like, really mass pasting
#help-development
torn shuttle
sullen marlin
isn't it because it keeps a history of that to undo
lilac dagger
just one undo
torn shuttle
I specifically made sure to not keep a history for this one
young knoll
Are you using we to place your rooms?
torn shuttle
yeah because I am building it on top of the betterstructures stack
sullen marlin
no he's using us
young knoll
Blah
pseudo hazel
he is using your mom, thats why the memory is full
young knoll
I just made my own schematic importing and placement system
sullen marlin
that's a scam
torn shuttle
is it
sullen marlin
if you look at the type setting code without physics, it's pretty much identical
lilac dagger
yup
torn shuttle
because I am pasting via WE without physics and it's dreadfully slow
but that I can change easily
torn shuttle
thing is I don't care about players
young knoll
Does the game not automatically batch that?
torn shuttle
they're not even going to be in the world until it's fully generated
young knoll
I figured it would
torn shuttle
if i could I'd just write the chunk files myself
sullen marlin
pretty sure it does batch
young knoll
You can write to the palette directly
lilac dagger
i haven't found a batch solution
young knoll
You’ll save the overhead of several function calls, but it won’t magically be 100x faster
torn shuttle
I thought the datapalette trick could be done in async though
can you set blocks in async? that doesn't sound right
torn shuttle
so wouldn't the datapalette be inherently much faster
I could just write my 100m blocks instantly and let the thread take care of it without blocking anything
young knoll
That’s basically what the api does
torn shuttle
I could be wrong but I am assuming here that if I do setblock 100m times in sync it will crash the server
young knoll
Just with a few function calls
torn shuttle
am I wrong?
young knoll
I believe the api method calls the internal method in the chunk, which then calls the internal method in the palette
torn shuttle
but I can't call setblock in async can I
torn shuttle
same question
if I dump 100m operations in sync on a tick I am definitely going to crash it
right?
so even if the same methods are ultimately being called somewhere the fact I can't do it in async would kill it, unless I am mistaken and you can't modify datapalette in async (I've been told you can)
young knoll
Try it I suppose
torn shuttle
which part
young knoll
Modifying the palette async
lilac dagger
it sounds like it should work in async
if all the chunks are generated and preloaded before the async can do its magic
sullen marlin
why not just do it as a chunk generator
chunk generators can be async and will be safe (and fast)
lilac dagger
that is the best idea tho
yeah a chunk generator is the way to go
it'll probably require a lot of positional information
torn shuttle
how do I tell a chunk generator to use the exact blocks I have there
lilac dagger
how does mojang handle structures?
it might be worth looking into that
i think it's base land generation and then structures no?
torn shuttle
how would this even work
lilac dagger
i don't thnk it'll work for you because of conflicting modules
no idea how a world starts generating
torn shuttle
the only way it could ever work is if I can feed the generator block by block bottom of the world to top of the world every single piece of info because this has to be pre-solved during generation
and then force generate select chunks with this data so I can cull it
sullen marlin
pregenerate it and then just have the chunk generator "translate" from your pregeneration into the world?
lilac dagger
pretty good idea actually
young knoll
But doesn’t that just result in you doing it twice
Once to make the pregen and then once to translate it
lilac dagger
not actually working with the blocks in first step
young knoll
Since this is random you can’t just pregen a single world ahead of time
pseudo hazel
ayo, does anyone know a better way to revoke all advancements of a player without using a command or looping through progress
I assume looping through progress is how its done on the server side anyways, but jut making sure im not missing something easier
torn shuttle
pregenerate it and then just have the chunk generator "translate" from your preg...
ok but how
do I get all the blocks in a chunk, somehow load them up into... something and then feed it to the generator and force load a chunk?
floral drum
sullen marlin
looks like a map generator to me
torn shuttle
I recommend you select circuit-modified for the closest representation
the problem is when the collapsing fails it can shift what the solution ends up being
so it's not a linear generator
torn shuttle
yeah I have the abstract pregen that handles this part of it
right so how do I do that second part
I have the block data for the entire map ready to load from the schematic modules
sullen marlin
add a chunk generator that just reads your pregenerated solution
sullen marlin
just override one of the generateX methods in ChunkGenerator and copy your pregenerated stuff into the chunkData argument
torn shuttle
ok and how does this end up being faster than pasting it into the world the normal way, is chunkgenerator inherently async or something?
sullen marlin
yes, and it will also not need to do any of the other tasks such as lighting updates used with a real world
torn shuttle
gotcha, I'll give it a spin then
worldly ingot
Are you using we to place your rooms?
Could have sworn at first glance you wrote "Are you using we to place your mom?"
Thought that was really rude :(
wraith delta
Could have sworn at first glance you wrote "Are you using we to place your mom?"
too heavy, we couldnt do it (im joking)
torn shuttle
if I want to load a world sequentially can I just modify my, say, structure override by loading it with specific data from a list and then manually load that chunk and move on to the next one?
young knoll
Huh I wonder if I could handle my dungeon system that way
What do you use to store the pregenerated data
young knoll
Is it just a list of (x, y, z, Block)
torn shuttle
I can't realistically hold the full blocks
I can convert for each chunk every time but I can't just hold all of that data
young knoll
Mmm
You could have a palette and hold the palette Id for the block
Heck the game technically already has a mapping for int -> block state
torn shuttle
avoiding the palette is the whole point of this otherwise I could just use nms to write the entire thing in one go
young knoll
Mmm yeah I don’t think the api exposes the block state map
You could make your own ig
quaint mantle
when did bungee first launch?
pseudo hazel
why there no normal ass logger in java
I just want a separate logger that writes lines of text into a file
besides the main logger of the plugin
but all I can find is either some logger with .xml setup stuff or java's logger, which keeps making .lck and log.1, log.2 files to hell and back
remote swallow
slf4j, log4j
pseudo hazel
I just want to have a class that creates or appends to a singular file
I cant find any good example of those
sly topaz
you'd just use a log appender for that
pseudo hazel
they all use stupid xml setup scripts
pseudo hazel
you'd just use a log appender for that
do you have an example of that?
