help-development

[mortal vortex]

FTB Chunks?

also https://modrinth.com/mod/hoofprint

[mortal hare]

^

[mortal vortex]

Yeah but u can still view the source, although you cant redistribute.

They also do allow contributions as well, but you need to sign a CLA

[mortal hare]

honestly all those ARR license minimap mods wants me to say: f*ck it i'll do it myself by licensing mine under GPL

[mortal vortex]

?

[potent crescent]

i have src code for 1.16

im useing minecraft paper 1.12.2 java 11

I guess I just didn't know how to compile to another version

https://github.com/zertex/zxSlotMachine

[mortal vortex]

This isnt Paper though is it?

and why r u using 1.12.2?

[potent crescent]

cz this version Supports 70% of the plugins I need.

[potent crescent]

paper

[smoky anchor]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[mortal vortex]

This isnt.

[potent crescent]

lol

in my host i dont use just paper
it says paperapigot 1.12.2

[mortal vortex]

Thats Paper.

[smoky anchor]

I mean 1.12 should probably be pretty similar
But still, paper

[potent crescent]

in my host A writer craftbukkit/spigot/paperspigot 1.12.2

[mortal vortex]

No idea what that sentence means

[potent crescent]

anyway

[mortal vortex]

1.13, PaperSpigot rebranded to "Paper", but you're still using paper.

and also... This isnt Paper.

?howold 1.12

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.12

[mortal vortex]

0 days old? fucking wonderful.

[smoky anchor]

cool

?howold 1.12.0

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.12.0

[smoky anchor]

hmm

?howold 1.12.2

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.12.2

[mortal vortex]

?howold 1.12.1

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.12.1

[potent crescent]

anyyyywayyyyyyyy What does this have to do with compile the plugin

[potent crescent]

Still new lol

xD

[mortal vortex]

this kid

[potent crescent]

???

[mortal hare]

it sometimes easy to compile it to another version of minecraft, sometimes its not

Porting to another server version requires knowledge of plugin's codebase and overall features it uses because minecraft codebase sometimes changes a lot across versions and that could break compatibility in a way that's incompatible to do without refactoring of the plugin's code

[potent crescent]

wb now

alr

[potent crescent]

I don't have much knowledge in code.

[mortal hare]

looking around at plugin's code seems like there's not that much logic that might interfere with backwards compatibility, so i guess you can try to build the project by creating maven project and following this guide: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/creating-a-plugin-with-maven-using-intellij-idea/ and copying the provided source code in to that project

[potent crescent]

iv the plugin with meaven

ill send it

1min

[mortal hare]

the main problem probably would be with blockstates and item ids that were completely obliterated since release of minecraft 1.13

[potent crescent]

https://limewire.com/d/8wWam#o9SVjUSeZ8

[mortal hare]

so why don't you just compile the plugin then?

you have everything you need probs

you just need to invoke maven package task to generate plugin .jar file for you

[potent crescent]

i tried but idk i just change 2 things and not work
im noob at minecraft development

i tried idk the plugin won't work

evreything and commands is good without any eros but Its main feature is not applied

[mortal hare]

well i cant help you with that one im afraid

[potent crescent]

https://youtu.be/DLNt4LDVY0c?si=eBoyezpHYRcnl-ZX

look

[potent crescent]

why?

[mortal hare]

you need to know the specific of the plugin to really understand what's going on

you need to debug what's not working

[hybrid spoke]

?learnjava!

[undone axle]

Here are some links to get you started on learning Java:

• https://www.codecademy.com/learn/learn-java
• https://www.sololearn.com/learning/1068
• https://www.learnjavaonline.org/
• https://programmingbydoing.com/
• https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html

The last one is the only official one, however some of those concepts assume that you already know a bit about programming.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694661573125472256/998143126373941248/6n0v4g.gif

[potent crescent]

I was contacting another developer and this is what he told me: it was actual code that was incorrectu were using concrete instead of redstone lamps and a couple bugs

[mortal vortex]

new output?!?

[smoky anchor]

no, old one

the ! adds the gif

[mortal vortex]

OHH LOL

[smoky anchor]

and this message was never changed

[mortal vortex]

so used to the long wall of text

[mortal hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0YHZXz5hEE
Me when looking at xaero's world map decompiled source code:

no really there's methods which are implemented but not used anywhere, inner non static classes everywhere, softdepend mod support code scattered everywhere, even if it has dedicated mods package for it. its really bad

immutability is thrown out of window, with POJO getters/setter everywhere

its like im looking at java 5-6 code

[magic grove]

How do I make a all void world thats snowy taiga lol...

[mortal hare]

   @Override
   public boolean shouldCache() {
      return this.shouldCache;
   }

   @Override
   public File getCacheFile() {
      return this.cacheFile;
   }

   @Override
   public void setShouldCache(final boolean shouldCache, final String author) {
      this.shouldCache = shouldCache;
   }

   @Override
   public void setCacheFile(final File cacheFile) {
      this.cacheFile = cacheFile;
   }

why have boolean value for knowing whether should cache? is checking for cache file existence not enough?
also setShouldCache requires to set an author message for some odd reason (which only one implementation actually uses it lol), and either way its not like its for modders to log, mod's author value is hardcoded to the initialization as a constant, like why TF do you even need it in the first placew

i just dont get it

[wet breach]

Every software has methods that are not used

[vast ledge]

If I'm not mistaken, that mod was written by one person and released in 2019. Developers evolve if I saw my code from 5y ago I'd probably wanna end myself

[wet breach]

as for inner classes go, they don't need to be static

nor should all inner classes be static

but the main difference of a static or non-static inner class is that a static inner does not need the parent instance created first where as the latter does

[wet breach]

as for what you were asking here in regards to caching. While a cache file may exist it doesn't necessarily mean you would want to cache? It could be an old cache file that wasn't cleaned up or an expired one. I have to say, you are picking some odds things to nit pick about though

removing some unused methods will just get you a smaller file size really

most unused methods get compiled out anyways

[vast ledge]

I don't understand why he attacking the dude tho

[echo basalt]

inner class memory leak go brr

[wet breach]

lol

[echo basalt]

all fun and games until you {{}}

[slender elbow]

inner classes are neat

i especially like the syntax

Foo foo = new Foo();
Foo.Bar bar = foo.new Bar();

or if you make all classes and constructors generic new <Byte> Foo<Short>().new <Integer> Bar<Long>()

[echo basalt]

I love generic type hell

and all the associated bullshit

like having to make a class for adding Bytes and Integers together

[slender elbow]

what

[echo basalt]

this is real

[slender elbow]

can't say i've ever needed something like that

beware of the bigdecimal

[echo basalt]

eh

difficult

this is for an attribute system :)

like having a uh

"durability" attribute with a +20% modifier

[mortal hare]

i just make all inner classes static since that decouples the implementation from the parent class if i would expose this in the future somewhere

its just good practice overall

[echo basalt]

half the inner classes I make end up becoming their own thing

[mortal hare]

to inject what you need through constructor

[echo basalt]

unless it's inner interfaces or some shit

[mortal hare]

non-static classes is just syntax sugar

[echo basalt]

I feel like you should spend more time writing code and less time thinking about it

realistically it's fine

[mortal hare]

im already fixing it

making stubs just to make decompiled code compileable

[echo basalt]

just use like 3 different decompilers

[mortal hare]

im just saying that what i see is lasagna/spaghetti code with many unused abstractions

[echo basalt]

and cross-reference them

[slender elbow]

i've rarely been in situations where i've used inner classes, but in the cases i've used them, they are never public, rather internal implementations of the enclosing class, think of Map#values() or Map#keySet(), inner classes are perfectly fine to use

[echo basalt]

eh I've used inner classes for optimization stuff

[mortal hare]

the problem is that the mod itself references classes from another mod, and that another mod references the mod im decompiling, when compiling it causes circular references in terms of compilation

package A requires Package B and package B requires A

if it was referencing only api interfaces i wouldnt have such problem but it references whole concrete classes from another mod

overall its shadowed mod

i just to either make class stubs and inject real deal at runtime classpath

or decompile everything and untangle the shadowed mod to its proper structure prior to shadowing, but that takes time so stubbing is alot easier and does its job

[zealous osprey]

Yes you can.
Also, how does the end product look like?

