help-development

[sly topaz]

did you leave and join again

[lilac dagger]

maybe

[storm wind]

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to implement a bot system to give the impression that the server is full? Having more bots according to the number of players so that the bots can be communicative, have actions, etc.

[sly topaz]

are you trying to develop a plugin to do this or are you asking if there's an existing solution for it

because either way the answer is that it's futile

instead of trying to fake a community, what you can do is try and create a story-based server where players have to interact with NPCs

that way it doesn't feel that empty

[echo basalt]

even if you try to commercialize it they don't bring in enough to make a living

and there is competition in the market

[storm wind]

I already do this but even so, for example, I get 40 players in the opening and I feel that 40 don't enter because there aren't enough players.

[sly topaz]

if you don't try then you'll never know whether it is actually viable

it most likely is, you just have to find the niche where players feel like they belong

[echo basalt]

I'm speaking from experience buddy

[storm wind]

a lot of $$ is needed

[echo basalt]

making a spoofer also needs a bunch of money

[sly topaz]

a lot of money for what, the most money you'll need when you start is to host the server

the rest you can make-do by sacrificing your time

[storm wind]

I already have my own community and I have over 1000 members on discord. I've tried to engage with a well-made trailer etc but I still got the same number of players that I usually get 40, and a lot of people don't play because 40 is not enough

[storm wind]

not if I do it myself

[sly topaz]

it isn't about the amount of players, it is about the experience

[echo basalt]

Yeah good luck with that

[sly topaz]

40 concurrent players is a lot if there's a tight community around it

[storm wind]

I get 40 on openings but 20 is what I get every day

[echo basalt]

Spoofers get pretty complex specially if you're running a proxied network and/or want the fake players to actually chat

[sly topaz]

hence why I said they're not worth it

players won't feel compelled by number going up, they'll feel compelled when they have more actual people to interact with

[storm wind]

the proxy part is the easiest. the hard part is the other part you said, they chatting etc

they go pvp too

[sly topaz]

ultimately, it is up to you. My take on it is that it is wasted effort

building a community takes a lot of time, so you'll just have to bear that in mind

[drowsy helm]

this usually just means your server isn't that engaging

[sly topaz]

eh, that's more than most people get on an opening

I got like 5 players on my first few servers lol, and they just stuck around because I gave them items

[storm wind]

There are no players because it is expensive to invest in media

[sly topaz]

investing in media is a form of attracting people, but making them part of the community takes a whole different skillset

[drowsy helm]

No, I just mean players don't stay on the server. Nothing to do with media

a good product advertises itself

[sly topaz]

I always hated that quote, because it is hardly true and even more so for minecraft servers were a few big servers have the monopoly on players

[drowsy helm]

What is the premise of the server and what sets it apart from other servers?

[sly topaz]

a good product doesn't necessarily advertise itself, otherwise the whole marketing career would be pointless

[drowsy helm]

There are millions of players who aren't playing these servers and are sparsely spread across other servers. I don't think it's a moot point

anyways my point being- players will stay on your server if it is fun and engaging

If you aren't retaining players it simply means your server isn't engaging

[pliant topaz]

And bots won't help keeping people online

[sly topaz]

and the biggest issue is, even if you make it engaging, then you have to figure out how to commercialize it if that's your end goal

so yeah, hard problems to think about

[drowsy helm]

Yeah only thing bots will do is maybe get more people to join initially, but doesn't help retention

[pliant topaz]

For figuring out if its engaging, you can ask your friends or other people to playtest

[echo basalt]

bots can hurt retention by making the community feel dead

[sly topaz]

dead internet theory becoming more real by the second

[pliant topaz]

Let them give you constructive feedback to improve.
One mistake I made is seeing my own project through pink glasses, thinking its perfect, but I was just too blinded but what I wanted it to be without it actually being it

[storm wind]

In fact, they keep playing. We had 35 players at the opening and we keep 20+ every day. Some players who stopped playing were precisely due to lack of players and many people did not enter the opening because they wanted more than 40 players.

our server is raiding and pvp, but we have such a high retention rate because it has new systems and really captivating systems. what i really need is visibility on social platforms

[storm wind]

I just asked a clan for feedback on the server and they really thought the server was amazing and said they were playing alone because their clan stopped playing and those same clans who stopped playing said the server was really good but stopped playing because they thought the server would get more players and those players didn't even play Minecraft anymore.

[drowsy helm]

Ah that makes sense , factions type stuff is a hard market to get into

[thorn isle]

https://github.com/MineDojo/Voyager

adjust the goals a little, implement some smoother movement/attack skill libraries, and it'll get you pretty far

[storm wind]

It's like factions but an even more niche niche

[drowsy helm]

Is there any room for pve content?

[storm wind]

but this is software to put server side?

[storm wind]

yes

[sly topaz]

the issue with factions is that it is a gamemode that inherently needs a lot of players, so you ca't really do much if you don't have a lot of players from the get-go

[thorn isle]

a server is just another computer

[storm wind]

has pve and quests system

[thorn isle]

it's not a plugin, if that's what you're asking

you'll need a box with some python and other libraries installed

[storm wind]

mine is rust

[thorn isle]

and an api key to your llm provider of choice

[storm wind]

rust is better than factions in this aspect

[sly topaz]

that is just factions with a theme, I've never played rust without friends lol

[storm wind]

no, because factions you normally invade when there are players from the enemy faction online because when they are online they have valuable things in the base. in rust no

and in rust there is pve. in factions there is no

[sly topaz]

well, whatever it is that your server does, if it has a pve aspect but as per feedback, players just want to do normal factions-like activities, it could very well be that the PvE aspect of the server isn't as well-developed

then again, as someone said before, factions is a hard market to get into because even if you have a well-developed PvE ecosystem, most seasoned players just want to play factions without changing the rules they already know, so you do have to find a balance there

[echo basalt]

the problem with gamemodes like factions and skyblock is the lack of originality imo

SaberFactions and SSB2 came out and it was a no-brainer to use them

It went from "who can make the best plugin" to "who can optimize it best"

[sly topaz]

I don't really like gamemodes where I have to actively interact with players so I cannot say honestly, I've briefly played factions before and didn't like it

Skyblock I did play HP's because of course, everyone played HP's skyblock

I got addicted to it for a good while, but stopped at some point and went back to bedwars where I belong

[storm wind]

you didn't like facitons because you had to play with players but you like bedwars? lmao

bedwars literally you can only play if you have players

[sly topaz]

I never party with anyone, I only play duos with whoever HP feels like placing me with

that's usually some newb, but it doesn't matter. If I can't carry them through the whole session then it's a skill issue

[pure dagger]

how do you make sure the npc (citizens) stays there? and not spawn another one on reload?

i mean i got npc information in config so i need to spawn them but i dont wanna spawn an npc 2 times

[pliant topaz]

Ah thats bitter :/ But I think bots still won't help, like illusion said it will most likely have a negative impact

[thorn isle]

rather than trying to make them appear as players, how about embracing the npc aspect; if they can chat and do pvp and execute simple tasks, i probably wouldn't mind recruiting some into my faction

[sly topaz]

add the Spawned trait to them

[pure dagger]

what does it dooo

[sly topaz]

https://jd.citizensnpcs.co/net/citizensnpcs/api/trait/trait/Spawned.html

[thorn isle]

then toss some extra game mechanics at them, like having to provide them with quarters and resources or something and you get uh

what's what mod with the self-building npc villages

millionaire or something

that but factions, that ought to be new and niche

alternatively, hire 40 third world country children with robux to play on your server

this is probably easier and cheaper

[pure dagger]

uhm...

actually whenever i enable my plugin i probably should spawn them again cause

the config changes

so should i just remove them at onDisable or what

[sly topaz]

you should create a trait for that instead

I recommend reading the wiki about it

more specifically the persistence API part

[sly topaz]

Millenaire

[pure dagger]

npc:
  - name: "Kowal"
    world: "world"
    x: 0
    y: 70
    z: 0
    pitch: 0   #optional
    yaw: 0     #optional

this is the yml

idk if you understand

but there is a list of them

i dont really imagine how that would work

[sly topaz]

that kind of thing is already saved on Citizens's storage if you add the Spawned trait to it

no need to save it yourself

[pure dagger]

i dont save it

its for player editing

[sly topaz]

I am unsure whether Citizens has a way to configure your own storage for NPCs, that way you don't have to reinvent the wheel

you could make your own Spawned trait which essentially saves to a custom DataKey instead of Citizens's default one

try asking in their discord, maybe they'll know better how to handle that kind of thing

[pure dagger]

oki doki

[plush sluice]

2025-06-09 19:33:52 49923 [Warning] Aborted connection 49923 to db: 'unconnected' user: 'unauthenticated' host: 'connecting host' (Out of memory.)

i think i fd up something

[sly topaz]

out of mem, smells like a memory leak

[plush sluice]

surprisingly it has memory left

its not filled

[pure dagger]

why do these servers have lgbtqia flags

[plush sluice]

221/4096mb used

[sly topaz]

because they support the movement, that's all

[plush sluice]

or im dumb and it doesnt work like that

[sly topaz]

out of mem doesn't necessarily mean it is out of total memory, but rather that it can't allocate more than what it was allowed to use

[plush sluice]

ah

i think i know what could be the problem

i use self hosted pterodactyl panel and to restart servers i use restart button

could it be it and the db connection doesnt get shutdown?

even tho its in ondisable?

