help-development

[silent slate]

yeah, but a simple test doing teams, its not working

if i create ".Owner" and "Admin" the owner group sits below admin

[chrome beacon]

Try not using .

Use 0

[silent slate]

wait imma try

yeah still

[slender elbow]

have you tried Player#setPlayerListOrder(int)

[silent slate]

what, that exists?

[chrome beacon]

yeah

[silent slate]

hail nah

ive not known that

[chrome beacon]

TIL

[slow charm]

How do I put in an anti-xray?

[chrome beacon]

Sounds like a question for #help-server

[silent slate]

did setPlayerListOrder get added in 1.21.5? its not available for me in code

yeah prob

[slender elbow]

1.21.2

you can't seriously be writing code and running specifically 1.21, lol

[worthy yarrow]

You can check stash to see mc’s impl for perlin I forgot what it’s under tho

[silent slate]

just havent updated yet

[obtuse roost]

im using the bukkit perlin noise generator

[sly topaz]

tbf minor versions mean nothing for MC now with feature drops lol, may as well just change it to calver

[slender elbow]

wdym

[sly topaz]

that there's enough changes/additions on each minor release now that it's more justifiable to not be running the latest minor version, though I'd still hope people upgrade sooner or later

[worthy yarrow]

Thats what I meant, sorry, not mc

[slender elbow]

oh for sure

[obtuse roost]

ok

[desert aspen]

i lost my java project, and i only have the jar of the project, how could i recover it using that

[weak wasp]

Search for a Java decompiler. Add spigot API to the decompiler. Decompile your plugin.

No piracy please.

And in future you might want to compile your plugin with source code included, that way you will just have your source in the jar and won't need to decompile...

[kind hatch]

Or upload it to GitHub or GitLab for backups

[weak wasp]

That too

I've had to decompile my plugins so many times. I have source on GitHub now, but it's v2.1 and that plugin on Spigot is v2.2. Going to have to decompile again if I ever plan on updating it.

[desert aspen]

what decompiler do u recommend

[weak wasp]

I honestly don't remember which decompilers I've used in the past.
This one should do the trick though
https://java-decompiler.github.io/

[desert aspen]

alr

thaniks

i was finishing my plugin so i was scared asf

[weak wasp]

Scared you lost your code?

[desert aspen]

scared to start again

[clever zephyr]

How large is your codebase (one you're scared to lose)

[desert aspen]

250 classes

[weak wasp]

Not everything decompiles perfect but it gets the job done

[clever zephyr]

is it a minigame or smth ?

just upload it on github as a private repo

[desert aspen]

its a survival that every day it gets harder

i made every difficult change on a separate class

[desert aspen]

ye i see

[desert aspen]

ill do it now

[weak wasp]

For example Int.Maxvalue translates to literally 2147483647

[clever zephyr]

Oh, 250 is a bit ugh, over engineering ?

I mean , difficulty changes should be based on POJOs

you can make a system where DifficultyAdapter is a simple object with constructor values, these values determine the difficulty in your survival difficulty processing algorithm

unless your adapter is pretty complex

[weak wasp]

What is a POJO?

[clever zephyr]

Java objects

[chrome beacon]

Plain old java object

[weak wasp]

Gotcha...

[clever zephyr]

I rarely overengineer my projects, unless there's no other way to achieve what i have in mind lol

I have only 1 public project that i have over engineered , which is kinda good for my portfolio

[kindred sentinel]

If I'm trying to get field that is not available in config, what value will it give?

[weak wasp]

I try not to over engineer, but then I end up doing so trying to handle all these edge cases.

[clever zephyr]

null

[kindred sentinel]

Will it make an error?

[clever zephyr]

no, unless you use that null in some operation

if that happens it will throw an NPE

[kindred sentinel]

Okay thanks

[chrome beacon]

I mean it depends really

getInt won't return null

it will return 0

You should see the javadoc for the methods you're using

[clever zephyr]

Well yea obviously, numeric primitive return values should return 0

im pretty sure any other return value would return null

[chrome beacon]

If you use the get method that returns an object it will first return the default if set

and then null if not set, yes

[kind coral]

is it me or spigot-api 1.8 can't be used because its also resolving bungee-chat for that version which has been deleted or moved

nvm my bad it just needed sonatype lol

[torn shuttle]

ok one last try

and then I give up on this

[buoyant viper]

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT?

[remote swallow]

Give up

Never never give up

Double negative bosh

[buoyant viper]

[desert aspen]

how do i use build tools to get spigot api

[sullen marlin]

java -jar BuildTools.jar

or just use maven repo for the api

[weak wasp]

I have no idea how people are going to figure out running a server if they can't figure out buildtools

[desert aspen]

its just that the api i got its bugged

i think

bc i put it on the plugin and doesnt let me do any bukkit related things

[weak wasp]

You need to use the spigot-api.jar for your plugins, or do like md_5 said and set up maven.

I think it's in Spigot\Spigot-API\target\

Shaded jar has more features, like Gson and others...

[desert aspen]

1.21.4 uses jre 17 right?

[kind hatch]

Java 21

[desert aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/a7JLqhzo idk what im doing bad when puttin spigot api on build path, but every related to bukkit its error, what should i so

[chrome beacon]

Make sure Intellij is up to date

Also that link is broken

[desert aspen]

😦

ill send anothe

[desert aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/3lR3Not

[buoyant viper]

what

god imgur is so Shit nowadays

[kind hatch]

I got the same thing. :p
Lightshot uploads ftw rn

[desert aspen]

😭

what other website should i use

[buoyant viper]

idk

lightshot?

https://prnt.sc

[merry basalt]

Hello! I am looking for a developer who is willing to work longterm for our medieval minecraft server. Your duties will require working on items like playerskills, abilities, and races that will be mainly used for combat and pvp on our server. We work using Model Engine, Mythic Mobs, Oraxen, Mythic dungeons, and other affiliated plugins.

[worldly ice]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[rapid whale]

(as suggested, moved to #verified)

[mortal vortex]

Go to #verified since its less active, and maybe ping resource staff? iunno

[echo basalt]

since when is itemframe rotation based off yaw and pitch on 1.8

I've been blaming retrooper for like 2 weeks

I did recall testing something like this forever ago

and apparently it's pitch based and not yaw based

unless retrooper's scamming me

[blazing ocean]

lmao

@alpine urchin are you a scammer

[echo basalt]

sup rad

did you see skrillex' ultra set

proper banger

[blazing ocean]

didn't

[echo basalt]

go see it

some unreleased peekaboo tracks too

(see around 45:50 mark)

[blazing ocean]

fire

[sly topaz]

https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaBackwards/pull/848

it's a thing, apparently

[echo basalt]

it took me like 2 weeks of just slacking off

to remember that

because when I tried I think around 1.16.5 it worked

I thought it was packetevents

[sly topaz]

it started using the data in 1.17 as per that PR states, so fairly recently

[echo basalt]

so I did this

and it didn't work until I passed that yaw value

but in retrooper's case I need to pass it as pitch

scam

this will def break on like 1.9 but I'm not bothered

[sly topaz]

just fix it if someone ever reports it kek

[blazing ocean]

are you still doing that one map image commission you showed me ages ago

[echo basalt]

guy wanted 1.8 support

I delivered it like forever ago but I've been pushing this

[sly topaz]

are they not using viabackwards

it should solve it for you lol

[echo basalt]

no I believe he's running native

bruh wtf is this ad server he gave me

[blazing ocean]

😭

[sly topaz]

is this actually a thing

like server displaying ads in games

[drowsy helm]

There used to be a plugin out there that posted ads every however many minutes in chat and the server owner would get paid out

so wouldn't be surprised

[quaint mantle]

Rent cannot be this high 🥀

[mellow edge]

Imagine a google ads library in spigot API. Hilarious

[dawn flower]

weird request but can i make a specific enchanting table be max level without adding more bookshelves?

i got this design but it's only 22 rn, and i can't think of any other design

[sly topaz]

are you asking if you can do that with code or are you just trying to minmax the amount of bookshelves

[dawn flower]

i want it to be level 30 with code but on the outside i don't need to add more bookshelves

