help-development

[young knoll]

Holder is just a holder

I believe conflicts are handled by a method

[wraith apex]

Aye but what would it be checking against? or is there just a massive switch statement lol

[young knoll]

Each enchantment has their own class

[wraith apex]

That doesn't seem to be the case with all of them

[young knoll]

Well, any that need to override anything presumably

Yeah all those basically work the same

You really should use Mojang mappings

[wraith apex]

aye but prot will conflict with fire prot and the others

[young knoll]

Yes

[wraith apex]

so I'm looking for that logic

[young knoll]

Im pretty sure it just checks if otherEnchantment instanceof ProtectionEnchantment

[wraith apex]

oh... that's uh.. kinda smart but also very annoying...

I'll test that theory

[young knoll]

I would just grab the key of the enchantment and then test against that

[wraith apex]

I could do it manually but the idea was I was hoping to find some logic method that I could override to have minecraft to the conflict checking for me

[young knoll]

Well yeah you just override the conflict method

And then add the checks you want

[wraith apex]

idk what method that is

[young knoll]

I think it’s conflictsWith

Or checkConflicts or something

[wraith apex]

Also, yes it seems you're correct. An enchantment determins conflict by if they have the same class...
Given that, I think I found it

Thank you very much!

[young knoll]

Again

Use Mojang mappings smh my head

[wraith apex]

No idea how to use them lel

[young knoll]

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[wraith apex]

I just rummage through obfuscated code, this is life for me :p

if I remember correctly, you can't use mappings in your actual plugin? They're only used to find the correct methods ye?

[quaint mantle]

u like unmap them when it compiles

[wraith apex]

How do you incorperate an unmapped then? I use a custom build script

[young knoll]

You can use them during development

[quaint mantle]

@wraith apexalex has a great blog on it

let me find it

[young knoll]

I just posted it silly

[young knoll]

.

[wraith apex]

Ye thanks for that 👍

[quaint mantle]

oh

[wraith apex]

what if ye don't use maven or gradle?

[young knoll]

Then you should reconsider

[quaint mantle]

wtf

that's wild

lol

[wraith apex]

I don't do enough NMS stuff to consider converting to maven, my build pipeline is already quite streamlined. I just press 1 physical button atm

[drowsy helm]

are you using artifacts?

should be using maven or gradle anyway, it's 100x better

[wraith apex]

Don't think I've heard of that no

[drowsy helm]

how are yo compiling

[wraith apex]

I built my own build pipeline

just a auto-generated bash script

[drowsy helm]

so just running javac

[wraith apex]

aye

simple

[young knoll]

Why would you reinvent a worse version of maven/gradle

[drowsy helm]

maven does all of that for you

with version control

and automatic repository downloading

you don't have to manually download all your imports

[wraith apex]

my internet is ass

not gonna be able to compile if my internet goes out :/

[young knoll]

It caches everything

[drowsy helm]

it caches it

you dont need internet

[wraith apex]

so it does download everything...

[drowsy helm]

it downloads the necessary imports for yoru project

and caches it

[young knoll]

Which is the same thing you do

But manually

[wraith apex]

I've been too lazy to learn gradle or maven, it also looks hella complicated

[drowsy helm]

it's not

maven takes 10 mins to learn

I guarantee you 99% of java developers and 100% of any company using java uses either maven or gradle

and for good reason

[next plume]

It is a pain updating the Maven plugins.

[drowsy helm]

how?

you just change version in pom

[next plume]

Yes, it's a pain to go look up the versions and change them. Why can't it just use the released version itself?

[drowsy helm]

just put latest as version

and it will auto update

..?

[next plume]

Last time I tried latest, it didn't work, but that was probably with jitpack

[hazy parrot]

but that is generally not really good practice

[wraith apex]

I just see maven as another tool that can break easily if not configured properly

call me a dinosaur

[drowsy helm]

it's not

it is easy

[wraith apex]

it's only easy for someone who already knows how to use it

lol

[drowsy helm]

I see so many new devs refusing to use maven, but once they do they never go back

I've met many people like you, with the same thoughts.

Trust me, maven is just better in all aspects

[wraith apex]

adding custom libs that are not in the central repo?

[drowsy helm]

We're more than happy to teach you how to use it

[wraith apex]

conflicting libs?

[drowsy helm]

you can still have local libs

and you can chose priority

[young knoll]

I wonder what Mojang uses

Dun dun dun

[wraith apex]

probably CVS

lmao

[drowsy helm]

they use gradle

[wraith apex]

💀

[young knoll]

Source?

[drowsy helm]

idk for the minecraft src

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[drowsy helm]

but thats what they use on their github

[slender elbow]

in the time you've spent here complaining about this crap you could've set up nms with maven like 10 times over lmao

[young knoll]

Fair

[wraith apex]

yeah assuming you already have all the know-how

[slender elbow]

the guide is pretty straight-forward

[rough ibex]

I'm 99% sure Mojang uses Git.

[wraith apex]

that was a joke

lmao

[rough ibex]

yeah well it should be known they use git

[drowsy helm]

this is news to no one

[young knoll]

Inb4 it’s gitlab

[rough ibex]

gitlab is nice

[slender elbow]

sourceforge.net :^)

[wraith apex]

Adding a lib to eclipse or itelliji directly is far easier than using an over complicated build tool

[next plume]

Linus Torvalds wrote git in a weekend.

[drowsy helm]

you're right, 99% of other devs are wrong

give this guy a medal

[rough ibex]

use maven

yes i know context

just use maven

instead of trying to argue why you shouldn't try

[slender elbow]

no you don't get it

i HAVE to argue on the internet

[rough ibex]

I love arguing too

[next plume]

This was one of Linus' goals:

Take the Concurrent Versions System (CVS) as an example of what not to do; if in doubt, make the exact opposite decision.

[rough ibex]

damn

[slender elbow]

what's that captain disillusion talk about arguing with strangers on the internet again

[tender shard]

Just let them enjoy their javac bash script and wait until they actually wanna do sth a bit more complicated like shading sth lol

[young knoll]

How you gonna argue that a() b() c() are better than actual method names

[drowsy helm]

they are

[tender shard]

Its shorter! Less to type

[wraith apex]

how about no 🤡

[drowsy helm]

when using non mapped nms i roll a set of dice and hope its the right function

[wraith apex]

have you ever wanted a random dependancy to magically update one day causing your build to break and you don't know why? Try Maven today!

[drowsy helm]

maven doesnt do that

lol

[young knoll]

a() b() c() easy as 123 simple as do ray me

[slender elbow]

dependencies don't update if you don't update dependencies

you update dependencies when you want to update dependencies

[rough ibex]

also, specify a version?

