help-development

[sacred mountain]

i'm trying to generalise something for a library

[wet breach]

its fine as long as you know what it is your casting. All the warning means is that the compiler can't guarantee that what you are casting is indeed correct.

Vector<Integer> vecI = (Vector<Integer>) vec;

in this example, this would throw the same warning or should. If vec on the right is a string, it would cause a ClassCastException.

but the compiler has no way of knowing since type erasure and generics and all that fun stuff

The proper thing is to avoid using raw types, but sometimes its unavoidable

[thorn isle]

Vector 👴

[wet breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/vector-2

[sacred mountain]

yeah i couldn't figure out a way to do it without the weird casting stuff, thanks for the explanation appreciate it

[onyx fjord]

antipopup is 5 megs, noone ever complained

dw even jdk has unchecked casts

[worldly ingot]

Am I dumb and only just clueing into the fact that this actually has a purpose besides being a shit code style?

switch (...) {
    case A:
        int i = 0;
        break;
    case B:
        int i = 1; // Compile error, 'i' is already defined
        break;
}

switch (...) {
    case A: {
        int i = 0;
        break;
    }
    case B: {
        int i = 1; // Compiles fine, the 'i's are in different scopes
        break;
    }
}

Like I understand it. The {} provides additional scope. It's just this with a switch:

{
    int i = 0;
}
{
    int i = 1;
}

but my brain just never put two and two together

[thorn isle]

the reason i do this is because back in the day intellij wouldn't allow folding cases unless you wrapped the case in brackets

[worldly ingot]

I just thought the {} looked like ass in a switch case so I never did it lol

and served no other purpose

[thorn isle]

i think it makes a bit more sense than not using {} since that makes it behave the same as it does with if

and switch case is just if-else-if-else

[worldly ingot]

Fair point as well

Now 11 years of Java later and I'm like "Oh, right... {} is just a scope definition, of course you can use it in a switch and it has practical use, dummy"

[thorn isle]

i also sometimes do this to make lengthy logic foldable, though arguably you should just move it to its own method if girth is an issue

[worldly ingot]

Can't be having too much girth in one case

[sly topaz]

I don't think I ever did use {} in a switch

I remove them from anywhere I can

but I am the type of person to do this:

for (var some : things)
  if (some instanceof Thing thing)
    doStuff(thing)

[thorn isle]

horrible

[shadow night]

disgusting

[wet breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/minions-gus-minion

[visual lagoon]

u da real art

[worldly ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/arrest-him-arresthim-joe-joebrown-gif-19950024

A crime only worse than using var in a for loop

[slender elbow]

@worldly ingot

I have fun java quiz :)

[worldly ingot]

Oh okay

[slender elbow]

ONLY FOR CHOCO if you are NOT choco DO NOT ANSWER

[worldly ingot]

Oh shoot. Let me get my id

[slender elbow]

class Foo<T> {
  <V> List<V> emptyList() { return List.<V>of(); }
}

var emptyList = new Foo().<String>emptyList();

what is the full type of emptyList

[slender elbow]

choco face reveal

[young knoll]

byte

Everything is a byte

[worldly ingot]

List<String> Hold on, am I being tricked

[slender elbow]

hehehe

it is not!

it's just erased List raw type :D

:) :D

[worldly ingot]

but why

Cause var erases the type because nothing was added to it?

So it's weakly typed?

[slender elbow]

nothing to do with var, var is just inferring what the method returns

[worldly ingot]

But it returns <V> and <V> is String!

WHY DO YOU DO THIS

[slender elbow]

The type of a constructor (§8.8), instance method (§8.4, §9.4), or non-static field (§8.3) of a raw type C [...] is the erasure of its type in the generic class or interface C.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se25/html/jls-4.html#jls-4.8

:D

[worldly ingot]

[slender elbow]

which means this compiles just file List<Long> l = new Foo().<String>empty list()

[worldly ingot]

I DON'T LIKE THAT

[slender elbow]

:DDD

[worldly ingot]

omg it's because Foo is typed

I hate that so much

[slender elbow]

yes foo is type parameterised

[worldly ingot]

I don't like Java anymore

[young knoll]

Does that mean you are going to rewrite the hytale server in python

[visual lagoon]

u da real python

[pure dagger]

how to serialize blockstate? i need to copy a reigon and paste it somewhere else, like worldedit does

keep the chest contents etc

[lilac dagger]

you could read the blockstate for all it has

inventories have item stacks that are serializable

i don't think there's a straight forward way

[young knoll]

The Blockstate itself contains all the data

[lilac dagger]

maybe nms?

[young knoll]

And BlockState has a copy(Location) method

[pure dagger]

but i need to save it as text

i guess worldedit might not do that

[young knoll]

Worldedit uses NBT

[pure dagger]

isnt nbt and blockstate the same thing

[young knoll]

Technically you can convert it to NBT as well using the Structure system

No, BlockState is a java object, NBT is a data format

[pure dagger]

how to convert that

[young knoll]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/structure/StructureManager.html#createStructure()

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/structure/Structure.html#fill(org.bukkit.Location,org.bukkit.Location,boolean)

[lilac dagger]

this is actually great

[pure dagger]

ohhh

i have an already made solution

?

didnt know

[lilac dagger]

pretty much

yeah this is great

[pure dagger]

is it designed to dynamically create the structures, for example by a command?

[lilac dagger]

you need 2 locations

then you can save it to a file via an output stream

[pure dagger]

cooool

[thick flare]

Hello, I hope you're having a good day. I would like to purchase the ShopGui Plus extension, but since I live in Turkey and don't use PayPal, I can't buy it from the website. How can I purchase it?

[sacred mountain]

yum

[mortal vortex]

Turkey*

[wet breach]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wait-for-me-im-coming-1

[vast raven]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[short pilot]

would it be wiser to add recipe through code itself or to make a helper datapack that my plugin installs on its own, that will have the recipe ?

[young knoll]

I mean, doing it through code is easy

So why not

[haughty ledge]

i am trying to get vault for my sever can someone help me

[sullen marlin]

What are you having trouble with?

[haughty ledge]

so i cant find the right version of vault

for 1.21.11

[sullen marlin]

Any version should work

[haughty ledge]

on the website ?

[sullen marlin]

Sure

[pure dagger]

what to throw when a passed argument is not null but it's field is null and shouldnt

?

NPE?

[umbral ridge]

yes

or use Optional

to avoid null

[slender elbow]

that's not really the answer to the question

them the question becomes "what should I throw if the optional is empty"

[umbral ridge]

ok smartass

[slender elbow]

IllegalArgumentException sounds pretty fit for that either way

[umbral ridge]

I think EmilyException sounds better

[ancient plank]

someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today

[umbral ridge]

what is the right side of bed?

[slender elbow]

the top side i would say

[sacred mountain]

pc out the window

or be me and have no error handling, if theres an error i just add a bunch of println

then my future self gets annoyed at my lack of code quality

and the cycle repeats

[thorn isle]

Optional is snake oil

[umbral ridge]

well i prefer to be on top so that i agree with

[sacred mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/airball-nba-brick-gif-15266795546092124798

[worldly ingot]

I would like to argue that sometimes it's better ☝️🤓

NOT ALWAYS, but sometimes

[slender elbow]

maybe

[little canyon]

can someone pls help me adding Protection stones compatibility to oneblock's chests?

[chrome beacon]

What part do you need help with

[slender elbow]

the part with adding Protection stones compatibility to oneblock's chests

[hazy mist]

hi guys i need help with a really simple thing i started changing open source projects and i need help figuring out a thing with treet populator can anyone :d

[chrome beacon]

What part do you need help with?

[hazy mist]

can i send the code here?

[chrome beacon]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[hazy mist]

oh i wrote you in dm

[quaint mantle]

messages:
  commands:
    on: "<green>Whitelist is now turned on"
    off: "<red>Whitelist is now turned off"

I have this code in my default config file, when I run the plugin and the default config gets copied and saved to the plugin folder, for some reason it turns into this?

messages:
  commands:
    'true': "<green>Whitelist is now turned on"
    'false': "<red>Whitelist is now turned off"

can anyone help?

[green gyro]

That’s a feature of YAML, no way to change it as far as I am aware. You can use “on” and “off” in quotes, but it’d be a lot better to just rename them to something like “whitelistOn” and “whitelistOff”.

