help-development

[flat olive]

the issue is database space

thats why I asked if I had to fr store EACH user

[ivory sleet]

Y2k might be unalived when I say this however all he is saying is just use luckperms

[quaint mantle]

Ok

So I am not sure to pr

[river oracle]

Did you sign the CLA

[quaint mantle]

I wanted to expose a #clone method in BlockState

[drowsy helm]

it will be a few kb for a thousand players

[quaint mantle]

Yeah, months ago I was accepted

[drowsy helm]

wtf do you plan on storing? their whole life or smth

[ivory sleet]

@flat olive

Its only a problem w mysql

Postgresql etc

W mongodb u can scale horizontally

So dw about that

[quaint mantle]

It says something about using JUnit 5

How do I write a test for a minecraft server?

lol

[flat olive]

ah I see

[drowsy helm]

theres a dummy test server lib

[flat olive]

so mongodb is suitable

[ivory sleet]

I mean yeah

[flat olive]

okay I plan on remaking luckperms thanks

[ivory sleet]

Good luck

[river oracle]

Alr then fork CB and clone CB. Then fork Bukkit and clone Bukkit add your api method in Bukkit run mvn install. Now you need to apply patches run build tools. Redirect applyPatches to decompile latest idk the windows command so you're on your own. Once you are done with that get adding.

[flat olive]

LOL

I mean to be honest

[drowsy helm]

I have given up trying to compete with lucko on any plugin genre he makes

dude is too talented

[river oracle]

I reccomend you see a psychiatrist before the chronic depression sets in

[spare mason]

What new things Will we be able to do with the nbt changes?

[river oracle]

Don't bother with testing unless MD brings it up 90% of things can't be tested

[ivory sleet]

Not much rly

I mean there are new tags

[river oracle]

Nothing new besides breaking internals

[kind hatch]

There's tests? lol

[flat olive]

making a basic luckperms wouldnt be hard right? its just concept of ranks and storing users and permissions within the ranks, along with a web application using react w nodejs linking up the database allowing you to edit every user in a web app, and making a gui in game to grant and remove ranks

my goal is to make a fully custom server, fully custom everything..

[river oracle]

Yes for CB and Bukkit mostly used for registiees and commodore AFAIK

[ivory sleet]

@spare mason the big thing is that loading them and validating them is done eagerly

[spare mason]

I Heard about multishot bows, is It real?

[ivory sleet]

instead of lazily

[drowsy helm]

more complicated than it sounds

[river oracle]

Hahabahahahahahahhaahahaha

[kind hatch]

That's just an enchantment for crossbows.

[drowsy helm]

theres many many many layers to that

[ivory sleet]

so its somewhat faster

But yes

They have their own tags, I believe enchantment glint was added also

[river oracle]

💯

[spare mason]

What is glint?

[ivory sleet]

Amongst many other “from now on” built in tags

[river oracle]

Sparkly look after you enchant

[kind hatch]

Ayo, if you find out how to get a webserver ran through a plugin, please let me know.

[quaint mantle]

ty so much

[ivory sleet]

Deploy spring

[spare mason]

Wasnt there a flag for that?

[flat olive]

alright, whats complicated about luckperms that would be hard to replicate, throw it all at me and ill challenge myself into writing it up with mongodb

[river oracle]

No

[ivory sleet]

Just take a look at its features board

[flat olive]

Alrighty, haven't used luck perms in years, my goal is to make a server fully custom coded

using a single plugin

[ivory sleet]

Good luck

Again

[flat olive]

doing pretty good so far

[drowsy helm]

bad idea

[flat olive]

Why? wouldn't it make the server run smoother?

[drowsy helm]

no

[river oracle]

Pretty sure JanTuck has done enough psych classes to help this person

[drowsy helm]

one thing breaks, whole server breaks

[kind hatch]

Until something in the plugin crashes and locks the server up.

[drowsy helm]

not to mention maintainability

[flat olive]

dang you're right

[kind hatch]

It's better to separate systems.

[flat olive]

💀

[ivory sleet]

The problem is presumably your inexperience

if you were experienced u’d concern urself over many things, and it would take way too much time custom coding everything to ur likings as a subsequence

[flat olive]

I'm more advanced in web development, moving to java from js (spigot) is kinda challenging trying to figure out how things work with minecraft

[river oracle]

Which is why CabernetMC will be leaving the bukkit ecosystem!!!!

[drowsy helm]

sounds like you're reinventring the wheel aswell

[ivory sleet]

and by inexperience I mean things like, how to design your code, how to maintain it in the long run, how to make it safe from bugs etc

Java is harder than JavaScript

well, it can be

in the case of fully coding a custom plugin

[drowsy helm]

I did the same thing with my first big server. Then realised my code was horrible and refactored 20k lines of code.

[ivory sleet]

It prob is, at least when u start using concurrent classes from java, and other intricate mechanisms

[river oracle]

Hard disagree have you seen how many frameworks there are. Not to mention language flavors it's taken them what 10 years to make the language usable. I'd argue java is easier you don't have 200 competing standards for 1 task 🥲

[spare mason]

If its a private server it isnt a bad idea, if the plugin is public is a terrible idea

[flat olive]

JavaScript is pretty hard

[drowsy helm]

eh

once you learn the intricacies it's easy

[flat olive]

took me a good 4 months to learn everything but getting into frameworks such as angular and react was a whole new level

[spare mason]

Math of strings...

[ivory sleet]

Yeah the frameworks can be hard

but like

[drowsy helm]

JS is just inconsistent

[ivory sleet]

The language itself at core

[spare mason]

Is bukkit a framework?

[drowsy helm]

I wouldn't call that hard, just annoying

[river oracle]

Man if only Javascript stayed out of the backend 💀

[ivory sleet]

def

[drowsy helm]

yeah, ig you could call it one

[ivory sleet]

Node js is a deep swamp to never touch

[drowsy helm]

JS front end is amazing, JS backend is hell on earth

[ivory sleet]

React compiler hits different, doesnt it?

[kind hatch]

npm can go fuck itself.

[drowsy helm]

can easily say JS is the best front-end framework lang to work with

[flat olive]

so anyways what you're saying is, I should try and make all of my plugins separated that way if something breaks then not everything breaks?

[river oracle]

Wow I wonder why it works well on the front end not like it was made for that or anything

[drowsy helm]

didnt it only just come out

[ivory sleet]

Yea

[kind hatch]

Just get good with css. :p

[drowsy helm]

and don't reinvent the wheel

[ivory sleet]

Whats ur end goal

[spare mason]

What is the diference? Havent used a proper framework before

[drowsy helm]

the more plugins and features you make, the more refactoring and upkeep you have to do

[ivory sleet]

If its only pure custom for the sake of custom

[river oracle]

CSS is Turing complete if you have to use js you just aren't good enough

[ivory sleet]

Then it doesnt matter if u split ur jars up or not

[flat olive]

my end goal is to fully develop the server with my own custom code, I dont mind refactoring and updating for bugs and everything I plan on having my server bug tested

[drowsy helm]

a framework provides structure, a library is functions that can be used

to put it simply

[ivory sleet]

There are certain advantages to separating the jars

[flat olive]

Hypixel is fully custom isnt it?

