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tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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but overall it's really much better than java

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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the language is perfect kekwhyper

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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I am learning kotlin

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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Everybody here knows some kotlin lol

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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Apparently learning faster than Alex

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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eternal night the language is perfect <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>

perfectly cursed

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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Gottem

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:39 PM

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eternal night the language is perfect <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>

The people are the problem

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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I mean, some of the syntax is fucking cursed xD

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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eternal night the language is perfect <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>

The english language isn't tho

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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true

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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young knoll Apparently learning faster than Alex

clearly smh smh

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/64786662/how-to-annotate-a-kotlin-class-constructor-that-might-throw-an-exception

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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eternal night I mean, some of the syntax is fucking cursed xD

the only thing I find cursed is putting names before types

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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I'm not smart I just use google

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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Let's make a new language that combines some good shit from java and some good shit from kotlin and call it a day

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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tender shard the only thing I find cursed is putting names before types

so many modern languages do this now though

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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because baboons invented them!

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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its annoying, but whatevs

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:40 PM

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Can we combine good shit from other languages too

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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viral temple Let's make a new language that combines some good shit from java and some good s...

And then we'll fuck up and end up with javascript

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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young knoll Can we combine good shit from other languages too

Yes

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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can't we just... combine the bad things of all languages and combinethem into one?

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oh nvm php already did that

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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shadow night And then we'll fuck up and end up with javascript

No.

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Lmao

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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I mean, stuff like return@ is a bit funky

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Poor php

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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tender shard can't we just... combine the bad things of all languages and combinethem into on...

That's JavaScript

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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eternal night I mean, stuff like return@ is a bit funky

that's actually great

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Yea the functionality is great

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the syntax is fucking cursed

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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Ł

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:41 PM

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return@ what

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return@young knoll

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:42 PM

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young knoll return@ what

returning inside of a lambda its kinda cool actually

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:42 PM

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young knoll return<@125349520249847809>

like

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fun foo() {
    listOf(1, 2, 3, 4, 5).forEach {
        if (it == 3) return
        print(it)
    }
    println("hi there")
}

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do you think hi there prints

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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Uhhh

river oracle Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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spoiler it doesn't

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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spoiler it doesn't

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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Imma guess no

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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LOL

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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young knoll return@ what

it's like a label in java

loop@ for (i in 1..100) {
    for (j in 1..100) {
        if (...) break@loop
    }
}

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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well, its a lable they need because their lambda syntax for last param just

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does a LOT

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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tender shard it's like a label in java ```kotlin loop@ for (i in 1..100) { for (j in 1..1...

but it can also be used without assigning names

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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tender shard it's like a label in java ```kotlin loop@ for (i in 1..100) { for (j in 1..1...

I like this

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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I see

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:43 PM

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eternal night do you think hi there prints

Theoretically it should, right? Because a lambda should be handled as a seperate method or something like that I've heard

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:44 PM

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Kotlin says no

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:44 PM

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for you'd have to instead do

fun foo() {
 listOf(1).forEach {
   return@forEach
 }
 print("hi")
}

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like this works again

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and its just fucking cancer xD

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especially when this goes nested

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and then you get absolutely wild syntax if you need to return a value

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e.g. retuirn@lable obj

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which just

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bleach my eyes

slender elbow Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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omw

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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Can I please just use java

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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Sure

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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slender elbow omw

🥰

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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eternal night 🥰

No, don't

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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it has great shit, I long for their delegation syntax

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:45 PM

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Stop edating

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Smh

viral temple Jan 19, 2024, 11:46 PM

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Saves you 1 year of your life

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Or more, if you are me.