[lilac dagger]

does that mean you can use on/off for boolean types?

i didn't know

[quaint mantle]

oh

[slender elbow]

yes! you can also use yes, no, y, n, and all their uppercase variants

[lilac dagger]

that's nice

i didn't know

[slender elbow]

though that is yaml 1.1 and was changed in yaml 1.2 but it is still a mess

[robust helm]

https://noyaml.com/ >:(

[thorn isle]

yeah we should all switch to toml that is also ass and nobody uses

but to be fair yes yaml is horrible

in being "human friendly" with all this nonsense like Y passing for true and guessing types like numbers vs strings, it's very much not "programmer friendly"

[slender elbow]

fortunately i just use jackson and everything works well

it's not like i'm manually parsing it

[robust helm]

whats the issue with toml?

[thorn isle]

it's yaml for hippies

[robust helm]

its yaml without the bad

[thorn isle]

and without much of the good, and with some of the bad like dates, and with some extra bad that wasn't in yaml like the near-zero adoption

[robust helm]

man i dont really know

if u ask me, a subset with yaml would be nice

where the bad is removed

but ig it couldnt be inplemented as a subset

[thorn isle]

imo the main problem with yaml is that it's so flexible, with like 100 ways of doing multiline strings

if it was reduced down a bit, it'd be better

[robust helm]

i think the only good thing in yaml is the
key:
subkey:
format

[slender elbow]

anchors and aliases

[robust helm]

what

[thorn isle]

yaml supports referencing already-defined items through anchors, which is very powerful and useful, even if a bit troublesome to parse

[robust helm]

oh cool shit

[weak wasp]

I would accept yaml if it didn't have a total mental breakdown because I hit the TAB key.

[mortal vortex]

TOML supports dot notation in the files themselves yeah? Seems better than yaml

YAML suffers the same problem like python, to know what "subheading" you're under, you have to check the indentation.

Like:

foo:
  ... #imagine we had 100 lines here
  bar:
    ... #imagine we had 100 lines here
    fizz:

if ur in fizz, u would have to scroll up like a LOT to see that ur actually in foo/bar/fizz.

[ivory sleet]

i mean yea, but technically you can use flow style for yaml

which is basically json

[worldly ingot]

At which point you might as well use JSON

[wet breach]

well, yaml is a superset of json so makes sense

[mortal vortex]

TOML is superior and all plugins should use it.

I actually fail to see a difference between TOML and ini thouguh

toml doesnt feel like a language, it just feels like a parser impl for toml

[wet breach]

main difference is that ini has no formal specification therefore anything using the ini format does so in their own way and has limited hierarchical support. All values are strings. Last two things are not really an issue, main issue is the fact everyone has their own implementation of ini so its not the same from one thing to another.

I am a fan of ini myself, mainly because even with yaml, I treat everything as a string anyways which tends to make things easier in the long run at least for me

[mortal vortex]

ohhhh i see

[buoyant viper]

me when i uh

[Section]
Key=Value```

[pliant topaz]

is json a valid option here?

[mossy dock]

Hello everyone, quick question, the plugin that I believe is called “ValhallaMMO” gives the player / server access to a thing named “/skill”. which is a skill tree. Is there anything about it that makes it so I can either:
A) Disable /skills with a command like /disableskills
B) Make something in the plugin that let’s me make that
C) Do something else that makes that happen

(Context, this is for a server where I want to make a minigame, but there is no way to make it so people can’t just 1 shot every mob in it.)

[drowsy helm]

Can't you do this with a permission?

and havent you asked this question like 5 times

[sullen marlin]

Yeah I said permission one of those five times

[mortal vortex]

Only if permission exists for said thing. The way they explained it previously was like a time based thing?

[native gale]

Permission exists, as I just wrote in #general + luckperms allows you to set temporary time based permissions, so like, everything is doable either via Java or Skript (if this thing is still a thing)

[thorn isle]

https://hitchdev.com/strictyaml/why-not/toml/

[slender elbow]

.properties looking real tempting

[buoyant viper]

Real

Key=Value is simply the best

[lilac dagger]

it works for static configs

[young knoll]

Pfft

Just use .txt

[thorn isle]

towny type of shit

[lilac dagger]

my addon plugins have a simple addon.txt to find path to main class

the rest of the information is given by annotations

[fathom fable]

Wow

[lilac dagger]

https://github.com/Fr33styler/ArcadeAddons/tree/main/LobbyScoreboard/src/main

[thorn isle]

cue in my rant about plugins like bentobox fumbling together their own "addon" system when javaplugin and dependencies through bukkit are much more reliable and standard

[lilac dagger]

you can make addons via javaplugin too

[fathom fable]

just use configs like

commands:
  prq:
    name: 'prq'
    description: 'RDQImpl Commands'
    aliases:
      - rq
    usage: 'rq <admin | bounty | main | perks | quests | ranks>'
    argumentUsages:
      1$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7/" & alias & "&c<admin | bounty | main | perks | quests | ranks>"'
    errorMessages:
      malformedEnum$: |
        lut["prefix"] & "&7The value &c" & value & " &7is not one of (" &
        iter_cat(constant_names, (constant_name) => "&c" & constant_name, "&7, ", "&cNo values available") &
        "&7)"
      playerNotOnline$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The player &c" & value & " &7is &cnot online"'
      playerUnknown$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The player &c" & value & " &7has &cnot played &7on this server before"'
      internalError$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&4An internal error occurred"'
      notAConsole$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&cYou can only execute this command in the console"'
      notAPlayer$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7This command can only be executed as a &cconsole"'
      malformedDouble$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The value &c" & value & " &7is not a valid &cdouble"'
      malformedFloat$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The value &c" & value & " &7is not a valid &cfloat"'
      malformedLong$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The value &c" & value & " &7is not a valid &clong"'
      malformedInteger$: 'lut["prefix"] & "&7The value &c" & value & " &7is not a valid &cinteger"'
    permissions:
      missingMessage$: 'lut["prefix"] & "You\sre lacking the permission: " & permission'
      nodes:
        command: 'raindropquests.admin.command'
        commandAdmin: 'raindropquests.admin.command.admin'
        commandBounty: 'raindropquests.admin.command.bounty'
        commandMain: 'raindropquests.admin.command.main'
        commandQuests: 'raindropquests.admin.command.quests'
        commandRanks: 'raindropquests.admin.command.ranks'

lut:
  prefix: '&8[&1Admin&8] &7'

[thorn isle]

good

[young knoll]

What's with the keys ending with $

[fathom fable]

Expressions

You can literally program inside of them

https://blvckbytes.github.io/docs-component-markup/docs/intro

awesome guy, who is pretty perfect at what hes doing with Config files

[thorn isle]

i don't like whatever that is

[fathom fable]

you just extend a java class with ```java
/*

• MIT License
• Copyright (c) 2023 BlvckBytes
• Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
• of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
• in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
• to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
• copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
• furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
• The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
• copies or substantial portions of the Software.
• THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
• IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
• FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
• AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
• LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
• OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
• SOFTWARE.
  */

package de.jexcellence.configmapper.sections;

import de.jexcellence.gpeee.interpreter.EvaluationEnvironmentBuilder;
import de.jexcellence.gpeee.interpreter.IEvaluationEnvironment;
import org.jetbrains.annotations.Nullable;

import java.lang.reflect.Field;
import java.util.*;
import java.util.function.Supplier;
import java.util.stream.Collectors;

public abstract class AConfigSection {

private static class DefaultSupplier {
private final Supplier<Object> supplier;
private final Set<String> fieldExceptions;

public DefaultSupplier(Supplier<Object> supplier, Set<String> fieldExceptions) {
  this.supplier = supplier;
  this.fieldExceptions = fieldExceptions;
}

}

private final EvaluationEnvironmentBuilder baseEnvironment;
public final IEvaluationEnvironment builtBaseEnvironment;
private final Map<Class<?>, DefaultSupplier> fieldDefaultSuppliers;

public AConfigSection(EvaluationEnvironmentBuilder baseEnvironment) {
this.fieldDefaultSuppliers = new HashMap<>();
this.baseEnvironment = baseEnvironment;
this.builtBaseEnvironment = baseEnvironment.build();
}

public EvaluationEnvironmentBuilder getBaseEnvironment() {
return baseEnvironment.duplicate();
}

/**

• Called to decide the type of Object fields at runtime,
• based on previously parsed values of that instance, as
• it's patched one field at a time. Decidable fields are
• always read last, so that they have access to other,
• known type fields in order to decide properly.
• @param field Target field in question
• @return Decided type, Object.class means skip
  */
  public @Nullable Class<?> runtimeDecide(String field) {
  return null;
  }

/**

• Called when a field wasn't found within the config and a default could be set
• @param field Target field
• @return Value to use as a default
  */
  public @Nullable Object defaultFor(Field field) {
  return null;
  }

/**

• Called when parsing of the section is completed
• and no more changes will be applied
  */

public void afterParsing(List<Field> fields) throws Exception {
for (Field field : fields) {
if (field.get(this) != null)
continue;

  DefaultSupplier defaultSupplier = fieldDefaultSuppliers.get(field.getType());

  if (defaultSupplier == null || defaultSupplier.fieldExceptions.contains(field.getName()))
    continue;

  field.set(this, defaultSupplier.supplier.get());
}

}

protected void registerFieldDefault(Class<?> type, Supplier<Object> supplier, String... fieldExceptions) {
fieldDefaultSuppliers.put(type, new DefaultSupplier(supplier, Arrays.stream(fieldExceptions).collect(Collectors.toSet())));
}
}

and it iwill automatically read, save whatever you want to do

anyway gtg

[mossy dock]

Don’t think so, no.