[drowsy helm]

not entirely

[flat olive]

What's that

[river oracle]

Bad ass benchmark too

[drowsy helm]

like 90% but they still use some popular plugins

[ivory sleet]

Independent redeployment

[spare mason]

Are frameworks a bunch of abstract classes?

[kind hatch]

Stability & Maintainability

[ivory sleet]

Well jars themselves dont rly provide that

i mean u have the java module platform system

but like

[drowsy helm]

yeah IG you could say that, something like spring or bukkit is a framework

[river oracle]

The second you look at what hypixel does as a benchmark for yourself is the second you've failed your pornwct :P

[ivory sleet]

Its more just being able to at runtime deploy

[drowsy helm]

whereas apache commons is a lbirary

[spare mason]

Hypixel probably even has a custom server.jar

[analog mantle]

what does this do in the placeholder expansion?

[drowsy helm]

100%

[river oracle]

Ofc they do

[drowsy helm]

most servers with >1k players have a custom jar

[river oracle]

They're still on a modified 1.7.10

[ivory sleet]

A classic one is, iirc, you call the library, but the framework calls you

[river oracle]

Iirc

[kind hatch]

Returns values from the config.

[flat olive]

So.. what do you prefer I do if I wanted to make everything fully custom, my own development

[drowsy helm]

If you are going to do it, brush up on your code structure, test driven development and SOLID principles

make sure your code base is solid before growing it

[flat olive]

Okay okay

[river oracle]

You power through and cry see you in 10 years :P

[drowsy helm]

If your foundations aren't good, you're gonna end up rewriting the whole thing

[flat olive]

🤣 I'm sure ill cry

I have 3 months deadline till summer

[spare mason]

Wtf, doing a custom server.jar isnt like the most complicated thing?

[river oracle]

Nms isn't that bad lol

[drowsy helm]

forking spigot, not really

[river oracle]

They run a modified fork of spigot

[worthy yarrow]

The stem has to be strong enough to support the branches right?

[drowsy helm]

spot on

[spare mason]

Probably of paper

[flat olive]

Should I purchase a custom jar from builtbybit to keep the server lag-free?

[river oracle]

Paper didn't exist yet but I appreciate the guess

So no not paper

Spigot

[spare mason]

Oh hypixel?

Ofc

[analog mantle]

Can someone send the exact tutorial for placeholder api just to make a thing that returns a value based on the identifier

[drowsy helm]

hypixel server jar is probably so far deviated from spigot

[wet breach]

Depends. I can make one probably in like a 2-3 hours. Really what is needed is the protocol. How you implement everything else is up to you.

[spare mason]

They may even have a custom compiler

[drowsy helm]

I imagine they are going to really benefit from this new update with the transfer packets

their proxies are the biggest bottleneck

[spare mason]

But like, why? What are the benefits in making a custom one

[drowsy helm]

but moving all those systems over are another story

[kind hatch]

The wiki is the tutorial.

[flat olive]

welp this is a whole new world for me but im sure I'll be able to do it 🤣

[spare mason]

What are those?

[analog mantle]

I'm reading it and I don't get it

[ivory sleet]

Try, fail and repeat until success :)

[drowsy helm]

in 1.20.4 there will be packets to send players to different servers

effecitvely making bungeecord useless

no proxy required

[wet breach]

There is stuff you may not need the server to be doing that always happens. So by making a custom jar you reduce this overhead in terms of memory and cpu cycles.

[spare mason]

But is It better than bungeecord?

[drowsy helm]

well no proxy will be needed, so yes

[flat olive]

@ivory sleet will purchasing a custom server jar like from builtbybit or something be good for making the server lag free since all the memory will be going into one singular plugin?

[drowsy helm]

proxies are a major bottleneck network bandwidth wise

[spare mason]

Then 2b2t has 100% one

[wet breach]

Ok not sure why that matters

[spare mason]

Oh so they are integrated with the client?

[river oracle]

No lmao most of those jars do like nothing on top of spigot if you're concerned about performance use paper

[ivory sleet]

idk

[river oracle]

If you're working with 1.8 there are specialized 1.8 forks that may be worth it

[drowsy helm]

custom jars are only useful when you have a big playerbase and each bit of efficiency matters

with <1k players it's essentially useless

[ivory sleet]

Ur vision doesnt really match up with ur skillset

Balance

Without being rude

[river oracle]

I'd use folia before a custom jar

[spare mason]

You could spend all that money on a folia server and lag Will cease from existing

[flat olive]

Folia?

[wet breach]

If performance is what you are looking for then you need a completely custom jar built from the ground up. That means removing bukkit and mojangs code and redoing many things and removing anything that you dont need

[spare mason]

Wasnt out there a jar that did that?

[river oracle]

Basically this mad man rewrote large parts of mc to be completely Multithreaded

[spare mason]

Pufferfish or something like that?

[river oracle]

That's about it

[river oracle]

Minestom

Pufferfish is a paper fork iirc

[analog mantle]

what does the method public String onRequest(OfflinePlayer player, String params) { do? what is params and what is player?

[drowsy helm]

Notchian server is pure shit

[spare mason]

Some jar to multithread that IS so good that It dissapeared the lag of 2b2t

[wet breach]

Idk, plenty of groups have made their own to include myself. However most dont release these jars because enterprise level stuff is not something people are willing to give out for free

[river oracle]

It's not gone but it's minimized

Folia is still not production ready iirc

[flat olive]

So I don't even need to spend money on a custom jar, I don't even need to remake it.. somebody already made folia.. right where can I purchase a server?

[drowsy helm]

Pretty far form it

[spare mason]

What do one has to learn to do one?

[wet breach]

Mojang is not in the business to give you enterprise level software for free neither is spigot

[river oracle]

Just read wiki.vg

And implement the protocol

[wet breach]

Networking and protocol

[spare mason]

Ohhh networking, wasnt that like the Vietnam for coders?

[river oracle]

I need to do this still might do it as a summer project for the funsies

[wet breach]

I see we have a troll

[flat olive]

Rewriting Mojangs code to make a server faster would be incredibly hard..

[wet breach]

Its not

[drowsy helm]

Been done

[river oracle]

Not hard just time consuming

[wet breach]

This

[drowsy helm]

Minestom

[spare mason]

I havent done nothing with that, if i learn It do i have to expect a good time or want to be dead

[flat olive]

to be honest the only thing I really wanted to buy a custom jar for was the /tps plugin (because it looks really nice and feels nice) and lag free tnt explosions 🤣

[ivory sleet]

I think its pretty hard to

Because you need to consider a lot of design

[drowsy helm]

Correct me if im wrong but we have 0 mojang documentation for packets

[river oracle]

I mean for me it'd be hard as I don't have an inate grasp on voxek rendering and networking etc but I'd wager it's probably not too crazy once yoj look into that stuff

[river oracle]

Correct wiki.vg ftw

[wet breach]

Most jars for sell for custom server are scams. Most devs who woulf make something like this dont go around selling jars rather they sell and market their services

[flat olive]

is there anything thats not a scam?