[wet breach]

yes it is a thing to place ads in games

[sly topaz]

I meant like, in minecraft

I at least don't think I've ever seen that done before

unless it is like, an ad for an affiliate hosting or something

@quaint mantle what's with the ghost reactions

[wet breach]

well pool of potential ads is like very small really, however pay per click is still a thing and doesn't require javascript and rather someone to just click a link

you can even open external links with the client

[sly topaz]

I just imagine someone freezing a player in waiting lobbies and force them to watch ads on a map lmao

[wet breach]

however pay per click doesn't pay all that well though and really you are wanting the conversion instead

conversion pay is significantly higher and its when someone clicks your link and also signs up

[blazing ocean]

they've been reacting to a lot of messages today

with an interesting choice of emojis too

[sly topaz]

they've reacted to two of mine with a ghost so I just assume it is a bot

[blazing ocean]

zero messages too

[sly topaz]

I got thrown for a loop since I couldn't find where the heck the enchantment table was handling the bookshelf counting for enchantments

[dawn flower]

i've been looking for it as well

[sly topaz]

I was under the impression it did it whenever a bookshelf was placed but turns out it does every time the inventory opens

[shadow night]

damn imagine making like a pvp arena and putting a shitton of ads on the walls

profit

[weary sphinx]

Hi, What's the best way to spawn holograms on all chests in a world?

[young knoll]

Probably on chunk load

I believe you can get all tile entities in that chunk inside that event

[weary sphinx]

public void spawnHoloInWorld(World world) {
    for (Chunk chunk : world.getLoadedChunks()) {
      for (BlockState state : chunk.getTileEntities()) {
        if (state instanceof Chest) {
          Location chestLoc = state.getLocation();
          spawnHologram(chestLoc, "Test Hologram");
        }
      }
    }
  }```

I'm doing it this way but it seems really inefficient

[young knoll]

.

ChunkLoadEvent

[weary sphinx]

okay, can it cause lag under high player counts?

[young knoll]

Anything can cause lag under high player counts

[weary sphinx]

I was looking to squeeze out some extra performance

[young knoll]

I mean, it shouldn't be too bad

[worthy yarrow]

If you use the event at least you’re not iterating over every chunk in a world, that already in itself saves some performance

[weary sphinx]

 @EventHandler
  public void onChunkLoad(ChunkLoadEvent event) {
    Chunk chunk = event.getChunk();