[mortal hare]

?

[zealous osprey]

The ICanTooltip reminded me of "Can we do it". But that was a too abstract joke, so nvm

[mortal hare]

oh

😄

ok

yea i already fixed most of the problems

all the problems are due to external dependencies mostly

[echo basalt]

all fun and games until you look it up and find an obscure bitbucket repo

[zealous osprey]

And I thought you were rendering on a minecraft map; But it's the modded maps. I was wondering how you handle clicks/widgets on vanilla maps

[mortal hare]

its a weird codebase

im pretty sure c# dude wrote it

who tf uses I prefix in java

i proposed it like couple months ago to use the prefix on this discord server but after a while of thinking for the sake of consistency dropped that thinking

[echo basalt]

mythicmob does it

or is it modelengine

[mortal hare]

this probably would scare you more

[echo basalt]

it's a proxy class I dm that

I have some of those myself

[zealous osprey]

What is the proxy in that context? The interface, right?

[mortal hare]

are enums in java ABI wise syntax sugar around public final class with public final static fields or they have its own class? iirc there's Enum<> type at runtime right?

[slender elbow]

it's a pfc Foo extends Enum<Foo> with psf fields yes

[mortal hare]

so if i declare pfs class with psf field without extending enum, its essentially not ABI compliant if some class expect an enum inherited class?

what about abstract classes which do not implement any methods at all (abstract for every method declaration) and interfaces?

[slender elbow]

wdym "it's not abi compliant if some class expects an enum"

it's simply going to fail compilation

if i expect <E extends Enum<E>> and you pass an E that isn't an enum it isn't going to compile

and changing from a class to an interface is an abi break yes

[wet breach]

whats wrong with using I prefix?

[mellow hamlet]

Hi, can someone help me there.i want to make minecraft plugins using ai.iam beginner, i even dont know J of Java, when i get the code from ai, i dont get what to do next. Like how to make the code into a plugin jar file? In skript it was easy just copy and paste. Can someone help me in there?

[mortal hare]

nothing i just dont use for consistency with existing java codebase (which doesnt prefix interfaces)

[slender elbow]

despite that, suffixing exceptions with Exception is accepted

least hypocritical java code style

[twin venture]

ideas other than docker xD?

[mortal hare]

that's class semantic role not syntax token type name

anyways,
is it normal that mappings.dev misses some native minecraft client/server method mappings? i havent found some method mappings there....

there's no RenderType$method_23516() and RenderType$method_23518 (intermediary mappings) methods there, but from my intuition i can probably tell that those methods in mojang mappings are: RenderType$setupRenderState() and RenderType$clearRenderState()

i'm looking at 1.21.5 mappings and i cant find such methods there

[slender elbow]

how is I prefix not semantic lol

[slender elbow]

RenderType is a completely different class than the one you're mentioning

the class holding those methods is in mojang names RenderStateShard

oh that's a subclass

it does not show inherited methods

unless they are overridden of course

[mortal hare]

Certain plugins such as Spigot or Bukkit support Lua scripting implementation into servers, however these plugins are not created by nor affiliated with Mojang Studios and thus are not an official means in which to implement Lua scripting.

??

since when spigot/bukkit is a plugin and since when it supports lua?

nvm probs wanted to say that certain spigot or bukkit plugins supports the use of lua for minecraft

[worldly ingot]

That's either AI, or really poorly phrased

Because Spigot does support Lua scripting implementation, as in it provides the libraries necessary to implement Lua plugins, but does not natively provide such a plugin loader. Lukkit is one such plugin that extends the loader to support Lua plugin loading

[onyx fjord]

if i #callEvent a sync event from an off-thread will it fire sync?

because i feel like it isnt doing that 😅

[slender elbow]

no, it will throw an exception

[worldly ingot]

Exception might be Paper-exclusive? But there's a boolean in the Event constructor that marks an event as async

And if the event you're trying to call is a Bukkit event and it doesn't expose that async boolean, you're SOL

[slender elbow]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/plugin/SimplePluginManager.java#574-580

why is that holdsLock check even there lmao

who's gonna do synchronized (pluginManager) ???

[worldly ingot]

You never know!

[sly topaz]

the commit that did it didn't really explain their reasoning and the issue it references has no archive whatsoever so we'll never know

[spare hazel]

how can i detect if a player is tryna grow grass and shi using a bonemeal

[winter jungle]

Is it just me, or is this class terrible

[lilac dagger]

must be PlayerInteractEvent

[spare hazel]

is there a way i can detect what block is the player looking at?

[eternal oxide]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/entity/LivingEntity.html#getTargetBlock(java.util.Set,int)

[lilac dagger]

it might an xy problem

if this refers to bonemeal to grow grass it's event.getClickedBlock()

keep in mind it's null if you click air

[pure dagger]

any way to get player's target entity

the entity they looking at

?

[rotund ravine]

Define in which scenario it’s needed?

Is it when they’re rightclicking or leftclicking an entity?

[mortal hare]

it is

that's not my class

its decompiled class from xaero's minimap which im trying to make recompileable without proper source code

so i can patch it

it a mess tbh from codebase standpoint

but the mod is old so ig that's more like tech debt than incompetency

[rotund ravine]

Also what kind of entities

[pure dagger]

Right clicking but the entity doesnt have to be clicked, they have to look at it

[young knoll]

Listen for the interact event and do a rayTraceEntities

Do note the interact event won’t fire if you right click air with an empty hand

[rotund ravine]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/World.html#rayTraceEntities(org.bukkit.Location,org.bukkit.util.Vector,double)

Do read the javadoc notes though

[torn shuttle]

is there a way to check if an offline player has a permission?

other than storing that yourself

[slender elbow]

query the api of your permission plugin

bukkit does not have a notion of permission persistence, they're ephemeral

[torn shuttle]

figures, thanks

i'll just store it myself

[worldly ingot]

Stop using big words

[alpine urchin]

why should they adjourn their usage of such vernacular

[echo basalt]

do shields use item components for their blocking animation or do I get to fuck myself

[torn shuttle]

don't be so down on yourself, you can get to go fuck yourself either way if you really want to

[echo basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-breakdance-gif-26176866

yeah it's hardcoded even with zero components I'm still doing the anim

[worldly ingot]

There is a component. minecraft:blocks_attacks

The use animation is client-sided though, like with other useable items like bows and spyglasses

[echo basalt]

how much you wanna bet it's a 1.21.5 thing

[worldly ingot]

Oh nevermind the use animation does actually work lol

Yeah the component is relatively new

[echo basalt]

minecraft keeps disappearing behind my task bar every time I minimize it fml

[pseudo hazel]

yes its 1.21.5

blocks_attacks that is

[grand flint]

The shiled thing is from before though no?

[worldly ingot]

I mean, yeah, shields have existed since 1.9

[grand flint]

So now you can fully replicate 1.8 in 1.21.5

nvm choco

[worldly ingot]

WELL, make a vague statement, I give a vague answer!