[wet breach]

However it is not cheap to have someone make you a custom server

[flat olive]

oh yeah for sure

willing to pay $300 or more

[ivory sleet]

spigot, paper

[spare mason]

Well, you have nms and thats a jar

[ivory sleet]

These known brands

[echo basalt]

custom is like 15k

speaking from experience

[flat olive]

theres no way

[spare mason]

Wtf

[flat olive]

thats more than my truck

[spare mason]

People making those are making bank

[analog mantle]

ok wait is this all you need for a placeholder expansion?

[echo basalt]

I know manacube paid anywhere from 20-40k I don't remember the exact figure

p much

[flat olive]

would folia be better than a custom jar or nah

[ivory sleet]

Folia is good if players are spread out

[spare mason]

Hypixel custom jar would be expensive as hell

[wet breach]

Well the last time i made a custom network i made something like $10k. So $15k is about right for today

[echo basalt]

I'm making a minigame network for a spanish studio and I've made like 2.5k last couple weeks

[spare mason]

How many months do It even took you to do It?

[wet breach]

Depends. But at minimum 3 months the one i did took 6 months because it involved automated vms

[echo basalt]

ah automated vms my favorite

I'd prob charge 5k for that alone

[flat olive]

automated vms?

[spare mason]

I dont know what it is but It sounds scary

[echo basalt]

basically on demand load balancing type deal

if you need more servers it gives you more servers

[wet breach]

Virtual machines

[echo basalt]

It's also nice for deploying updates n shi

[flat olive]

vms in a custom jar???

[wet breach]

No

[flat olive]

bro 💀

[echo basalt]

for example at work we just run a game per world

And always have 5 games for each template in the "joinable" state at any given time

But at some point the servers are gonna get overloaded

[spare mason]

You guys could even make a branch with all that knowledge

[echo basalt]

I make a living out of this

[wet breach]

Probably but some of us dont have that interest

[flat olive]

What do you guys do for a living though?

[echo basalt]

minecraft poogin

[flat olive]

how many racks yall making a year

[river oracle]

College

[echo basalt]

uH

[wet breach]

I am a tire technician and i mount and dismount semi tires on trucks and trailers

[echo basalt]

idk how much I made last year but my goal for this year is 50k

[spare mason]

How many years of experience do you guys even have?

[echo basalt]

8

[worthy yarrow]

negative racks indeed

[flat olive]

Wow thats nice

[wet breach]

From my work i make anywhere from 60k to 80k a year

[spare mason]

Wtf

[river oracle]

Nah I'm still In HS just full time dual credit which means it's free for me atm

[wet breach]

From my investments if i pulled them all. Mil plus

[echo basalt]

avg usa job

yet I'm still the one buying ppl nitro

[spare mason]

At least in my country that is being a rich man

[echo basalt]

mf

yeah ppl in my country make like 10k a year

[wet breach]

I gave oliver 2 months so he good for a while lol

[worthy yarrow]

Ah nice at least that'll give ya a few credits off the final bill

[river oracle]

A mil is a good amount in the US too

[echo basalt]

I bought y2k couple nights ago

[flat olive]

my goal was to be like my brother, hes been in web development for a few years and hes making 200,000/year but now im starting to wonder, do I even like web development? I sort of want to branch off into a new experience instead of me having 6 years of web development experience all bc he got me started

[river oracle]

My parents have to pay for the rest since I can't qualify for federal loans

[worthy yarrow]

Can't?

[wet breach]

Well that is a low estimate. I dont really have an exact amount just know currently over a mil

[river oracle]

He's

[spare mason]

Do you guys think that Minecraft Will be still a good market in the Next years?

[river oracle]

Yes

[worthy yarrow]

odd

[echo basalt]

eh

5-10 years sure

100? no

[worthy yarrow]

Never knew loans for school got denied

[spare mason]

I want to try to make a living out of this

[worthy yarrow]

Oh wait you can't even apply for one

[river oracle]

Uhm well we are somewhat well off ig I don't like to admit that but it's true

[wet breach]

This is the thing. Especially with web development. You have to have have some kind of want for it

[river oracle]

I can't even apply for one

[echo basalt]

as long as you live in a poor country you'll be fine but the thing is

the people making livings out of minecraft are already established devs

[wet breach]

However you can still learn it though. I started from web development

[flat olive]

Yeah exactly.. ive lost interest in it

I wanted to do cybersecurity, but im unsure of what I still want to do

[worthy yarrow]

Well I suppose it only matters if you don't make something of that education

[spare mason]

I mostly want to learn what people likes to then try to make a game

[wet breach]

There is a lot of stuff you have to learn for this. To include boring stuff and stuff you just might not get lmao

[river oracle]

I'm planning to do compsci with an emphasis in embedded systems

Good money and different from my hobby

[flat olive]

I'm actually 18 about to go into college. Lost at words for what to do in my life, I find java development crappy (too many errors every second but easily refactorable and fixable) but its fun when you make something out of it and I wonder if I can make a living off of this within this community and as a java developer alone

[echo basalt]

I'm 18 too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet breach]

However know this, if you just want a business you dont need to know anything. You can hire people to take care of that

[echo basalt]

when this industry eventually dies down I'll probably get a network / basic IT job and just chill for a while

[worthy yarrow]

Well it's a degree and something that'll take you places... you just have to control the steering wheel man

[spare mason]

Wtf programming since 10, this dude has future

[echo basalt]

programming since 6*

[ivory sleet]

Yea

[echo basalt]

the 8 years are professional experience

[wet breach]

I been programming since i was 10

[ivory sleet]

I mean if u find it fun, continue Balance

[river oracle]

Ahhh my end goal is management I always feel much more comfortable managing people even though I can code pretty well

[worthy yarrow]

I started block coding at like 11

[echo basalt]

I couldn't consider 6yo dirt eater code experience

[worthy yarrow]

then java at 13

[wet breach]

When i was 6 there was only them machintoshes lmao

[river oracle]

I despised block code since day 1

I never used it before

[flat olive]

@wet breach I swear i've talked to you before somewhere

[worthy yarrow]

I was block coding cuz I didn't even know an ide was a thing

[echo basalt]

I started by making shitty c# bots for a flash game

[spare mason]

Is Minecraft better for solo devs or groups of devs?

[echo basalt]

it depends

[spare mason]

A lot of groups of devs are Rising in the spanish community

[echo basalt]

I find having a team with experience in multiple niches more beneficial than a solo titan dev

[river oracle]

I'm still young so really doesn't matter. I could've probably graduated college by now but I somewhat am glad my parents encouraged me to take it slow

[wet breach]

Call centers use java a lot and there is few other places too. Sometimes it can be crappy but it is no different then the other languages just you have different specific crap for each

[spare mason]

One made an event where even dream participated

[worthy yarrow]

Well it's not like I'm older, I'm only 17 man

[echo basalt]

eh

[river oracle]

:P fair

[echo basalt]

I work for a spanish studio, I don't need to be spanish to work there

[flat olive]

Yeah true, I applied for a remote job today for RPG Programming, the language is very old

[wet breach]

Most definitely even if some of them dont do much because brain storming solutions and ideas with a group like this is extremely effective

[echo basalt]

Yeah

For example my homie's more of a code monkey

I kinda despise making menus n shit

and custom items

I've been enjoying making like

highly customizable minigames & infrastructure lately

[spare mason]

Not really but I refer to Spanish people, latam

[echo basalt]

Yeah my entire team is spanish / latam

[worthy yarrow]

Newest hypixel minigame dev???

