help-development

[wet breach]

Also, not even sure I could get all the dependencies at this point to rebuild it. Maybe I should go do that at some point before its too late.

[pseudo hazel]

I mean I think modern hologram api would just be some wrappers over Display to create and manage them easier

[lost matrix]

Im currently maintaining both, packet-based armorstands, and TextDisplays, and im thinking about dropping armorstands finally, since TextDisplays turned out to be very nice.

[wet breach]

so the 1.8 update where Mojang patched the horse bug killed it XD

Yeah I am quite pleased with the display stuff

[lost matrix]

Ah, i forgot that traditionally horses where used XD

[wet breach]

and ironically that was what was supposed to come out in 1.8

[pseudo hazel]

better late than never

[wet breach]

but I don't think they expected the back lash like they did when they randomly announced the patching of the horse bug XD

so they tossed it on the armor stand

Yeah, the horse bug was setting the horses age to a negative value, which caused it to turn invisible and if I am not mistaken also upside down

[lost matrix]

I am very pleased with the way mojang is currently approaching a more data-driven implementation for everything. 😄
Now they just need to tell Microsoft to fk off with their horrible, garbage, bedrock protocoll, and finally unify the versions.

[pseudo hazel]

yeah well, as long as they still keep adding different drop rates for new mobs in their updates, that aint happening

[lost matrix]

Bedrock support effectively tripples my dev time. You want to write a GUI? Better make sure you also implement it in Forms for bedrock. And the same for NPCs, Models, the entire Resourcepack needs to be maintained twice.

[grim hound]

they removed sun.misc.Unsafe in java 25
How the hell do I now allocate objects without invoking their constructor?

[lost matrix]

Oh no... my entire Codec implementation is based on Gson and relies on this working.

[grim hound]

yeah wtf will gson do

[lost matrix]

Better start adding no-args constructors to your classes. Can already see the casual

@ApiStatus.Internal
public void SomeClass() {
  this(null, null, null, 0, false);
}

[wet breach]

I don't see where they removed it? I see where they added that anything that accesses generates a runtime warning

[grim hound]

nooooo

[lost matrix]

You could, in theory generate thos constructors via bytecode injection if there are no no-args constructors found by your serializer

[wet breach]

so, 26 or 27 will be where they may remove it

[grim hound]

I used netty's PlatformDependent.hasUnsafe() to check

lemme just fully confirm that it's gone

[wet breach]

sun-misc-unsafe-memory-access=allow

[grim hound]

that's for the warnings

[wet breach]

you have to use that in the command line to allow access

[grim hound]

also, what's the default?

warn?

[wet breach]

think so

[pseudo hazel]

omg now im inspired to make something similar to this lmao

inspired by like computer craft, e.g you have a machine that you can add a hoe to and it will show it with like an item frame and it will rotate the frame to make it look like its working

[wet breach]

oh instead of helping you are just going to compete, seems reasonable I suppose

[pseudo hazel]

I mean are they gonna do something more with it?

[robust helm]

i need to prove myself that i could've coded it too to feed my ego

[pseudo hazel]

seems like smile said he was done with it himself

or are you planning on trying this out kento

[robust helm]

oh god no im good

im currently in a humbled state

ill stick to my little gamephases

[pseudo hazel]

that means you are already above average probably

[wet breach]

Was kind of my point in respects to your comment of making this yourself or similar when you could just I guess update this?

[pseudo hazel]

I guess, I havent looked at the code to see if it needs extensive rewrites

or idk if its still working

[wet breach]

sounds like it isn't

well I suppose it is, so as long as you stay at a certain mc version

[pseudo hazel]

hmm it does have quite a lot of features it would make sense to just update it I suppose

maybe not much needs to be done

[robust helm]

my wonderful gamephase listeners

btw ive been thinking about this for a while: why do we force log(1) even when its slower than the log(n) solution. like why would i use a hashmap for a registry of 10 kits when the whole hashing part takes longer than looping through every element and checking for a field?

like instead of map.get("some identifier") just list.find(element -> element.getIdentifier().equals("some identifier"))

[pseudo hazel]

because few people actually think about the speed instead of the complexity

and because its the more standard approach

it just "makes more sense" to use a hashmap

otherwise its just a microoptimization

[robust helm]

i mean replacing new HashMap() with new SecretlyAListButDontTellAnyoneMap() isnt too much effort

[pseudo hazel]

this is something that like a compiler should be able to do lol

[robust helm]

ig thatd explain it

[pseudo hazel]

I would not want to know how the map works internally to know if I should use it based on if I have 10 vs 10000 elements

well unless its very obvious that the map is good at some things

this is like an implementation detail

[wet breach]

the hashing is super quick, you probably couldn't even really measure it on a small list like that. Equally looping would be quick too.

[robust helm]

pretty sure that hashing would still be a lot slower

[wet breach]

the only time you worry about speed of something is because you have an issue

[pseudo hazel]

it would be slower, but it doesnt matter

[robust helm]

so its just that everyone is smart enough to not do premature optimization then?

[pseudo hazel]

its still like immeasurable

no

I think its more that you dont have to care about this sort of stuff

[wet breach]

there are plenty that do this or fall for such things

[pseudo hazel]

I will use a hashmap even if I just have 5 elements if that makes the code more readable

[wet breach]

in the past like decades ago you used to have to worry about this stuff but that is because we didn't have like quad cores with speeds of 3+ghz and were still barely at 1ghz speeds XD

[robust helm]

i mean you can implement a Map that secretly uses a list

[robust helm]

too late if you use java anyways 😛

[pseudo hazel]

sure but when would you switch

[robust helm]

probably never but when the dataset is not growing by itself then it should never be large enough to be slower

[wet breach]

While hashing may be slower and am not even really sure how many orders of magnitude it is in comparison to looping and not even sure at how many elements you would need for the hashing to beat the looping either. But I prefer to use hashmaps mainly because it wouldn't be hard to change the code to be compatible with threads easily

[lost matrix]

For this case, the effective speed depends on the hashCode and euqals implementations of the objects. Those vary a lot and are details you should never concern yourself with. Java internally does a lot of optimizing for collections of smaller sizes like you described. Its generally not worth it to go for a few extra hundred nano seconds for this.

[robust helm]

fair enough

[wet breach]

now, there is one thing that I might consider in this scenario but its still really niche

there is a minimum size that a hashmap can be where as a list would be smaller

[robust helm]

memory-wise you mean?

[wet breach]

indeed

think the minimum size for a hashmap is like 10-20?

[robust helm]

would probably again not be noticeable

[pseudo hazel]

this would only really matter if you program for a gameboy or whatever

[wet breach]

it only is in really niche scenarios

[robust helm]

Oh wth 0% battery

How dare this laptop

[wet breach]

recursion for example would be a place where it would matter

[lost matrix]

If i can trade memory for time, i almost always jump on it. Even if i waste like 100mb of ram.
In minecraft environments, not exceeding the 50ms tick time is much more important than whatever ram you occupy.

[robust helm]

For which you would use c where youre probably too lazy to use a hashmap anyways lol

And instead use a linked list simply because its the easiest to implememt (especially when libraries only increase binarx size)

[pseudo hazel]

yeah ofc, java is the wrong language for that kind of optimization

[young knoll]

But that’s like $100 worth of RAM!!!!

[robust helm]

Customer pays dw

[pseudo hazel]

but yes I also prefer more ram over more time

[wet breach]

unless the OS is java 😉

that reminds me, I really need to get my hands on Java OS

[pseudo hazel]

I would rather store it all in hashmaps than recompute it each time sorta thing

[robust helm]

Thats a thing?????

[wet breach]

it used to be yes

[robust helm]

Weird

[pseudo hazel]

people write OS in any language

[robust helm]

Oraclelinux is enoguh for me

[wet breach]

in the past it really was the only way to have peak java applications

[robust helm]

I mean you could use netbsds rump kernel to run a jvm :)

[wet breach]

then once we got processors that were fast enough and ram limits significantly increased. Needing something like Java OS went out the window

[robust helm]

Rumprum works like that

[lost matrix]

lol 🥲

[wet breach]

anyways, the reason I want to get my hands on Java OS is so that I can update it. I would really like an OS specifically for java

[pseudo hazel]

your performance doesnt matter, engineers will just make better cards and cpu's

[wet breach]

even if I don't really have a use for it like at all lmao

I guess I could run an MC server on it

[lost matrix]

That will cost 5k each, because they reduced their production by 40%

[robust helm]

Definitely worth the effort yeah lol

[lost matrix]

Minecraft OS

[robust helm]

Theres an os made fully in lisp too

[pseudo hazel]

the people that run the world have enough money to buy that

[robust helm]

Sounds fun too but im honestlx intressted in any obscure operating system

[wet breach]

I got lucky and bought ram before the price went up by a lot

[lost matrix]

TempleOS

if you want obscure

[robust helm]

Its cool but hmm

[lost matrix]

640x480 as god intended

[robust helm]

Im atheist i cant do that

[wet breach]

shame the author died though 🙁

[robust helm]

Ill pray to the plan9 bunny

[robust helm]

Cia got him

[wet breach]

more like a train did

[lost matrix]

Yeah, but was over a decade ago by now.

[robust helm]

He got run over by a train?

[lost matrix]

He was mentally unwell and couldnt get enough help. Lets keep it at that.