1.2.3 gets 1.2.3 not 1.2.4

[young knoll]

Yeah man gradle keeps updating my project to the latest spigot and breaking everything

Smh

[slender elbow]

this is why you use maven instead

clearly

[young knoll]

I guess technically that’s true since spigot always uses v0.1-snapshot

[drowsy helm]

also not to mention if you ever collaborate with anyone, if they hear you're using artifacts intead of maven or gradle, they will most likely leave lmao

[slender elbow]

why is my alter-ego typing

[drowsy helm]

L'emily

[wet breach]

You are still using a build tool. Its called ant when you add dependencies or libs this way

[drowsy helm]

inverse Emily

[young knoll]

French Emily

[next plume]

Dependabot is for breaking your code by updating dependencies.

[young knoll]

🥖

[waxen ledge]

xd

[slender elbow]

this is why i don't use dependabot lmao

[young knoll]

Tbf I tend to not update dependencies or plugins until something breaks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1017515898870956154.gif?size=48&name=pepe_laugh&quality=lossless

[next plume]

I saw PlotSquared(?) had to revert a dependabot change.

[wraith apex]

a build tool that I built myself that generates itself with code. All I need it to do is slap the classes in a jar and copy it somewhere

I don't need maven to contact skynet to pull libs and complain about a syntax error in pom.xml

[slender elbow]

gross

fr*nch

[drowsy helm]

french (derogatory)

[young knoll]

Pfft my build tool copies the jar for me

Checkmate

[rough ibex]

and how exactly will others build it

also learn to write xml

its not hard

[young knoll]

They’ll run the bash script obviously

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[drowsy helm]

you are describing artifacts

[slender elbow]

my guess is that they don't plan on collaborating with anyone ever basically

[wet breach]

When you add a lib directly using the ide it is using ant to do it. To do it any other way you would need a custom plugin in the IDE so it recognizes the dependency is there. You can have a custom build tool i guess and reinvent the wheel. But virtually all java ides support ant, maven and gradle.

[rough ibex]

they are preemptively preventing themselves from every having a contributor

[young knoll]

Tbf you’ll probably live longer that way

[slender elbow]

less chances of getting stabbed ....

[rough ibex]

would you rather cure cancer and live to be 20 or live to be 100 and do nothing

cure cancer
use maven

[wraith apex]

I already have to contribute with other people at work

[young knoll]

But I’m already past 20

[rough ibex]

your coworkers must hate you

[wraith apex]

the amount of time we spend on fixing git merges and build tools

[rough ibex]

then your team needs to learn git

[wraith apex]

a lot of time wasted lol

[rough ibex]

and learn BT

[slender elbow]

are your teammates 14?

[rough ibex]

this is a deficiency on your part

[wraith apex]

they already do

[wet breach]

Sounds like you dont know to use the tools or who ever you work with.

[young knoll]

Back in my day we had to trudge through 7 miles of swamp to merge changes

Uphill both ways

[wraith apex]

Nah the real problem is people

get rid of people

[wet breach]

Well not a bad description of cvs

[wraith apex]

Imagine making this comparison 💀

[rough ibex]

you must be such a welcoming and warm person to work alongside

[young knoll]

At first I thought you meant cvs pharmacy

[wraith apex]

You know me all too well ❤️

[rough ibex]

yes because its hyberbole

that's the entire point

[wraith apex]

yeah had to clarify no no

[wet breach]

Might as well be the same thing. They are a pain too

[young knoll]

We don’t have cvs here so I wouldn’t know

All I know is they are known for long recipes

[wraith apex]

Well, have a good one o/
this was fun kek

[slender elbow]

no u

[wraith apex]

❤️

[unreal quartz]

how romantic

[young knoll]

Enjoy your obfuscation

Don’t let the h() hit you on the way out

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/h_h-gif-20970972

[rough ibex]

vlogcreations is great

[rare rover]

😦

Mojang mappings >>

Fr

[deep herald]

anyone know why this is erroring?

[young knoll]

Smh using NMS instead of pdc

Anyway

What’s the error

[deep herald]

the methods dont exist

[young knoll]

What version

[deep herald]

1.20.2

[young knoll]

You can check for the correct names with

?mappings

[undone axle]

Compare different mappings with this website: https://mappings.cephx.dev

[young knoll]

Although if you are on 1.20.2 just use pdc

[deep herald]

            <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
            <artifactId>spigot</artifactId>
            <version>1.20.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>```thats my import

[deep herald]

whats pdc

[young knoll]

?pdc

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-guide-to-1-14-persistentdataholder-api.371200/

[young knoll]

It’s an api for attaching arbitrary data to items

(And entities, chunks, worlds, block entities, etc)

[deep herald]

my brain hurts so bad rn

[junior anvil]

im struggling with adding the worldedit api in my pom

[echo basalt]

ah good ol' wedit

[junior anvil]

the dependency section is red

:D

[echo basalt]

added the repo?

[junior anvil]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/setting-up-the-worldedit-api/
i followed this

well nevermind

it fixed itself

[young knoll]

🦆

[junior anvil]

🦆 💨

[mortal hare]

https://i.imgur.com/rzigrCK.png

is this is a bug?

i use Integer to prevent autoboxing

since i use Integer for multiple generic functions anyways

so what's the deal?

[river oracle]

no intellij just doesn't want you to be an idiot

its really begging you to use int

[mortal hare]

but its for a purpose

i use call two functions with Integer

[river oracle]

yeah but intellij doesn't have that context (though tbh doing this to prevent autoboxing probably saves at most a few nanoseconds)

[young knoll]

Muh cpu cycles

[drowsy helm]

autoboxing is a non issue

and that is an over optimisation that will effectively do nothing

[mortal hare]

ofc its non issue

its just that i'm using Integer for a reason and it shouldnt throw this error

[drowsy helm]

youll have to just disable it in ide settings

[mortal hare]

but i guess it doesnt analyze called function, where multiple functions with Integer args are being called

[drowsy helm]

not much else you can do

[young knoll]

You’d never survive working on

Idk

An Atari 2500

[river oracle]

its not an error

just a warning

this code will compile and run

I wouldn't be surprised if your compiler just optmizes Integer into an int though

[young knoll]

Ooh is it bytecode time

[mortal hare]

but wait

maybe it's right

it would autobox the integer

for the called argument

since i specify Integer inside called function args

so it doesnt really matter

it just that it would increment the primitive and then autobox it

but due to how Integer is immutable it really doesnt make any difference

?print

!print

[remote swallow]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[mortal hare]

thanks

[drowsy helm]

Sounds like you’re over complicating it

[river oracle]

the easy solution here is to cope with the fact you just lost like 5 cpu cycles to autoboxing

if you can't cope with that code in assembly and leave java behind

[mortal hare]

no that's not why im optimizing it

i need to complicate things rn

since im participating in a java course enrollment

[river oracle]

???

