help-development

[mint lynx]

I think the difference is between managing an existing Entity or creating a new type of Entity.

[wise mulch]

Getting a bit of a weird crash here. I'm getting a NullPointerException in a place where it is seemingly impossible for the value to be null. I'm using getOrDefault, and at NO POINT do I insert any null values into the map. What's the deal? Excuse the dirty code, I'm updating my SkyGrid generator from 1.16 and it needs a few heavy reworks, so I'm making patchy solutions to get things running, and slowly ironing it out as I go.

"Impossible" crash: https://gist.github.com/Roadhog360/8b95060f957cac2b79c7bb4da6a9b5e0
Code snippet it crashes on: https://gist.github.com/Roadhog360/3253fc1ed6c7bf408386476ac36f8e18 (config.getRandomBlockFromLayer is what it crashes on. This is what I think is impossible because I use getOrDefault, at no point do I EVER insert null into the map)
getBiomeConfig (line 81): https://gist.github.com/Roadhog360/78e1559c716ddf7ecfaa53587b60118a (As can be seen, there is NEVER a null element inserted, which would seemingly be the ONLY WAY getOrDefault would return null.)
Making getBiomeConfig return just DEFAULT seems to work but I obviously don't want that. So... how the hell's BaseBiomeConfig.getBiomeConfig outputting null?

[drowsy helm]

that whole BiomeConfig stuff can be an enum

and you're not checking the input on getBiomeConfig, it could be null

but yeah, unless DEFAULT is null somehow

[wise mulch]

In that case, null is not a key and would return the default. Also I had a realization that hit me in the face like a brick, I put the initialization of the variables BELOW the static

And, yeah, that worked. It's always right after requesting help on a difficult issue that I immediately think of the solution, lmao

[drowsy helm]

lol

[wise mulch]

It could very well be an enum but for now I'm rolling with this. I am still in the middle of working on it, so rough solutions become what is primarily used for now.

This will eventually be replaced with a map that fills itself, using the enum constructor

Actually, I should probably do that, on second thought that'd make dev time a bit faster

[small valve]

"Chat message validation failure" is when you cancel messages right? If my plugin isn't cancelling messages then my plugin can't be the cause right?

[sullen marlin]

probably, gonna have to be more specific

[umbral ridge]

you can cancel messages?

[blazing ocean]

yes

but you shouldn't just broadcast them

[umbral ridge]

from the chat?

[blazing ocean]

yea

[umbral ridge]

that is sick

[tender shard]

?support

[undone axle]

[e-mail]

[agile hollow]

why i'm not getting the jar file when i compile it?

[tender shard]

It‘s in the target folder

Oh and you need to run package

[agile hollow]

i think so

[spice burrow]

I've never worked with armor stand animations before, is the best way to smoothly move them from one spot to another to get the difference vector, divide that by how long I want the animation to be, and then run a repeating task until the armorstand is at the location (with some room for error)

this would all be done with teleports instead of velocity because it's in the air

[tender shard]

Instead of compile

Right side, click the maven tab, then lifecycle -> double click package

[agile hollow]

what is the difference between compile and package i usualy use it for the same way (sorry for the stupid question)

[blazing ocean]

also i don't think you need to clean on every build, that just slows it down

[tender shard]

Compile only compiles code but doesnt put it into a jar

Package = compile + create jar

[agile hollow]

oh okay thanks a lot

[icy beacon]

I mean clean is generally fast

[blazing ocean]

it clears caches

incremental compilation doesn't work then

[icy beacon]

Oh true

So it was the right call for me to remove it lol

I was trying to get incremental working with Kotlin

[blazing ocean]

incremental is so good

[icy beacon]

And it wasn't working so i decided to remove clean from the goal

And it suddenly sped up so much

1:20 -> 20 secs

Gradle would still probably be faster for Kotlin though

[blazing ocean]

it is

[icy beacon]

Yeah one day I'll change this project to use Gradle

Too lazy ngl

[blazing ocean]

gradle + kotlin dsl is so good

[icy beacon]

Yes

[dawn flower]

how do i check if PlayerMoveEvent was triggered from velocity or by the player

[eternal oxide]

you can't

playerMoveEvent fires for every movement of the player.

[blazing ocean]

isn't there a PlayerVelocityEvent or something

[blazing ocean]

this might help you

[dawn flower]

i want to cancel normal movement but not velocity

i want the opposite

[blazing ocean]

hashmaps?

[lusty cipher]

how can I check if my Runnable I scheduled as an async task has completed?

[blazing ocean]

make a variable isCompleted or something?

or check if the task exists

[ivory sleet]

ru using bukkit scheduler or some other way to dispatch it async in the first place?

[lusty cipher]

bukkit scheduler

[lusty cipher]

oh is it that simple? great thanks

[lusty cipher]

obviously but I guessed that something like this is builtin functionalizy

[tardy delta]

sounds like a design flaw

[sullen marlin]

?jd

[undone axle]

Spigot
BungeeCord
BungeeCord Chat

[sullen marlin]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/scheduler/BukkitScheduler.html

IsQueued/isRunning

[pliant topaz]

Is there a way I can get the players target blockface? because player#getTargetBlockFace(5) for example, ignores everything and just returns the blockface the player is looking at 5 blocks away, even tho the nearest targeted blockface is up it might output south

[lusty cipher]

how come

[silent slate]

is the SignEditEvent also called on the initial edit when the sign is placed?

[quaint mantle]

Can u set armorstands to no clip state in 1.16.5?

[river oracle]

yes beacuse its impossible to distinguish between the two

I looked into PRing a edit type a while back but unfortunately its impossible add

[silent slate]

thats actually nice, i just need to get the content of the sign on the initial write

[river oracle]

i'd double check and make sure it still work but it did last time I check in like 1.19.4

[silent slate]

is there a way to detect if the sign was empty before? to maybe detect if its the initial write

[river oracle]

one sec

?jd-s

[undone axle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot

[silent slate]

maybe create an array of signs that you add coordinates to on the OnBuild event and then remove from the array on the onEdit event

[river oracle]

sign change event gives you a snapshot of the block state

you could use that

[silent slate]

k nice

[river oracle]

you can use lines[] though it should be empty given it wasn't tampered with

oh you do have access to getBlock so nvm

SignChangeEvent#getBlock#getState

[silent slate]

so i get the lines using getLines, but i cant get wheater or not its the initial edit ?

[river oracle]

no

you'd have to use block place event

and have some expiring cache

[silent slate]

ye

[sleek estuary]

I want to make a vehicle plugin. For that I'm going to make a teleporting armorstand, but how do I detect that the player clicked 'W' etc to teleport the armorstand?