[pseudo hazel]

why not

[thorn isle]

you can, this is what mcmmo does as well

and it's the standard way of doing it

[native gale]

You can, I even explained exactly what permission you should set to what

Also it feels like I'm not the only one who did that

[mossy dock]

I meant like, how /fly works, you can enable it, and disable it.

[pseudo hazel]

ah

so you mean how to save information based on a player

i.e. set if a player has skills enabled or not like a preference

[worldly ingot]

They want to disable the skill upgrades people have applied. e.g. if the player unlocked skills that got them permanent +50 damage or something, they want to temporarily disable that while they're in a minigame, then re-enable it once they've stopped playing the minigame

I mentioned this yesterday, this seems like a question you should be asking in the Discord of the plugin author, which I linked yesterday

https://discord.gg/dUwtmYV

For the record, the way you're asking the question, Regris, seems to imply you just want to disable the /skill command, which isn't what you want to do. You should ask your question more clearly when in that Discord server

[young knoll]

I was getting ready to issue an advertising ban until I saw the username…

Or maybe choco is just trying to sell his new commission service 👀

[worldly ingot]

👀 Maybe

[wet breach]

easily accomplished with permissions if you know how to do groups etc. Just make a group that everyone is apart of and set its hierarchy appropriately.

for the minigame, now everyone has it disabled when they join

[worldly ingot]

Not what they want. If they just wanted to disable the menu to upgrade their skills, it would be a permission.

They want to disable all the upgrades they've already made

[wet breach]

Well not sure how the upgrades are handled, typically done via permissions

so you would just strip all those in another group specifically for the minigame

usually a bit easier if said minigame is in a different world

[worldly ingot]

If only there were a Discord where this person could ask the authors of the plugin more directly if there were permissions to control it, or to ask for a feature to be implemented to accomplish what they need. And if only there were a moderator of a Discord that sent the invite code to that server not once, but twice

✊😔 if only

[wet breach]

if only

[umbral ridge]

if only

[thorn isle]

the way mcmmo does this is it adds worldguard flags that disable/enable it in certain areas

could also be done with permissions using luckperms region contexts if the skills plugin supports that

entirely depends on the skills plugin however

there have historically been horrible hacks like perworldplugins that'd hijack other plugins' listeners, but for something like attack damage stats, that's not going to work

[young knoll]

I mean it would if they added damage via the event rather than an attribute

But that would be weird

[mighty dock]

yo is anyone good at making smp like infuse and all that kinda plugins caus ei need custom abilities and a plugin maker that is not going to charge me over 60 bucks it is a big plugin but i need someone to make a it that is great with abilities and custom weaponms like infuse that kinda stuff dm me if u can ill pay

[thorn isle]

lol

[slender elbow]

you might wanna go to kids' birthday party if you're going to pull such a clown act

[worldly ingot]

That's crazy

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[worldly ingot]

But if your budget for a custom server is 50 bucks, you're up for a rude awakening. The cost of the server host itself will probably only last you about 2 months

The cost of labour is substantially more

[thorn isle]

well, 50 bucks is 50 bucks 🤡 give me a project specification and 50 bucks

(i will put it into gemini)

[mortal hare]

i dont get it why everyone is obsessed with monorepos so much nowadays. put everything in monorepo they say... until someone needs to do access control, reinvent and manage their tooling that sits on top of already existing revolutionary package called a git "repo". Seriously wtf? just because google does it doesnt mean you should
THEY DONT EVEN USE GIT!
STOP MIMMICKING SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE FOR YOUR SCALE OF PROJECTS!

[eternal night]

https://tenor.com/bKzvL.gif

[lilac dagger]

I separated my minigames into distinct projects and if the engine gets a breaking change i have to go and recompile every minigame with the changes

I'll still stick to this approach due to how modular it is

I can put any number of minigames in any package i want which is really cool

[thorn isle]

sounds like a job for ci and something like dependabot

but yeah it definitely adds extra friction

and works only for like ABI breakage, for api breakage you still have to run around refactoring calls and shit

i think paper tried to get into some kind of automated refactoring system with a complicated name related to trees that i don't remember, but i don't think anything ever came of it

as an alternative to "just asm it at runtime bro"

because in 1000 years when someone actually gets rid of the material enum, people have to switch away from enumsets

[dry hazel]

it's called openrewrite

[smoky anchor]

\o I'll ask here too 'cause I feel ppl here are more helpful :D
Hytale changed the annotation lib. they went from checkerframework to javax.annotation
I remember I set IntelliJ to use the checkerframework by default and now I can't find the setting
Anyone know where it is ? :D
For example it affects this:

[dry hazel]

settings -> build, execution, deployment -> compiler -> add runtime assertions for notnull-annotated methods and parameters -> configure annotations...

[smoky anchor]

got it working, ty very much

[buoyant viper]

tuff

hytale discord is so Hhhh to ask for support in rn still cos its all dumbos that cant figure out how to play co op

[smoky anchor]

Well I asked in Hytale Modding
But there's still a lot of beginners

[lilac dagger]

does hytale have the server incorporated in the client like minecraft does?

[rotund ravine]

No

[lilac dagger]

in minecraft you can just open a server from within the client

i see

so they have to make a server to play together

[pseudo hazel]

I mean its kinda the same

the client world is just a server

in hytale you cant have a client in a world without a server

downloading the hytale client also downloads HytaleServer.jar, which is the server

[young knoll]

Hytale does support UPnP though

Granted it didn’t work when I tried it

[worthy prism]

Anyone here doing commisions?

[pseudo hazel]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[rich bay]

One question: When are you allowed to upload premium plugins?

[chrome beacon]

?premium

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/premium-resource-guidelines.31667/

[rich bay]

I mean plugins that cost money.

[chrome beacon]

yeah read the thread

[rich bay]

Which thread?

oh okay (:

[ancient plank]

worked for me, game released and I was immediately in a world with 2 friends :3

I love upnp

[sullen marlin]

10/10 support

[ebon igloo]

Hi,
I have an issue with BlockLocker on my Minecraft server.

The plugin correctly sends the message:
“You cannot use this block, it is protected by …”
but the chest still opens anyway.

The server is running Spigot/Bukkit (not Paper).

Is this a known issue with BlockLocker on Spigot/Bukkit, or is there a fix for this behavior?

Thanks in advance.

[drowsy helm]

this is a #help-server question. but do you have any other plugins that may impede on chest opening?

[ebon igloo]

i will send u all my plugins

[ebon igloo]

i cant send images

[drowsy helm]

?img

[undone axle]

Can't send images? That's because you're not verified! Use !verify to complete verification.
Alternatively, you can upload screenshots to any image hosting site and share the link.

Here's some screenshot utilities that you can use to upload images.
Lightshot: https://prnt.sc
Imgur: https://imgur.com/upload
Flameshot: https://flameshot.org

[drowsy helm]

just chuck it on imgur

[ebon igloo]

https://imgur.com/a/UHI8EEc

here

[drowsy helm]

Yeah nothing really stands out

I would recommend contacting the dev

[ebon igloo]

ah..