[sly topaz]

not sure honestly, I don't even know what you're using for db connections

[plush sluice]

hikari mariadb driver

[torpid zinc]

I was hoping to make a plugin work with both spigot and bungee. I found I could use submodules, but I found very little content online about how to do so. I was hoping someone could help me a bit to do this with gradle

[thorn isle]

because it's pride month again and the agents of SATAN are coming out of their hiding

[sly topaz]

it should be fairly straightforward if you follow gradle documentation on multiple-project configurations (they call modules projects for whatever reason)

[thorn isle]

this can also be caused by e.g. trying to allocate an overly-large string/array

[torpid zinc]

Alright thank you I will check it out!

[sly topaz]

https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/intro_multi_project_builds.html

[plush sluice]

i mean it has worked and now it started showing these errors

they dont showup for ~10h after restarting db

[pure dagger]

coolll

a bit misleading thoguht

[sly topaz]

I do recommend not asking that question in these discords directly since that'll probably just get you a punishment

a lot of trolls often come and attack servers with the logo so even if it is a genuine question, it might come off just another troll attempting to well, do what they want to do

[plush sluice]

im not gonna point a finger to the person that created that connector BUT that person created shutdown method where there is lets say 100 connections he creates new connection and closes that connection and done server is down and we left with 100 connections

thats where the mem leak appears

i hope so

[sly topaz]

it could just be you forgetting to close connections tbh

make sure to use a try with resources for all database connections

let the hikaricp pool handle the rest

[plush sluice]

yeah

thats what i did now

didnt think of that at first because as I said I didnt even know how it worked because it wasnt me who created it

[pure dagger]

uhmm i just asked dont ban me

😨

[sly topaz]

well, I said in those discords, not this one lol. As long as it is genuine it should be okay anyway

[mortal hare]

how do you guys handle configurations of the plugins?
do you generally create a class/interface which will be populated with the elements the program might need to read, or do you instead make interface/class for plugin and a factory class for it which will be populated with configuration values via factory method?

@NullMarked
public interface Configuration {
  interface Messages {
    Component registered();
    Component unregistered();
    Component fail();
    Component success();
    Component unavailable();
  }
  
  Messages messages();
}

vs

public interface Plugin {
  // methods
  
  static Plugin load() {
    // load plugin implementation from plugin's "config.yml" and dont expose config values
  }
}

i feel like hiding configuration is cleaner as Plugin wouldn't need to expose values that might be needed in the plugin's object instances

[paper viper]

Idk I just use configurate lol

[sly topaz]

same

I have a love/hate relationship with it but it is good enough for most usecases

[sly topaz]

this looks awful though

i can't imagine every message being its own method

[paper viper]

Just make it a constant

[sly topaz]

I would either go an enum or a record for each message

[paper viper]

Also this is random but I just found out enums can implement interfaces yesterday lmao

[sly topaz]

yeah, it's pretty handy

[paper viper]

I don’t know why I barely see it

Like I’ve only see it once

[sly topaz]

you can have enum constants which override methods, and that makes it rather powerful

[paper viper]

Yeah

[mortal hare]

why bother with constants when you can just not expose those fields in a first case

just inject those components through constructor inside plugin factory when loading from config file

it even reflects reloading the plugin which is done via command

[sly topaz]

it isn't about exposing the fields, but maintaining a standard in place

it is immediately clear what I am trying to do for anyone when I do Messages.SUCCESS.send(player, context)

and then I can just go to Messages class and inspect the message keys

[young knoll]

My config system just injects stuff into fields

Either static or instance

[mortal hare]

but you will only use the message once or maybe twice. also enums are kinda global, dependency injection through constructor allows you to swap text components

[sly topaz]

why would I want to swap them, messages should be set in stone the moment I start the server

[mortal hare]

localization based on player

[thorn isle]

if i need to send the player an arbitrary message i'll accept an arbitrary message as a parameter, possibly with type information about the formatting parameters required

[sly topaz]

code-wise I mean, you still should be able to change the message on a configuration

[thorn isle]

otherwise, DI for messages is just completely overkill

the player-based localization should be encapsulated in the Message object and resolved when send is called

no point passing around different message instances for that

[young knoll]

Or you can handle that in a packet listener

Might be better in some cases

Alternatively use a resource pack and just use actual translations

[thorn isle]

will be cleaner in the message class since you can make more informed assumptions about what's going on

[sly topaz]

resource packs for localization sounds like ugh

[young knoll]

I mean if you already have one it’s not bad

[thorn isle]

myeah that's fair on both sides; i wouldn't set one up for translations, but if i already required one, it'd be the ideal way of going about translations

supposing you have a pipeline in place to make sure your players always get the newest version of the pack and aren't missing any localization keys...

[young knoll]

You can do fallbacks

[sly topaz]

I mean, you should be always versioning that type of stuff so you know what players are receiving

[young knoll]

That’s what the uuid is for

And/or the hash

[mortal hare]

i just recently started to follow YAGNI a lot. If your plugin needs to setup commands, why expose all those manager, localization classes inside plugin interface when you can just expose command instances which the glue code factories will use to hook it up to bukkit

[sly topaz]

that sounds like extremism

a bukkit plugin is a simple enough system that you can just repeat yourself enough times about this kind of stuff

it all depends on how integrated you want it to be, you could get away by making a global system by using things like service loaders and what not but it ends up complicating the pipeline for no reason if you aren't working with multiple people

my goal is to always make a plugin behave as expected, regardless of what design philosophies I might impose in my code

users will expect messages to be in a locale file inside the plugin data folder, so that's what I do

[young knoll]

Nah I make sure my plugins behave wildly

[pure dagger]

Oh sory hah..

[sly topaz]

move the locale file each time the server starts to a different location

HideAndSeekLocale the plugin

[young knoll]

Now we’re talking

[mortal hare]

i feel like the more your code resembles black box functionality the better since then you have strong type checking in place and more info embedded into types

[sly topaz]

I was going to follow up with this but I ended up getting distracted:
Now, whatever design philosophies I might impose on my source, that's up to me and it all depends on how much I want to pat myself on the head for the complexity I've developed, because if I actually wanted to be productive I wouldn't even think about it any more than just creating the locale file

[mortal hare]

instead of generalizing functionality into low level managers you should make it as high level as possible and then move to managers if you really need it for polymorphism (for example for api's)

[sly topaz]

I feel like you probably should get a job at a company using Jakarta EE

you'll get tired of the mental gymnastics people do with code around enterprise software

plugins simply don't require that much thought on them

[mortal hare]

that was just example

im just being philosophical here

[plush sluice]

what is the recommended max pool size for db connections?

[slender elbow]

10000000000000000000000000000000

[vast ledge]

xD

Integer.MAX

[slender elbow]

the answer really is "it depends"

it depends on your expected query throughput

[sly topaz]

are you asking for your connection pool or how many you allow in the db in general

[vast ledge]

If you're syncing player inventories into a db every time a item is added / removed then its gna be higher than whena player joins / leaves

[sly topaz]

for the db, you allow as many as your resources allow

for the connection pool, as Emily stated it depends

[plush sluice]

everything is stored in cache until player leaves the server completely

redis ofc

[vast ledge]

So you're syncing inventories?

[plush sluice]

nah

at least not for now

[vast ledge]

Then what's the usecase?

[slender elbow]

god damn, log4shell was 3 and a half years ago

it feels like it was yesterday

why do i keep doing this to myself

[sly topaz]

is this the connection pool for a single plugin or the whole server

[plush sluice]

it will be saving skyblock island data and other plugins like friends plugin on proxy, saving player data like if they left with with vanish, flymode, etc

single plugin

[vast ledge]

So F list / player state

What island data?

