wide cipher]

THANK YOU

[sullen marlin]

should be fixed

[sonic drift]

Hmm I’m really just asking for a friend but he has no idea of anything and sucks at asking questions 😭 😭

He wants it like that so when people chat or look at the tab playerlist then everyone is able to see the number

[sonic drift]

Yeahh it seems quite simple

[umbral ridge]

is it ok to block AsyncPlayerChatEvent with db calls?

eg.: join() from CompletableFuture

[chrome beacon]

Preferably not

as it can sometimes be fired sync

if a plugin forces a player to send a message for example

[umbral ridge]

ok

time for a cache impl!

[umbral ridge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bare-barren-Az1CJ2MEjmsp2

[lilac dagger]

if the async is because of the netty threads you can easily thread starve the thread pool

[sacred dagger]

I just started developping java can someone help please

[nocturne wing]

?learnjava

[undone axle]

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[sacred dagger]

I need human help and not some robot lessons

[humble tulip]

Help with what exactly then?

[sacred dagger]

I just started i wanna be dev for smp

[smoky anchor]

?ask

[undone axle]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

[smoky anchor]

yelling "help" here will not... help

also, "robot lessons" ?
read a book then

[humble tulip]

Can’t be an astrophysicist without learning basic math

Gotta learn the basics on your own and then try to make whatever you want. When you run into issues along the way, then you ask for help

[sacred dagger]

Got it

[umbral ridge]

how would you normally handle name changes? just use uuid as a primary key - and some sort of plugin in between that does these checks? checks if uuid in db is the same as the player that's joining, and check if name has changed, and then updates it in the db?

i store uuid as a primary key, and username as a backup in the 2nd field (I need it, as a backup, if player is offline, for voting and stuff)

seems dumb because that would be one tiny tiny plugin, that would do just that... how would i even call such plugin... and i can't integrate it into any of my existing plugins... Permissions... Database... None of these really handle anything like that..

Database handles low level operations and db procedures... Permissions is an api, 2nd layer above the Database

3rd layer are actual plugins, not api anymore

[humble tulip]

UUID , Name, LastLogin table

UUID as primary

[umbral ridge]

why would I need LastLogin?

[humble tulip]

For really rare edge case

If I login as minion325

Then log out and change my name

30 days later someone takes my name and logs in

[umbral ridge]

Oh also. I have though about that and if you change your name while being online?

[humble tulip]

There’s 2 name entries with my name

[umbral ridge]

alright

[humble tulip]

It won’t apply till the player leaves the server

[humble tulip]

So you use the more up to date one

[umbral ridge]

oh i see

i get it

[humble tulip]

Alternatively have a second table with Name as primary but make it case insensitive

[umbral ridge]

but for my table, uuid is UNIQUE and cant have 2 entries

[humble tulip]

And I believe that’ll allow for faster queries too since primaries keys are hashed or something

[umbral ridge]

i guess it should just override on quit event and check on join event

[chrome beacon]

There are also accounts with duplicate names :p

[umbral ridge]

I'm talking about premium only

[chrome beacon]

Yeah

[humble tulip]

Yeah

[umbral ridge]

really? how does that happen? :D

[humble tulip]

With this scenario 2 players can have the same name in the db

But different uuid

[chrome beacon]

not just that

[umbral ridge]

where do i put this logic? in a separate plugin? lol

i guess i should put it in permissions, since it has stuff to do with identity

and profile layer

it's gonna be a long night

[humble tulip]

Whenever you’re looking up UUID from name in the db, you can get by name order by last login and limit to 1

[umbral ridge]

yea

[humble tulip]

OR have a name uuid table that you can just lookup for names

[umbral ridge]

yea i was thinking of that

[humble tulip]

Personally I have in my plugin a table where name and uuid only is stored and both are unique

That way if a player with a duplicate name joins, you always have the latest UUID for that player

I honestly have no idea if that’s the BEST practice

But it worked for me so far and I ran into no issues

[chrome beacon]

It looks like Mojang has taken care of the accounts with the same name

so that's not an issue anymore :p

[sacred dagger]

Um

I think For a the correct approach is to use the player's UUID as a primary key in your database, as this will never change, and then to use a standard, mutable column for the username. When a player joins, you would simply check if their UUID is present in your database. If it is not, you would add a new record, and if it is, but their username has changed from what you currently have, you would update it. This should be done inside your existing user service or repository layer, not inside a plugin, as this is simply part of standard data synchronization.

@umbral ridge

[chrome beacon]

Did you just GPT that

[sacred dagger]

Yes

Is it not allowed?

[chrome beacon]

Yeah please don't do that

[sacred dagger]

it helps a lot tho

[chrome beacon]

If someone wanted an AI reponse they could ask an AI themselves

[sacred dagger]

Mhm

[chrome beacon]

So now you're just bothering people with an unwanted answer

[sacred dagger]

If it helped why wonder

If he dont want the answer he can just ignore it

[humble tulip]

No

String createPlayersTable = "CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS " + getPlayersTableName() + " (UUIDVARCHAR(36) NOT NULL UNIQUE,NAME VARCHAR(16) NOT NULL UNIQUE);";

That’s how I create my table

I have a players table that’s separate from where I keep all other data

[chrome beacon]

VARCHAR for UUID 😭

[humble tulip]

I created this so long ago

And now I don’t even wanna change it

[chrome beacon]

fair enough

[humble tulip]

Plus it’ll just take up a tiny bit more space in the grand scheme of things and be minimally slower

[lilac dagger]

don't make name unique

if someone who had a name didn't join the server and he changed the name and someone else took the name and join the server it'd error

[quaint basin]

https://gist.github.com/w-lacki/51d396246c791ba24da11f6685686d05 I'm having a problem with this code. I'm replicating the item worth from donutsmp, and if I give the item with /give and then open the inventory and change the item's slot, the item loses its lore. How can I fix this?

[sullen marlin]

What are you doing with packets and why

[quaint basin]

I need to change the lore of all items with a value https://imgur.com/a/dxs7VlI

https://imgur.com/a/IV1HSwj The code I sent you above belongs to someone else; I'm using packetevents where I do the same thing. To solve the problem I mentioned above, I'm listening to the Bukkit's InventoryClickEvent to send a packet with the item with the new value: https://pastes.dev/c8uYJmHU5w

However, the solution I mentioned to you, based on the inventoryclickevent, doesn't appeal to me much. Do you have any suggestions for something better?

