help-development

[echo basalt]

it could be the server also sending packets on top

[wet breach]

quite possible since there is like 3-4 packets that cause updates in general

which is quite annoying

[echo basalt]

it's one big light update packet

and a light + chunk update

I'm not sure if the server's fighting me or if it's the client

I think it's the client

[wet breach]

only way to know if it is the client would be to intercept on the client but that would be a pain to implement

[echo basalt]

Uhh remind me was there a way to have an invisible entity display

they have a brightness thing

[wet breach]

yes entity displays can be invisible

as they have the invisible tag

[echo basalt]

I don't think they'd display the data then

[wet breach]

/data merge entity <selector> {Invisible:1b} this is how you would do it using vanilla commands

[young knoll]

Display entities are already invisible

Except for whatever they are displaying of course

[wet breach]

I assumed they meant completely invisible?

[young knoll]

Just don’t have them display anything

But then what’s the point in it even existing

[wet breach]

true you could do that too

[echo basalt]

we probably need scale or something idk

I just need its brightness feature to work

[young knoll]

That just controls how bright it gets rendered

[echo basalt]

hm

[wet breach]

there are some handy things you can do with invisible entities though

[young knoll]

If you want invisible light use light blocks

[echo basalt]

yeah but light blocks scatter

I don't need scatter

[wet breach]

sounds like you would be better off with some kind of custom shader

[echo basalt]

This guy basically wants a spotlight

could be doable with shaders but I'm not a shader dev

light blocks it is

[wet breach]

that doesn't look too bad

[echo basalt]

but if the build's tiny the scatter's too big

we could lower scatter but that means lowering brightness

[wet breach]

if only you could lower the darkness instead

[echo basalt]

you mean apply high brightness and darken everything around? yeah gl with that too

the lighting engine adds light, it doesn't remove

if I have a source of 15 + a source of 4

the 15 outshines the 4

[wet breach]

well, not quite. Just meant that if you could lower the darkness you wouldn't need to lower the brightness as it would appear to get brighter or dimmer

but yeah, can't really do that either

would be nice

[young knoll]

Clearly we need dark blocks

[mortal vortex]

add antimatter to minecraft

[young knoll]

It’s already there

You just can’t see it

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-earth-explosion-world-exploding-gif-25091517

[echo basalt]

breakthrough

[mortal vortex]

shaders?

[echo basalt]

no

still lights

still packets

Batch updates instead of a packet per block

and it only works if the ceiling is covered

doesn't work with natural light afaik

well it kinda does

but it's cursed

it also breaks a lot

Lots of artifacting

[young knoll]

Oh good lighting glitches are back

I missed those after Mojang mostly fixed them

[echo basalt]

I can probably fix those by tracking light data

but that's not worth the price I'm charging

[buoyant viper]

i dont think they ever left

in mojangs defense, spigot is not intended

[echo basalt]

I think this is the best I can get it going

[echo basalt]

https://sourceb.in/jL7OiCkm0y

In case someone needs it later

bit hacky with multi world support but I dgaf

and I just realized I'm looping over the same collection twice

[thorn isle]

i also had this issue when doing something similar; it looks like the client just loses track of light updates if you send too many

i ended up sending each light update several times so it would for sure get processed by the client

[echo basalt]

In my case updating the neighbouring chunks that don't have any light data does the trick

[mighty mountain]

Hi guys can anyone help me how to make rpg class work in mmoitem mythic mobs itemsadder model engine cause mine is a rpg server

I appreciate if someone could help me

[echo basalt]

Buddy you'll have to get into detail about what you want instead of asking the same question every hour

[mortal vortex]

public final class RocketPropelledGrenade extends ExplosiveProjectileWeapon {

    private final float blastRadiusMeters;
    private final float directHitDamage;
    private final float splashDamage;
    private final float projectileSpeedMetersPerSecond;
    private final int maxAmmo;

    private int currentAmmo;

    @Override
    public boolean canFire() {
        return currentAmmo > 0 && !isReloading();
    }

Here's how I would design an RPG class tbh

[mighty mountain]

Like how do I make it work

Could I send u the file?

[thorn isle]

meters

[buoyant viper]

bro wants metres

[thorn isle]

also that but in the game you usually see things being measured in blocks

[thorn isle]

what is "it"

what are you trying to do

[buoyant viper]

i mean a block is a metre

[thorn isle]

maybe

though i'm not sure if that's defined anywhere

[young knoll]

I believe it is

[thorn isle]

or no, maybe the player statistics refer to distance as metres

[young knoll]

Through the travel distance stats

[thorn isle]

myeah

i'd still prefer block, though, since that is more immediately clear

[buoyant viper]

i would ditch a measurement form altogether lol

blastRadius and projectileSpeed

the metrics? fuck around and find out

[young knoll]

Nautical miles per minute

Technically light year is also time!

But it’s just a year

[crimson token]

player.getWorld().spawnParticle(
Particle.REDSTONE,
loc,
25, // number of particles
new Particle.DustOptions(Color.fromRGB(255, 255, 255), 1.0F)
);

// Yellow particle
player.getWorld().spawnParticle(
Particle.REDSTONE,
loc,
25, // number of particles
new Particle.DustOptions(Color.fromRGB(255, 255, 0), 1.0F)
);

Im getting this error "Cannot resolve symbol 'REDSTONE'"

how could i fix

[worldly ingot]

It's just called "dust" now isn't it?

[crimson token]

let me try that

omg ty

[tranquil pecan]

is that ai 🤔

[crimson token]

i put it through ai to fix it

but it made it weird

[umbral ridge]

i also think dust can be custom color

rgba

[umbral ridge]

is there a simple way to retrieve all chests (and their contents) within a region? double/single

I feel like doing a for loop through all blocks would be bad? because.. what if theres a double chest, how do i check if its a double chest or a single chest?

[eternal oxide]

    public List<Chest> getAllChests(Chunk chunk) {

        return Arrays.stream(chunk.getTileEntities()).filter(Chest.class::isInstance).map(Chest.class::cast).collect(Collectors.toList()); //newer Java .toList();
    }```

[pseudo hazel]

the real question is how to handle double chests on the edge of the border where one half is outside

[umbral ridge]

that cant happen in my case

[solid cargo]

Maybe just check if the chest has 27 or 54 slots?

[umbral ridge]

oh so its a tile entity? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[solid cargo]

Thats my schizo approach

[umbral ridge]

thank you for that, ill play around

[pseudo hazel]

yes, chests are tile entities

[cinder abyss]

Okay thanks, do you know how can I generate a loot table in a chest too ?

Is there something in the api for this or do I need nms ?

[chrome beacon]

The loot table has a fill inventory method

[cinder abyss]

Okay perfect thanks 😄

[chrome beacon]

Or if you want to set the loot table on a chest theres a different method for that

[cinder abyss]

Yeah that's what I want

I see on spigot api that there is fillInventory for the inventory but it's different for chest inventories ?

[chrome beacon]

Setting a loot table is different than putting in items

If you want to set the loot table call set lootable on the Chest

[surreal wadi]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[leaden veldt]

Hi, how can I serialize an ItemStack to Base64 and a Base64 value to an Itemstack?

[hybrid spoke]

you could use https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/util/io/BukkitObjectOutputStream.html in combination with a bytearrayoutputstream and use the Base64 class to encode

to deserialize you just flip the table and use the input streams

[leaden veldt]

ty :)

[autumn zinc]

How i can create a Sign object, without using a placed block?