Does it change often?

[sly topaz]

then just play around with the value, start at 10 or something and see how that scales

[vast ledge]

Just see when it breaks

and if it breaks add more

[plush sluice]

idk its not really made rn, uhh like its members, coops, location, id

[young knoll]

I just use whatever the default is for Hikari

Seems to work

[plush sluice]

and what is the default?

[young knoll]

Not sure tbh

[sly topaz]

it is on their readme

[mortal hare]

it depends™

[sly topaz]

do you think you'll have more than 10 concurrent connections at a time? If so, up it

by concurrent I mean connections that haven't been returned to the pool once their query was executed

[mortal hare]

try to visualize a concurrent situation and roughly guess how many connections it might need based on the server population and the usage of the function

blindly guessing it just doesnt work

[young knoll]

10

[vast ledge]

xD

[young knoll]

https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP/wiki/About-Pool-Sizing

[buoyant viper]

got damn

[worldly ingot]

More threads = more fast, so this seems accurate

"Not enough connections"? I don't know why all these DBAs exist when you can just crank the number of connections in the pool.

[wet breach]

Lol

[restive mango]

Is there any way to adjust the activation or tracking range of an individual mob?

[buoyant viper]

probably

[mortal hare]

any idead why suddendly minestom server starts to throw this error:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException: Index -1 out of bounds for length 0
    at net.minestom.server.registry.DynamicRegistryImpl.loadStaticSnbtRegistry(DynamicRegistryImpl.java:247)
    at net.minestom.server.registry.DynamicRegistry.create(DynamicRegistry.java:108)
    at net.minestom.server.item.enchant.Enchantment.createDefaultRegistry(Enchantment.java:33)
    at net.minestom.server.ServerProcessImpl.<init>(ServerProcessImpl.java:123)
    at net.minestom.server.MinecraftServer.updateProcess(MinecraftServer.java:84)
    at net.minestom.server.MinecraftServer.init(MinecraftServer.java:78)
    at lt.breakout.gateway.Server.main(Server.java:22)
Caused by: java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBoundsException: Index -1 out of bounds for length 0
    ... 6 more

whilst trying to run the server?

i dont get it stack trace, traces it back to MinecraftServer.init()

[paper viper]

Why are you asking spigot discord

Ask minestorm

[fluid goblet]

https://paste.md-5.net/umilubuxuz.cs
i need help

[rough ibex]

With?

[fluid goblet]

so im trying to make the axe throable with a right click but when i do it, its just stuck in the air

and not moving either

[echo basalt]

What's the new cool nbt lib people use for standalone projects nowadays?

querz/nbt is giving me validation errors on valid nbt I cba making abandonware work

NBT-API doesn't have a standalone version afaik

and making my own takes so much effort to make and maintain

[slender elbow]

adventure-nbt i suppose

[echo basalt]

Does it do SNBT parsing?

[slender elbow]

sure

[echo basalt]

Does that snbt parsing break if I pass it an empty object?

"my_key": {}

[slender elbow]

idk

[echo basalt]

fuck it we try

[slender elbow]

got nothing to lose

[echo basalt]

time

which I don't care aboutu because I'm being paid hourly

[slender elbow]

oh then you totally got nothing to lose

like, what is 5 minutes anyway

round it up to the nearest 60 minutes

[echo basalt]

I've been here for 6 hours already :)

goal is to serve husksync data over a rest api

[slender elbow]

woa

[echo basalt]

except instead of just serving raw json / snbt

I'm decoding the item components, rendering it as html with adventure-webui

and then serving them :)

along with a bunch of player data

TagStringIO is a horrible name for a compund parser btw

no intellisense when I do StringIO or TagIO

[slender elbow]

i can only assume it works given it was updated for the 1.21....5? .4? snbt changes

[echo basalt]

we're running it all in .4

so who cares

also found it absolutely comical that husksync's dumping thing is called Toilet

[slender elbow]

lol

[paper viper]

I’m going to call all my memory dumps toilet dumps

[echo basalt]

I love writing stubs

yay adventure-nbt works

Any standalone itemstack apis :3

please don't make me write a datacomponent system

alright boys I'm writing a datacomponent system

Does mojang still use json for serializing item names or is it snbt now 🤔

[echo basalt]

this only took 7 hours

[echo basalt]

@slender elbow you lied this doesn't handle some empty tags properly

it has code for it

for some reason it no worky?

I managed to get it to read a negative index

ah it shits the bed with byte arrays

I'll just make it save items in snbt makes it easier to serve too

it still shits the bed

[slender elbow]

hm?

snbt is a disaster for a reason

[echo basalt]

Extracting the radix when it's the entirety of the builder makes the builder empty

fetching the last char causes and IOOBE

and it's a regular ass snbt string nothing crazy

The only nbt parser that has reliably worked is the nbt linter I use

https://www.soltoder.com/NBTLint

I think it's because it's detecting "0b" as the beginning of a binary string instead of it just the byte 0

yup that's it

[dawn flower]

how do i make density 3 the max you can get from an etable

[smoky anchor]

✨ datapacks ✨

nevermind, I don't know if you can limit it there

You can change the enchant level in EnchantItemEvent
not sure what to do with it showing the value tho

[slim wigeon]

What datapacks?

[somber scarab]

is there an easy way to make players look like other mobs? including their vision and interactions?

actually screw the interaction.. I just want a player to look like a zombie

[paper viper]

Vision as in like spectator mode?

You can try using libsdisguises

But for the spectator vision, it’s kind of hard to implement from what I remember

You have to send a fake death packet and spawn a fake entity

[somber scarab]

all good then it's not needed

its only for one video so I don't want anything that needs too much work

[mortal hare]

any gradle users here? how can i restructure zipped distribution directories using distribution plugin (which bundled with application plugin) in gradle?

i want bin/ folder to be at the root directory of zipped distribution file

[wraith delta]

Is uuid and ip the only possible way at all to identify a player? Verifying it’s actually you

[mortal vortex]

pretty much

even like geographic location consistency still depends on IP

[wraith delta]

What’s a good way to verify it’s you without needing to fill in a password? Currently I’m making sure uuid = name

Some ip seems to be dynamic, therefor that can’t be the reliable way

[eternal oxide]

You can't

[wraith delta]

Cuz people can just spoof your name and join your server to have admin perms. With bungeecord

So I’m making sure the admins name matches their real uuid

[eternal oxide]

No they can't

UUID is unique, name is not

[wraith delta]

They can spoof uuid, or name. One of them can be swapped and that lets someone join bungeecord subserver to have staff perms

[eternal oxide]

they can't spoof uuid as thats verified by Mojang

[wraith delta]

Yes they can lol. Bungeecord subservers are set to offline mode

[eternal oxide]

then you have failed to setup your servers

[mortal vortex]

location approximation.

[eternal oxide]

backend servers should have no direct link to the outside

[chrome beacon]

^^

if that's not possible you need something like Bungeeguard

[mortal vortex]

and yes, this is true, your Bungeecord subservers are all validated through the proxy.

[wraith delta]

You aren’t understanding. Someone can create their own proxy then use your servers ip:port to the backend, this lets them have their own bungeecord setup yet be on your server. Thus allowing them to have offline mode to spoof their uuid as a staff member

[eternal oxide]

Your servers shoudl not be accessible via an ip:port

[chrome beacon]

Which is why you use Bungeeguard or only allow your Bungee to connect

[eternal oxide]

you have failed to correctly configure your servers

[chrome beacon]

This will still be the case if someone spoofs their own proxy

[wraith delta]

It’s possible to any server, unless their server ip is masked by some thing like tcpshield, or using bungeeguard

[eternal oxide]

no

your servers shoudl be behind your proxy with no direct path

[wraith delta]

Ok then what would you do to prevent that?

[chrome beacon]

Firewalls exist

or you just have everything on the same machine and don't expose the servers in the first place

[wraith delta]

You aren’t understanding. You can use bungeecord and join the bungeecord ip, that lets you join a subserver

[eternal oxide]

Your servers shoudl only be accessible vcia your proxy. ie all on localhost ports

[wraith delta]

I’m using 0.0.0.0 ip on my subserver

[eternal oxide]

thats wrong

0.0.0.0 is bind to all

[chrome beacon]

What exactly aren't we understanding

[eternal oxide]

127.0.0.1 is localhost

[wraith delta]

My bad I am using that

[eternal oxide]

then its impossible to directly connect to any of yoru subservers

[wraith delta]

Bungeeguard got a data breach leaking servers tokens, this allowed someone to do it to my server

[eternal oxide]

impossible. localhost is not externally routed

it is physically impossible to connect to a localhost without going through a proxy

[chrome beacon]

Bungeeguard did have an exploit that has been fixed

but if you only let localhost through that wouldn't be a problem

[wraith delta]

which setting is wrong?