[echo basalt]

no im independent for now

[flat olive]

soy hablo espanol, solo un poco.. 🤷‍♂️

[rough ibex]

when do you update your minigame guide thingy

[worthy yarrow]

Haha just saying that cuz of choco

[echo basalt]

when I have the time

[flat olive]

still learning

[rough ibex]

wheres the original anyway

[echo basalt]

github

but the original is obsolete by now

I've built A LOT of code since then

[spare mason]

Are streamers our Friends or our enemies?

[rough ibex]

I see

[echo basalt]

And the current pace at work is like

releasing 2 games a week

and a major system in between game releases

So for example

Game, Party system, Game, Friends system, Game, Guilds system, Game, Pets?

idfk

[flat olive]

to be honest they make lots of income and have the power to steal all of our playerbases or our potential customers for selling plugins off of stores so.. in other words yes

[worthy yarrow]

How many team members?

[wet breach]

Since you dont know what to do yet. I highly suggest taking some finance courses. Jobs especially like mine are not going to make you rich if that is your goal. But learning finance related things and how to invest in stuff or what you can or should invest into will benefit you now because 2 decades from now it will make you money. And not just talking stocks best to stay away from stocks lol.

[echo basalt]

1 dev and like 15 team members

[wet breach]

Also learn business too

[worthy yarrow]

Jeez you're single dev with all that work load?

[echo basalt]

Yeah

[spare mason]

Sabes de eufonía studio?

[echo basalt]

I've been doing it for nearly 3 weeks

[worthy yarrow]

Mental deuteriation at all?

eh

[echo basalt]

sleeping every other day

[worthy yarrow]

not the correct autocorrect

close enough I guess?

[echo basalt]

But we already have like 2 games, cosmetics n shi

sunday's update involves releasing a new game, party & friends menus (rn it's really scuffed with commands), localizing the whole network and redoing all VFX and sounds

[quaint mantle]

I am on Mac

[worthy yarrow]

vfx sounds like a bitch

[echo basalt]

yeah issa bitch

[wet breach]

However while i could technically retire i suppose right now, you need a job where you have a steady stream of income to make all the other investments work. I have the job i do because its easy and i am guaranteed 40 hours a week and i dont always work 40 hours lol.

[spare mason]

Do you guys think that players should download stuff?

[worthy yarrow]

What do you use for vfx?

ms paint? :p

[echo basalt]

sure buddy

[flat olive]

Dave Ramsey speech 🤣 No but you are right man, I'm going to take a business major in college soon and take computer science as a second, to be honest id love to own a business without wanting to get full depth into a programming job because a business typically can scale and earn way more than a salary for a developer. However, it's also just as hard as businesses fail, code fails but you can always reinovate just as you can a business. My thought process so far is that, technology is the future, so I find it best to focus my efforts near online businesses, or even programming..

[worthy yarrow]

Only reason I said that is because there is a show I really like on yt called "the big lez show" and it was all animated on ms paint

[rough ibex]

what do you mean

[worthy yarrow]

s3 really really made me question if it was ms paint or not

[spare mason]

Like needing a txp or something like that

[rough ibex]

sure if it's needed

resource packs can really make a game stand out

you can do a lot with them if you know how to wrestle with them.

[worthy yarrow]

^

txp are a bitch with all the pathings

[echo basalt]

resourcepacks my beloved

fuckin pain in the ass

[spare mason]

But why

[echo basalt]

had to make a blocks.json file to let it know to read folders

[rough ibex]

atlas likely

[echo basalt]

yuh

[rough ibex]

sort of a necessary evil

[spare mason]

We already can even make models out of block displays

[rough ibex]

helps a ton with loading times

[wet breach]

Well i learned finance stuff out of a need. My family used to be poor. Then one day i decided i didnt want to be poor anymore. So i set out to learn how to do just that. Now my family owns 23 acres of land in cali and we are looking to buy more property in Texas.

I have an easy job with an employer that cares about its employees and have all kinds benefits and i have money when i need it

I am basically set. But it took me like 10 years to accomplish all this

[flat olive]

man...

thats the life I want to live

[wet breach]

You have that ability just got to learn to do it

[worthy yarrow]

I'll put my 2 cents in but my father has worked in finance for the past 25 years and every job he has held except for a stock broker, he has absolutely hated. I assume it's better when you're not at a manager level but when it comes to dealing with these people alot of them genuinely need their hand held through the whole process. It becomes a pain after a long time of dealing with it I've heard :p.

[flat olive]

True, I bet

[wet breach]

And despite hating finance i am sure they recommend still learning it

[worthy yarrow]

Even when you're not needing to manage people, the workload that comes down for departments in most banks is abysmal...

[worthy yarrow]

Oh of course

It's a needed knowledge base for sure

[wet breach]

Finance and debt is what makes the world work

[spare mason]

When do i learn that on high school ._.

[worthy yarrow]

And the better you know it, the better you can exploit it

[wet breach]

Why exclude yourself from the world you know?

[wet breach]

Exactly this

There is all kind of potential and free money out that

[worthy yarrow]

I think most high schools enforce a basic economics class around 11'th-12'th

[wet breach]

So that property i have in cali. I convinced the state the give me a grant to remove trees

It cost me nothing to beutify the property

The state paid for it

[flat olive]

Oh yeah, im learning finance in money skills in 12th rn

have been the whole year

an entire course of dave ramsey

[worthy yarrow]

property value + 15-30k - nothing because frost is cool

[flat olive]

its very... not too too helpful

if im going to be honest

"get into stocks" " save $500 emergency funds"

"invest into stocks now!!"

[wet breach]

Actually removing some trees and the ground brush raised the value by about $100k

[worthy yarrow]

How big is your property??

oh wait

cali

[wet breach]

23acres

[worthy yarrow]

oh

and that

Damn let me build an a frame on an acre

[wet breach]

We bought the propert for like 380k

Right now property value from the adjuster is now at like 600k and some odd change

[flat olive]

wow

[rough ibex]

380k for 23 acres?

[wet breach]

We have had the property for like 5 years now

[flat olive]

value sure did go up

[rough ibex]

am I reading that right

[flat olive]

investing into reselling land might make you rich in years 😮

[wet breach]

Yeah but we are never selling it at least not anytime soon

[worthy yarrow]

Sounds like that property was bought 40 years ago

[flat olive]

the only real way of a shortcut in life ive found is "arbitrage"

[wet breach]

The funny part is we own the mineral rights and part of getting that grant we had to test the soil quality

The quality is 100/100 in cali

I could literally sell dirt

[rough ibex]

sitting on a gold dirt mine

[worthy yarrow]

How is it only estimated at 600k?