[thorn isle]

would that be the blockstate or the blockdata

[autumn zinc]

no, i need to create a sign in the code and than show it to player, with no any other blocks and so on

i think there is no way to do it

only using nms

[thorn isle]

are you intending to show the sign editing gui? there's an api method for that iirc

[slender elbow]

you can create a Sign blockstate via the respective sign BlockData

Material.FUCKALL_SIGN.createBlockData().createBlockState() or something or the other

and yes there is an api method to open a sign with it

no nms needed

[buoyant viper]

u know what would be kinda cool

if ServerListPingEvent was cancellable

like one niche use-case as a pseudo-firewall and thats all i got

[slender elbow]

or just disable enable-status in server.properties, though neither option would stop connections from knowing there's a minecraft server there

[thorn isle]

send a red "can't connect to server" as the motd

🤡

[young knoll]

Just reply with 404 not found

[buoyant viper]

but how would normal players see motd then 😞

[buoyant viper]

True

[autumn zinc]

is there? i didn't find any methods for this

[slender elbow]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/entity/Player.html#openSign(org.bukkit.block.Sign,org.bukkit.block.sign.Side)

[autumn zinc]

this method opens already existing sign in a world (which has already placed), so i'm need to show sign without existing sign

[thorn isle]

that is a blockdata sign

or no, that is a blockstate sign

but like emily said you can create one without placing a block

[autumn zinc]

unfortunately no

the sign must be placed by the player (or only in client)

[thorn isle]

iirc what people do is they create a sign block at the bedrock level for 1 tick before sending the packet

but i vaguely recall the method doing that internally already

[autumn zinc]

this question has already been asked here #help-development message

[thorn isle]

similarly to how Player::openBook places a written book in your hand for a tick

yea but that one is doing it through throwing packets at the player, not the api; i could be wrong but i recall the api method doing the sign placement for you

[autumn zinc]

I really hoped so

[autumn zinc]

it works, but i have a problem with sign, it is empty...

This #help-development message is the same problem

for some reason, signBlockEntity.getUpdatePacket(), don't change any lines

[thorn isle]

It looks sound

All I can think of is maybe delaying the editor open packet by a tick

And confirming that the sign lines are actually set on the client by looking at the sign without the editor

[wet sinew]

Hello. I'm new to NMS and I'm getting these errors during compilation

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.20.6</artifactId>
      <version>1.20.6</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.20.6.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.21.1</artifactId>
      <version>1.21.1</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.21.1.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

Im using remapped mojang jars

[tranquil pecan]

it needs craftbukkit and you are using spigot?

[wet sinew]

Yes i using spigot

But 1.17-1.16-1.18-1.19 nms doesnt have error

[quaint mantle]

Use local repository. And can you give us the reason you're using NMS?

[wet sinew]

NPC tracker

[wet sinew]

How idk

i used buildtools and saved local repository

And i getted jars in local repo

[vital sandal]

I have an issue with horses about horse keep rearing after jump

also tested with no plugin but still issue

it doesn't have this on vanilla

[thorn isle]

latency? i feel like this is how it's always worked, but then again i haven't touched vanilla since horses were added

[vital sandal]

is there any other way to resolve this :l

[quaint mantle]

Get closer to hosting region 🥀

[thorn isle]

i like that cactus

very cool

[slender elbow]

true

[thorn isle]

there should be a plugin that makes cacti grow with bulbous outgrowths like these

[buoyant viper]

when will we get sideways cactus

[thorn isle]

come to think of it, the way how the purpur plant things work is quite cactus-adjacent, isn't it

[buoyant viper]

the what is huh now

[thorn isle]

the shit in the end

[buoyant viper]

oh that purpur

i forgot that existed

[thorn isle]

it should be retextured to be green

[buoyant viper]

i thought u meant the server software and just could not wrap my head around what u were saying

[thorn isle]

chorus fruit i think it's actually called

most forgettable plant in the game

[buoyant viper]

maybe

true

[wet sinew]

Could not find artifact org.spigotmc.spigot:spigot-1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-remapped-mojang:pom:1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT in sonatype (https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/)

C:\Users\nixol.m2\repository\org\spigotmc\spigot-1.17.1-remapped-mojang\spigot-1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-remapped-mojang.jar here have a jar but saying error:

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-remapped-mojang</artifactId>
      <version>1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
      <scope>provided</scope>
  </dependency>

[young knoll]

Did 1.17.1 have mojmap?

[quaint mantle]

Classifier remapped-mojang?

[young knoll]

Iirc it started in 1.17.2

[wet sinew]

no

[eager roost]

1.14.4

[wet sinew]

<dependency>
<groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
<artifactId>spigot-1.17.1-remapped-mojang</artifactId>
<version>1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
<classifier>remapped-mojang</classifier>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>

i did but same error

https://imgur.com/a/0A4YGsA

Could not find artifact org.spigotmc:spigot-1.17.1-remapped-mojang🫙remapped-mojang:1.17.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT in sonatype (https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/)

Try to run Maven import with -U flag (force update snapshots)

[young knoll]

That’s when Mojang started releasing mappings

Doesn’t mean spigot did

[wet sinew]

https://imgur.com/a/juvQn0Y in here have a jar

[eager roost]

Ah, my bad

[tranquil pecan]

    private void applyFortune(Player player, Block block) {
        var skill = config.getSkill(block.getType());
        if (skill == null) return;

        var fortuneStat = skill.getFortuneStat();
        if (fortuneStat == null) return;

        var user = plugin.getUser(player);
        var total = (int) user.getStat(fortuneStat);
        if (total <= 0) return;

        var bonus = total / 100;
        var chance = total % 100;

        var tool = player.getInventory().getItemInMainHand();
        for (var drop : block.getDrops(tool)) {
            if (drop.getAmount() > 0) {
                int amount = drop.getAmount() + bonus;
                if (ThreadLocalRandom.current().nextInt(100) < chance) {
                    amount++;
                }
                drop.setAmount(Math.max(amount, 1));
            }
        }
    }```

Why does this work on farming stuff but not for foraging or mining?
Like when i mine carrots, potatoes i get modified amount but it's not same for ores or logs

[wet sinew]

Hello. I'm new to NMS and I'm getting these errors during compilation

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.20.6</artifactId>
      <version>1.20.6</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.20.6.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.21.1</artifactId>
      <version>1.21.1</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.21.1.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

Im using remapped mojang jars

[buoyant viper]

ur dependency paths look strange

[eternal oxide]

if you pulled those jars from buildtools, they are not remapped jars

[tranquil pecan]

Hm I think CraftBukkit/NMS classes are not included inside the Spigot jar

[buoyant viper]

?bootstrap

[undone axle]

Bootstrap Jar
The main spigot-1.18.jar is now a bootstrap jar which contains all libraries. You cannot directly depend on this jar. You should depend on Spigot/Spigot-API/target/spigot-api-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-shaded.jar, or the entire contents of the bundler directory from your server, or use a dependency manager such as Maven or Gradle to handle this automatically.

Please read the release notes for further information: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/9-years-of-spigotmc-spigot-bungeecord-1-18-1-18-1-release.534760/#post-4305163

[buoyant viper]

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[tranquil pecan]

Uh can someone look into this? I know i can just drop them manually but i want to know the reason

[glacial spindle]

could anyone make me a free custom plugin for my server with t pack too ?

[tranquil pecan]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[glacial spindle]

?

[quaint mantle]

Could anyone work for me for free?

[glacial spindle]

ya

is for a smp

[hybrid spoke]

cool! how much do you pay?

[glacial spindle]

bro do u not see free in the sentences

[hybrid spoke]

ohh you‘re right, my bad! let me sacrifice my own time and energy into something i dont believe in for free

[wet sinew]

im using buildtools and this jars remapped i checked with recaf buildtools have a remapped jars option

[wet breach]

#help-development message

follow the two posts in that link

[glacial spindle]

can any one make me a custom free minecraft plugin for a server ?

[hybrid spoke]

yes! how much do you pay?

[glacial spindle]

£0

[hybrid spoke]

must be a pathetic plugin if its not worth any money

[glacial spindle]

bro

-_-

[glacial spindle]

?

[smoky anchor]

?services go here, you won't get much success here

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[tranquil pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/reverend-insanity-gif-4503673188371920475

[wet sinew]

Error 404 in download link

Hello. I'm new to NMS and I'm getting these errors during compilation

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R1.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftServer
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.CraftWorld
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R4.entity.CraftPlayer
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol
cannot find symbol

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.20.6</artifactId>
      <version>1.20.6</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.20.6.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

  <dependency>
      <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
      <artifactId>spigot-1.21.1</artifactId>
      <version>1.21.1</version>
      <scope>system</scope>
      <systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/spigot-1.21.1.jar</systemPath>
  </dependency>

Im using remapped mojang jars

[glacial spindle]

What do I do there

[smoky anchor]

Make a post, it's a forum

[glacial spindle]

Pls ?