[silent slate]

ok imma do that

[river oracle]

but that's pretty easy. yeah I wish you could distinguish between the two

but alas :(

[silent slate]

ill create an hashmap for Location and int, set the int to 100 or something and let it count down, player has 100 seconds of time to edit, afterwards imma just delete the block and reset it

[river oracle]

Try listening to the PlayerSteerPacket if they're riding on the armor stand

that should send you key presses

[sleek estuary]

im on spigot 1.8.8

[halcyon hemlock]

im bored

[river oracle]

Lol

Then have fun

[icy beacon]

rip bro

[fair rock]

Thats erotic

Love it

Is the field on the bottom for a seed?

[sullen canyon]

I feel bad for doing it this way

[sleek estuary]

how i update the gradle version

i update here but not works

[halcyon hemlock]

yep

[tardy delta]

why the forEach, why the requireNonNull, why not using a stream?

[echo basalt]

why use streams when you can just have a regular for loop

[worldly ingot]

+1

[tardy delta]

two points seemed a bit weak

[tardy delta]

what lang? dont tell me its java

[sleek estuary]

intellij not detecting my lombok wtf help?

[brittle geyser]

Where i can found minecraft packets list?

[tardy delta]

have you got the annotation processor?

wiki.vg or smth

[icy beacon]

https://wiki.vg/Protocol

[sleek estuary]

yes

[brittle geyser]

i need player click recipe book packet

PacketPlayOutCraftingRecipeBookOpen???

IDK

[halcyon hemlock]

why not java?

[icy beacon]

idk

[halcyon hemlock]

I'd rather make it in rust or something but I'm not fond of making UIs in it

[tardy delta]

could use raylib

but the rust bindings are absolutely horrendous

[brittle geyser]

i found it without packets, thanks

[rough drift]

javafx is a thing ig

[brittle geyser]

PlayerRecipeBookSettingsChangeEvent works perfectly

[icy beacon]

nice

[halcyon hemlock]

?

already javafx

[rough drift]

wait wrong person lmao

[river oracle]

Compose is a thing

💪

[blazing ocean]

i love compose

[timid spear]

Ayo

Can someone help me to convert a snippet from Waterfall to Spigot API?
I am migrating some code of an old plugin of mine, but could not get my head around one particular class

[tardy delta]

got the code?

[timid spear]

If you want, also as hastebin

[blazing ocean]

do you mean bungee or spigot

[timid spear]

It was a Waterfall (Bungeecord) plugin once, and now I migrate everything into the Spigot API. Got about 80 % so far.

So: Bungeecord -> Spigot

[blazing ocean]

?scheduler

what

is cafebabe dead

?tas

[undone axle]

https://tryitands.ee/

[blazing ocean]

what was the command

?scheduling

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/scheduler-programming/

[blazing ocean]

@timid spear

an async scheduler already exists

[timid spear]

Oh? ;o

So the BukkitScheduler it is for me

[blazing ocean]

yup

[sand mirage]

Does a nether block has a tilestate?

[echo basalt]

why does this look like a completablefuture wrapper

[eternal night]

What do you consider a nether block

[echo basalt]

Only blocks that need to store additional data have a tile state

[blazing ocean]

completablefutures my beloved

[echo basalt]

For example chests, furnaces, beacons etc

[sand mirage]

@echo basalt That makes sense. Thanks.

So there is no way to store some metadata to a nether portal block, right? I would need to store by location in a config or something. I thought I might be able to use PersistentDataContainer but it is only possible for TileStates.

[young knoll]

?blockpdc

[undone axle]

Learn about CustomBlockData here:
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/custom-block-data-persistentdatacontainer-for-blocks.512422/

[echo basalt]

?blockpdc

[undone axle]

Learn about CustomBlockData here:
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/custom-block-data-persistentdatacontainer-for-blocks.512422/

[echo basalt]

rip got sniped

[young knoll]

rekt

[echo basalt]

Incredibly predictable too

[sand mirage]

Wow this is incredibly useful.

[echo basalt]

Instead of BlockPDC I have my own chunk system so I can host custom data :)

[young knoll]

Nerd

I mean that's basically all BlockPDC is

[echo basalt]

Well yeah but it comes to the advantage of uh

supporting other kinds of databases

And also just being generic instead of a pdc container

Pair that with a default gson codec and you have heaven

[timid spear]

Seems like so

[blazing ocean]

why are you making your own wrapper

[echo basalt]

WorldBlockStorage<MyCustomData> storage = new WorldBlockStorage<>(plugin, new PDCChunkStorage(plugin));

MyCustomData data = storage.getBlockAt(location);
data.doWhatever()

storage.saveBlock(data)

[timid spear]

pardon? 😮

[blazing ocean]

why can't you just use the scheduler itself

[timid spear]

hmm

[sand mirage]

How does this plugin work? How can it add PDC to every block?

[echo basalt]

It just uses the chunk's PDC instead

And some fancy wrapping

[sand mirage]

ah so basically a chunk with a location/data table inside?

[echo basalt]

Something like that

[sand mirage]

and then patches the events

[twilit coral]

Better descriptor is a map

[echo basalt]

Not really no

Chunks have PDC

This just makes a PDC that gets stored inside the chunk for the block you're messing with

[young knoll]

And tries its best to remove it when the block is removed iirc

Idk how much gets left behind

[sand mirage]

Ah yeah I see.

You just provide the block and it does its thing to store and get the metadata

[tender shard]

in CustomBlockData? iirc only doesn't detect block changes through API/WorldEdit/setblock

[icy beacon]

why no we support 😢

[charred blaze]

how do i write string?

there is code provided to write varint

what about string?

[chrome beacon]

The FriendlyByteBuf is what nms uses

[charred blaze]

does that mean i should use it too?

how do i get that package?

[chrome beacon]

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[chrome beacon]

also you can just use the packet directly

[charred blaze]

im not trying to create a plugin

[chrome beacon]

you should have said so in your message

[charred blaze]

my bad

this is probably wrong channel to ask sorry

[chrome beacon]

wiki vg has information on how the packets are structured

the string is just an utf8 string

https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Definitions

[unreal sky]

[ERROR] /C:/Users/talha/OneDrive/Masaüstü/ffa/src/main/java/me/paulvogel/ffa/listeners/PlayerInventoryListener.java:[22,34] cannot find symbol
[ERROR]   symbol:   method getName()
[ERROR]   location: interface org.bukkit.inventory.Inventory
[ERROR] /C:/Users/talha/OneDrive/Masaüstü/ffa/src/main/java/me/paulvogel/ffa/listeners/PlayerInventoryListener.java:[22,140] cannot find symbol
[ERROR]   symbol:   method getName()
[ERROR]   location: interface org.bukkit.inventory.Inventory
[ERROR] -> [Help 1]

[eternal oxide]

?ask

[undone axle]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

[river oracle]

that method doesn't exist

so there you go

Inventory has no such method getName

[charred blaze]

whats that

i mean i already have seen that it is utf8 string

but what is utf8 string

will try google

StandardCharsets.UTF_8.encode(myString)

this?

how do i write all this stuff?