[eternal oxide]

?paste your proxy config

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[wraith delta]

yes, thats how they got through. i didnt see the patch until a day ago

[eternal oxide]

config is fine

so you have an expoit elsewhere (bungeeguard?)

[wraith delta]

servers use bungeeguard to prevent this hack

but they had a data breach leaking everyones tokens

[chrome beacon]

Not a data breach really

It was just leaking tokens

[wraith delta]

well whatever it is it worked for hackers lol

[chrome beacon]

you should prevent your backend servers from being exposed to the internet

There is no need for them to be

[wraith delta]

how so? i have it on that ip in my bungee config you see

[chrome beacon]

Get all traffic through the proxy

[azure zealot]

by using a firewall

[chrome beacon]

^^

[wraith delta]

i am

[chrome beacon]

It's not setup correctly

[eternal oxide]

get new tokens for bungeeguard

[chrome beacon]

if people can connect without the proxy

[azure zealot]

if someone can join on the backend , your firewall is somehow not correctly configured

[eternal oxide]

your bungee config is fine, but are your server setyups?

they also have to bind to 127

[wraith delta]

so this is where its incorrect?

[azure zealot]

put 127.0.0.1 their

[lilac dagger]

or localhost

[azure zealot]

if you proxy is on the same server as your bungee

[lilac dagger]

easier to memorize

[eternal oxide]

else it binds to default

[wraith delta]

ok ill give it a try next restart. but anyways, still thinking of a plugin to put on the subserver that would prevent someones name using your uuid

[eternal oxide]

its really not needed

[azure zealot]

you can do that but if your server is bound on localhost is 100% fixed

[wraith delta]

good to have in case, cuz for example I had bungeeguard working for 10 years but all of a sudden it had this exploit

[eternal oxide]

thats because your backend servers are binding to all available ips

[azure zealot]

thats why in the first place you should never expose the backends to public

[mortal hare]

this is unsafe unless you use VPN with database even in that case thats sketchy

[wraith delta]

with the current setup im not able to add the ip+port to my minecraft list, because i didnt input any ip in the properties

so yes it is already localhost

right now you need bungee to join it, so thats how the hackers do it... they just launch their own bungee and put your backend ip in their config - exactly how we setup our own bungee

[eternal oxide]

thats impossible

127.0.0.1 is not routable. Its impossible to add that as an IP

[chrome beacon]

If the firewall is configured and the server is only bound to localhost

The only way they could setup their own bungeecord would be to do it on your machine

and then expose that

in which case you already have a way worse situation at hand

[eternal oxide]

yoru servers have no IP and I'm sure that is the same as 0.0.0.0 so bind to all available IPs

they will listen to anything on the correct port

specify 127.0.0.1 or localhost an ONLY your bungee will be able to passthrough

[wraith delta]

well all i know is i am not able to add my bungee ip+subserver port to my minecraft server list, and yes they are on the same host, someone managed to still join the backend

[mortal vortex]

thats so stupid, in that case they wouldnt need their own bungee, they would just direct connect using the ip and port lol

Your understanding of the whole point of a proxy is completely backwards

[wraith delta]

ik, minecraft needs to design a different proxy auth

[mortal vortex]

uhh no, im saying ur point is stupid

im saying thats not factual

the whole premise of a proxy is to have a single entrypoint, with no way around it, to facilitate a connection.

[eternal oxide]

correct you can not add a subserver on teh main IP as you shoudl never have a dirrect connection to a server.

[mortal vortex]

No one outside of the closed system should be able to even maintain a connection to your subservers, let alone create their own bungee???

[eternal oxide]

if you could your servers are directly accessible and vulnerable, as you have found

[wraith delta]

right, i tried to add it and it didnt let me connect to my backend server by using the public ip and its port. so that is setup right

[chrome beacon]

What happened when you did

[eternal oxide]

just bind to the correct localhost and you will not have issues

[mortal vortex]

i dont think bungeecord, or any proxy software for that matter, would get so far, if it had such a blatant vulnerability.

[young knoll]

But

I wanna add hypixels backend servers to my proxy :c

[eternal oxide]

I'm sure if you pay a few million they will let you

[young knoll]

I'll just ask @worldly ingot for a backdoor

We're besties so he'll do it

[wraith delta]

unless bungeeguard is preventing the backend server from showing up on the server list. seems like it already is localhost when not assigning it a ip

[thorn isle]

just use velocity and velocity forwarding and don't worry about it

[eternal oxide]

its not localhost if you did not specify an ip

no IP = bind to all available interfaces

including localhost

[wraith delta]

Starting Minecraft server on *:25565 it says that when i start it

[eternal oxide]

yes

* = all

[wraith delta]

ok will try to change it

thats strange tho since it wont let me add my backend server to the minecraft server list tho

[eternal oxide]

that would be bungeeguard

[chrome beacon]

Bungeeguard still lets you add it to the server list

[eternal oxide]

it does?

[chrome beacon]

You just won't be able to connect iirc

[eternal oxide]

I've never used bungeeguard so do not know

[chrome beacon]

I guess it could be blocking the ping as well

[wraith delta]

it wont let me ping it, ye

[chrome beacon]

You can remove Bungeeguard and make sure it won't let you ping without it

and then add it back

[eternal oxide]

however, just fix your backend server bindings to localhost and your issue is done

[wraith delta]

but as you see, just never know.. therefor to be safe I figured id ask a smart way to make sure even if someone did manage to spoof your uuid to their name that they couldnt become you. i figure just use a command to link your real name to your real uuid then if anyone elses name uses that uuid it kicks

[thorn isle]

raaaah velocity

[chrome beacon]

That fix won't help

[thorn isle]

existing problem, existing solution

[chrome beacon]

Velocity just has Bungeeguard like solution builtin

[thorn isle]

it does, but it's implemented more reliably

you're still "supposed" to put the backend behind a firewall/tunnel so it's not exposed to the internet at all, but that's tinfoil-hattery; just the velocity key is sufficient

if you can and know how to set up a firewall or a private network by all means do so but it's not strictly necessary

[wraith delta]

feel like bungeecord should come with that feature like velocity does. silly it would ever be a possibility for someone to do this exploit. and thats something that has gone on for a decade. and sure i can go into detail setting up the proxy to use localhost, but im sure the majority dont.

[mortal vortex]

🤦‍♂️ its not an exploit man

[wraith delta]

alright well, you know what i mean. a capability

[eternal oxide]

Its literally in the instalation guide for bungee

Most don;t seem to read the post instal section though

[wraith delta]

thats if its on the same machine. 🤷‍♀️ oh well. thanks. i input localhost as the ip in the properties

[drifting halo]

you can use any ip big brain

[wraith delta]

which is extremely common since for example a minecraft host would require you to use a public ip for each

[thorn isle]

securing bungee on shared hosting is ass

[drifting halo]

If you're dealing with shared hosts, yeah that will suck

[eternal oxide]

yeah needs a firewall to be secure really

[drifting halo]

depends how their network is handled though. If they're on the same subnet adding the ip will work, if not you're gonna have to ask their support or get a dedi

[wraith delta]

suppose im glad im not using shared. but uhh, yikes its scary this is such a feature you can do backend joining anyones server thats on a minecraft host

[drifting halo]

Anyone can enter your home if you leave the door open

[thorn isle]

i will enter your home even if you lock it

[drifting halo]

Idk what the original conversation was. But if it's about the players being able to join directly to the server thats because it's just a proxy forwarding all the packets to other servers. So the end server has no way to distinguish between what is a forwarded packet and what isn't

thats why online mode has to be disabled too, otherwise auth will fail since the source and destination ip's don't match

The ideal setup is that you only whitelist your proxy server and block all other traffic

Either with a software or with a hardware firewall

[lost skiff]

Hello there, is there a way to add end dimension sky and effects to overworld in mc 1.21 ?