[glacial spindle]

How

[smoky anchor]

I don't know, I never did that. Try using your brain perhaps ?

[wet breach]

so you can't read?

[smoky anchor]

You don't need to repost the whole wall of text
What is giving you 404, "download link" is not specific enough. But I assume it's the link under Bootstrap Jar which is not what you want rn
You use BuildTools to generate the jars you want, then you depend on them as described in the post
Not whatever system bs you're doing
And if you're trying to depend on 2 versions at once... don't

[wet breach]

its the api jar, there is a download link next to it, but they don't need to download the api jar

obviously they can't read and would rather be spoonfed instead

lazy kids these days -.-

[wet sinew]

I'm new to NMS, and currently 1.16.5 - 1.17 - 1.18 - 1.19 are not causing any issues, but even though I'm using remapped jars with buildtools, it's the same.

[wet breach]

anyways, the two posts clearly tells them how to setup their maven pom

for what they are doing

[wet breach]

this is because those versions were not bundled

[glacial spindle]

Surely someone can make me a good plugin ?

For free

[wet breach]

surely you could make your own

[smoky anchor]

yes, ask on the fucking forum omg

[glacial spindle]

I'm fumb

[glacial spindle]

How tf do U do it

[smoky anchor]

this is not the place to ask such question

[wet breach]

well keep on asking here and one of the mods may just remove you just fyi

[glacial spindle]

I'm using chat gpt ig

[tranquil pecan]

then do it bro

[wet sinew]

but there are files on Recaf

[orchid trout]

do i have to use mojang mappings if i want nms on 1.21?

[tranquil pecan]

BlockDropItemEvent exists in 1.16.5 - 1.21?

ah man my head

nvm i found it

[chrome beacon]

No, but it's highly recommended

[orchid trout]

is this maven issue?
cannot access net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer
cannot access net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel
cannot access org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_21_R3.CraftWorld

[chrome beacon]

you'll be forced to do so in upcoming versions anyway

[chrome beacon]

Could be. Show your pom

[chrome beacon]

How are you building

[orchid trout]

maven package

[chrome beacon]

Through your IDE?

[orchid trout]

yers

[chrome beacon]

If you're using Intellij make sure you have a Java 21 jdk set in project settings

[orchid trout]

ty]

didnt think to check that

[quaint basin]

Can I run 300 players on an Intel Xeon-E3 1270 v6
4 c / 8 t
3.8 GHz / 4.2 GHz?

in the latest version

[thorn isle]

sure

[slender elbow]

sure

it probably won't be nice but you can

[quaint basin]

I'm talking about TPS on 20

And I'm going to divide the players into several servers

[dry hazel]

no lol

[buoyant viper]

20 tps @ 300 players?

if ur not running Minecraft, maybe

[quaint basin]

why it is not possible?

If each server has 50 players, and I have 6 servers, that already supports 300 players

A server running version 1.21 can handle 50 players with teleportation on 1.21 version I would say

The question is whether the processor can handle 6 Minecraft servers simultaneously

[young knoll]

Well it only has 4 real cores

[dry hazel]

if you think that it'll work, just try it and see

I doubt it's going to work well with even one server with 50 players

[thorn isle]

you have 4 physical cores, and the modern server does many things asynchronously; expect to see at least 3 maxed out cores with 50 players

running the numbers you need like 12 cores + headroom for the gc and jitter

and you're not going to run 50 players on a single instance on those specs either

[quaint basin]

So maybe I should look for better options at OVH

[young knoll]

How many threads does a modern server use at minimum

[quaint basin]

why not?

[thorn isle]

too slow

[slender elbow]

at a minimum? 1

[young knoll]

Obviously there’s the main thread, idk what the limits are for the worker threads and Netty threads

[quaint basin]

the cpu i said?

[thorn isle]

yes

too low single thread performance

[slender elbow]

you can configure the netty thread count on spigot.yml

[dry hazel]

the cpu is webhosting-tier

[quaint basin]

So that CPU I mentioned can't even handle 50 simultaneous players in a single instance?

[slender elbow]

yeahhh you need beefy single-core perf for minecraft

[young knoll]

Surely you need at least 1 Netty thread

[quaint basin]

This is like the i7-7700k, right?

[thorn isle]

the server will definitely reserve probably a dozen or so threads at a minimum

but most of them will be sleeping almost all of the time

off the top of my head i'd throw an absolute minimum of 6

gc needs threads, chunk io, netty io, server main thread

[slender elbow]

yeah at an absolute minimum it'll be, like, 1 for main, 1 for netty, 1 for chunk gen, uhhhhh chat, idk if that's configurable on spigot or how many it uses

let's not forget plugins

[thorn isle]

oh yeah chat is its own thread

[dry hazel]

don't know about that cpu, but it definitely can't manage what you want either

judging by the number it's the same level of old and slow

[quaint basin]

maybe AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
6 c / 12 t
3,7 GHz / 4,6 GHz ?

[thorn isle]

paper adds a watchdog thread

[slender elbow]

i have an i7 7700 and i can play with my gf that's all i need it for

[quaint basin]

I want the cheapest option possible, based on what I told you. Any recommendations?

[young knoll]

Isn’t the watchdog vanilla

[thorn isle]

my recommendation is lowering your expectations

[young knoll]

Also didn’t the chat thread get nuked with chat signing

[thorn isle]

you get what you pay for

[slender elbow]

i mean, async chat event is still a thing so idk

[thorn isle]

for 300 players, get the best hardware you can physically source

[slender elbow]

oh yeah and the auth pool too

[thorn isle]

and then pray it's enough

[slender elbow]

geez

[quaint basin]

You're saying that an old CPU can't even handle 20 simultaneous players lol

[thorn isle]

it might not if you don't optimize well enough

[slender elbow]

a lot of these threads by percentage are going to be mostly sleeping, but yeah it's still a lot of work

[dry hazel]

not at 20 tps

[thorn isle]

oh an old cpu? definitely not

[quaint basin]

I'm building the infrastructure based on that

[thorn isle]

default settings + old cpu = maybe like 10 players

[wet breach]

Yes this is fine and you can easily run 4-5 servers on a single box with those specs

[thorn isle]

if you optimize it well, i give you barely 20

[quaint basin]

So I'll have to pay €50 per month either way -- and that probably already raises high expectations for the number of initial players

[thorn isle]

and that's with like deleting villagers and bees and making hoppers tick once a millennium

[wet breach]

Old cpu means nothing in the world of servers

[slender elbow]

it means a lot in the world of minecraft servers

[quaint basin]

Someone else is telling me that I can't even run one server 🤔

[slender elbow]

not web servers, but this is not it

[thorn isle]

this isn't a webserver frost

[wet breach]

Anyways what they are wanting to do is perfectly fine. The only server they will have issues regardless is survival server

[wet breach]

don't list then to them I have ran that cpu before. It can handle 300 players but it really depends what those servers are actually doing

[quaint basin]

My server is box smp

[wet breach]

on that box if you do it right, it can handle 1k players with no problems

[dry hazel]

yeah sure

[young knoll]

Box smp is fairly compact iirc

[thorn isle]

single thread rating 2451

[young knoll]

Won’t have to worry about a ton of loaded chunks at least

[thorn isle]

i give you 20 players per instance

[quaint basin]

In my view, what the server does has more influence on the server's tps than on the CPU usage itself.

[thorn isle]

this is also true

[wet breach]

yes and no

[quaint basin]

the problem is rtp

[young knoll]

Do I not understand wtf a box smp is

[quaint basin]

And in older versions like 1.8, what would you guess?

[thorn isle]

pvp servers without any chunk loading or ticking blocks can run 10x the players a smp server can

[wet breach]

your issue is going to be survival regardless of your specs. Recommend pre-genning it to avoid generating chunks. And tailor the entity limits.