[blazing ocean]

FriendlyByteBuf#writeType()

[charred blaze]

how do i get that class

??

[chrome beacon]

It's part of nms

[blazing ocean]

new FriendlyByteBuf(Unpooled.directBuffer())

[charred blaze]

does it make easier to work with all this datatypes? if so how do i get it in my situation?

im not trying to create plugin

[blazing ocean]

then you are in the wrong place here

[charred blaze]

where do i go then?

[blazing ocean]

depends on what you're doing

[charred blaze]

trying to write a simple client?

[blazing ocean]

then this is certainly not the place

[charred blaze]

where

[blazing ocean]

idk

depends on what you're using

[unreal sky]

How do I solve this?

[blazing ocean]

if you're making it from scratch you're p much on your own good luck

[charred blaze]

what really?

[blazing ocean]

i mean

nobody really does that

like why

just use something like fbaric

[halcyon hemlock]

Make a server framework instead

More fun frfr

[vital sandal]

what could be the formula to teleport player 1 block on their left?

[pseudo hazel]

player.teleport()

and then its just their location but add 1 to x

[vital sandal]

nope

that is different

[blazing ocean]

wdym nope..??

[pseudo hazel]

how so

oh you mean depending on where they are looking

[vital sandal]

well sometime left could be south

and some it could be west

so adding 1 to x of location doesn't do the trick here

[pseudo hazel]

you have to get the y angle of their head probably and then see which axis is closest to it

and then you add one left relatvie to that

[vital sandal]

well we got facing direction vector here

and I'm looking for a way with that

Normally I rotate the vector by 90 degree then add by that direction but looking to see a smarter attempts

[charred blaze]

for simple things. like reading player count of server

etc

[pseudo hazel]

like what

that seems corect

[tardy delta]

reinventing minestom?

[river oracle]

read the docs

its in InventoryView now

though I'd put a million on why you're using the title so

inb4 you use title to detect your GUI

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-modern-approach-to-inventory-guis.594005/

[eternal oxide]

    /**
     * Location left or right of the source.
     * 
     * @param location the source.
     * @param offset distance to the new Location.
     * @param direction LEFT or RIGHT
     * @return a new Location LEFT or RIGHT of the origin.
     */
    public Location getSide(Location location, double offset, SIDE direction) {
        
        double rad = Math.toRadians(location.getYaw() + ((direction == SIDE.LEFT)? 0: 180) );
        double x = Math.cos(rad);
        double z = Math.sin(rad);
        
        Vector shift = new Vector(x, 0, z).normalize().multiply(offset);

        Location finalLoc = location.clone().add(shift);
        finalLoc.setDirection(location.getDirection()); // Set same facing as the Location.
        
        return finalLoc;
    }
    
    public enum SIDE {LEFT, RIGHT}```

So if you want Right of the player Location loc = getSide(player.getEyeLocation(), 1.0, SIDE.RIGHT);

[river oracle]

Does anyone know how to use gradle to pipe outputs from one task to another.
Right now I've got one task called VineyardMetaSetup which produces a executor which is mutated in the task, however other subtasks need metadata and other information from this executor. I'm not really sure how to handle this.

I've tried

        project.tasks.register(VINEYARD_PREPARE_NMS_TASK, VineyardPrepareNMS::class.java) {
            val metaSetup = project.tasks.getByName(VINEYARD_META_SETUP_TASK) as VineyardMetaSetup
            dependsOn(metaSetup)
            group = VINEYARD_TASK_CATEGORY
            this.executor.set(metaSetup.executor)
        }``` 
However it is somehow not mutated from its original state

[blazing ocean]

omg cabernetmc

[pseudo hazel]

hey yall, how do I set a player's prefix in chat/tablist/above head using a scoreboard, I have a team with the player's name as an entry in it. Do I need to set the scoreboard to the player to be able to see the prefix?

[tender shard]

because noone has pull-requested it yet :p

[river oracle]

because its a hack

I don't think it would fly as good API tbh. Also because mojang is heading more and more towards data driven each update it'll likely be completely useless within a few years

[unreal sky]

I'm actually not a developer. I was just trying to upgrade a project on github from version 1.9 to 1.20.4 and I ran into this problem. I'll find some developers from admincraft and have them do it. nothing to do.

[pseudo hazel]

because I already have a scoreboard I use for displaying information, so idk how I would do that

[tender shard]

idk does this help?

https://chatgpt.com/share/23dee229-2adf-4987-945c-e571152dc601

[river oracle]

not really unfortunately, because I'm working with memory not really file system stuff. The shitty thing is gradle doesn't let you pipe in and out just regular objects

which would be hella useful. Ig i'll just contcatonate it all into one task

Gonna just need to make super intelligent casting

[tender shard]

hmmm maybe this? https://chatgpt.com/share/23dee229-2adf-4987-945c-e571152dc601

[blazing ocean]

why you only sharing chatgpt links

[river oracle]

he has chatgpt4

[tender shard]

because that's how I usually solve stuff like this and in 99% of cases, it has nice answers

[shadow night]

I don't think alex has the ability to think by himself anymore

[blazing ocean]

ik

[river oracle]

so its somewhat intelligent

[blazing ocean]

real

[river oracle]

I don't think you guys realize how bad the AI problem is in search engines now

[shadow night]

Whenever it's time to think, his brain fires open https://chatgpt.com

[river oracle]

most of the stuff you search for isn't even valid rather have an LLM who sifts through the BS quickly sometimes

[quaint mantle]

Truly 'I forgor' moment

[river oracle]

@tender shard that second one did it

very weird but oh well

Anyone know what scriptus plugin does for craftbukkit

[tender shard]

I guess it sets these properties

[charred blaze]

am i doing it correctly?

[tender shard]

you'd usually move the creation of the streams into a try-with-resources

try(DataOutputStream output = new ...;
    DataInputStream input = new ...;
) {
  // Do your stuff
} catch (IOException ex) {
  // Handle Ecxeption
}

[shadow night]

Ye, then it auto closes

[charred blaze]

ok

[pseudo hazel]

can I have separate scoreboard test per player?

or does that mean every player needs thier own scoreboard

essentially I want to use placeholders on the scoreboard, but they are different per player so yeah..

[tender shard]

i'd just create one scoreboard per player - alternatively an existing scoreboard API like this https://github.com/MegavexNetwork/scoreboard-library (I don't know that one, just googled scoreboard API because the bukkit way of adding text is a pain)

[pseudo hazel]

I see

hmm thats going to complicate player team prefixes a lot

because I think it only shows prefixes for the board set on the player

[tender shard]

aren't scoreboards and teams two different things? tbh no clue, never used any of those

[pseudo hazel]

no

its abhorrently designed

you have a scoreboard, that can register objectives and teams

but you only have 1 socreboard set on a player

but team prefixes can only show if that team exist in the scoreboard the player has set and those teams have the entries

so to do what I want, one scoreboard per player, you have to copy all the teams and entries for each player individually

I mean ideally I would want to use some packet thing but I have never used packets

[fleet imp]

is there a UI or inventory i can use for the book signing page

[young knoll]

no

It's client side

[fleet imp]

poo

[blazing ocean]

fastboard is good

[wise mulch]

Is there any way to swap out the world's Random instance with a faster one?