Paranoid schizophrenia iirc

[wet breach]

he was hit, not run over. Was walking alongside the rail tracks

[robust helm]

Oh damn

[lost matrix]

Oh really, i thought it went differently. Never looked too deep into it.
But the stuff he produced... and said. Where wild

[robust helm]

I mean he cant really be blamed for it

[wet breach]

Oh definitely and he even acknowledged the same too

I find it ironic though while trying to invent 3d printing he almost set fire to his apartment with a dremel

of all things, a dremel to stop you

[robust helm]

He was about to invent 3d printing too?

Woah

[wet breach]

tried to, not sure how far into it he got

just know a dremel tool stopped him

[robust helm]

If i only knew what a dremel was in german

Cause i dont know what it means

[lost matrix]

the same

[robust helm]

Fuck

[eternal oxide]

a drill grinder

brand name is Dremel

[wet breach]

this, but like much smaller

[robust helm]

The thing u use to make holes in wood?

[wet breach]

yeah it can be used for that too

[robust helm]

Oh wow

What an amazing tool

[lost matrix]

Its just a small Trennschleifer honestly. You maybe know it as "Flex" or Geradschleifer?

[robust helm]

Yea flex 😎

[lost matrix]

Haha, yeah flex is what we call it too

[wet breach]

but yeah, temple OS has to have been one of the wildest things he made going all the way from the early 2000's

and it uses HolyC

which of course he made

[robust helm]

Especially crazy considering he didnt have google or anything

Like he bought a book and wrote a 3d game engine after that????

[wet breach]

TempleOS also did not have internet and according to what he said its because he didn't want to reinvent the wheel

[robust helm]

Uhhh

Did he not already reinvent it by making templeos at all

[lost matrix]

Coming back to performance. I had a time where i obsessed about all the different collections in Java, doing hundreds of jmh benchmarks, and i found the worst collection, that is only good at exactly one thing. And thats LinkedList. Try to guess how you can reasonably use it.

[wet breach]

compare?

[lost matrix]

Hm? You mean compare two collections? LinkedList has a very slow intrinsic iteration speed, compared to lets say ArrayList.

[pseudo hazel]

hmm, linked lists are good if you want to stress test your setup

[robust helm]

I mean surely removing and adding right? If that counts as a use case

[pseudo hazel]

but only from front and end

like a deque

but then a tree is usually better

[lost matrix]

ArrayDeque is faster as a pure queue (If you dont take growing operations into consideration)

[robust helm]

Addding in the center is just 2 variable assignments isnt it

[wet breach]

adding in the center of a list?

[pseudo hazel]

but you have to find the center in a linked list

[robust helm]

I mean in the middle

Like anywhere not at the start or end

[wet breach]

to add into the center or middle of a list is not just 2 variable assignments

[lost matrix]

Yeah, that it. Inserting/removing an element in the middle of the List.
Or more specific: Operations that do this in bulk, like removeIf(Predicate<T>) are very efficient.

[robust helm]

Oh wow

[wet breach]

really weird thing for linkedlist to be good at

I can't really say I have really had the need to do such things 🤔

[robust helm]

Does removeIf work like a filter or does it operate on a single node?

[pseudo hazel]

it would have to go across all nodes

to know if it should be removed

[robust helm]

And then delete all nodes that match

Hnm

[pseudo hazel]

for a linked list this would be done in place probably since you just reassign the pointers

[lost matrix]

I started using it a lot in tasks and schedulers.
Whenever i have to tick a collection, and remove elements when they are done.

[wet breach]

interesting

guess your investigation at least had some use

[pseudo hazel]

never thought of using a linkedlist ever

but yeah this makes sense

for this kinda thing I would usually default to a set or something

[robust helm]

I remember seeing a youtube video once "why you should always use a linkedlist over an arraylist in java" and then some comment pointed out an issue and the creator was like "oh nvm, true dont use linked lists then"

[pseudo hazel]

or simple list

[lost matrix]

Hm, would honestly not be too bad i guess. I remember there being a reason why i didnt like the iterators of Sets.

[robust helm]

I didnt really understand anything and its been years though so maybe im just delusional

[pseudo hazel]

maybe its because of the unreliable order?

[lost matrix]

I mean... random access on LinkedList is just O(n)
So thats one reason its atrocious

[wet breach]

its fortunate most will probably never really see the differences unless they were managing significantly large arrays XD

[pseudo hazel]

yes, which is also true for a removeIf, which is always o(n) worst case by definition (unless tree bla bla) but the reason its good for linked list is because of the allocation I guess

that you dont need to move the whole list

maybe you didnt like it for a set because of having to copy it when iterating to remove stuff?

[robust helm]

Does arraylist move every elements after i to fill the hole or what?

[pseudo hazel]

iirc you can get concurrent exceptions with that

if you insert something into an array list, it has to move over all other elements with a higher index

this is why picking or adding from the front of an array list is the slowest

atleast thats for a classical array

idk how they implement array list

[robust helm]

That makes sense

And in the case of removal of an element anywhere in the middle, it needs to fill the hole my moving everything following it

[pseudo hazel]

yes

[robust helm]

I wonder if thats something that happens periodically or at every remove call

[pseudo hazel]

should be every call

[lost matrix]

Ill know in a few minutes ;D

[ivory sleet]

But on the contrary side of things, array list can take advantage of spatial locality

[pseudo hazel]

but if you know you are gonna remove multiple things there are better ways to do it

[ivory sleet]

which linked list cant

[robust helm]

Even for removeAt(int index)?

What is it?

[ivory sleet]

for linked list its worst case n

[pseudo hazel]

actually idk if its faster

but basically it would be to create a new list and only add the things you wanna keep to that list

but then you have to reallocate if you add things to an array, so idk how it would work

idk how allocation works for an arraylist

[ivory sleet]

usually it grows the underlying array if it hits the size limit

[pseudo hazel]

so like a c++ vector?

[robust helm]

Would be faster in few cases ig

[pseudo hazel]

when it reaches limit it reallocates to like double its size ig

[robust helm]

Man i really need to learn datastructures

I never used a vector before

[ivory sleet]

I mean you can obviously be generalistic and just examine time complexity, but that only tells u part of the story

it tells u how it scales, usually per unit (unless u also examine bit cost)

[lost matrix]

Doesnt it allocate a bunch of memory as a buffer, and only copy the entire array when it grows out of the buffer? Pretty sure thats standard behavior for all java collections.

[wet breach]

one of the main problems with ArrayList is that the memory for it must be contiguous hence why when the capacity limit for an array list is hit, it suffers greatly when it increases because it may also need to move the memory allocation to continue to be contiguous

[ivory sleet]

yea what I said

[lost matrix]

So in most cases its not horrible

[ivory sleet]

if the underlying array hits the size limit

[wet breach]

Its not

[ivory sleet]

but even then, system.copyarray is pretty fast

[pseudo hazel]

yeah big chance it just has to move the whole thing

[ivory sleet]

linked list relies on a bunch of java references

which slows it down, ofc at a huge scale this becomes negligible as time complexity (per unit) becomes more substantial

[dull python]

@chrome beaconOh no, I tried using the new version, but it seems to be being treated as a Text component instead of a player component. It seems the previous version did the same. My code is {"object": {}, "player": "in_Shiro"} . I'm not sure if that's correct; I haven't seen any examples.

[robust helm]

Can they not implement data structures in assembly or smth?

[wet breach]

LinkedList has the most memory allocation if we are just going by defaults, however it is the most dynamic in terms of how that memory is allocated. Followed by HashMap and HashSet as those only use up memory with the more objects it holds and its load factor

[ivory sleet]

that'd require u to implement it for every different assembly instruction set

[robust helm]

So only optimize for amd64

:)

[ivory sleet]

more so, u would have to go to significant lengths to allow someone to subclass a LinkedList if that LinkedList is written in assembly

[chrome beacon]

That does not look correct

[lost matrix]

riskV go brrr

[robust helm]

Oh true

[chrome beacon]

Instead of guessing the component format checkout the Minecraft Wiki

[ivory sleet]

For small things, using array-backed structures in java is generally the way to go, but ofc its always smart to analyze at hand what u're dealing with and whats ur upper and lower bounds etc

[lost matrix]

Yeah, imagine you imlement an interface and suddenly see the native keyword for the first time in your life.

[dull python]

Yes, that's what I'm looking up, but I don't really understand his JSON format, and he doesn't have any examples, so I'm really confused.

[ivory sleet]

😭

[lost matrix]

I bet a majority of java devs never see that in their life, or know that it exists

[robust helm]

I did not

And i regret learning about it

[wet breach]

a good way to get around this, if you know your array is going to increase beyond the capacity it has. You would just create a new array and dump everything into that new one instead. This avoids the JVM finding a new spot, allocation and then moving the array elements into it, and then removing the old allocation

if you must use arraylist of course and nothing else lmao

[lost matrix]

Implement List and allocate a 5k array beforehand, just to be safe ^^

[wet breach]

I suppose you could do that too lol

[pseudo hazel]

yeah thats basically what I was saying with the filter thing, the bard part is knowing how much you need

if you are filtering you would need a list atleast the size of the current one I guess that can be a starting point

[pseudo hazel]

did you read this regarding Player Object Type? https://minecraft.wiki/w/Text_component_format#Player_Object_Type

[dull python]

I've read it, but I don't know much about JSON, nor do I understand Minecraft's syntax, so I'm still quite confused.