[lilac dagger]

i think it's bound to world type

[sly topaz]

you can send a respawn packet with a different dimension type and it'll work

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/change-dimension-of-the-sky.661648/

people have said that you can also change it with a custom biome but I doubt anyone wants to deal with that

[lilac dagger]

oh wow, it's this easy

[young knoll]

Idk if the biome can replicate the fancy end sky

It just changes the colour

[slender elbow]

biome and dimension type

the bane of my existence

[young knoll]

Oh?

[sly valley]

Anyone know how to remove the permission of writing in the chat i using EssentialsXChat & LuckPerm

[slender elbow]

i don't think essxchat has a permission for chatting altogether

you'd need to ask essentials support

[sly valley]

do you have any other chat plugins ?

[young knoll]

There’s essentials.chat.local for local chat

But idk if that applies if you don’t have local chat configured

[slender elbow]

i mean, you can also just mute them, lol

[sly valley]

I want at the first connection they cant talk need to do the little intro receive rank and then talk

[shut field]

Why does "world#locateNearestStructure" (with unexplored tag false) not always return the nearest structure? I am using Structure.FORTRESS, and I am plugging in my location to the location of the fortress (the locations that locateNearestStructure returns) into these distance squared:
Dist A: 619139.8055829474 | Dist B: 1522.0620079845075
but for some reason it returns location A

[worthy yarrow]

I’ve messed with that bit of api before and was never able to get solid results

[shut field]

Is there any easier way to actually find the closest nether fortress to the player?

[worthy yarrow]

Not without your own searching algo I don’t think, it’s sorta like the conversations API… it works but just barley

[young knoll]

Seems weird it would return one that far away

Unless the unexplored flag is broken

[dawn flower]

is it possible to fix the "mace damage hack"

through listeners

[shut field]

I have the code doing distance Integer.MAX_INT, but also explored flag set to false

I thought it would just do like, "explore the entire nether, and return the closest fortress to the player, regardless of whether it has been explored or not yet"

[young knoll]

It believe it starts at the location provided and does a spiral search

And just returns the first valid one it finds

[chrome beacon]

It should work the same as the locate command

stash shows it just calling a nms method to find it

[shadow rover]

Hi, I'm trying to make some generation world using terrain control into making only one biome on the world map. Is there somebody who knows the plugin ?

[young knoll]

Yeah

And I’m fairly sure that’s how NMS does it

[young knoll]

TerrainControl is pretty old, OpenTerrainGenerator is the more updated version

However if you just want a single vanilla biome you can use the api

Assuming you are in a somewhat recent version

[shut field]

the locate command also returns the far one which shows "797 blocks away" and then I move one block closer to the close fortress and it jumps to "19 blocks away"

[shadow rover]

It's not the case, it's why I use this plugin :/

I'm in 1.8

[young knoll]

Doesn’t vanilla have single biome worlds

[chrome beacon]

It does

[young knoll]

Granted idk if that existed in 1.8

[shadow rover]

But is there cases to do it in 1.8 ?

[shadow rover]

Oh my bad

[shadow rover]

Ok thanks

[buoyant viper]

typical Mojank

[slender elbow]

idk, that sounds like some seed changing stuff or having the closest structure being generated in an old version

[pure dagger]

@EventHandler
    public void onNPCRightClick(NPCRightClickEvent event ){
        if (event.getNPC() == null || !event.getNPC().hasTrait(BlacksmithTrait.class)) return;
        //doSomething
    }


// Create an NPC
        NPCRegistry registry = CitizensAPI.getNPCRegistry();
        NPC npc = registry.createNPC(EntityType.PLAYER, "Steve");
        npc.addTrait(BlacksmithTrait.class);
        npc.spawn(new Location(Bukkit.getWorld("world"), 100, 80, 100,90,90));

does anyone know why it doesnt work ?

like what even is that

[19:09:45] [Craft Scheduler Thread - 2/ERROR]: Got an error with a html body connecting to https://api.minecraftservices.com/minecraft/profile/lookup/bulk/byname: <html>
<head><title>403 Forbidden</title></head>
<body>
<center><h1>403 Forbidden</h1></center>
<hr><center>Microsoft-Azure-Application-Gateway/v2</center>
</body>
</html>

i dont understand anything

[chrome beacon]

profile api likes to fail at times

can't say I've ever had it do that to me personally but I've seen a bunch of reports of 403s

[pure dagger]

what exacly does that mean ??

[chrome beacon]

403 means forbidden

in this case it just didn't want to process your request

The api call that was ran was the server looking up the uuid, skin information etc

from the name

[pure dagger]

[Citizens] Cannot register a null trait. Was it registered properly?

[chrome beacon]

as far as I know there's not much you can do about it

[chrome beacon]

yeah that's something else

[pure dagger]

why is it nul

i passed the class

[chrome beacon]

Was it registered properly?

[pure dagger]

oh.. how do you do that

[chrome beacon]

https://wiki.citizensnpcs.co/API

[rough bronze]

Hello, I need help. I have already asked LuckPerms support but they couldn't help me either because I have set everything up correctly. Unfortunately, the ranks are not displayed correctly in the TAP list and they said I have to change something, but I have no idea about it. Can someone please help me.

[chrome beacon]

You mean the tablist

sounds like a question for #help-server

[pure dagger]

that was NOT something else

that was the problem

now it works

[chrome beacon]

the trait became null because of the failed api request?

odd

[trim lake]

Hi, its possible to show ∞ while effect applied? I got this:

player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.SPEED, Integer.MAX_VALUE,0,true, true, true ));

But it still showing duration. I know thats basically infinite, but its small detail for me if its possible to show the infinite symbol.

[chrome beacon]

Use the infinite constant instead of max value

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/potion/PotionEffect.html#INFINITE_DURATION

[trim lake]

Im blind lol, didnt notice that. thanks!

[pure dagger]

idk, i registered the class in onEnable and it works now

i mean

event.getNPC().hasTrait(BlacksmithTrait.class)

this was the problem

i guess

not registered BlacksmithTrait

[chrome beacon]

so it wasn't the api request issue

?

[pure dagger]

i dont really know..

what happened there

[chrome beacon]

oh well

it works

[mellow edge]

Hello, let me ask this directly, is there a way to setAcceleration to a fireball through the API in pre-1.21 era?

[chrome beacon]

setDirection

might work 🤷‍♂️

[worldly ingot]

Yeah I think it was direction before. Fireballs fucking suck

[pure dagger]

uhm.. okay but when i realodad, it says it couldnt load the "trait" for npc id: somenumber, and i get this message agsin. when i spawn new npcs it works, after reload not

[chrome beacon]

are you registering it in on enable

and is your plugin set to depend on citizens

[pure dagger]

yes yes

[chrome beacon]

hm not sure what would cause that

does it happen during a restart?

or just when you reload

[pure dagger]

i can check

[mellow edge]

Thanks to you both. So if I set the direction to a normalized vector multiplied by some scalar it will apply the direction and acceleration, acting as the fireball motion mover XYZ?

[pure dagger]

it doenst work on stop

[mellow edge]

But I do remember that setDirection used to use gaussian algorithm which made the thing unpredictable, I think that changed using the setDirection?

[grand flint]

Hey, if I am using SignedVelocity and on the backend I got a plugin listener on AsyncPlayerChatEvent, is that why SignedVelocity cannot cancel the message?

[harsh ruin]

Do you know of a technique that involves creating a vehicle with realistic movement, a real rotation of the vehicle and not just eye tracking, like the vehicle's mod?
The boat on land seems like a good solution, but it's too slow, and I don't see how to make it faster, or is there a plugin that exists?

[thorn isle]

listen to the vehicle control packets/user input for key presses of A and D and make the vehicle behave accordingly

if it's a car just pressing the buttons won't make it rotate, you also need to move backward or forward

if it's a tank with tracks or some shit then it might rotate in place

[harsh ruin]

This is not exactly my question, I am looking for a way to create an alternative to the center of gravity of an object, here a vehicle to be able to create a realistic rotate system

[thorn isle]

intersect the vehicle mesh with the terrain and apply force vectors perpendicular to the intersecting terrain geometry at the positions of intersection, then convert those forces to a rotation around the center of mass

[harsh ruin]

easier said than done unfortunately 🥺

[thorn isle]

is there a particular part of it that you're having trouble with

[harsh ruin]

to code all this in general, yes, the management of vectors, and the velocity can easily cause rollbacks and visual bugs

[earnest girder]

I need to make mob spawners work regardless of light level. Is there any way to do this?