I have a faster Random class, I'm wondering if I can initialize my custom worldgen worlds with it for faster RNG

It's the Xoshiro256** random formula btw

[shadow night]

you have what

[wise mulch]

A faster Random class

https://gist.github.com/unascribed/696fcd47d1667cbfbe96b2b2a3e29a39

[shadow night]

Is the difference significant

[wise mulch]

It's faster

I don't have benchmarks atm but I do remember it's fast

[rough drift]

it is usually 2x or higher

wait no that's splittable random

this is like 8x

[shadow night]

Btw, have I seen you before?

Cuz your name is familiar

[wise mulch]

I am the owner of Legacy Modding

[shadow night]

oh wait what

[wise mulch]

Yea

[shadow night]

lmao

[wise mulch]

I only mod 1.7.10 but I sometimes dabble in servers, which are usually modern

[shadow night]

Understandable

[wise mulch]

So I want it to be the standard for my world, since I haven't started generating a production world with my generator yet, I think it'd be a good idea to make them use Xoshiro while I am ahead

[blazing ocean]

why 1.7.10

1.21/latest best version

[wise mulch]

It's fast and modern has a lot of junk and random wrapper/helper classes

[shadow night]

1.21 doesn't have tc4 so it can't be best

[blazing ocean]

doesn't have what

[shadow night]

Thaumcraft 4

[blazing ocean]

oh

[wise mulch]

Off-topic, if you want to know more about why I mod 1.7.10 ping me in general

My plugins are for modern servers

[shadow night]

Well, 1.8 plugins can barely do anything comparing to 1.20.6

[blazing ocean]

yea

need display entities

resource packs

[wise mulch]

So anyways let's get back on topic, how can I initialize my custom worlds, with a custom Random instance?

[blazing ocean]

which actually allow you to do more than texturss

[wise mulch]

Where may I insert Xoshiro over the standard random?

[shadow night]

I wonder if reflection could do something here

[wise mulch]

Thinking NMS reflection is probably needed.

Which is okay since this plugin is private for my server so it'll work in my use cases.

But I was wondering if there was a proper way first, like if a simple random field is exposed that I can just change to something else

[blazing ocean]

in an nms world it's final

so i doubt it

[wise mulch]

Reflection can change final fields

[blazing ocean]

okay wtf

https://mappings.cephx.dev/1.20.6/net/minecraft/world/level/Level.html

[shadow night]

Doubt it

[wise mulch]

Final doesn't actually make much differece in the Java bytecode. It's just a flag that the variable shouldn't be changed, but it can easily be forced to be changed.

[young knoll]

Static fields are the problem

[wise mulch]

Yeah, STATIC FINAL is basically impossible to change without ASM or Mixin

Reflection can't change them.

[blazing ocean]

mixins ftw

[young knoll]

I think you can do it with unsafe

[wise mulch]

Ty

[shadow night]

Well, random shouldn't be static

[wise mulch]

Yeah, it's usually just final or a regular field

[shadow night]

I think it's private final

[wise mulch]

Either way thanks, I'll use reflection and insert my Rand instance into Level, assuming that is the correct place.

[blazing ocean]

public finap

see the link i sent

[wise mulch]

Oh, if it's public that makes things easier

[shadow night]

Weird shit

[young knoll]

Might be us making it public

[blazing ocean]

it's nms

[shadow night]

Nah, it's the mappings website saying it

[young knoll]

Yes?

We patch NMS

lol

[blazing ocean]

that's mappings..

[young knoll]

Ah true

[shadow night]

If a mapping website says it's public I doubt it's spigot-only

[blazing ocean]

uh

wrong emoji

[shadow night]

lol

[wise mulch]

Where is the first possible time the Level is available for me to patch the Rand instance for my custom world type only?

[young knoll]

Probably the WorldInitEvent

[wise mulch]

I want to be sure I am patching only my world types too so if I ever release this, that other people's different worlds are not affected

Ty, thanks

[shadow night]

Have not expected to encounter the owner of legacy modding while lurking in #help-development lol

[blazing ocean]

raydan ik you're watching 👁️

[shadow night]

Should've said this before I started chatting, not after

[blazing ocean]

no i'm different

that one time was funny tho lmao

[shadow night]

yes

[fierce salmon]

@wet breach now I have the opposite issue from what I had before

I'm able to access the database through minecraft but im unable to access it through phpmyadmin

[lusty cipher]

is there some kind of Pair class in one of the included libs?

[hazy parrot]

its apache i think

https://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-lang/apidocs/org/apache/commons/lang3/tuple/Pair.html

[lusty cipher]

thats not included with the spigot api though is it?

[blazing ocean]

include apache commons

[wise mulch]

So I have a simply SkyGrid generator, and I have generate structure set to true, however when I TP to a structure nothing is there (implying it only generated the bounding box)
How can I make it actually place the structure, or maybe detect when I am going over one and place something custom there?

For example since this is a challenge world type I don't mind say, just placing a frame where the stronghold should be, I just want a way to detect it.

[tardy delta]

?nocode

[undone axle]

It’s hard to answer a programming question without code
Oh no! You ran into a problem. But no worries, people are willing to help, but first they need to see your code. This is because otherwise, they would be providing help based on guesses instead of concrete knowledge. Whether it be a compile error, runtime error, or an unexpected output, I'm sure that if you were to provide code, you'd receive a quick solution.

[wise mulch]

I don't know what there is to show. in Spigot's source ChunkGenerator's only reference to structures contains a boolean whether or not to generate a structure, and BlockPopulator does not have anything relating to structures

What class are you wanting to see?

[tardy delta]

how am i supposed to help you

[wise mulch]

I don't know what part of my code you want me to show

[orchid trout]

the relevant part

[tardy delta]

dont know either

[grim hound]

On Bungeecord

Does anyone know what this might mean?

Also the players are disconnected with "Network Protocol Error"

[wise mulch]

I don't really know what part here is relevant. As I said the only reference to structures in the Spigot source is the boolean to enable them, which is true

[blazing ocean]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[wise mulch]

https://gist.github.com/Roadhog360/67c4aa3209ac8dc45c23e087563c997c

Yes, I know the code isn't clean. It's not finished

... Does the specific paste website suddenly matter?

[viscid carbon]

Quick question for yall. im creating a level system saving player files as yml. Should i store the xp in a say hashmap or just update the data everytime?

the question is will it use too many resources if i keep accessing/saving files like that

[wise mulch]

Updating the data every time might be slow. How often does this get updated?