[pseudo hazel]

that tree is basically describing the format the json needs to use

an example that would follow the format is something like { object: player, player: { name: "myName"}}

[chrome beacon]

That's close but not quite

ah the type was optional nvm :p

[pseudo hazel]

yeah with the object and or player tag it will assume the type is object

[lost matrix]

Benchmark                                        (elementCount)  Mode  Cnt     Score     Error  Units
CollectionIterationBenchmark.hashSetRemoveIf                100  avgt    6     1,127 ±   0,117  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.hashSetRemoveIf               1000  avgt    6    11,884 ±   0,413  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.hashSetRemoveIf              10000  avgt    6   221,779 ±  15,683  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.hashSetRemoveIf             100000  avgt    6  4560,698 ± 635,483  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.linkedListRemoveIf             100  avgt    6     0,287 ±   0,042  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.linkedListRemoveIf            1000  avgt    6     5,921 ±   0,119  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.linkedListRemoveIf           10000  avgt    6    79,055 ±   5,218  us/op
CollectionIterationBenchmark.linkedListRemoveIf          100000  avgt    6  1866,403 ± 174,731  us/op

LinkedList.removeIf() and HashSet.removeIf() both scale with O(n) as expected.
But LinkedList has an intrinsic average 2.3x-2.4x iteration speed compared to HashSet.

Graph is in log scale ofc.

[pseudo hazel]

hah, nice

[lost matrix]

Here is the code, if you see anything wrong lmk

@State(Scope.Thread)
@BenchmarkMode(Mode.AverageTime)
@OutputTimeUnit(TimeUnit.MICROSECONDS)
@Fork(value = 2, warmups = 0)
@Measurement(iterations = 3, time = 1000, timeUnit = TimeUnit.MILLISECONDS)
@Warmup(iterations = 2)
public class CollectionIterationBenchmark {

    public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
        org.openjdk.jmh.Main.main(args);
    }

    private HashSet<String> hashSet;
    private LinkedList<String> linkedList;

    @Param({"100", "1000", "10000", "100000"})
    private int elementCount;
    private String centerElement;

    @Setup
    public void setup() {
        hashSet = new HashSet<>();
        linkedList = new LinkedList<>();
        for (int i = 0; i < elementCount; i++) {
            String element = UUID.randomUUID().toString();
            if (i == elementCount / 2) {
                this.centerElement = element;
            }
            hashSet.add(element);
            linkedList.add(element);
        }
    }

    @Benchmark
    public void hashSetRemoveIf(Blackhole blackhole) {
        this.hashSet.removeIf(x -> x.equals(this.centerElement));
    }

    @Benchmark
    public void linkedListRemoveIf(Blackhole blackhole) {
        this.linkedList.removeIf(x -> x.equals(this.centerElement));
    }

}

[pseudo hazel]

linkedlist ftw

[dull python]

I tried {"player": "id"}, and it worked fine using the tellraw command, but it didn't work properly with bungeecord-serializer.

[pseudo hazel]

code looks normal

[ivory sleet]

did you use the standard initial capacity and loadfactor?

[dull python]

The JSON you provided works fine when I put it in the command line, but it just won't pass serialization.

[lost matrix]

Yeah, shouldnt change anything right? Since im only benchmarking the removeIf, the collections shouldnt grow.

[ivory sleet]

yea just curious

[lost matrix]

I could try with using the element count as initial cpacity as well ^^

[ivory sleet]

oh well, new HashSet<>() i might be blind

[pseudo hazel]

well I assume you converted it to proper json? my suggestion is not syntactically correct json at all

[dull python]

It should be possible, because it can be parsed by the original instructions.

[robust helm]

https://discord.com/channels/690411863766466590/1457714966453817450 anyone wanna hate on this pretty design?

[pseudo hazel]

what original instructions are you referring to?

the minecraft command parser is very lenient on the json esque syntax

[dull python]

tellraw

[pseudo hazel]

yeah tellraw is more lenient compared to probably the way that the bungee is expecting

[dull python]

My code uses Player#spigot().sendMessage to send messages, and I am outputting the serialized content, but it doesn't seem to be redirected to the player component; instead, it's being parsed into the text component.

[pseudo hazel]

what do you mean by that

like you just see the json text in game?

[dull python]

No, it actually outputs an empty text, which is equivalent to directly using Player#sendMessage("").

[pseudo hazel]

like I said, try formatting the json correctly, maybe it will make a difference

[dull python]

I need some time to understand that, because this is my first time dealing with Minecraft's JSON. I've always used code before and haven't worked with components.

[chrome beacon]

Works just fine

    @EventHandler
    public void onJoin(PlayerJoinEvent event) {
        event.getPlayer().spigot().sendMessage(ComponentSerializer.parse("{\"player\":{\"name\": \"" + event.getPlayer().getName() + "\"}}"));
        event.getPlayer().spigot().sendMessage(ComponentSerializer.parse("{\"player\":\"" + event.getPlayer().getName() + "\"}"));
    }

[dull python]

That would be very strange.

[chrome beacon]

You mentioned converting it to a string array before

Which I've told you will remove all component data

and make it blank. I want you to tripple check that you are not doing that

[dull python]

No, no, no, it wasn't a conversion. That was just an example because I'm using Kotlin, not Java. There was an operation the other person didn't understand, so I gave an example to explain.

[chrome beacon]

I see

[dull python]

Actually, it's a parameter requirement of BaseComponent..., but Kotlin doesn't allow directly passing a collection object, i.e., BaseComponent[].

In Java, this might work normally, but Kotlin doesn't allow it; you have to add character handling.

[chrome beacon]

That just sounds odd

[dull python]

Yes, it does sound strange, but that's his writing style, so we followed it.

[buoyant viper]

isnt there a .sendMessage that takes a single BaseComponent

[dull python]

Your actions have confirmed that it might not be a formatting issue, but rather a problem with how the library is transferred. I'll try to handle it myself within the project.

[chrome beacon]

That does exist as well but the serializer returns an array

[dull python]

It exists, but compatibility doesn't allow for this usage, so serialization is necessary because customization is required and it can't just handle this one thing.

Huh? I've noticed something, maybe it's related to him. The sub-version I'm using seems too old. The official website has version 130, but I'm still using version 115.

[chrome beacon]

version of what?

[dull python]

1.21.10-115

The paper I used had a final version number of 1.21.10-130.

[chrome beacon]

uhh that better not be Paper

[pseudo hazel]

i got it locked and loaded

[chrome beacon]

Send the output from /version

oh you wrote Paper while I was typing :p

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[dull python]

So, did the paper also modify the serialization process?

[chrome beacon]

You've been asking for help with something that isn't Spigot 😭

[chrome beacon]

They might be on an old bungeechat version who knows 🤷‍♂️

You should test with Spigot when asking for help with Spigot

[dull python]

I'll try Spigot to see if it works.

[pseudo hazel]

if you use paper they expect you to just use adventure components, which is a different api

[dull python]

No, I won't use Adventure. This library is too unfriendly to older versions. It doesn't consider the issue of plugins using older versions; it only considers newer versions. But many plugins only have older versions left, and no one will maintain them anymore. My personal opinion is that it's a terrible library.

[dull python]

You're right, it's a problem with the paper. It's because he didn't cite the new version of bungeecord-serializer. I'll report it to them right away.

[pseudo hazel]

well sadly, thats paper for you in a nutshell, if you want to write for backwards compatibility, dont write for paper

[dull python]

The problem is clear: the paper is no longer following bungeecoord-chat, but instead using his adventure, which makes things difficult.

[dull python]

I know what you're saying. My plugin is also based on Spigot, and even the net.minecraft.server operations are based on Spigot. I didn't specifically support Paper.

[pseudo hazel]

yes I think this is just one of the first things to fall apart because of the hard fork that paper made

if you want your plugin to still work the same on paper you'll need to add some kinda check somewhere for it, but idk how to approach that

[chrome beacon]

You'd multimodule wrapper it like you'd do for nms

[dull python]

I don't actually object to him writing a new library to handle various text content, but his code modifications are far too frequent, and they cause references to older versions to become invalid. This kind of behavior is simply unacceptable.

[pseudo hazel]

if by "him" you mean paper, the answer is simple. Dont support paper

[dull python]

Knowing why something is wrong is the key to finding a solution; otherwise, you're just wandering aimlessly. I now feel that Mojang's modifications are even less destructive than paper modifications. Paper modifications simply erase everything without considering the impact on older versions. Mojang just has more version numbers.

[dull python]

Instead of specifically supporting it, we support Spigot for extensions.