    for (BlockState state : chunk.getTileEntities()) {
      if (state instanceof Chest) {
        Location chestLoc = state.getLocation();
        hologramManager.spawnHologram(chestLoc, "&aTest Hologram!");
      }
    }
  }```

 ```java
 public void spawnHologram(Location location, String text) {
    if (holograms.containsKey(location)) return;

    Location holoLoc = location.clone().add(0.5, 1.5, 0.5);
    ArmorStand stand = (ArmorStand) location.getWorld().spawnEntity(holoLoc, EntityType.ARMOR_STAND);

    stand.setVisible(false);
    stand.setGravity(false);
    stand.setCustomName(text);
    stand.setCustomNameVisible(true);
    stand.setMarker(true);

    holograms.put(location, stand);
  }```

This looks good?

[weary sphinx]

Yeah I'll work with it ig

[chrome beacon]

When spawning an entity that you want to modify like that use the spawn method that takes a consumer

[worthy yarrow]

You can use display entities 1.19+ btw

[chrome beacon]

That will sure it's modified before being spawned

[weary sphinx]

um I might get bombed but im on 1.8 😭

[worthy yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[weary sphinx]

haha, I like DisplayEntities btw makes life so much easier

[smoky anchor]

Why tho

[worthy yarrow]

Kidding ofc, I mean it’s not a bad thing just don’t expect many to help all that much here… we hate on outdated software but for good reasons I assure you

[weary sphinx]

I see

[worthy yarrow]

Same thing applies to display entities, but whatever your case should still modify with the consumer

[weary sphinx]

I am trying to make the click to deposit thing that hypixel has on bedwars

[chrome beacon]

That doesn't explain why 1.8

[smoky anchor]

I'm asking "why 1.8"

Better not be "PvP"

[weary sphinx]

cuz the server is on 1.8

[weary sphinx]

💀

[chrome beacon]

and why is that

[smoky anchor]

1.8 pvp can be replicated fairly accurately with data components on items
Yes, stuff will be different like swim, sneak, hitbox size. But better than being on decade old version

?howold 1.8.9

[undone axle]

https://howoldisminecraft.today/1.8.9

[weary sphinx]

It's a setup that i have i didn't make it so yeah

[quaint mantle]

Use 1.8 if you want torture

[smoky anchor]

If you're working for someone then it's understanable a bit

[worthy yarrow]

Yell at them for using an awful version obviously

[smoky anchor]

Yep

[weary sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/nini-dog-happy-smile-gif-17261982

[blazing ocean]

did you just say using 10 year old versions isn't bad

[worthy yarrow]

Yes and I only say that because of how many people still use it, not just devs, my point being 1.8 still has appeal but other than that the impl was worse just as the api… so as a dev it will never be a good thing but again regular people/server owners etc still want to so

[sly topaz]

I will always find it weird just how the view of people using older software warped from something undesired yet acceptable to something completely outrageous

it's just like using a different platform, it isn't bad or wrong to do, just different. While there's always the ongoing joke about how people should update and stop using 10 year old software, it's no more than a recommendation, if they want to stick to whatever versions they want, then that's fine. I'd understand more if this was a certain competing platform's discord were they explicitly forbid help for older versions but that isn't really the case here

[weary sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[blazing ocean]

it's a version full of bugs and exploits that does not get any support nor fixes and you're pretty much just on your own. in terms of the API, it was very lacking ten years ago

[weary sphinx]

that's the problem of people who use it

[sly topaz]

anyone using it is plenty aware of that

[orchid gazelle]

That's correct

[sly topaz]

besides, it isn't like there haven't been attempts at modernizing older software, there's forks out there which bring new API to older versions where possible

[orchid gazelle]

There are things in older versions that are just more appealing for a lot of people

[weary sphinx]

mb I didn't read the rules

[orchid gazelle]

For example I find modern modded mc to be completely boring, but 1.7.10 - 1.12.2 completely amazing

[sly topaz]

it's fine

paid fork 🤮

[weary sphinx]

Oh its paid

30 euro wtf

[sly topaz]

there was a free one out there, I don't remember the name tho

it's the first result when you search spigot 1.8.8 fork anyway lol

[weary sphinx]

The goat

bro there are so many

[jagged thicket]

panda spigot

https://github.com/hpfxd/PandaSpigot

[amber dawn]

Hi im trying to make a fake player appear in the tablist, how can i do that? im pretty new with packets... some suggested PacketPlayOutPlayerInfo but I don't know how to implement NMS, I'm using Maven btw

is there a good documentation about this

[chrome beacon]

No it's NMS

so you're mostly on you're own

You can look at mappings and the protocol wiki

but other than that take a look at how it's used in nms and do that

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[chrome beacon]

?mappings

[undone axle]

Compare different mappings with this website: https://mappings.dev/

[chrome beacon]

?protocol

[undone axle]

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol

[amber dawn]

thanks, i can already feel that it will be a pain in the ass

[chrome beacon]

yeah if you've never worked with it before

[pure dagger]

how to make an action happen every week at the same time? like friday 8 pm

[sly topaz]

you could just use a plugin like TAB tbh

it has an API

[amber dawn]

what does TAB stand for xd (or is it just tab)

[pure dagger]

idk but you click tab to see it

[amber dawn]

oh yeah i've found it

[pure dagger]

by default

[sly topaz]

the plugin, TAB

[pure dagger]

oh

[amber dawn]

thx

[pure dagger]

sorry

[sly topaz]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/tab-1-5-1-21-5.57806/

[sonic wolf]

Hello everyone, I would like to know what is the best NPC plugin for Minecraft in 1.9 if you have any advice.

[sly topaz]

are you looking for a plugin to use as library for NPCs or just a NPC plugin? Because if it is the latter, then that's more of a question for #help-server

that said, probably Citizens. Or if you want a library then Lib's Disguises

[sonic wolf]

it was just to have skins with specific skins for some sort of ranking

thanks you very much 🙏

[snow stone]

Hey, does anyone know of a good weapon or gun plugin for Minecraft? Looking for something that adds guns with custom features like reloading and aiming mechanics. Any recommendations?

currently using 1.8.9 right now

[quaint mantle]

Crackshot is pretty good iirc

[snow stone]

i've been using that plugin for a year, i want to try another plugin

Any recommendations?

i love this kind of texture pack

[quaint mantle]

QualityArmory

Next time use #help-server

[quaint mantle]

This isn't 1.8 based tho

[austere cove]

bois halp i added fawe as maven dependency and it builds but my IDE does not recognize the imports 💀

[blazing ocean]

try invalidating caches

file -> invalidate caches

[umbral ridge]

is there a guide on custom events? eg how to create one? and use it in other plugins

as an api

eg.: i've made a permissions plugin and i want something like PlayerChangeGroupEvent

with custom parameters

[austere cove]

create a class extending event

add a static getHandlerList()

[austere cove]

im eclipse enjoyer 🥲

[umbral ridge]

ty

[blazing ocean]

of course you are

[austere cove]

ah it didnt point to the correct maven config

its been a while since ive worked with a bs language

[blazing ocean]

yeah xml does suck

[umbral ridge]

do you have to always call new? is that a bad thing?

[blazing ocean]

y-yes you have to create an instance of your class...

[umbral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/darts-gif-11190351

[austere cove]

its been a while 💀
do I have to batch block changes myself or how do I let fawe handle it

[echo basalt]

setBlocks(pattern, mask)

sumn like that

[vague swallow]

Does anyone know a good guide/tutorial for custom world with the plugin?

[blazing ocean]

WorldCreator

[austere cove]

ja but im wondering if I can say change 100M blocks in one edit session and have it be batched by FAWE to not overload the server, or if I have to manually flush 100 1M block edit sessions.

also if working with FAWE can I build the edit session and call EditSession#flushQueue() async and can I keep reusing the same edit session.

[blazing ocean]

You can do it in one batch asynchronously just fine

[still jacinth]

Is there a specific way i'm supposed to store NamespacedKey(s) so that I can access them later on?
For example consider this class (a subclass of my plugin's "main")

    final class PDCLocationKey {
        public final NamespacedKey ITEMSTACK_ITEMKEY_STORAGE;
        public final NamespacedKey ITEMSTACK_UID_STORAGE;

        PDCLocationKey(final @NotNull FoxutilsItems plugin) {
            ITEMSTACK_ITEMKEY_STORAGE = new NamespacedKey(plugin, "fox_item");
            ITEMSTACK_UID_STORAGE = new NamespacedKey(plugin, "item_uid_storage");
        }
    }

and then

    public PDCLocationKey pdcLocationKey;

    @Override
    public void onEnable() {
        pdcLocationKey = new PDCLocationKey(this);
        ....
    }

This was the best way I could think of doing this , but then I run into an issue when trying to access it later on, where I either need to grab it by the plugin's name from Bukkit which seems jank, or store a static instance ( x#getInstance() ) which seems to be frowned upon

        {
            final PersistentDataContainer persistentDataContainer = itemMeta.getPersistentDataContainer();
            final PDCLocationKey pdcLocationKey = FoxutilsItems.getInstance().pdcLocationKey;