[mortal hare]

and i need to fancify my code

[rough ibex]

No

That is how you get rejected

[young knoll]

minecadamy

[river oracle]

looks like you want to get rejcected lol

[rough ibex]

for complicated, unreadable, stupid code

[mortal hare]

that's literally what they asked lol

[rough ibex]

verbatim?

or did they ask to be as concise

specific and clear

[mortal hare]

they asked for me to implement fizzbuzz algorithm that could be maintainable without "if statement hell" in the future

[rough ibex]

okay

[mortal hare]

https://paste.md-5.net/tupocijupu.js

i did smth like this with lambdas

im not sure if this is "fancy" enough lol

[rough ibex]

what the hell

"maintainable"

[mortal hare]

i mean the only thing you need to add is lambda to a list

that's it

[rough ibex]

if you put this code into a merge request and asked me to review it

I would reject it immediately

and look at all of your other merge requests and likely reject those by adjacency

[mortal hare]

Consider that in the near future more conditions will be added, so code should be extendable without much effort.

[rough ibex]

okay

[mortal hare]

ofc i would've done if statements

[rough ibex]

I have no idea how to do that here

[mortal hare]

but if you add like 100 cases

its gonna be hell

so i've used lambdas

[rough ibex]

You are not understanding

[mortal hare]

what im not understanding

explain

[rough ibex]

You are overcomplicating it

[young knoll]

You could also make a record

[rough ibex]

to the point where it is impossible to maintain

you are making enterprise java

stop it

KISS

keep it simple, stupid

[river oracle]

@mortal hare are you trying to make enterprise fizzbuzz

[young knoll]

Record that holds an integer and then the string that should be added if the number is divisible by said integer

[river oracle]

we are one in the same <3 My favorite coding principle is KISS

[mortal hare]

and that's not that bad?

[rough ibex]

no it's a pejorative

[river oracle]

that's horrible enterprise code is fucking shit

[rough ibex]

'enterprize java' means its horrible

and incredibly abuses Java's paradigms

[remote swallow]

why was i told about KISS 2 days ago and ive now seen it like 3 times here after

[young knoll]

I swear I’ve said it to you before

[river oracle]

its the KISS infection

this is my universe you're juist living in it

[mortal hare]

again, i cant do smth like this

https://i.imgur.com/dPnKmQW.png

[junior anvil]

uhh

[river oracle]

why not?

[remote swallow]

literally

[mortal hare]

because that's what they're not asking to do

this is an example

[rough ibex]

what/

[river oracle]

then the course is a waste of time

[young knoll]

Actually you don’t even need a record

[river oracle]

its not worth your time

[young knoll]

You could just do Map int -> string

[river oracle]

genuinely if they make you do enterprise java for a simple problem its not worth your time

[mortal hare]

i've participated before

actually

[rough ibex]

you are overdecomposing the problem

[mortal hare]

and i got 8 page test

[rough ibex]

you are actively corpsing it

[young knoll]

Idk you never know when you might need uhh

More fizz in your buzz

[mortal hare]

ik its stupid

i would never write this, but they want me to write smth like this just to prove that i know something about java

[rough ibex]

this shows me you know nothing about java

[river oracle]

then show them you know best by KISS

[rough ibex]

and you just know how to stuff as much shit as you can into a program

[river oracle]

I think the people who run the event are idiotic as hell

[rough ibex]

if I cannot read your code or understand how to use it, it's bad.

[mortal hare]

im here at least 3 years, i do have some of my minecraft plugins, ik what im doing its just that what's that they're asking, modular code for a simple code

[rough ibex]

why are you even trying to do pure functional

[river oracle]

in an OOP language none the less

[mortal hare]

because if statements would be cancer according to them

[rough ibex]

what oh

[mortal hare]

i already stated

[mortal hare]

this is not gonna work for them

[river oracle]

programming is impossible without conidtional statements wtf

[mortal hare]

although this is the best

[rough ibex]

I feel like youre misinterpreting

[mortal hare]

lol

[junior anvil]

anyways i want to do a sort of "mana" system with mana regeneration every tick and here's my idea
onPlayerJoin i insert the values inside a persistent data container, if the persistent data container does not have those values
for every tick i update the "mana" value for every player but i dont know how to do it in an efficient way cause my first idea was just use the scheduler on plugin enable, which i dont like cause it feels like an inefficient idea
any suggestions?

[mortal hare]

no its not even my code

its their code

[rough ibex]

'modular code'

[mortal hare]

they're asking to do something better than if statements that could be expandable in the future

[rough ibex]

you want modular code? put your entire AST in a JSON document /s

[mortal hare]

so i used functions to make it expandable 😄

[wet breach]

Just make a wrapper around the player object to store this mana

[rough ibex]

no you made it worse

[mortal hare]

ik

[rough ibex]

you actively made it harder

[mortal hare]

that's what they asked it

[rough ibex]

no

again, I strongly feel you are taking what they are asking for and using it to spite your face because of your nose

[junior anvil]

same thing goes for the regen?

[wet breach]

Sure, and then it should make it pretty easy to save in permanent storage when they leave

[junior anvil]

alright, thank you

[mortal hare]

i've participated in this test before and they really want enterprise java, they want to test people for various knowledge of java, so that's why they wouldnt like the solution that they've provided trust me

[rough ibex]

then whoever is running this test is an idiot.

and is not a good reflection of skills

it's a reflection that you can cram concepts together where they don't belong

[mortal hare]

they know that its wrong to not use if cases for such a simple problem, its not as if you're putting 100 cases in fizz buzz problem 😄

[rough ibex]

okay

[mortal hare]

4 if statements vs 6 functional inteface implementations ofc is worse

[rough ibex]

so why did you do it like this

also you violate the do one thing and do it well principle

[mortal hare]

because they've asked for something that could be expandable, so i've made almost everything in fizzbuzz modular, so that way you can do whatever you fuck you want

with functions

[rough ibex]

Application#fizzbuzz does not do fizzbuzz

yeah you did it wrong

this is not modular

this is enterprise

what the fuck is this

    private static <T> void execute(Integer number, Consumer<T> executor, List<Function<Integer, T>> functions, Function<Integer, T> fallback) {
        for (Function<Integer, T> function : functions) {
            T object = function.apply(number);
            if (object != null) {
                executor.accept(object);
                return;
            }
        }
        executor.accept(fallback.apply(number));
    }

I don't know what this does by looking at it

[junior anvil]

why are you guys arguing about fizzbuzz

[mortal hare]

it executes function if returned value is not null

[rough ibex]

because someone must be taught the correct way today

[mortal hare]

otherwise fallback consumer will kick in

which is set to integer.ToString() in the args

so it prints integer if the divisor in fizzbuzz was not found

[rough ibex]

...

why are you involving functions

at all

you are repeating your logic

[mortal hare]

with functions i can combine multiple fizz, buzz, bazz, jazz words in to multiple cases

so that way i can print FizzJazz, FizzBuzz

without rewriting the logic for each case

if Fizz function returns null it means FizzJazz wouldnt get printed

neither Fizz also

that's why u see CombinedStringFunction class

so i can combine multiple function output into one

[rough ibex]

... use... +?