To provide context: replaceData returns the itemstack containing the lore

[young knoll]

Wouldn’t it be better to intercept the existing outgoing packets and add the lore

[sullen marlin]

I'm just confused why packets are involved at all

?xy

[undone axle]

https://xyproblem.info/

[lilac dagger]

Yeah, he's looking for persistent lores which means actually using the item stack api

[quaint basin]

what packet?

I tried intercepting the set_cursor_item packet and it actually works, but there are desynchronizations between the client and server because the item hash with the lore is different from the item on the server, causing these desynchronizations, and I have no idea how to solve this

[quaint basin]

Because the value of the item in the lore can change at any time, the item's value is associated with the plugin's cache and not the item itself

For example, a stone is worth 10 coins now, but tomorrow it might be worth 20

And constantly changing this server-side data when the cache already performs this function, I don't think it makes much sense, and I think packet-level makes much more sense here

[lilac dagger]

Hmm, can't you just update player inventories on join and every hour?

[young knoll]

I think it’s set window item or something

[quaint basin]

I already intercepted this packet: https://imgur.com/a/IV1HSwj

This packet is sent to client when I open a chest, for example

But it's not sent when an item is moved from the player's inventory/chest. So that packet isn't enough

thats why I'm doing this https://pastes.dev/c8uYJmHU5w

[young knoll]

I think there’s also set window contents or something

[quaint basin]

just have WINDOW_ITEMS

the rest is like WINDOW_OPEN, CLICK_WINDOW etc

[tender shard]

is that ProtocolLib?

[chrome beacon]

Yeah

[tender shard]

oh god I hate protocollib so much

especially since mojang maps are now around everywhere

just use the actual packet constructors

protocollib causes more issues than it has ever solved imho

[mortal vortex]

yeah this is an L for not using PacketEvents.

[tender shard]

packetevents is definitely much better than protocollib, but I still think that no library is needed in the first place

Why not simply construct a WhatEverPacket using its regular constructor and then just send it normally

neither protocollib, nor packetevents offer any version-independent additions

[quaint basin]

packetevents

[mortal vortex]

LOOOOL

[quaint basin]

bro wtf

You guys criticize protocollib and recommend packetevents, but you can't even look at code using packetevents, lol

[tender shard]

I'd just use NMS for packets

both paper and spigot support moj maps nowadays

[chrome beacon]

:p Looks like I was wrong. I saw Wrapped packets and thought PacketWrapper for a bit

[tender shard]

Isnt PacketWrapper abandoned since years?

[mortal vortex]

I read ur name as ligma the first time around

[mortal vortex]

ye but some people still use 1.8 for some reason

[tender shard]

Yikes

[tender shard]

I always use NBTComponents or however they're called to identify custom lore lines

[quaint basin]

I'm on 1.21

[tender shard]

example:

[quaint basin]

Do you modify server-side?

[tender shard]

sure

the tagged method works like this:

    /*override*/ private fun tagged(component: Component): Component {
        if (remove.test(component)) return component
        return Component.storageNBT(loreTag, false, Key.key(loreTag)).append(component)
    }

[quaint basin]

And you call this method when?

[tender shard]

then one can identify their own lore simply using "line instanceof StorageNBTComponent && line.tag().equals(whatever)"

[tender shard]

whenever I want to update the lore

[quaint basin]

I need to update every time a player collects an item, etc., meaning I would have to call this every tick, which is a considerable overload

[tender shard]

I don't think so, entity ticking is much much heavier and that also happens on every tick

[quaint basin]

These checks I'm doing for the netty thread are much less costly than they are for the main thread, where they are more noticiable

[tender shard]

if you're worried about the overhead of cloning itemmeta everytime, there's paper's DataComponent API - but obviously that only works on paper

[quaint basin]

I agree, but even so, my plugin will be one of those that will show higher tick consumption in Spark if i do this way

[quaint basin]

even so

I think I'll keep with my packet-level work. I think it's more efficient

[tender shard]

I wouldnt be so sure, it still means you have to intercept literally EVERY single sent packet

[quaint basin]

I only need to intercept 2 packets and send one packet in the InventoryClickEvent under certain circumstances

[tender shard]

you still need to inject into netty and your interceptor gets called for every packet

and whenever there's any exception in netty, your plugin will always show up

people will blame you for mistakes that aren't yours, just because they see your plugin in the stacktrace

[quaint basin]

You're saying that the packet on player click I'm sending is also being intercepted? Yeah, that's the only problem, but I think it's still more efficient

[tender shard]

you do you, I wouldn't mess with packets unless it's absolutely neccessary

hello frostalf

[wet breach]

whether you do it on netty thread or not, it consumes the same amount of resources. Just different resources as well. But not sure why you are worried about tick consumption. You can literally show up as having a high tick consumption just by being a chat plugin and having no effect on the rest of the server.

[quaint basin]

wdym

[tender shard]

have you never seen a packet exception?

[mortal vortex]

because people will see ur plugin name in the exception and u'll get contacted when u didnt do shit

[quaint basin]

It's not just that; I don't think it's good design practice

[mortal vortex]

its like that time i may or may not have been affiliated with turkish arms dealers, and i got the blame for it

[wet breach]

and what exactly are you basing this off of?

[quaint basin]

oh lol

[quaint basin]

voices in my head

[mortal vortex]

i got them too bro dw

[wet breach]

fair enough I suppose lol

[quaint basin]

xd

[tender shard]

A typical netty exception looks like this:

NullPointerException caused by:
bla bla NMS bla bla
Random plugin number one
bla bla NMS bla bla
Random plugin number two
bla bla NMS bla bla
YOUR PLUGIN
bla bla NMS bla bla
Random plugin number four
bla bla NMS bla bla

[quaint basin]

https://imgur.com/a/NLBnsa1 another reason is I've already created this wonderful code and I don't want to delete it

[wet breach]

There is a ways to keeping your plugin optimal using normal API instead of going packet route. I probably wouldn't recommend doing packet stuff unless your plugin is indeed experiencing problems. But if you have not even bothered to do measurements and proper testing to show that your plugin is slowing the server down, I see no reason to make things harder then necessary.