            // Stores the item class's itemKey (The key that identifies the created
            // ItemStack as an ItemStack of whatever Item-class (template)) at the foxutils-items:fox_item location
            persistentDataContainer.set(pdcLocationKey.ITEMSTACK_ITEMKEY_STORAGE, PersistentDataType.STRING, key.toString());
            persistentDataContainer.set(pdcLocationKey.ITEMSTACK_UID_STORAGE, PersistentDataType.STRING, UUID.randomUUID().toString());
        }

(how I am currently accessing it)

[young void]

WEAPONMECHANICSSSSSS

[young void]

the myth the legend

especially if its with the premium addons

[young void]

where is this resource pack? i want it

[kindred sentinel]

Is there any good example of making good command TabCompleter?

[amber dawn]

Can i also ask about ProtocolLib?

[grim hound]

use

packetevents

https://github.com/retrooper/packetevents

under no condition should pl be used

[blazing ocean]

legacy

[amber dawn]

Can packetevents be used also to create fake players on tablists

[grim hound]

rewrite it

[blazing ocean]

yes it can

[grim hound]

it's a better protocollib

[amber dawn]

i'll try

the dependency threw an error, it can't find the artifact

[blazing ocean]

https://docs.packetevents.com/getting-started did you add the repo

[amber dawn]

yeah i've taken it from the same website

[blazing ocean]

and did you replace PLATFORM with your platform

[amber dawn]

do i need to change the "-PLATFORM"

yeah i did not

[still jacinth]

    public final class PDCLocationKey {
        public static NamespacedKey ITEMSTACK_ITEMKEY_STORAGE;
        public static NamespacedKey ITEMSTACK_UID_STORAGE;

        private static boolean keysInitialized = false;

        static final void initializeKeys(final @NotNull FoxutilsItems plugin) {
            if (keysInitialized)
                return;

            ITEMSTACK_ITEMKEY_STORAGE = new NamespacedKey(plugin, "fox_item");
            ITEMSTACK_UID_STORAGE = new NamespacedKey(plugin, "item_uid_storage");
            keysInitialized = true;
        }

        private PDCLocationKey() {
        }
    }

¯_(ツ)_/¯ man im clueless

is this considered static abuse? i guess i just need a better definition of it

[blazing ocean]

that's not static abuse no

[still jacinth]

Is there a specific definition of it so im not needlessly questioning myself and "scared" of static

[blazing ocean]

this

[still jacinth]

thanks

[austere cove]

How do I discard a fawe edit session before flushing

[buoyant viper]

do any ASM nerds know if i still need to call super.visitCode() if im using a MethodVisitor and effectively replacing the Method body

right now i override visitCode and just call visitInsn(RETURN) in it and it works, but it feels wrong

https://github.com/winnpixie/log4noshell/blob/main/src%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Fio%2Fgithub%2Fwinnpixie%2Flog4noshell%2FJndiLookupTransformer.java#L28 context

[barren sparrow]

im new to plugin dev

how to add the pop up text when u hover over a chat message

[mortal vortex]

You’re setting it to null right?

When you override visitMethod(), you should return the original method visitor (super.visitMethod()) for methods you don't want to modify. For methods you do want to modify, you should wrap that original visitor. Looks like your code is returning null for methods that don't match

[mortal vortex]

That’s just a bit of advice ^ but to answer your question directly. In this specific case, you don't need to call super.visitCode(). All that is in MethodVisitor is just a notification that the code section of the method is about to start. If you’re essentially removing that part of the code, there’s no point in doing it.

[buoyant viper]

the javadoc for visitMethod had mentioned returning null if my ClassVisitor isnt interested in said method, so thats why i return null until im actually editing a method

https://asm.ow2.io/javadoc/org/objectweb/asm/ClassVisitor.html#visitMethod(int,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String,java.lang.String[])

[mortal vortex]

Oh nah you’re good then bro

Also didn’t check but are you using VisitEnd? Good practice

[buoyant viper]

i wasnt sure if i needed to use it since there was like an "order of how things are called"

[dry hazel]

I'd just use the tree api

[buoyant viper]

and there was a lot of stuff between visitCode and visitEnd i didnt want to get missed

[buoyant viper]

funny u mention that

i was using it previously, but i wanted to see if i could shrink file size down bc of shaded deps

[dry hazel]

it's only a few classes

[buoyant viper]

https://github.com/winnpixie/log4noshell/blob/45000c4c5197ecca4151e0c891bf6e0cd8f50628/src/main/java/io/github/winnpixie/log4noshell/JndiLookupTransformer.java#L27 this was using it

yeah but it was like 50kb more

(im probably forgetting to use minimizeJar or something idk)

i got really anal last night about how large my final jar was lol

[orchid gazelle]

you got what?

[buoyant viper]

https://asm.ow2.io/javadoc/org/objectweb/asm/MethodVisitor.html class javadoc made me uncertain abt calling visitEnd lol @mortal vortex

[buoyant viper]

i do not in fact use minimizeJar

that probably explains a lot

[mortal vortex]

girlllll idek

you got this no matter what queen

[buoyant viper]

i mean it works in its current state

defunct by now since i think mojang updated their libraries across the board to use either newer or a patched log4j

but i like touching up old projects

[clever zephyr]

Guys i decided to do smth very evil

[buoyant viper]

u switched to Paper?

[clever zephyr]

no

[buoyant viper]

🙏🏻

[clever zephyr]

Well i like paper and i sometimes use it for clients that requires it

apart from that,

I decided to override bukkit's original command map

and integrate it with my command framework

[buoyant viper]

i almost asked why would a client require paper and then i realized u meant People, not the game itself

now make it work with Brigadier

[clever zephyr]

Lmao, I do some freelancing when im free

[clever zephyr]

WAIT, IT ALREADY DOESN'T ?

[buoyant viper]

i mean bukkit commands dont natively work with brigadier iirc no

thats why uhhh commodore exists i think

[clever zephyr]

Technically, my command framework automatically integrates with brigadier of all mc versions

it even works on legacy versions like 1.8 (except that any ver below 1.13 doesnt integrate with brigadier)

[buoyant viper]

obv, game didnt ship with it

[clever zephyr]

Im gonna make it an option to override the whole server's command map

[clever zephyr]

Does anybody have an idea on how to erase all vanilla commands from the server?

[chrome beacon]

but why

[mortal vortex]

rip /gamemode, gamerule, etc

[blazing ocean]

a permission plugin

[sullen marlin]

More like a no permission plugin amirite

[blazing ocean]

true true

[buoyant viper]

i want to say theyre handled internally by NMS but im not sure, since permission plugins can grant/revoke them (citation needed)

[slender elbow]

minecraft.command.<command> 🙏

[clever zephyr]

I have found out they are handled by CraftServer class and part of it is handled by NMS internally too
I found out that bukkit has smth called VanillaCommandWrapper which extends bukkit command and wraps around its fields giving them the values of a vanilla cmd
The only way i can think of rn is to inject (somehow) an executable that removes the commands after they are being registered
(I discovered that vanilla commands are always registered again AFTER a plugin enables)

@quaint mantle if you're so smart, why don't you suggest a way to achieve this ?

other than creating a wrapper for the CraftServer obviously

[young knoll]

?kick @quaint mantle automated reactions

[undone axle]

Done. That felt good.

[dry hazel]

"rage bait master" lmao

[clever zephyr]

Emily is his successor now lmao

[young knoll]

Welp guess @slender elbow is a bot too

Time to get the boot

[desert aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/uBrcrqf i dont know what i did wrong with the build path, but everything i put related to bukkit it shows as an error

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[buoyant viper]

u usin maven or gradle?

if not, issue might be

?bootstrap

[undone axle]

Bootstrap Jar
The main spigot-1.18.jar is now a bootstrap jar which contains all libraries. You cannot directly depend on this jar. You should depend on Spigot/Spigot-API/target/spigot-api-1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-shaded.jar, or the entire contents of the bundler directory from your server, or use a dependency manager such as Maven or Gradle to handle this automatically.

Please read the release notes for further information: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/9-years-of-spigotmc-spigot-bungeecord-1-18-1-18-1-release.534760/#post-4305163

[desert aspen]

im already doing this

[clever zephyr]

The question is, which build tool are you using?
Maven or Gradle ?

I don't see any build tool file

[young knoll]

That likely means they aren’t using one

[clever zephyr]

Which means he didn't follow the bootstrap jar instructions

[young knoll]

That’s not what that means

[clever zephyr]

If you're not planning on using any build tool, just depend on the jar directly as an artifact (I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS)

[desert aspen]

neither

[desert aspen]

well

its on the build path

so i think im using it

[young knoll]

The default build system in eclipse is just ant

Iirc

You really should use maven or gradle thoufh

[clever zephyr]

Okay i found out that luckperms does it using CommandPreProcessEvent which i don't wanna end up using :((

[blazing ocean]

then just use luckperms??

[clever zephyr]

I'm not making a permissions plugin, I'm making an option in a framework of mine

[desert aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/9D5Iz8i i put both on build path but its still the same