[grand flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381958514813177901/1386307802724696074/artworks-RwY8yjWFGyZzLXZs-bg2CTQ-t1080x1080.gif

[thorn isle]

unsafe::allocateNewInstance and unsafe::putX to set the fields (since the ctor won't run) 🤡

[slender elbow]

what's the constructor have to do with anything

[thorn isle]

are we not trying to construct an event with the async ctor parameter set to true so it can be fired off the main thread?

i kind of just skimmed through the conversation so maybe i misread

[slender elbow]

sure but what does avoiding the ctor achieve here lol

you can just use normal everyday reflection

[thorn isle]

oh yeah i guess the exception isn't thrown in the ctor but the event bus

[mortal hare]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-baby-child-girl-tired-gif-4871328261097149781

is this normal that mc mod in order to be compiled need to have more stubs than the mods exported codebase itself

like all the classes that are in this screenshot's project tree are stub classes

and its not even halfway done

i like how for some off reason xaero's world map uses xaero's minimap classes just because it can

and i cant just decompile the xaero's minimap because it depends on xaero's worldmap code too!

ugh

in order to decompile xaero's world map you need decompiled xaero's minimap and in order to decompile xaero's minimap you need to decompile xaero's world map

or make 50+ class stubs to compile one of them and them swap the impl with class loader runtime

[echo basalt]

reminds me

I stubbed the fuck out of husksync to make it work as a standalone REST API

had to makem y own itemstack codecs

[tropic knoll]

Is this the Channel for Qpestions? When yes here is my qpestion: I use Multiverse-core and Multiverse portal , I like they plugins but I have a Problem with them, when i don't have Op then i don't can use the portals and I don't can toset that of aloww because there isn't a setting vor permissions, neither in the files, still a command in game. Does anyone know how this workt or why that doesn't work? I need informations. Can anyone help me or answer me, please.
🙏

[smoky anchor]

Do not post in every channel
#help-server is the only correct one for you now

[tropic knoll]

ok

I delet a few

is this ok

[thorn isle]

you need a permissions plugin

well, need is a strong word but i'd advise using a perms plugin over the builtin bukkit perms management

[tropic knoll]

what is that: bukkit perms management

I don' have that

is this only vor bukitt?

ok but which? :you need a permissions plugin

[thorn isle]

any

[tropic knoll]

and we can I connect

[thorn isle]

luckperms is the "industry standard" but idk how simple it is to pick up from scratch

i would recommend pex but the people here would probably mob me

there's groupmanager i guess

[young knoll]

Luckperms has the web editor

Which is helpful for newbies

[tropic knoll]

Why would they lynch you?

[tropic knoll]

mayby, i don't know

@thorn isle what is pex

[lilac dagger]

Freaking love group manager

My favorite permission manager

[tropic knoll]

?

[lilac dagger]

Sorry, kind of out of place

[tropic knoll]

I am confused, one after the other.

[eternal oxide]

GroupManager is the original perms plugin. Oldest of them all.

no web interface though

[tropic knoll]

not so bad

[thorn isle]

i always disliked the groupmanager command syntax

pex/lp has always seemed more coherent and intuitive

[eternal oxide]

GM commands are the best

its why I liked it so much

[lilac dagger]

I agree

The commands are quite intuitive to me

[thorn isle]

"manuaddp" 🤡

[eternal oxide]

yep simple

[thorn isle]

incoherent

[tropic knoll]

ok ok, slower

[eternal oxide]

man prefix u for user, add for add and p for permission

[thorn isle]

i know it's a contraction of manager user add permission

but it might as well be man user add permission

command trees and tab complete exist for a reason

[tropic knoll]

slower slowwer

[eternal oxide]

manuaddp mangaddp is shorter

[thorn isle]

if you want to keep the shorthands, you could do man u add p

but user and permission should be kept in to show what those commands do

[tropic knoll]

i can't keep up

[eternal oxide]

gm has tab complete

[thorn isle]

it's just bad and unintuitive command design

[eternal oxide]

I don;t agree. I love it

[thorn isle]

it's convenient but it could be convenient and intuitive

[tropic knoll]

i dont understand

[eternal oxide]

a command per operation rather than components

[tropic knoll]

sorry becouse i have triggered this

[thorn isle]

yeah, completely different from any other command in any other plugin, or even generally applications in command line

[eternal oxide]

actually as its so old is pre dates most other plugins

[thorn isle]

doesn't make it not bad

[eternal oxide]

command formatting was not standardized

[thorn isle]

but yeah that is fair

[tropic knoll]

i dont understand

[thorn isle]

that said we do have a standard now and i think it is the way it is with good reason

[eternal oxide]

I prefer a command I can easily understand rather than multiple options and not knowing where each goes

and options which make command so verbose they take time to type

[thorn isle]

i mean i think a tree structure with commands and subcommands is probably easier to understand than stitching together 1-character shorthands for words

[tropic knoll]

i go out the channel i dont understand you are

voice channel?

[young knoll]

/manager add permission poop.fart to user Jishuna please and thank you

[eternal oxide]

keep it short my typos would decimate that command 🙂

[young knoll]

The please and thank you is required

Otherwise it’ll ban you

[thorn isle]

i mean if you look at the pex/lp syntax and compare it to manuaddp it's pretty much the same keyboard inputs except with a few tabcompletes for user and permission

[rotund ravine]

Just make chatgpt interpret ur permissions

/managergpt add this permission to my user Jishuana, thank you

[thorn isle]

we can do better

we store the permissions on the user in natural language

"this user can use /home and set up to 7 homes"

and then every time anyone does hasPermission, we feed that ^ natural language to a llm, with the queried permission node, and ask it to output true/false

kind of like a regex permission matcher, except it takes ~200ms to parse a match rather than 200ns

[pure dagger]

so i cant detect right clicking then

?

when a player has empty hands

thats bad

[mortal hare]

i swear to god this code is making me go insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc

[rugged fern]

Hey, i got this error but i didnt figure out how i add the repository for brigadier because its missing: ```ProxySystem:main: Could not find com.mojang:brigadier:1.2.9.
Searched in the following locations:

• https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/com/mojang/brigadier/1.2.9/brigadier-1.2.9.pom
• https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/net.md-5/bungeecord-api/com/mojang/brigadier/1.2.9/brigadier-1.2.9.pom
  Required by:
  root project :
  root project : > net.md-5:bungeecord-api:1.21-R0.3 > net.md-5:bungeecord-protocol:1.21-R0.3

Possible solution:

• Declare repository providing the artifact, see the documentation at https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/declaring_repositories.html

[mortal hare]

i would be surprised that i would get even past mojang logo with this decomp

[mortal hare]

brigadier is not maven central repository

also if you're using spigot, you can access brigadier from NMS

its already built in into minecraft native server

[rugged fern]

yea but i wanna use bungeecord for a network-wide system

[mortal hare]

brigadier lib is headless and wouldnt you provide glue code for minecraft's chat gui's etc

i would just velocity for that but your choice ig

it has brigadier support ootb

[rugged fern]

i dont wanna use brigadier, i just get those compiling error and i want to either exclude brigadier or implement it but not using it

[mortal hare]

finally

but i bet its gonna launch from the first time

[viral monolith]

hey so im on mac and i cannot get it to work any ideas?

[young knoll]

Get what to work

[viral monolith]

just spigot

like to do the codingp

[grand flint]

@mortal vortex

[young knoll]

What’s not working

[mortal vortex]

FUCK OFF

[mortal hare]

ok it launched...\

but i bet im gonna crash

🥲

[rotund ravine]

Litt the same steps as for windows if you use intellij

[viral monolith]

well i did the steps now i just got the spigot.api and when i click it and download it nothin happens an i just stupid?

[mortal hare]

well as i've expected

but i think i found the culprit

why did i made a stub class for core class of the mod??

[rotund ravine]

Yes

Explain what steps

What are you doing bro

?nowork

?help

[undone axle]

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[rotund ravine]

?wteps

Idk

Someone else will help u

[viral monolith]

its fine i will just not bother since im on mac ill just find someone to do it for me 😓 i dont got time atm

[young knoll]

?notworking

[undone axle]

"Does not working" is a useless statement. Please describe what exactly is not working, what you expect it to do, and what actually happens. If you get any console errors, also ?paste the entire stacktrace.

[young knoll]

I mean you should be able to use maven/gradle to handle the dependencies the same as on windows

[rotund ravine]

Litt had no issue moving over to doing it on my mac

Even tho it’s arm based

[mortal hare]

got the gui working

[buoyant viper]

wat r u doing with Xaeros

[mortal vortex]

pressumably not manufacturing illicit substances, one can imagine.

[low thorn]

does an event exist for when a player picks a block/entity using middle click?

[drowsy helm]

Past versions 1.21.6 yes

Or it might be .7

[low thorn]

what is the name? i cant find it

[drowsy helm]

Nvm seems like it’s only a paper thing

[low thorn]

😭👍

[mortal vortex]

Whats the proper term for like when a cow follows u when ur holding a piece of wheat.

is there a name for that?