[flat olive]

a way to make a lot of money is buy land that has oil deep within it and start farming the oil and selling it to gas stations

[wet breach]

Because we only have a single house and its a manufactured home we modified. So the rest of the value is based on the land itself

So the more things i do to make the area look good, paving the road we own etc

[eternal oxide]

In a lot of countries you don't own teh resources under your land.

[worthy yarrow]

Ah damn... just build 60 more houses then bam: 14 million dollar property

[rough ibex]

or only to some depth

[flat olive]

true

[wet breach]

Increases its value. However the adjuster has limits on high each year to adjust value

So the doubling of value took 5 years to happen

It didnt happen in a single year

[rough ibex]

still that's an insane return rate

once you consider it

(I think anyway.)

[wet breach]

And also why baren land is more valuable

[worthy yarrow]

That's extremely good profit

[wet breach]

Baren land gives you more freedom

And you start from a lower value

From the governments perspective

So if the value is low and the seller sells low

You can make money in 5-10years

Now the other problem of the equation though is location and who would want to buy it

[worthy yarrow]

Maybe if you put a good house on it lol

[wet breach]

Cant just buy property in the middle of no where with little to no services nearby and expect someone wanting to buy that property for a high value lol

[analog mantle]

I'm 2/3 the way done with my plugin

[worthy yarrow]

Nicer house is a nicer house man

[analog mantle]

after only 2 days with absolutely zilch prior plugin experience. Is that good time?

[wet breach]

Yeah but you can take loans on the property to build a house yourself

So better to look for some empty lot

Closer to civilization lmao

[worthy yarrow]

You have 23 acres to do so

[wet breach]

My property ironically is in the mountains

[analog mantle]

Hey, sorry to be that guy, but do you mind moving to a different channel?

[wet breach]

Its elevation is 3,500ft

[worthy yarrow]

well I think on that note I'll just go to bed

[wet breach]

Lol

[worthy yarrow]

Anyways good discussion frost haha

[ornate heart]

What kind of plugin is it. What does it do

[flat olive]

would you say this would be a good spigot fork? https://builtbybit.com/resources/imanityspigot3-regular.10770/?ref=discover

[eternal oxide]

I have yet to see a "Good" Spigot fork.

[minor junco]

Probably not

[analog mantle]

"Danger Level" plugin

[flat olive]

you know where any good spigot forks are that would consist of allowing 1.20.4 to join?

[rough ibex]

is spigot not enough for you

[eternal oxide]

Why do you want a fork?

[rough ibex]

fork doesn't automatically mean good...

[analog mantle]

You get (configurable) 2 base danger, when you kill a player you get (configurable) 50% of their danger, if you kill a player with less then (configurable) 25% of your danger, you get punished and receive (configurable) negative effects. Every (configurable) 300 seconds, the top (configurable) 3 players with the highest danger coordinates get sent in chat.

[flat olive]

I want almost pure lagless server

with 1,000+ concurrent users on it

thats why

[eternal oxide]

Its also not a good idea asking for a recomended fork IN the Spigot discord.

[analog mantle]

All of the players who join the server's danger is saved to a json file containing their UUID and their danger level.

this is what the classpath looks like

[rough ibex]

I see that UnusedCode

[analog mantle]

ok

guys I got exposed

[wet breach]

Certainly. I am all for encouraging people to learn and make money. Everyone has the ability. You just just have to want it and willing to put work in for it. There is no such thing as easy money. Its taken me 15 years to build what i have and going. I been working since i was 11.

[spare mason]

For people that is not in the US this is basically impossible or 30+ years Minimum to do

[wet breach]

Depends where you are at i suppose but for the most part you can still make money

[spare mason]

You cant if you have a 300 dólar salary

[wet breach]

The problem is not learning or lack of people to teach

[wet breach]

I started out making barely $300 a week

[spare mason]

I am talking about 300 dolars a month

[eternal oxide]

If you live in a low income country your cost of living is also proportional. You are at an advantage when it comes to e-eCommerce.

[spare mason]

That is what most people here gain

[wet breach]

Sure but my salary was nothing at the time when i was in cali

[spare mason]

Not really

Food here isnt cheap

[eternal oxide]

Of course you are. It costs you less to live (day to day), where you can still charge teh same as everyone around the world for your services.

[spare mason]

Meat mostly is expensive

[wet breach]

You dont need meat everyday

Not even every month

[spare mason]

I know

[wet breach]

You need to learn what meals you can make that last

And i do know whats it like to not have food. My diet was top ramen and potatoes

For quite a bit of time

[eternal oxide]

My diet (at 21) was stolen milk, bread and eggs.

[wet breach]

I started from being poor and having nothing. And elgar is right. Having nothing is an advantage

You are not tied to a place or anything

Also you cant go lower then having nothing lol can only go up from there

What you have to learn is how to effectively manage and stretch the money you earn. It will take time

[eternal oxide]

NO fast food. No going out with friends. Money on essentials only. First few years will pay off.

[wet breach]

Exactly

Does it suck? Absolutely

[rough ibex]

Well, you can go lower

but not as much

the stakes aren't as high as you have less to lose

[wet breach]

But as long as you work hard to getting better pay or moving to a new area. It is only temporary for the suck

[eternal oxide]

Work hard. Save every penny, and don;t go for get rich quick schemes.

[spare mason]

Does the nbt tag change allows to directly modify damage from weapons?

[eternal oxide]

weapon damage is not in NBT, only bonuses/multipliers

[wet breach]

From the api i believe have to modify attributes. If using nms yeah can just directly modify nbt

Or is there an attribute thing in nms?

[spare mason]

Then what is the way to do a weapon with custom damage?

[wet breach]

As i said. From the api you use atteibutes

[eternal oxide]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/attribute/Attributable.html

[quaint mantle]

I added the method to BlockState

[wet breach]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/inventory/meta/ItemMeta.html#setAttributeModifiers(com.google.common.collect.Multimap)

[quaint mantle]

Both in Bukkit and CraftBukkit

How can I test it myself if it works?

How do I compile this CraftBukkit?

[wet breach]

Hit compile?

[quaint mantle]

Package?

[eternal oxide]

There is a walk though of how to build it

?contributing

?contribute

[undone axle]

You can find information about contributing to Spigot at the following links:
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/cla/
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/guide-contributing-to-spigot/
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/README.md
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/CONTRIBUTING.md

[wet breach]

Well you dont need to make patches until its ready

[eternal oxide]

Second link

[wet breach]

But you can compile what you have for youself

The patches are needed because that is what is used to officially distribute changes

[quaint mantle]

I mean

[wet breach]

For everyone else and submitting prs

[quaint mantle]

I cannot do maven package

It cannot find some stuff in CraftBukkit

[quaint mantle]

It already has the stuff I did add, I just wanna check myself if it works

[wet breach]

Yeah build bukkit, then cb

[quaint mantle]

ok

[wet breach]

You need to use install goal for bukkit

[quaint mantle]

When you mean build, it's maven package right?