[thorn isle]

mmm on 1.8 i'd maybe guesstimate that to 50 with good optimization

[wet breach]

As for other game modes where its not super dynamic, those are not a problem

[young knoll]

Okay it seems boxsmp is just Gen alpha skyblock

[thorn isle]

ironically the laggiest servers are skyblock servers

[quaint basin]

Box SMP is a Skyblock game, but then there's a world you can mine, and there will be chunk loading. This game mode is good because several players can have hoppers in their homes, and then the hopper load is divided among servers, which usually lags a lot

[quaint basin]

Okay, your estimate is hugely wrong

[thorn isle]

not because of anything intrinsic to skyblock but because the meta is to throw huge farms at them and sell spawners and make it a "farming server"

[wet breach]

where are you getting your numbers from?

[quaint basin]

I've seen 700 players running on an i7-7700k at 1.8 version

[thorn isle]

i pulled it out of my ass

[quaint basin]

I no longer believe your estimate 😂

[thorn isle]

i know 1.8 runs much faster than modern versions, but i don't remember seeing single smp instances with more than 300 players

just anecdotally though, i haven't run a 1.8 smp server so i don't know the specs

[young knoll]

Hypixel struggles with like 100

Granted idk what they throw their servers on

[thorn isle]

yea to clarify i meant a single instance

[dry hazel]

you could just try it and come back with your findings instead of doing stuff based on the conjecture here

[young knoll]

Maybe they’re on Chocos laptop

[slender elbow]

wdym hypixel is currently running 30k players :kappa:

[wet breach]

not on a single box

[quaint basin]

I run my server with these specs on version 1.8 and I've already had 80 players using 30% of the CPU with the tps at 20

And it's survival

[thorn isle]

is that a single instance?

[quaint basin]

yes

[thorn isle]

shooould probably be fine then if you just want to scale to 300 players

what's your mspt?

[quaint basin]

with 80 players idk

[wet breach]

minecraft is horribly unoptimized, even their protocol. So you will have limits because of that. Anyways, just make your servers. The hub I recommend no more then 2GB and use a stripped down version of the server where you remove anything you are not using. Typically you would do this with other game modes too

[quaint basin]

i dont have 80 players anymore

[torn badge]

I think they are using a single Raspberry Pi

[young knoll]

Simon runs all the servers on his old laptop

In his basement

[wet breach]

the box you have will easily run 4-5 instances of MC. for survival I recommend running it in a ramdisk and throw like 10GB at it lol

seems to do the best that way, all other servers would need no more then 4-6 gb of ram

[quaint basin]

Do you have any servers running?

[wet breach]

you are going to want to use JVM arguments too to tailor your jvm's

[quaint basin]

Or are you pulling this data out of your ass?

[wet breach]

in the past I routinely ran a network with 1-2k players

and I only had 3-4 phyisical boxes

[quaint basin]

and the server had chunk loading?

and what was the server name

[wet breach]

of course? do you mean chunk generating?

[quaint basin]

yes

like heavy chunk generating

and past = old version

[wet breach]

I limited chunk generation. When you start to get into high player counts your servers simply don't have the time to be generating chunks all over the place. You can however simulate this instead

There is more to running servers then just simply having hardware

and you will always have limitations regardless of what you do

the goal is to run your applications to those limits and then learning how to bypass or get around those limitations

most of your limitations are going to come from MC

also, I never ran SSD's either

[quaint basin]

I know how to do that, but there are things that only miracles can accomplish, and I don't want to buy a CPU that's only usable by performing miracles

[wet breach]

caveat though is that I did run the survival server in a ramdisk

[quaint basin]

wdym?

[wet breach]

see, something for you to learn about

[quaint basin]

Maybe if you use different words I'll understand what you're saying

[wet breach]

also, when it came to updating the servers, I utilized network file system (NFS)

[thorn isle]

filesystem in random access memory

chunk loading is fast when you don't go to the hard drive to get the things to load

[quaint basin]

I know what NFS is

I use SlimeWorldManager. I imagine it changes the approach you're talking about

[wet breach]

odd you know what that is but not a ramdisk

[quaint basin]

The slime worlds use this approach if it's what I'm thinking.

[wet breach]

the things I talk about, is setting this stuff up yourself and not using some weird application to do it for you.

if you have no idea what these things are or even how to use them, you need to do some learning. Fortunately you can learn on the go 🙂

[quaint basin]

So go ahead and program in binary code

lmao

[wet breach]

no?

This is all part of server administration

[torn badge]

I could imagine an HDD bottlenecking chunkloading though

[quaint basin]

I know what ASWM does. I don't know if what you're saying is what they actually do. I didn't understand your way of speaking

[wet breach]

hence I ran the survival server in a ramdisk 😉

everything else however was fine since it wasn't needing to generate anything or load massive amounts of chunks

my reason for using HDD over SSD was simply because HDD lasted longer and at the time it was cheaper to get mass amounts of storage space

so I worked around the limitation of HDD

[torn badge]

Yeah I get that, but pretty sure most modern configurations will provide enough SSD storage so you can use your memory more efficiently

[wet breach]

also I made sure that the MC stuff was on the inside of the disk and had the OS always sit in the middle of the disk since rebooting and the sorts was not common

[quaint basin]

"No performance impact. SWM uses in-memory worlds, which means that the whole world is loaded at once. Then, every time the server needs to load a chunk, it just grabs it from memory, instead of having to read it from the filesystem, and then converting it to something usable. As a result, chunks are loaded seamlessly, without anyone noticing."

[wet breach]

yeah I agree, I still recommend ramdisk for survival though it was the best lmao

[quaint basin]

Is that what you're talking about?

[wet breach]

in memory world is not the same as a ramdisk

literally a ramdisk is taking a portion of your ram and treating it like a harddisk. It gets formatted and everything

the OS handles that

[torn badge]

A ramdisk is just a virtual disk inside your RAM

[quaint basin]

whats better? aswm or ramdisk

[torn badge]

Windows

[wet breach]

you would have to do test to determine which is better

[thorn isle]

i assume the manager uses the slime world format?

[wet breach]

however some of the advantages of a ramdisk is that you can take a snapshot images of it

[quaint basin]

If I have to do this to determine which is best, then my approach is good enough

[thorn isle]

the server generates huge heaps of garbage when parsing anvil format chunk data from disk into in-memory chunks

whether the disk is backed by ram or is actually sitting on a drive doesn't affect this

so if slime whatever addresses that, it could well be better

though come to think of it, did 1.8 even use the anvil format? it's been so long

[young knoll]

Yes

Anvil is like 1.2

The slime format is mostly for storage size afaik

Hypixel designed it for housing

[wet breach]

you are correct had to go look but you are spot on. 1.2.1 to be exact

[torn badge]

And it's not meant to be used for big survival worlds

[wet breach]

if I recall the slime format was to remove a bunch of garbage data that was not always needed or ever needed

and yes it was to control the size on disk

[torn badge]

Yeah, useful for things like skyblock worlds which are very limited in size anyways

[wet breach]

the side affect of removing the garbage data is that you got a boost to loading and saving

eventually when you get super large like past 2k players you will need to think of doing stuff like that

because as I said, most of your limitations come from MC lol

[thorn isle]

the issue with loading the data is that it first gets loaded as a massive nbt tree and all the block palettes and light nibbles allocate byte array tags and string tags

[wet breach]

because I ran the survival server in a ramdrive, my backups were simply disk images 🙂

[thorn isle]

in principle you could probably just mmap a file and shove your chunk data into it as-is and that'd be your region

but i suppose nbt is much more robust

i did want to look into a garbageless chunk data parser at some point but then got distracted by something else

plus maintaining patches on top of all the refactorings mojang does these days is a chore

easier to just throw more memory and gzgc at it

[young knoll]

I mean the lazy way to do that would just be to reuse objects a ton

[thorn isle]

myeah, though there is still a lot of surface area with nms; you have to replace all constructors with factory calls and then you also have to track where the object goes and release it back into the pool when it's no longer in use

[young knoll]

0 GC but a higher base memory usage

[wet breach]

nbt is really compact, the only mistake before they moved to strings was how they stored chunks. There was a more optimal way to store such things, which I had saved. Other that though it is pretty optimal

[thorn isle]

nbt as the format is great

[young knoll]