[pseudo hazel]

paper is looking towards the future, not into the past

papers motto is simply to say, if your plugin does not work anymore on newer versions, make an update for the plugin

but this issue specifically has nothing to do with backwards compatibility on its own but more about the relationship between spigot and paper

[slender elbow]

lol

[pseudo hazel]

in which paper has expressly chosen to move away from spigot

please correct me if im wrong

[azure zealot]

paper stinks

[dry hazel]

plugins that don't use internals should work just fine on newer versions for the most part, it's not like paper doesn't provide any api compatibility guarantees

[azure zealot]

(paper team)

[dry hazel]

the issue is intermingling new spigot api and new paper api

[pseudo hazel]

yeah, which is the cause of this issue they are having

[slender elbow]

old plugins will still run on modern versions of paper so idk what the tantrum they're having is all about

"i want new api but on old versions" is never going to work even on spigot

[buoyant viper]

i want a new game 😞

where is Minecraft 2

[buoyant viper]

enum constants would like to have a word (spigot-brought issue)

[slender elbow]

?

old plugins using all the enums still work on modern day spigot

[buoyant viper]

random potion stuff broke for me in like the 1.20.4 to 1.20.6 move

and particles

[slender elbow]

there were a couple of times where mojang renamed some stuff or required some extra info for some things, and the api has no choice regarding that

[azure zealot]

you got minecraft 26

thats like 24 version better than minecraft 2

[buoyant viper]

i want 1.23 :(

[azure zealot]

you won't get minecraft 1.23 or 22

[buoyant viper]

wait i skipped 1.22

im just like Mojank

[azure zealot]

yes

[thorn isle]

depends on the use case; i do one for some things and the other for others

if i had to draw a line, i'd say that if you foresee there probably won't be another use case for the listener sometime soon, you might as well unregister it

going with the delegation approach can devolve into writing your own event bus on top of bukkit's, which is not necessarily desirable

[atomic violet]

Im making a plugin that needs to detect if the player has made an advancement, and if anyone else in the world has made that same advancement, and i have failed to realize that new recipes count as advancements in the game, im on 1.21.11, does anyone have any ideas for how i can seperate the advancements that arent announced in chat vs the ones that are hidden? because I only want the advancements that are announced in the chat when achieved (my current method was using PlayerAdvancementDoneEvent)

[eternal oxide]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/advancement/AdvancementDisplay.html

getAdvancement().getDisplay().isHidden()

or check the shouldShowToast.

[atomic violet]

oh so i can just filter with an if statement before doing everything else in the event?

[eternal oxide]

yes

[atomic violet]

wait how would i use that to filter hidden advancements? its just a modifier for advancements

the shouldShowToast too

[eternal oxide]

if you only want those shown in chat check shouldAnnounceChat()

Lots in there is check everything you need

[atomic violet]

no the issue is the event is triggering whenever new recipes are unlocked/when advancements that arent announced in chat are achieved, and i dont want it to trigger for those ones, only for advancements that are announced in chat

but i think what im gonna do is just check if the display name contains "recipe" or "root" and that should fix it i think

[atomic violet]

so im using this to print what advancement is triggering the event as a string

then using that if statement to check if it has those words in it, im watching my chat print "minecraft:recipes/....", im confused why its not filtering it out

[peak bone]

I'm looking for Java developers for a well-paid project, please DM me

[young knoll]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[atomic violet]

solved, i had to use and instead of or, cause it was never both recipes and root so it was always true

[brazen stone]

hi question is there any plugin for velocity where you can display how many players are in that server online?

as placeholders

[chrome beacon]

This is the development channel for Spigot and Bungeecord

You're in the wrong channel and discord

You could ask in #help-server but ideally you should head over to the Papermc discord

[thorn isle]

FR
they're probably banned on paper

[buoyant viper]

LOL

[quasi mason]

i want to show some text above player's name - for this i tried using text display ridden by player, but then teleportation plugins stop working as player can't be teleported

anyone know who to do this correctly

[thorn isle]

either switch to paper, as they recently made the RETAIN_PASSENGERS TeleportFlag present on teleport calls by default; or use protocol fucknuggetry to desync the client and server state to the client sees the entity as mounted but the server does not, allowing it to be teleported normally

the latter is easy to get wrong and fragile even when it does work

specifically, what you probably want to do is create the text entity normally, set its properties, and then delete it, but suppress the entity remove packet so it remains visible and mounted on the client end

[quasi mason]

le me try this

[buoyant viper]

i just constantly teleport the entity above the player every tick lol

(im using text display entities as chat bubbles)

[quasi mason]

but it looks ugly

[wet breach]

You could listen on lowest priority for teleports and dismount the entity or player and then remount after teleport

[onyx fjord]

did spigot move to mojmaps?

or still need to obf

[slender elbow]

you still need to reobf for runtime

you can use Mojang mappings for development

all that is going to disappear when 26.1 releases anyway

it's all going to be Mojang mapped

[vital coral]

Hiiii, I need help with a texture problem! i cant fix it

[wise parrot]

Dm

[vital coral]

ok!

[fluid gate]

is possible remove the black background of each line of an armorstand¡?

[young knoll]

Probably with a core shader

Or yknow, just use a text display

[opal plume]

can i make solid plugins with javascript?

[chrome beacon]

There have been plugins for that

But you're probably better off just using Java

[opal plume]

im too lazy to learn java as i am already learning javascript for a backend path

[wet breach]

in the past you used to be able to do this, but the issue you will have is that javascript doesn't run in java no more without graalvm or some other java version that has javascript engine built in

[opal plume]

but can i use it to make really stable plugins or is it just like training wheels?

[wet breach]

also, even if that is not an issue, you are going to run into context switching issues as well as you will need to provide the spigot API and anything else that will be needed into javascript yourself as well

essentially before you can even make your javascript plugin, you will need to create a javascript bridge between Java and Javascript

[opal plume]

what about paper, does it have js support?

ik js is mainly used for webpages and stuff but im asking because i would want to make a portfolio project in minecraft

[wet breach]

No, Oracle removed Javascript in the JDK when it removed Nashorn in JDK 14. Hence you will need to use GraalVM JDK or something similar which means stuff like spigot or paper or most any other fork will not have API methods for javascript

And yes you can make a javascript plugin, not saying you can't

as for stability, Javascript is not known for that

[opal plume]

dang.. looks like im going back to that pizza ordering site as a portfolio project

[wet breach]

Scripting languages are not exactly designed with the intent of having long running processes and at some point needs to terminate otherwise they never release resources ever lol

But if you want to do it, go for it. Its doable 🙂

Someone ported MC to PHP so if they can do that, you can run a plugin with javascript just will require work is all

[opal plume]

lol i get it, im already studying python and its h#ll when coming to BST's

if i ever finish this backend path i might learn java but im gonna need to find a place where it explains in a way i understand lol

[wet breach]

Java is super easy

?learnjava

[undone axle]

For Beginners:

Codecademy - Learn Java: Interactive Java programming course from basics to more advanced concepts. Perfect for absolute beginners.
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
JetBrains Academy - Java Developer Track: Learn by doing with projects and challenges. It covers Java fundamentals to advanced topics.
https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/
Udemy - Java Programming Masterclass for Software Developers: Updated courses that cover Java 8 to Java 17 features. Suitable for those who prefer structured learning.
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/

For Intermediate to Advanced Learners:

Oracle Java Tutorials: The official guides by Oracle for Java programming—great for understanding the depth of Java.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
Baeldung - Learn Java and Spring: Focus on Spring Framework and modern Java technologies. Best for intermediate learners aiming to expand their knowledge.
https://www.baeldung.com/

Practice and Hands-on Learning:

Exercism - Java Track: Solve exercises and get feedback from mentors. Great for practicing coding skills.
https://exercism.io/tracks/java
LeetCode: Practice your coding skills and prepare for technical interviews with Java.
https://leetcode.com/

Free Resources and Documentation:

Java Programming and Documentation: A comprehensive collection of Java programming guides, tutorials, and API documentation.
https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/

Community and Support:

Stack Overflow: A vast community of developers. Great for getting help with specific problems or understanding concepts.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/java
r/learnjava on Reddit: Join the community of Java learners and get advice, share resources, and discuss projects.
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnjava/

Remember: Learning to program takes practice and patience. Don't hesitate to experiment with code and participate in community discussions. Happy coding! 🎉

[wet breach]

if you can learn python, then Java is going to be easier

[thick tundra]

is there any way to see the default chunkgenerator for superflat worlds anywhere?

[wet breach]

?stash

[undone axle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/

[wet breach]

I guess you could just look in the buildtools directory too

and look at the decompiled code

its going to be in the NMS stuff

[thick tundra]

hmm yeah, 1.21.11 makes it a whole lot easier tho :D

[wet breach]

still needs to be decompiled, just don't need to deobfuscate

[thick tundra]

yup, thanks!

[opal plume]

every language is easy, depending on what youre learning, do i need to learn OOP, functional programming, which one?

[wet breach]

Java can do both, but ideally you would want OOP with Java lol

[opal plume]

k boss

[wet breach]

what I mean though is that the time it takes to really learn java and understand it, is just as little as 3 months and you can be making complex stuff. Where as other languages this is not really the case

[opal plume]

ofc it can its freaking java

[thick tundra]

most people think java is outdated, but its still being used everywhere. learning java and really understanding the concepts of oop can land you a good paying job at a lot of companies

[wet breach]

Well, it only becomes outdated when people stop using it

[thick tundra]

i dont think thats gonna happen any time soon tho lmao

[opal plume]

why does http make me barf?

[wet breach]

most consider something outdated simply because its old

but ignore the fact that it still works

and in my opinion if it works and does what you are wanting it to, then what does it matter if its old lmao

[opal plume]

?learnjava

[undone axle]

For Beginners:

Codecademy - Learn Java: Interactive Java programming course from basics to more advanced concepts. Perfect for absolute beginners.
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
JetBrains Academy - Java Developer Track: Learn by doing with projects and challenges. It covers Java fundamentals to advanced topics.
https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/
Udemy - Java Programming Masterclass for Software Developers: Updated courses that cover Java 8 to Java 17 features. Suitable for those who prefer structured learning.
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/

For Intermediate to Advanced Learners:

Oracle Java Tutorials: The official guides by Oracle for Java programming—great for understanding the depth of Java.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
Baeldung - Learn Java and Spring: Focus on Spring Framework and modern Java technologies. Best for intermediate learners aiming to expand their knowledge.
https://www.baeldung.com/

Practice and Hands-on Learning:

Exercism - Java Track: Solve exercises and get feedback from mentors. Great for practicing coding skills.
https://exercism.io/tracks/java
LeetCode: Practice your coding skills and prepare for technical interviews with Java.
https://leetcode.com/

Free Resources and Documentation:

Java Programming and Documentation: A comprehensive collection of Java programming guides, tutorials, and API documentation.
https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/

Community and Support:

Stack Overflow: A vast community of developers. Great for getting help with specific problems or understanding concepts.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/java
r/learnjava on Reddit: Join the community of Java learners and get advice, share resources, and discuss projects.
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnjava/

Remember: Learning to program takes practice and patience. Don't hesitate to experiment with code and participate in community discussions. Happy coding! 🎉

[opal plume]

which one explains the best and is free?

and which one is especially for mc?