[quaint mantle]

I did so already

[wet breach]

Cb you can use package

[quaint mantle]

Yeah

I did it in the same order

It just cannot find some methods

[wet breach]

If its erroring probably need to refresh or clear caches

I typically dont have this problem on netbeans lol

Except on rare occasion refreshing maven on a super large project

[quaint mantle]

there's no generation attribute in EntityVillager

I used BuildTools

[wet breach]

It might be inherited from somewhere? Not sure what it is you are doing lol

Or you might need to include a class from the minecraft jar

[quaint mantle]

I just changed the CraftBlockState class

Nothing else

[wet breach]

Have you tried restarting ide? Lol make sure to save first

[quaint mantle]

I did

I downloaded Bukkit, then CraftBukkit

[wet breach]

Then idk. As i said i dont typically have the problem you do right now

[quaint mantle]

Then I downloaded latest 1.20.4 build in a separate folder

Then I added BlockState#copy in Bukkit

Then the implementation in CraftBlockState in CraftBukkit

That's all I did

Nothing less or more

[wet breach]

Yeah i get that, just it seems its your ide that is the problem. The source you get from BT is compilable

I manually compile all the time

[analog mantle]

How can I add an NBT tag to an itemstack?

[quaint mantle]

Is not it something because of remapped mojang?

Or decompiling stuff?

I am really lost on this

[wet breach]

Dont think remapped would be the issue but i guess worth looking into

Cause that could be possible

[quaint mantle]

?contribute

[undone axle]

You can find information about contributing to Spigot at the following links:
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/cla/
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/guide-contributing-to-spigot/
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/README.md
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/CONTRIBUTING.md

[analog mantle]

will ItemMeta ever be null on an item?

[eternal oxide]

Air

[ornate heart]

is it possible to replicate the villager trading menu

nvm i found a resource

[quaint mantle]

How can I get my PR Id?

[remote swallow]

Create the pr and update it after

[analog mantle]

How can I make the player drop an item in their inventory?

[zealous osprey]

Btw, what is the use of using checkArgument instead of having an if-check?

[inner mulch]

I guess to send a errormessage if conditons are not met

Instead of having 4 lines he uses 1

[umbral ridge]

hey

whats the uh color symbol that gets changed from & to ...? I don't know how to type it

[eternal night]

§

[umbral ridge]

thanks

[drowsy helm]

is paypal the only wya to pay for a premium plugin?

[summer gale]

I just started using github in intellij idea and i created a repository using the VCS function but when i select push this appears. Also when i am creating the repository it isnt appearing in the github website
Image

[wet breach]

for future reference, it is called a section symbol

in case you need to search for it again, it is also 0021 for alt code on windows

[wet breach]

yes

[drowsy helm]

sweet

[wet breach]

well I guess not, as you could technically work something out with the author

and the author manually add you after that

[drowsy helm]

that makes my life a million times easier

[wet breach]

but you wouldn't have the same protections though

[drowsy helm]

Yeah, I'm not selling, want to make a verification system

[umbral ridge]

thanks frosted elf!

[valid burrow]

frosted elf 🧊 🧝

[halcyon hemlock]

define the remote as the github repo link

it created a local repo

[pallid oxide]

when you create reposity in intellij it creates local reposity its same as typing git init, u can google how to add repo to github from local

[summer gale]

Thanks

[quaint mantle]

?contribute

[undone axle]

You can find information about contributing to Spigot at the following links:
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/cla/
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/guide-contributing-to-spigot/
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/README.md
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/CONTRIBUTING.md

[drowsy helm]

Is there any way to discriminate a server through some sort of footprint? I want an ID of some sort which cannot be editted by the server owner and is unique to each machine

Ig i could use mac?

[old cloud]

MAC can be changed

[ivory sleet]

Like mac spoofing?

[drowsy helm]

yeah that shouldn't be an issue

I think it's my only option at making some sort of footprint for a server

[tender shard]

spigot used to have a server id in the api but it's gone

[old cloud]

What are you doing btw?

[tender shard]

🥲

[ivory sleet]

oo

thats scary

[tender shard]

it was deprecated in 1.13 and removed in 1.14

[drowsy helm]

ah man why

that would be perfect

[ivory sleet]

I does sound like it’d have some integrity issues

But yea

[tender shard]

tbf it was just a string in server.properties

so to recreate that, just throw UUID.randomUuid() into a file if not exists, or read the existing file, and you have the same effect

[ivory sleet]

Ah

thats goofy

[drowsy helm]

yeah need something that cant be changed by user

im gonna do a server ID + public ip

so machine locked

[wet breach]

you can spoof a mac address but you can't change the hardware mac unless you create the hardware yourself

[old cloud]

Yes, but that doesnt matter if the software gets fooled by spoofing right

[wet breach]

it depends

hardware is able to identify when a mac is spoofed

but, macs are not important though

they are only necessary to communicate to the next device and nothing more

[old cloud]

Yeah

[eternal night]

not that that matters much, your point of failure here isn't going to be someone spoofing their mac addresss they just decompile the plugin and fuck around in there

[drowsy helm]

If they're going to spoof the mac, they can decompile the plugin atp

they've earned it

[ivory sleet]

not sure how susceptible we’re to mac spoofing, like to what degree software and hardware implements mac filtering

[old cloud]

Yeah, as Long as you can change the software you cant really do a solid verification

[wet breach]

well macs are not used for verification anyways

[ivory sleet]

Yup true

i mean they shouldn’t be in most cases

[drowsy helm]

why's that the case?

is it a bad idea?

not really sure of any other approaches i could use

[wet breach]

because first off there is no guarantee any two hardwares have unique macs, thus there is backup of spoofing the hardware mac in such instances. Mac address are for the purpose of identifying network devices on the network before they have been assigned an address

otherwise how else would you communicate with such things

once a packet moves beyond one device, the previous device is forgotten about including the mac

its not preserved

[old cloud]

What are you trying to verify?

[drowsy helm]

Just trying out a proof of concept, making an api to keep track of whether a server has a valid premium plugin license

I will host a validation server which holds all copies of licenses, and whether a server has the valid license to run the plugin

[old cloud]

Maybe You could use asymmetric keys Like its used for ssh verification

[old cloud]

But keep in mind that as long as the plugin logic is inside the jar, there will always be a way to bypass the verification

[drowsy helm]

I want the client side to be opensource so can't have any keys

yeah, atp my philosphy is if they are decompiling the plugin or spoofing mac, they are gonna get verification either way

this is just to stop things like random people sharing plugin jars

not so much people with more knowledge

My idea is send the plugin's token + server footprint/id to the verification server, which then matches to db and returns accordingly

then on my api server side the plugin user and keep track of their licenses, add and remove servers. and plugin devs can add their plugins, set max amount of servers it can be used on, etc etc

[old cloud]

Pretty sure Asymmetric keys would do the thing

[drowsy helm]

Funny enough i learnt about that in my bach last year, and have completely forgot how they work

time to do some homework again

[wet breach]

then sign the jar

and check for integrity

[old cloud]

Whats that?