[blazing ocean]

why not run it in the background

[ivory sleet]

Its fine, just make sure its done off the server thread

[grim hound]

Does anyone know?

[wise mulch]

Off-thread could work too yeah

[viscid carbon]

Off thread. gotcha. thank yall.

[wise mulch]

I'd recommend using atomic writes in case the power goes out in the middle of updating the data.

[grim hound]

How do you do that?

[wise mulch]

Make copy of file > Update that file > When it is completely done overwrite the original file, and when that is successfully done, delete the copy.

You can name the copy something like yourname.yml.bak.

[viscid carbon]

wouldn't that use more resources constantly adding/removing files?

[wise mulch]

Atomic writes ensure that there is always an intact copy of the file in case of sudden interruptions like a power outage or crash that manages to abruptly stop the server before it can clean up.

If you don't do it, then your file will be become corrupted if your process is interrupted while it is writing.

[viscid carbon]

so the xp is getting updated every time they lets say. mine a ore.

[quaint mantle]

Better split the YAMLs.

[quaint mantle]

Make a cache where player data is stored and push into YAMLs when plugin disables.

[ivory sleet]

Mrarcane ru reading the data, or just writing it ?

[wise mulch]

If it's every time they pick up an orb I'd recommend storing the data as an object, and updating the yml periodically if you want it to save while the server is running.

[viscid carbon]

writing it.

[wise mulch]

Pick a time that is good for you, say every 10-30 seconds, and write all the data you've collected then.

[ivory sleet]

Yea then just have a thread pool where u write to files

[sleek estuary]

why the armorstand not teleports?

[ivory sleet]

and u want to also have a concurrent hash map instead of a normal hash map

[wise mulch]

You'll spam tons of file writes if you write every single time the exp of a player is updated, so I recommend just cachine the updated xp values and then running periodically.

[grim hound]

And every time a server saves it's worlds

[wise mulch]

That too

Unless you mean your own XP system and not Minecraft's in which case it should be fine.

But if you mean vanilla's XP system then yeah it will cause issues spamming file writes when players kill tons of mobs in a farm

[viscid carbon]

that's what i was thinking. im using my own xp system.

[grim hound]

Async

Needs to be sync

[sleek estuary]

i need make bukkit.getscheduler.runtask?

[grim hound]

Also use PacketEvents

[grim hound]

Ye

[sleek estuary]

is a lib?

[blazing ocean]

yea

you can shade it as well

[grim hound]

Yes

[sleek estuary]

why not protocollib

[blazing ocean]

slow

[grim hound]

Cuz it's more reliable

Faster

[sleek estuary]

but I already use protocollib for other plugins that need it, so it's better to use protocollib

[grim hound]

And multiplatform

[ivory sleet]

packet events is just nicer tho

[grim hound]

So portable

[sleek estuary]

I already use protocollib because of bungeeguard

[blazing ocean]

kmp mentioned????

[grim hound]

Doesn't matter

[grim hound]

Uh

[sleek estuary]

https://github.com/retrooper/packetevents

this?

[grim hound]

Ye

[blazing ocean]

yea

[sleek estuary]

Where did you get that packetevents is faster? Did you see the code?

[blazing ocean]

plib is known to be slow

[grim hound]

Yes

[sleek estuary]

That does not mean anything

[grim hound]

Packet Events creates ByteBufs directly

[blazing ocean]

i also prefer its way of handling payloads

[grim hound]

While ProtocolLib uses reflection which create packets and only then are translated into ByteBufs

[grim hound]

And this is true for all operations

Which make a huge difference

Also ProtocolLib reads and rewrites every packet

[sleek estuary]

and why didn't protocollib solve it?

[grim hound]

Which is very often unnecessary

[blazing ocean]

idk ask dmulloy

[sleek estuary]

there must be a reason

[grim hound]

And for PacketEvents you need to explicitly state that you want to read or write

[grim hound]

It's deemed more convenient

[ivory sleet]

I wouldn’t use plib being faster as a good argument, just packetevents not suffering from inferior infrastructural design, and being platform agnostic

[sleek estuary]

you shouldn't notice the difference

[grim hound]

But it's probably because people got used to it

And it grew larger

[blazing ocean]

plib's way of handling packet payloads is ass

[grim hound]

And he had no choice but to follow

[ivory sleet]

I never read plibs impl thankfully

[grim hound]

There's a significant difference in the performance tho

[blazing ocean]

i meant using it

[lament tree]

Most stable 1.20 version?

[blazing ocean]

.4

[lament tree]

Thanks

[sleek estuary]

you use velocity so?

I'm going to take off the bungeeguard

idk what option i put

if i not use bungeeguard

im on 1.8

legay or none?

[ivory sleet]

I mean I believe you, but do you have any benchmarks of it? Official ones

[blazing ocean]

?whereami

[undone axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864180468680360027/944415049462714469/whereami.mp4

[grim hound]

Cuz I studied PacketEvents' internal structure I figured out a way to send a lot (like 600) in 0.01ms with NIO or 0.01ms per like 150 packets with Epoll

Very fast

[grim hound]

No

[blazing ocean]

ah yes, le gay

[grim hound]

But just looking at the code

I know how fast everything is

Cuz I did a lot of performance tests

[sleek estuary]

whats the difference

[blazing ocean]

question

why

[grim hound]

And I can tell when something is fast

[blazing ocean]

wait that's so cool

[sleek estuary]

@grim hound

and hamsterapi

you already see the code?

[blazing ocean]

but why not use the api for that

[grim hound]

Haven't you already seen that and said the exact same thing? xD

[blazing ocean]

too slow?

[blazing ocean]

potentially

[grim hound]

It'd take like 50 ms

[wise mulch]

Yooo this is actually a sick way to fight bots wtf

[grim hound]

And here it takes 0.01ms

[blazing ocean]

ngl that sounds reasonable

[grim hound]

Okay maybe more like 5-10 ms

[blazing ocean]

for perf just use nms

[blazing ocean]

even more reasonable

[grim hound]

It's much faster than nms

My method

[blazing ocean]

why not use api then lol

[ivory sleet]

i mean for perf dont u just inject into netty straight away?

[quaint mantle]

Captcha?

I see

[grim hound]

Cuz it's 500-1000 times faster

[blazing ocean]

for perf don't use networks

[grim hound]

Duuh

[grim hound]

Yes

https://github.com/ShadowOfHeaven-Me/AlixSystem/blob/master/src/shadow/systems/login/captcha/subtypes/ParticleCaptcha.java

[blazing ocean]

yes but for 5-10ms? 😭

[ivory sleet]

Naa that1 is crazy

[grim hound]

It's an antibot

It needs to be able to handle a lot of bots/players

At the same time

[grim hound]

I just write the data directly

It doesn't need to be compressed or anything

It can be sent as is

[ivory sleet]

I mean yea that makes sense

[viscid carbon]

if yall were trying to store a value and wanted to access it like a map but need a player name how would you do it?
map.put(p, skill, xp);
Something like that

[blazing ocean]

for perf rewrite mc server and client in rust

ez

[ivory sleet]

rust? Not assembly???