I wonder how moonrise compares in terms of garbage

[thorn isle]

it's just that it has the same problem as gson json trees vs json streams

[young knoll]

When do we get to stream NBT

[thorn isle]

as in the impl mojang ships with the server doesn't have the latter; doing anything allocates trees

[wet breach]

so don't allocate the trees

we don't need trees >>

[thorn isle]

i am lorax and i speak for the trees

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-dr-seuss-mustache-i-speak-for-the-trees-environment-gif-1411612378192694761

[young knoll]

Did someone say deforestation

I can manage that

[thorn isle]

it's still in principle parseable from a stream just like json is, but i don't know if an impl for it exists

it probably does but it's probably written by someone chinese and is on google docs and was last updated in 2015

[young knoll]

Quick make a mod about a sky dimension and then get hired at Mojang and then make a streaming impl

[thorn isle]

the end dimension is a colossal disappointment

[young knoll]

No no not that sky dimension

[thorn isle]

it was "based" on the aether mod, wasn't it?

just they took everything good out of it

and made it lame and boring

or maybe i misremember, god knows at this point

[young knoll]

The original end was just a single island in the sky

I mean maybe they claimed it was based on the aether but that’s like saying a bicycle is based on a rocket ship

Ones a bit more advanced

[thorn isle]

odd, i remember being mad about it

[wet breach]

its quite possible they added the end because of it but didn't base it off of it

[thorn isle]

that sounds vaguely right

[outer ember]

How to make a licence system for my plugin?

[wet breach]

Kind of pointless to do

Second its not allowed on spigot last i recalled

[outer ember]

I'm not posting it on spigot

it's a paid plugin and im scared to my plugin get leaked

[pseudo hazel]

still kinda pointless

wdym by leaked

[solid cargo]

It will happen sooner or later

[solid cargo]

Probably cracked

[pseudo hazel]

oh

[lilac dagger]

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[pseudo hazel]

well, thats usually a luxury problem

first make sure your plugin gets enough attention for that to be an issue

[lilac dagger]

?mappings

[undone axle]

Compare different mappings with this website: https://mappings.dev/

[solid cargo]

Just be cisco and charge for everything

[wet breach]

java was never designed for the purpose of preventing such things. All it takes is for someone to remove the offending code that stops it from working or does whatever check.

[solid cargo]

If you make it like license key stuff, then it must ask your api if its valid. And if you just change if isValid to just if (true), then boom

[outer ember]

I can't just wait and see somone buys my plugin and sells my plugin or gives it to his friend for free
It's still better to have a layer of protection

[outer ember]

I don't have any api, is there any free api for this?

[wet breach]

that is just it, there is no layer of protection regardless of what you do

[solid cargo]

Make it yourself. But its very easy to bypass

[outer ember]

• I have proguard installed

[outer ember]

It needs host

[summer scroll]

As someone who sell premium plugin, just don't bother doing that lmao, it's all useless.

[outer ember]

So what should i do

[wet breach]

I don't even have to run your jar directly to bypass anything, I can load your jar by using another jar, remove anything I don't like. I can decompile your jar, remove what I don't like and recompile. I can use bytecode manipulation. It doesn't even matter if you change the name of the methods or classes as the names are not what are necessary but the code itself etc.

[solid cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/what-he-said-look-up-see-that-caujuan-mayo-caujuan-gif-20835281

[summer scroll]

The people who downloaded cracked version will never be your customer anyway since they don't have money to purchase it.

[wet breach]

The best thing you can do, is one make sure you do good with your followers and routinely update

[outer ember]

or they just can't buy it cause they dont have paypal or visa card

So u guys saying it's useless?

[summer scroll]

Usually they would dm you to purchase with another payment method.

[wet breach]

it doesn't really matter the reason why they can't buy it. If they sourcing it by other means then they had no intention of buying it usually.

its like getting upset at a thief that routinely steals becaus they didn't buy your stuff but stole it instead

Anyways, the worst you can expect is you have some people who don't buy your plugin. As for stealing code that isn't really a thing unless you made some revolutionary thing

Fun fact, it took like 3-4 years for someone to duplicate a piece of code in one of my open source projects 🙂

simply because they couldn't understand how it worked

[outer ember]

Nvm i'm just not doing it

[wet breach]

but aside from that one feature everything else was easy to do, just thought it hilarious that even for it being an open source project many had a hard time duplicating that one feature of it XD

[outer ember]

Because u dont make code clean or what?

[wet breach]

no, they didn't understand how it functioned

[outer ember]

Oh

In iran not many people don't know how to decompile the code and edit it for themselves

That's the reason i want to make a license system in my plugin

[wet breach]

about half the code used NMS and reflection. But anyways the feature was touch holograms

[outer ember]

gtg

bye

[wet breach]

cya later

should come back 🙂

[solid cargo]

But will the majority of users be from Iran?

[outer ember]

Yeah

[solid cargo]

How come. What will you be making that makes it exceptionally popular in iran?

[tender pond]

Does anyone know if there's an event for when a copper golem fires?

[smoky anchor]

"when a copper golem fires"
what, a gun ?

[pseudo hazel]

lmao

is there an event for when my pet rabbit hacks the nuclear launch codes?

[autumn zinc]

How to set RGB display name for item?

[drowsy helm]

Rgb as in a hex colour

Or a gradient

[autumn zinc]

as you wish

[drowsy helm]

Wot

[autumn zinc]

i want to get away from ChatColor enums

[drowsy helm]

Other options are translateColorCodes or you could use something like minimessage

[autumn zinc]

translateColorCodes isn't support RGB, only default color codes and minimessage is paper-api

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-bow-cary-elwes-gif-22918306

[autumn zinc]

It is possible to use minimessage with net.kyori:adventure-platform-bukkit, but it allows only send messages to play and something else

but there is no way to set display name for ItemMeta

[drowsy helm]

It does support hex

It’s just super verbose

[drowsy helm]

Can translate to legacy iirc

[autumn zinc]

How?

[autumn zinc]

If you about net.kyori LegacyComponentSerializer.legacySection().deserialize(message);, then it doesn't work as it should

It just converts difficult RGB into simplified color codes

[drowsy helm]

translateAlternateBlahblah(‘&’, “&x&0&a&b&6&6&Fmessage”)

Im on phone but you just do each char preceeded by your character and an x at the start

It’s not great

[autumn zinc]

thanks, it works

it's unbearable

[drowsy helm]

Can definitely make a wrapper function for it

[autumn zinc]

i just use the minimessage formatting, and now i can't connect them

[dry hazel]

you need to make a custom instance of the LCS if you wanna use hex rgb with it

[autumn zinc]

Where i can find net.md_5/org.spigotmc javadoc and are they up to date?

[slender elbow]

?jd

[undone axle]

Spigot
BungeeCord
BungeeCord Chat

[autumn zinc]

thanks, so what about org.spigotmc, there is no any classes org.spigotmc classes in spigot java doc

[slender elbow]

? yes there are

in that first link

not that there are many to begin with

[autumn zinc]

hm... Why in the my IDE i see many classes, for example org.spigotmc.SpigotCommand or org.spigotmc.ActivationRange, but in the javadoc only one class CustomTimingsHandler??