[wet breach]

have no idea. Never used any of the links except the Java docs one from oracle

been using Java ever since it was released 🙂

[opal plume]

unc status

[echo basalt]

can't you just bundle a js engine

[thick tundra]

? explain

[echo basalt]

this guy wanted to run JS on a minecraft plugin

[thick tundra]

yeah thats possible, im doing that for one of my plugins. GraalVM is a way to do it but thats a bit confusing in the beginning.

[echo basalt]

Back in the day we used Mozilla's Rhino

https://github.com/mozilla/rhino

I think for custom scripts in a dungeon or something

plop a couple signs around and it loads them as scripts and runs it to spawn mobs / generate loot

[thick tundra]

im using Nashorn, which is a bit older but still runs fine on java 21 even tho it was removed in java 15

[young knoll]

There’s a fork of rhino made for a minecraft mod

Wonder if that’s any better to use

[sullen marlin]

Also graal js

[thorn isle]

GRAAAL

[glass vector]

Hi people, if anyone needs, I can write any plugin to order. Привет люди кому нужно на заказ напишу любой плагин.

[chrome beacon]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[thorn isle]

i want a cooking plugin

one which focuses on exotic animals

with maybe a bit of wardrobe on the side

i want them baby seal leather boots

[young knoll]

I mean a cooking plugin does sound neat

But Minecraft has a very simple food system so there’s not really any use for fancy foods

[thorn isle]

https://builtbybit.com/resources/heirloom-custom-crops-cooking-diets.84769/

plus it's been done already

this one looks quite cool

you like physically dice the things on a cutting board and shit

supposedly it also adds some kind of a "diet" system so that the food isn't useless, but in my experience that ends up just annoying players

[tender sinew]

Hey 🙂
That’s a fun concept — combining a cooking/crafting system with exotic animals and wearable items like special boots.
A few details will matter (how you want the mechanics to work and what exactly the wardrobe does), but it’s definitely something we can build.

[young knoll]

Okay ChatGPT

[quaint mantle]

Can someone help me extract the banEntry for a banner player in PlayerLoginEvent, this API makes no sense and theres no tutorials or posts online I can find. The function for BanList.Type.NAME is apparently depracated and when using BanList.Type.PROFILE it says the type of the parameter passed should be "capture of ? target"????

[thorn isle]

you need to pass the type of ban entry you wish to retrieve

for Type.IP, that'd be InetAddress; for NAME, that'd be String, for PROFILE, that'd be PlayerProfile

the capture of ? is because the api doesn't use generics properly

to clarify it, you can cast the BanList to BanList<PlayerProfile> before calling anything on it

[quaint mantle]

BanEntry<PlayerProfile> profileBan = Bukkit.getBanList(BanList.Type.PROFILE).getBanEntry(playerLoginEvent.getPlayer().getPlayerProfile());```

Cannot resolve method 'getBanEntry(PlayerProfile)'

Oh

you have to cast the entire list?

[thorn isle]

public interface BanList<T> {

it's a generic class with concrete subclasses for each type of list

e.g.
public interface ProfileBanList extends BanList<PlayerProfile> {

[quaint mantle]

uh

[thorn isle]

paper does the generics better in this case, since the type keys like PROFILE are also generic and typed, so you won't get random ? captures

[quaint mantle]

BanList<PlayerProfile> profileBanList = Bukkit.getBanList(BanList.Type.PROFILE);
String reason = profileBanList.getBanEntry(playerLoginEvent.getPlayer().getPlayerProfile());```

im sorry if i seem stupid i just dont understand this 😭

[thorn isle]

you're missing the cast

[quaint mantle]

what am I doing wrong here

[quaint mantle]

But I did BanList<PlayerProfile>?

[thorn isle]

that's not a cast

that's a variable that you're assigning to

a cast involves a ()

e.g. (BanList<PlayerProfile>)

[quaint mantle]

oh

[thorn isle]

((BanList<PlayerProfile>)Bukkit.getBanList(BanList.Type.PROFILE)).getBanEntry(player.getPlayerProfile());

[quaint mantle]

okay

like this?

BanList<PlayerProfile> profileBanList = (BanList<PlayerProfile>)Bukkit.getBanList(BanList.Type.PROFILE);

[thorn isle]

yes, that seems about right

[quaint mantle]

and i assume its normal to get this warning now? Unchecked cast: 'org.bukkit.BanList<capture<?>>' to 'org.bukkit.BanList<org.bukkit.profile.PlayerProfile>'

[thorn isle]

the reason you need the cast there is that getBanList returns a BanList<?>

yes, this is an unchecked cast because of type erasure

[thorn isle]

you can try casting to this interface instead

since that will be casting to a non-generic type, it will be checked and "safe" at runtime despite erasure

[quaint mantle]

okay

[thorn isle]

now

about those baby seal leather boots

[weak wasp]

Going full on Eskimo

[buoyant viper]

back in my day we used the built in Nashorn engine 🤞🏻😞

[young knoll]

Back in my day we used punch cards

[mortal hare]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[umbral ridge]

Can you create custom enchantements with a plugin?

Like, being able to enchant an item with a custom enchantment via the book

[thorn isle]

strictly speaking no, but people have approximated custom enchants for years by adding gray lore to items and tying behavior to that; it looks like a custom enchant, and with enough logic for e.g. listening enchanting/grindstone/anvil events, you can make it behave like one

this very quickly runs into compatibility issues with other plugins, as they won't see your enchants as enchants

nowadays, i'd recommend either using the paper registry api to register real custom enchantments (even if you handle the behavior/effects in plugin code), or bundling a datapack with your spigot plugin that has the enchantment definitions

there have also historically been hacky reflective methods of programmatically inserting new entries into the enchantment registry on spigot, but imo it isn't really worth it

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/1-21-4-register-custom-enchantments-with-nms.651347/

i have no idea how up to date this is, they have been changing the way how this works every version recently; your mileage may vary

[mortal vortex]

sick of seeing "paper can do this" 😢

never see anyone in PaperMC dickriding Spigot in return. Despite being the superior server software.

[worldly ingot]

They tend to ban for that

[mortal vortex]

Same policy should be here then…

not saying vcs2 was doing this, as i completely understand he was making a recommendation — but hearing from some people “this is so much easier in paper” is so fruitless because… this isn’t paper.

[orchid trout]

i think we need to deprecate half the api and replace it with a buggy mess

[buoyant viper]

i think its time for Spigot 2

[tranquil pecan]

nah it's time for Mygoat

[pseudo hazel]

fabric can also do that

[buoyant viper]

u can do a lot when u can fully rewrite sections of the games code :v

[pseudo hazel]

yeah true

NMS can do it too

you can add custom enchants if you work at mojang

[topaz cape]

this might be just me, but is spigot handling of potions suck atm?

like a potion itemstack for example

you can't apply it to the player using code anymore

you can't determine the effects durations even

after removal of org.bukkit.potion.Potion it's become quite annoying imo

[chrome beacon]

You can

Sounds like you're just too used to the ancient 1.8 api

[topaz cape]

oh new 1.21 apparently yes @_@
1.20 not apparently

[topaz cape]

yeah 😂

[mental drum]

Best server jar rn?

[chrome beacon]

Don't ask in every channel

[mental drum]

I need answer asap, stfu

hypocrite

[remote swallow]

spigot 👍

[hybrid mist]

i need help i have already created all the code for the plugin and stuff but i dont know how to download the plugin file

[chrome beacon]

What

You vibe coded something and need help compiling it?

[hybrid mist]

i dont know how to download it so its in a file like this

[chrome beacon]

You don't download anything, you compile it

And for Intellij to do that it needs the dependencies like Spigot

The easiest way is to setup a maven project with the Spigot API dependency info in it

?maven

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-maven/

[hybrid mist]

thank you

[chrome beacon]

Though really you should start with understanding the basics of Java first if you haven't programmed anything before

?learnjava

[undone axle]

For Beginners:

Codecademy - Learn Java: Interactive Java programming course from basics to more advanced concepts. Perfect for absolute beginners.
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
JetBrains Academy - Java Developer Track: Learn by doing with projects and challenges. It covers Java fundamentals to advanced topics.
https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/
Udemy - Java Programming Masterclass for Software Developers: Updated courses that cover Java 8 to Java 17 features. Suitable for those who prefer structured learning.
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/

For Intermediate to Advanced Learners:

Oracle Java Tutorials: The official guides by Oracle for Java programming—great for understanding the depth of Java.
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
Baeldung - Learn Java and Spring: Focus on Spring Framework and modern Java technologies. Best for intermediate learners aiming to expand their knowledge.
https://www.baeldung.com/

Practice and Hands-on Learning:

Exercism - Java Track: Solve exercises and get feedback from mentors. Great for practicing coding skills.
https://exercism.io/tracks/java
LeetCode: Practice your coding skills and prepare for technical interviews with Java.
https://leetcode.com/

Free Resources and Documentation:

Java Programming and Documentation: A comprehensive collection of Java programming guides, tutorials, and API documentation.
https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/

Community and Support:

Stack Overflow: A vast community of developers. Great for getting help with specific problems or understanding concepts.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/java
r/learnjava on Reddit: Join the community of Java learners and get advice, share resources, and discuss projects.
https://www.reddit.com/r/learnjava/

Remember: Learning to program takes practice and patience. Don't hesitate to experiment with code and participate in community discussions. Happy coding! 🎉

[thorn isle]

You should've seen more of choco's pr's through, then

For every "paper can do this" there is usually a matching "I had a pr for this but it got dropped"

[hybrid mist]

also if i fix something in the code do i need to compile it again?