[drowsy helm]

I want this to be a public api

[wet breach]

ironically, the JDK alerts users when a signed jar was tampered with

[drowsy helm]

jar signing works, but each dev has to implement it on their own accord

[wet breach]

if its an api I don't see the issue you are having

[drowsy helm]

My approach uses like 3 lines on the plugin side, and everything will be trackable through the ui for devs

my issue is trying to make a footprint for each unique server that can't be tampered with

right now it looks like mac addr is my only way

or possibly asym keys

[tender shard]

signing .jars also wouldnt work with paid plugins on spigotmc

[old cloud]

I mean if you share the key its still possible to copy right

[drowsy helm]

thats why i want a unique id for each server

that can't be changed

if I use a key, there a posibility of copying it, if it's a footprint, that inherently cant be shared

[old cloud]

Who says you cant share the id

[drowsy helm]

well It's not stored anywhere if it's a footprint

I wanna stress the word footprint and not id

[old cloud]

Yeah but you can still modify Everything to bypass

[drowsy helm]

if it's a combination of things like mac, pub ip and some other shit then they surely can't have the same between two machines

[drowsy helm]

at that point they would have the know how to decompile the plugin and remove the api code anyway

[old cloud]

Just modify the API request lol

[drowsy helm]

so I feel theres no point trying to avoid that

[old cloud]

I mean thats not really difficult to do

[drowsy helm]

the average server owner doesn't know how to do that

[rare pike]

        boolean hasMending = inventory.getItemInMainHand().containsEnchantment(Enchantment.MENDING);
player.giveExp(event.getExpToDrop(), hasMending);

Is the code wrong? When an item has a mending enchantment, its durability does not increase

[old cloud]

Then they dont know how to use google

[tender shard]

don't underestimate the stupidity of the average server owner. there's a reason why all my plugins show this screen when double clicking the .jar

[drowsy helm]

you would be surprised

[old cloud]

Right

[drowsy helm]

scroll through #help-server for a minute and my point is proven LOL

[orchid hinge]

thats smart lol

[drowsy helm]

Anways, I've already thought of a genius name for this product

Paemi

[orchid hinge]

nice what you making?

[drowsy helm]

this

[orchid hinge]

nice, making it for public use?

[drowsy helm]

If it doesn't prove to be logistically stupid, sure

[old cloud]

How you wanna whitelist a id consisting of MAC and IP for your API btw ? @drowsy helm

[drowsy helm]

It's more of a portfolio project to fuck around with my server

[orchid hinge]

thats some hard criteria

[drowsy helm]

haven't got to the point yet

was just usin the noggin so far

[tender shard]

@drowsy helm https://github.com/oshi/oshi/blob/master/oshi-demo/src/main/java/oshi/demo/ComputerID.java

I just randomly found this while looking through oshi

(which is included in spigot btw)

[drowsy helm]

Can i kiss u alex

[orchid hinge]

couldnt you just: get the server ip, throw it through a scramble algorithm thingy, store it in a database and use that?

[tender shard]

ofc this "ComputerID" class is not included, but all the things it uses to generate the ID should be part of spigot's included version of oshi

[drowsy helm]

oh they just use sysinfo

ezpz

[tender shard]

but be quick, my bf comes home in a few minutes

[old cloud]

I still dont get how you wanna verify something of which you dont know that it exists

Or do you ask the server owner to send you their server id so you can add it to your api Server

[drowsy helm]

yeah it will point them to my website, which they just whack a code into

and boom

verified

then next load server asks api server if its verified, if it is, do not disabled plugin

[vocal cloud]

What happens if they have a dev server and a live server? The issue with this kinda thing is in theory it's sound but when put into practice there is just too many edge cases

[old cloud]

And how do you determine who can perform this action?

[drowsy helm]

they can add their individual servers on the ui

plugin dev can chose how many servers can be used per license

[vocal cloud]

So every time they hire a dev or a dev wants to work on it they have to add a server?

[drowsy helm]

hmm

[eternal oxide]

Servers stealing the plugin will just redirect your DNS or hack the jar

[vocal cloud]

Which means each dev will have their digital footprint documented? I don't know but that's a privacy policy nightmare imo

[orchid hinge]

so many edge cases xD

have fun lol

[drowsy helm]

I thought this up while eating my dinner at work, cut some slack LOL

[orchid hinge]

thats how i get most my ideas, while eating

[drowsy helm]

still gonna give it a crack for fun

[orchid hinge]

thats hwo you learn

[tender shard]

with "dinner", do you mean the spider you killed earlier?

[eternal oxide]

be sure you are not just sending some OK response to their authentication

[drowsy helm]

ccorrect, i fried it up

[orchid hinge]

lol

[tender shard]

fancy :3

[vocal cloud]

imo it'd be better to hand out license keys and then just detect if multiple servers with > 30 players are using it.

[wet breach]

privacy policy for what?

[drowsy helm]

yeah not sure how ill handle that yet

[vocal cloud]

Storing digital footprints. Since you'd be actively storing data about a user of your software

[eternal oxide]

If you give the same response they just host a fake web server and respond

[drowsy helm]

yeah atp, they deserve the plugin

[vocal cloud]

Not to mention that everyone who uses the API would also have to do the same

[wet breach]

depends what is stored really and which country laws you are bound to

[drowsy helm]

i don't think theres any measures you can realistically do with a spigot plugin to fully prevent it

[wet breach]

if in the US, you don't need a privacy policy unless you collect PII

[drowsy helm]

I want to try and make it as easy as possible for all parties involved

[wet breach]

digital footprint does not count as PII

unless it contains stuff that is considered such things of course

[drowsy helm]

All i would have is server ip's, and probs spigot 2FA

[eternal oxide]

IP's in teh EU are classed as personal info 😦

[drowsy helm]

oh really?

dang

[wet breach]

but not in the US

in fact, no other country except the EU classifies it as such

[orchid hinge]

what about FQDN's?

[drowsy helm]

Would a disclaimer saying that I'm storing ip's wave that? not really sure how it works legally

[wet breach]

weirdly even though IP's can be reassigned at will

[eternal oxide]

no clue

[drowsy helm]

FQDNs are public domain so i dont think so

[orchid hinge]

then use those

[wet breach]

if you have to follow the EU rules, basically you just have to give notice that you do such things

[river oracle]

IPs are classed as personal info wtf???

what is the EU on

[orchid hinge]

crack

[eternal oxide]

I just know there were some stupid judgements classing IP as personal (but not identifying) info.

[orchid hinge]

for legal reasons thats a joke

[drowsy helm]

this is what I was thinking

[tender shard]

IPs are not "personal info" but "personally identifiable information"

[eternal oxide]

EU needs putting down.

[drowsy helm]

they go to the link, verify server then never have to think about it again

[wet breach]

realistically can't identify someone with an ip address alone

[orchid hinge]

thats true

[wet breach]

unless everyone is using static ip's

which they are not

[tender shard]

yes, the english term is misleading. the german word would translate to "data related to identifying persons"

[wet breach]

even then

still couldn't identify someone with an ip

how would you know that one ip belongs to someone and that it didn't get reassigned to someone else?