"combine output"

why do you need to make it so generic and functional

[mortal hare]

modular

[rough ibex]

how is this modular

[mortal hare]

you can plug whatever words, output storing functions in the call

[rough ibex]

why can't you make it simple

[mortal hare]

fizzBuzz(105, (string) -> builder.append(string).append(' '), functions, Objects::toString);

again

they dont like simple

😂

its dumb

ik

[rough ibex]

then stop entertaining it?

any possible accreditation from this place is worthless.

I might even actively exclude people based off of it

because of how awful they teach, it seems.

or you're misrepresenting the requirements

and trying to justify making it the worst it can be

[candid inlet]

I don't see it mentioning premature optimization?

[mortal hare]

that's not even premature optimization

how functions are premature optimization

they're worse to performance

[slender elbow]

optimisation is not all about performance

you could optimise for development, future proofing

this is pristine

the best code you will ever see in your life

it can do all the fizzes and buzzes

and more

[mortal hare]

its not for my project, im sorry that this angered you guys so much 😂 its for my upcoming test its a bonus task

[rough ibex]

how about you provide a list of divisors and they're associated with some string

[mortal hare]

if do this the way they want i get extra points

that's it

its not about performance

its about knowledge of various java syntax features

[rough ibex]

..

'it's not about performance'
you clearly care about it here

[mortal hare]

its not as if this is going into production or something

relax

[rough ibex]

no, but you are a CS student I assume

[mortal hare]

yes

[rough ibex]

and eventually you will be writing production code

[mortal hare]

That's not what i would write normally

just stop

misinterpreting

its getting ridiculous now

[river oracle]

Whoever runs this course needs to find a real job lol

[rough ibex]

I feel like the requirements were just "Write an extensible fizzbuzz solver program"

[river oracle]

I wonder what would happened if I submitted fizzbuzz enterprise

[rough ibex]

immediate graduation

[mortal hare]

ok if lets say i would not send this code

how would you write it

with a map?

two arrays to associate divisor indexes with strings

[rough ibex]

One moment...

[mortal hare]

all of those are just as dumb

as mine

its not as if if statements would not beat the other data structures

[river oracle]

I wanna try writing hello world enterprise

[river oracle]

Actually

[rough ibex]

object FizzbuzzProgram {
  fun fizzBuzz(fizzes: Map<Int, String>, number: Int): String {
    val sb = StringBuilder()
    for ((fizz, name) in fizzes.entries) {
      if (number % fizz == 0) sb.append(name)
    }
    if (sb.length() == 0) sb.append(number) // If not divisible by any, put the number plainly.
    return sb.toString()
  }
}

// test
FuzzbuzzProgram.fizzbuzz(hashMapOf(3 to "Fizz", 5 to "Buzz", 7 to "Bazz"), 105)

something like this

you pass in a map of applicable divisors and their fizz names

[mortal hare]

oh yeah a hashmap is trully better than if statements

[rough ibex]

actually any Map but

[mortal hare]

its just as dumb as mine

[rough ibex]

I doubt that.

[mortal hare]

the whole concept of extensible "fizzbuzz" is dumb

[river oracle]

What is your guys favorite
jne, jeq, jlt, jle , jgt, jge

[mortal hare]

jz

[river oracle]

Personally I love jeq

[rough ibex]

jne is deprecated use jneq

lol

[river oracle]

Actually this is the 8 bit arduino architecture

[rough ibex]

Oh I thought you were just joking

[drowsy helm]

that just assumes that it will onyl check divisibility

[river oracle]

of course not I had to study assembly the past 2 days

my mind is mush

and assembly

[rough ibex]

to be fair I did say 'something like that'

[wet breach]

Depends how many if statements it is going to take in comparison to a single hashmap. Hashmap isnt significantly slower or have a great deal of impact.

But if you can replace 100 if statements with a hashmap then hashmap is going to be the way to go

[young knoll]

You could change the Integer to a predicate<Integer> if you want more than just divisibility

Ig

[rough ibex]

you could but that's outside the scope of fizzbuzz

[young knoll]

FizzBuzz scope creep

[rough ibex]

such a thoughtful and productive discussion here about enterprise fizzbuzz

[young knoll]

Now we are doing enterprise development

[slender elbow]

IntPredicate gang

[rough ibex]

scrum agile sprint

[river oracle]

sorry this isn't exposed in Bukkit API its outside the scope of the project

[young knoll]

Right int gets a special one

[slender elbow]

just how mama used to say

[young knoll]

You know who doesn’t get to be special

BooleanConsumer

[mortal hare]

do you guys hate spring boot also

?

if you're so against runtime bloat

[river oracle]

O

I've never touched it

Praise the lord for that

[young knoll]

Neither have I

[candid inlet]

you-

[quaint mantle]

Yo guys

[river oracle]

why use springboot when I could just use idk something that's not springboot

[mortal hare]

@rough ibex would pull its hair off if he used it 😄

[quaint mantle]

QuickSort is sm easier than I expected

[river oracle]

wazuppppp

[quaint mantle]

and I learned how to do things without recursion by just using a Stack

[river oracle]

quicksort suckz tho

[quaint mantle]

why

[young knoll]

But it’s called quick sort

[river oracle]

isn't quicksort worst case n^2

[young knoll]

How could it be slow

[rough ibex]

how could it lie to us

[quaint mantle]

yeah

But I think its average case is the best

[mortal hare]

its name as bad as imaginary numbers one

[river oracle]

yeah so its trash

[young knoll]

BogoSort

[river oracle]

I use StalinSort exclusively

[rough ibex]

BogosBintedSort

[mortal hare]

fuck it just dont sort

time complexity of O(inf) to sort it

patented by me

[river oracle]

this may sound counter intuitive but I highly reccomend looking at insertion sort for smaller data sets and something like Shell Sort for larger ones

[young knoll]

BogoSort would be called BozoSort today

[rough ibex]

GaslightSort - it's sorted already what are you talking about

[river oracle]

Insertion Sort is great given that the data is atleast somewhat sorted already

that's why it works better on smaller datasets there's less of a chance the cost to sort skyrockets given its not partially sorted

Merge sort is also awesome, but it kinda fucks your call stack

[young knoll]

How about usersort

[mortal hare]

insertion sort is not bad for small sets

[young knoll]

Just tell the user to sort it

[mortal hare]

while shell sort with proper sequence is not bad

for bigger ones

[quaint mantle]

lmao

[quaint mantle]

Some ppl call it monkey sort

[river oracle]

insertion sort is also really intuitive too

[quaint mantle]

there's a sorting algorithm called assume sort

[river oracle]

Stalin Sort is the best sorting alogrithm

[young knoll]

It’s not cheating it’s called offloading work to another machine

[river oracle]

its O(n)

i'm not even joking

[quaint mantle]

what's the hardest one

[river oracle]

well the intuitive ones are Selection and Insertion i also think merge sort is intuitive