[young knoll]

Yes

[hybrid mist]

oh ok thanks

[alpine cairn]

Hello. I am trying to update a plugin to 1.21.11.

In gradle/libs.versions.toml I have "paper-api = "io.papermc.paper:paper-api:1.21.11-R0.1-SNAPSHOT""

In build.gradle.kts I have "minecraftVersion("1.21.11")"

And in paper.yml I have "api-version: 1.21.11" but when I try to use the plugin I get an error message that says that 1.21.11 is not supported. Any ideas?

[chrome beacon]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[alpine cairn]

Paper is built on Spigot

Actually I don't know why anyone would use spigot instead of paper

[chrome beacon]

You're not using Spigots system at all there

[slender elbow]

something something hard fork

also seeing the actual error stack trace would help

[alpine cairn]

What is the the command to pull up that paste thing?

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[thorn isle]

something somewhere in the plugin is checking the server version and printing that message

find it and update it to accept this new version, or disable it altogether

[alpine cairn]

https://pastes.dev/pNE2pee6pT

Here is the error in question

[thorn isle]

is command api shaded in or how is it bundled into the project?

[alpine cairn]

I'm not sure, I can't find it atm

What is meant by "shaded in"?

[thorn isle]

send your build script

[alpine cairn]

uhhh

I've just been using the gradle UI

clicking "clean" then "build"

[thorn isle]

that runs the gradle build script

[slender elbow]

build script = build.gradle(.kts) file

[thorn isle]

it's a file at the root of the project named build.gradle.kts or without the kts if it's groovy or some shit

[alpine cairn]

oh thanks

[thorn isle]

for maven projects, this would be pom.xml

[alpine cairn]

https://pastes.dev/NCGTt1IFxa

[thorn isle]

i hate gradle

[chrome beacon]

Real

[ember gulch]

fr

[chrome beacon]

Make sure you use CommandAPI 11.1.0

[alpine cairn]

I have been told that kotlin is better than Maven

[chrome beacon]

Kotlin is a programming language, Maven is a build system

[alpine cairn]

I mean gradle kotlin

[thorn isle]

implementation(libs.commandapi.shade) find wherever the hell this is defined and make sure the version is 11.1.0

[alpine cairn]

Found it

[thorn isle]

basically what is happening is that you are bundling in a dependency (command api) into your plugin jar, but the version you're bundling in doesn't support 1.21.11

because of course a command api would need nms

[alpine cairn]

That makes sense

Moment of truth

I set "commandapi-shade = "dev.jorel:commandapi-paper-shade:11.1.0"" but this causes other errors now when trying to build the project

Cannot resolve symbol 'PlayerArgument'

Cannot resolve method 'failWithAdventureComponent' in 'CommandAPIBukkit'

[chrome beacon]

You're depending on the Paper version and trying to use a Bukkit/Spigot version method

since you're depending on Paper you should migrate your code

[alpine cairn]

Okay

[thorn isle]

honestly get rid of the whole api

if it's this fragile you're better off without it

[mortal vortex]

so true

[thick tundra]

heyy, im building a custom world generator. I have come across a issue i cant seem to figure out. All the chunks are populated nicely, but the spawn chunks are all grass blocks for some reason, and i cant seem to figure out how to override it

nvm, it seems to have something to do with ops.json

[alpine cairn]

You don’t think it’s important to the functionality of the plugin?

[echo basalt]

commandapi's dope

PlayerArgument doesn't exist no more

seems like a migration from v10 to v11

[alpine cairn]

Dang

[echo basalt]

use EntitySelector.OnePlayer instead

[alpine cairn]

Is there new syntax?

Oka, I’ll try that

[echo basalt]

It'll give you @e and @p etc

[alpine cairn]

@echo basalt Any idea what I can replace "failWithAdventureComponent" with?

[echo basalt]

No idea, never used that

[alpine cairn]

To the docuemntation I go

[frozen mauve]

i've been trying to complile https://github.com/Auxilor/EcoBits but everytime i fail, if i get the jar file the server wont read it, or the jar file completely fails, any help please?

[mortal vortex]

How are you compiling?

Commands and their outputs would be helpful.

[frozen mauve]

In vscode doing gradle build

Will give the errors once im on my pc

[cloud perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[spare sequoia]

dms?

[frozen mauve]

Not home atm :/

[spare sequoia]

alr nws

[cloud perch]

What you tryna do boy

[spare sequoia]

Looking for a manager/dev

[cloud perch]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[frozen mauve]

alr im home rn

Starting a Gradle Daemon, 3 incompatible and 1 stopped Daemons could not be reused, use --status for details
> Task :eco-core:core-plugin:compileKotlin FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':eco-core:core-plugin:compileKotlin'.
> Could not resolve all files for configuration ':eco-core:core-plugin:compileClasspath'.
> Could not find me.clip:placeholderapi:2.11.2.
     Searched in the following locations:
       - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - file:/C:/Users/Azryx/.m2/repository/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://jitpack.io/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://repo.codemc.org/repository/nms/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://repo.codemc.io/repository/maven-public/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://repo.dmulloy2.net/repository/public/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
       - https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/me/clip/placeholderapi/2.11.2/placeholderapi-2.11.2.pom
     Required by:
         project :eco-core:core-plugin

* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
> Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.

You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.

For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.3/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.

BUILD FAILED in 45s
9 actionable tasks: 6 executed, 3 up-to-date```

compiling source from https://github.com/Auxilor/EcoBits

[frozen mauve]

in ECOBITS-1.8.4 when changing compileOnly("me.clip:placeholderapi:2.11.2") to be the latest version aka compileOnly("me.clip:placeholderapi:2.11.7") the builds works perfectly, but for some reason when putting the eco-core-1.8.4.jar inside my plugins folder i get this error

java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Directory 'plugins/.paper-remapped/eco-core-1.8.4.jar' does not contain a paper-plugin.yml or plugin.yml! Could not determine plugin type, cannot load a plugin from it!
        at io.papermc.paper.plugin.provider.source.FileProviderSource.registerProviders(FileProviderSource.java:85) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paper.plugin.provider.source.DirectoryProviderSource.registerProviders(DirectoryProviderSource.java:52) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paper.plugin.provider.source.DirectoryProviderSource.registerProviders(DirectoryProviderSource.java:17) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paper.plugin.util.EntrypointUtil.registerProvidersFromSource(EntrypointUtil.java:15) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paper.plugin.PluginInitializerManager.load(PluginInitializerManager.java:113) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at net.minecraft.server.Main.main(Main.java:108) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paper.PaperBootstrap.boot(PaperBootstrap.java:21) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main.main(Main.java:242) ~[paper-1.21.11.jar:1.21.11-72-cd445fd]
        at io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.lambda$main$0(Paperclip.java:42) ~[?:?]
        at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1583) ~[?:?]
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Directory 'plugins/.paper-remapped/eco-core-1.8.4.jar' does not contain a paper-plugin.yml or plugin.yml! Could not determine plugin type, cannot load a plugin from it!
        ... 10 more``` 
and plugin doesnt work

[chrome beacon]

You seem to be using the wrong jar

The completed plugin is in the bin folder

[shadow pumice]

Hey! i have a question regarding publishing a premium plugin on spigot, in which channel do i ask?

[chrome beacon]

You can ask here if you want

[grim hound]

is it possible to achieve a floating point error in java 17+?

on purpose ofc

[lilac dagger]

floating point error?

like 2f % 1f == 0.000001?

[pseudo hazel]

is int % using floats?

[lilac dagger]

% works for both int and floats

[pseudo hazel]

yeah ik

[young knoll]

It’s always possible

That’s just how floating point values work

[lilac dagger]

yeah, can't really be fixed

[young knoll]

Just like how you can’t accurately represent some numbers in base 10, you can’t accurately represent some numbers in base 2

A good example is 1/3

[grim hound]

I mean like architectural fp err

since java 17 introduced strictfp by default

and there are no longer differences between different architectures doing the same arithmetic

[woven lake]

Hi, is there any way to set the fish arrival time in Spigot 1.8? Or do I just need to update the engine?