[wet breach]

don't have to delete it, I have code libraries where I keep code

netbeans and intelliJ allow having a code library 🙂

[tender shard]

I usually do not agree with frostalf, but this time I do

[quaint basin]

lol

send me

Okay, I'm going to finish this, and if I find anything too complicated, I'll just go the traditional way

[tender shard]

what are you trying to do btw? Aren't there regular events you could use instead?

[quaint basin]

I need to synchronize the client's inventory with the server

[tender shard]

what about Player#updateInventory() ?

[quaint basin]

It doesn't work because it will update the client's inventory with the items with the real lore, and my lore with the item value is fictitious

[tender shard]

ah ok yeah

I think you're going down a rabbit hole

updating the lore of an item is really not very expensive

[quaint basin]

i think i'm finishing

let's see

[quaint basin]

It's more expensive and uglier because it takes longer to update

[tender shard]

I highly doubt that, as said

I'm working for a server that got about 100-150 players per instance on 1.21.11 and we do inventory checks and updates on each click, and on each InventoryClickEvent, without any issues

[quaint basin]

Forget what I said about being uglier, I got confused with something else

[tender shard]

I really wouldn't worry about the overhead of chaning the lore, it's imho really neglible

or however that word is spelt

the only things that fuck up a modern MC server are

1. synchronous chunk loading, and
2. entity ticking

[quaint basin]

I don't know which approach donutsmp uses, but it seems to be something like the one you suggested; if it is the one you suggested then your approach is uglier than mine

On DonutsMP, if you move one item to another, you can see the lore of the item's value being reset. On my server, with my approach, this doesn't happen

[tender shard]

i don't know anything about donutsmp, nor have I ever heard about it, so I cannot say anything about that

[quaint basin]

Actually, DonutsMP also uses packets, because when I enter the item, it doesn't have the lore. So I don't know what they do

[tender shard]

You are cloning the cursorItem in your code as well

your code will perform worse than if you'd simply directly modify the item

[quaint basin]

Yes, but the frequency is much lower than iterating through 36 items for each online player every tick

[tender shard]

You don't have to, you could simply only check the relevant item in the InventoryClickEvent

[quaint basin]

The overhead of cloning is probably less than adding lore to the item

[tender shard]

I am not sure, and tbh I wouldn't care - benchmark it

[quaint basin]

Almost certainly yes; cloning is just creating objects; while setting an item's lore isn't copying, it involves synchronization with other things

[tender shard]

I can show you spark reports of a 1.21.11 server with 150 players online and you'll see that changing / checking itemmeta will not even appear there unless you scroll down very, very, very far

[quaint basin]

Maybe because you have other, worse things. I don't know. But anyway, I'll finish this solution to see if it gets too complicated

[tender shard]

although we'd have to do that tomorrow because it's 2:39am in germany right now and we don't have that many players at night lol

[tender shard]

alrighty

[quaint basin]

No need, thanks for the help ❤️

[tender shard]

I wish you good luck, sorry if I sounded rude, that wasn't my intention. I just wanted to tell you about my experiences^^ good luck 🙂

[quaint basin]

You didn't sound rude, quite the opposite xd

I think I've finished my approach too

Easier than I thought

[tender shard]

feel free to share

how did you do it now?

[quaint basin]

https://pastes.dev/rtVPdNAFt2 basically this

I didn't change much from the previous code; I only made minor adjustments to fix amount errors

The logic is to set the item in the new slot with the correct quantity; for example, if I right-click on a slot, the quantity of the item in the clicked slot will increase by one, if I left-click on a slot, the quantity of the item will be max_stack_size, you know, etc

[tender shard]

interesting

thanks for the headsup

[umbral ridge]

hey

has anyone used jitpack before? build always fails and says "Fatal error compiling: invalid target release: 1.8.0_292 - i'm not using 1.8, I have specified 21 in pom.xml

[mortal vortex]

What's in your jitpack.yml file?

JitPack will compile projects using OpenJDK Java 8. See the example projects on how to set a different target version in your build file.

It was on page 2 bradda, you need to read the documentation before you start something.

https://docs.jitpack.io/building/

jdk:
  - openjdk21

[umbral ridge]

i'll try that, I haven't had jitpack file yet

[mortal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/daily-reminder-pink-kawaii-aesthetic-gif-25211606

It's okay.
You're learning.
It's apart of the process.
You're valid.

Keep going.
Always give it a shot.

[umbral ridge]

huh, now jitpack is down? can't log in with github anymore on jitpack, i cleared the browsers cache and doesnt work XD

no buttons work on their site

nvm now it works again

[humble tulip]

It won’t. The idea of this is to just have the most recent player name tha joined the server associated with the right UUID

Data is stored in a separate table by UUID

[echo basalt]

Sounds like a bad approach

If you're doing self-updating lore and you control most items in the game just go it client-sided

[upper jackal]

Hello, can someone tell me how I can make gif visible on spigotmc via imgur, because when I upload a gif there is no real bbcode but something with blockqoute and the normal link

[chrome beacon]

Do make sure your gif isn't larger than 4mb

[upper jackal]

oh okay, thanks, and in what format on spigotmc?

[chrome beacon]

?

gif?

[quaint basin]

I tried

[quaint basin]

.

If you know how to fix this, I would be grateful

[echo basalt]

there are 3 packets you need to intercept for that

not just set_cursor_item

[quaint basin]

and i did

WINDOW_ITEMS, SET_SLOT and SET_CURSOR_ITEM

[echo basalt]

actually 5 nowadays

[quaint basin]

what packets ?

[echo basalt]

WINDOW_ITEMS
SET_SLOT
SET_PLAYER_INVENTORY
SET_CURSOR_ITEM
Client.CREATIVE_INVENTORY_ACTION

[quaint basin]

i'll try

[quaint basin]

Desyncs still occur

i'll send u a video

[echo basalt]

https://gist.github.com/IllusionTheDev/dfca739a14ca9d32775a46dd8c47713e

[umbral ridge]

what if someone changes their username while they're on the server, and another person tries to join with their previous username (which is still in effect until the other player disconnects)?