[rotund ravine]

Luring

Or bait-ing

Even tempting

Oh if u mean in minecraft

It’s TemptGoal iirc

Thought this was general lol

[mortal vortex]

TYY

[mortal vortex]

MY MISTAKE SHOIULD'VE CLARIFIED

[dark moth]

should i make a variable thats static and reachable from any class or call it for every class that i need the variable for.

[sly topaz]

For what

Answer is it depends if it is a general question. You usually don’t want to access a static variable directly unless it is some sort of constant, mostly because it doesn’t give you much leeway in terms of side-effects

I.e, logging, tracking or profiling are often put into consideration, so people would use a method as a level of indirection that allows side-effects

[daring light]

        /* Unregister McMMO's listener to prevent it from modifying the damage */
        for(RegisteredListener listener : EntityDamageByEntityEvent.getHandlerList().getRegisteredListeners()){
            if(listener.getPlugin().getName().equals("mcMMO")){
                EntityDamageByEntityEvent.getHandlerList().unregister(listener);
            }
        }

This would only stop the mcMMO plugin from listening to the EntityDamageByEntityEvent and not every other event that the listener listens to, right?

[dark moth]

can u look dms for a sec

[lost matrix]

This will also remove xp gains and a bunch more mechanics from mcmmo

[sly topaz]

I don't really do helps through dms sorry

[dark moth]

oh

ok

[daring light]

Yeah I know, I implement custom listeners which check a condition and pass it to mcMMO

This is only to add my custom checks on when mcMMO should be active

[sullen marlin]

Yes

[wary wigeon]

1

[sullen marlin]

2

[umbral ridge]

3

[swift vector]

Hello please i need emergent help i posted a premium resource for free !!! i wanted to sell it not to post for free

please

@vagrant stratus

wtf it got already downloaded 1 time @vagrant stratus please

[sly topaz]

stop pinging resource staff

[swift vector]

but what else can i do bro

my resource is downloaded for free instead of selling it

[sly topaz]

you have to report it and ask them to delete it in the reason

they'll handle it when they handle it, nothing much you can do about it now

[swift vector]

but thats crazy, i had to be able to edit it

by myself

[sly topaz]

you can't, spigot doesn't offer the option

at most you can change the download link to not be your resource ig

[swift vector]

that's fckd up anyway it already got 2 downloads

so that sucks

so how to do that

pls help me

[mortal vortex]

In retrospect, 2 downloads isnt much

[swift vector]

but how can i change download

[sly topaz]

I don't have any resources to test so I wouldn't be able to tell you, but I am sure you could post an update with an invalid download link or something

[mortal vortex]

3 now

[swift vector]

that sucks

[sly topaz]

did you just go to download it, lmao

[mortal vortex]

Yeah its a banger

might use it

Been needing a self hosted, responsive, voting website for my server

[swift vector]

@vagrant stratus

[sly topaz]

again, stop pinging resource staff, it'll just get you muted or banned

[swift vector]

if he is online.... he could help into it

[sly topaz]

I am online all the time too, because I often leave discord open on my desktop, doesn't mean I am not busy

people have lives, and while I understand your frustration for this situation, there isn't much you can do about it but waiting if you've already reported the resource to ask for removal

[swift vector]

wtf ?

[sly topaz]

they're trolling you, I wouldn't pay mind to it

doubt they even downloaded the resource

[mortal vortex]

But this whole thing was made by chatgpt

[swift vector]

sure just reshare it if you want, it is dmca protected as well will get reported 😉

[mortal vortex]

Its not DMCA protected,

[swift vector]

as i asked you in private to don't reshare it , you're such a noob and post the conversation here

[swift vector]

as you say

[sly topaz]

I mean, if they manage to get it accepted as a premium resource after all of this is dealt with, then I have no qualms about that

[swift vector]

and if it made with gpt, made one by yourself ;). show me how you do that with gpt

[sly topaz]

if it is shit then resource staff won't accept it, that's just how it is. Regardless of whether you use AI or not to make it

[swift vector]

it is written in the description page

[mortal vortex]

didnt know some guy in romania could write something on a forum and it be legally binding to me

[sly topaz]

though I do wonder how resource staff evaluate non-plugin resources when it comes to quality control, I honestly never considered it

[mortal vortex]

even if it wasnt bad, i just cant imagine someone buying this

[sly topaz]

I mean, that isn't really something for me or you to judge

[mortal vortex]

Thanks Javier, very philosophical as usual.

[sly topaz]

I believe you're being particularly harsh on the guy for no reason lol, they're just trying to make a premium resource

[mortal vortex]

im trolling

[swift vector]

that is what stupid people do

[mortal vortex]

In all seriousness, you should recreate this in React maybe.

I cant imagine anyone who would edit HTML just to do this.. If you want to add a button you have to make a whole new div and apply its CSS lol

[swift vector]

you don't know a s... about web developing, you don't even know what react means, and you're talking here

[mortal vortex]

I do though?

[swift vector]

go play with gpt and let me be

[mortal vortex]

uhuh...

[swift vector]

if you would be such a great developer, wouldn't troll here

you wouldn't have time for that

[eternal oxide]

lol, that told you abb3v

[mortal vortex]

yeah im fucking shivvering

oh my god im a fraud

[swift vector]

be sure of that

[mortal vortex]

hey btw buddy, the word "responsive" means it works across devices.

setting my view to anything other than a desktop view, the whole site is out of proportions lol.

[swift vector]

my bad you downloaded an outdated version xDxD

the panel shouldn't be that colors

[mortal vortex]

uhuh, okay.

[swift vector]

so i even posted bad link to download

xDxD

but that's also dmca protected so don't even bother to repost it or idk

[mortal vortex]

im not going to repost it dude

[sullen marlin]

Aight just leave them

[young knoll]

Wait

Can non-plugins even be posted as premium resources?

[swift vector]

why not ?

[mortal vortex]

Yeahh isnt that a thing for BuiltByBit

[young knoll]

Resources must be plugins.
This means that resources where the main functionality is non-plugin based, ie: "web" resources will be rejected.

[mortal vortex]

ooof buddy

[swift vector]

anyway i can't find the "premium feature" at all when posting a resource, even plugin one

like to post it for sale

[young knoll]

Then you don’t meet the requirements

[swift vector]

hmm

[young knoll]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/premium-resource-guidelines.31667/

[sly topaz]

?premium

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/premium-resource-guidelines.31667/

[young knoll]

Oh yeah we have a command for it

[swift vector]

thanks

[sly topaz]

damn you Jish, always one step ahead

[young knoll]

Anyway me thinks you should give that a read

[swift vector]

yea that's really helpfull, now i understand

thank you man

[mortal vortex]

simple solution, "hey gpt, can you make a web-server jar for Spigot that will serve my embedded website"

[young knoll]

That’s actually extremely easy to do

But it would still be a primarily web based resource

[quaint mantle]

Chatgpt make me a minecraft website

[dark moth]

im lonely and i gotta test something. if i code a npc would that work ?

[chrome beacon]

Help with your lonelyness? Probably not

Or if you're asking if it's possible; yeah you can make NPCs

But I'd recommend just using Citizens

[royal onyx]

Hi can someone help me with the worldborderAPI? im trying to create a chunkborder plugin where if someone types /chunk it creates a per player worldborder, i store it in yml, and load it when joined. everything seems to be going fine, but the border itself isn't showing. And it gives no errors. I can provide screenshots if someone wants to help me

[chrome beacon]

Show us how you're creating the border

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[dark moth]

lol

my friends are all offline rn

ty for the help tho ❤️

[dark moth]

it costs a whopping ten dolla dolla. my parents wouldnt allow that

[royal onyx]

Citizens is free, just search for the correct version ->https://ci.citizensnpcs.co/job/citizens2/

[dark moth]

oh nvm

iwant 1.21.6 tho

[royal onyx]

https://pastecode.io/s/mtwgtoqv

This is the snippet where it essentially will load. so i have a listener class which calls this method.

im a beginner, keep that in mind haha:D

this is how it is stored,

[chrome beacon]

What version is the server running?