        Player p = e.getPlayer();
        UUID uuid = p.getUniqueId();
        ItemStack rod = p.getItemInHand();

        // Sprawdzenie czy to nasza specjalna wędka
        if (rod == null || !rod.hasItemMeta() || !rod.getItemMeta().hasDisplayName()
                || !rod.getItemMeta().getDisplayName().contains("§7§oWedka")) {
            return;
        }

        // Rzucenie wędki
        if (e.getState() == State.FISHING) {
            FishHook fishHook = e.getHook();
            if (fishHook != null) {

                setHookName(fishHook, WAIT_SECONDS);

                  if (e.getState() == State.FISHING) {
                      FishHook fishHook = e.getHook();
                      if (fishHook != null) {
          
                          setHookName(fishHook, WAIT_SECONDS);
                          hook.setMaxWaitTime(WAIT_SECONDS);
                      }
                      return;
                  }
            }
            return;
        }
}```

[sullen marlin]

not in the 1.8 API so need to update

might be in NMS, who knows

?howold 1.8

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.8

[fleet ridge]

How to I active hyperportalbreaking

[bright spire]

I can add it on my fork

[sullen marlin]

wtf is hyperportalbreaking

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/hyperportalbreaking.87022/

Installation Guide:
Make sure you join the Discord for update notifications and support.

Download HyperPortalBreaking.
Put the HyperPortalBreaking jar file into your server's plugins folder.
Restart your server.
If you want to configure messages, go in the HyperPortalBreaking folder, which is inside the plugins folder, open the config.yml, and set the messages to whatever you'd like.
Restart your server.
Enjoy! ❤️

[rotund ravine]

Looks like it’s just some endportal stuff maybe?

[thorn isle]

active hyperportalbreaking!

[robust helm]

It does sound cool though 😎

[tranquil pecan]

Ah yes adding hyper before anything makes it sound cool

For example HyperKento

[mortal vortex]

hyper ruined bolic

[tender shard]

Is there any way to check for "player entering nether portal" without checking Player/EntityMoveEvent or checking their location every tick when "allow-nether" is disabled?

Because PlayerPortalEvent or however its called is not fired when the nether is disabled

[mortal vortex]

EntityPortalEnterEvent doesnt work?

[tender shard]

oh I must have overseen that. Thanks, I'll try

[mortal vortex]

Called when an entity comes into contact with a portal

This looks like a collision check.

[umbral ridge]

whats that hook class?

[woven lake]

Yes

[onyx fjord]

Or just update

1.8 times are gone

You would be surprised how many 1.8 servers actually run more modern versions and just appear as 1.8

Even hypixel these days is prepping for an update because 1.8 is lacking

However not sure if it's just big back port

[lilac dagger]

1.8 is old

there's no way people can't run modern minecraft by now

[bright spire]

Its just better for low memory and low cpu instead of paying for a $120 dedi you can just run 80 players on a $20 one

When you cant afford hardware you can compensate with software

[tender shard]

Everyone who still runs 1.8 today should be executed imho

it's like using Windows XP

[umbral ridge]

windows xp is still used in almost half of industrial companies

[bright spire]

A lot of people just use linux because they cannot run Windows 11 or 10. You have to be respectful and more understanding, not everyone in the world has that amount of money, and sometimes you just have some small cash to spare. Tho if you really think we have to execute poor people, well, there are extremist political movements for that.

Forks of 1.8 are the same as Linux to Windows XP, is not the latest upgrade, but it's a modern and fast alternative 👍

[tender shard]

wtf no, bullshit

what the hack are you havering

[ivory sleet]

lol

[lilac dagger]

xp doesn't even work on any sort of modern hardware no?

[ivory sleet]

1.8 is just very outdated software

idk if u need to give it an analogy

[young knoll]

XP was the best though

Not biased

[lilac dagger]

It was

But it can't do anything newer

Does it even support x64?

[bright spire]

If you cannot run latest, run something similar to the old one but updated, (icewm linux with windows xp theme is same course of action as running a modern 1.8 fork instead of 1.21)

[bright spire]

Yes it does with service pack i had it

[tender shard]

why would anybody cannot run latest?

[bright spire]

Because it has much higher hardware requirements not everyone can afford that much on hosting

[ivory sleet]

:,)

[young knoll]

It needs like 2GB of ram

[slender elbow]

hardware requirements or budget is not the reason people run 1.8 in the first place

like, far from it

[young knoll]

Granted RAM is like $100/GB these days

But still

Even crappy free hosts offer latest

[grim ice]

latest=/=better

subjective opinion

[fleet ridge]

So the mod will let me break end portals?

[slender elbow]

not a mod

but that's what the plugin description says, yes

[tender shard]

well you do you

however latest = supported and 12 years old version = unsupported

are you also running your server on ubuntu 12.04?

[shadow pumice]

Question, so i made a poll plugin, under which category do i upload it? (the poll is done through a gui)

[slender elbow]

yawn

[zealous scroll]

Is it just e, or is the death protection consume effect sound not working?

        itemStack.setData(DataComponentTypes.DEATH_PROTECTION, DeathProtection.deathProtection()
                .addEffect(ConsumeEffect.playSoundConsumeEffect(Registry.SOUNDS.getKey(Sound.ITEM_BOOK_PAGE_TURN)))
                .build());

it just plays the default one

[chrome beacon]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[eager ermine]

Can someone please help me. im trying to make a plugin that if you do /ffa in a server (lobby) that you get tpd to a other server (duels1) in a spefic world and location. Im trying so hard to make it for the last week.

[chrome beacon]

What part are you having troubles with?

[eager ermine]

Sending someone in a specific location in a other server

[chrome beacon]

You'd send the player to a different server with a plugin messaging channel request to the proxy. Now moving them to a specific location in that server isn't a built in action and would require you to have your plugin on that server and then informing that plugin instance of the request

[sullen marlin]

You'll need the plugin on both servers and some way to communicate between the two

[chrome beacon]

^ There are multiple ways of going about that. You can for example make your own proxy plugin to relay that or you can use a messaging service or just do direct communication via a socket

[sullen marlin]

Even a database would be ok

[chrome beacon]

That would also work

[sullen marlin]

Or in very recent versions, a cookie

[chrome beacon]

oh yeah I forgot about those

[lilac dagger]

messaging system only works when there's at least one player online, which might be a bummer to some

[sullen marlin]

I think he meant a real message queue like RabbitMQ or whatever

[lilac dagger]

you can have cookies in minecraft?

[chrome beacon]

Yes

It's a pretty new feature but it can be used when sending people with the transfer packet

[lilac dagger]

i see

interesting

[lilac dagger]

i use sockets myself to achieve a similar system

[buoyant viper]

yeah /give winnpixie minecraft:cookie 64

[mortal vortex]

To confirm, the latest release of Minecraft is deobfuscated yeah?

[sullen marlin]

there is a deobfuscated version available, but 1.21.11 is not deobfuscated

26.1 snapshot is

[eager ermine]

How to make a plugin that in tab you can change who you see when you crouch as a example normally I see everyone but if I crouch that sets me in a other mode where I see my friends

[drowsy helm]

listen for the player crouching, then send the player info packets

somewhat complicated to get into tab packets, so if you're not familiar just use a library

[eager ermine]

Thanks

[ancient mulch]

yo im curious if anyone thinks this would be possible / already exists; any way to design a plugin that would allow players to have all chunks currently loaded on the server loaded on their client?

[sullen marlin]

Wdym

[buoyant viper]

what would be the point for it

its not like the client can really make use of a chunk 1k blocks away from them

and on a lower end machine this would probably not be an efficient idea

[ancient mulch]

when using a distance mod like voxy it would theoretically allow you to see entities in other players' chunks (mainly the other players being the point)

yeah for like a 3 person server it'd triple the load, not meant to be used for like a 200 player server

[ancient mulch]

at least I assume that's how it'd work with entities

was just trying to figure out a way to make other players visible from a long distance with voxy and that idea popped into my head

[sullen marlin]

But a player 1000 blocks away would be like 0.1 pixels

[drowsy helm]

you obviously dont understand how much immersion that adds

simpleton

[tender shard]

ofc that' be possible, just add chunk tickets

and then check them every 20 ticks or so

TPS gonna die though if you got more than 100 players

[lilac dagger]

If mem won't first

[granite plaza]

hello uhh I don't even know how to say what the problem is since I only started but any idea how I can fix that issue:

    <dependencies>
        <dependency>
            <groupId>io.papermc.waterfall</groupId>
            <artifactId>waterfall-api</artifactId>
            <version>1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>
    </dependencies>

I am trying to make a waterfall plugin but these lines are always red and I can't get build success

any idea why?

[ember gulch]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[granite plaza]

?

[chrome beacon]

This is the Spigot/Bungeecord discord

[granite plaza]

I know, I already tried spigot dependency and it didnt work

[chrome beacon]

and you are not using Spigot or Bungeecord

[slender elbow]

isn't waterfall dead anyway

[chrome beacon]

I believe so

[granite plaza]

I prefer waterfall than velocity

[slender elbow]

you prefer an outdated exploitable unmaintained project than an updated and maintained one?

that's a strange decision

[granite plaza]

no I use waterfall forks

e.g. xcord, flamecord. They both are better than velocity for me

[slender elbow]

good then you can use your fork's API and seek support to your fork, or depend on bungeecord API and use bungeecord at runtime and ask about errors with it here

[granite plaza]

I'm sorry cuz I am new to minecraft plugin development?