[echo basalt]

would they really have 30 days of uptime

would nobody disconnect or restart the server for a month

[umbral ridge]

does player that changed their username while on the server gets kicked? or the other player that joined

[chrome beacon]

I have no idea

[umbral ridge]

see that can happen

[chrome beacon]

Feel free to give it a try

[umbral ridge]

need to handle everything

[chrome beacon]

I mean what are you even doing with names that's so important?

[umbral ridge]

nothing that important, i'm thinking things through

what ifs

[chrome beacon]

It if needs to be super accurate use the uuid

[thorn isle]

just don't allow username changes

[young knoll]

That’s up to Mojang though

[thorn isle]

grab the player profile pre-login and switch their name in for the original one based on the uuid

[young knoll]

Kek

[chrome beacon]

Just ban everyone who changes their name 🧠

[umbral ridge]

that's what i do but

[young knoll]

But why tho

[umbral ridge]

if player changes their username while they're on the server

their old username is in effect until they disconnect

[thorn isle]

doesn't matter since the on-server usernames never change

when i say original, i mean the first name the player joined the server with

i.e. anything past pre-login will always see the same name for a given uuid

[young knoll]

Remove usernames

Give every player a name based on when they joined the server

[chrome beacon]

Do a minestom discord and just rename people to uuids

[young knoll]

745th unique player to join? Your name is 745

[chrome beacon]

to ensure unique names

[chrome beacon]

(people did this as a joke)

[young knoll]

Ah yes

Please call me db2afc45-6f8f-4a8e-af59-b7509dbcef0a

[thorn isle]

what i did was just have people refer to me by the first 3 letters in the id

[echo basalt]

I refer to my own as b5eb

and my alt as b7ab or something

[quaint basin]

i'm trying to implement this. But I think i see smth strange, is cloning necessary here? Doesn't SpigotReflectionUtils clone the bukkit itemstack? https://imgur.com/a/2YGUsRB

[echo basalt]

don't recall if it's a mirror or not

try taking the clone off and seeing if it works

if it goes, good for you

if not, keep as is

I wrote that code like 2 years ago

[thorn isle]

are you sure it still works? they changed the way how the client reports its inventory state to the server recently; it no longer sends the actual itemstacks, but hashed stacks

[echo basalt]

client hasn't complained

and packetevents probably does something funky to keep it compatible

[thorn isle]

and i think the logic to get a hashed stack from an itemstack is absent from nms since it's needed only on the client

[quaint basin]

In my mind, if I convert an itemstack from packetevents to Bukkit or vice versa, I absolutely have to create a "clone" bc need create a need bukkit itemstack instance

[thorn isle]

packetevents, mm, maybe

[echo basalt]

the server would still have to hash it

[thorn isle]

that sounds reasonable but last i looked around i couldn't find an impl for it

maybe my ide search was just being bad

[quaint basin]

wdym client? your customer?

or client like minemcraft client

[echo basalt]

yea

[quaint basin]

oh ok

have desync bug yea

same bug as in my impl

https://imgur.com/a/UEMN8Pz

[quaint basin]

You were right. Do you have any idea how to solve this?

[thorn isle]

is this in creative or survival?

[quaint basin]

survival

creative happens too

The cause of the problem is the interception of the set slot packet

[thorn isle]

i think the server might be rejecting your inventory actions because the hashed stack the client sends with it doesn't match

it's best to plug a debugger into nms and see where the logic diverges with your stacks vs regular stacks

[quaint basin]

It's in the packet I told you about. If I remove that logic, there will be no more desync

But I have absolutely no idea how I can fix this

It's not possible to tell the client: "I'm going to send you an item with hash X, but its hash is Y and not X."

That's not possible, so I have absolutely no idea how to fix it

[thorn isle]

you need to intercept the packets coming back from the client and un-do your changes to the stack

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol/Packets#Click_Container

After performing the action, the server compares the results to the slot change information included in the packet, as applied on top of the server's view of the container's state prior to the action. For any slots that do not match, it sends Set Container Slot packets containing the correct results. If State ID does not match the last ID sent by the server, it will instead send a full Set Container Content to resynchronize the client.

tl;dr if hashes don't match, the server rejects it and sends an update packet with the container contents instead

as for how you're going to get the original itemstack's hash from the mangled hashedslot, uh

i guess a hashedslot -> original itemstack map somewhere

[quaint basin]

Does the state ID have anything to do with the hash?

https://imgur.com/a/6BRUWAQ Perhaps remove the item's lore when the client sends the click packet

[thorn isle]

it's worded poorly

it checks both the hash ("server compares the results to the slot change information", "for any slots that don't match")

and the state id

state id you don't need to worry about

[quaint basin]

https://pastes.dev/YvGOwEpQxl I click only once, and the window click is triggered 3 times

https://imgur.com/a/xYg6un2

[quaint basin]

This code solved the problem. I was using writeItemStackModern instead of setCarriedHashedStack

https://imgur.com/a/MsmKe5z Now I just need to do the verification not by name. How can I do that?

[grave plover]

Is it the correct behavior for no BlockDamageAbortEvent to be called when starting to mine a block and then while holding LMB hovering directly into the air? If I move the cursor directly to another block, it is called, but when I aim at the air while keep holding LMB, no event is fired?

[chrome beacon]

hovering? Like moving your mouse off the block?

[grave plover]

Yes

[chrome beacon]

What version are you on?

[grave plover]

Newest

1.21.11 something

[chrome beacon]

😭

When someone answers newest or latest it's like a 90% chance that they aren't

[onyx fjord]

Mc versioning is confusing

Mojang forgot what major vs minor release means

[chrome beacon]

Which is why they're changing things in the next release

Still what's relevant here is the exact version of Spigot

not just Minecraft

[onyx fjord]

Hope for Minecraft 2.0.0 is lost

[chrome beacon]

Yeah we jumping straight to Minecraft 26

[grave plover]

Oh I just recognized I used paper… I will ask there, but I doubt it’s a paper specific thing. Just didn’t know if it was expected behavior?