exotic owl
very odd question, but is there any instructions to compile spigot for 1.4.7?
i'm assuming the bukkit/craftbukkit submodules may have been screwed by the dmcas?
undone axleBOT
remote swallow
earliest is like 1.8
exotic owl
is it not in buildtools?
sadly seems to not have any verisons prior to 1.8
pseudo hazel
ah
well then you are out of luck
but 1.4.7 was so simple that you can probably write a server implementation in a weekend
young knoll
I mean the downloads for it do exist
pseudo hazel
there was only like dirt
exotic owl
but 1.4.7 was so simple that you can probably write a server implementation in a...
already spent way too much time trying to port beta 1.7.3's server to c++, going to take a break when it comes to projects like that
😅
pseudo hazel
lmao
fair
anyways does anyone have any examples of a simple logger that just logs some messages to a single specified file when I want
before I go out and just punch one together myself
simple things in the rest of the world seem to be convoluted in java land sadly
buoyant viper
have u considered using a FileWriter at that point
exotic owl
i'm assuming the bukkit/craftbukkit submodules may have been screwed by the dmca...
yeah, can't seem to find the (exact) versions of craftbukkit/bukkit that i would prefer
disregard what i said above
👍
pseudo hazel
have u considered using a FileWriter at that point
yeah thats what im about to do because everything else is just more complicated
buoyant viper
yeah thats what im about to do because everything else is just more complicated
it is now ur job to create the simple logger library
pseudo hazel
yeah
it has been like this for the past year
with the minecraft api's and java in general
stumble on some overcomplicated way to do something stupid
find out there are a billion existing libraries that are all overcomplicated
java is not made for me
atleast packetevents and placeholder are easy to use
but quite a few times its also just api that doesnt exist for some weird reason
so then you have to make a workaround
and everyone (including me) makes their own dumb ways of writing those workarounds
but I guess thats programming on API's in general
sly topaz
I don't know why you are relating this to java tbh
programming for a somewhat niche platform will always have its rough edges, but that is what makes is fun
pseudo hazel
yes you are right
im just being salty because my log folder is getting spammed by .lck files and new log files
with no actual way of turning it off
sly topaz
.lck files?
eternal oxide
you only get stray .lck files when the process crashes with open file handles
sly topaz
that's what is confusing me, your server shouldn't be exiting that way lol
blazing ocean
sigkill moment
worthy yarrow
sigkill moment
So late
blazing ocean
2:04 am
worthy yarrow
Soooooo late
pseudo hazel
well /reload does not give a fuck
I know /reload isnt supported
but its not what I want
but I have fixed the issue
by writing a class that writes text to a file
sly topaz
@pseudo hazel have you figured out how to write to a separate log file
because apparently you just had to add a file handler
pseudo hazel
that dont work
the file hander is what messes it up
I want to write to one file always
no matter what happened
so even if the server crashed, I want to keep writing to that file
but like I said I worked around it by just using a FileWriter
sly topaz
why did the file handler not work for you
pseudo hazel
well it created .lck files it wouldnt delete always
and for some forsaken reason it still made a new log file anyways
even if there was no .lck file
blazing ocean
isn't this just a windows moment
pseudo hazel
probably
blazing ocean
i've never had issues when i don't close my streams 
(arch btw)
sly topaz
why is it creating lck files, how are you closing your server lol
blazing ocean
i thought there was something something linux closing unclosed file handles
sly topaz
ah, welp
pseudo hazel
but thats besides the point
I could just nuke the server and then the .lck files stay as well
sly topaz
it is not beside the point, you shouldn't use reload
sly topaz
hotswapping 🔛🔝
blazing ocean
💯
pseudo hazel
more like notswapping
remote swallow
kotlin hotswapping is so fun
blazing ocean
i thought there was something something linux closing unclosed file handles
if I leave my file streams open my os just closes them for me
i believe
sly topaz
it is really painless to setup, don't know why people find it so daunting
all you have to do is download Jetbrains's Runtime, JBR then add a few JVM flags as well as the debug ones and you're done
blazing ocean
if I leave my file streams open my os just closes them for me
i've not had quite the same experience with windows however (@shadow night would know 🧌)
sly topaz
you can setup hotswapagent if you want to be fancy but eh, it isn't necessary for spigot development
sly topaz
i've not had quite the same experience with windows however (<@63790828901498880...
windows closes file handles just fine
blazing ocean
just a simple attached debugger works
pseudo hazel
but still, that does not take away from the fact that it still leaves the files of the server crashes, or just makes another log file regardless
blazing ocean
windows closes file handles just fine
well they were apparently still used by the then closed process
sly topaz
if the process is closed, file handles are discarded
the issue is when the process isn't closed properly rather
blazing ocean
SIGTERM is closing properly
sly topaz
which can happen often in windows since you don't have much of an insight of whether things were actually closed
remote swallow
it is really painless to setup, don't know why people find it so daunting
last time i used kotlin hotswap i had to disable like 3 plugins and do random stuff to enable some other stuff
remote swallow
idk it was weird
sly topaz
I mean, don't know if kotlin affects it at all, I am not a meth addict
blazing ocean
it does not
remote swallow
java hotswapping is great
sly topaz
I use java like a sane, recovered addict
blazing ocean
not a meth addict? smh
sly topaz
not a meth addict? smh
stop the cap
blazing ocean
@sly topaz do you not like this stuff
buoyant viper
why SIGTERM when u can SIGKILL 😎
sly topaz
I'd rather read yandere simulator's code
blazing ocean
why SIGTERM when u can SIGKILL 😎
i often killall -9 java
just because intellij moment
buoyant viper
i simply sudo reboot
blazing ocean
cbf to reboot
sly topaz
just let it leak™️
sly topaz
welp, I gotta cook
buoyant viper
thats Also what she said?
pseudo hazel
which can happen often in windows since you don't have much of an insight of whe...