[drowsy helm]

also you are using paper

you said you're not

[ebon igloo]

im not

its just a paper plugin

[chrome beacon]

You are though 💀

[drowsy helm]

you need paper to run a paper plugin lol

[ebon igloo]

yes but we dont care

the problem is with a bukkit pluginù

[ebon igloo]

why blocklocker dont work :(((

[sullen marlin]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[drowsy helm]

paper works differently to spigot

it can affect how a plugin interacts with the server

BlockLocker has a discord on their plugin page I would highly recommend asking there

[ebon igloo]

ok thx

[delicate grotto]

Hello all, me and my son made the following plugin, and would love some feedback on it

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/nukemylocation.132110/

[chrome beacon]

Well that's a lot of reflection for no apparent reason

Also how much of that is just vibe coded 💀

[young knoll]

Oh yeah all the worldedit stuff is reflection

Maybe they didn’t know how to add dependencies at compile time so they asked the ai for a workaround…

[drowsy helm]

I would highly recommend using the world edit API

not sure why you need reflection for that

Also your plugin will most likely be removed if its for Paper only

[thorn isle]

spawning a very powerful explosion might work better with e.g. protection plugins, though if it's too large, it can become a performance issue

[slender elbow]

no such thing!

all explosions, even huge ones, complete within the timespan of one single tick

[young knoll]

Big explosions also look ugly as the ray casting system breaks down after a certain point

[native gale]

Even the description is vibecoded

[vast ledge]

It's completely vibe coded with ChatGPT seeing from the fact that the file paths are included at the top of each file

[fallow hawk]

"NukeMyLocation – A true large-scale nuclear blast plugin for Paper"

Well I guess it isn't that bad

[young knoll]

Looking at the source I don’t think it uses any paper specific code

[fallow hawk]

Is the github loading for yall

[young knoll]

And it has a regular plugin.yml

So it’ll probably run on spigot

[fallow hawk]

Yeah it should

Apart from the reflection it seems fine even if vibe coded

[somber kelp]

Hello! I dowloaded plugin and TotalVirus flag it what I can do now?

Can i add on srv?

[chrome beacon]

Antivirus software is generally very bad at scanning jar files

If you're worried you can send the link for the plugin here

[somber kelp]

ImageOnMap

From spigot

[chrome beacon]

Yeah that one is fine

[somber kelp]

Okay, Thanks!

[lilac dagger]

optic's plugin is the better option here

[thorn isle]

they finally updated imageonmap?

incredible

i remember dropping it like 5 years ago because their horrid, colossal nms "core library" didn't look like it would ever get an update

[buoyant viper]

optic has an image map plugin?

u usually use LOOPH's ImageFrame

oh wait Map

duh, not expressly the same

[lilac dagger]

no i meant to check for viruses

or rather force ops and such

i should've been more specific, my bad

[olive lance]

Before ai we had help development before help development we had irc

[buoyant viper]

all of which we have to tell people to ask in Paper

[twin kiln]

Ok, so this may be a very dumb idea, but im not sure:
I wana have some 'permision system', but /op wont do, so i remove the default /op, give everyone max and then accept or deny for example place block requests based on a custom permission system, and make the server not send that surtain commands exist (like /whitelist and /stop) to pepole without the permission.
Is this a very bad idea or is it a good one? And if its bad, how would you do it instead?
So a very clear goal: i need to give players permissions, but the 0-7 system in ops.json or whatever its called wont do, i need like /perm <player> <permToGive> for pepole with the perm for that, with the server itself having every perm ofc.

[smoky anchor]

Spigot has its own permission system, use that instead of reinventing the wheel

[twin kiln]

🤯

lol

[rotund ravine]

Just use luckperms

Easy api

Easy editor

Easy everything

[twin kiln]

Wait i remember fabric server having that too, is that the same thing or something different? (and yes i know that this is the spigot discord, not fabricmc)

[hybrid spoke]

so we basically flood a lot of people over to paper, effectively killing this chat

[twin kiln]

but anyway, is that solution good or bad, ignoring that its already implemented

[hybrid spoke]

i mean, that really just sounds like the industrial standard. providing permissions for specific actions

[wet breach]

Spigot has api to create a permission system. The default is minecrafts limited op level permission.

[twin kiln]

yea, but like i can imagine that giving everyone max op is not a good idea, but if i deny non-allowed packets its good?

[hybrid spoke]

oh wait, you want to give everyone op?

[wet breach]

Just use luckperms or groupmanager

[buoyant viper]

u see, we send them away because they come here already trying to use Paper server or api

[wet breach]

Both deny perms by default unless given

[twin kiln]

thats what i said in my first message lol

[twin kiln]

this

[hybrid spoke]

rational but counterproductive

[hybrid spoke]

just.. don't. stores also don't give everyone manager permission, just because there is a sign with "DO NOT ENTER"

you want to just limit their actions, not grant them full access AND THEN limit their actions

[twin kiln]

mkay, ill get to work i guess

[acoustic pendant]

Hey, i'm trying to set ghost blocks only a player can see by using the sendBlockChange() method, however when a player interacts with this blocks they dissapear, how can I make so they do not dissapear if a player interacts with them?

[chrome beacon]

You need to capture the packet that the client sends using ProtocolLib or PacketEvents

You can take a look at how it's implemented in CombatLogX

[acoustic pendant]

I'd prefer not to use those options

Do I need to use packets no matter what?

[slender elbow]

yes, because the server will otherwise send back the current existing block

[acoustic pendant]

What about the InteractListener? Isn't that the same?

[slender elbow]

no, the server will still send the block data back

[acoustic pendant]

I can send the block change again tho

[slender elbow]

sure, i mean you will see the real block flash before you get the fake one again

and you'd also need to account for other environmental factors that resend the real block that aren't just interacting with it directly

which also depends on what the real block is

[acoustic pendant]

I was thinking to put the player in adventure mode whenever they get inside these blocks so, I think that would fix it

[acoustic pendant]

Oh, there are another factors? Didn't know that

I guess I'll use packets then

[thorn isle]

iirc the server also sends the whole chunk you're in occasionally, so you might have to filter the MAP_CHUNK packet or follow it with another block change also

[distant cosmos]

How did you guys learn the bukkit api? By reading the javadocs?

[chrome beacon]

Javadoc and reading other projects source code

And youtube videos

A bit of everything really

[lilac dagger]

spigot forum helps too if you're in a pinch

[hybrid spoke]

learning by doing

"how do i...", "what if i just...", "is it possible to..."

[halcyon light]

Am I allowed to publish a pluign that uses the paper api on SpigotMC?

[chrome beacon]

Plugins on Spigotmc should run on Spigot

[halcyon light]

That's what I figured. What should I do if I want to migrate an existing plugin from spigot api to paper api? Can I still keep the resource up with a disclaimer on newer versions, and have those newer version downloads as links to another platform?

[lilac dagger]

i don't think so

you could maybe add support for spigot as well

unless there's something missing in the spigot api

[halcyon light]

Hm, I dont really want to maintain two versions.

For the features I want to implement I would need the paper api

[lilac dagger]

you can have a paper/spigot module

[halcyon light]

What do you mean by that?

[lilac dagger]

i use their command registry system since they broke the command map way

this is a paper module

[halcyon light]

Oh I see. I'll have to look more into that, thank you

Do you or anyone else know where I can find official rules on this though? Because I also wouldn't mind just migrating to paper and another platform, but still having my resource up on spigot with a disclaimer to find new versions on another platform.

[lilac dagger]

i don't no

[worldly ingot]

Anything posted on Spigot should still work on Spigot

[halcyon light]

Makes sense, thank you Choco.

[buoyant viper]

oh shit i thought u were @mortal vortex bc i saw the pompompurin pfp

[vast ledge]

Same xD

[chrome beacon]

same 💀

[vast ledge]

Today I learned I recognize most people here via pfp

[pseudo hazel]

makes sense, usually I remember peoples names by their faces

[dawn flower]

why can't i change the yaw of an armorstand and right after change its pose?
⁨⁨⁨```java
lookAt(knight, enemy);
Vector direction = knight.getLocation().getDirection().multiply(0.2);
Location location = knight.getLocation().add(direction);
location.setPitch(0);
knight.teleport(location);
animator.update();

default void lookAt(ArmorStand stand, Entity target) {
Location standLoc = stand.getLocation();
Location targetLoc = target.getLocation();

double dx = targetLoc.getX() - standLoc.getX();
double dz = targetLoc.getZ() - standLoc.getZ();

float yaw = (float) Math.toDegrees(Math.atan2(-dx, dz));

standLoc.setYaw(yaw);
standLoc.setPitch(0);

stand.teleport(standLoc);

}

⁨⁨⁨``update``⁩⁩⁩ changes the armorstand's pose. everything in this works except the fact that it looks in a different direction. i know ⁨⁨⁨`lookAt`⁩⁩⁩ isn't the problem because ⁨⁨⁨``yaw``⁩⁩⁩ in it is -90 which is correct

[lilac dagger]

why's dx negative?

i think it's the -dx that changes the yaw

or is not applied at all?