[sleek estuary]

@grim hound

[blazing ocean]

what

[grim hound]

Did not

[ivory sleet]

map.get(p)

p being the player name

Altho u probably wanna rely on UUID

[blazing ocean]

i don't understand the question lol

[grim hound]

UUID for a map key is faster

Even significantly I'd say

[blazing ocean]

how are two longs that much faster than a string

[viscid carbon]

Ik, im just curious if theres a good way to store the uuid and the value name plus the value.

[blazing ocean]

pairs

or records

[grim hound]

Strings

If not identity equivalent

[ivory sleet]

I mean if you really wanna be fast, go with IdentityHashMap<Player,V>

[grim hound]

Need to be compared with their entirety

[grim hound]

Fun fact

IdentityHashMap in 99% of cases brings no actual benefit

Cuz the normal Map also does the identity check

[sleek estuary]

fuck

[blazing ocean]

...

[grim hound]

And hashCode() is usually cached

[blazing ocean]

use the spigot artifact

[grim hound]

Or at the very least pretty fast

[ivory sleet]

yes but Player uses UUID

[blazing ocean]

not PLATFORM

[ivory sleet]

Which is not delegated to Object#hashCode

[blazing ocean]

and you can shade it btw

[sleek estuary]

oh ok

[sleek estuary]

no

[grim hound]

UUID's hashCode method is just two bit operations

[sleek estuary]

shade have better performance?

[pseudo hazel]

im also actually trying to learn packetevents, is there a way to just send a packet to the client ? all the example use listeners but I just want to send a packet myself

[blazing ocean]

idk

[grim hound]

So fast that they literally decide to not cache it

[blazing ocean]

yes

[grim hound]

User#sendPacket

[ivory sleet]

Yes but System::identityHashCode is just the memory address basically

[grim hound]

Yes

But the UUID's hashCode it bound to be more unique

[ivory sleet]

And there is a difference to how collisions work w IdentityHashMap and HashMap

[blazing ocean]

my phone just froze for a solid thirty seconds wtfrick

[grim hound]

Or at least that's the whole idea behind being able to override that method

[ivory sleet]

indeed

[pseudo hazel]

oh right I found it, I think getApi().getPlayerManager().sendPacket is the same thing right?

[blazing ocean]

isn't there like PacketEvents.getPlayerManager().sendPacket()?

[blazing ocean]

yea

[grim hound]

I don't remember that

[pseudo hazel]

cool

thanks

[ivory sleet]

you want to distribute over the codomain of ints evenly

[blazing ocean]

you can use thst one

[grim hound]

There is

[ivory sleet]

well iirc HashMap has a better collision impl w linkedlists, whereas IHM just iterates around the array

[grim hound]

Link

[sleek estuary]

https://github.com/retrooper/packetevents-example/blob/2.0/shading-packetevents/src/main/java/main/PacketEventsListener.java

not have packetplayreceiveevent.class

have yes

srry

[grim hound]

That is a competly different thing to what you sent

[sleek estuary]

How do I do this with packet events?

[grim hound]

Can anyone help me with this?

[dire marsh]

you get stuff from the packet wrapper

new WrapperPlayClientSteerVehicle(event)

[grim hound]

Just read the example @sleek estuary

[slender elbow]

uh that might have been the case a decade ago but not anymore

[grim hound]

What

Wdym?

[eternal night]

[ivory sleet]

Ah alr, what changed Emily?

[slender elbow]

it's just based on some random algo

[ivory sleet]

oh right

[slender elbow]

especially considering that the gc is free to move objects around

[ivory sleet]

myea fair enough

[sleek estuary]

maybe?

[dire marsh]

yes

[sleek estuary]

is sync?

[grim hound]

Btw is there any bungeecord development support channel?

[grim hound]

No

Everything is done on netty threads

There's usually 4 overall

And each player only has ever 1

[sleek estuary]

idk what exactly is netty thread

i know what is thread, but netty no

[grim hound]

So when a player has it's transfer on thread#0 it will always been on that thread

[grim hound]

Netty is the API used for data transportation

So sending, receiving

[sleek estuary]

and to get the player instance in packetplayreceiveevent, is possible without use bukkit.getplayer(user.getname) ?

[grim hound]

Used by minecraft since 1.8

[grim hound]

Yes

[sleek estuary]

lib for minercraft?

or java

[sleek estuary]

how

[grim hound]

It's a lib for java

Used by minecraft

[grim hound]

Try User#getPlayer

[sleek estuary]

not have

[grim hound]

Uh

[dire marsh]

event.getPlayer

[grim hound]

No

[dire marsh]

you'll have to cast it to the bukkit player

[sleek estuary]

returns player (bukkit) instance?

here say Object

[dire marsh]

yes

[sleek estuary]

ok

[dire marsh]

.

packetevents is multi-platform which is why

[grim hound]

Cuz it's for many platforms

Like bungeecord will have a different player

[sleek estuary]

Do I have the guarantee that casting will never throw an exception or do I have to check?

[grim hound]

But remember

[sleek estuary]

oh ok

[grim hound]

The Player object does not exist until PlayerJoinEvent

(At least for PE)

It's null before that

[sleek estuary]

not have?

[sleek estuary]

I don't even touch this event

but thanks

[grim hound]

Have

Name different

[sleek estuary]

im not seeing

[grim hound]

Search

[grim hound]

I'm telling you because packets flow before that event as well

[sleek estuary]

how the steer vehicle packet will be called before the player enters

[grim hound]

It won't

"Play" packets are called after JoinEvent

But for example "Handshaking" or "Login" packets are called before

[sleek estuary]

from what I understand here, you said that the event I'm working on (packetplay...) is called before entering too

[grim hound]

It's not

[sleek estuary]

It must have been the translator who misunderstood

not have look packet 😢

[grim hound]

Search more

[sleek estuary]

on play.client not have

only play.server

on protocollib i was using play.client

[grim hound]

Weird

[sleek estuary]

maybe works

[grim hound]

Btw, how can I have two plugins (one on Bungeecord, the other on one of it's servers) exchange information fast?

[grim hound]

No

ENTITY HEAD LOOK

is when an entity turns it's head

It's to inform others about that

It's not the player LOOK

[fierce salmon]

weirdly im able to connect to my database through jdbc in my minecraft plugin but it doesn't let me connect through phpmyadmin

[sleek estuary]

and I want it

[grim hound]

It's sent to every player to update that ANY entity has turned it's head

So this is invoked many times

[sleek estuary]

oh

api example only have packet events

[grim hound]

There should be just LOOK

[sleek estuary]

not have

[grim hound]

PLAYER_LOOK

[sleek estuary]

FACE_PLAYER?