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:46 PM

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i want to get a cake on my birthday and somebody of you people here will be responsible for it

young knoll Jan 19, 2024, 11:48 PM

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Not it

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:50 PM

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eternal night for you'd have to instead do ```kt fun foo() { listOf(1).forEach { return@fo...

wow that looks cursed in discord

shadow night Jan 19, 2024, 11:51 PM

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It looks cursed to me in general

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:52 PM

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in IJ the the colors at least match a bit lol

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:52 PM

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Yea I mean, syntax highlight makes it a bit better

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but yea

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cursed as fuck syntax

tender shard Jan 19, 2024, 11:55 PM

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now this is cursed

eternal night Jan 19, 2024, 11:59 PM

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no

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you are missing a return

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use like, a Function or something

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 12:03 AM

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i wish kotlin would allow running code in constructors before calling super

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and java should allow that too ofc

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 12:05 AM

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Isn’t that planned

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 12:08 AM

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planned for javA

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not kotlang

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 12:14 AM

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stupid java default methods don't contain proper javadocs

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where's the @params

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oh wait, that one is private

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why can't i just pass in a file object into a FileNotFoundException D:

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how annoying

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btw here's another nice kotlin feature: singletons using object

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that's basically this

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but one can access it just using ModuleJarFileFilter as if it were an object

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wasnt it somehow possible to unregister all listeners belonging to a class?

sullen marlin Jan 20, 2024, 12:28 AM

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yeah HandlerList or somewhere

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 12:29 AM

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aight thx

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that's great, then I keep track of all listeners a module has registered in my AbstractModule class and then auto-unregister them

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it feels like I'm writing a plugin api for spigot haha

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:05 AM

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RIP I spent 20 minutes finding out why my regex inventoryholder detection isn't working, even though the console said it worked. I was like "hmmm there must be another event that still sorts the inventory". Then I looked at my code again:

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F

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:12 AM

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tender shard RIP I spent 20 minutes finding out why my regex inventoryholder detection isn't ...

return 😈

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you know java 21 has enhanced EMOJI support!

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finally we can return 😈

minor junco Jan 20, 2024, 1:14 AM

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Regex 😭

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:15 AM

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regex are great! Instead of having to add support for 29 different plugins, I can just people to fucking edit their config lol

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:19 AM

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think if plugins actually propery implemented menu's too you wouldn't even have to do this!

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:23 AM

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river oracle think if plugins actually propery implemented menu's too you wouldn't even have ...

yeah true

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usually I always told people that it's the other plugin's jobs to hook into chestsort

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but I think this regex list is by far the easiest option

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also who knew this?

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i wonder which other "tempaltes" github has for markdown

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can normal java classes also be referenced as KClass in kotlin?

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Or do I hve to use the regular java.lang.Class class for java classes?

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 1:34 AM

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nah, Whatever::class will always give a kclass

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:34 AM

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I'm using Class.forName(...)

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 1:35 AM

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there's probably some extension method for j.l.Class to convert to kclass

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:35 AM

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something something ClassMappingKT

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or I think yea

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extension method probably

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https://kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/kotlin.jvm/java.lang.-class/

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indeed

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:36 AM

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ah great

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thx

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then my ModuleJarClassLoader can return a proper KClass instead of a stupid boring Class :3

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:38 AM

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How much Kotlin adoption would it take for spigot to shade the std lib :p

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:38 AM

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the library loader already shares that stuff right ?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:38 AM

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Well yeah

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:38 AM

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Yea

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sounds like the way better way to do this kekwhyper

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:39 AM

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But we shade SQLite and MySQL drivers!

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:39 AM

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who knows why tbf

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cancerous

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:39 AM

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Oof

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:39 AM

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spigot's library feature is stupid

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because it only supports central

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why can't it just support giving custom repos too

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libraries:
  - id: com.jeff-media:custom-block-data:1.0.2
    repo: https://repo.jeff-media.com/public

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Because then optic and his scanning would cry

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:p

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:40 AM

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well then one just downloads the file via code?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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His poor hard drive

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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Yea I mean

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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being able to use the library feature would be nice as one wouldn't have to rewrite stuff like caching, updating snapshots, etc etc (if it even supports snapshots, idk)

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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it is kinda a bit weird

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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~~Yes I know if it’s shaded it would be on his hard drive anyway~~