yeah so there is not a good reason to use the java logger then
sly topaz
I was trying something out but welp, I couldn't remember how one was supposed to get the log4j Logger instance
I suppose I could get the parent but I cba now that you already worked around your thing
in Paper it is even worse since they use slf4j, which is annoying when trying to do anything logging framework specific and support spigot
sly topaz
np, I was just curious if it was possible to dynamically add an appender anyway
it probably is, I just didn't dig deep enough
had to comment out a shit ton of code just to make it run in Spigot, didn't notice how Paper dependent my test plugin was
blazing ocean
just let it leak™️
that's what I do till I notice it
anyway going to eep now it's 2:54am
pseudo hazel
yeah well to tell you the truth I am making a paper plugin
blazing ocean
?whereami ?whereami ?whereami moment
undone axleBOT
pseudo hazel
but figured might as well ask here since logging should be a basic thing
but I guess logging is rocket science
blazing ocean
fancy println
restive mango
I know this is a dumb question, but how do I put a plugin I am developing into my .m2 so another plugin I am working on can depend on it?
I know this is a basic baby question but it's hard to find info on it
remote swallow
maven or gradle
restive mango
maven
remote swallow
run the maven install goal
buoyant viper
mvn install
sly topaz
just add the jar as a dependency 🗣️
buoyant viper
NOOOOOOOO
summer halo
very new to this, tried following tutorials to get started, the tutorial i found seems super helpful up until the point i need to run the plugin for the first time. his run button is immediately able to be used when he makes the project, mine can't be clicked. says "the file in the editor is not runnable". i assume its set to run the single file i have open and not the entire project? what do i need to do?
sly topaz
very new to this, tried following tutorials to get started, the tutorial i found...
plugins aren't executables
you need to put it in the plugins folder and start up a server
whatever tutorial you watched probably had a run configuration setup beforehand
you can either setup one too, or if you are using a build system like gradle (which I hope you are), you can use a gradle plugin like jpenilla's run-task to automatically copy the compiled jar and boot up a server
if you don't know any of what the above message says, then don't bother with it too much yet. You'll eventually learn it
summer halo
ok i think i see. i can run maven build, which makes a plugin jar, then i put that in my test server
summer halo
thanks
torn shuttle
hm
I wonder
it seems like potentially creating .... over 1 million text displays might be using some memory
that's kinda lame mojang
only .24gb though so where the hell is this leakcoming from
what is synchedentitydata$dataitem
I have 16 million instances of that taking up .5gb
actually why are they never unloading from memory either
buoyant viper
bro made 1 million text displays and complained they have a sizeable memory footprint!??!
fading drift
is it bad to have multiple listeners on the same event just for breaking up the classes into what they’re used for
worthy yarrow
No
summer halo
how would i constantly clear specific items from a players inventory when they have a certain tag (im assuming scoreboardtags act like tags from the /tag command? correct me if im wrong or if theres a better alternative)
drowsy helm
how would i constantly clear specific items from a players inventory when they h...
just use pdc and scan the inventory for the specific tag
summer halo
what is pdc
drowsy helm
?pdc
drowsy helm
spigot nbt wrapper
torn shuttle
sadge
turns out placing 1133932 barrels is bad for memory
wtf mojang
unplayable game
torn shuttle
and then he died
man
this is slow
ok well 53 minutes to generate
that's not good
nova notch
turns out placing 1133932 barrels is bad for memory
what the fuck
torn shuttle
I feel like I'm going crazy because the references are not going away
so it's just keeping all of them loaded
why would it even do that
fading drift
is there an event I can cancel to prevent a person being set on fire
not just the damage
nova notch
fire resistance?
fading drift
dont want the client to see
also I think you still get the fire effect even if you ahve fire resistance
yeah u do
nova notch
i found this but i idk what combust is supposed to mean
https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/event/entity/EntityCombustEvent.html
but maybe
maybe im just stupid and dont know what combust means
yeah my ass needs to go back to english class, this is definitely it
fading drift
got it just by setting fire ticks to 0 during entity damage event with the reason of fire or fire ticks
nova notch
thats definitely what i wouldve done too, offbrand entity combust event
torn shuttle
is there a good way to profile async cpu performance
echo basalt
is there a good way to profile async cpu performance
I'd start by uh
figuring out raw numbers / sec
Like knowing how many blocks per sec you're pasting
torn shuttle
it's not for the paste
it's for the gen
got it down from like 18 minutes to 1:03 but I'd like to push it down even further
especially since it's for a test radius and the full thing is still close to like 40 minutes if we're going for a really big size (not sure I will use that though)
lilac dagger
1 min is noice
torn shuttle
yeah the original version of this could do this radius in less than a second unfortunately
it was even faster than what I currently had even for a 50 radius
torn shuttle
the original version only had to account for modules of identical sizes
this version handles compound modules
lilac dagger
ah
torn shuttle
which is much worse than having to handle modules of different sizes too
since compound modules can be both flexible and inflexible at the same time
I am sort of regreting the way I implemented it though
and might revert it
on paper it's really neat, in practice it's massively slow and turns out to be very tricky to get builders to build for it correctly
this would be so much easier even if it was just bigger modules trying to mesh with smaller ones
lilac dagger
if i was to make such a generator, i would try to use the power of cubes to make meta modules, that always meet at certain points
and somehow have the outer borders of these meta modules fit like puzzle pieces to other meta modules
torn shuttle
half the point of this system is to not be forced to do something like that
this exact same generator can also generate cities
lilac dagger
oh yeah
torn shuttle
all the same generator, though those were using an older version of the code
and are a bit basic
lilac dagger
but i think the surface can be done separately from the dungeon structures
proud badge
bump
lilac dagger
format maybe?
lilac dagger
pretty sure it says the size below upload
proud badge
it dont
anyways i used to be able to upload any image I want, idk why its asking me to resize now
halcyon hemlock
hows everyone odin
proud badge
yes
lilac dagger
no idea what odin is
lilac dagger
so in that case my odin is fine i guess
shadow night
i've not had quite the same experience with windows however (<@63790828901498880...