[slender elbow]

it literally does not

[blazing ocean]

luckperms has an API

[blazing ocean]

it does now

[clever zephyr]

It does
https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/blob/master/bukkit/src/main/java/me/lucko/luckperms/bukkit/listeners/BukkitPlatformListener.java

[blazing ocean]

source: trust me bro

[slender elbow]

yes, and check what it does in there

[clever zephyr]

its for OP commands only

[slender elbow]

it only uses that for a single thing

no

it's for the /op command itself

[clever zephyr]

op and deop

[slender elbow]

which LP lets you disable op's entirely

it isn't for op commands

you can be deop + permission for, like, /tp

[clever zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/fpe-gif-12904436974720717983

I meant the /op and /deop

[slender elbow]

you were talking about "all vanilla commands"

[blazing ocean]

that implies other commands exist

we only have opping in this house

[slender elbow]

with LP just deny the permission for the commands, minecraft.command.<command> and you won't be able to run 'em

[young knoll]

What if I op myself by editing the ops file

Take that luckperms

[slender elbow]

fortunately LP can ignore op status if you so desire 😄

[clever zephyr]

I meant "/op and /deop" here
I stated that luckperms has an option for disabling THESE commands, through the CommandPreProcessEvent
Again, I'm not planning on using LuckPerms since im working on a third party framework that is Public , not everyone uses LP
I desire to ignore all vanilla commands, which unfortunately have no other way around other than using CommandPreProcessEvent

[young knoll]

Will it stop me from getting my grubby hands on the operator items tab in creative

Ignore the fact that creative mode lets you do pretty much whatever

[blazing ocean]

99.99% of servers do use luckperms

genuinely have never seen a server not use it

[young knoll]

Can’t you just do what luckperms does

Which I assume is add a permission attachment

[clever zephyr]

I mean the project is a command framework.
it should be associated with commands not permissions.

[clever zephyr]

Man, is it that good ?
I haven't read its full src code tho , so i dont know

[tall dragon]

in my opinion, yes its that good

it has everything you could want for a permission plugin, its fast, intuitive to use. not much else any1 could want.

[clever zephyr]

are the messages configurable ?

[tall dragon]

of course

[desert aspen]

if i start to use maven as build tool when my project have a lot of things it will create errors?

[earnest girder]

Something in this code: https://paste.md-5.net/unagucebaf.cs (specifically inside the for loop, I checked by commenting it out)
causes this error: https://paste.md-5.net/axivojotux.php

and disconnects the player from the server

Caused by: io.netty.handler.codec.EncoderException: String too big (was 36 characters, max 16)
seems like there is a string that is too big for some reason, but I'm not sure what or why its an issue. I'm using strings for player UUIDs... Am I doing something wrong?

[worthy yarrow]

“A lot of things” doesn’t exactly tell us what might go wrong, just make sure to include dependencies

[young knoll]

I’m guessing you are trying to use offline players with names longer than 16 characters

[clever zephyr]

Same guess

[young knoll]

If you want to use a uuid, you have to convert it to a uuid first

UUID.fromString

[clever zephyr]

Names shouldn't be even longer than 16 characters or no ?

[worthy yarrow]

Imagine UUID.fromString(String.of(uuid))

[clever zephyr]

I think you could make a verification check on the name if its even valid
@earnest girder

[earnest girder]

ok

[clever zephyr]

smth like

if(memberName.length() > 16) {
// ignore OR throw an exception as you wish
}

[earnest girder]

okay, thanks

I think im using the method getPlayer(name) and inputting a UUID as a string by mistake

[clever zephyr]

np
also if you're planning ignore just do
memberName.length() <= 16

[drowsy helm]

start commenting out each line that edits meta one by one and see what causes the issue

[young knoll]

That is exactly what you are doing

[drowsy helm]

but yeah also defensive programming like Mqzen said

Also fully arbitrary but that could be a foreach loop

[blazing ocean]

wtf is a toString

[worthy yarrow]

Idk you tell me kotlin nerd

[clever zephyr]

I mean String.of(Object object) uses object.toString() internally, so no big deal lol

[drowsy helm]

Extra cpu cycles. Fired

[clever zephyr]

Micro Optimization nerd alert !

[worthy yarrow]

Rad go to bed already btw

[blazing ocean]

are you wanting to delay my execution by 0.00001ns

[blazing ocean]

I am I just can't sleep

[worthy yarrow]

Melatonin

[blazing ocean]

don't have any

[clever zephyr]

It isn't the only cause of sleep btw , it's one of the many factors that lead to sleep

[tall dragon]

This introduces extra cpu cycles too

[blazing ocean]

true

[quaint mantle]

Why do this when you can do "" + object

[drowsy helm]

Foreach massages my brain

Easier for caveman brain to read

[blazing ocean]

now that's ugly asf

[tall dragon]

haha

[blazing ocean]

so true

[clever zephyr]

Me when i see this

[quaint mantle]

String.format("%s", object);

[clever zephyr]

Stop, you're killing me 😭

[blazing ocean]

that's just unnecessary

[worthy yarrow]

Rad did you fall out of your Harry Potter phase yet?

[blazing ocean]

spigot help-dev coming up with all possible ways to get the string representation of an object

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231431962061967461/1364952244964819095/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[blazing ocean]

nope :)

still working on that spells plugin

[clever zephyr]

Take this bomb: String.format("%s", String.valueOf(object.toString() + "") + "")

[worthy yarrow]

Where’s the second kaboom then

[blazing ocean]

😔

you gotta make it first

[worthy yarrow]

Ok I’ll make it… in my mind then tell you what to do

[umbral ridge]

would tracking a specific WrittenBook be a pain in the ass? also.. can it be a virtual book? so that player doesn't actually get it in their inventory? I'm just trying to get some input, and when the book is closed, I want to read from it.

[orchid trout]

how do i download better internet

[quaint mantle]

Where do I download thread safe spigot

[blazing ocean]

https://papermc.io runs

[umbral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hypnotize-dizzy-spinning-gif-17653652

[orchid trout]

is this better internet?

[umbral ridge]

you want to answer my question now

XD

[orchid trout]

no answer me

[umbral ridge]

this is not internet this is something else

[orchid trout]

is it geometry dash?

[umbral ridge]

its minecraft web version

[tall dragon]

naw, they sell paper for your printer

[orchid trout]

i dont have a printer.

[worthy yarrow]

Well now how about a printer for your paper

[umbral ridge]

printermc.io

[blazing ocean]

how about a printer for your printer for your paper

[umbral ridge]

how about printer for your printer's paper

[worthy yarrow]

Twice printed paper

[blazing ocean]

how about not printing

[umbral ridge]

how the heck do you open a book but not store it in the players inventory

[blazing ocean]

isn't there like Player#openBook or sth

[orchid trout]

have you tried not opening the book?

[blazing ocean]

or was that an adventure thing

[orchid trout]

i love adventures

[umbral ridge]

kyori adventures?

[orchid trout]

the ones in the jungle

where a ball chases you

[blazing ocean]

well, it's merged into the paper project now

[orchid trout]

JVN 063

[blazing ocean]

?

[orchid trout]

number platep

[blazing ocean]

???

[orchid trout]

JVN 063

[drowsy helm]

Agreed

[earnest girder]

if I'm allowing players to create a gang/faction with a name, and I save their gang to a file that stores the owner, members, and other info:

should I use an integer as a "gang ID"? Or should I use a string (the gang name) as the ID? Players wont be able to create two gangs with the same name.

Should I just use the name for keeping track of which gang a player is in/the name of the gang file, or should I create a new integer field?

[young knoll]

Why not use a UUID

[earnest girder]

well, thats extra data i have to store. I could just use the name as the UUID

right?

[young knoll]

What if they want to change the name

[ivory sleet]

The problem with int is ofc that its not very friendly if u expose that to end users

[grand flint]

which event triggers pressure plates

[earnest girder]

I update the data (but first check if the new name is already in use)

[ivory sleet]

Interact iirc

[young knoll]

PlayerInteractEvent with the PHYSICAL action

Ass-pressure™️

[grand flint]

tf is action

[earnest girder]

players will only see the name on their end, the int ID would be behind the scenes

[young knoll]

You’ve never used Action.RIGHT_CLICK_AIR?

[grand flint]

nope

[young knoll]

Or LEFT_CLICK_BLOCK

[grand flint]

nope

[earnest girder]

intactions such as clicking blocks or air (or physically trampling crops or stepping on pressure plates) trigger PlayerInteractEvent, from there you can check which kind of action triggered it with Event.getAction

[ivory sleet]

If u want to ensure unique gang names, then making it a part of the id is obviously quite smart, but else you can like go with a uuid, if u wna incorporate timestamp when it was created u can do sth like
new UUID(Instant.now().toEpochMillis(), someUniqueIdGeneratorForLongDataTypeIfSameMilliscond)

[thorn isle]

randomly generated UUIDs will make everything generally easier if you need to adjust or expand your logic later

[earnest girder]

okay, but there wouldn't be any problems using the chosen name itself as the ID as long as I ensure they are unique, right?

[young knoll]