[royal onyx]

1.20.4

paper

[chrome beacon]

Try using the Spigot api for setting the world border

instead of using a 3rd party lib for it

https://helpch.at/docs/1.20.4/org/bukkit/entity/Player.html#setWorldBorder(org.bukkit.WorldBorder)

[royal onyx]

mm, that supports borders per player?

no right?

[sullen marlin]

Yes, it's on Player

[royal onyx]

oh well, than i'll refactor it that way. and it'll probably work much better. Thanks for now guys:D really helped me

[mortal vortex]

How are you finding VS Code for plugin dev?

is it usable??

oh wait thats just how ur editting the config?

[royal onyx]

hahaha yeah, its my default app for opening .txt / yml etc files

[mortal vortex]

ahhaha okay

[royal onyx]

is there any reason why this wouldn't work? Im on paper 1.21.1

[mortal vortex]

Might want to
A) Read the message you're responding to,
B) Refer to name of this Server
C) change that hideous theme

[young knoll]

My guess is you need to delay it in the join event

[rotund ravine]

Wait a few ticks or do it on their first PlayerMove 💪🏻

[autumn bloom]

does player.haspermission count for permission given by luckperms?

[royal onyx]

tried this, for some reason JanTuck's answer worked and urs didn't i have no idea why, but it works now! Thank you guys so much<3

[young knoll]

yes

[autumn bloom]

ty

[jovial grove]

Is there any way to cancel receiving an join or leave message only for a specific player?

[sly topaz]

listen to the join and quit events, they have setters for the message which you can set to null to not send anything

[winter jungle]

Is it possible to make a boat behave as if it is driving on ice even though it is not? (e.g. on grass)

[mortal vortex]

I don’t think there’s a direct property but you could get the velocity, normalize and then multiply to create a slippy effect

[dark moth]

how do i set someones entity_interaction..range attribute to 1

[grand flint]

u do /attribute

[dark moth]

im coding paper rn tho

[grand flint]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[dark moth]

oh

shoot

i meant spigot

yk

spigot

yeah

nevermind bro i got it

[pure dagger]

any possible way to detect player right clicking even if they're not holding anything

[dark moth]

player interaction event

[grand flint]

yeah lol

[slender elbow]

interact event does not fire if you right click air without holding anything on either hand

the client does not send any packets in that case

[grand flint]

send a video proof pls

wssnt there a right click event on paper or sum

[thorn isle]

yes but as noted it doesn't fire if the player clicks empty air without holding anything

[slender elbow]

I'm on my phone lol

[grand flint]

Pojav launcher

Visual studio code for mobile

[slender elbow]

sure

[grand flint]

yay

[slender elbow]

I'm not gonna do it anyway

[grand flint]

L

[dark moth]

is there any way i can give attributes to a player

[slender elbow]

using the very same old attributes API, yes

[dark moth]

i wanna set entity_interaction..range to 1

[slender elbow]

player.getAttribute, instance.addModifier

I'm sure there's a more detailed guide in the forums somewhere

[dark moth]

ooooooh

okie

[pure dagger]

so its just not possible ?

[slender elbow]

what's your goal?

what kind of arbitrary right clicks are you trying to detect? for what?

[pure dagger]

just detect right clicking in air

or at some entity but the entity can be far away too

i need to detect player clicking on another player, i wanted to do Player.getTargetEntity() but it doesnt even exist

[dark moth]

wait player interaction event doesnt work for this ?

[thorn isle]

only if the interacted-with entity/block is within interaction range; otherwise it isn't really an interaction

[wet breach]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/event/player/PlayerInteractEntityEvent.html

wonder if this would work

[thorn isle]

or if there's an item in the player's hand; then it's an interaction with the item

[slender elbow]

again, right clicking air completely empty handed is undetectable

[pure dagger]

but still entity doesnt have to be clicked.

[pure dagger]

ok so its just not possible

[thorn isle]

tl;dr no

[wet breach]

ok solves half your problem possibly 😛

[slender elbow]

you either need to have something on your hand or have the right clicked entity be within interaction range

[pure dagger]

no

[pure dagger]

ok so idk

what to do

[wet breach]

might help in why you need this?

[slender elbow]

idk I tried to ask and got hit with the "I just need to"

[wet breach]

lol

[pure dagger]

just need to do something to the targeted player

does it matter? ?why

[thorn isle]

if we know what you are doing in practice, we may be able to offer alternative ways of doing it that don't require detecting right clicking empty air without an item in hand

[wet breach]

ultimately we don't really care, however without context though in why you are trying to do this limits how we can help.

[pure dagger]

okay, so just get the instance of clicked player and do something to him

[thorn isle]

why

[pure dagger]

what why...

[slender elbow]

you're just repeating the same thing

[thorn isle]

what are you trying to achieve

[slender elbow]

"I want to eat an apple because I want to be in a position of eating an apple, and to get there I need to eat an apple"

[pure dagger]

yeah ...

[slender elbow]

that's what you sound like

[pure dagger]

i said what i want

[slender elbow]

what does eating the apple achieve

[pure dagger]

idk

[thorn isle]

why are you eating the apple

[slender elbow]

but why

[pure dagger]

im not eating an apple though

[slender elbow]

it was an example

[thorn isle]

you little clown

[slender elbow]

a metaphor

holy christ

[pure dagger]

yeah

[slender elbow]

I've been turned theist

[pure dagger]

just want to detect when a pleyer right clicks... so there is no other alternative cause i want to detect right click

[thorn isle]

there isn't

[slender elbow]

okay let's just say what you want to do is impossible

that's easier than going in circles

[thorn isle]

but if you explain what you are trying to achieve there might be a way of doing that that e.g. doesn't involve right clicking at all

[pure dagger]

like this is already what im tryign to acheive. thsi isnt a way to achieve something else

mkay thanks

[thorn isle]

for example if it's a shooting range where the player is in a predetermined position, you can spawn an interaction entity in front of them to detect the click

but this assumes certain things about your situation so it might not apply to your case

[wet breach]

well so much for helping them

[pure dagger]

yeah i just wanted to ask if thats possible

and its not so i found a different solution i geuss

[barren peak]

more of a citizens question but anyone know why now when using the api it just shows up like this when using chatcolor? (how do I implement chatcolor? this used to work in old versions)
code: CitizensAPI.getNPCRegistry().createNPC(EntityType.PLAYER, ChatColor.DARK_PURPLE + "" + ChatColor.BOLD + "Wizards" + ChatColor.YELLOW + " (beta)");

[sly topaz]

Citizens uses minimessage nowadays

[barren peak]

ah okay

is minimessage paper only or spigot too?

[sly topaz]

should work on either platform as long as they shaded in MM/Adventure

though that said, it seems like Citizens's legacy color codes compatibility layer is broken by looking at that screenshot

they convert the legacy codes to MM format properly but it seems that they don't parse the actual string they converted into a component

[barren peak]

can I directly put thm into a string or do I have to use MiniMessage.miniMessage().deserialize like in velocity?

like can I literally put in a string whats showing up in the name right now in the screenshot?

[sly topaz]

yes

[barren peak]

ok

[mortal hare]

wtf

   @Override
   public void create(Object... args) {
      this.glTexture = (GpuTexture)args[0];
      this.glUnpackPbo = (GpuBuffer)args[1];
      this.level = (Integer)args[2];
      this.internalFormat = (TextureFormat)args[3];
      this.width = (Integer)args[4];
      this.height = (Integer)args[5];
      this.border = (Integer)args[6];
      this.pixels_buffer_offset = (Long)args[7];
   }

why not just expose the parameter types

no f*cks given to compile time type constraints

[wet breach]

what are we complaining about now?

[thorn isle]

looks like the towny permissions system

[barren peak]

okay it didnt end up working (looks same as before)... am I doing this right?

i thought you had to decode it first using minimessage like I did when writing velocity plugin but that doesnt seem to work here either

but maybe i just need to add it to maven or something

[torn shuttle]

hey I haven't checked in a while, has spigot added hex colors

for chat

[thorn isle]

apart from the horrid §x§r§r§g§g§b§b?