[chrome beacon]

:/

[onyx fjord]

Didn't Minecraft change this behavior a while back?

I often find myself "resuming" digging

[chrome beacon]

I know there's been issues with block cancelling digging for years

Like over a decade

[onyx fjord]

Didn't see that in old gen

(being <1.13)

[chrome beacon]

It's around all the way back in 1.6 (iirc)

[grave plover]

I have no clue, I just wanted to implement custom block damaging and don’t want to add unnecessary raycasting

[chrome beacon]

It's easiest recreated when jumping and breaking a block

though I thought this was fixed by now

[onyx fjord]

True

Wonder what's mojangs stance on that

[chrome beacon]

Probably an issue on the bug tracker somewhere

[grave plover]

Sadge

[onyx fjord]

I wonder if there's a fix needed for client too in this case

[quaint basin]

https://pastes.dev/HKFPsWSiJp If the user is in creative mode, will the item on the server side be the same as the 'original'?

[chrome beacon]

https://mojira.dev/MC-69865

2014 nice

[grave plover]

LOL

[onyx fjord]

Are you doing packet item stack work

[grave plover]

Ok then back to raytracing I guess

[quaint basin]

yes

[onyx fjord]

Just exempt creative from that

Or you'll end up with messed up items

[quaint basin]

But I'm asking if this is the behavior with creative

[onyx fjord]

At least that's what I did when doing enchantments once

Creative copies the item from what I remember

[quaint basin]

I'm having strange behavior and I don't know if it's due to creative mode

[onyx fjord]

Creative sends back what it sees

That's why you end up with duplicated lore if adding lore through packets

[quaint basin]

wdym

[onyx fjord]

Hard to explain

Let's say you add a fake lore

[quaint basin]

I noticed that if the client sends any item to the server, that item will become the new item in the corresponding slot in the server-side player's inventory if they are in creative mode

[quaint basin]

hm

[onyx fjord]

Creative client receives the item

And when doing something with it

Copies it essentially

[chrome beacon]

^^ creative inventory just copies items

[quaint basin]

That's what I said here - but that's not the question

[quaint basin]

My question is about the behavior of WINDOWS ITEMS when the player is in creative mode, not CREATIVE_INVENTORY_ACTION itself

[chrome beacon]

I have no idea what the question is

[quaint basin]

like

I don't know another way to say it xd

[chrome beacon]

If you add fake data to an item with packets and a creative players moves that item

The fake data will become part of the item

The client tells the server what item to set in the slot

[quaint basin]

I'm asking if the server receives a WINDOW_CLICK packet from a player in creative mode, and if that item corresponding to the "clicked" slot will become the new item in the inventory interacted with in the corresponding slot on the server side

Clicked in quotes because client can send fake packets

[chrome beacon]

so does this answer your question

[quaint basin]

I don't know if the window click is called in this case xd

[quaint basin]

This is not happening

I'm moving my item to a chest (instead of moving it in my own inventory) so that WINDOW_CLICK is called instead of CREATIVE_INVENTORY_ACTION, and the item with the lore that I'm seeing isn't the item that's on the server-side (the server-side item doesn't have the lore)

[karmic tide]

hey könnte mir einer meinen root server machen und meinen gekauften server verbinden
einfach per dm

[smoky anchor]

english please

[winter jungle]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[thorn isle]

how many tokens per second are you getting on it

did you vectorize it yet or are you running it with basic scalar arithmetic

if you haven't yet and are looking to, this is a good reference https://github.com/mukel/llama3.java

last i checked a year or so back, i think they kind of botched the vectorization for the KV cache matmuls, but they might've fixed that now

[keen olive]

Hello, is there any reason I'm not able to resolve net.md-5:bungeecord-api:1.21-R0.4-SNAPSHOT using this repository URL https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots on my gradle project?

[chrome beacon]

It's on maven central

[keen olive]

Thanks

[robust helm]

how to support multiple languages in spigot

or do i just switch to p*per?

tempting indeed

[smoky anchor]

support where exactly
text in game ? create RP and send translation components
or I think you can get the players locale and translate them serverside

[robust helm]

yes, in-game.
so if i dont want to use a RP i should do like player.sendMessage(MessageUtils.resolve(player, "command.no-permission")) ?

i only want to support like 2 languages but separate from the minecraft locale

[chrome beacon]

Send a component not a string

[robust helm]

that works in spigot?

[chrome beacon]

Yeah Spigot has components

[thorn isle]

did spigot have serverside translations

[chrome beacon]

No but you can do those yourself

[robust helm]

you mean the player.spigot().sendMessage method then?

[chrome beacon]

Wait so you don't want it to come from the locale?

You can just send it as a regular string then 🤷‍♂️

Nothing Paper specific is required to send a message

Or do you want it to be based on the clients locale but without a resourcepack

[robust helm]

hmmm

i really just want to have 2 language-files that have key-message pairs

and in paper its simply Component.translatable("key");

[robust helm]

but in spigot id need to do this as i need to get the language selection of the player

cause i want players to be able to do /language en/de or smth

[chrome beacon]

This relies on a resource pack?

That's a translatable component

You can do that on Spigot as well

If you want to do it entierly server side just check getLocale on the player and send the appropriate message

[robust helm]

shit it does

eeh ig i know nothing

[chrome beacon]

Just do this

[robust helm]

sorry to bother, ill look it up properly

[chrome beacon]

Load your messages in to a map where the key is language

[robust helm]

any wide-spread libraries for this?

or conventions for the language file format

[chrome beacon]

You do not need a library for this

And no there aren't really any conventions either it's up to you

[hybrid spoke]

sounds like you want to achieve i18n https://www.baeldung.com/java-8-localization

[robust helm]

who knows what i might want to achieve

but thx yall

[remote swallow]

you can have server side translations with minimessage/adventure stuff

[wet breach]

well there is a convention that exists

i18n

you make language files where text is translated. All you need to do is have a method to track the language to use for a player. Easiest method is just let them use a command and you just store it in a DB of some sort.

but yeah a convention does exist for translations

[torpid blaze]

Hey, I don't know how this can be and I have never have had this issue before but the PlayerInteractEvent is not triggering all the time for non OP players. it depens on which block you right click. left click works all the time.
I am in the process of making a minigame with a lobby world, where every thing works as it should and a minigame map, which is a newly gernerated map with some spawn coppied in in the sky. and on this map the non admin player doesn't allways fire a playerinteract event when rightlicking a block. for some reason it is not random but specific blocks and when the players drops on the map, it seems to work for all blocks.
I have already comented out every other event and I have no other playerInteractevents but still doesn't change.