[grim hound]

Maybe

See the class

[sleek estuary]

I wanted to do this

[grim hound]

The wrapper class that is

[grim hound]

Do not use any "read"

Or "write"

Methods

[sleek estuary]

on manager?

[grim hound]

Since they're for doing unholy stuff

[grim hound]

On packets

On manager do

[sleek estuary]

maybe this

[sleek estuary]

on manager idk what i make

yaw is always 0

maybe player.getlocation.getyaw fixes

[grim hound]

PacketType.Play.Client.PLAYER_ROTATION

is what the client sends when he just turns his head

PacketType.Play.Client.PLAYER_POSITION_AND_ROTATION is what he sends when he also moves at the same time

are UUIDs forwarded on bungeecord?

[sleek estuary]

thx

[sleek estuary]

I just saw that my uuid is the same in the proxy and in backend server, so probably yes.

im using velocity

[grim hound]

the man himself said that there can be two

[sleek estuary]

copy the text pls

[grim hound]

I understand that he said that each player can't possibly have two

Each server can't give a different uuid since each player name can only possibly have two. An online one and an offline one.

[sleek estuary]

Each server can't give a different uuid since each player name can only possible have two. An online one and an offline one.

[remote swallow]

backend spigot servers are in offline mode

[grim hound]

but I guess it's like that for every server

[sleek estuary]

then it matches the statistics I told you

my uuid on velocity equals with backend

[grim hound]

so what if the only allowing server is in online mode

[grim hound]

and it forwards to an offline mode?

[sleek estuary]

armorstand not teleporting. any solution?

[remote swallow]

all backend spigot servers are offlien

its only frontend bungee servers that should be online mode

[grim hound]

btw

Can I make something like this: my spigot plugin on each spigot backend server and my bungeecord plugin which coordinates their data?

[remote swallow]

yeah

[grim hound]

is this how you do it?

[remote swallow]

just make sure you account for data when they move across servers and spigot will get leave but they might not actually leave

[remote swallow]

that requires a player to be online so if you only manage data while their online yes

if not use something like redis

[grim hound]

how does this work exactly then?

[grim hound]

and why only when they're online?

[echo basalt]

it just uses the player's connection

[remote swallow]

^^

[grim hound]

to communicate between servers?

[echo basalt]

Yeah

[remote swallow]

yeah

[grim hound]

the fuq

[echo basalt]

sends a client -> server packet from the proxy, through the player, to the backend

reverse process also works

[grim hound]

isn't that

like terrible?

[echo basalt]

a little

[grim hound]

I hate that already

then how can I transfer it undependingly of the player's connection?

[remote swallow]

redis

[grim hound]

wassdat

[remote swallow]

basically llike an in memeory db

[sleek estuary]

why armorstand not is teleporting?

[grim hound]

uhh

how do I use that

for server communication?

and is it free?

[sleek estuary]

You didn't know about Redis?

[grim hound]

I have no idea what that is

[sleek estuary]

omg -'

[sleek estuary]

yes

[grim hound]

I need a way to create a connection between the bungeecord and the spigot server for a data transfer

[echo basalt]

redis pubsub

[sleek estuary]

redis or plugin channel

[sleek estuary]

hey

[small valve]

What event would I use on bungeecord to check if a player has successfully connected to a server?

Is it ServerConnectedEvent? This seems to be the instant before joining the server. The problem is sometimes the server kicks the player for some unknown reason; could be a ban or something else. I want something that fires only once the player is inside the server.

[grim hound]

PlayerLoginEvent

[small valve]

This event doesn't exist via bungeecord

https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-api/latest/index.html

These are the only ones I see

[grim hound]

then PostLoginEvent

[small valve]

This is again prior to the player actually joining the server

am i just SOL? 😭

[dusty herald]

what are you trying to accomplish

[small valve]

I want to send a proxy-wide join message iff a player successfully joins an underlying server.

[dusty herald]

    @EventHandler
    public void onPostLogin(PostLoginEvent postLoginEvent) {
        // CODE
    }```

tada

[small valve]

I'll try that and get back to you all, I thought i tried this a while ago and it was the instance before logging in

[dusty herald]

bungeecord has a few events for listening to player connections due to it being a proxy 😄

like ServerConnectEvent

so PostLoginEvent would be for a player joining the proxy but doesn't re-fire whenever joining a server within the network (i think), ServerConnectEvent would fire for each server switch (i think)

[sleek estuary]

why armorstand not is teleporting?

[chrome beacon]

Don't send code as image

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[chrome beacon]

also show the entire method

[sleek estuary]

https://paste.md-5.net/fozemasoro.cs

[chrome beacon]

you're printing the same location in before and after?

I'm not sure what the point of that is

[sleek estuary]

yes

[pliant topaz]

don't tell me that's 1.8.8

[sleek estuary]

teleport the armorstand

[sleek estuary]

no

[grim hound]

that's

[sleek estuary]

is spigot-1.8.799999999999999999999

[grim hound]

terrible

[dusty herald]

in the schedular try cloning the location

[sleek estuary]

same thing

im tried already

[grim hound]

the player can just change this as he sees fit

[pliant topaz]

can i ask why you don't use a newer version? just curious

[sleek estuary]

but armorstand.getlocation creates new object already

so clone is lower performance

[small valve]

Now ProxiedPlayer#getServer is null 😭 which I need

[chrome beacon]

sending the same message twice has nothing to do with with teleporting

[sleek estuary]

brazilian community

not have pc for 1.20

[dusty herald]

which event are you using

[grim hound]

ServerSwitchEvent?

[pliant topaz]

oh, okay, thats unfortunate :/

[sleek estuary]

what you want mean

[small valve]

I'm using PostLoginEvent

I was using ServerConnectedEvent but that fires event when a player just joins the proxy but gets disconnected immediately after

[dusty herald]

send code

[chrome beacon]

I asked what the point of sending the same message twice is and your answer was teleporting the player

which doesn't make sense

[young knoll]

1.20 with some performance mods should run just as well as 1.8

[dusty herald]

don't mind this man with the CRV monitor who cannot run minecraft

[chrome beacon]

You don't need a powerful PC to run Minecraft

[sleek estuary]

I was wrong in sout

[sleek estuary]

minecraft runs on 1 gb ram?

and singlecore?

[chrome beacon]

a mid range pc from 10 years ago should be able to do it

[young knoll]

My 10 year old i7 still runs it fine

[dusty herald]

okay. try cloningi t

[sleek estuary]

1.1 ghz?