[mortal hare]

at this point just adopt adventure api with minimessage

i dont understand why spigot is so conservative in this

we had chat components in NMS since like 1.7

its not beta 1.8 anymore

[thorn isle]

we have minimessage at home (bungee components)

[young knoll]

I mean that’s for legacy conversion

[thorn isle]

joking aside yeah i do think we probably should include adventure or something as part of the api

[young knoll]

You can just do ChatColor.of(“#rrggbb”)

[grand flint]

it gives me a deprecated warning

[thorn isle]

paper takes it way too far by deprecating anything that remotely looks like a string, but i think adventure components themselves are fine

[grand flint]

LMAO literally

[grim hound]

how do you guys load your libby dependencies

mine always take way longer than the server itself to download

[thorn isle]

i just build fat jars

iirc the libraries system is part of spigot and not paper-exclusive, and iirc it only downloads the library if it isn't found in the local cache, so the impact on startup time should be minimal

but since a lot of my jars end up on velocity as well which for aome reason still doesn't have the libraries system, i usually end up building fat jars

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/jar-gif-20364964

[barren peak]

if I'm running a velocity network, how do I send players to a different server through spigot plugin?

ex: they click the GUI and it sends them to the other server

I have tried forcing the /server command but that doesn't seem to work

[rotund ravine]

Well ask on paper discord😊

Tho the bungee plugin channels should still work on velocity iirc

[ocean knoll]

Hey! question is anyone aware of a plugin that allow users to put random items in a chest or NPC at spawn and then sell for a general price of all items place in the chest or gui.

Instead of users having to find random sell shops around the map, they can just go to spawn put the items in and sell their random items in bulk?

Sorry if this isn't the channel for it...

[rotund ravine]

That’d be in #help-server unless u wanna make it urself

[eternal oxide]

its probably because you started with an enum. Add ""+ to the beginning to ensure its a string.

[torn shuttle]

has anyone here tried running a minecraft client - not server, client - on a raspberry pi before?

[mortal hare]

managed to make decompiled xaero's worldmap rendering to work

still crashes on map switching

probs fixed it i guess, wrong cast

[sullen marlin]

I think you can. Performance probably 💩

[mortal hare]

i've seen people run pi edition

but that's ancient version of pocket edition

[torn shuttle]

all I would want it to do is install resource packs

so I can skim the logs

and basically run it as a validation server for resource packs

[sullen marlin]

Why on a pi

[torn shuttle]

because I have a pi

and I don't have a spare pc I want to do this on

[sullen marlin]

Yummy

[torn shuttle]

stop trying to eat my hardware

[remote swallow]

mmmm pi

[rotund ravine]

Ye went fine

Not the greatest fps, but as long as u keep resolution and settings low

[torn shuttle]

hm I might look into it

the only problem is that I'm not sure how useful the startup logs are

since I have no intention of having it actually see something

[echo basalt]

make it a 1x1 screen

[torn shuttle]

ok I don't get what is going on here

I updated intellij and it comepletely broke git

like

it detects a file has changed but can't figure out what in it changed

I had to do a bunch of juggling to get it to be able to push

it looks like it's just corrupted

damn it yeah I have to nuke every single local project I have

how does this even happen intellij

[drowsy helm]

It broke git or broke intellij’s git ui?

[clever wing]

Hello, I have a bungeecord proxy server and 2 servers: lobby, game. I downloaded WorldGuard and created a region. I wanted so when the players will enter the region, the command for example /server lobby will execute and will move the player entering this region to the second server. But it doesn't work as you cannot execute /server lobby, you can only write it yourself and execute it and it will work. Does anybody knows how can I do, so that also for exemple when I write in the console /server lobby (username), it will teleport the player to the lobby server? For now it works only when I write the command myself, but when I insert it in command blocks for example nothing happens, it is a uknown command. Anybody can help with this?

[drowsy helm]

Theres heaps of plugins out there that give a move command for proxies

Just use one of them

[torn shuttle]

I have no clue of what happened to my pc but I have to retire it

the cpu can't keep up with anything

this sucks

[clever wing]

can you give some plugin for 1.21.1?

[drowsy helm]

Just google one

[proud badge]

is md5 paste down

I get "error adding document" when clicking the add document button

[cursive kite]

How do I debug

[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/ERROR]:     PID: 17 | Suspended: false | Native: false | State: RUNNABLE```

[chrome beacon]

That's a threaddump. Usually caused by a tick taking too long. You can see what each thread is doing

[cursive kite]

How do I see what the cause was

Something is freaking out my plugin and causes the join method to run multiple times

[drowsy helm]

it should be a lot longer then that

[cursive kite]

It shows two errors

[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]: java.lang.Throwable
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at co.aikar.timings.TimingHandler.stopTiming(TimingHandler.java:114)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at org.spigotmc.AntiXray.obfuscateSync(AntiXray.java:103)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PacketPlayOutMapChunk.<init>(PacketPlayOutMapChunk.java:22)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PlayerChunkMap$PlayerChunk.b(PlayerChunkMap.java:425)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PlayerChunkMap.removePlayer(PlayerChunkMap.java:206)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PlayerList.disconnect(PlayerList.java:377)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PlayerConnection.a(PlayerConnection.java:875)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.PlayerConnection.disconnect(PlayerConnection.java:186)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at org.spigotmc.RestartCommand.restart(RestartCommand.java:58)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at org.spigotmc.RestartCommand.restart(RestartCommand.java:40)
[06:44:23] [PaperSpigot Watchdog Thread/WARN]:     at org.spigotmc.WatchdogThread.run(WatchdogThread.java:85)```

[drowsy helm]

PaperSpigot

[cursive kite]

dang it

[drowsy helm]

is it your plugin doing it?

[cursive kite]

Whole mess

Apparently every plugin is causing it

[drowsy helm]

thread dump will have everything the thread is executing on it

not just one plugin

[cursive kite]

I have been using my plugin for years without issues, but yesterday and today suddenyl this happened

[drowsy helm]

so its sorta hard to debug with

[cursive kite]

damn

[drowsy helm]

1.8 aswell

[cursive kite]

shhh

Do you think the spigot anti xray is causing it

I updated too much at once dang it

Geyser, and ViaVersion

Should've tried one at a time

The only thing I added to my plugin

was in the AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent I start a MySQL request to see if they are banned

[quaint mantle]

1.8 in massive 25 🥀

[cursive kite]

I think I caused the problem actually

with my MySQL

I use

    public void onAsyncJoinBanned(AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent event) {
        UUID uuid = event.getUniqueId();
        MySQL.validateAndHandleBannedUser(uuid, event);
    }```

Should my validate method be async or sync

since the event is asycn join already

[quaint mantle]

sync because event is already async

[cursive kite]

hmm

so then it isnt my code causing the problem

i have it sync already

there is no issue checking each player here against the mysql table and seeing if they are marked as banned right

if not - i gotta dig into the other plugins x_x

[mortal hare]

public abstract class WorldMap {
   public static final String MOD_ID = "xaeroworldmap";
   public static boolean loaded = false;
   public static WorldMap INSTANCE;
   public static int MINIMAP_COMPATIBILITY_VERSION = 26;
   public static Logger LOGGER = LogManager.getLogger();
   static final String versionID_minecraft = "1.21.5";
   private String versionID;
   public static int newestUpdateID;
   public static boolean isOutdated;
   public static String latestVersion;
   public static String latestVersionMD5;
   public static ClientEvents events;
   public static ModClientEvents modEvents;
   public static ControlsRegister controlsRegister;
   public static WaypointSymbolCreator waypointSymbolCreator;
   public static ByteBufferDeallocator bufferDeallocator;
   public static TextureUploadBenchmark textureUploadBenchmark;
   public static OverlayManager overlayManager;
   public static OldFormatSupport oldFormatSupport;
   public static PNGExporter pngExporter;
   public static TextureUploadPool.Normal normalTextureUploadPool;
   public static TextureUploadPool.BranchUpdate branchUpdatePool;
   public static TextureUploadPool.BranchUpdate branchUpdateAllocatePool;
   public static TextureUploadPool.BranchDownload branchDownloadPool;
   public static TextureUploadPool.SubsequentNormal subsequentNormalTextureUploadPool;
   public static TextureDirectBufferPool textureDirectBufferPool;
   public static MapTilePool tilePool;
   public static MapLimiter mapLimiter;
   public static UnknownBlockStateCache unknownBlockStateCache;
   public static GpuObjectDeleter gpuObjectDeleter;
   public static MapRunner mapRunner;
...

bruh

i swear this mod breaks every single principle there is in OOP 😄

[rough drift]

peak code

[elfin isle]

lgtm, ship it

[ivory sleet]

lgtm indeed!