[chrome beacon]

neat

[worldly ingot]

Player interactions, especially right click interactions, are very, very wonky in general. Sometimes the client sends interactions, sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes it just relies on the hand swing animation.

Generally the case is that the client just doesn't send any interaction information because it doesn't need to. For example, right clicking a diamond block with an open hand doesn't do anything at all, so it doesn't feel the need to send an interaction packet

[umbral ridge]

😿

[umbral ridge]

it doesnt send it at all? i though it sends it and triggers interaction event

or is it only on entities hm

[worldly ingot]

Entities always

[young knoll]

I mean you definitely get an interact event when you right click a block with an empty hand

How exactly that happens idk

Maybe choco personally triggers the event for you

[worldly ingot]

🙂

[rotund ravine]

Do you get one or two?

[torpid blaze]

I already though but the weird thibg is that the most important block I want to check for a click is on an ender chest, which would normally be interact. Furthermore it works fine for op players and in the lobby.

I can't use the oninventoryopen because the enderchest has no handler and therefore I can't get the block right?

Or can I get the block the player is looking at?

well, it also works when having a compase in hand...

well, not even with the open inventory event its working. how does this make any sense

the same with normal chests. how can that be?

[thorn isle]

are you using some protection plugin to cancel the interaction

[torpid blaze]

Luckperms is on it

[thorn isle]

get eventdebugger and hook it into the interact event and see if someone is cancelling it before you get it

[torpid blaze]

I now tried without luckperms, still no success. now mine is the only plugin on it

I added a log to the start of the event listener, set priority to highest and set ignoreCancelled = false but still nothing. only when clicking on some blocks

its Like I can'T do anything really. I can also not place blocks everywhere

I am dumb I guess

could it be that the default spawnprotection is limiting something

[young knoll]

Yes

Spawn protection is rude

[torpid blaze]

I copied a devserver from another minigame and thought I removed it already

wow nice

sure why it still worked in the lobby

looks good. till thanks for you help!

[topaz mauve]

why when i use emojis to style the desc of my plugin but when i hit preview it vanish the emojis?

[weak wasp]

Pretty sure emojis only work in the title. I have never seen them in a description before.

[topaz mauve]

okey, ty

[half gust]

Does anyone know how to make it a command that makes it so the player is in spectator and moving towards a location for a moment

(basically what I am trying to do is the player teleports to a planet, and it shows an animation of them going closer to a model of the planet)

[eternal oxide]

Mount the player on a Display Entity and translate the entity for movement

[umbral ridge]

[thorn isle]

I'm not sure if teleport interpolation works with mounted entities

[young knoll]

You can’t even teleport mounted entities with the api

Perhaps an invisible armor stand with gravity disabled and setting its velocity would be better

[thorn isle]

That's the standard old way of doing it

If teleport interpolation worked, it'd be better though

So it might be worth a shot

[lilac dagger]

can you guys download sources and documentation for spigot api?

for some reason i cannot

i fixed it, it was because buildtools generated the spigot api before and it wasn't downloading from the repo

i had to delete spigot api folder from the m2 folder

[lilac dagger]

damn

choco is fast

or was it a bot who removed the link

[stable elbow]

no bro just test

[fathom fable]

ok

[dry forum]

is it possible to make a 1st join system per world without storing the worlds the player has been in before in a file/database?

[pseudo hazel]

probably if you save it in the player or world data

it has to be saved somewhere

[spiral magnet]

I am trying to prevent crop items from dropping when water flows over them, I want them to just break without the drops. I can't seem to make it happen from inside the BlockFromToEvent. Is there a different event I should be looking at?

please ping me if anyone has any answers

[young knoll]

ItemSpawnEvent would work

@spiral magnet

[shadow pumice]

Hey! how can i check how demanding my plugin is on server resources? i'm using spark but the health report didnt even mention my plugin

[pliant topaz]

Can you send the spark report?

[mortal hare]

my hot take: single threaded async io is better over multithreading one. with single threaded approach you have the least latency and predictable performance without mutexes and locks and debugging mess. Sure it would use more ram than multithreaded processes since every concurrent part is now a process, but you can horizontally scale them easily and efficiently utilize core usage by pinning the processes to the specific CPU logical cores

[mortal hare]

unless your task is specific one which requires high computation power and not blocking, like video processing, encoding theres zero reason to use multithreading

[digital veldt]

how can i make a limbo with AUTHme so when you join the server you are in the middle of nowhere

[mortal vortex]

I would recommend taking a look at AuthMeAsyncPreLoginEvent.

Hook into this, then on Spigot's side, and the moment the player joins but before they authenticate, you teleport them to your limbo location.

As for the limbo world, look at WorldCreator to create a void world at startup.

Ideally, you would want the players to be in survival, to prevent them from seeing other players (spectators can see each other) you would need to put them in invisible rather, but then since they are in survival they will be in freefall, so cancel PlayerMoveEvent.

Maintain a set of players

Set<UUID> limboPlayers = new HashSet<>();
/// ... you'll be updating it in the other event

@EventHandler
public void onMove(PlayerMoveEvent e) {
    if (limboPlayers.contains(e.getPlayer().getUniqueId())) {
        if (e.getFrom().getX() != e.getTo().getX() ||
            e.getFrom().getY() != e.getTo().getY() ||
            e.getFrom().getZ() != e.getTo().getZ()) {
            e.setCancelled(true);
        }
    }
}

Hope this helps @digital veldt.