Selection sort is by far the worst applicable one being O(n^2) guarenteed

Insertion sort is O(n^2) but is only O(n) best case meaning if your data is partially sorted its pretty damn efficent

[rough ibex]

OutOfScopeSort - sorting is not the goal of this project and is left unimplemented (see #42 for tracking)

[river oracle]

Merge sort is O(n log n) worst case, but it is a recursive algorithm so you use a lot of your callstack for bigger data sets

Stalin sort is O(n) though its by far the best sorting algorithm I also find it to be the most intuitive

[young knoll]

private static final List<Integer> sorted = List.of(1,2,3,4,5);

public static Collection sort (Collection input) {
  return sorted;
}

Boom O(1) sorting

[river oracle]

that's not sorting anything though

the input is ignored

let me show you stalin sort implementation

[young knoll]

And you go in the bin

[river oracle]

its pretty simple yet effective

[young knoll]

Anyone else want to question my sorting algorithm

Plenty of space in the bin

[quaint mantle]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sorting-algorithms/

Why is there so much

[river oracle]

okay stay away from geeks for geeks with sorting algos please

they suck ass

shitty ass website

[quaint mantle]

I just googled sorting algorithms

[river oracle]

thank me later goodbye

yep which Is why I'm warning you

they're like the first result

[quaint mantle]

I think I used programiz for quicksort

[drowsy helm]

nerds trying to 1 up eachother

[quaint mantle]

So is merge sorting usually the best

[river oracle]

fun <T> stalingSort(arr: Array<T?>) {
   val first = collection[0]
   for(int i = 0; i < arr.length; i++) {
     if (arr[i] > first) {
       arr[i] = null
     }
   }
}

[quaint mantle]

or smthing

[river oracle]

no I'd go with another n log n algo

mostly because merge sort is recursive in nature

[quaint mantle]

I remember the website compared something with quicksort

[river oracle]

so your call stack kinda commits suicide after a while

well ofc its better than quicksort since quicksort isn't guarenteed n log n

but again still wouldn't be as effective as shell sort on a super large data set

[quaint mantle]

I learned stuff like using a random pivot for security and making algos without recursion

just to fit my rubric for apcsp

[river oracle]

the thing about merge sort is Idk if you can really implement it well without recursion

its recurisve in nature

[quaint mantle]

isn't quicksort also recursive in nature

[river oracle]

I honestly don't think you can implement it without recursion

I could be wrong but I believe its impossible

oh you can its just more complex

algorithm IterativeMergeSort(A, n):
    // INPUT
    //     A = the array
    //     n = the size of the array
    // OUTPUT
    //     sorted array

    len <- 1
    while len < n:
        i <- 0
        while i < n:
            L1 <- i
            R1 <- i + len - 1
            L2 <- i + len
            R2 <- i + 2 * len - 1
            
            if L2 >= n:
                break

            if R2 >= n:
                R2 <- n - 1

            temp <- Merge(A, L1, R1, L2, R2)
            for j <- 0 to R2 - L1 + 1:
                A[i + j] <- temp[j]

            i <- i + 2 * len

        len <- 2 * len

    return A```

[quaint mantle]

look at how I did it for quick sort

function quickSort(list) {
  var stack = [];
  stack.push(0);
  stack.push(list.length - 1);
  
  while (stack.length !== 0) {
    var maxIndex = stack.pop();
    var minIndex = stack.pop();
    
    if (minIndex >= maxIndex) {
        continue;
    }
    
    var nextLowerValueIndex = minIndex;

    swap(list, randomNumber(minIndex, maxIndex), maxIndex);

    for (var i = minIndex; i < maxIndex; i++) {
      if (list[i] <= list[maxIndex]) {
        swap(list, i, nextLowerValueIndex);
        nextLowerValueIndex++;
      }
    }
    swap(list, nextLowerValueIndex, maxIndex);
         
    stack.push(minIndex);
    stack.push(nextLowerValueIndex - 1);
    stack.push(nextLowerValueIndex + 1);
    stack.push(maxIndex);
  }
} 

function randomNumber(min, max) {
  return min + Math.floor(Math.random() * (max - min + 1))
}

function swap(list, indexOne, indexTwo) {
  var temp = list[indexOne]
  list[indexOne] = list[indexTwo]
  list[indexTwo] = temp;
}

var list = [1,1,2,-555,5,0,0,111,10,-2,7,9,1,22,3];
quickSort(list)
console.log(list)```

[river oracle]

javascript

instant turn off

[quaint mantle]

well it's apcsp

[river oracle]

crushed my soul

day ruined

[quaint mantle]

ts is going in code.org 💀

[river oracle]

really we did python in CSP

for my final project I used Java

[quaint mantle]

I joined the cs club

And they had a competition for gift cards

[river oracle]

damn your highschool has a CS club

[quaint mantle]

and yk I couldn't let anyone win

[river oracle]

dude I would wipe those competitionts wtf

I want to ruin everyones fun wtf

[rough ibex]

APCSP you should be able to use any language.

[quaint mantle]

so I made a 3d maze search game

[rough ibex]

APCSA uses Java.

[young knoll]

Show up with a baseball bat

[river oracle]

iirc its actually limited to 8 or so high level languages

[quaint mantle]

I learned a lot from that on how basic 3d games are made

[young knoll]

Show me in the rules where it says no breaking the fingers of the opponents

[river oracle]

like I don't think they allow C

[rough ibex]

They generally mean interpreted, cross-platform, high level languages

[quaint mantle]

My teacher asked me to explain how I made it

I was so happy to

I won 40$

in Amazon giftcards cards

[river oracle]

DUDE where was this in my highschool

I want to farm money from all the inexperienced children!

[quaint mantle]

now it's kinda boring

[rough ibex]

I just want to farm money

I don't care who it's from

[quaint mantle]

we're doing stuff with legos

Like bruh

[rough ibex]

💤

[river oracle]

BRO

that sounds fuN!!!

holy shit

[quaint mantle]

I promise you it's not

[river oracle]

again where was this in my HS

[young knoll]

Doesn’t sound much like cs though

[river oracle]

Legos are awesome

[river oracle]

who tf cares bro its legos

[young knoll]

Is Lego Turing complete

[river oracle]

yeah it is iirc

cuz they have the technic stuff

[young knoll]

Doesn’t count

Just the plastic

[rough ibex]

is the universe turing complete

[river oracle]

I don't think they can be turing complete without technic, It might be possible if you can jank some stuff together with some parts that softlock together vs snapping

[candid inlet]

iirc there's iterative merge sort though?

[river oracle]

yeah I posted the algo later

I was wrong

its just a more complex implementation than its recursive counterpart

[quaint mantle]

Every recursive algorithm can be implemented iteratively I'm p sure

[river oracle]

si senior

[young knoll]

You’ve just unlocked my memory of going to a robotics competition in like, 5th grade

[river oracle]

the only time recursion > implementation is in purely functional languages

where not every function call is put into the callstack

there is some other thing that goes on in functional langs I forgot what it is under the hood

My teachers told us in data structures my dumbass forgot though

[rough ibex]

I'm convinced that those who do pure functional are into torture

[young knoll]

Don’t kinkshame

[rough ibex]

I didn't say it was bad

[quaint mantle]

"The space complexity for quicksort is O(log n)."