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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I mean the thing is what stops a plugin from using libby

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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its another attack vector that isn't too cool

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:41 AM

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which is legit just the library feature

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Well Libby has to do some runtime hacking

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But yeah

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:42 AM

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young knoll Well Libby has to do some runtime hacking

runtime hacking but it works

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:42 AM

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For now

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Like, preferably we just add checksum to third party libs

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and gg wp

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:43 AM

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eternal night its another attack vector that isn't too cool

not really imho. a plugin can download arbitrary files anyway. Whether you do URL("https://badsite.com").readBytes() or add badsite.com to the libraries doesn't really matter. in fact, when using the libraries, it's even more obvious whether a download is coming from official-looking-site.com or from attacker.ru

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Yea but I mean, that also isn't good practice

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at least imo

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:43 AM

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I doubt a malicious plugin cares for best practices lol

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:43 AM

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You also need to inject said downloaded bytes

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But yeah

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:43 AM

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Well no, I am not saying you are downloading a malicious plugin

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I am saying you download a plugin that uses library loader correctly

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they link their repo

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:44 AM

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river oracle I doubt a malicious plugin cares for best practices lol

exactly. not allowing every repo is

irrelevant for people who upload bad stuff
annoying for people who don't

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:44 AM

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their repo password is mfnalex and password123

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some fucker gets in

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starts replacing their release builds with malicious BS

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the plugin isn't malicious

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:44 AM

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the same thing could happen if my plugins downloads something from my repo manually using java

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:44 AM

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the author never intended it to be

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which is again why I don#t think you downloading things at runtime is a good practice unless you validate that its the correct shit you are getting

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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well spigot could ofc also raise the upload limit

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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I mean, downloading isn't the issue.

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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or people should learn how to upload their stuff to central, I'm tired of seeing jitpack all day lol

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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The issue is validating that what you get is what you expected

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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well then libraries.yml could also contain a hashsum

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:46 AM

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supply chain attacks aren't anything new, andthey are getting a more common attack vector by the day lol

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yea

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thats what I suggested above

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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libraries:
  - id: com.jeff-media:custom-block-data:1.0.2
    repo: https://repo.jeff-media.com/public
    sha256: awfiugfwa2972<whatever>

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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I don’t think I’ve ever come close to the upload limit tbh

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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young knoll I don’t think I’ve ever come close to the upload limit tbh

haha dude

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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I mean, there is a reason every competent developer like, pins their docker base image to a checksum

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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you've never heard of kchat?

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best 80 mb chat plugin

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-gif-21913178

Tenor

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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mining your crypto takes some space

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thanks

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:47 AM

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young knoll I don’t think I’ve ever come close to the upload limit tbh

this is without modules 🥲

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:48 AM

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How much of that is Kotlin Stalin

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No

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:48 AM

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kekwhyper

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:48 AM

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Kotlin stdlib

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 1:48 AM

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bro

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:48 AM

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young knoll How much of that is Kotlin Stalin

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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OMEGALUL

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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stalin is about 4.7 mb

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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LMAO

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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You can libraries that can’t ya

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Just sayin

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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(that's without minimize() though)

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let's check stalin with minimize()

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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young knoll You can libraries that can’t ya

Yeah but that could break other kotlin plugins

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So not really

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Wut

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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You kinda have to shade

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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cat_what

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oh right

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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with minimizing, stalin is down to less than 1mb

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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spigot classloaders are a fucking mess

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right

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 AM

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tender shard with minimizing, stalin is down to less than 1mb

although I can't tell for sure as it probably also got rid of a few other classes outside of stalinlib

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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tho I think like, the library loader is consulted before asking the global plugin classloader

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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I believe so

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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so should be fine ™️

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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the classloader is fine, I looked at it yesterday

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what's wrong with it?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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I mean

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its not isolated

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while it checks in order

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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yeah it is obviously not as glorious and great as my custom classloader cough

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 AM

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it falls back to the giant "whatever the fuck I can find in plugins"