[harsh ruin]

otherwise, I like the movements of the boats, like increasing their speed on the ground

[grand flint]

why not use modelengine

it had a mount controller

[thorn isle]

i don't remember if it has rigid body physics

[torn shuttle]

great

my computer just tried to melt down to a puddle

ran so hot it bricked itself

[buoyant viper]

Hmm

[harsh ruin]

To create a realistic rotating système ?

[random compass]

Hey there
Ive been working on setting up a server, and i want my alt to be able to join and leave without messages, as well as vanish on join. however, another mystery plugin seems to be overriding my essentials permissions for this, and my custom plugin for this.

My question is, is there some kind of debug i can run that is deeper than essentials debug mode and server logs so that i can see what is sending join and leave messages when i have silent join and leave permimssions, or is there a way to override whatever is sending them and cancel the messages anyway.

Cheers

Its a massive plugin list so i cant really remove them all and test them 1 by 1

[mortal vortex]

Since you asked about overriding, you would just need to set your own EventHandler to have ther highest priority, do what you need, or nothing, and then cancel the event.

[random compass]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[mortal vortex]

Your question seems #help-server related, so I'm trying to see how it might fit here, in the case that it was intentional.

[echo basalt]

There's a really cursed way to debug it

[random compass]

development of a plugin to override?

[echo basalt]

and a couple less cursed ways

[random compass]

i tried this but it didnt work
https://paste.md-5.net/qavucanuje.java

[mortal vortex]

This is #help-development So I imagined thats what u were asking

because u didnt explicitly state anything development wise.

[random compass]

mb

[mortal vortex]

lol not really either.

[random compass]

im interested

[mortal vortex]

You could do this from an admin perspective, and not a development perspective.

A plugin like "invsee" wouldnt do it.

[echo basalt]

Cursed way #1: instrumentation

[random compass]

im interested in anything that helps

[echo basalt]

Use something like Bytebuddy to make an interceptor that detects setWhatever calls on that given event class

drawbacks: it's incredibly cursed

Cursed way #2: extend the pluginManager, override callEvent, do your filtering and call a modified version of the event

pros: it's less hacky than instrumentation
cons: not by much and it's more convoluted to write

Cursed way #3: Create that same modified version of the event, but call it yourself, assume plugins will handle it
pros: less jank
cons: you might need to use fake players otherwise a lot can break

[mortal vortex]

Rule out what could not be possibly doing it.

Then, copy the join message, and try to do a grep search for your plugins folder, in the hopes the join message is a message.yml string literal. For example, an unknown plugin might send:

Howdy <player> welcome to...

Just do a grep search for :

grep -rP --include="*.yml" "Howdy\s+.+?\s+welcome to\.\.\." .

This is like the easiest method.

If a plugin is giving you a join message, that plugin probably has a config

This is lowkey how I've debugged any case where an unknown plugin is doing something.

[random compass]

it gives me my rank prefix, followed by the default "player" left the game

its not a unique join or leave message

[mortal vortex]

Stilllll

might be configurable??

[random compass]

i cant do a grep search, its on a server panel and i dont have access to command line 😦

[mortal vortex]

awwyy

fucky wucky

do whatever illusion said

[random compass]

i was kind of hoping there was something i could do to see whats interacting with playerjoinevent

but thats probably not possible

[mortal vortex]

Well this would do that

"that given class" would be the event

[echo basalt]

You can print out the handlerlist and manually check out the code

doing it with bytebuddy gives you fine control (ie run this method every time setWhatever is called)

You can then print out the stacktrace to figure out what plugin did it

You will have to fight with classloaders tho

[random compass]

thx for help guys, i just translated and installed a random polish plugin and that seemed to override whatever was happening lol

[unique shuttle]

How can I get the value and the discount? I basically need the 9 and the 3

I assume the value comes from checking the item's amount, but how do I get the discount?

[mortal vortex]

There is a TradeOffer class?

I think?

[unique shuttle]

I was testing this

I can't find a class called TradeOffer

[echo basalt]

yeah these discounts are tied to the player not the villager?

[mortal vortex]

There is MerchantRecipe, but it doesnt take an instance to a player meaning you cant get the per player discount

[unique shuttle]

I'm not sure. I only cured the villager

[eternal oxide]

get the Merchant/MerchantRecipe from the view

[unique shuttle]

villager.getRecipe(0) already returns the MerchantRecipe

[eternal oxide]

you have to check the merchant is trading

if he is you can call getSpecialPrice()

[unique shuttle]

nope

[eternal oxide]

thats the discount

9 - 6 = 3

[unique shuttle]

💀

[vast ledge]

what? No?

9-6 != 3

[unique shuttle]

What happened to my brain

[echo basalt]

huh?

[vast ledge]

isnt it -3?

[echo basalt]

no

[vast ledge]

bruh i don't know how to read

[echo basalt]

6 - 9 = -3

9 - 6 = 3

the fuck

[unique shuttle]

xDDD

[vast ledge]

Yes it's the fuck that specific one, I agree

[unique shuttle]

Do you know if there’s any way to get this discount without trading, or how to get the data that leads to giving that discount to the player? It’s to replicate the villager a long time later

[unique shuttle]

Do you have the excuse that you haven’t slept yet? xD

[vast ledge]

I am the excuse

[unique shuttle]

lmao

[eternal oxide]

no you can't

you have to be in a trade

[unique shuttle]

I guess I can try to replicate this (fabric mapping)

If it gives you a discount, it must be based on something

[vast ledge]

There's a function for making a villager shake his head?????

[unique shuttle]

yes

[vast ledge]

I need this for real life

[unique shuttle]

xD

I guess I'll have to use NMS to assign this to the villager

[mortal vortex]

what?

ohh old mesg

[unique shuttle]

The order of the factors does not affect the product

[mint nova]

How i can create ItemDisplay for specific Player? (With ProtocolLib cuz idk)

[chrome beacon]

you don't need to use protocollib

Use https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/entity/Entity.html#setVisibleByDefault(boolean)

[mint nova]

Thanks

[drowsy helm]

me and my homies dont like protocol lib

[lilac dagger]

how to trigger left click in player interact event while spectating?
it seems in newer versions this isn't triggered

[smoky anchor]

?xy ?

[undone axle]

https://xyproblem.info/

[lilac dagger]

okay, is there some other way to simulate a left click?

while spectating?

playerinteract event works while facing a block

[thorn isle]

huh?

[smoky anchor]

"simulate left click"
Do you mean force player to spectate something ?
I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish by "simulating left click"
Or even what it means

[lilac dagger]

actually let me repharse it

if you are in GameMode SPECTATE and right click a player you are seeing through his eyes, what i want is on left click to open a spectator menu of my own

in older versions player interact event just worked

but now it doesn't trigger

[smoky anchor]

investigate if a packet is ever sent I guess
if it's not then you're out of luck for newer versions ?

Could also just be spigot bug if the packet is sent

[thorn isle]

i could see the client just not sending an interact packet when spectating

[lilac dagger]

alright, i found the swing packet, let's see

the packet works

thanks guys

[mellow edge]

actually this is interesting, I had a similar issue

on an older version even

[sly topaz]

there's an event for that, the PlayerAnimationEvent

[lilac dagger]

there is?

even better

i thought playerswing is tied to playerinteractevent

[sly topaz]

interact is fired whenever a player swing packet is sent usually, yeah

there are other scenarios were the interact event is sent and whatever you're doing might be triggering a false negative

[mellow edge]

so what is the difference between the events?

[sly topaz]

the player interact event covers more interaction cases than the swing one

and you can't get the interacted element on the animation event, you'd have to raytrace

[lilac dagger]

yay

it works

[wet breach]

does arm swing only count for stuff like mining and the sorts? or does it trigger when they walk too 🤔

[slender elbow]

huh

the arm doesn't swing when justw alkign

[sly topaz]

it triggers whenever the arm swing animation happens, that's pretty much on every interaction except maybe when you're looking at air with an item

[slender elbow]

do you mean tge view bobbing?

[mellow edge]

does the event trigger alongside the interact event?

[sly topaz]

yes, for the most part

[wet breach]

depends what you define as swinging

but the arms move when players walk/run

[slender elbow]

the big swing

view bobbing is purely client sided screen effect

[mellow edge]

^^

[slender elbow]

can be disabled even

[wet breach]

weird to call it view bobbing?

[slender elbow]

that's what Minecraft calls it

[sly topaz]

are you referring to the 3rd person arm swinging? As in when you see a player walk and their arms swing? Because that's also purely client-sided as far as players go

[slender elbow]

because the whole view bobs

[wet breach]

ok....doesn't bob when you have others looking

[slender elbow]

i have no idea what you're talking about then

[wet breach]

obviously the arms swinging

you can see players arms swing whether it be your own or others?