Why is it not o(1)

??

[rough ibex]

I'm just saying they're likely into bdsm

[river oracle]

well pure functional doesn't even make sense like the world isn't stateless not even your CPU is stateless

[rough ibex]

don't wanna mutate state?
stop time

[river oracle]

even assembly isn't stateless

[rough ibex]

hello yes I would like milk but without the milk

[river oracle]

every program has state so the goal to "not mutate state" is not only futile but idiotic pursuit imho

[rough ibex]

important distinction between functional and purely functional

functional has its uses for sure

[river oracle]

oh yeah def

[rough ibex]

purely functional is stupid

[river oracle]

likewise purely OOP is stupid

though

[rough ibex]

yes

[river oracle]

we live in a universe where maybe a little bit of both works best

[rough ibex]

paradigms are ways of thinking to help solve a problem

they are not religions

[river oracle]

don't tell that to the far OOPs or the far Functional bros

you'll get torn to shreads

[rough ibex]

i'll just rename myself to the unit type

[river oracle]

[quaint mantle]

Do you guys think someone will ever invent a o(n) sorting alg

[river oracle]

no I do believe such a task is impossible

think what sorting requires

inspection and comparisson

[quaint mantle]

I'll ping u tmr when I create one

[river oracle]

its impossible to both inspect your current element and compare it with anything that could be larger or smaller in O(n) time complexity

@quaint mantle if you create one don't tell anyone

consult a professor at your local university immediately and ask them how to write a proper thesis

you will become an instant millionaire

[quaint mantle]

I know 💀

alr ig ima be rich tmr

[young knoll]

What if we do quantum computing

[river oracle]

that doesn't count

that's cheating!!!

[quaint mantle]

I think I'll make an o(1) search algorithm too

[river oracle]

its FAKE NUMBERS AND SHIT

[quaint mantle]

Just for fun

[river oracle]

StalinSort is already O(N) though btw

its impossible to beat that

[rough ibex]

gaslightsort is O(1) though

[young knoll]

Why do we stop there

What about O(0)

[rough ibex]

fun <T : Comparable<T>> Iterable<T>.gaslightSort(): Nothing {
  throw IllegalStateException("Already sorted.")
}```

[river oracle]

[young knoll]

In fact let’s go ever farther

O(-1)

[river oracle]

computing the function actually takes negative CPU cycles

[rough ibex]

you put in the sorted list and it gives you the unsorted list

before it was sorted

[young knoll]

You want it sorted? Fuck you I already sorted it yesterday

[rough ibex]

if you keep going you eventually create a vacuum of space

and eventually loss of entropy

and now it's

[river oracle]

fun <T: Comparable<T>> Iterable<T>.unsort(): Iterable<T> {
  return this
}

[rough ibex]

I remember when I was really young and saw the time machine tool on a macbook and thought it was literally a time machine

you select a time and date and it does it

[young knoll]

Man Steve jobs was a genius

[rough ibex]

employee ID 0

to undercut wozniak ID 1

[young knoll]

If macs had an actual Time Machine do you think the diehard Windows and Linux uses would switch

[rough ibex]

yeah so I can invent linux earlier

[young knoll]

Yeah I guess if anyone ever invented a Time Machine they could just go back in time and invent it earlier

Fairly solid proof we never invent a Time Machine

[rough ibex]

we can probably observe the past

if you spin a black hole really hard

[silver apex]

orrrr.... ok here me out.
in 100 years, all life on planet dies
in 1000 years, it restarts over
in 2000 years, they're more advanced than us, invent a time machine, come back an realize the crap shoot this planet is, go back in the future and break the time machine
"we dont want them stealing our futuristic technology"

[river oracle]

I agree humans go exitnct and we are replaced with an advanced species of panda bears

[young knoll]

No way it would be pandas

[rough ibex]

panda bears would have died naturally if not for human intervention

[young knoll]

They are the least capable bears

[rough ibex]

panda bears are supposed to be extinct

[silver apex]

i think lady bugs have a better chance that pandas

[river oracle]

which was humans #1 mistake panda bears are going to evolve into the most formiddible and advanced speices on earth

[rough ibex]

but we decide to defy nature and keep them because they're cute

[young knoll]

It would probably be the dolphins

[river oracle]

pandabears suck at living

idk how one could be so bad at staying alive

like wtf

[rough ibex]

sloth

[silver apex]

new movie idea ... Planet of the Apes Panda Bears

[rough ibex]

grabs onto own arm thinking it is a branch
falls to death

[river oracle]

bruh even the sloth is better at staying alive than a panda

[rough ibex]

sloths are also stupid

[river oracle]

what do you think is stupider (more stupid (Fuck English)) though

my money is on the panda

[young knoll]

I guess someone has to come last in the evolutionary race

[river oracle]

bruh I wonder what earth would be like if humans ended up coexisting with neandrothals instead of genociding them

[rough ibex]

probably sexier /s

[river oracle]

we also kinda genoicded the homo erectus

[rough ibex]

God fears his creation

[young knoll]

Probably for the best

If homo erectus was still around they would just get constant boner jokes

[river oracle]

dude fr actually maybe it was for the best there

imagine just tryna live your life and you just constantly get poked fun of cuz of boner

[young knoll]

Racism but it’s about boners

[river oracle]

Specieism

[rough ibex]

good talk today

[river oracle]

well I think we are CMarco free for like a week or 2 so let the party continue!!!

[rough ibex]

wait that happened

I literally was away for 2 minutes in between that

[river oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/support-research-doctor-book-antibodies-stethoscope-gif-20878930

[junior anvil]

what's the method to show something on the action bar

[young knoll]

Player#Spigot#sendMessage

With ChatMessageType.ACTION_BAR

[tribal loom]

Hello everyone, is this a mcpig discord?

[river oracle]

No

This is spigot

[tribal loom]

Oh, I'm sorry, I just got it mixed up! If anything, I'm Russian.

[uncut herald]

Does anyone know what this error means (kotlin + Gradle) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989510388188065866/1209692988607823923/image.png?ex=65e7d963&is=65d56463&hm=64d61dc3b64e96547ef94f0ecc53e169287b81d88a32c0aacbef381a607f43e8&

[teal venture]

say I create a custom item, I know how to create an item and put it in a GUI with lore and stuff like that but whats the best way to store a custom item? Like is it through assigning it a command to give to players or is there a better way to store it?

[young knoll]

You mean how to obtain it?