[thorn isle]

well there are many kinds of multithreading

the "throw infinite threads at it" kind definitely suffers in throughput and latency both

proper threading won't necessarily increase latency measurably

but yes, single-threaded code is much simpler to write, maintain, and reason about

which is why threaded code isn't the default

it does come with the drawback that sometimes it can be very difficult to scale it to run on multiple threads without major reinvention of the internals, and sometimes the api as well

[slender elbow]

good thing that this is a solved problem already

[mortal vortex]

Spigot is a solved problem

lets all use paper

shut this server down boys

[lilac dagger]

spigot isn't a problem(to be solved) tho

[onyx fjord]

authme allows you to set a pre-login spawn location

use that

[onyx fjord]

dont need this, authme alone can prevent movement for unlogged players

[digital veldt]

bcz i want to make a limbo so that people who login into other people accounts wouldnt be able to press f3 and see the cordinates

[mortal vortex]

No idea because I’ve never used that plugin but this is #help-development I gave a general purpose solution, all I saw was the two events so I gave him a lead.

[mortal vortex]

Yeah then use the PreLoginEvent

And use WorldCreator

[digital veldt]

okay

[mortal vortex]

Do you use Multiverse or something?

If so you can use the multiverse API.

[onyx fjord]

settings.restrictions.teleportUnAuthedToSpawn

[digital veldt]

so do i just put it in the plugin config because im a beginer with spigot

or plugins

[mortal vortex]

Yeah you would in this case but keep in mind this channel is usually for questions regarding the spigot API – as in, writing your own plugins in Java

[shadow pumice]

I have a question plz, so I'm gonna start working on a plugin, is it better that i make it for 1.21+ with Java SDK 21 or make it support 1.18+ with Java 17?
which would be more practical and sought after today

[chrome beacon]

Go with 1.21+ and Java 21

[shadow pumice]

ok ty, and may i ask for the reason? is it that there are fewer servers on versions younger than 1.21?

[chrome beacon]

yeah

[thorn isle]

almost all servers are on either latest or 1.8

with small minorities on 1.13, 1.18, and 1.20

[shadow pumice]

ah ok ty
last question, for version 26.1 (ik its still in snapshot) will my plugin work on it? or do i have to recode it?

[chrome beacon]

Depends on what you do

but if you just use the API it should work

[shy tinsel]

Yo guys i am looking for a minecraft server dev. We are trying to grow our server and I am looking for a second dev. Dm me or add me if you would like to apply for this position. Or just join the discord server in my bio, make a ticket there and apply. See you on the server.

[chrome beacon]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[vagrant stratus]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[vagrant stratus]

rip md's paste url

Yo does anyone happen to know if Spigot has built-in methods for literally any of these?
https://pastes.dev/rtsyGYKlMb

I 10000% half-assed the original implementation, and I'm working on other stuff so i don't want to sift through all of the docs just to double check lmao

[mortal vortex]

No.

[vagrant stratus]

RIP

I know paper's got API for at least one of them, but fuck that KEKW

[mortal vortex]

1. No respawn
2. I think Spigot has a setSpectatorTarget() which can be adjacent to your sendCameraPacket() however I believe that depends on gamemode being spectator.
3. sendClientboundAnimatePacket() partially exists but only as swingMainHand() and swingOffHand(), any other arbitrary animations aren't accessible I believe.

[mortal vortex]

dont think so

[vagrant stratus]

broadcastEntityEvent -> EntityEffect

I think that's more or less the same. I'll have to double check how I'm actually handling that lol

As previously stated, I 1000% half-assed this KEKW

[mortal vortex]

?

[mortal vortex]

Spigot also has that.

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/EntityEffect.html

so idk what you mean

[vagrant stratus]

Ahhh

How the fuck did i miss that originally

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[mortal vortex]

No clue.

[vagrant stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-love-lucy-okay-idk-gif-1377867919013175885

Actually. I might know KEKW

Also, the CraftBukkit & NMS implementations are different code wise.
Functionally the same mayhaps

[vagrant stratus]

Yea, checked the animate packet one and the only ones I'm handing off to NMS are CRITICAL_EFFECT and MAGICAL_CRITICAL_EFFECT

Also yea, setSpectatorTarget requires the player to be spectator

[vagrant stratus]

Guess if I really wanted to, i could dig through the client code & see how the client implements those two effects and just make a utilty method but that's ehhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/it-already-exists-nick-zetta-basically-homeless-it-already-happened-it's-already-here-gif-8250989047012536545

[mortal vortex]

talking to urself rn gng

[rotund ravine]

Fun!

[buoyant viper]

Player.Spigot#respawn()

?jd-s

[undone axle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot

[vagrant stratus]

Oh yea, forgot Player#spigot exists cause it just outright sucks lmfaoo

[subtle oriole]

how to override other tabs? Currently the TAB plugin override my tab for my plugin

how to fix this?

is there any post on spigot I didn't find

[chrome beacon]

Just don't

Let the users disable the TAB plugins tab should they not want it

[subtle oriole]

I get it, but my plugin is a minigame plugin and it have a tab that shows the teams and other info.. currently the TAB plugin overrides my plugin's tab

[chrome beacon]

so? That does not change what I said

This is exactly how we end up with mixin hell in modding. People just trying to overwrite eachother with increasing priority

[subtle oriole]

as a premium plugin you don't want to relay on the one who bought the plugin, not everyone have that experience to get where the issue coming from. That's why I want my plugin to override every other tab plugin

[chrome beacon]

Yeah now have fun when other plugins tries to do the same

TAB is also a premium plugin and they also want it to just work

Now you both will want to overwrite eachother

[mortal vortex]

Very true.

[chrome beacon]

and boom infinite priority loop

[mortal vortex]

Or use TAB’s API and kindly ask tab to fuck off during times you don’t want it in use.

[chrome beacon]

If you absolutely must have that, hook their API and tell it to backoff ^^

[subtle oriole]

Yeah but the tab plugin shouldn't override a minigame plugin..

Also I'm trying to not get stuck into problems with every single tab plugin out there just to show the minigame tab over them

So that's why I wanted my tab to have priority.. it only runs in running state matches not in lobbies

[chrome beacon]

What you want to do can be very intrusive and is a bad idea for a public plugin

If you implement your own lobby tab and ingame tab users won't need a different plugin for that part

Solving the issue in the cleanest way

[subtle oriole]

They have option to turn the tab off.. I'm just trying to avoid people with no knowledge that may have such a small issue and keep asking on Discord

[subtle oriole]

Yeah that's why the tab is only showing up in running games not in lobby.