Isn’t there a uuid version that includes the time

[ivory sleet]

Tho using numerical incremental ids is a common technique, tho usually u bind
NumId to UUID in a table and then u have another table with UUID to DataAttributes or somethinf

[thorn isle]

an ID is generally assumed to be immutable; if you use the name as the ID, and then you realize you want to allow players to change the gang name, you've painted yourself into a corner

[ivory sleet]

ofc not, I’d suggest making sure u properly guard those strings

[thorn isle]

using a numerical incremental id is fine but it adds some extra complexity in having to somehow track the next available id

this is generally undesired redundancy and can easily be normalized in a sql table anyway, so it's scarcely worthwhile

[earnest girder]

i dont see how thats a problem though, I can just update all the places the name/id is stored after ensuring the new name is unique

[ivory sleet]

yea usually ur database is where those numerical ids stay

[thorn isle]

exhaustively enumerating every reference to the gang may not be easy or even viable

[young knoll]

Huh apparently java doesn’t have an api for making version 1 UUIDs

Sadge

[thorn isle]

suppose for example another plugin that uses your api to refer to some gang

how are you going to update the string they use as the id?

this is why id's are expected to be immutable

[earnest girder]

I'm using YAML files

previously I was generating a new int as the gang ID and using that as the file name, as well as the data field in each player (gang member)'s file

[ivory sleet]

I mean tbh, ids being just names is fine, you can do some tricky stuff where u create a new gang and copy the old gang data if u wna change name of the gang

whilst getting that immutability

And tbh, renaming gangs won’t happen very frequently right?

[earnest girder]

nope

[thorn isle]

i'd avoid it out of principle but yeah name as id is doable as well, i just wouldn't recommend it

[young knoll]

Means you gotta create a new file and then yeet the old one to rename

Doable but just kinda meh

[earnest girder]

okay, no way to just rename a file from the plugin?

[ivory sleet]

^^ if u do pick strings, encapsulate those in a class and properly restrict instances of that class so u can’t have a name of some weird characters like tab chars, random ascii chars etc

[ivory sleet]

Isn’t there a method in Files to do it atomically at least?

[young knoll]

Appears so

Files.move

[ivory sleet]

Ye

[earnest girder]

the tricky thing with using an int as the ID is that I have to map IDs to names

and when a player creates a new gang I have to figure out what the next int is based on the gangs that already exist

[young knoll]

That’s the nice part about uuids

You don’t have to find the “next” one

[ivory sleet]

I thought u were using sql

[earnest girder]

just curious, how does UUID#generateNewOne know its unqiue?

[ivory sleet]

If not, then yea, avoid numerical incremental ids, just a hassle for u

[ivory sleet]

It’s technically not

[young knoll]

It’s very very unlikely for it to be a duplicate

[earnest girder]

yeah

[ivory sleet]

its just a very small chance to generate a duplicate

[young knoll]

But technically you can just add a check for that

[ivory sleet]

But @earnest girder this will give a unique one tho

[young knoll]

If new file(ourNewUUID).exists() then buy lottery ticket

[ivory sleet]

or well, until we run out of space, only 64 bits

[young knoll]

Isn’t that in like 2038

[earnest girder]

okay, ima use a UUID

[ivory sleet]

Sooner than expected!

[tall dragon]

i mean chance of duplicate uuid happening is like 1 in 5.3 × 10^15 on 1 trillion uuids

so pretty unlikely

[young knoll]

Ah wait no

2038 is for 32 bit

[ivory sleet]

128 bit w uuid, but if u do it with epoch time for the MSB its 64 bits

[umbral ridge]

what the heck

Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: ItemStack Material (WRITABLE_BOOK) must be Material.WRITTEN_BOOK

[thorn isle]

doesn't uuidv4 use like a local timestamp and the mac address or something to make it unique down to the current millisecond and more or less unique to the machine? it's practically impossible to get a collision because of this, unless you generate millions of them per second on the same machine

[ivory sleet]

obv u can be freaky and use like 64+32 bits for epoch time

[young knoll]

Yeah with 64 bits we’re good for 290 billion years

[thorn isle]

i remember this being brought up at some point because the uuid's generated by like microsoft word allowed people to fingerprint the machine the document was written on, as they hashed the mac address or some hardware serial number

not sure if they're still used

tl;dr no you're not going to have a collision

[young knoll]

v4 is the pseudo random one

Now I’m curious what it uses

[ivory sleet]

By specification? Unsure if Java upholds that

secure random

just

Very slow

[umbral ridge]

does minecraft not have an api for editing an open book? without the need to place it in the player's inventory???

[ivory sleet]

^ (jisho)

[ivory sleet]

Don’t think so

[umbral ridge]

what

!!

[ivory sleet]

That’s basically client sided no?

[thorn isle]

Versions 1 and 6 (date-time and MAC address)

[ivory sleet]

Like when u edit a writable book on the client

[thorn isle]

okay nevermind, v4 is just random bits

[ivory sleet]

Oh yea but does java support those

[thorn isle]

not out of the box i don't think

[ivory sleet]

fair then

[earnest girder]

this is a dumb question but can I store null in a YAML file?

with ints I was doing -1 for no gang, can I just store it as null if I switch to UUIDs?

[young knoll]

Version 7 also includes timestamp

[cinder abyss]

Hello, did someone made a utility class to compare minecraft versions that is robust ?
Like java Version.getActual().isPost("1.17.2")

or smth like that ?

[umbral ridge]

well that is weird... but with signs that's possible? you can put text in a virtual sign and then close it andread from it

[thorn isle]

yes, yaml allows nulls

[ivory sleet]

Yea

[earnest girder]

thanks

[thorn isle]

iirc the tokens for it are ~ or just NULL

[ivory sleet]

I assume you have a bidirectional relationship @earnest girder

[young knoll]

Doesn’t spigots yml system just remove the key if you set it to null

[ivory sleet]

gangs contains members, each member has a gang

(From both types)

[thorn isle]

i don't remember, i don't think it does

[ivory sleet]

could very well be the case, u might be able to configure that w the options thingy

[thorn isle]

usually it's not desirable to discriminate between an absent mapping and a null mapping anyway

[ivory sleet]

w/o calling snakeyaml

[young knoll]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/configuration/MemorySection.html#set(java.lang.String,java.lang.Object)

Yeah it removes the mapping

[thorn isle]

either way, when you do get for it later it returns null

[earnest girder]

yea

[ivory sleet]

Tough not to use a relational database

[clever zephyr]

Mongo >>

[ivory sleet]

Yeah but no, they kinda have different use cases if you really have to scale and need to care about that, with sql u can define nice invariants also on queries which is super useful when your data types start to have relationships

[clever zephyr]

What are the use cases for mongo ?
when stuff are simple(no relations) ?

[ivory sleet]

when the data you’re storing is unstructured

Obv you can still use nosql for relational data

Its just that its more bug prone and ur middleware now has to act on data invariants to hold at all times

[echo basalt]

nosql is nice for unordered stuff yeah

something like a grocery store is nice on sql because it's all "product" | "price" | "amount"

But something like bukkit's PDC system is inviable with sql

Unless you json it

[young knoll]

That’s why I use NoSQL to store me life 😩

[echo basalt]

yaml

[clever zephyr]

Understandable
I'm still learning some advanced sql concepts like JOIN, UNION
There's a weird concept i still don't comprehend till now
The OneToMany and ManyToMany or ManyToOne

My brain goes brrrrrr when i try to understand them

[weak wasp]

Flatfiles

[clever zephyr]

i love gson

[ivory sleet]

oh that’s basically the “why” to sql’s power mqzen, M-M, 1-M, M-1 and then ofc the normalization forms

its basically just object oriented, where each table is a class (i don’t know if its a good analogy?)

[clever zephyr]

oh so it's not a sql statement ?

just an ORM based concept i suppose ?

[echo basalt]

Yeah a DBMS thing

not even that just a general data association concept

[ivory sleet]

^

[clever zephyr]

Time to spend some months on mastering Hibernate

[ivory sleet]

Obv u use sql to define these things

Like creating a table where certain attributes (columns) are associated with other attributes (columns) from other tables

[clever zephyr]

Okay , but for example
What sql statement i can write to apply the concept 1-M (an example concept)?

Like how would i construct the idea

[earnest girder]

im just going to store it as a string instead of a UUID, so storing "" wont remove the entry, right?

[ivory sleet]

For example like

A Human can own multiple pets

[earnest girder]

and converting the UUID to a string for use isnt a bad idea right

[ivory sleet]

A pet can only have one owner

[young knoll]

What if a couple owns the pet

[ivory sleet]

Im sure u know how to create this in code (Object oriented specifically)

[clever zephyr]

OHHH i have been doing this for a very long time without knowing the concepts behind it lol

[ivory sleet]

but in sql, the only main difference is that we need to give pets and humans identifiers also

[clever zephyr]

a unique id column ?

[ivory sleet]