[slender elbow]

that's okay, the gist of it is you should ask support to the people you actually use the software from

in any case, you should at least share the error or log

[granite plaza]

I thought they all use the same api

[ember gulch]

if you're new you should either watch some tutorials or start with spigot api

[granite plaza]

I would if I knew how 💔

using eclipse

[chrome beacon]

Don't go complaining to Google that you cannot download Microsoft Edge

Just because one is based on the other does not mean they're the same

[granite plaza]

I am not new to coding but I am to minecraft coding

[slender elbow]

idrk about eclipse, but if you run maven on a terminal that will spit out all the logs

[granite plaza]

[INFO] Scanning for projects...
[INFO] 
[INFO] ----------------------< si.terona:TeronaFallBack >----------------------
[INFO] Building TeronaFallBack 1.0
[INFO]   from pom.xml
[INFO] --------------------------------[ jar ]---------------------------------
[WARNING] The POM for io.papermc.waterfall:waterfall-api:jar:1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT is missing, no dependency information available
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] BUILD FAILURE
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time:  0.126 s
[INFO] Finished at: 2026-01-11T16:31:56+01:00
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ERROR] Failed to execute goal on project TeronaFallBack: Could not resolve dependencies for project si.terona:TeronaFallBack:jar:1.0
[ERROR] dependency: io.papermc.waterfall:waterfall-api:jar:1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT (provided)
[ERROR]     io.papermc.waterfall:waterfall-api:jar:1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT was not found in https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/ during a previous attempt. This failure was cached in the local repository and resolution is not reattempted until the update interval of papermc has elapsed or updates are forced
[ERROR] 
[ERROR] -> [Help 1]
[ERROR] 
[ERROR] To see the full stack trace of the errors, re-run Maven with the -e switch.
[ERROR] Re-run Maven using the -X switch to enable full debug logging.
[ERROR] 
[ERROR] For more information about the errors and possible solutions, please read the following articles:
[ERROR] [Help 1] http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/DependencyResolutionException

[chrome beacon]

Now get us the log when you're depending on Bungeecord

[ember gulch]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[chrome beacon]

also this ^

[granite plaza]

how?

[chrome beacon]

Depend on Bungeecord

Reload maven

profit

You did say you already tried that so you should know how 🤔

[granite plaza]

tried what?

I am so lost right now

[ember gulch]

what are you trying to do?

[slender elbow]

while the java API is likely to be the same or very similar, the maven dependency artifact could have different set of requirements for your maven setup to satisfy like a java version or needing to add some or such property, repositories etc

[granite plaza]

I am trying to make a plugin that always checks all hubs if they are offline or online so if e.g. hub1 goes down you get connected to hub2 the other way around. So if both hubs are down you get connected to limbo-wait server where you wait for any hub to come up and when e.g. hub2 comes online you automaticly get connected there

and also it adds loadbalance for players with a queue system so it doesnt spam servers with players

[slender elbow]

depending on base bungeecord

net.md_5 bungeecord-api or something idk the artifact id

[granite plaza]

I will try to do it on intellij idea

[ember gulch]

waterfall is no longer maintained, so I'd suggest choosing another proxy server

[granite plaza]

yeah I am currently using xcord but will switch to flamecord when my system admin reinstalls mounts to our nodes

[granite plaza]

welp

I figured it out

[16:32:07 INFO] [TeronaFallBack]: TeronaFallBack ENABLED

love that message ❤️

[tender shard]

are you stupid or "special" or sth?

because spigot itself will print out when it enables a plugin

[eager ermine]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[mortal hare]

spiggot

[alpine urchin]

whose paper is this

venerablevulnerable

[thorn isle]

1.8 is certainly venerable

on account of being as old as dust

[alpine urchin]

the spelling in that small section alone is quite questionable

[buoyant viper]

log4shell? think it did get backpatched actually

but only like server 1.8.8 and client 1.8.9

[thorn isle]

it did

[young knoll]

Wait

[alpine urchin]

hi

im in ur country

buddy

[young knoll]

1.8 through 1.18, wasn’t log4jshell found out at like

[buoyant viper]

https://tenor.com/view/america-ya-gif-5529048518016509824

[young knoll]

1.16.2

[buoyant viper]

i remember it making its rounds near 1.18

[young knoll]

Huh it was 1.18

[buoyant viper]

1.18 i think released with it patched, or 1.18.1 whatever

[young knoll]

Damn

[buoyant viper]

and then mojang backported fixes to each final release for older versions

[young knoll]

At least one thing in that paper is correct

Is that paper like google translated or something

[buoyant viper]

i think i link to mojang stuff on https://github.com/winnpixie/log4noshell/ actually

m yes 1.18.1 was natively patched

[lethal kayak]

hello

how to compile gradle plugin

idk how to code

if anyone could help

it's a 1.8.8 plugin and java 8

[chrome beacon]

gradle build usually

[lethal kayak]

yea but like i'm in intellj rn and I don't understand anything

[chrome beacon]

can call the gradle wrapper (gradlew)

if you're in Intellij you can do so in the gradle tab on the right

[lethal kayak]

but do I need to download the dependencies or smth?

[chrome beacon]

depends on the project

[lethal kayak]

i want to compile this https://github.com/Neeonn/FootCube

[chrome beacon]

it'll probably be fine

give it a try

[lethal kayak]

ok

[thorn isle]

the point of gradle is for it to download the dependencies for you automatically

but sometimes, especially for nms projects, people define "local" dependencies which have to be available locally, i.e. either built on your machine or downloaded to your machine

try it and see

looking at your particular build script, all of those dependencies should be reliably available online and probably from the defined repositories also

except for spigot 1.8.8, i'm not sure if that is still on the spigot repo

[lethal kayak]

• What went wrong:
  Execution failed for task ':compileJava'.

Error while evaluating property 'javaCompiler' of task ':compileJava'.
Failed to calculate the value of task ':compileJava' property 'javaCompiler'.
Cannot find a Java installation on your machine matching this tasks requirements: {languageVersion=11, vendor=any vendor, implementation=vendor-specific} for WINDOWS on x86_64.
No locally installed toolchains match and toolchain download repositories have not been configured.

[thorn isle]

Cannot find a Java installation on your machine matching this tasks requirements: {languageVersion=11,

install

[lethal kayak]

Java 11?

[thorn isle]

yes

or higher

[lethal kayak]

Ok

[thorn isle]

you can also install it through the ide but i don't remember if gradle will see it

[lethal kayak]

i'll just download myself

no worries

Yo

It worked guys

Thanks for the help

I appriciate it

[verbal crow]

hey,
I use https://github.com/jpenilla/run-task to install and start paper server using gradle runServer.
Is there a way to start it with console? Looks like console work if try to write help or something, but gradle feels bad + autocomplete didn't work.
Or maybe there is a way to connect to paper server console from another terminal?

[chrome beacon]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[thorn isle]

i think the console is there by default and needs to be disabled by --nogui or something

maybe see if the task passes that to the server by default

[verbal crow]

it is there, but probably gradle assume that command will not be interactive.
So, it mess console with its output

[thorn isle]

console as in a gui window with a command log, command input, a player list, and iirc a memory usage graph?

or as in in the terminal gradle is running in

[chrome beacon]

They're talking about the terminal inside Intellij

It does not have autocompletion and stuff like it when running from a gradle task

[thorn isle]

in addition to that there is a gui window with the noted widgets

but it's suppressed by --nogui

though i don't remember if that has autocomplete either; iirc it does

[verbal crow]

console in the terminal
I think gradle runServer pass --nogui to server

[verbal crow]

I am telling about terminal emulator, kitty in my case

[thorn isle]

there might be an option to disable that being passed, better ask in the paper discord about it

i know you can add flags to be passed for runserver

not so sure about omitting flags passed by default, you'd think so though

[chrome beacon]

Pretty sure they just want the terminal to work

not the GUI

[thorn isle]

don't know about that

[young knoll]

I mean the gui kinda sucks

It’s just the terminal with a crappy ram graph that doesn’t tell you much, especially with xmx and xms set the same

[thorn isle]

but hey if it has autocomplete, it still sucks less than gradle, which sucks also and sucks more

you're better off with ant

[young knoll]

The terminal console has autocomplete iirc

No idea about the gui

[buoyant viper]

the gui has autocomplete?

[quaint mantle]

What's the standard or common practice for making a plugin that supports a wide range of versions?

like 1.16.5-1.21

[vast ledge]

Have reflections of the code for each version and call the reflection from a version independent class

[quaint mantle]

I suppose that would get really messy

is there no cleaner way?

[vast ledge]

Not afaik

[buoyant viper]

use the oldest API version u wish to support, and then probably try to multi-module :v

[quaint mantle]

multi-module as in where you have a adapter class and then seperate code for each version right?

[buoyant viper]

yes

[quaint mantle]

i cannot find any tutorial

written article

forum

or any kind of thing

to help me do that bro 😭

ive been searching

[buoyant viper]

if version == another then
adapter = adapterForThatVersion();

idk

alternatively: only support latest 😈🔥

server owners fault for not updating

[quaint mantle]

yeah no but dude some versions use different version of java so how do you compile it into 1 jar

and the spigot API for different versions too, how would you import the correct API

i cant find any tutorial wrtitten or video to explain me how to setup a system like that 😭

[vast ledge]

Compile on oldest Java version required

[sullen marlin]

Can you please ask in more channels

[mortal vortex]

LOL

[lilac dagger]

@mental drum https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bot-creator.111449/

it won't stress test chunk loading for example but it can run commands and such

i use it to test my minigames

[mental drum]

Dont tell me what to do

[mental drum]

Thanks mate

[lilac dagger]

i'd listen to md if i were you

[quaint mantle]

and dont I need to use different Spigot API version if Im writing code for 1.16.5 as when compared to writing for 1.21?

[cloud perch]

https://github.com/andrei1058/BedWars1058

You can see how bedwars1058 does it

[quaint mantle]

oh, okay, thank you

[mortal vortex]

tides is a sigma

[quaint mantle]

i really dont understand much by just reading their code