[feral bear]

Hello, does anyone know how to use the dialogs in 1.21.7?

On my spigot plugin.

[young knoll]

Player#showDialog iirc

[drowsy helm]

I saw someone on forums make a library called unidialog for that, might be worth checking out

[mortal hare]

can we all agree on standardized coordinate systems for graphics

opengl 0,0 is at the bottom left while vulkan/directx is at top left

[mortal hare]

bruh they added this??

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Dialog

this is so cool

you can make serverside non item guis now?

[thorn isle]

myeah

there are also text inputs

so we can finally ditch the anvil/sign gui shit for text inputs

[mortal hare]

I LOVE MOJANG

FINALLY

[thorn isle]

i heard someone said they heard that someone said someone's already made it run doom

[mortal hare]

this seems sooo powerful for admin management plugins

[thorn isle]

not exactly sure how they would've rendered it though, maybe with ascii art in a text box

[mortal hare]

imagine towny gui with this

team chat boxes

[thorn isle]

it's a bit rough around the edges and there's some experimentation needed but yeah it can definitely be used to improve the UX in several plugins

[mortal hare]

mojang really be cooking for the past couple of years

[thorn isle]

first thing i'll do personally once i update to .7 is probably a dialog based conversation UI for betonquest npcs

trying to do multiple-choice in chat is kind of ass

[mortal hare]

i dont care about content updates, mojang is literally making minecraft as a game engine for the past couple of years and i love it

[thorn isle]

that was the plan ever since they rebranded texture packs to resource packs

which was like a million years ago

it's just that they've been slacking off about it for years

[mortal hare]

yea but since like 1.12 resource packs become more useful

since the custom model data was added etc

[thorn isle]

i want my fucking synchronized block registry

[mortal hare]

before it was like at its infancy

[thorn isle]

remodeling noteblocks for custom blocks is 🤡 and we've been stuck with it for years

but yeah they've definitely been better at it in recent times

more and more things are becoming data driven and synchronized each update

synchronized as in sent to the client from the server as a registry

[wet breach]

opengl is an old old api derived from older ones where 3d gaming was not even a thing. OpenGL was for graphing/cad applications as that was really used 3d of anything at the time. So to make things easy with graphing it used the traditional Cartesian coordinate system used in mathematics. DirectX and Vulkan came significantly later and they put their's in the top left because one this is what monitor manufacturers set the native origin to and two in terms of placing graphics like text, most of the world reads left to right top to bottom thus positioning something like text is really easy if origin is in the top left.

if anything the standard is top left and openGL is the outlier here

however in the grand scheme of things origin can be anywhere though and its not hard to flip the matrices to match

[mortal hare]

i feel like data packs is like becoming more and more like a promised plugin api that they've announced back in like 2013 or smth

[thorn isle]

maaaybe, i kind of doubt it will ever be as powerful as actual serverside mods, i.e. craftbukkit + plugins

[mortal hare]

yea, but datapacks are more backwards compatible and less powerful versions of bukkit plugins

[thorn isle]

well

it has its place; you don't really want to auto-download and install arbitrary source code/binaries on the client when it joins the server

[wet breach]

datapacks are nowhere close to plugins

[thorn isle]

a datapack on the other hand is very limited in its scope and can be safely synchronized to the client

[mortal hare]

i would say they replace skript plugin's role here

[wet breach]

that is a better comparison

datapacks are similar to what you might do with lua but lua is still a bit more powerful then datapacks

what I feel they need to do is standardize datapacks and stop arbitrarily changing stuff up without notice

[thorn isle]

i find them to be very difficult to get into

especially for new things that the mc wiki people haven't gotten around to documenting yet

[wet breach]

right, and that is what I mean about standardizing them. Where Mojang creates a page that documents the stuff etc

[thorn isle]

not exactly a datapack thing but for the new custom model thing in resource packs i had to go off of some russian reddit post as my only primary source for any useful information

[wet breach]

and then not deviate from it unless necessary

[thorn isle]

for sure

[wet breach]

basically one of the only reasons I don't even mess with datapacks XD

its too much for me to go scour the internet to find resources on it

[thorn isle]

yeah it's just not worth it when compared to the well-documented bukkit api that has been more or less unchanged for a decade and has as many year's worth of forum posts on common questions and pitfalls built up over time

only reason i ever would use datapacks is things the api can't do

and with paper plugins, the number of those things is going down by the year

[mortal hare]

documentation wise, i think yeah, it could have a better job at it

there's no proper info apart from minecraft.wiki and changelogs

[thorn isle]

day 5 of recaptcha asking me to click motorcycles and showing me mopeds

simple world generation adjustments are probably the only thing datapacks are uniquely useful currently

the amount of nms hacks the tallnether plugin has to do is insane to achieve what takes probably like 5 lines with a datapack

but if i wanted any large changes to the generator, like wanting something more coherent than just noise biomes, it'd probably still be easier to use an established terrain gen plugin like terra

[wet breach]

this is only because its difficult to just hook into the generator that mojang made

[thorn isle]

that's probably due 50/50 to mojank vs having to have it data-driven from datapacks

the codec spaghetti doesn't really help either

[sweet mica]

can you actually apply the trident spin animation to mobs or is that a resource pack thing ppl do

[wet breach]

it reminds me of modding gta V where if you change a value for fuel, it suddenly changed the gravity values too

[pliant topaz]

gotta adjust it to the added fuel weight 🤷‍♂️

[wet breach]

lmao

yeah except it changed it for everything

not just the thing you wanted XD

[pliant topaz]

damn 😂 💀

[wet breach]

but that was an example, not sure if actually does that

but like its weird how everything is connected together where changing a value of something changes another thing not even remotely related

which is why modding GTA V is so difficult

[thorn isle]

drm by obscurity

[wet breach]

lol

[umbral sable]

btw quick question about anti-dupe
There are so many anti-dupe plugins that prevent specific dupes in MC, but what's stopping someone from just assigning a random unoccupied number to each created item (if there's a stack of items store it in a list for each item in the stack so it works when dividing items) that is used as the key to a hash-map containing a struct with which container (player, chest, echest, etc.) the item's in and then stopping the creation of an item if it has the same key in order to stop duping even for unknown exploits.
Is it just the storage & performance cost and the fact that all known regular dupes are already patched and have a much smaller cost to both?
It would definitely have a significant cost, but should also still be handleable.
It's already done by Hypixel for more rare, high worth items, but I haven't really seen its implementation in public plugins beyond item currency plugins.