[slender elbow]

those are internal classes

internals do not have javadocs published

[smoky anchor]

Back working with Brigadier (non MC)
Creating custom arguments, and just now I realize that this things flow is controlled by exceptions 💀
I find this horrifying

[thorn isle]

exceptions can be good for flow control when used judiciously

[smoky anchor]

I guess ?
It's just that his way of working is new for me so it took me a bit to get my head around it

[slender elbow]

i fail to see how throwing a command syntax exception when the syntax of the command is not to be accepted by the arguments is used for control flow

[hard socket]

?paste

[undone axle]

Looking to paste something? Try a code block or one of the following websites:

• https://pastes.dev/
• https://sourceb.in/
• https://mclo.gs/ (best for server logs)

[thorn isle]

if you think about it, throwing an exception with an informative message when you encounter exceptional (i.e. unexpected) input during command parsing, is the exact same way you use exceptions in programming in general

same can be extended to state, such as not having an applicable command target selected, or not being a player

[slender elbow]

yeah mfw properly handling exceptions is control flow

all exception handling is control flow

[thorn isle]

conversely, explicitly checking conditions and returning is roughly comparable to explicitly checking status codes as you'd do in low level languages, and there's a reason why high level languages use exceptions instead

[wet sinew]

Exception in thread "main" org.eclipse.jgit.api.errors.CannotDeleteCurrentBranchException: Branch patched is checked out and cannot be deleted
    at org.eclipse.jgit.api.DeleteBranchCommand.call(DeleteBranchCommand.java:104)
    at org.spigotmc.builder.Builder.startBuilder(Builder.java:623)
    at org.spigotmc.builder.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:60)```


im getting this error in BuildTools i cant get 1.8.8 craftbukkit jar

[orchid trout]

restart and never try again later

[alpine solar]

holdup

Instead of

            List<String> lines = Arrays.asList(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', "&eWhile your within this region, the bleed amount of redstone is increased."));

I can do

            List<String> lines = Collections.singletonList(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', "&eWhile your within this region, the bleed amount of redstone is increased."));

?

Ignore ze grammar please

What's the difference?

[smoky anchor]

fist one creates modifiable array list

second creates unmodifiable whatever this is

[young knoll]

It’s a list without the list

[slender elbow]

modifiable but not resizable 🧠

[smoky anchor]

huh, pretty sure you can add more elements if you construct it from array

[slender elbow]

this is well specified in the javadoc for Arrays.asList, you're just confusing java.util.ArrayList with the private java.util.Arrays.ArrayList :3

[smoky anchor]

bruh I am
I didn't look that closely lol

[alpine solar]

oh

[tranquil pecan]

how does noDamageTick and attack speed work together?

[thorn isle]

if noDamageTicks > 0, the attack doesn't deal damage

attack speed affects the strength of the attack

both are in play at the same time; noDamageTicks on the receiver, attack cooldown on the attacker

[tranquil pecan]

so even if i set the attack speed to 10000 the mob will get 0 damage as long as it is on cooldown right?

[thorn isle]

or to be more specific, it will only deal damage if the last recorded damage on the damaged mob is less than the damage that'd be dealt

[thorn isle]

aside from the above specificity, yes

this is so that e.g. a mob taking 0.5 damage from burning doesn't become immune to a 20 damage attack from the mace

essentially the no damage ticks is a time window during which at most, not the total damage over all attacks, but the highest damage of any attack in that window, can be received by the mob

[tranquil pecan]

okay

[wet sinew]

Somebody can help me?

[quaint basin]

I need to create a server that has 3 servers, and since they are multi-instance, I need all 3 servers. But my dedicated server currently doesn't have enough RAM to start 3 more servers (it's in production). What should I do? Is the only alternative to create a localhost?

[rotund ravine]

Get more ram or lower the amount of ram per server?

[quaint basin]

i cant do that

[young knoll]

Doesn’t sound like a very good dedicated server then

[thorn isle]

Modifiable but not structurally modifiable; it's size can't be changed as it's backed by the array

[young knoll]

So it’s just a fancy array wrapper

Well, normal array lists are also a fancy array wrapper, but they can resize the backing array

So it’s a less fancy array wrapper

[sullen marlin]

Everything is a fancy array wrapper if you look hard enough

[young knoll]

Oops all arrays

[thorn isle]

always has been 🔫

[slender elbow]

mfw pointers

[drowsy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-boogerbear-luckycavity-bears-bear-gif-2771841481854796688

[slender elbow]

oi!

[elfin isle]

everything is a pointer with the right attitude

[young knoll]

Just store all 256 possible bytes in memory and have everything else be a pointer to them

[eternal oxide]

a pointer to a pointer to a pointer

[short pilot]

Is there any new events to do with the Code of Conduct Mojang added

[young knoll]

What

[eternal oxide]

mojang added? Are you talking about the eula message when you first start a Spigot server? If that still happens

[young knoll]

That’s all servers

And yes it still happens

[eternal oxide]

its been so long since I setup a NEW server

[eternal oxide]

??

[young knoll]

Apparently it’s a new server.properties setting that will just show a text file to players

[short pilot]

for example right now if you try to set game mode using join listeners and the player has not accepted the code of conduct, The Listener was still trigger but none the code will work since the player hasn't been loaded into the game

interesting side effect

[onyx fjord]

is there any tool to preview minecraft's included fonts?

like illageralt for example

[buoyant viper]

minecraft has fonts?

[pseudo hazel]

yes?

how else is it drawing text

[wet breach]

it has like 5 fonts

[buoyant viper]

in my hubris it appears i sent an incomplete thought

i meant to ask what fonts minecraft has besides the """main""" font and enchanting text

(and ig the unicode font option)

[wet breach]

Mojangles (default font)
Alternative ("alt")
Uniform
Illageralt
Standard Galactic Alphabet (used for enchanting table)

[thorn isle]

Easiest way might just be to use the font property in a text component in tellraw

They're not like tff's or anything sensible so you can't very easily throw them into your editor of choice

But the mojangles default font exists as a tff and probably every other font spec under the sky, if that's the one you want to preview specifically

[shrewd tapir]

Is there an API for camera distance feature (was added in 1.21.6)

[chrome beacon]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/attribute/Attribute.html#CAMERA_DISTANCE

Highly recommend checking out the javadocs

[thorn isle]

camera distance? lmao

what is this

[quaint basin]

Is there a TPA plugin that supports multiple server instances?

[thorn isle]

this would i think probably get a faster/better answer in help-server since it's about an existing plugin

[eternal oxide]

did you bother to search for "bungeecord tpa plugin"

[quaint basin]

what the best

[thorn isle]

now it's definitely a help-server question

[eternal oxide]

Steak or roast pork dinner is teh best

[thorn isle]

yeees

[quaint mantle]

"What's the best X" 🫩 js try every plugin and pick one

[quaint basin]

i want the more optimized one

[molten hearth]

"whats the best plugin" mfs after having to try out every plugin on spigot

[thorn isle]

should be fairly simple to write from scratch

since both the source and destination servers are guaranteed to have a player online, you can use plugin messaging

[slender elbow]

but is that lag free ?!?!?!

[quaint mantle]

Rewrite everything in Rust

[thorn isle]

make it async 🪿

[slender elbow]

omg yes

async fast

[solid cargo]

Arent virtual threads the new hot thing?

[thorn isle]

they are, but unless you're on java 25 or something they are still kind of shit

since synchronized and some other operations still pin them to os threads

https://openjdk.org/jeps/491

[slender elbow]

unless you are performing blocking IO or other blocking ops with locks or whatever, VTs are useless

[thorn isle]

java 24

well yeah

in my experience though, it makes concurrent programming much easier, since you can do away with e.g. complicated completablefuture chains

[azure zealot]

completablefutures are goated

[thorn isle]

you spawn a virtual thread that just blocks on whatever you want to do, possibly joining said futures instead of chaining on them

they are, but they get nasty when you have to do e.g. flow control with them

[azure zealot]

yes virtual threads are also goated

[slender elbow]

eh

they are heavily misunderstood and people use them when they really shouldn't

[thorn isle]

probably

[azure zealot]

thats not the virtual threads problem

you should just use them for networking stuff

[slender elbow]

they are certainly overhyped

which leads to misuse

don't get me wrong, it's cool stuff and it definitely has lots of uses

[azure zealot]

yes but you could missuse any programm language or librarry feature if you're a bad dev

[slender elbow]

but more often than not people are like "omg virtual threads fast and async" and it's like :harold:

[young knoll]

ChatGPT write me a spigot plugin that makes heavy use of virtual threads kthx

[thorn isle]

new $200 paper fork that changes all the executors to use virtual threads

now you can have unlimited async io threads

[young knoll]

I’ll take your entire stock

[azure zealot]

guys

do you think the bungee schedular uses the correct executorservice

i dont like it right now

[slender elbow]

people asking to switch the chat thread pool or the bukkit scheduler thread pool to use VTs every now and then :harold:

[thorn isle]

noo but what about my blocking mysql queries on the chat thread

[azure zealot]

its good

[thorn isle]

although honestly

[azure zealot]

u ensure chat is not spammed to much by adding some blocking stuff there

[thorn isle]

with how hard the bukkit async scheduler gets abused, i wouldn't mind it being made use a virtual thread executor

[slender elbow]

yeah i suppose

[thorn isle]

right now it's an unbounded thread pool which means if some plugin fucks up you oom with 25,000 bukkit task threads

[azure zealot]

yes same in bungee

i wanna change it

[young knoll]

But that’s half the fun

[thorn isle]

the bungee scheduler iirc just spawns a thread and then sleeps it for every task to "schedule" it to run later

not a bad case for virtual threads either

but that's not really the right tool for the job lmao

it should use a proper scheduler instead

[azure zealot]

its also using a no limit thread pool

[slender elbow]

i'd argue that bukkit/bungee providing built-in ("async") schedulers is a mistake to begin with

[thorn isle]

for bungee definitely

but remind me, how does async scheduling work on bukkit again

[slender elbow]

well, which definition of the word async? the bukkit one or the real one?