[dawn flower]

I checked in the debugger and the yaw it outputs -90 which is correct, but the armorstand's yaw is 0

[lilac dagger]

hmm, maybe try nms

[dawn flower]

it's weird, sometimes it looks in a 45 degree angle and sometimes 0

[lilac dagger]

try putting different yaws to the stand

static values

too see if teleport actually works as expected

if not you might have to use nms

[dawn flower]

nope, tried hardcoding -90 but still. i'll look into nms

[lilac dagger]

this is what i use to convert a vector to yaw

if you're getting negative yaw when it's positive in f3 you can put the sign before Math.atan2

doing it in vector changes the direction of the vector

[dawn flower]

i just tried manually stepping the loop and it looks in the right direction

[lilac dagger]

well, you can try in a different part of the world where the coords are negated

try where the x coord is negated

[dawn flower]

for some reason if you make a 1 tick timer that constantly teleports an entity to different locations (e.g. forward) and change its yaw at the same time, it will ignore the yaw change and only move forward until it stops which is when it will apply the changed yaw

it will keep that behavior until around 15 ticks

[dawn flower]

replicating it with commands works flawlessly

[lilac dagger]

good to know

i remember having to do something similar to villagers on 1.8.8

i had to set the look controller to where i wanted to look and apply a very small vector change to actually apply

what about that sign

did you move it outside?

[dawn flower]

the minus? that's not the problem, the problem is the armorstand is refusing to rotate while moving

[lilac dagger]

alright

[dawn flower]

the only difference i can think of between the commands and the plugin is that ⁨setRotation⁩ in NMS changes variables in the entity class rather than changing the entity directly whereas the commands directly change the entity's rotation

[lilac dagger]

are you using 1.8.8?

[dawn flower]

1.21.11

[lilac dagger]

ah

on 1.8.8 i had to do this

[dawn flower]

controllerlook?

[lilac dagger]

yup

but not on armorstand

[dawn flower]

ah

[lilac dagger]

it's not a creature

hmm

what about this nms for 1.21.11?

armor stand has these

[dawn flower]

Which class is that in?

[lilac dagger]

it's mojmaps

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[lilac dagger]

use way back machine

[dawn flower]

⁨ <dependency> <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId> <artifactId>spigot</artifactId> <version>1.21.11-R0.2-SNAPSHOT</version> <classifier>remapped-mojang</classifier> <scope>provided</scope> </dependency>⁩

can't find it

[lilac dagger]

don't forget the remapper

but Mob is a bukkit class

[dawn flower]

found this

[lilac dagger]

this one

look for head rotation too

is that spigot mappings?

[dawn flower]

that's the remapped-mojang one

[lilac dagger]

ah perfect

[dawn flower]

this?

[lilac dagger]

ah no

just apply the code i gave

it's my own code

[dawn flower]

alright

nope didn't work

i need something to directly add nbt to the armorstand

[lilac dagger]

maybe you need to send a packet then

[dawn flower]

how would i do that with nms?

[lilac dagger]

well, i'm pretty sure there's a rotate head packet

[dawn flower]

or protocollib/packetevents to keep things cleaner

[dawn flower]

i'll look into it

[lilac dagger]

i haven't used those, but it should be pretty similar

i found this in nms

[dawn flower]

why is it asking for a byte though?

[lilac dagger]

wait, let me check

byte b2 = Mth.packDegrees(this.entity.getYHeadRot());

i guess there's no reason to send a 32 bit when it comes to 180 to -180

[dawn flower]

and how do i send it?

[lilac dagger]

just put the degreess as byte

[dawn flower]

i mean send the packet

[lilac dagger]

((CraftPlayer) player).getHandle().connection.send(new ClientboundRotateHeadPacket(Entity, byte yawdegrees));

[dawn flower]

same result

[lilac dagger]

oh wow

not expected

i'm not sure then without checking your code

[dawn flower]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[dawn flower]

https://pastes.dev/r1bJROE0Ur

[lilac dagger]

What do you do to move the entity?

[dawn flower]

⁨```java
Location location = knight.getLocation();
Vector direction = location.getDirection().multiply(0.2);
location = location.add(direction);
knight.teleport(location);

adding ⁨location.setYaw⁩ won't work

[lilac dagger]

Hmm

I'll try to see for myself

[dawn flower]

i did it!

sending the position and rotation in one packet fixed it

[robust helm]

what event gets called on anvil land? (falling anvil block -> anvil block)

EntityChangeBlockEvent works but doesn't give context on damage caused to hit players or other related info

[dawn flower]

You can use ⁨⁨EntityDamageEvent⁩⁩ and checking if the cause is ⁨⁨FALLING_BLOCK⁩⁩

[robust helm]

hmm but that only works if the anvil hits someone

i want to make increase the anvil damage radius

[dawn flower]

use ⁨⁨EntityChangeBlockEvent⁩⁩ and damage every entity in x radius of the spawned block

[robust helm]

yeah sounds like the only good solution

ill have to find how to calculate the damaage though

[dawn flower]

2 * (blocks fallen - 1)

no clue how you will find the blocks fallen

maybe you can keep monitoring the anvil from the second it spawns until it hits the ground

[robust helm]

eeh its whatever

sadly now it doesnt respect Anvil#maxDamage etc.

but im just coding something silly anyways

thanks

[dawn flower]

yw

⁨⁨@lilac dagger⁩⁩ sorry for ping; is it safe to send a move+rotate packet every tick for each "minion"? there will be around 30 "minions" per player (possibly more)

that's 600 packets per tick at only 20 players

[thorn isle]

every entity sends a position/rotation packet every tick to every nearby player anyway

even if they don't move

so you're not doing anything the game isn't already doing

it does scale terribly, but computers are fast

[lilac dagger]

You should look into lowering that a bit

Do you change the yaw every tick?

[dawn flower]

no but the entity moves every tick

[nocturne wing]

interesting

[lilac dagger]

But there's no rotation and position packet in one

[nocturne wing]

also i've never seen anyone do this before but

did you know that the entity motion is completely out of sync with the client?

the server doesn't know what the client's motion values are

in order to fix it and make it 1:1 with the client

we can run the same encode/decode for velocity which client runs

so that the next tick

it's 1:1 with the client

[lilac dagger]

Ah yeah

[dawn flower]

also now i ran into another problem

[lilac dagger]

Otherwise it'd look weird when it lags

I remember playing dbd and when my internet turned off the killer kept going forward

[dawn flower]

since the movement is completely clientside now, doing ⁨Entity#getLocation⁩ returns the original location

[nocturne wing]

yea

[dawn flower]

is there a way to change the location of an entity on the server but without actually sending a packet to the player?

[nocturne wing]

not rlly afaik

[thorn isle]

change it normally and drop the packet with e.g. protocollib

[dawn flower]

you can drop packets?!

[thorn isle]

most packets yes

some packets like block break and block break ack involve sync numbers that have to be ordered and have to match, and dropping those can fuck the client state

but dropping entity movement packets is fine

[nocturne wing]

ngl

the amount of % of tick time plib takes is crazy

packet events 🔥

[thorn isle]

most efficient way is to inject into the netty pipeline yourself, depend on nms to see the actual packet objects passing through it, and dropping them there

but generally just protocollib is fine and is much easier to get into

[lilac dagger]

^ that's what i'd do

[dawn flower]

are you referring to packetevents, injecting into netty pipeline or protocollib?

[nocturne wing]

cross version support gets messy

[lilac dagger]

Injecting into netty

[thorn isle]

cross version support is always messy

[dawn flower]

difference? (packetevents)

[lilac dagger]

What if instead of applying a vector you simulate the trajectory and set the position manually in the entity via code and let the server handle the packets naturally?

[thorn isle]

what is he trying to do again?

[lilac dagger]

Make the entity look at a position while moving

[dawn flower]

armorstand to be specific

[lilac dagger]

Yup

[thorn isle]

what's with all this clientside velocity prediction

[lilac dagger]

While applying the vector the entity doesn't change where it can look

Even with a rotate entity packet

[dawn flower]

try making task that runs every tick that moves an armorstand forward but in the same loop try changing the entity's yaw

nothing will work

[lilac dagger]

I just have generators in bedwars and i change position every tick (in the entity's tick method)

And also rotate it

[thorn isle]

i don't think there should be anything stopping you from changing the yaw

[lilac dagger]

If instead of applying a vector direction and instead set new positions gradually there's no prediction

Well, i can't tell without running a small test

It also sounds weird to me since entities do move head when they are kb ie a player

[dawn flower]

well there shouldn't but it completely ignores it if you try or moves halfway to the yaw you asked it to

[lilac dagger]

I also don't like that - in the dx inside the atan2

I have a rotate mace plugin made for a friend and i used atan2 to point the mace's tail toward a player

And i used - outside the atan2 to match mojang

[nocturne wing]

i have a question

how would one implement arena rollback in 1,21+

i have no prior experience with modern

[lilac dagger]

My favorite type of rollback is to store block states in an array deque

It works on all versions from 1.8.8 to latest

You just have to do a little leg work to track all those changes but it's worth it

[zealous scroll]

Is there a way I can distinguish from an organic EntityDamageByEntity event and one generated by LivingEntity#attack

[lilac dagger]

I don't think so 🤔

Attack simulates an actual attack

But if you do the attack you can turn a flag saying you'll trigger a simulated attack

And the next entity damage event can be ignored

Since it's all synched it'll be a perfect way to solve it

[nocturne wing]

yeah

the use entity packet

[zealous scroll]

thats also what i found

[lilac dagger]

Attack and taking damage client side, possible

But if you have control over the attack you can do the flag thing

[echo basalt]

you can always do the evil hack of adding that entity id to a set, calling attack and checking it

[potent crescent]

Is there a way to change the color like that in the same message?