Yea, ofc u could use mongo and just store an array of pet ids etc, but u may compromise on the invariants (for example the invariant could be that if a pet is deleted, then the owner no longer owns that pet), and then the only way to guarantee this invariant would be through ur middleware, java code as an example

[ivory sleet]

Yea

[clever zephyr]

so let's assume there are 2 tables, one for the pet-owners(humans) and one for all the pets owned by people
the pet-owners has the following columns:
ID | NAME

thats without doing that concept
but when we apply for example the One To Many concept
the pets table should be like this

PET_ID | PET_NAME | OWNER_ID

where the owner column has the ONE owner to that pet
and can have duplicate values SINCE one human can have multiple pets
while guranteeing that pet_id is unique

then maybe we can construct a relational column between "ID" in the pet-owners table and the "OWNER_ID" in the pets table

to load the rest of the human's data for constructing a human/player data object

[ivory sleet]

Yes so usually when you deal with one to many relationships iirc a common strategy is to define this relationship with a new, third table

[clever zephyr]

Okaaay, I think i began to understand it

[ivory sleet]

yea and then you can have a compound primary key

So for example let OwnerId | PetId serve as the unique key

[clever zephyr]

I should really practice this , its really interesting

[clever zephyr]

Alr continue

[ivory sleet]

Or sometimes you will have an id on the relation table itself so RelationId | OwnerId | PetId
(Underline = primary key [means unique also in this case])

and then the Pet table, as well as the Person table both refer to the relation id instead

[hazy parrot]

Why third table for 1-m?

[ivory sleet]

just as an example, there are different techniques to this, and there is this entire abstract relational algebra as well

[clever zephyr]

Interesting indeed
Thanks for the explanation, really helped

[ivory sleet]

More to explain, but yea u ofc dont need it (edit - introducing a third table/scheme is usually for m-m)

@clever zephyr ^^

[clever zephyr]

Okayy, so a third table in m-m cases is basically to flatten down all the related columns into 1 table right?

[ivory sleet]

one to many for simple reasons is fine w just like
Human(Id)
Pet(Id, OwnerId references Human(Id))

yea

[echo basalt]

the way we learned this at school was with a supermarket supply chain

[ivory sleet]

Sounds like a good way to represent and solve it relationally tbh

[echo basalt]

each product can only have one brand

each brand can have multiple suppliers

each supplier can supply for multiple supermarkets

but each supermarket for one product can only have one supplier?

weird constraints

[young knoll]

I don’t think that’s how it works

[echo basalt]

yeah not that last one

[clever zephyr]

My school didnt teach me any real useful programming at all
Only VB and some HTML xD
I have learned coding all on my own, I'm a self taught dev and I'm proud of it.

[buoyant viper]

my hs taught javascript one year

like at the very end

[echo basalt]

every kid in 10th grade has uh

computer class

and we learned how to use MS access on it

which is basically sql

[ivory sleet]

Well you also have stuff like inheritance in this kind of domain, for example
Post(PostId [primary key], SenderId)

ImagePost(PostId [foreign to Post(PostId)], Url)

TextPost(PostId [foreign to Post(PostId), Text)

so both TextPost and ImagePost inherits Post, ofc u can have one big fat table with nullable columns (attributes) but its bad cuz now u lose these invariants (conditions and relations that always have to be true)

also in the database world, we call tables for data schemes, i don’t know why but yea

annoying

[buoyant viper]

my actual comp sci course was VB and SQL and i think? Java near the end of it

[clever zephyr]

not in egypt man xD

[echo basalt]

my course was also comp sci related which means we did python, php and C#

[buoyant viper]

i wish i remembered the SQL stuff but i havent had something ive made that needed to use it

[echo basalt]

and yeah we also did sql at the end

and nosql

mongo n shit

I skipped half my lessons I don't remember much

[buoyant viper]

i wish it was C#, i ended up teaching myself c# a couple years later anyway, and who the fuck uses VB in enterprise

[ivory sleet]

Ye vb is crazy

[echo basalt]

we also tinkered with arduinos

[young knoll]

We did SQL and then SQL: Oracle flavour

For some reason

[echo basalt]

around the end I realized my course was webdev oriented

and they released an iot focused course that actually does java

[clever zephyr]

VB is pure shit

[echo basalt]

and they want me to host a workshop next year

[buoyant viper]

i think we also did webdev in.. adobe dreamweaver?

[ivory sleet]

:,)

[clever zephyr]

Bro the application cannot close automatically, you NEED TO SPECIFY THE CLOSE SCRIPT When the user clicks on the CLOSE BUTTON

OMG

[buoyant viper]

skill issue

[clever zephyr]

the most triggering shit ever

I hate that lang

[buoyant viper]

triggering (the Close event)

[ivory sleet]

Lol alright, but liiiike, the close button is fake anyway

Usually just an event no?

And then the app has to terminate gracefully by listening to that event

[buoyant viper]

its like a Close Request at most

fr

[ivory sleet]

i speaking in general ^^

[clever zephyr]

Like why the fuck should i do everything by myself from scratch in that language to construct a SIMPLE UI

frrr

[ivory sleet]

That’s true

[buoyant viper]

idk man i write Swing guis

i already hate myself enough

[clever zephyr]

Never try VB

[ivory sleet]

😃

[clever zephyr]

Swing is wayyy better compared to VB

[buoyant viper]

i already did bc of school 😭

never again

C# >

[clever zephyr]

Good for your mental health

[buoyant viper]

just plain old fuckin C# >>>

[ivory sleet]

is VB worse than like JavaScript or webserver PHP?

[clever zephyr]

Even JS is better

PHP , idk i didn't use it much

[ivory sleet]

🥹

[buoyant viper]

now dogging on JS was just uncalled for

[ivory sleet]

Lol

[buoyant viper]

but yeah VB is just

[clever zephyr]

TypeScript >>

[buoyant viper]

theres no reason it needed to exist

[clever zephyr]

I'm amazed they haven't deleted it from existence yet

[buoyant viper]

its literally backed by C# IL bytecode iirc

like for all intents and purposes im 90% certain its a subset of C#

[clever zephyr]

@ivory sleet also, VB's access modifiers are so fucked up

their logic is weird

[ivory sleet]

😅

[young knoll]

C#? pfft I do programming not music

[ivory sleet]

F# then?

[clever zephyr]

when N#

[young knoll]

I did VB 6 back in highschool

[ivory sleet]

One day🙏

[young knoll]

Which is oddly fitting because VB 6 came out the same year I did

Out of the womb that is, not the closet

[buoyant viper]

yeah wikipedia literally says they compile down to the same kind of bytecode

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_C_Sharp_and_Visual_Basic_.NET

[ivory sleet]

That’s kinda nice tho?

[young knoll]

I’d rather use C# tho

[ivory sleet]

I thought you were a musician

[young knoll]

VB may be in second place, but why bother with second place when you can use first place

[clever zephyr]

the only thing i hate about C#
is that they don't do the same naming patterns as java in methods

[ivory sleet]

tbh they used to back in the days when C# had just skidded entirety of Java

[clever zephyr]

Camel case >>

[ivory sleet]

then to avoid getting caught, they switched some stuff including those naming conventions (lore accurate 97%)

[buoyant viper]

my issue with C# is generics but its bc 1. theres no type erasure like in Java (iirc) and 2. im just kinda Stupid (skill issue)

[ivory sleet]

that’s fair

Type erasure works beautifully WHEN IT WORKS

[young knoll]

C# also forces you to prefix your interfaces with I

[ivory sleet]

erhmmm Haskell

[buoyant viper]

LOL

based

[slender elbow]

excuse me what

[young knoll]

Well, not forces, but visual studio will get angry with you

[slender elbow]

okay nvm

[ivory sleet]

Does it force you, or just convention because u cant see the difference when u implement/extend?

[young knoll]

John Microsoft will come to your house

And burn it down

[buoyant viper]

oh, thats just VS being ass as usual then

[young knoll]

I mean it must be part of conventions then

You will I your interface and you will like it

[buoyant viper]

gonna write a Java compiler that enforces that

[ivory sleet]

🤨

[young knoll]

Make it enforce UpperCamelCase too

I totally don’t write methods in normal camelCase and then wind up with visual studio going “UwU I smell a naming rule violation this method must start with a capital :3”

[ivory sleet]

you would never

[young knoll]

It’s a habit!

[empty comet]

Hi; so I'm trying to code better (even if it's not really required because my plugins are small) and i'm currently trying to have a better solution for gui's, i'm an old-school getTitle person, but apparently it's been long-gone, but i found confusing answers on the forum (about getHolder mostly), so what's the "good" way to do simple gui's now?

[young knoll]

?gui

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-modern-approach-to-inventory-guis.594005/

[ivory sleet]

InventoryView iirc

Map<InventoryView,Blah>
Where Blah is additional menu data

[clever zephyr]

I would personally recommend you to use my simple GUI lib which works for all versions
https://github.com/Mqzn/Lotus
You can also try and make smth similar from the scratch by following the link Jishuna provided.

[ivory sleet]

and then u add the entry on inventory open, and u remove it on inventory close

[clever zephyr]

I don't do it that way tho
I cache the uuid to a view

[ivory sleet]

oh yea that might work too

[empty comet]

i'll check those three out, thank you ! 👋

it does seems a lot compared to the old ways tho lmao x)

[ivory sleet]

old ways is basically inventory holder right?

[clever zephyr]