That’s up to you

Give command, crafting recipe, loot chests

[frank flicker]

Hey guys im helping out on a server plugin and I am trying to set a players nametag color to black, im trying a couple of different things at once but nothing's working, any ideas?
Im on 1.18.2, this is essentially what I am doing:

Scoreboard scoreboard = Bukkit.getScoreboardManager().getMainScoreboard();
scoreboard.registerNewTeam(key + "_2");
scoreboard.getTeam(key + "_2").prefix(mm.deserialize("<black>HOME "));
scoreboard.getTeam(key + "_2").color(NamedTextColor.BLACK);
scoreboard.registerNewTeam(key + "_3");
scoreboard.getTeam(key + "_3").prefix(mm.deserialize("<black>AWAY "));
scoreboard.getTeam(key + "_3").color(NamedTextColor.BLACK);

[quiet ice]

Whomst dared to ping me for no good reason

Hell, I don't even have ANYTHING to do with bungee - I've never even used it

[tender shard]

no, it's all your fault geol

[tender shard]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/scoreboard/Team.html#setColor(org.bukkit.ChatColor)

[glacial sphinx]

Hello. I am having problems with NBT. So I made a items adder item with nbt: '{mynbt: "hello"}' , but when I get the item it says that has 1 more nbt tag, but then I am trying to get that nbt tag with PersistentDataConteiner with DataType String. It says it doesn't have it. Any help?

[tender shard]

PersistentData is stored in a nested NBT tag called "PublicBukkitValues"

[glacial sphinx]

So I have to set the item's nbt to '{PublicBukkitValues:{...}' ?

[tender shard]

{PublicBukkitValues: {"mynbt": "MyString"}}

oh and the key has to be a namespacedkey

so not just "mynbt" but "myplugin:mynbt"

[glacial sphinx]

myplugin will be the artifact ID or the main class name?

[tender shard]

it's what you defined in plugin.yml as name but in lowercase

[glacial sphinx]

Why it is called PublicBukkitValues?

[tender shard]

because it's visible to the client and hence public

on entities it's just called BukkitValues because the client can't see that, hence not public

[glacial sphinx]

Ok thx I will test it.

[tender shard]

does itemsadder not support PDC tags natively though?

[glacial sphinx]

I can only find nbt in the wiki.

[tender shard]

ah ok. yeah anyway PublicBukkitValues is correct

[frank flicker]

Ive looked through this already, should i be using setdisplayname to set their color?

Oh wait i may have been using the wrong documentation? This one said setColor was deprected: https://jd.papermc.io/paper/1.16/org/bukkit/scoreboard/Team.html#prefix()

I see now that its the wrong paper version, so ill take a closer look thanks for the link

[devout pivot]

anyway to set the ender dragon's or of any mob's health to unlimited?

[tall dragon]

no

but u can set it really large. or make attacks to it deal no damage

[bleak eagle]

@tender shard how do i merge upstream changes into a fork with autosync disabled

preferably from idea

i want to merge the master of the repo that is forked into the master of the fork

do i have to add a separate remote?

[wet breach]

ideally you would have two branches

[bleak eagle]

elaborate if you are willing to listen to my dumb questions

[wet breach]

so how it works is one branch is for pulling upstream

which every so often you keep updated with the second branch

this way if something goes wrong you don't lose everything lol

[bleak eagle]

okay, one sec, check out the following

--- Y2K_/Bukkit (master) <-- NOT AUTOMATICALLY SYNC'D WITH UPSTREAM BY STASH
    --- brunoooooooo/Bukkit_y2k (master) (autosync'd to y2k_'s)```

i want to sync my own fork's master with the original spigot upstream

(it shouldn't have any conflicts)

[wet breach]

assuming the changes in y2k you forked from doesn't have changes that causes issues

anyways, all you do is change the remote to the further upstream

[bleak eagle]

right gotchu

i assumed but i couldn't find any understandable answer

[wet breach]

but this is why I recommend branches

branches can have their own remotes

[bleak eagle]

okay, so i can make a new branch on my fork

and set the remote to spigot?

[wet breach]

yep

[bleak eagle]

and then if i want master to be up to date i just merge the new branch into my master?

[wet breach]

sure and this way you have two repos you are keeping up with 🙂

that you can pull in changes separately

[bleak eagle]

thanks for the help

i guess i could keep the branch synced with spigot and master with unsynced y2k then

[wet breach]

up to you

just have to remember to check for updates is all 😛

[bleak eagle]

can't do it

it tries to push to spigot/bukkit for some reason

i made a new branch called bruno_from_upstream and then set its remote tracked branch to spigot/bukkit/master

then i cleanly pulled the changes in from it

and pushed them back to my fork

but it tries to push to spigot and i have no perms there since only md has

[wet breach]

it shouldn't, but idk how you are doing stuff

never had git do something I didn't want it to do

[bleak eagle]

i really can't tell if that's sarcasm

i think it's trying to push to the

oh yeah

it's totally doing that

one sec

did it :)

i forgot to switch the remote BACK to my fork before pushing

so it was trying to push to the readonly upstream

[wet breach]

o.O

never had my repos try to push to upstream

maybe you are using incorrect commands?

or maybe git has some autosync function now and that function causes it to want to send stuff upstream? would be weird to have this

[bleak eagle]

git remote add upstream https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/scm/spigot/bukkit.git
git fetch upstream
git branch -u upstream/master
git pull
git branch -u origin/bruno_from_upstream
git push

?

[wet breach]

you do know there is tracking branches?

it shouldn't be necessary to update the remote

pushing to your local branch also shouldn't cause it to want to send changes upstream either

[bleak eagle]

no that set of commands worked fine

i forgot the second branch upstream change first

[bleak eagle]

k figured it all out with tracked branches

i think

i made a pr and pinged y2k on stash to see if it's ok with them

[tender shard]

git remote add upstream (url)
git fetch upstream
git merge upstream/master

[terse island]

Hi, could someone help? I'am trying to make API for my plugin but I can't get it done.
Here is what I done so far based on informations I found online.
I created project with interface

public interface AgamasEconomyAPI{

    double getMoney(Player player);
    void giveMoney(Player player, double count);
    void removeMoney(Player player, double count);
}

Then I ran mvn clean install
And implemented the dependency into my 2 other plugins, one main plugin, the one I want the api to be in and other one for testing
Here is what I done in main plugin

private AgamasEconomyAPI apiManager;

@Override
public void onEnable() {
  apiManager = new APIManager(this);
  Variables.main = this;

  getServer().getServicesManager().register(AgamasEconomyAPI.class, apiManager, this, ServicePriority.Normal);
}

And then this in test plugin

@Override
public void onEnable() {

  ServicesManager sm = Bukkit.getServer().getServicesManager();

  Plugin economyPlugin = Bukkit.getServer().getPluginManager().getPlugin("AgamasEconomy");
  RegisteredServiceProvider<AgamasEconomyAPI> serviceAPI = sm.getRegistration(AgamasEconomyAPI.class);

  if (serviceAPI != null) {
    msgAll("Everything is fine!");

    economyAPI = serviceAPI.getProvider();

    for (Player player : getServer().getOnlinePlayers()) {
      player.sendMessage("Your money: "+economyAPI.getMoney(player));
    }
    return;
  }
  if (economyPlugin != null) {
    msgAll("API not found!");
    return;
  }
  msgAll("Plugin not found!");

}

But when I run it I get the API not found! message.