[slender elbow]

the 3rd person swinging of both arms?

[sly topaz]

yeah, that's just the walking animation, doesn't count as arm swinging

[slender elbow]

the server is unaware of that

[wet breach]

still weird to call it view bobbing, animation is more appropriate lol

[slender elbow]

view bobbing is the first person.. bobbing

the arm slightly moves back and forth

[sly topaz]

these are two different things, view bobbing is the mild screen shake when you walk in 1st person and the 3rd person walking animation is just well, the walking animation

[wet breach]

well you don't have to be in 3rd person, since you can observe other players have the animation. Anyways, you answered the question though

was just curious as to what counted as swinging lol

[slender elbow]

3rd person with respect to others

not necessarily 3rd person camera view

[wet breach]

obviously

[slender elbow]

for yourself yes it does require the 3rd person camera view

[wet breach]

not like you are going to be in 2nd person view

[slender elbow]

it's still 3rd person regardless

[sly topaz]

why not

I am going to play the game as if I am hearing it from the background

[slender elbow]

there are two games that I know of that feature 2nd person viewpoints

very cool

[wet breach]

lol

[sly topaz]

it is actually the hand that shakes, not the screen

I haven't had this feature enabled in forever so I forgot

[wet breach]

I hate bobbing effects so I generally disable such things in all my games

[sly topaz]

yeah, bobbing effects and blurred FOVs are my enemy

don't know how people can play like that

[wet breach]

ah, motion blur, hate that too especially when you need to pay attention to whats going on

nothing like, everything getting blurry and then suddenly dying to something on the ground because your vision was blurred unnecessarily XD

[sly topaz]

the Outlast experience

[mortal hare]

why do i feel like java beans are kinda awful concept

getter and setter for everything is abuse of oop

its basically separates logic from the data and smells like more procedural approach

sure it works but yuck

enterprise java is a mess

[solid zealot]

Hello. Is anyone else experiencing 403 error issues connecting to the Minecraft Login API? 403 Forbidden Microsoft-Azure-Application-Gateway/v2

[wet breach]

it is just a standard to promote modularity and code resuability

not all standards are equal, but at minimum there must be a standard though

[mortal hare]

you know what promotes modularity and code reusability?

procedural programming

[wet breach]

not necessarily and not exactly its primary purpose

[mortal hare]

enterprise java is something straight out of the horror movie

it barely resembles anything that modern java introduced since java 8

its like stuck in 2000s

[wet breach]

not sure what you mean

EE builds upon SE

which means everything in SE is present in EE, just EE has more to it that is tailored to enterprise level stuff like web servers or distributed systems

[slender elbow]

maybe it's because it is

[mortal hare]

JavaBeans spec doesnt even comply with records

[slender elbow]

and it doesn't have to

[wet breach]

not sure what records has to do with anything

[mortal hare]

i just hate javabeans as a concept

[wet breach]

then don't use it?

[mortal hare]

im forced to

[wet breach]

for work or something?

or school?

[mortal hare]

yes

[wet breach]

not sure what you expected when taking a job as a java developer

[mortal hare]

🥲

[slender elbow]

if you wanna play with all the fancy new features modern java enterprise has to offer, go to a startup until it goes bankrupt the following year

[wet breach]

and then go to a new one

and so forth

until you get lucky and find one that sticks around 🙂

and then when you are in one of the top corporate spot because you were one of the few to stick around, you can then be responsible for forcing old standards on everyone else 😉

and the cycle will repeat itself just with someone else

[graceful patrol]

hello, sorry for the response after 5 days 😭, I tried to get the server and send data to it, still didnt receive it

[ivory sleet]

i mean at core oop wasnt about objects, classes, encapsulation and yada yada all of that- it was about sending messages between objects

initially at least

and i dont think setters + getters is abuse- or I mean enlighten me why itd be that way :>

[mortal hare]

because you essentially separate data from behaviour

[slender elbow]

"i just don't like them, it constrains my design ideals" ahh moment

[mortal hare]

at this point just use structs from c

[graceful patrol]

for some brave soul, this is the bungee side, sending the message, you could try to figure it out and stop my suffering 💀

        ByteArrayDataOutput out = ByteStreams.newDataOutput();

        out.writeUTF("VANISH");
        out.writeUTF(vanish ? "on" : "off");
        out.writeUTF(player.getName());

        System.out.println("vanish message - " + player.getName());

        player.getServer().sendData("staff:vanish", out.toByteArray());
    }```
^ this actually does send, but the paper does NOT receive it:
```@Override
    public void onPluginMessageReceived(String channel, Player player, byte[] message) {
        //if (!channel.equals("aa:main")) return;

        plugin.getLogger().log(Level.FINE, "fired onPluginMessageReceived event");

        try (ByteArrayInputStream byteIn = new ByteArrayInputStream(message);
             DataInputStream in = new DataInputStream(byteIn)) {

            String subChannel = in.readUTF();
            if (subChannel.equals("VANISH")) {
                String action = in.readUTF();
                String targetName = in.readUTF();

                Player target = Bukkit.getPlayerExact(targetName);
                if (target != null) {
                    boolean vanish = action.equalsIgnoreCase("on");
                    for (Player p : Bukkit.getOnlinePlayers()) {
                        if (vanish) {
                            p.hidePlayer(plugin, target);
                        } else {
                            p.showPlayer(plugin, target);
                        }
                    }
                }
            }

        } catch (IOException e) {
            e.printStackTrace();
        }
    }```

[ivory sleet]

yea but object oriented code doesnt really deal with separation of data and behavior

principally that is

[mortal hare]

lso you basically cant encapsulate private behaviour within java beans classes because internals are being exposed to the public via getters

[wet breach]

I don't see how this is true

[mortal hare]

theoretically yeah, but in traditional sense encapsulation is one of the principles of traditional oop

[ivory sleet]

i mean yea assuming you're forced to only orient urself with the canonical pattern of a jbean

[slender elbow]

and how/where are you registering the channels

[ivory sleet]

but thats rarely the case id argue for

even at larger corps

[wet breach]

you are confusing data hiding with encapsulation

[mortal hare]

well you use getters and setters to manipulate the data on the container which makes it anemic in a sense that now your classes only define data and not behaviour just like normal classes do

you can use fields but at that point public getters exposing internal just defeats the whole purpose of instance methods to begin with

[graceful patrol]

Spigot:

getServer().getMessenger().registerOutgoingPluginChannel(this, "staff:vanish");```
Bungee:
```getProxy().registerChannel("staff:vanish");```

[wet breach]

encapsulation involves combining data (attributes or properties) and the methods (functions) that operate on that data into a single unit

[slender elbow]

well uhhhh

the channel name is different

[mortal hare]

that's the thing, java beans classes like 99% time does the operations outside the class

[wet breach]

java bean follows OOP in the most strict sense of the definition

[mortal hare]

via the getters/setters

that makes it anemic in a way that breaks encapsulation of internals

[ivory sleet]

dont get me wrong, thats for java beans- where ur data objects are just classes with a set fields and a getter+setter per field; however those ideas and principles are not by any means homomorphic to object orientation as a paradigm

[graceful patrol]

so i should change "VANISH" to "staff:vanish" right? (im fairly new to messaging plugins from plugins, sorry 😭)

[ivory sleet]

i feel like you're blaming the paradigm due to one interpretation of the paradigm dovidas

[slender elbow]

no, the "mcwistaff:vanish"

[wet breach]

yeah this

[slender elbow]

to "staff:vanish"

[graceful patrol]

oh yeah mb, i misstyped it, doesnt work even with it changed to "staff:vanish"

[mortal hare]

its just feels wrong to manipulate data using behaviour from the outside class scope, at this point you can just have public fields and manipulate those fields altogether

for me it closely resembles programming to a struct

all jbeans classes do most of the time is just store data

[ivory sleet]

i mean u lose polymorphism and ability to utilize implementation inheritance (not that impl inheritance always is good but thats besides the point)

more so, your code is less defended, when you have a getter as a middle man you have a layer of protection at least

[mortal hare]

i feels it just a compromise for reflections api to parse those classes externally via libs like jakarta

a hack in some sort

[slender elbow]

code looks okay, when are you sending the plugin message to the server? when are you calling that method?

[wet breach]

you mean for the properties?

[graceful patrol]

on /vanish <-- doesnt fire
on ServerConnected event <-- doesnt fire

[wet breach]

because java has those built in and intended to be used. The way java beans uses them is not the only way they can be used.