Please close the git client
Use a try-with-resources or something but close the fucking git client
The git client instance won't be gc'd because it isn't closed and while it isn't closed it will be holding onto files in .git blocking other git clients from opening
It isn't about windows not closing file streams, it's about windows holding onto open files. Your linux isn't closing them either until the java process is stopped, but your linux is also not preventing the opening of the same file multiple times while it is still open
And not closing closeables is always a bad idea
zealous osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008771253747855401/1289506649660325888/2...
is that wave function collapse?
lilac dagger
yeah ^
zealous osprey
neat
young knoll
Is this the new and improved custom chunk generator version
wet breach
with no actual way of turning it off
this is happening because the associated logger is not being closed
it is not an OS related thing rather a code issue
for(Handler h:log.getHandlers())
{
h.close(); //must call h.close or a .LCK file will remain.
}
an example of where lck files are coming from
charred saddle
?
spiral light
<dependency>
<groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
<artifactId>spigot</artifactId>
<version>1.21.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
<classifier>remapped-mojang</classifier>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>
what is wrong with this
when i get this error:
i just build the server jar like every time before ^^
sullen marlin
Did you run build tools --remapped
spiral light
always like this: java -Xms512M -Xmx2024M -jar BuildTools.jar --dev --remapped
somehow removing "--dev" worked
chrome beacon
You need to use JDK 21
summer gale
You need to use JDK 21
its mandatory or optional?
chrome beacon
If you want to support older versions you can set an older release target
wet breach
its mandatory or optional?
certain versions require a certain minimum java version, in this case 1.21 requires jdk 21
summer gale
Ok, so JDK 21 and above right?
wet breach
right
summer gale
thanks
spiral light
why do i get the error cannot access net.minecraft.world.level.block.Block
at: import net.minecraft.world.level.block.Block;
it worked in older versions without any problem and the class is not private or smth at all:
public class Block extends BlockBehaviour implements ItemLike {
chrome beacon
why do i get the error ```cannot access net.minecraft.world.level.block.Block```...
Make sure you're using Java 21
and that you have nms added to the project correcttly
spiral light
<groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
<artifactId>spigot</artifactId>
<version>1.21.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
<classifier>remapped-mojang</classifier>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>```
should be correct... the imports are not red marked or smth ... but i use java 23 ... i guess that might be a problem then ?Update the maven plugins
also you seem to have multiple java versions specified in that pom
spiral light
is there a easy way to update the versions ?
spiral light
i dont know the new version but lucky for me its showing me valid versions
chrome beacon
Intellij should only show versions you've used before
and are in your local maven repo
They're not necessarily up to date
spiral light
i guess it worked now, thanks
(updatet to highest version available and removed <configuration> <source>16</source> <target>16</target> </configuration>
from <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId> <version>3.13.0</version> <configuration> <source>16</source> <target>16</target> </configuration> </plugin>
chrome beacon
You can just remove that entire plugin if you don't want to use it
(which you're not doing with the configuration removed)
spiral light
hmmm i dont know why it exists but thanks again
chrome beacon
It exists to set what java version to compile and target
so if you're using jdk 23 to compile the plugin is still compatible with Java 21 for example
with it removed you will need a java 23 server
spiral light
probably not working again because language level changes
spiral light
i used some that requeried java 16 but then all imports were not accepted again but no changed to jdk21 it works probably again
bold plume
How do I spawn a persistent Entity in Spigot 1.8?
fading drift
is it possible to change knockback with events?
bold plume
setRemoveWhenFarAway(false)
This is for LivingEntity only
young knoll
Normal entities don’t despawn
bold plume
So why are they despawning?
young knoll
Idk, gonna need more info
young knoll
is it possible to change knockback with events?
EntityKnockbackEvent
bold plume
Idk, gonna need more info
I just spawn an entity
I'll try to remove a plugin but I doubt it's him
Maybe it's not ticksAlived?
bold plume
When is it despawning
I think it's when I move away I'll confirm now
Players say it's when I walk away but I think it has to do with ticksAlived
chrome beacon
Did you make a custom entity
bold plume
Did you make a custom entity
wdym custom entity
glossy laurel
dont you need mods for that
chrome beacon
no
glossy laurel
well then you should probably make a class that extends entity
chrome beacon
as long as it looks like a vanilla mob to the client it's fine
bold plume
your own entity class
Im using EnderCrystal.class
chrome beacon
Show us how you're spawning it
also make sure you're not outside of the render distance
glossy laurel
well then you should probably make a class that extends entity
nvm I thought @chrome beacon you were asking the question
same pfp
bold plume
EnderCrystal mob = (EnderCrystal) loc.getWorld().spawnEntity(loc, EntityType.ENDER_CRYSTAL);
mob.setCustomName("Custom Mob");
chrome beacon
Use the spawn method that accepts a consumer if you want to modify it
bold plume
Use the spawn method that accepts a consumer if you want to modify it
modify with what method?
chrome beacon
Modify inside the consumer
glossy laurel
"1.8 is 10 years old 🤓"
glossy laurel
All the stats showed that 1.8.8 was barely played anymore
fr?
chrome beacon
b-but Hypixel
glossy laurel
which stats
bold plume
spawn method
idk what u saying
lilac dagger
The bstats
bold plume
im using spawn method
chrome beacon
idk what u saying
The method is called spawn
bold plume
let me see
glossy laurel
The bstats
hypixel's the only 1.8 server
bold plume
Entity.spawn()?
glossy laurel
and it prolly disabled it
chrome beacon
world#spawn
glossy laurel
did 1.8 have bukkit runnable still
chrome beacon
yes
glossy laurel
lol
bold plume
world#spawn
Entity#spawnentity isnt the same thing?
chrome beacon
That class should be quite old
glossy laurel
what even is Entity#spawnEntity
glossy laurel
spawn then modify
vs
modify then spawn
it still happens in same tick no?
chrome beacon
Yes but the spawn event won't have your data
bold plume
spawn then modify
vs
modify then spawn
modify what? the customname?