[echo basalt]

otherwise either packet listening OR bytecode manipulation

[echo basalt]

core shaders

[lilac dagger]

Resend the whole message as often as you want taking over the screen

If it's a small message just pad it with empty text

Minecraft atm isn't a linux terminal 🙁

[potent crescent]

Nah its a bad way it will make lag in the server

[lilac dagger]

Unless they added some new effect to text components

[potent crescent]

I dont think so

[lilac dagger]

Well it's laggy, but it's the only way to do it as far as i know

But for tests or controled uses this is fine

It's just 30 messages

Not should what's the max visible text size

[lilac dagger]

Can you use these on spigot servers?

[echo basalt]

it's a resourcepack thing

[lilac dagger]

Oh wow

That's amazing

I didn't know

[mighty dock]

anyone good at making ability plugins neeed someone to do me one i ahve it written out already just need someone to make it if ur also good at making coomand plugins i need somone that can do that to i will PAY

DM ME IF U CAN

[chrome beacon]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[buoyant viper]

the day we get an Edit Message packet will go Crazy

[lilac dagger]

I agree

Or more text components

Sounds easier

[young knoll]

I mean, you can delete messages

But I think it only works with signed ones

[echo basalt]

ah good ol' ability plugins

[buoyant viper]

started working on one and then never got around to the unlock system for them LOL

i should update that

[echo basalt]

I did a full one at work

active abilities, passive abilities

it's basically just reactive events + metadata neatly tied

[lilac dagger]

There's also a structure api

[echo basalt]

@buoyant viper here's some code if you want inspiration ig

[elfin gale]

Please help me i'm going insane, some player desync issue on my server. Even AI wasn't able to fix. Paper 1.21.11

please private message me and i'll make a clip if possible

[chrome beacon]

I recommend you head over to the Paper discord

[elfin gale]

okay bye

[grave sandal]

hello there

can somebody help me coding?

[chrome beacon]

?ask

[undone axle]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

[buoyant viper]

it's so crazy how this must be said so often

[mortal vortex]

Did you figure it out though? Looks interesting. But I imagine its just spamming a new line each time, and pushing the old message up, and the new message has the color shifted once over.

[sly topaz]

Servers usually do that by using core shaders, spamming chat will work but at the cost of being really annoying

[grim hound]

simple as

and just do a gradient over time

could probably conjure it up rather quickly

[mortal vortex]

not even a proper answer dude

[grim hound]

I mean

people have already said it's core shaders

[grim hound]

so uh, update: mojang broke it in 1.21.6

before then text rendered normally each frame

now it renders once

and isn't really re-rendered

I mean, it kind of is, but not each frame

[potent crescent]

Sadly no , ik this way but imagine 30+ players sends messages in the same time

[grim hound]

before like 1.21.6/7 something like that it's just a gradient

[pure dagger]

how to save the structures as Strings though? using SNBT?

[umbral ridge]

is it possible to make links clickable in kick menu?

is text interactable at all?

[chrome beacon]

I don't think so

[umbral ridge]

alright

[grim hound]

Can you guys still use Libby

Can't get it to be found on any maven rep

The AlessioDP fork

[chrome beacon]

It's still on the repo

https://repo.alessiodp.com/#/releases/net/byteflux/libby-bukkit

[grim hound]

There was a 2.0.0 version released

Also, IJ doesn't load it as valid

[chrome beacon]

It's not on their maven repo

so yeah

Only up to 1.3.1 is

Wait they changed the group id for 2.0.0

but yeah 2.0.0 is not on their maven

[grim hound]

using basic core shaders

goddamnit discord

https://streamable.com/fc0s3m

[lilac dagger]

that's so cool, but can you apply it to only some text?

[grim hound]

(GameTime isn't properly updated in 1.21.6/7 or smthg, or maybe it's the redraws never happening, so this is at 1.21.4)

[grim hound]

yeah probably

creating some kind of magic signature

[lilac dagger]

good if true

[grim hound]

I'm not sure if I can read the previous characters

[thorn isle]

mkv

[grim hound]

but if I could, I'd

[mortal hare]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40497061
internet: USE microservices, jwt's, distributed computing, decentralized authorization!
meanwhile tech giants: centralized computing, modules, and stateful tokens

unscaled

Here's the thing: neither Google, nor Facebook is using JWT for their access or refresh tokens. The only place they use JWT, as far as I know, is for the ID Token in their Open ID Connect Flow, since this is a mandatory (and terribly misguided) part of the spec.I keep seeing the idea that JWT was designed for Google or Facebook scale being repea...

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[thorn isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3AI1kTIR4

AWS is 10x slower than a dedicated server for the same price

ruh roh, you must use stateless horizontally scalable microshlop

what do you mean you can just put it in the box?

[lament hill]

How can I cancel rightclicking on clientsided blocks? I can't seem to get a location from USE_ITEM or USE_ITEM_ON

I only want to cancel clicks in a specefic area

[thorn isle]

use item on should have the location of the block the item is used on

[lament hill]

But the block is air due to it being a clientsided block

[thorn isle]

shouldn't matter for the location

[lament hill]

Hmm Ill try, thanks

[plush rivet]

plugins can be developed against CraftBukkit alone right?

[drowsy helm]

I mean if you want, sure

but there is absolutely 0 reason to do that

[plush rivet]

ok but hypothetically I am in a position where I can only do that (beta versions)

[drowsy helm]

yeah, you can

[plush rivet]

would it be version specific?

[drowsy helm]

wdym?

[mortal vortex]

Would the binary produced be specific to the version compiled against*

Like NMS

I believe that is his question

[ember glen]

probably

[lilac dagger]

Older Craftbukkit builds are versioned

[umbral ridge]

is it possible to "stall" the AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent

eg. do something async, and then continue the event

eg. pull player data from the db (async), and then continue with the event

eg.: if player data is loading 2 seconds, I don't want it to complete after the player already joins the game

[chrome beacon]

Pull from db sync in the event

The event is already async so it won't run on the main thread

[onyx fjord]

Yeah block the thread pretty much

[umbral ridge]

alright thanks

[robust helm]

chat when should i use observer pattern and when use the bukkit event bus?

for example i reset the map-cycle-timer that automatically changes the map every 10minutes, whenever the /forcemap command is used. I could listen to my MapChangeEvent or do mapManager.addObserver(this)

[drowsy helm]

Observer pattern is pretty seldom used here.
Use event bus if you plan on exposing a public api. If not it’s just a preference thing

But I would say use event bus, since you already have the system at your disposal

[robust helm]

tyy

[grim hound]

is it possible to remove the Mojang loading screen when a resource pack is applied?

like it just, happens

[grim hound]

some packet or resource pack magic, maybe?

[chrome beacon]

For what reason?

[slender elbow]

with a client mod sure

also

or resource pack magic
meaning.. you'd need to apply a resource pack to get rid of the resource pack loading screen? that doesn't make a whole lotta sense

[thorn isle]

packet magic no, since the thing is client side

resource pack magic yes (just make the texture transparent) but as noted that's kind of putting the cart before the horse

it'd only make sense if you're repeatedly reloading the resource pack, since the transparent texture would still be in from the previous loading of it

there is a client mod that does this however, https://modrinth.com/mod/rrls

it's still a little bit fucked because things like your chat input get reset at some point during the assets reload

[placid rivet]

how to make commands on paper 1.21.10 since i can't use yaml?

[chrome beacon]

Sounds like a question for the Paper discord

[placid rivet]

👍

[orchid brook]

Hi Is there a way to detect a left-click on a distant BlockDisplay using ray tracing?