[river oracle]

The only way you can identify a person with an IP is if you asked the ISP in which they won't hand that out to non law enforcement agencies I'd assume

[tender shard]

well you also can't identify someone with their physical address. still it's obviously related to identifying a person

[wet breach]

Even ISP's don't really know either

[river oracle]

well.... You can

atleast in the US its pretty damn easy too

[orchid hinge]

looks nice btw

[tender shard]

how? there's like 12 people living at my address

[wet breach]

the only way an ISP can know who had a particular IP at a given time is you have to be specific in your request for day and time

[river oracle]

sure if you live in an apartment?

for a house like mine just go pull some government documents

grab the most recent one wallah

this can't be done with an IP

[tender shard]

even if there's only 2 people living in that house, you cannot 100% identify who exactly is meant if you only have the address

[wet breach]

in the US you absolutely can and it depends what info you are looking for. Addresses in the US are not private information

never have been and never will be

if I want to know who owns a lot two blocks away, I can just look that up

[tender shard]

yeah well but they're here, that's all I'm saying. I didnt make these laws or decisions

[drowsy helm]

My mother definitely isn't the one searching for big booty at 12am

[wet breach]

if I want to know who lives two doors away, I can also look that up too

[orchid hinge]

what you up too lmao

[drowsy helm]

spigot related research

[river oracle]

making a resource page is painful

I regret coding a plugin

[orchid hinge]

good thing it was your idea

[vocal cloud]

Of course someone will then figure out a way to break the core logic and then all the plugins with this DRM will be null and void.

[lost matrix]

This is gonna be a nice profile selection ^^

[orchid hinge]

holy mother of god how did you manage that that's awesome

[drowsy helm]

Someone stop this man

[orchid hinge]

no but seriously how does that work

[lost matrix]

[worldly ingot]

Display entities :p

[lost matrix]

^

[orchid hinge]

oh yeah i forgot about those

[worthy yarrow]

Also smile is just good coder

[orchid hinge]

im not

my code works of hopes and dreams

[worthy yarrow]

Same

[orchid hinge]

is that minecraft?

please tell me it isnt

[icy beacon]

Pretty much yeah

[orchid hinge]

holy

[icy beacon]

This image was in reference to "hopes and dreams"

The name of the soundtrack playing when you fight this dude Asriel Dreemurr in Undertale

Ofc this isn't minecraft lol

[orchid hinge]

i dont play undertale

[icy beacon]

Kk

[undone summit]

damn that looks cool man

[austere cove]

Undertale is goated

Ive been holding off on deltarune cos i kinda wanna just experience the full game at once and inject it into my veins

Dunno if it can live up to undertale's hype tho

[rough ibex]

It doesn't but it's not trying to be

[floral field]

how to make plugins which run all versions??

single .jar in all versions

[worldly ingot]

If you're using the API you're probably already accomplishing that for the most part

My public plugins don't need updates to support new versions when they're released :p

[chrome beacon]

Start by writing your plugin for the lowest version you want to support

then depending on what version the server is running you can load other classes and listeners

[proper lily]

I need a Minecraft Plugin Developer. please DM (german if possible)

[orchid hinge]

why german

[proper lily]

bc i am german

[icy beacon]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[floral field]

can u explain it

[worldly ingot]

If you need explaining then you're probably already fine :p

If any of your imports contain net.minecraft or org.bukkit.craftbukkit, you're using version-dependent code. Otherwise you're in the clear

[floral field]

okay so my plugins can work normally in other versions also right??

[river oracle]

If the version is newer yes

[twin venture]

WOW this is aweasome

[pulsar parcel]

Is there any packet, that would be able to move player from one position to another smoothly with walk animation played?

[shadow night]

wiki.vg told me those are a thing https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Set_Player_Position

[pulsar parcel]

thanks I will take a look at it

[quaint mantle]

Hi , if i want sell minecraft plugin with paypal , can i withdraw from spigot every time that i want ?

[tender shard]

it directly goes to your paypal

[icy beacon]

any idea at all why this gradle script completely refuses to include my code in the jar?? i'm going insane (running gradle build)
https://paste.md-5.net/nebuqamolu.makefile

the resulting jar has 0 of my classes

[quaint mantle]

so do you mean i can't disable * directly ?

[remote swallow]

what

[tender shard]

wdym? whenever someone buys your plugin on spigotmc, then the money goes straight to your paypal

[icy beacon]

gradle init migrated this from a pom btw maybe that' s the culprit somehow

i deleted all traces of maven and regenned .idea

still does not help

[remote swallow]

remove this

[icy beacon]

i was not using this initially

i added this to see if it'd help

[tender shard]

are you using kotlin or java?

[icy beacon]

kk i'll try removing ig

kotlin

[quaint mantle]

but maybe i don't want goes directly to my paypal , maybe i want after a time withdraw the money

[tender shard]

you only have the java plugin

you need the kotlin plugin

[remote swallow]

you cant, spigot doesnt ever see the money

the selling is between you and the buyer not spigot and the buyer

[tender shard]

where's the kotlin plugin?

[icy beacon]

yeah 1 sec i'm compiling with kotlin plugin rn

[quaint mantle]

so is there a way for my target ?

[tender shard]

no

[quaint mantle]

like use another website or resource ?

[icy beacon]

alex you have saved me from destroying a monitor

i owe you a firstborn 🙏

[alpine urchin]

you can make it go directly

to mine

:)

[tender shard]

eewww no thanks lol

you can keep it

[icy beacon]

i thought you were down for this still

[alpine urchin]

im an orphane, its not funny

[icy beacon]

i will steal you

[mighty gazelle]

How can I completly Invisible the players for one player?

[dusk oasis]

Any minecraft programmer in here looking for work let me know!

[rough ibex]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[orchid hinge]

?gui

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-modern-approach-to-inventory-guis.594005/

[dusk oasis]

?services

[undone axle]

If you wish to request or offer development/art/building/administration services, please do so at https://www.spigotmc.org/forums/services-recruitment-v2.54/

[analog mantle]

how can i make the player drop an item in their inventory

[worldly ingot]

Kind of have to fake it. You can

1. Remove the item in their current slot
2. Drop the item in the world and give it some velocity in the direction of the player
3. Play the hand swing animation

[analog mantle]

that seems sketch

it may cause duplication bugs

[worldly ingot]

How do you think Minecraft drops items? :p

To be certain, if the item doesn't get removed, don't drop the item

[analog mantle]

does player.dropItem(true); do the same thing?

(ik it only does main hand)

[worldly ingot]

Does that exist? lol

[analog mantle]

yes but i need to drop their armor

[worldly ingot]

Oh it does exist. TIL

Yeah probably. I can check if you'd like

[analog mantle]

please

[worldly ingot]

Looking over NMS's implementation, yes, this is pretty much what it does

I see a World#addEntity() call, a swing(main hand) call, and a setItemInHand() call

[analog mantle]

ok sounds good then

Man i hate my CS teacher for making us use (Math.random() * 50) + 10 instead of just new Random().nextInt(50);

[worldly ingot]

Well, keep an instance of random somewhere because new Random() isn't necessarily a cheap operation

[analog mantle]

guess what

[worldly ingot]

That works :p

[analog mantle]

that's Math.random()

[worldly ingot]

Yeah, it's just getting you a double each time is all

[analog mantle]

yea

[worldly ingot]

But that random instance is stored

It's not re-created

[analog mantle]

our programs are max like 60 lines

[tardy delta]

lazily initialized as the classloader loads that inner class