glossy laurel
Yes but the spawn event won't have your data
valid
chrome beacon
and the client might see regular entity flash for a second because it's spawned without the data
glossy laurel
and the client might see regular entity flash for a second because it's spawned ...
spawn at 0 0 0 and then tp
trust
bold plume
the entity
And to be persistent I don't need to set a custom name? Just simply use the method
chrome beacon
EndCrystals don't despawn
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EnderCrystal entity = loc.getWorld().spawn(loc, EnderCrystal.class);
entity.setCustomName("Custom Mob");
entity.setCustomNameVisible(true);
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Use the consumer
glossy laurel
+1
bold plume
EndCrystals don't despawn
I am using ENtity.spawnentity and it is disappearing
glossy laurel
why entity.spawnentity
chrome beacon
I am using ENtity.spawnentity and it is disappearing
Are you outside the render distance of it
bold plume
Are you outside the render distance of it
But I want it not to respawn if it stays far away
glossy laurel
But I want it not to respawn if it stays far away
respawn??
chrome beacon
You're not making much sense
glossy laurel
do you want entities that are in unloaded chunks to stay loaded or something
bold plume
but the issue is that it's despawning
sorry, dspawn**
glossy laurel
But I want it not to respawn if it stays far away
it doesnt
bold plume
the entity is despawning if it stays away I believe, I'm seeing this. I'm seeing if it's when I stay away or when ticksAlived reaches 6000.
bold plume
EndCrystals don't despawn
so how are they desspawning?
chrome beacon
You're doing something to them
bold plume
no
chrome beacon
or they are getting damaged causing them to explode
bold plume
nope
chrome beacon
Are you on a strange fork of fork of fork of fork of fork
bold plume
I believe it is the removal of entities when it reaches 6000 tickslived
chrome beacon
if so make sure that's not the cause
bold plume
Are you on a strange fork of fork of fork of fork of fork
flamepaper
bold plume
I believe it is the removal of entities when it reaches 6000 tickslived
If that's the case, I don't know how to solve it because spigot.yml can't be blacklisted.
chrome beacon
Again they shouldn't be despawning because of that
That would break the end entirely
glossy laurel
the fork probably made some data for end crystals
chrome beacon
^^
bold plume
the fork probably made some data for end crystals
i doubt
glossy laurel
and others just despawn ig
glossy laurel
flamepaper
?whereami
undone axleBOT
bold plume
nope
glossy laurel
nope what
bold plume
it's not ticks alived
glossy laurel
you just told us it was
okay so youre saying
you stop seeing the crystal
wait for X time
go back
and its gone?
bold plume
I can't tell you, I'm unloading the chunk and the console says that the ender crystal chunk was despawned but then when I come back the ender_crystal is there, but on the production server sometimes the ender_crystal disappears and I don't know what they do to make it disappear.
quaint mantle
can i use multiple listeners witout lagging the server? I want have better code structure, so I dont wanna everything to be in one class
grim hound
How can I have a few servers communicate that are linked to the same proxy?
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Database, or plugin messaging
grim hound
Can't use plugin messages, they're empty
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Redis pubsub
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what do you mean empty
chrome beacon
or simillar
glossy laurel
wait why is returning in the middle of code considered good practise?
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Youre supposed to fill them with info
quaint mantle
It's more about what you do in the listeners
it is simple if else, I am implementing new plants, so i want to have one class per each crop
chrome beacon
what do you mean empty
plugin messages don't work when there are no players
glossy laurel
wait why is returning in the middle of code considered good practise?
Wouldnt it be worse when debugging?
quaint mantle
it is simple if else, I am implementing new plants, so i want to have one class ...
just checking via nbt tags if thats the specific plant
chrome beacon
Doesn't sound like a good usecase for multiple listeners
grim hound
Redis pubsub
What's redis exactly?
quaint mantle
Doesn't sound like a good usecase for multiple listeners
so put everything in one class
glossy laurel
plugin messages don't work when there are no players
peak
chrome beacon
What's redis exactly?
an in memory database that can do pubsub messaging
chrome beacon
so put everything in one class
No
grim hound
Pubsub?
quaint mantle
oh I see, use one listener and then call different classes
glossy laurel
I can't tell you, I'm unloading the chunk and the console says that the ender cr...
sounds to me like it just gets unloaded
glossy laurel
oh I see, use one listener and then call different classes
thats what I do. Is this the way?
quaint mantle
thats what I do. Is this the way?
i think it is the best one to have clean code
glossy laurel
👌
wet breach
How can I have a few servers communicate that are linked to the same proxy?
it depends on what it is you want to communicate or the purpose
and whether or not said communication needs to be instant
bold plume
(what did you do to send that message)
chunkunloadevent and check if chunk have ender crystal
If I spawn an entity in an unloaded chunk, will the entity remain in the chunk?
chrome beacon
chunkunloadevent and check if chunk have ender crystal
Then it gets unloaded
not despawned
That's two different things
echo basalt
Wouldnt it be worse when debugging?
Less indentation is easier to read
bold plume
Yes, the entity is not disappearing but for some reason on the production server it is disappearing and players say it is when unloading the chunk
echo basalt
And guard clauses keep the mental gymnastics simple
grim hound
an in memory database that can do pubsub messaging
Do you have a tutorial for the best solution for proxy servers?