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OMEGALUL

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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I mean

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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eternal night it falls back to the giant "whatever the fuck I can find in plugins"

yeah well is it supposed to just die if a plugin doesn't use depends?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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yes

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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and paper also killed the opportunity to use softdepend properly

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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Is it not better to take the shot in the dark than just go /shrug idk good luck

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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Well no because taking the shot in the dark might mean you load something you don't wanna load

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 AM

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if two plugins softdepend on each other, paper fails to load them, doesnt it?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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The alternative is nothing though

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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well gg

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cyclic dependencies

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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they are not dependent on each other

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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aight

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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they only "softdepend" on each other to avoid the warning in console

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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ehm

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okay

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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~~I love seeing paper-help posts with like a 10 plugin dependency loop~~

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 AM

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let me boil that down

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plugin A soft depends on plugin B and does logic A1 if plugin B exists onEnable, otherwise A2

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plugin B softdepends on plugin A and does logic B2 if plugin A exists onEnable otherwise B2

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if both plugins exists, one has to be loaded first

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which one is it

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:56 AM

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the classloader should accept plugins loading classes from other plugins without complaining, then softdepend can continue to fail for cycling dependencies.

or the plugin manager should not fail for cyclic dependencies, which makes little sense for softdepend as it literally means "the other plugin is not required anyway", so why fail if they both softdepend each other?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:56 AM

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this has nothing to do with classloader

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like, literally 0

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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it has. people add all plugins they use classes from to their softdepend

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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you can share a classloader no issue

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but that is not what softdepends promises

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soft depends promises that you enable after the soft dependency if its available

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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Yea

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exactly

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aRbiTrArilY

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ggwp

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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loaded arbitrarily != just failing

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:57 AM

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it is literally worse than failing

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

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no it's not

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

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I-

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your skull sometimes is rather thick

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This like, might depend on the file system

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might depend on the jar name

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

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if two plugins depend on each other, then ofc it shall fail. if they only softdepend on each other, then what's the issue with simply loading one of them first? after all both plugins would also have loaded if the other one weren't there?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

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this might change by literally just changing the jar file name

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because the behaviour can change for 0 apparent reason for the end user

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 AM

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tender shard if two plugins depend on each other, then ofc it shall fail. if they only softde...

so the only alternative is to not use softdepend at all. and that leads to the issue that a plugin must be able to access classes from other plugins that are not depends

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 AM

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the alternative is to properly split apart the concept of a load before and load after

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and a shared classloader

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 AM

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Simply load them at the exact same moment

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Little bit of quantum computing

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 AM

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5Head

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✨ async startup ™️ ✨

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 AM

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What are we, forge?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 AM

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we hope to be

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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Oh

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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eternal night the alternative is to properly split apart the concept of a load before and load...

yes. but the docs currently say otherwise and hence any implementation should behave like the docs say

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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young knoll What are we, forge?

service-loading java.lang.Runnable

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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tender shard yes. but the docs currently say otherwise and hence any implementation should be...

okay ?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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So who’s writing the coremod system that uses js

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Oh wait no one uses that anymore

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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sounds like you should be using spigot then

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 AM

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lol ofc

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I'm always using spigot

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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yea so gg, stop complaining xD

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its a dumb design

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needs fixing

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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I thought about redoing the spigot loader

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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idk why it was never touched tbh

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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then fix it i nyour paper-plugin.yml and stop messing with bukkit's version

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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nah

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thats boring

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Then I thought about how to correctly resolve dependency chains and my brain hurted a bit

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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we do offer a flag too btw

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to actually go back to spigots global classloader

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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bukkit's behaviour was left untouched, paper-plugins loading needs not to follow the same rules

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Well now it is untouched xD

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initially it wasn't lol

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owenangry

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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also it does not need fixing. it would be nice to add a loadafter but that does not mean that softdepend is broken. It says "softdepend = required to have full functionality" and that it's loaded after these plugins, if possible

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nothing broken with that all

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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again

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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it's only broken if one considers this to be a loadafter

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which it never promised to be

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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arbitrary anything is fucking dumb

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Alright new plan

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No dependency system

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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smart

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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Done

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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eternal night arbitrary *anything* is fucking dumb

how does paper load plugins? sort the files by name?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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by their dependecy tree ?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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what if I got two plugins

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no dependencies

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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mhm

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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so, you are pointing out the thing to fix: load order and dependency are two separate concepts

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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which one is loaded first

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A.jar or B.jar

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do you just use the result of listFiles?