but yk, the view constructed is not actually from InventoryView it's a custom class called MenuView i made

[ivory sleet]

or just map some inventory instance instead of inventory view

[clever zephyr]

The menu view i made wraps around the inventory instance and some other data

[empty comet]

Honestly i always hid data i needed inside items data containers, so i just used getTitle, and that's it x)

[ivory sleet]

💀

[empty comet]

It's the worse way possible, but it worked (and it wasn't laggy)

[young knoll]

Flashback to that one anticheat

[ivory sleet]

Well tbh titles are like, doable, but its quite obvious what the issues are w them

[clever zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-udder-gif-14230532

Best meme

if it works it works mate

[ivory sleet]

That’s fair, was more thinking if u wna have an inventory per player, or one static shared inventory for all players for a given menu ^^ - being able to pick

[young knoll]

Until someone renames a chest

[clever zephyr]

an inventory per player is less error prone ngl

[ivory sleet]

It depends

[young knoll]

If the inventory never changes

There’s no reason to have one per player

[ivory sleet]

Static ones can save a lot of footprint

[empty comet]

that's why there was always an item i checked first with a metadata specifically created for it, never had a problem honestly

[young knoll]

Of course the moment you want to update something based on the players permissions or whatnot, you probably want them seperate

[clever zephyr]

From my personal experience , I have tried both approaches, an inventory per player is less error prone in all cases
Static ones are really prone to bugs when the inventories are changed alot yk
tbh in most use cases, the per player would win

[ivory sleet]

How are they bug prone

[empty comet]

true, but my menus are so simple, never needed it.

[ivory sleet]

Like static ones are kinda like when u have a static web page and u render it server sidedly - once

[clever zephyr]

I remember that i encountered some weird bugs while Updating the menu contents for all the gui players

[young knoll]

That’s not static

[clever zephyr]

Oh wait you meant static inventory contents ?

or like the code design itself ?

[young knoll]

In my case I meant static contents

[clever zephyr]

Okay that's not bug prone
What i meant is, creating the API design based on 1 menu for several players

[ivory sleet]

for example a set of menus to view online players

[clever zephyr]

instead of per player view entries

[eager crescent]

Wait if I wanna find a dev where do I look?

[ivory sleet]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[eager crescent]

oh bet

[ivory sleet]

Yes that’s what we’re talking about

and its not bug prone per say

maybe it was like back in some early snapshot version of some spigot/paper build

[clever zephyr]

You gave me a great update idea to my lib

[ivory sleet]

😅

[clever zephyr]

i will make a static menus API without the player context

saves performance for static inventories instead of always making them dynamic

[clever zephyr]

don't try 1.8

[ivory sleet]

For example we have static menus for auction house pages, and we also pool it since usually some specific sides (like the first couple of pages) will tend to be opened by lots frequently

[ivory sleet]

[ivory sleet]

That’s fair, and on click/open u can still track it

like the clicker

:P

[clever zephyr]

ye exactly

[young knoll]

I tend to always build my inventories when needed

Idk if it would be better to keep them in memory mapped to the owners uuids

[clever zephyr]

Worked for me perfectly

[ivory sleet]

Yea, well having a variety of cache policies can be nice

Like avoiding to rerender contents is always nice

but ofc, if its truly helping w performance by any significant means

[clever zephyr]

Agreed

btw, I want your opinion on my pagination system that i made months ago
Here's the package
https://github.com/Mqzn/Lotus/tree/master/src/main/java/io/github/mqzen/menus/base/pagination

If you're free ofc

[eager crescent]

Am I allowed to talk abt it here

[echo basalt]

crzy

[clever zephyr]

no and no

[eager crescent]

shi mb then

[clever zephyr]

its okay

[ivory sleet]

For pagination, I assume you paginate over an indexed list of items?

[eager crescent]

ye idk cuz I Js joined

[clever zephyr]

yea i do

[echo basalt]

oo we're talking about menu libs

[ivory sleet]

Ye

[echo basalt]

gotta get some inspiration

[empty comet]

welp, after checking out everything, i am absolutely lost lmao, i'm too bad/dumb to understand anything

[echo basalt]

making mine w nms slots code's awful

doing it with an event-driven approach

[empty comet]

also it seems to be very complicated just to do 2/3 menu when the only thing that changes are some lore x)

[echo basalt]

menu.subscribe(MenuAction.CLICK_SLOT, (action) -> {
....
})

[clever zephyr]

https://github.com/Mqzn/Lotus/blob/master/src/main/java/io/github/mqzen/menus/base/pagination/PaginationImpl.java
this is the main class for it

i have 2 modes for pagination
one for automatic pages (dynamic pages)
one for manually made pages by the user.

[ivory sleet]

I like it, unsure if it scales well with lets say 10k items, let alone if u wna allow ascending, descending etc

[eager crescent]

well I’m not necessarily trying to learn, I’m just making a smp server like donutsmp but I need the dev for it and will pay too. I like my chances cuz I have a server w 5k members so I see potential

But ye delete my message if it’s not allowed

[ivory sleet]

But looks like u got it quite nice and fitting w the rest of the menu api

[clever zephyr]

tried it on 25K once , went smooth

[young void]

go to spigot page and send a request

job announcement or something it was?

[eager crescent]

Where it at

[ivory sleet]

Ah nice, how do you deal with rendering if I frequently add and remove items ?

[eager crescent]

What do I search

[echo basalt]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[clever zephyr]

I still haven't made dynamic rendering of added/removes items/page-components
but planning to do like very soon

[young void]

i could probably do it but im busy for the next few weeks with a project. you can ask questions in my dm tho

[ivory sleet]

That’s fair, well its a good start, obv some feature are TBA then I presume? Sorting modes and rerenderability etc, but very nice

[clever zephyr]

Yea, I already have these two on my TODO list for the lib

[earnest girder]

I have a custom respawn screen where players choose whether to spawn at their bed, their house, world spawn, etc.

On PlayerRespawnEvent, they are teleported to a dummy location and presented with the custom respawn GUI

The problem is that whether or not gamerule doImmediateRespawn is true, they always spawn at their bed spawnpoint and see themselves there for a split second before they are teleported and taken to the custom respawn screen

Is there a way to prevent this? Can I skip the automatic bed respawn entirely instead of teleporting them after the fact?

[young void]

i think eventpriority.high would fix it

[earnest girder]

ah lemme try

[eager crescent]

You’re a dev?

[clever zephyr]

The most useful feature i find is the FillRange for the pages
Which lets you determine the filling of items per page, where it starts and where it ends

[echo basalt]

I don't really like doing my menu filling stuff like that ngl

[ivory sleet]

mye useful utility

[echo basalt]

At least for my use-case menus should always be configurable

[clever zephyr]

there's also the default-contents per page
which is separated from the page's items

[young void]

yes

[clever zephyr]

best use case for the default-contents would be fancy panes for the pages

[echo basalt]

writing a nice API to hardcode menus is an approach but most customers actually like to mess around w the layout

[ivory sleet]

Given its you illusion, I’d assume u got some interesting business and technical requirements as per usual?

[echo basalt]

They always need to be configurable and flexible enough to do whatever you want

[clever zephyr]

my lib also provides a serialization api

[echo basalt]

currently rewriting my lib because the other business req I need is the ability to do per-slot logic

[young void]

tell me if it fixed it

[echo basalt]

Like this slot only accepts this item

and then it changes this slot to confirm it's inserted type shit

[ivory sleet]

Ah I see

[echo basalt]

I'm also considering adding menu animations

[eager crescent]

Could I dm u or nah

[young knoll]

Making the entire menu customizable sounds annoying

[young void]

yeah go ahead

[echo basalt]

It's not THAT crazy

[young knoll]

That’s a lot of information you’d have to provide

[clever zephyr]

iirc i also added buttons animations system

[ivory sleet]

?kick 1266183754989305867 use ?services as aforementioned

[undone axle]

Done. That felt good.

[clever zephyr]

Well said babe

[young knoll]

Item type, item amount, item name, item lore, all the various fancy item components, etc

[clever zephyr]

btw is it possible to make dynamic menus configurable ?

[young void]

f

[ivory sleet]

Or do we just pull a DFU call w bukkit config DynamicOps :000

[young void]

what does your lib do?

[young knoll]

It’s possible to make anything configurable if you’re dedicated enough

[ivory sleet]

well, Im sorry if I scared away ur customer, just not the place to be begging yk

[eager crescent]

yo

[echo basalt]

It doesn't need to be crazy crazy crazy

I just use an item builder that has like

config codecs as I call em

[eager crescent]

Wasn’t begging but ye

[echo basalt]

pair that with a mask + some hardcoded identifiers

and most menus get pretty basic

[young knoll]

Feck it, just implement jshell and let the user program the entire menu themself

[echo basalt]

Current (OLD 3+ year old) API

[young void]

no biggie