[pseudo hazel]

for minigames your 2 most common options should just be 1. they dont use a tab plugin on the minigame server so yours is used by default. or 2. They have a tab plugin and it just overrides yours

a magical third option where even though they have a tab plugin and you try to overwrite it anyways is just gonna be even more confusing

[subtle oriole]

Well I kinda changed my mind

I'll use TAB api instead and show in the config how they might turn off other tab plugins for this case

[ivory sleet]

yea integration is a very nice and usually wanted solution

def go with that

[still pollen]

How u guys learn java?

[chrome beacon]

Practice and reading existing project code

[still pollen]

hmm

[ivory sleet]

are you trying to learn something specific, or just Java in general?

[still pollen]

trying to learn minecraft plugin develop

[wet breach]

I use my eyes to read

[subtle oriole]

For me the best shot was courses there are one on udemy

it helps a lot

[ivory sleet]

yea, i think courses are great to walk you through the theory, but then its important to apply what you learn as well, more so reading others code as olivo said gives you perspective on how a concept can be used in a way that you may not have thought of

[lilac dagger]

what olivo said

practice writing, look into big projects

learn how they do things

compare between projects

see what you like more

and of course employ creativity too 😄

[vagrant stratus]

I used youtube to start & kinda just went from there by looking at projects, googling, decompiling, etc

[lilac dagger]

modifying open source projects is also good

[vagrant stratus]

also true

[mortal hare]

i got bullied into learning it

basically a person constantly mocked me for using skript for building my server

i still thank that guy till this day since im graduating bachelor's degree of software engineering this year basically because of him lol

[lilac dagger]

i did bully someone for using skript lol

they now know kotlin

😅

[mortal hare]

butterfly effect

[thorn isle]

now i will bully him for using kotlin

but yes, this is why i've always had such a strong distaste for skript

it's a crutch and a noob trap that countless would-be-programmers have got stuck in because they have "programming at home"

on one hand it's an okay entry gateway, but at the same time it's also powerful enough and with a learning curve steep and far enough for you to figure you won't bother learning anything else now that you've learned it

[lilac dagger]

Skript is good for a week or so

Then you can just hop to another language just fine

Even going straight into a programming language is cool

[chrome beacon]

I remember making a factions plugin in Skript

[lilac dagger]

Good job

But with your skill you could've done it in java as well 😄

[chrome beacon]

That was before I learned Java 💀

or any programming language really

[ivory sleet]

I heard Skript worked well with coding related llms cuz they dont need to pay as much attention to the syntax and designing infrastructure assuming if you were to use a real lang etc

[still pollen]

Watching plugins source codes and editing is good for learn?

[lilac dagger]

Yes

But also do make your own stuff as well

So you understand how to solve problems that come with developing your own stuff

[still pollen]

Ok2

[lilac dagger]

But yeah understanding someone's code is good and comparing between people is also good

You get to be a judge of code so you can write better code for yourself

[shadow night]

so, less tokens basically

[still pollen]

But how to understand the code as newbie? 😅

[lilac dagger]

Start with small projects

Build a hub plugin

Or something

[ivory sleet]

i mean yea, but there are a lot of ways to deal w grotesque token consumption already, more the fact that there's no question about design to begin with if you write skript (not saying there is no depth of design in skript, just probably very shallow unless they've recently added new shit to the language)

[still pollen]

Starts from skript lang?

[ivory sleet]

ideally not, i think you might be doing yourself a disservice even though skript might be somewhat easier in the very beginning

[chrome beacon]

Skript can honestly just be harder than doing it properly in Java

Having to find a bunch of addons that do what you want

and their magic words without any syntax help

[ivory sleet]

addons that are natively implemented in Java I assume?

[chrome beacon]

yeah

[ivory sleet]

fair enough

[shadow night]

kinda reminds me of how datapackers have to do crazy stuff for basic programming things

[chrome beacon]

yeah data pack creators do some crazy stuff

[mortal hare]

same i had like 20k lines of .sk files

of skript functions just for this

💀

[jagged thicket]

do ppl use skript outside of mc

[slender elbow]

Skript is a scripting plugin for the Bukkit platform.

i doubt it

[worldly ingot]

I MEANNNN

https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/hyskript

It's made by the same author of Skript lol

But yeah outside of Minecraft (and Hytale), Skript isn't used anywhere. It's not its own programming language and a lot of its syntax is very much geared towards the Minecraft ecosystem

[vagrant stratus]

Actual programming language when

[lilac dagger]

Should i get on the bandwagon and move all my minigames to hytale? 😄

[vagrant stratus]

Only if you buy it for everyone KEKW

[lilac dagger]

The top mods do have a lot of downloads tho

Tho this doesn't corelate to actual owners of the game

Maybe it's just people checking the code

[vagrant stratus]

Probably

Any ideas on how this can be improved or cleaned up? I'm sure there's something obvious lol
https://github.com/OpticFusion1/InteractableItems

[lilac dagger]

I like to use this approach myself

[echo basalt]

bleh no

There are diff ways of doing it

[lilac dagger]

It's much easier to work with

[vagrant stratus]

I mean, this works but feels messy lmao

[echo basalt]

I kinda made a custom data component system

[vagrant stratus]

Yea, I'll probably just grab one at random and/or merge one or two that better fit my needs

[lilac dagger]

This is set to

[echo basalt]

yeah no

For just using items like wands or whatever I have an "item use action" component

that just runs a list of functions that are named and registered

Something like

public interface ItemUseAction {
  void handle(ItemUseContext context);
}

[vagrant stratus]

I mean, I could rewrite it to use https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/actionlib.117241/ instead but I need something more generic for interactables lol

[echo basalt]

public class ItemUseContext {

  private final Player player;
  private final ItemStack item;
  private final ItemUseType type;

  private boolean cancelEvent;
  private boolean consumeItem;

  ...
}

[vagrant stratus]

Although I guess that fits this situation too 🤔

[echo basalt]

and then whatever

if you want to make an item that opens a menu when clicking just make an action called like "open-embedded-contents" or something, link it to the item