[tender shard]

because you print "API not found" if the plugin instance is not null

you should check if serviceAPI == null, instead of economyPlugin != null

[terse island]

above I have
if (serviceAPI != null) {

then Iam checking if plugin is null or not

[tender shard]

oh now I get your logic

does the API plugin enable before the other one?

is the second plugin soft-depending on the API plugin?

[terse island]

yes
in config of test plugin I have

depend:
  - AgamasEconomy

and I tested and main plugin loads before the test

[tender shard]

are you relocating any classes?

[terse island]

I don't know what you exacly mean by that

[tender shard]

are you using maven-shade-plugin in your test plugin to include AgamasEconomyAPI.class ?

[terse island]

I get it now, yes I'am using 3th project I specificaly have just for interface for AgamasEconomyAPI and I have it implemented in test plugin

[inner mulch]

Integer a = 2;

How would a construxtor look if i try to do with a custom class
MyObject a = 2;

[tender shard]

show the pom.xml of your test plugin pls

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[tender shard]

not possible

[inner mulch]

Hpw does java do it

Integer is a class if not primitive right?

[terse island]

https://paste.md-5.net/ojehajuzem.xml

[tender shard]

autoboxing https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se8/html/jls-5.html

[tender shard]

set <scope>provided</scope> for your API dependency

right now you're shading (including the API class file) in your test plugin .jar. So when it asks for "give me the registration for this class: ..." it asks for the registration of that INCLUDED class which ofc was never registered

[terse island]

Oh god, that was everything I needed to make?
I spent so much time looking for information online but nothing
Thank you so much for your help

[tender shard]

np

[ivory sleet]

Basically, it compiles to Integer.valueOf(primitiveInt)

or well

At runtime thats what happens at least

and then the other way around, it will use Number#intValue()

(Integer extends Number)

[quiet ice]

Signature polymorphy: lol

[inner mulch]

okay, thanks

[ivory sleet]

:)

[bleak eagle]

why does everything in java oop have to be called like this?

[inner mulch]

what?

[bleak eagle]

their name for a variable is like polymorphic nonhomogeneous dynamically synchronized object signature inheritance

[quiet ice]

Polymorphy is OOP stuff

[bleak eagle]

unrelated

[inner mulch]

polymorphism is oop

[bleak eagle]

there

[inner mulch]

@override

[ivory sleet]

Because its their language specification

[bleak eagle]

and java is oop

[ivory sleet]

and is made to be precise, accurate and defined

For enterprise

[bleak eagle]

yet it's anything but clean and understandable, and I don't see it strongly relating to enterprise (?)

[ivory sleet]

Enterprise wants stability, stability requires clearly and unambiguously defined semantics, behavior, rules etc

[quiet ice]

Programmers love Latin and Greek

[ivory sleet]

if its unclear, its hard to know whether a program may behave correctly or incorrectly

[bleak eagle]

that's the answer I was looking for :D

polymorphic inheritance is "clear" and "unambiguous"

?

[ivory sleet]

esp, when java is supposed to be write once, run everywhere

(Although its not)

[bleak eagle]

strong oop was a mistake

but now we have to live with it

[ivory sleet]

java isn’t strictly and monotonously strong oop

I mean sure it was the case 20 years ago

[quiet ice]

Poly = multiple
Morph = forms

Or something idk I didn't do Latin

[ivory sleet]

But they have been actively trying to incorporate for instance functional style to it

[inner mulch]

im want to have an interface that implements a static method to get the real class object of a class instead of the lying getClass() class<?> object, is this possible? From what I've tried its not. (generics arent available for static methods, at least not in the class scope)

[eternal night]

[bleak eagle]

yet now we're left with a half baked mess and several attempts to implement functional programming, async and other "trendy features" on top of a strong oop base

[ivory sleet]

eh

[bleak eagle]

async doesn't have anything to do with it but it's an example

[quiet ice]

Just ignore those features

Ive been doing well without pattern matching

[bleak eagle]

I can ignore them all I want but it doesn't change the fact that they're features in the language that others might write and that you have to understand to read code not written by you

it also doesn't change the fact it's a mess

[inner mulch]

any way i can make this work without using generics?

[quiet ice]

Signature polymorphy (like intrinsics) is something only the JDK can do btw

And well compilers need to cater to it

[quiet ice]

Why do you need to get rid of it?

[inner mulch]

cuz generics dont work with static

red underline

under C

[quaint mantle]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ivory sleet]

Brian Goetz acknowledges that a ton of mistakes were made 25 years ago or so, but there are two sides of java, the enterprise and the devs, the enterprise wants stability, the devs wants up to date/modern features, java also wants to target as wide of an audience as possible, making it reasonable develop for instance games in java (which has been in retrospect no very well w java)

Sure, if you think its a mess, thats ur opinion, but they want to add things such that it becomes easy to use for the average developer, one reason why project valhalla has been taking a long time. They need to care about stability for all the new features whih is why they don’t just shove it up like kotlin, take union types for instance, sure its semantically powerful, but type inference becomes a dry desert horrible to even step in.

They’re not really making attempts, they have been able to incorporate functional style and enhancing their concurrent framework a lot which is generally well received by the community nonetheless, altho 90% of concurrent framework is just AQS under the hood.

[quiet ice]

So, why would the method need to be static?

You can do static <T> T get() if need be

[inner mulch]

I need to get it statically when i already have an instance of the object then there is no need ofr me to get the class in my dsign

[inner mulch]

How would i define T then

[hybrid spoke]

first of all, what are you trying to do

[quiet ice]

Inferred by the compiler?

[hybrid spoke]

second, why

[quiet ice]

It is intrinsically unsafe tho

[ivory sleet]

Its not like the java devs today embrace System.out and java’s verbose main method brunoo

[bleak eagle]

never implied anything I said should be taken as fact, it's obviously my subjective opinion, and my previous points still sort of stand

[ivory sleet]

But radically changing it isn’t a solution

[quiet ice]

Unless the type can be inferred via a param

[inner mulch]

Registry -> obejcts isntanxe -> registered under class

[ivory sleet]

What exactly do you consider to be a half baked mess?

[quiet ice]

It's cool and well justified, so I veto your idea

[ivory sleet]

:/

[bleak eagle]

new useless language features piled onto an already complete and stable language that really don't make it easier to use for anybody, but just add more complexity, more to learn, introduce undefined and buggy situations

[ivory sleet]

Definitely not true

[bleak eagle]

pretty true imo

[ivory sleet]

lightweight threading has been wanted for pretty long

not binding jvm threads to os threads bijectively

[hybrid spoke]

then your opinion is trash