[sleek estuary]

on 1.20 of course

1.8 runs

[chrome beacon]

I'm sure you can afford something from within the last 10 years

[dusty herald]

@small valve it's null when the player hasn't connected to the server yet (Technically)

[small valve]

"Old" code

    @EventHandler
    public void onPlayerJoinProxy(ServerConnectedEvent event) {
        if (event.getPlayer().getGroups().contains("not-first-join")) return;  // If not first join, don't do anything.
        event.getPlayer().addGroups("not-first-join");

        if (plugin.getConfig().getAsBoolean(ConfigDataKey.VANISH_ENABLED) && BungeeVanishAPI.isInvisible(event.getPlayer())) return;  // Ignore if invisible.

        join(event.getPlayer(), event.getServer(), false);
    }

"New" code

    @EventHandler
    public void onPostLogin(PostLoginEvent event) {
        if (event.getPlayer().getGroups().contains("not-first-join")) return;  // If not first join, don't do anything.
        event.getPlayer().addGroups("not-first-join");

        if (plugin.getConfig().getAsBoolean(ConfigDataKey.VANISH_ENABLED) && BungeeVanishAPI.isInvisible(event.getPlayer())) return;  // Ignore if invisible.

        plugin.getProxy().getScheduler().schedule(plugin, () -> {
            join(event.getPlayer(), event.getPlayer().getServer(), false);
        }, 50L, TimeUnit.MILLISECONDS);
    }

I delayed it by 50 milliseconds to see if that's what's causing the null server.

[dusty herald]

which happens sometimes

[sleek estuary]

I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about Brazilians

anyway, 1.8 is the most played version

[dusty herald]

nah it's not

that would be 1.2.5

[sleek estuary]

and hosting becomes much more expensive for 1.20

[small valve]

Is there no event for when the player successfully joins the server (not proxy)?

[dusty herald]

what ???

[dusty herald]

that makes ZERO sense.

[sleek estuary]

i pay 20$

to host 800 players

on 1.8

you can make this on 1.20?

[dusty herald]

that's a skill issue :)

[wise mulch]

How do I generate a tree with a bee nest? I see LimitedRegion has an option to place trees, but I don't see any option to make it generate with a bee nest. Does it do so automatically?

[dusty herald]

You can easily get a cheap VPS for less

[sleek estuary]

of course not

[wise mulch]

Use Folia

[sleek estuary]

bro

[wise mulch]

Also you are underestimating how optimized Spigot is these days

[dusty herald]

okay imma be real with you 110%.

paper.

[sleek estuary]

1 dedicated without plugins, just with the .jar itself, it already takes up I don't know how much processor/ram

i use a cpu 4º generation

[dusty herald]

BARELY ANY

[wise mulch]

Paper is not necessary, it seems that vanilla Spigot 1.20.6 generates terrain faster than vanilla Spigot 1.16.5

[wise mulch]

Paper lobotomizes vanilla game mechanics

[sleek estuary]

for host 800 players

[young knoll]

If 1.8 can run it, a stripped down 1.20 can run it

[sleek estuary]

on 1.8

[pliant topaz]

The thing is, 800 players is really much, like, if all of em are online at the same time

my old pc had a 4th gen i5 and i would guess it couldnt handle such high player numbers

[young knoll]

Even hypixel only runs 100 on their largest servers

[wet breach]

this wouldn't be because of anything spigot did, rather mojang optimizing stuff. Spigot tends to not change any of the vanilla mechanics if it isn't necessary

[pliant topaz]

I mean, if we account for enterprise level hardware, maybe a bit over 1000 players max until it starts lagging? something like that prob

[timid spear]

Heya,

me again.

What is the equivalent of ConfigurationProvider?

[chrome beacon]

?configs

[undone axle]

See this wiki page on how to use custom configuration files: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/config-files/

[wet breach]

no, enterprise level hardware wouldn't be able to handle it

you would need a completely custom implementation that makes it possible

[pliant topaz]

was just a guess, ik how powerful one of the new threadrippers is, but not how much such high player numbers would actually take up on performance

[young knoll]

Even folia’s test was only like 330

Granted it wasn’t 1.8 but still

[wise mulch]

Folia is only for new versions unfortunately

[sleek estuary]

i runs 800 without lag on 1.8 on i7-4790k

[wise mulch]

Society if Folia had a 1.8 and 1.16 version

[pliant topaz]

How ;-;

[young knoll]

Yeah I don’t buy that

[wise mulch]

Pics or it didn't happen

[sleek estuary]

lower spigot configs

and good plugins

[young knoll]

I have a 4770k and it struggles with 1 server and 1 client

[wet breach]

you can make whatever claims you want, but without verifiable proof you will be hard pressed to have many believe you on this

[sleek estuary]

Believe whoever wants. If you want I can send you a print with 200 ons

[young knoll]

200 != 800

[sleek estuary]

i not have prints of 800

[wet breach]

prints?

[sleek estuary]

I never actually got 800. just 600

[sleek estuary]

of 200? i have

[wet breach]

oh you mean screenshots

[young knoll]

So you claimed 800, but now you’re saying 600, and you only have proof of 200

[wet breach]

and the only way to get 600 is basically reducing stuff probably too almost 0

[chrome beacon]

claimed 800 multiple times
asked for proof backs down to 600
and only has proof of 200

[wet breach]

as you said, except that last part

[sleek estuary]

no, I just said I can get 800, but I never got it. I just got 600

[young knoll]

It also depends on how spread out they are

[sleek estuary]

I never caught it due to lack of players

[young knoll]

If you shove 800 players all in the same chunk it’ll run a lot better than 800 players playing survival

[sleek estuary]

view-distance: 3

for example

[pliant topaz]

Even 200 my machine would struggle, and i got an i7-12700K on 4% oc w/ 32GB 3600MHz, that on a i7-4470? idkkk

[young knoll]

lol

That sounds horrible to play

[wise mulch]

I don't see anywhere where a "level" instance is exposed. I'm checking everything in World and the event itself but there's nowhere to hook my random into

[timid spear]

Well, I know how to usually use configs.
My question was, if there is anything like the ConfigurationProvider from Bungeecord.
Because I am migrating this whole code from a Waterfall plugin into a new Spigot API plugin.

[sleek estuary]

nobody complained

[young knoll]

Level is NMS

[wise mulch]

Ah ok

[young knoll]

You need to cast to CraftWorld and then getHandle

[sleek estuary]

and the plugins weren't the best

[chrome beacon]

No use the yaml/file configuration class

[wise mulch]

"My nuts were always swelling, why would anyone complain about their nuts swelling"

[sleek estuary]

any solution to make the movement flow?

[wet breach]

I am sure if many of them are from a third world country, they would most likely not complain

[young knoll]

3 chunk render distance would not be fun in survival

Or even something like bedwars

[sleek estuary]

was factions

[young knoll]

Imagine someone building a cannon to attack your base

But it’s too far away for you to see

[sleek estuary]

no one complained about the gameplay 😂

[pliant topaz]

imma just be sayin, maybe not the best, but hey,
if it works, don't u dare touch it

[slender elbow]

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