[thorn isle]

does it still count ticks and run them at the start of a tick? or is it just like any scheduled executor

bukkit async tasks

[slender elbow]

every tick it pushes the scheduled tasks onto the threaded scheduler

which is kinda cringe, the dispatching of tasks is bound to the tick loop

[lilac dagger]

Wait, when is it a bad case to use virtual threads?

[thorn isle]

makes sorta sense if you want your logic to be bound to the tick loop, as for most "in-game" tasks you probably do

[azure zealot]

how else would youe schedule something in a specific tick amount

[slender elbow]

well yeah but that means that if i want to fire something to a separate thread from the main thread there is at a minimum 50ms delay

[thorn isle]

i'd say that if the bukkit scheduler still counts ticks for the async tasks, it's not entirely redundant; to get the same effect without it, you'd need to schedule a sync task to n ticks and then pass your task to some async executor in it

this makes is a little bit distinct from throwing tasks at an executor service

[slender elbow]

eh

[thorn isle]

i've heard that for highly linear tasks that bottleneck on the cpu, they can be bad for throughput, but i haven't seen any numbers or noticed anything myself

[slender elbow]

the async one has no reason to be tick-bound

[thorn isle]

the other issue, which isn't really intrinsic to them, is that pre java24, you can easily exhaust your os threads if your virtual threads happen to get pinned to them, which is completely out of your control and can't be accounted for

eeeh i still sometimes use the async scheduler when i need something to happen n ticks later, but async

for stuff i want done immediately i toss them into an executor service

[slender elbow]

basically for anything that is not blocking-bound which is pretty much just IO and locks

[thorn isle]

doesn't really make any difference if the server is running at 20tps i guess but in principle some things should be bound to the tick loop despite being async

[slender elbow]

i suppose, i haven't been there personally

[thorn isle]

i can't exactly recall an example either but i'm sure it has happened at least once lol

[thorn isle]

i'm not sure if you lose out on anything still, even if there's no benefit i'm not aware of there being much harm

except for something that's very throughput sensitive like the main server thread maybe

no clue though, i haven't actually tested making everything virtual and seeing what happens

[slender elbow]

i am just not a fan of the idea of hogging the underlying scheduler with compute-bound tasks when doing so provides no benefit

[thorn isle]

mmmaybe, though that's pretty similar to how thread pools work; you shove your tasks into a queue and they get done at the pace the pool can keep up

what i'd like to see with virtual threads is more control over how they get assigned to os threads

right now i think they have free reign to mount any hardware thread completely willy nilly, so one virtual executor with a billion tasks can easily exhaust another

i wouldn't mind having a bounded thread pool and then a virtual executor on top of it that can only mount the os threads from the pool

though i suppose that does go against the point of virtual threads; short-lived and mostly-blocking

[slender elbow]

yeah right now it's "just" a fork-join pool under the hood

they've been experimenting with allowing for custom scheduling and stuff but it isn't going to be here tomorrow, lol

[slender elbow]

why

idk anything about advancedban or deluxemenus

[eternal oxide]

?ask

[undone axle]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

[thorn isle]

do it here in this channel; random people who happen to chat here aren't your personal plugin support hotline

and yes ask your specific question (here) if you need help with something

[eternal oxide]

Ask in #help-server as this is a server setup question.

[tight cliff]

minecraft can detect if player made correct structure like nether portal and end frames

so how do I add new something like that

For example check if the structure match what it should be .
In short How can I check player made a custom portal like ether gate?

[slender elbow]

manually, by checking the surrounding blocks of the structure you want to identify

that's how the game does it

[young knoll]

You can create a system to check against a collection of blocks

And then load that collection of blocks from something like a structure file

[short pilot]

is PlayerSpawnLocationEvent called after PlayerJoinEvent

What's the best listener to use for when a player actually goes in Minecraft server

so I can display welcome text on their screen

[sullen marlin]

Join Event

[thorn isle]

with some caveats

[short pilot]

wait no

[thorn isle]

e.g. the resourcepack loading screen and the new code of conduct screen

[short pilot]

with the new code of conduct, join event is called when it first shows

but the player hasnt spawned in yet

i think (?)

[short pilot]

yes this

wow we both had the same thought

[thorn isle]

yeah several things can pop up immediately after the join event

[short pilot]

is that an intended effect by the way

[thorn isle]

personally since i run a 🏴‍☠️ server i just run the welcome things after players /login; you might have to listen to them moving for the first time or something

right

there is an event for the resourcepack being loaded

so you can use that to delay the messages until that screen goes away

about the code of conduct, i'm not sure

you ought to be able to intercept the packet if nothing else

[buoyant viper]

like pirate roleplay?

can i sail the seven seas

[quaint basin]

For a pool of operations in MySQL, should I use newCachedThreadPool or fixed?

[quaint basin]

I'm using Executors.newFixedThreadPool(10); which is the maximum number of connections in my database pool. Am I correct?

Sets the maximum size of the MySQL connection pool.

- Basically this value will determine the maximum number of actual

connections to the database backend.

- More information about determining the size of connection pools can be found here:

https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP/wiki/About-Pool-Sizing

maximumPoolSize: 10

[buoyant viper]

so funny how copying text from what im assuming is a github wiki page copies the markdown

[young knoll]

Pretty sure a fixed thread pool will always have that many threads active, they’ll just be idle if not needed

Whereas a cached one can grow and shrink dynamically, but you don’t have direct control over it

However you can make your own ThreadPoolExecutor with specific limits

Or, you could just use Hikari

[quaint basin]

I know that, but I think having a fixed limit is better, since the cache can create more threads than the MySQL connection pool limit

[quaint basin]

im already using

return CompletableFuture.supplyAsync(() -> {

        try (DatabaseExecutor executor = database.execute()) {
             executor.query(..);
        }

  }, databaseExecutor);

[quaint basin]

I need the pool to pass to the supplyasync block

[young knoll]

I mean you don’t

You can technically just use the default

[quaint basin]

This way I will perform operations on the database in the commonPool

[sullen canyon]

why not virtual threads?

[quaint basin]

idk

[quaint basin]

I'm supposed to use virtual threads for everything then

[young knoll]

Hey the common pool needs to earn its pay!

[thorn isle]

anything that is blocking or io

network operations like mysql queries are blocking io

[ancient plank]

wanna park our ships together in pirate roleplay

[buoyant viper]

:3c

[tardy lodge]

hi guys when can we expect the latest 1.21.11 version in build tools

[sullen marlin]

When 1.21.11 is released

[vast ledge]

xD

[mortal vortex]

Surely John Spigot gets early access builds?

[cursive kite]

Is there any place I can go for outdated help?

[sullen marlin]

There's no rule against asking here, but it's up to people if they want to help you

If it's something trivially done in newer versions then people are especially unlikely to help

[cursive kite]

Spigot 1.8.... Invisible players in teams (Tab sorting) name tags show, I searched all of google can't find a solution... I tried ProtocolLib. What should I use to fix it?