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because that's arbitrary

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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Yea, no depdencies exist, plugin loading can be done in alphabetical order

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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can be done or is done?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 AM

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I believe it should be ?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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pretty sure it just loops over listFiles

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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not that it matters, the plugins do not declare a depdency

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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By jar name or plugin.yml name

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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:p

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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eternal night not that it matters, the plugins do not declare a depdency

ofc it doesnt matter, but it's arbitrary, and you said that's always bad

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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What if we go the other way

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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let me revise it then

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so you can be happy

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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Load plugins in a random order every startup

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 AM

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TL;DR not loading a plugin because they have themselves as "OPTIONAL" dependencies makes 0 sense

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 AM

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cat_what

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again

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the fact that my plugin execution logic can change because of arbitrary reasons is the issue

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if two plugins remain isolated, they can load in whatever order they want

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:06 AM

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but that is not the case?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:06 AM

#

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:06 AM

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eternal night the fact that my plugin execution logic can change because of arbitrary reasons ...

this only happens in paper when a plugin suddenly stops working because you installed another one

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:06 AM

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eternal night

in onEnable(), both plugins will exist

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as they're obviously all loaded at once, and only after that get enabled

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:07 AM

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Why are 2 plugins soft depending on eachother

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Sounds like L development moment

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:07 AM

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and plugins will obviously check getPlugin(...) != null and not otherPlugin.isEnabled

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and getPlugin will obv return notnull even for disabled plugins

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:07 AM

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mhm yea sure plugins will only do that

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tbf, even fucking worse

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What if plugin A expects B to be in a specific state

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and B expects A to be

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:08 AM

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the current solution to be able to support paper is to simply not use softdepend at all

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:08 AM

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or just use the flag

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:08 AM

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or properly design your plugins

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:08 AM

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or that

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and don't have a mystical cyclic dependency

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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slender elbow or properly design your plugins

it's bad design to have features only available when other plugins installed?

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How is that bad design lmao

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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I'm still confused on in what natural reasonable way a dependency loop would happen why is this a problem? Are developers too stupid to not have cyclic dependencies

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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A cyclic dependency is literally just bad design

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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tender shard it's bad design to have features only available when other plugins installed?

that is not at all what i said

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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like

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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You’d be surprised

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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this is not something you can remotely argue

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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Often its long loops and who knows where the blame falls

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I guess technically to all of them but yeah

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:09 AM

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eternal night A cyclic dependency is literally just bad design

I think you have a problem understanding what a softdepend is. It is NOT a dependency. It does NOT mean A requires B. It simpy means, as the docs say:

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it's a "nice to have", not a "required to have"

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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it is a dependency the second said plugin exists on the server

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a full dependency

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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no

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just read the docs

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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it is treated as such

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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we are not arguing the definition of softdepend

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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idc about the docs

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i care about how it WORKS

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:10 AM

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you are avoiding the fact that there is a cyclic dependency

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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if you don't care about the docs, then there's no point talking about it at all. You simply claim that your definitino of softdepend is the only correct one, completely ignoring what the official docs as pe the wiki is, and then you claim that it should behave differently. If you would just stick to the definition from the wiki, there'd be no issue

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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Are we just gonna ignore that no matter what you do any form of cyclic depenendencies will just break shit

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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it isn't about a definition

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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my brother in christ

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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slender elbow we are not arguing the definition of softdepend

,

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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you can publically define soft depends to whatever the fuck you want

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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tender shard if you don't care about the docs, then there's no point talking about it at all....