[wet breach]

anti-dupe plugins track specific things that cause the dupe. The reason your method won't necessarily work is because its the server generating the item

which if the server does it, it is basically a legit item and thus you have to at times track what caused it before that happened, not just detecting a new item appeared

just because an item has a specific number attached does not necessarily mean the new item will have the same thing

IE, it isn't necessarily an exact copy per-say at least not all the time, but the base item gets duplicated

but your method does work for about half the dupes though

[umbral sable]

Yes, ik those cases wouldn't be handled, but typically the items that you want to duplicate are typically ones where you want them to keep their data working anyways

[wet breach]

so its better then nothing 😛

the reason hypixel can do what they do is because their server implementation is custom

IE, they don't really need to use reflection to make things happen

where as plugins for spigot, paper or any other would need to

[umbral sable]

Ones that only dupe the base item should largely be patched and are less common no? Since most modern unpatched exploits work specifically because they're generating 2 exact copies rather than generating another copy of the base

[umbral sable]

ic

[wet breach]

also some dupes which the ones I know of can happen at two completely separate times to make it work

IE, the mule/horse dupe and merchant one. And the teleporting one

[echo basalt]

You can assign unique ids to items and track them

It's just really unpractical

[umbral sable]

Yes, ik I mentioned Hypixel and similar servers doing it
I was just asking why it isn't more common or in more publicly available plugins

[umbral sable]

Yes, but in that case you'd reference the hashmap and see that it came from a different inventory

[echo basalt]

Because it's unpractical

[thorn isle]

with the number of items on a well populated minecraft server it isn't necessarily feasible to assign ids to and track them all

[wet breach]

what I meant is you could wait for a server restart

in which case you now have a new hashmap

[thorn isle]

and attaching unique ids to each item means they won't stack, of course

[wet breach]

how do you determine that the hashmap isn't wrong at this point?

[umbral sable]

You'd probably want to store it and reinitialize the hashmap

[thorn isle]

2 years later you'll OOM just trying to fit it in memory

[wet breach]

lmao

[umbral sable]

Yeah, you'd have to develop a custom solution for that so that each id gets stored in NBT as part of a list

[echo basalt]

There are a million ways items can stack

[echo basalt]

Or fold ids

[wet breach]

also the majority of servers don't necessarily have just 1 unique item to ever exist in the server. That is, they allow duplicates of the item.

[echo basalt]

And track that in a db somewhere

[thorn isle]

doing this with a plugin is very finicky, error prone (and liable to create rather than stop dupes) and only possible to a certain extent

doing it properly would require patching the server

[umbral sable]

You're not storing the entire hashmap
Most items just disappear in some random storage somewhere
You'd store them in a database with a cache

[umbral sable]

Makes sense

[wet breach]

you idea is basically just track all items in the server? If that is the case you would need t he plugin to be on there for the creation of the server

[umbral sable]

yup

[wet breach]

you wouldn't be able to introduce the plugin in the middle of a server existing which is problematic in terms of plugins

[thorn isle]

i do actually do a subset of this on my server, except it's only limited to high-value and naturally unstackable items, like weapons and armor

it's not really to prevent dupes however, but rather to prevent item loss

i can track where each item was last seen

[umbral sable]

Yeah, best you would be able to do is assign a new UUID as soon as an item without one is interacted with

Which means that already done dupes would still have their full consequences

[umbral sable]

How exactly would it create dupes? It never creates any items. It only stops the creation or destroys items.

[thorn isle]

any kind of finicky inventory interaction manipulation is liable to create dupes

getItem() creates an item

[wet breach]

also, your idea doesn't stop plugins from making dupes either

[umbral sable]

Yeah, I mentioned Hypixel being an example of a server that does this for valuable items
Plugins that do it for specific items seem rare though (or at least I haven't found them) which is part of what I'm asking

[umbral sable]

Yeah, if they duplicated the base item, it'd still work, it'd only stop dupes where NBT is preserved

[thorn isle]

it's kind of a chore to implement, and like you just mentioned it doesn't cover nearly all the cases, and especially on paper servers, most if not all dupes arise from plugins fumbling shit

in which case there is zero guarantee anything you do will un-fumble it

[wet breach]

I always hate trying to stop plugins from making the dupes

most of your inventory plugins or plugins that do stuff with inventories are notorious to cause them

[echo basalt]

Especially if you delay by a tick

[thorn isle]

tl;dr it's doable and somewhat useful but not worthwhile for most servers

[echo basalt]

Aka unpractical

[umbral sable]

Yeah, but this would at least handle cases where the nbt is duplicated which are most important

[umbral sable]

ic so it's mostly just the cost to performance, storage, and manpower then

thanks for the info

[umbral sable]

*and where they don't pull some dumb shit that skips event handlers since that's how we'd be performantly checking things

[thorn isle]

one super nice thing about it is that i can grab any tracked item from a gui which lists them all, and it'll just disappear from where it was originally and appear on me

but that's kind of a fringe thing to need to do and i can maybe remember doing it maybe thrice

[young knoll]

Wait what

[hybrid spoke]

#help-server

[thorn isle]

yea since everything has an unique id and i can track where it is, i can just joink it from anywhere; even an unloaded chunk

[wet breach]

not sure how you are doing it from an unloaded chunk

unless you are loading it and then doing so, otherwise it still exists in the unloaded chunk?

[thorn isle]

i experimented with loading it and then removing it, but after fiddling around with it some, it didn't really turn out to be necessary; i have it set up so it gets deleted when interacted with

e.g. if it's in a chest and someone opens the chest, it disappears before you even see it

if it's on the ground it despawns when the chunk loads

you can still kind of cheat around it by like equipping it on a zombie, but tackling those edge cases while doable wasn't really worth the effort

[wet breach]

well if its a server you are running I suppose its not all that difficult to read from chunks not loaded

personally I have employed external scripts/applications to scan unloaded chunks periodically for issues

not that hard

as I have always said, not everything needs to be done within the server itself

[thorn isle]

eh, it's not really worth the effort, loading a chunk and taking a look at it is decently cheap in isolation

especially with paper's async chunk loading

[wet breach]

for a survival server that has many players this isn't usually ideal

[thorn isle]

well, let's think about the scale

if you have many, say 30 players, and your view distance is 4

that's very very many chunks, and many chunks being loaded all the time

in comparison, one chunk load is negligible

[wet breach]

my maps are usually 10k x 10k minimum

as I said, typically I only scanned the unloaded ones for issues not that it was searching for items in particular

just that if you wanted to use something like that for items in particular not that hard is all

[thorn isle]

i mean i'm only loading the one specific chunk i know the item to be in already

but yeah if we're scanning the entire world, reading the region file directly makes sense

[wet breach]

sigh, one of these days I will complete my mc implementation that truely does load balancing and makes it easier to start up servers for such things

[sly topaz]

reading the region file directly is something one should strive away from, it makes for brittle code

[wet breach]

not sure what you mean

[thorn isle]

you have to maintain and upkeep it as mojang changes the format and parsing

[sly topaz]

you'll have to keep track of encoding changes as they happen, it isn't really optimal even if mojang doesn't do it that often

[thorn isle]

and i think it's still possible to fuck it up in such a way that in-memory changes on the server get lost, at least if you're incompetent

[wet breach]

it isn't that hard really. It was to detect issues not fix them right then and there. It would mark chunks that had an issue, assign a severity level. I had a plugin that used this data that depending on severity level if it was high enough would not load the chunk

[thorn isle]

i vaguely remember having my entire spawn region disappear after installing a chinese view distance extender plugin which read the region files directly...

[wet breach]

and then, whenever there was time I employed a different script to fix the bad chunks

[sly topaz]

even if you're competent, there's no saying as to something you've done being within "specification" yet something mojang decides to change for the in-memory representation and fucking up the world, it is just brittle

[tropic knoll]

thanks

[sly topaz]

it isn't about it being hard but rather, it being brittle, nobody wants to deal with brittle code

[wet breach]

it wasn't brittle for me

maybe if talking about in the MC server sure

[thorn isle]

to be fair there are region parsing libraries out there i'm fairly sure

so you could reasonably toss the maintenance responsibility to someone else

[wet breach]

the only data I was looking for is certain things that would cause a chunk to not load

which there is only certain specific data that would stop this

[sly topaz]

last time I checked there weren't any that were actively maintained, but since the format hasn't changed all that much in a while you can make-do with what exists

[wet breach]

but I would hardly call it brittle though. Also, I am not in the habit of just arbitrarily updating servers on a whim that are production

[sly topaz]

if you have a production server then you just have to update in order to not lose players nowadays, that is just how it is

[thorn isle]

for sure not but every piece of code i need to vet and test for every new version is a piece of code i want someone else to maintain

[wet breach]

ok, well I don't operate servers like everyone else

most are kids who rely on the players because they are on a shoe string budget