[mortal vortex]

BlockDisplay dont have collision

Vector start = player.getEyeLocation().toVector();
Vector direction = player.getLocation().getDirection();

RayTraceResult result = player.getWorld().rayTraceEntities(
    player.getEyeLocation(),
    direction,
    maxDistance, // define this wtv double
    0.5, // cus there isnt a bounding box
    entity -> entity instanceof BlockDisplay
);

[orchid brook]

This should work ?

[mortal vortex]

probably?

wrap it in an event

then check entity

if it didnt work i wouldnt send it

[orchid brook]

Im gonna try thank

I heard that some people sometime use slime for the hitbox

[mortal vortex]

oh u could

[orchid brook]

One last question I see more and more plugins making TextDisplay clickable from far away, but as far as I know TextDisplay has no collision. Do you have any idea how they do it?

nvm i found it

[thorn isle]

Use an Interaction entity

[pure dagger]

whe doesnt YamlConfiguration have a constructor like this with defaults?

[slender elbow]

you can just .setDefaults that's basically what that ctor does anyway

[autumn zinc]

How to change block state by coordinates in ClientboundLevelChunkWithLightPacket 1.20.1?

[wet breach]

YamlConfiguration extends FileConfiguration. Therefore it would be redundant

[slender elbow]

what

it is not redundant if the constructor doesn't exist

[wet breach]

it means you can feed fileconfiguration into yamlconfiguration which can have defaults

therefore redundant. Extending means it takes from the base and well extends it, not makes something new base wise therefore everything available in fileconfiguration is available in yamlconfiguration unless overridden

[slender elbow]

YamlConfig does not have a constructor taking defaults

you cannot call something that does not exist

it only has a no-args ctor

[wet breach]

guess its too much for you

it extends fileconfiguration therefore everything available from there is available in yamlconfiguration

this includes feeding configuration defaults

if you can't figure out how to go from fileconfiguration to yamlconfiguration then it seems you are forgetting basics

or you forgot the purpose of extending if you are just going to implement the same in the extended class which makes it well... redundant

if you are just going to implement it there, then no use in extending to begin with

[thorn isle]

Constructors are not part of inheritance

YamlConfiguration doesn't inherit the constructor from FileConfiguration

So while yamlconfiguration does inherit the setDefaults method, there is no constructor that directly provides defaults

[wet breach]

if you feed FileConfiguration configuration defaults, and then feed that into yamlconfiguration you will have your defaults

alternatively you can use https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/configuration/file/YamlConfiguration.html#options()

which does the same thing but is a convenience method

[thorn isle]

That's not what the question was about

[wet breach]

its basics really

not sure what the hang up is on this

or are people just that incredibly dumb?

[thorn isle]

This is the hangup because it just kind of isn't right

Setting aside that many subclasses do override to deprecate/disable superclass behavior (think immutable collections), it isn't immediately clear from this that you are talking about the "copy constructor"

[wet breach]

but it is true.....everything available in fileconfiguration is available in yamlconfiguration. Both YamlConfiguration and FileConfiguration implement Configuration

[thorn isle]

Except the constructors; problem is you're not mentioning the copy constructor

[wet breach]

its not needed

[thorn isle]

It sounds like you're saying that you can call the fileconfig constructor that takes defaults through the yamlconfig constructor, despite there being no such constructor overload on yamlconfig

[wet breach]

do you not know how to go from base to child classes or something?

seems people don't learn basics

[thorn isle]

Try calling the Object constructor from the YamlConfiguration class

[wet breach]

but aside from that, its not needed as there is a method already available for what they are wanting

[wet breach]

so the answer is no you don't know how

got it

[thorn isle]

🤡 my brother in christ

[wet breach]

this seems to be why people fail to understand

[thorn isle]

You can't tell the yamlconfig constructor which fileconfig constructor it should call

It will call the constructor it wants to call; you can't affect this behavior externally

[wet breach]

if you don't know how to traverse between extending classes then you failed at basics

simple as that

[rough ibex]

These insults are just completely unnecessary

[wet breach]

don't care

[rough ibex]

clearly

[wet breach]

if you take it as an insult that is your perogative not mine

[rough ibex]

okay

[thorn isle]

    public YamlConfiguration() {
        yamlDumperOptions = new DumperOptions();
        yamlDumperOptions.setDefaultFlowStyle(DumperOptions.FlowStyle.BLOCK);
        yamlLoaderOptions = new LoaderOptions();
        yamlLoaderOptions.setMaxAliasesForCollections(Integer.MAX_VALUE); // SPIGOT-5881: Not ideal, but was default pre SnakeYAML 1.26
        yamlLoaderOptions.setCodePointLimit(Integer.MAX_VALUE); // SPIGOT-7161: Not ideal, but was default pre SnakeYAML 1.32
        yamlLoaderOptions.setNestingDepthLimit(100); // SPIGOT-7906: The default limit (50) can be easily reached with nested bundles

        constructor = new YamlConstructor(yamlLoaderOptions);
        representer = new YamlRepresenter(yamlDumperOptions);
        representer.setDefaultFlowStyle(DumperOptions.FlowStyle.BLOCK);

        yaml = new Yaml(constructor, representer, yamlDumperOptions, yamlLoaderOptions);
    }

which FileConfiguration constructor does this constructor call?

the answer is it calls the implicit no-args super()

you cannot tell it to call FileConfiguration(Configuration defaults)

because this is the only constructor on YamlConfiguration

therefore there is no code path that will take you from YamlConfiguration::new to any line of code in the FileConfiguration(Configuration defaults) constructor

therefore you cannot use the FileConfiguration constructor that takes defaults to construct a YamlConfiguration

as noted by emily like 1000 comments ago, there is a setDefaults which it inherits, but the question is about the constructor, of which there is none

[wet breach]

so you don't know how to traverse the classes

got it

that is all you had to say and it would make sense in why you are failing to grasp in why I say it is redundant especially given the fact that there is a method provided to load configurations

[rough ibex]

of course, lowly peasant. It makes complete sense for why a mind such as yours would fail to grasp the most basic and simple concepts, of which i will not explain or justify my reasoning towards! as your brain is too feeble to begin to see the logic in my thoughts. I should not even waste my time explaining my obviously correct position to you, as i know you would never get it, and that is sinply too obvious. and if you cant get it, well... harumph! well, jolly good show of clownery. ta taaa

[wet breach]

seems you have nothing better to do 😉

however, no one asked for me to explain anything either. Nor does everything warrant an explanation or just because I make a comment means it must always be accompanied by an explicit one

but clearly you want to explain right?

[thorn isle]

sorry frosty my boy, you done did be dumb this time

[wet breach]

if you say so but it appears people don't know how to traverse between parent and child classes

[thorn isle]

i assure you everybody involved in this conversation has a pretty good grasp of what it means that yamlconfig is-a fileconfig

[young knoll]

No but you see

Clearly you don’t know how to traverse between child and parent classes

And frost clearly does and will kindly explain it for you

[slender elbow]

except the constructors

[slender elbow]

you don't "go" from FileConfig to YamlConfig, you call the constructor on YamlConfig, the only one there is, that does not take a Configuration defaults argument

[pure dagger]

Lol

I don't know what he means actually

What is traversing

[slender elbow]

he doesn't mean anything because he doesn't understand the problem and is spewing bs

[limber marten]

Hey guys, what lightweight npc lib do you guys recommend me to use for 1.21.11 pls? I tried https://github.com/juliarn/npc-lib but idk if there's another one

ideally I want to shade it, but if I can't its fine

[young knoll]

Just use the new mannequin entities

[lilac dagger]

Awesome 😮

[buoyant viper]

fuuuccckkk i need to get around to experimenting with those

[thorn isle]

they don't offer much of anything new i don't think

one thing that is new with them is that you can use a resourcepack asset for their skin, but i think that might also be doable with playerprofile now on players, i'm not 100% sure

[young knoll]

I mean, it means you don't need to do any jank with a player entity

[thorn isle]

i suppose, but everyone and their grandma has been using something like libsdisguises or npc-lib or citizens for them anyway, so that's not new either

in most cases you will still end up needing one of those for the ai side of the npc

it does mean that the internals in those libs are probably going to be cleaner

and that you can raw-dog it easier yourself, but i still wouldn't recommend it

definitely a good addition from mojang though, i'm not arguing against that; spawning fake players has always been a horrible mess

[umbral ridge]

you can always do everything by yourself and end up with something you actually understand and like more

[latent moon]

im building my own plugin-development-"team", if anyone wants to join me: "https://simplepluginz.de" there is everything like dc, github etc

[thorn isle]

give me a lot of money

[latent moon]

bro its for people who just want to code some plugins, its not paid😂

[lilac dagger]

i'm not sure what i was doing before, but does anyone know how to have jdk show sources and documentation in intellij? I tried this

i have openjdk from the apt package manager

[ivory sleet]

i think so ye

[lilac dagger]

i think i found something

[slender elbow]

did you install openjdk-sources or whatever?