[chrome beacon]

Did you place the players in the same team

[cursive kite]

Nope P1 in one team P2 in another

            TeamTemplate template = rank.getTeamTemplate();

            for(String entry : template.getPlayers()) {
                User target = Server.getUser(entry, "FSB");
                if(target == null) continue;

                Team team = sBoard.registerNewTeam(rank.getOrderID() + (entry.length() > 6 ? entry.substring(0, entry.length() - 6) : entry));

                String relationColor = ChatHandler.getColor(user, FactionManager.getFaction(target));

                team.setPrefix(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', template.getPrefix()) + 
                        ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', target.getNameTagPrefix()) + 
                        ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', relationColor));

                team.setAllowFriendlyFire(true);
                team.setCanSeeFriendlyInvisibles(false);
                team.addEntry(entry);
            }
        }```

and name tags still shown to each other

[umbral ridge]

Why is everythibg in a for statement

[cursive kite]

Max team name length

[tranquil pecan]

Currently, I have a loop that runs every 20 ticks, constantly checking the player's main-hand item. It stores the item in a map and applies its stats to the player. On the next tick, if the held item doesn't match the current item, it retrieves the old item from the map, removes its stats, and applies the stats of the new item if it is valid.

I want to know which approach is better
checking every 20 ticks, or using event listeners like the held item change event, player item drop event, player right-click event, etc.

[sly topaz]

do they share the same scoreboard

[sly topaz]

either way sounds fine to me

what you are doing right now sounds like attributes, is there any chance you could just use those instead? What stats do you apply onto the player?

also, you'd want to check every tick instead of every second, otherwise it is just inaccurate

[tranquil pecan]

Some are attributes and some are custom

[sly topaz]

by custom you mean

[tranquil pecan]

crit damage, crit chance etc

Actually, it's just a simple skill plugin

[sly topaz]

if that's all it is then I'd just listen to the damage event and check if the weapon has a PDC with the attribute in question

though criticals are a mechanic and not a chance thing so unsure how that works

[tranquil pecan]

oh yes Why I didn't think of this before

[tranquil pecan]

it is chance based more crit chance = more chances of extra damage

Anyway thanks for the suggestion!

[outer ember]

Why there is diffrence between bukkit velocity and bungee?
why make devs work harder?

[sly topaz]

too bad Spigot doesn't expose DamageSource#isCritical, would've made things simpler

[sly topaz]

they are different because they're made by different people, with different goals in mind

[onyx fjord]

Bukkit is the api for craftbukkit which is a Minecraft server built on top of vanilla

Bungeecord and velocity are standalone proxies

[sly topaz]

it doesn't make anyone's job harder, you just choose one and go with that if their goals align with yours

[onyx fjord]

Bungeecord is constructed api-wise similar to spigot

Sharing some apis

And velocity is its own thing

With googles DI

Forgot what it was called

[sly topaz]

guice or dagger

[onyx fjord]

Guice

Personally very annoying to work with

Things that would normally be compile errors become runtime errors

[sly topaz]

if you mean it from the perspective of a public plugin trying to support multiple proxy platforms, then that's really on you. Nobody is forced to support multiple platforms, ideally you just choose to support the platform your users make use of

but the same thing applies when trying to support spigot and paper, or spigot and fabric. At some point your life will be harder because you are making your scope bigger, but that's a decision for you to make

[onyx fjord]

Spigot and paper isn't much work

Just use spigot api

And optionally paperlib

[sly topaz]

that was before hardfork, it isn't so simple anymore

[onyx fjord]

Hardfork isn't a thing yet

[sly topaz]

it has been a thing for a good while now

you've been out of the loop huh? Lol

[onyx fjord]

I'm aware of the development

Honestly I don't think it would get much attention

[tight cliff]

I was hoping there would be an easy way, but okay, I'll do it, thank you.

[sly topaz]

internals have a fancy utility for that, but it is really clunky

oh nevermind, they seem to have replaced that

[thorn isle]

Same reason there are differences between a fork spoon and a knife

Tools for their jobs

Nobody wants to eat soup with a spork

[pseudo hazel]

first of all bukkit and bungee/velocity do completely different things

secondly, velocity is maintained by the paper team iirc

its like asking why there are multiple soda brands because it makes it hard to choose one to buy, its just because they do different things in different ways, but are ultimately used for the same goal

[thorn isle]

Velocity is to bungee roughly what paper is to spigot; setting aside that it's a rewrite rather than a fork, it serves the same purpose

[young knoll]

I think it would be more like what fabric is to spigot

[slender elbow]

i reckon sponge would be a fairer comparison

[young knoll]

Hmm

Fair

[slender elbow]

precisely!

[buoyant viper]

sponge is basically fabric server

ezpz

[autumn zinc]

Does a server sends a persistent data container of ItemStack to a player?

[thorn isle]

it is sent as part of the item, yes

specifically the custom_data component

[autumn zinc]

for entities, chunks and worlds similarly?

[young knoll]

No

[thorn isle]

worlds i don't think so, not chunks either, but entities yes

[young knoll]

I don’t think it’s sent on entities

[thorn isle]

i'm faaairly sure it is since it's just shoved in the same nbt that gets thrown at the player in the entity meta packet

or hold on, entities use that watched data property shit now

[young knoll]

It wouldn’t even be saved on entities if spigot didn’t patch it

[thorn isle]

might not get sent in that case

it definitely exists in the nbt, but i recall that entity meta packet isn't just a nbt blob now, but that each entity has "properties" that are sent over individually, similarly to item components

[young knoll]

That’s been a thing for a while :p

Look at the entity and press F3 + Shift + I to copy it’s clientside data

[thorn isle]

BukkitValues: {

looks like it is sent

odd

[young knoll]

You held shift right?

Should say it copied client side data

[thorn isle]

hm

alright yeah looks like i didn't press shift

what an unwieldy key combination

but yeah doesn't appear in clientside data, makes sense

[autumn zinc]

So... only itemstacks?

[thorn isle]

seems like so

[young knoll]

Yeah

[sullen marlin]

Yep because the client sends back ItemStacks to the server

So if it's not sent, then fun

[vivid zodiac]

Hi, I'm trying to find the net.md_5.bungee.api dependency.
Where is it located now?

MB i import the wrong jar..

[onyx tiger]

Whats up devs, with Uautorestart, is it
possible to send all players connected to one server, to a different "limbo" server while the other one boots back up, once it is finished all players are sent back to respective servers ?

Should i be using a different restart plugin ?

[thorn isle]

that's feasible, and i do that

just a few lines of code on a proxy plugin + a companion backend plugin

[onyx tiger]

Where would i start with this

i have 0 knowledge on writing plugins and very little on scripts

[thorn isle]

there is a command that links java tutorials but i don't remember what it is

[onyx tiger]

agh i think i know what you're talking about

[thorn isle]

if you're looking for a pre-existing plugin, you probably should ask in help-server

[onyx tiger]

how hard is it to get into making plugins?

even ones that small

[thorn isle]

depends; i know some who couldn't get into it to save their lives, to others it comes almost naturally

if you've done any sort of scripting before, it makes things easier

it's not that complicated in the end, but then again, that's what everyone says about everything

[onyx tiger]

thanks

[onyx tiger]

I've got it working now lol

took 2 hours

[echo basalt]

Do any of y'all nerds have a FastBoard variant that lets me change player nametags and stuff

cba doing it myself

[lavish wing]

Hello guys!
Can anyone help me with spigot stash downloading?

After 5 minutes it just shows EOF error

I ve also tried to download via Gitea but..

[sly topaz]

feels like a connection issue to me

I would recommend just running BuildTools, that way you have all the relevant repos cloned in a place

[lavish wing]

can I downgrade sources from buildtools?

From 1.8 to 1.3.2 and 1.6.4

[sly topaz]

I don't think those versions are in the repository anymore

if git history was kept clean, you might be able to

but for those versions, I would recommend just running LegacyFabric

[lavish wing]

That's the main question: is buildtools contains .git history?

[sly topaz]

yes

[lavish wing]

Oh, nice

Thanks

[sly topaz]

like, it clones the respective repositories (That is, Spigot, Bukkit, CraftBukkit)

[sly topaz]

strongly recommend just doing this though

there's little benefit to running spigot in 1.3.2 (if that even existed, not sure when Spigot started their Bukkit fork)