[slender elbow]

the connected event is probably too early to send it, though i don't know when bungee exactly sends the registration to the server but it's late in the login process

command should work, proxy command, right?

[graceful patrol]

yes, proxy command, does not fire either way, but does send a message that the player vanished

[mortal hare]

ik wording is a bit lame from me what i wanted to say that to parse jbeans by utilizing reflections api you need some kind of convention of how the data should be manipulated and declaring getters/setters and no args constructor is the easiest to impl

jbeans is just a convention to manipulate data from the outside of classes scope in a sense. i just dont like it that now the responsibility of data behaviour is on some kind of reflections layer and not explicitly declared inside class. DX and quickness to implement over proper syntax for frameworks wins

[graceful patrol]

i guess i can do it with redis and not with "messanger"?

[wet breach]

the earliest is right after login

this would be when the brand channel is established in the plugin channels

specifically the server sends it right after this packet is sent

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol/Packets#Login_(play)

client does the same thing

[slender elbow]

the protocol allows it anytime during play yeah

that is, technically a payload for any channel can be sent, but the server has that funny channel registration logic, the proxy first needs to send the register payload, then you can send your payload on your channel

[wet breach]

reflection is not strictly necessary however java beans are designed so that tools and applications can interact with it dynamically at runtime and to be interacted by other applications from the outside etc. This means you wouldn't necessarily know anything about the Java bean at compile time, however there are times where you possibly could and therefore wouldn't need reflection in that sense.

[pure dagger]

@chrome beacon
someone responder this, but they havent responded now and i need to know
do you know what this could mean? (i tried today and it still says the same thing)

[sly topaz]

what are you trying to do

[pure dagger]

Oh. Im just adding a trait to an npc but it says it couldnt be loaded at startup

[sly topaz]

what trait, and what's the error exactly

[pure dagger]

My own

[sly topaz]

send both the error and the trait code here if you can

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[pure dagger]

ye

https://paste.md-5.net/jazibezimo.xml

[sly topaz]

ah, you triggered one of their WAF rules

not much you can do about that except contact mojang support and ask them to unblock you

it might only be for a few days if you're lucky

[pure dagger]

what did i do lol

...

what could i do ??

[sly topaz]

contact mojang support and ask them to unblock your IP

[pure dagger]

but what could i do, where are the rules

[buoyant viper]

contact Mojang support, and possibly build a caching system in the event ur sending the same request multiple times

[sly topaz]

they aren't public, you just happened to trigger one of them by testing your plugin too many times probably}

if anything, Citizens's docs could probably warn people about that, I don't know

[pure dagger]

i just spawned like 22 npcs

[sly topaz]

with the same name/skin or all different?

also, all at the same time?

[pure dagger]

same

no, i realoaded a bunch of times and spawned them 1 by 1 to test

[sly topaz]

yeah, that must be it

[pure dagger]

whyyyy

[rotund ravine]

Don’t reload

Restart if needed

[sly topaz]

it's weird though, if it was the same name then it should be hitting the gameprofile cache

[pure dagger]

it was steve, then i spawned 2 with different names

repeatedly

i mean like a 3 times

yeah i forgot

but its 3

[echo basalt]

mm I love reworking my menu lib a billion times

task for today was to reinvent pagination to allow for partial shifts

[sly topaz]

the one where you reimplemented NMS?

[echo basalt]

yeah

apparently we have a fancy ass menu that paginates

BUT the pagination is partial and works in weird conditions

and some elements start offset to others

how did I fuck this up

[pure dagger]

does this use texture pack ?

[echo basalt]

ofc

[echo basalt]

Yeah fts I'm changing pagination to effectively work in all directions

Basically making a 2d game engine atp

[slender elbow]

"we have 2d game engine at home"
2d game engine at home

[buoyant viper]

i got U

i got some fuck ass graphics library ive been workin on

https://github.com/winnpixie/glawt

but dont actually consider it.. sux lol

[slender elbow]

she do the glawt glawt

why am i like this

[buoyant viper]

😭😭😭

i originally called it awtogl (awt-to-gl "auto gl") but i was like that sucks

so then i called glawt ("glaut")

[slender elbow]

you know what else sucks

[buoyant viper]

the whole repo

[high pumice]

hey is anyone can help me for just create an npc with nms 1.21.1

[echo basalt]

I should make pokemon in this little tiny 9x6 screen

[buoyant viper]

True

if i ever find a server where i can play pokemon in my inventory and like

the grass block (not the dirt one with grass layer like the actual grass item) is just straight up the grass

[echo basalt]

fantasy rpg server with a gameboy color

[buoyant viper]

i might lose my shit from laughing so hard

idk why but that just seems so like Lol to me

[echo basalt]

I might make a demo if I actually get this to render items

I still need to make a title layer system

and the camera's clipping too soon fml

I mean nothing stops me from just rendering the entirety of pokemon with fonts why tf do I need this

[peak depot]

what is the event for interact with entity event since PlayerInteractAtEntityEvent seems to miss the getEntity part

[slender elbow]

getRightClicked

[peak depot]

thx

[warm mica]

Just use the citizens api

[molten hearth]

image: node:latest

stages:
  - deploy

services: []

deploy:
  stage: deploy
  only:
    - no-masters
  tags:
    - mcscans_runner
  before_script:
    - 'which ssh-agent || ( apt-get update -y && apt-get install openssh-client -y )'
    - mkdir -p ~/.ssh
    - echo "$ENCODED_SSH_KEY" | base64 -d > ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"
    - ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - ssh-keyscan -H $PROD_SERVER_IP >> ~/.ssh/known_hosts
  script:
    - echo "Deploying via SSH..."
    - rsync -avz --exclude=".git" ./ root@$PROD_SERVER_IP:/var/www/api/
  environment: production
``` do you guys have any idea why this pipeline would be stuck on `Checking pipeline status` in gitlab

[sly topaz]

is the mcscans_runner active

[molten hearth]

yeah it was running but I didn't see it pick up any jobs

[sly topaz]

can you show the gitlab runner list output

[molten hearth]

I can in like 1 hour sorry im getting food atm

[molten hearth]

root@ns3124261:~# sudo gitlab-runner list
Runtime platform                                    arch=amd64 os=linux pid=33696 revision=4e717029 version=18.0.3
Listing configured runners                          ConfigFile=/etc/gitlab-runner/config.toml
ns3124261                                           Executor=shell Token=REDACTED URL=https://0xacab.org```  my config atp is ```yml
# This file is a template, and might need editing before it works on your project.
# You can copy and paste this template into a new `.gitlab-ci.yml` file.
# You should not add this template to an existing `.gitlab-ci.yml` file by using the `include:` keyword.
#
# To contribute improvements to CI/CD templates, please follow the Development guide at:
# https://docs.gitlab.com/development/cicd/templates/
# This specific template is located at:
# https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/master/lib/gitlab/ci/templates/Nodejs.gitlab-ci.yml

# Official framework image. Look for the different tagged releases at:
# https://hub.docker.com/r/library/node/tags/
image: node:latest

# pls work?

stages:
  - deploy

deploy:
  stage: deploy
  before_script:
    - 'which ssh-agent || ( apt-get update -y && apt-get install openssh-client -y )'
    - mkdir -p ~/.ssh
    - echo "$ENCODED_SSH_KEY" | base64 -d > ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"
    - ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
    - ssh-keyscan -H $PROD_SERVER_IP >> ~/.ssh/known_hosts
  script:
    - echo "Deploying via SSH..."
    - rsync -avz --exclude=".git" ./ root@$PROD_SERVER_IP:/var/www/api/
  environment: production

and this is my runner configs

# cat /etc/gitlab-runner/config.toml
concurrent = 1
check_interval = 0
connection_max_age = "15m0s"
shutdown_timeout = 0

[session_server]
  session_timeout = 1800

[[runners]]
  name = "ns3124261"
  url = "https://0xacab.org"
  id = 1658
  token = "REDACTED"
  token_obtained_at = 2025-06-12T08:40:02Z
  token_expires_at = 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z
  executor = "shell"
  tags = ["mcscans_runner"]
  [runners.cache]
    MaxUploadedArchiveSize = 0
    [runners.cache.s3]
    [runners.cache.gcs]
    [runners.cache.azure]```

[sly topaz]

the mcscans runner has the shell executor

[molten hearth]

yeah

is it not supposed to

i only put shell commands in the yml file so idk