And would the address of each server need to be configured manually?
chrome beacon
all of the servers would need to connect to the redis instance
glossy laurel
Less indentation is easier to read
disagreed
blazing ocean
Less indentation is easier to read
glossy laurel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694661573125472256/1270089253485019327/ne...
yes
peak
blazing ocean
no it fucking isn't
glossy laurel
And guard clauses keep the mental gymnastics simple
wasnt multiple returns considered bad practise
glossy laurel
no it fucking isn't
very peak
blazing ocean
no?
glossy laurel
([kat actually found where it's from](<https://github.com/Gl0W1E/TownyPorts/pull...
beautiful 🥹
okay not those return true's
bold plume
I need to update a armorstand in unspawned chunks. What do I do?
chrome beacon
Don't
chrome beacon
There's no need to update it when it's never viewed
bold plume
the hologram is still because I moved away https://imgur.com/a/Gvpv6zH
glossy laurel
I dont think saving holograms only on world is a good idea
bold plume
There's no need to update it when it's never viewed
Yes, and then the armorstand doesn't disappear
bold plume
I dont think saving holograms only on world is a good idea
2 holograms bro
glossy laurel
the hologram is still because I moved away https://imgur.com/a/Gvpv6zH
okay wait
so whats the problem
glossy laurel
why?
bold plume
why?
because when trying to remove an armorstand that is not in a loaded chunk nothing will happen
glossy laurel
update it
chrome beacon
Are you storing a direct reference to the entity
bold plume
Are you storing a direct reference to the entity
no, uuid
glossy laurel
because when trying to remove an armorstand that is not in a loaded chunk nothin...
then dont
make it lazy
bold plume
but to get an armorstand from the uuid I need to go through world.getEntities() and this method returns all the entities that are in loaded chunks
glossy laurel
I think you should save something more than uuid then
or save all armor stands you want to remove in a list
and when theyre loaded remove them
at least thats what I think
chrome beacon
I heard that Lettuce is a better alternative to Redis
Redis is what most people use with their servers which is why I recommended it
grim hound
Redis is what most people use with their servers which is why I recommended it
So does redis need to be installed separately or smthg?
chrome beacon
yes
grim hound
Ah
lilac dagger
I never seen use for redis, I just use sockets
chrome beacon
Sockets work too
grim hound
I never seen use for redis, I just use sockets
I'm just looking for a way to have servers communicate
grim hound
Could you link any of your source code where you use sockets?
lilac dagger
Just look on example about ServerSocket and Socket
Server socket has accept()
That you can use to listen to new clients
And Socket allows you to read input and output
Accept gives you a Socket btw
So far I only figured out how to use a thread per client
grim hound
And Socket allows you to read input and output
So it's a blocking read?
lilac dagger
Yeah
Accept, reading from input and output is blocking
But there's nio sockets too
Which seem super cool if I ever find time to look into them
bold plume
or save all armor stands you want to remove in a list
armorstand references are not maintained
I will always call chunk.load before trying to get the armorstand
glossy laurel
I will always call chunk.load before trying to get the armorstand
??
glossy laurel
yes
I know
thats why you save the uuids of armor stands you want removed in a list if they are unloaded
bold plume
thats why you save the uuids of armor stands you want removed in a list if they ...
but do this check always in chunkunloadevent? It is much more performance to do the check when i want to update the armorstand
glossy laurel
but do this check always in chunkunloadevent? It is much more performance to do ...
what are you saying
what check
chrome beacon
world#getentities only returns entities in loaded chunks bro
Looping getEntities is a bad idea
glossy laurel
that too
chrome beacon
Looping every unloaded chunk is an even worse idea
Imaging a server with thousands of chunks that loop could take over an hour
glossy laurel
🔥
chrome beacon
Instead of tps it's hpt
glossy laurel
dont you just wanna save an armor stand's position
glossy laurel
Instead of tps it's hpt
spt
glossy laurel
dont you just wanna save an armor stand's position
and just load the chunk before removing it
chrome beacon
hours per tick
glossy laurel
and then the armor stands have to get updated every second
and server dies
wait can you actually loop all unloaded chunks somehow
chrome beacon
Nothing stops you from doing that
glossy laurel
nah but like how
chrome beacon
but uh it's not exactly a good idea
glossy laurel
can you get all generated chunks somehow?
bold plume
Looping every unloaded chunk is an even worse idea
I didn't do it
location.getchunk.load is 1 time every second a bad idea?
chrome beacon
Don't do it like that 💀
glossy laurel
dude tell me
chrome beacon
As I've said don't update the armor stand when it's not loaded
chrome beacon
^^
bold plume
As I've said don't update the armor stand when it's not loaded
so I only update if it is to remove
glossy laurel
sure
glossy laurel
what problem
bold plume
Imagine, there is a one minute timer on an armorstand, and when one minute reaches it says a status: enabled or disabled. The timer is going down and then the chunk unloads, so the timer will no longer go down on the armorstand, but it will in my cache. Then when the timer reaches 0 seconds the armorstand is still not updated because the chunk was unloaded and then the chunk is loaded because a player comes close and does not see the changes in the armorstand.
I can update the armorstand line in the chunkloadevent, but I think I will have worse performance than loading the chunk before updating the line.
glossy laurel
I can update the armorstand line in the chunkloadevent, but I think I will have ...
so youre saying that updating an armor stand once its loaded will have worse performance than updating it every second?
Im not follownig
bold plume
so youre saying that updating an armor stand once its loaded will have worse per...
Of course, the chunkloadevent is called +2000 times in a second
and I have to check in each loaded chunk all entities if they contain an armorstand
glossy laurel
and how would you update the armor stand otherwise
bold plume
before getting the armorstand by uuid, load the chunk
glossy laurel
how will you get it by uuid
bold plume
public static List<ArmorStand> getArmorStands(World world) {
List<ArmorStand> list = new ArrayList<>();
for (Object object : ((CraftWorld) world).getHandle().entityList) {
if (object instanceof Entity minecraftEntity) {
org.bukkit.entity.Entity bukkitEntity = minecraftEntity.getBukkitEntity();
if (bukkitEntity instanceof ArmorStand) {
list.add((ArmorStand) bukkitEntity);
}
}
}
return list;
}
slate siren
What can I use to make an item stay in a player's inventory until it breaks, for example I used onPlayerDropItem to prevent them from dropping the item
This is not enough, I also prevented him from falling when he died with onPlayerDeath, but it is still not enough
glossy laurel
public static List<ArmorStand> getArmorStands(World world) {
List<Armor...
how do I put it
youre still looping all entities every second
slate siren
For example, to prevent deletion with the trash command
glossy laurel
except this time its the ones in loaded chunks too
bold plume
youre still looping all entities every second
what's the problem? it's the only way to get an armorstand in the world
glossy laurel
For example, to prevent deletion with the trash command
try to cancel inventory click events if the item gets placed outside the inventory
glossy laurel
what's the problem? it's the only way to get an armorstand in the world
whats the problem?
looping all entities
is the problem
bold plume
looping all entities
what
how do you want to update an armor stand without interacting with entities
iterate through the entities of a chunk in chunkloadevent?
glossy laurel
okay so you dont want to loop all newly loaded entities
so you want to loop all entities instead?
slate siren
try to cancel inventory click events if the item gets placed outside the invento...