[lilac dagger]

not yet

where do i find them?

https://github.com/openjdk/jdk i hope i don't have to zip this

ohh

awesome

i'll install them right away

yas

got it

thank you

[ivory sleet]

i dont wna necro post this, but exactly do you mean by this, im just curious, maybe there's something I could learn ive missed ^^

[wet breach]

Currently at work now. But when i get home i will come back to this.

[sullen marlin]

I always just install this as it brings in the jdk too haha

[mortal vortex]

i literally dont even know how to install JDK, I just get Prism Launcher to do it.

I also have no idea how to query all my JDK installs on Windows, so I also just open up Prism Launcher, go to the "Detected Java installs" and copy the paths 😭

[buoyant viper]

i just manually install my JDKs 😭😭😭

[lilac dagger]

That's good to know 😄

On windows i just install them manually and set the path to them

Except jre 8 which i just download the installer

[molten hearth]

Well the problem is you probably have a normal one and you probably have another 20 managed by applications

I have one jdk installed then 10 installed by a jdk manager then a bunch from IJ then a bunch from mc probably

[onyx fjord]

U can see them all with alternatives

If properly installed

[lilac dagger]

Yeah, you can use 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' to switch between versions

[lilac dagger]

On windows you can just search for path

[chrome beacon]

You can use the path on Linux as well?

or did I misunderstand what you meant 🤷‍♂️

[wet breach]

so in the case of earlier the reason I said it was redundant is because fileconfiguration is abstract and yamlconfiguration extends it and thus is a concrete subclass. In regards from going between classes that are extended, to go from parent to child also known as downcasting you have to do an Explicit cast. If you want to go from child to parent, you have to do an implicit cast also known as upcasting.

//Implicit cast or upcasting
Parent p = new Child();
p.show(); // Calls the overridden child method
//Explicit cast or downcasting
Child c = (Child) p;
c.specificChildMethod(); // Now you can access child-specific methods

This is not typically ideal but is generally how you go about it if you have no other way. However in the case of what was being talked to specifically. FileConfiguration is abstract and thus can't be instantiated directly, thus the whole constructor deal is moot because it is only there to initialize fields. Yamlconfiguration can be instantiated directly and it has nothing in the constructor and this is done on purpose because it isn't synchronized. It also allows you to re-use the object as well by loading or unloading whatever configurations you want. If you really need the base class then you would just upcast. And if you need to call the constructor for some reason you can use super((parameters)). Since we can use super and the super class is abstract, it is generally wise that a no-argument constructor be provided otherwise super().whatever will fail at compilation.

FileConfiguration config = new YamlConfiguration();

learning casting to me is pretty basic. Maybe super() could be classed a bit above beginner as well as abstract classes but that is an entirely different topic I suppose.

think that covers everything, doubt any of this you didn't know with the exception of the specifics of those two classes maybe

Also, if someone is not happy with yamlconfiguration then you could just extend fileconfiguration yourself and implement your own configuration class

that is the more ideal solution since we are not avoiding the whole polymorphism and OOP stuff by just casting everywhere lol

also to further note on why yamlconfiguration has no argument constructor is also because child classes call parent constructors automatically

if the child has no-argument constructor, it calls the no-argument constructor of parent

since there is an implicit call to super() that is added during compiling

it can be problematic if we are forcing initialization of fields of the parent if they are not needed

and as I stated earlier if you do need them, just use super to call the argument constructor

now maybe it is more clear where I said it is redundant ?

[onyx fjord]

not exactly development help - but is there an intellij extension that makes spaces appear smaller (simulating tab behavior)

for example for 4 spaces trimming the last one to appear as 3

[wet breach]

turning spaces into tabs based on number of spaces?

[onyx fjord]

somewhere like that

[wet breach]

could you not define that in a template?

in netbeans I can configure something like that in the templating or formatting rules

[slender elbow]

i mean yeah that's correct and all except that YamlConfig still has no constructor that lets you pass the Configuration defaults despite the fact that FileConfig does, if YamlConfig does not you can't create a YamlConfig instance with it

[mortal vortex]

it does tho.

[slender elbow]

class Base {
  Base() {}
  Base(int i) {}
}
class Derived extends Base {
  Derived() {}
}

Derived does not get an "implicit" Derived(int i) ctor, so you can't call new Derived(123)

[slender elbow]

it does not

[mortal vortex]

was revealed to me in a dream

[slender elbow]

i'm sure it was

[mortal vortex]

ty

[wet breach]

it would if a method in base uses it or field and thus its a matter of calling super to either the method or super to constructor with arguments

[mortal vortex]

i think ur status is very valid in this situation, i dont think either of u are going to agree here.

[slender elbow]

what

[wet breach]

reason here in the api is because its not enforcing loading a file everytime

[slender elbow]

literally just look at this https://java.godbolt.org/z/e5nWaGGYv

it does not get that ctor generated

period

what does loading a file have to do with anything

you just wanna specify the defaults

[slender elbow]

i forgot to add extends Base but you can just add that and see how it does not get an "implicit Derived(int)" constructor

https://java.godbolt.org/z/9W7vY759s

[mortal vortex]

thing exists
frostalf disputes 'thing'

[slender elbow]

unheard of

[thorn isle]

The reason why your answer got backlash, as I explained yesterday, is that the question was "why does this class not have this constructor", and that your answer was "it has everything its superclass has because it extends it", which is not true for constructors, which are what the question was about

[wet breach]

you can call super to the argument constructor. If the base uses that constructor to set fields or methods it will be usable

[slender elbow]

Derived does not get that constructor created

what is there not to understand

Derived does not have an int-taking constructor

[eternal night]

I love calling super outside the derived class

[wet breach]

you are not calling super

[slender elbow]

so i cannot pass an int to derived

okay megamind where do i call super

[eternal night]

I think frost thinks you are YamlConfig

And you think you are someone consuming the yaml config API

[slender elbow]

i think frost forgot spigot api

[wet breach]

you also not setting anything in the base either

[slender elbow]

why would i

it's just the constructor that matters

[wet breach]

so this is all moot

[slender elbow]

okay, you tell me right now you are given an api with those two classes
how do you, as a library user, create an instance of Derived by passing an int to it?

that is what yesterday's problem is about

[wet breach]

but its not because they misunderstood the api

[slender elbow]

they didn't misunderstand the api

they are simply asking why doesn't Spigot's YamlConfiguration have a constructor that takes a Configuration argument

because it doesn't

[wet breach]

and I explained it

[mortal vortex]

this is like that time i started an argument with my history teacher and derailed a class for 40 minutes even tho i knew he was right, just because i didnt wanna accept defeat.

[slender elbow]

no you did not

[eternal night]

You could just call set defaults on the yaml config emily

All moot

[slender elbow]

lynx i'm keeping the birthday role on you for the rest of times

[eternal night]

You- NOOOO

[thorn isle]

calling setdefaults is the first answer and suggestion emily gave

[eternal night]

(yes I was shit posting)

[thorn isle]

the reason why this became an issue is that frost came in with an undescriptive and on-its-face wrong answer that at best didn't help and at worst mislead

[wet breach]

or loadconfiguration()

[mortal vortex]

frost is right tho

[wet breach]

no one asked for me to elaborate

[thorn isle]

he is, but the answer was bad

[slender elbow]

the fuck does loadConfiguration have to do with anything

[mortal vortex]

yeah emily needs to pipe down

[wet breach]

because the base constructor is configuration?

[slender elbow]

??????

loadconfiguration is literally just

config = new YamlConfig()
config.load(file)
return config

[mortal vortex]

look im not trying to be sarcastic and petty cus i dont stoop as low as lynx, but you have to understand, this man fought for your country Emily. respect a veteran when you see one.

[slender elbow]

none of the loadConfiguration methods also take any defaults

my country?

i doubt it

[mortal vortex]

yah mr worldwide overhere

[wet breach]

lol I don't use my status in such ways

[eternal night]

Well said!

[mortal vortex]

Thank you! Ultimatum reached, we can be quiet now.

[wet breach]

anyways, now I wait for conclube since my message was more directed at them

[mortal vortex]

🥲 thank you for your service, approaching 6 years serving #help-development.

newgens wont understand the veteran life, its ok.