Makes sense, let me test it
bold plume
iterate through the entities of a chunk in chunkloadevent?
but this way it is called +1000 times in 1 second. that way it is called every second
glossy laurel
Makes sense, let me test it
dont forget shift clicks
bold plume
okay so you dont want to loop all newly loaded entities
the problem is not the loop but the frequency
glossy laurel
public static List<ArmorStand> getArmorStands(World world) {
List<Armor...
lmao its just kind of a gamble
also
list.add(armorStand);
}```It's better to update an armorstand by interacting world.getentities every 1 second but before interacting, load the chunk (1 call to location.loadchunk every second and interact all loaded entities every second) OR in the chunkloadevent interact all entities in that chunk, check if they contain an armorstand to update and if so, update it (less entities to interact but much more frequently maybe 1000 times per second I don't know but then it distributes the load I don't know?)
Do you prefer the 2nd option?
bold plume
```if (bukkitEntity instanceof ArmorStand armorStand) {
list...
what the problem
glossy laurel
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting world.getentities every 1 sec...
what I would do is store all chunks that contain armor stands in them
bold plume
lol very difference -'
glossy laurel
lol very difference -'
yea
glossy laurel
idk why intellij dont warn
me neither 🤔
glossy laurel
what I would do is store all chunks that contain armor stands in them
essentially if you would do that
it would be kind of "whats faster"
bold plume
what I would do is store all chunks that contain armor stands in them
but what would that change
glossy laurel
but what would that change
so you dont have to loop all entities in all loaded chunks
bold plume
keeping the chunks in reference they don't unload?
bold plume
so you dont have to loop all entities in all loaded chunks
ah ok
glossy laurel
keeping the chunks in reference they don't unload?
no not that-
bold plume
ye
bold plume
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting world.getentities every 1 sec...
You would do the 1st option but instead of interacting with all the loaded entities, you would interact with the chunk entities, right?
chunk.load every 1 second is not a problem then
bold plume
chunk.load every 1 second is not a problem then
because if you walk thousands of chunks are loaded
bold plume
WAIT ARE YOU SAYING YOU LOADED A CHUNK AND THEN GOT ENTITIES IN WHOLE WORLD
because I didn't load the chunk before
bold plume
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 second but before interacting, load the chunk (1 call to location.loadchunk every second and interact all chunk entities every second. This option is good right
bold plume
World#getEntitiesByClass()
for what
bold plume
have worse performance prob
bold plume
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 sec...
but i ll not use world#getentities more
glossy laurel
have worse performance prob
so you think that you getting all entities and then checking their type is better than bukkits method of getting entities by class
bold plume
i think yes
glossy laurel
how come
bold plume
have to go through all the classes
glossy laurel
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 sec...
not how Id do it probably but it should work
bold plume
and checking by types is just a equals on each entity
glossy laurel
gpt say class is more slow
slower than what
bold plume
This introduces an extra layer of type checking through reflection-like operations (isAssignableFrom), which is more computationally expensive compared to a simple instanceof check.
pseudo hazel
gpt is utterly drunk
bold plume
This introduces an extra layer of type checking through reflection-like operatio...
its true?
bold plume
gpt is utterly drunk
😂
glossy laurel
gpt the type of guy to say code is slower cuz it has more lines of code
mossy crest
does anyone have any idea why it downloads 1.20.1/1.21.1 even thou i select 1.20/1.21
glossy laurel
does anyone have any idea why it downloads 1.20.1/1.21.1 even thou i select 1.20...
cuz 1.20 isnt used
mossy crest
i dont care it shows my name btw
bold plume
mossy crest
cuz 1.20 isnt used
the plugin i compile does and thats why i cant build it
eternal oxide
Why are you using nms to get armor stands?
bold plume
gpt the type of guy to say code is slower cuz it has more lines of code
I disagree, GPT does not draw these conclusions
bold plume
Why are you using nms to get armor stands?
because i want
mossy crest
does anyone have any idea why it downloads 1.20.1/1.21.1 even thou i select 1.20...
im pretty sure thats a bug tbh
pseudo hazel
any conclusions gpt draws you ahev to inhale with a bucket of salt
bold plume
It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 sec...
better way right
pseudo hazel
but I guess it could be true in this case
glossy laurel
gpt is always right
please tell me youre sarcastic
pseudo hazel
right...
glossy laurel
please
pseudo hazel
your job is teh first one to get taken by AI
glossy laurel
real
glossy laurel
its not just about instanceof vs isAssignableFrom
actually wtf is isAssignableFrom
ive never heard of it
proper cobalt
if anyone here used commandapi by jorel, can you make it so that a check is run everytime u run a command in the same subcommand thingy
so u dont have to run it every time
slate siren
dont forget shift clicks
Successful, I did it but I can't do it for death, I'm still trying to make the item stay in the inventory when the player dies
pseudo hazel
yeah me neither
glossy laurel
Successful, I did it but I can't do it for death, I'm still trying to make the i...
cancel drops
and give them the item
no?
pseudo hazel
but isAssignableFrom does actually exist
but how do you know its being used by the method in question
bold plume
Can I keep chunk references in a list or do I have to keep location references and use location.getchunk when needed?
bold plume
please tell me youre sarcastic
no
bold plume
actually wtf is isAssignableFrom
entitiesbyclass use it
slate siren
cancel drops
Do you mean to prevent the item from dropping? Or to clear the inventory and give the item back when the player dies?
bold plume
guys where did he get the getEntitiesByClass body
i decompiled the code
glossy laurel
Can I keep chunk references in a list or do I have to keep location references a...
dont keep chunk references
mossy crest
anyone know where i can report a bug about buildtools?
glossy laurel
i decompiled the code
☠️
bold plume
dont keep chunk references
is that you had said that from what I had noticed and I found it strange
glossy laurel
lawyers
pseudo hazel
Can I keep chunk references in a list or do I have to keep location references a...
this is a memory question
glossy laurel
where are you
river oracle
anyone know where i can report a bug about buildtools?
?jira
undone axleBOT
river oracle
W hat exactly is the bug though
bold plume
location.chunk.load every 1 second is not a problem then???
glossy laurel
is that you had said that from what I had noticed and I found it strange
When I say "save chunks" I dont mean "save chunk references"
avg chatgpt user
bold plume
When I say "save chunks" I dont mean "save chunk references"
ah ok
pseudo hazel
but its microoptimization
river oracle
W hat exactly is the bug though
One of the most common issues we get is people using jre
pseudo hazel
so it doesnt matter either way
bold plume
avg chatgpt user
bro???? you're wrong
I can be everything you can imagine but I'm not a clairvoyant
pseudo hazel
yeah pumpkin is just slandering
glossy laurel
yeah pumpkin is just slandering
real
glossy laurel
I can be everything you can imagine but I'm not a clairvoyant
clairvoyant
r u fr rn
mossy crest
W hat exactly is the bug though
it doesnt download correct versions
bold plume
clairvoyant
translator
glossy laurel
translator
no shit
mossy crest
here
mossy crest
nah but fr dont use 1.21
i dont 
glossy laurel
i dont <:khajiit:1239001843640832051>
then whats the problem
pseudo hazel
or is it better to use packets
there is no difference
mossy crest
another plugin dev uses it
glossy laurel
another plugin dev uses it
omg
mossy crest
and now i cant build it
pseudo hazel
and if there is you would have to find out which is better for your usecase
glossy laurel
another plugin dev uses it
rip
mossy crest
y
glossy laurel
I can be everything you can imagine but I'm not a clairvoyant
and im not spoonfeeding you
im not chatgpt
glossy laurel
but rn you arent even helping
im not helping cuz I dont have knowledge to offer fr
pseudo hazel
you aren't obligated to talk
river oracle
it doesnt download correct versions
That's most likely not a bug
Versions get replaced
E.g. 1.20
I believe 1.21 was replaced too
glossy laurel
yea
river oracle
I believe 1.19.3 was replaced as well? It happens a good bit
bold plume
its more fast instanceof or entity.gettype.equals(entitype...)
glossy laurel
1.19.3? random version to be replaced
river oracle
If the version is replaced you shouldn't be on it
chrome beacon
Superceeding happens when there is 100% no reason to use that version
glossy laurel
Superceeding happens when there is 100% no reason to use that version
what if I want my bugs
glossy laurel
crash exploits are love, crash exploits are life
glossy laurel
its more fast instanceof or entity.gettype.equals(entitype...)
it really doesnt matter that much
nanosecond differences
bold plume
ok thanks
chrome beacon
but there's no need for that
bold plume
Before calling chunk.load, should I call chunk.isloaded?
bold plume
Don't load the chunk
what
i need do it
"It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 second but before interacting, load the chunk (1 call to location.loadchunk every second and interact all chunk entities every second. This option is good right"
glossy laurel
"It's better to update an armorstand by interacting chunk.getentities every 1 se...
can you please speak proper english
mossy crest
If the version is replaced you shouldn't be on it
@hushed spindle 🙏
bold plume
can you please speak proper english
what you didn't understand
glossy laurel
I did its just hard to read
eternal oxide
You shoudl not be updating armor stands in unloaded chunks
glossy laurel
have to read it twice to get it
bold plume
https://imgur.com/a/hMwzXyt its true?
eternal oxide
Wait until the chunk loads naturally and then update them
glossy laurel
You shoudl not be updating armor stands in unloaded chunks
weve told him that
glossy laurel
https://imgur.com/a/hMwzXyt its true?
its certainly chatgpt
bold plume
Wait until the chunk loads naturally and then update them
but isn't it more performant to loop through all entities in a chunk every second rather than looping through all entities every time a chunk is loaded?
eternal oxide
no
glossy laurel
but isn't it more performant to loop through all entities in a chunk every secon...
just stop looping all entities in all loaded chunks
bold plume
just stop looping all entities in all loaded chunks
u see what i say?
eternal oxide
looping every second you are forcing chunks to remain loaded and performign updates when they are not needed
bold plume
just stop looping all entities in all loaded chunks
**all entities in a chunk **
glossy laurel
u see what i say?
no I dont
bold plume
looping every second you are forcing chunks to remain loaded and performign upda...
3 chunks only
eternal oxide
only update on loaded chunks and yoru overhead is MUCH lower
glossy laurel
Why would you loop all entities in all chunks that get loaded
bold plume
only update on loaded chunks and yoru overhead is MUCH lower
but is 3 cuhnks only
glossy laurel
also, cant cant u check the .load method, perhaps it already contains an isloaded check
eternal oxide
It doe4sn;t matter how many chunks it is
bold plume
I always keep 3 chunks in memory but I don't have to keep iterating thousands of times.
eternal oxide
if no one is near them they do not need to be updated
bold plume
It doe4sn;t matter how many chunks it is
but in its own way I have to go through several entities very frequently
bold plume
if no one is near them they do not need to be updated
but most of the time there will be people nearby
eternal oxide
argue all you like, you have been told why its not a good idea and is not performant
glossy laurel
its just bad code design
fr
besides, correct me if im wrong, but most of the time loaded chunks dont have any entities in them
bold plume
I think keeping 3 chunks always loaded is much more performance-enhancing than iterating thousands of entities in the chunkloadevent but ok
eternal oxide
they do, but they don;t tick