Docs don't matter if implementation doesn't follow it

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:11 AM

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when it RUNS it is a cyclic dependncy

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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but if you absichtlich ignore the official definition of softdepend, then what's the point of talking about this in the first place? This discussion is pointless if you just make up random definitions for things that are officially defined as sth else

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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?????????????

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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are you even reading?

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hello??????

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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river oracle Docs don't matter if implementation doesn't follow it

spigot impl does follow it

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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no

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it fucking can't

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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slender elbow you are avoiding the fact that there is a __cyclic__ dependency

no, there is not. There are simply two plugins saying they have additional features if the other plugin is present

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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it cheeses out with an "oh but shit might just be abitrary"

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that is not a definition

full laurel Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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🍿

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:12 AM

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that is a "fuck, concept is flawed, lets put it there"

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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tender shard no, there is not. There are simply two plugins saying they have additional featu...

Well not really it effects load order when applicable if it was a meaningless list of plugins it would be a useless entry

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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cyclic dependency = both need each other. softdepend does not say "need each other" but only "gives additional features if other plugin is also there"

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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i

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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so your whole idea of saying softdepend between two plugins is a cyclic dependency is already wrong

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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okay 👍

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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if two plugins would have each other as depend, then obv it's a cyclic dependency

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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okay 👍

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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glad that you understand it now

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 AM

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okay 👍

sterile token Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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tender shard cyclic dependency = both need each other. softdepend does not say "need each oth...

okay, and what happen if many plugins depends on the same soft depend. Which is loaded first?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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Alright I’m sick of this

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New plugin loader

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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sterile token okay, and what happen if many plugins depends on the same soft depend. Which is ...

what?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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stonks

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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Does not load plugins

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The end

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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mixins

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das the solution

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who needs dependencies when you can just fuck with the internals

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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The real solution is nuking everyone and going raw on nms

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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perfect

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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Raw dog the NMS

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 AM

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call it rawgot

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and bam

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:18 AM

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Maybe I’ll look in to redoing the plugin loader one day

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~~Partially because I want registry api :(~~

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:20 AM

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young knoll ~~Partially because I want registry api :(~~

Yes

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Please

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:20 AM

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NODDERS

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tbf, the new enchantment tag stuff looks promising

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I wonder how many more releases we get

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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It does

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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till enchantment reg is synced

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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eternal night okay 👍

Just to summarize again. The name "softdepend" is misleading, as it's not meant to describe things actually "depending" on each other. a better name would be "profits-from" or sth.

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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idc, please just drop it

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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k

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:21 AM

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thanks 👍

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:22 AM

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chrome should have an option to have a second line for tabs

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:22 AM

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PepeBroWTF

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do you at least have the plugin to like

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sleep tabs youi don't use

inner mulch Jan 20, 2024, 2:22 AM

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does somebody know how i get the full amount exp points a player has, the methods that im aware of (player.getExp && player.getExpToLevels) arent useful in this case

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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that's nothing

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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eternal night sleep tabs youi don't use

no. when I search for a specific tab I just use @tab in the search bar

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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OMEGALUL

kind hatch Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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tender shard chrome should have an option to have a second line for tabs

Imagine not having tab stacks + workspaces. Couldn't be me.

slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1084837168071069697/1093366224710271166/image.png?ex=65bb0625&is=65a89125&hm=e5a375ca842df7fb421ea222993d2e8a3af180c95535e7bb7cb8535771cf6018&

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someone embed that pls

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@eternal night@eternal night@eternal night@eternal night

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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slender elbow Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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thx

kind hatch Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 AM

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no problem

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🥷

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:24 AM

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boykisserdead

kind hatch Jan 20, 2024, 2:24 AM

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My internet slow. D:

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:24 AM

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tender shard <:boykisserdead:1195808334947832101>

eyeshake interesting name

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:24 AM

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yk what's weird, on my PC i only get ~400mbit but on my macbook throgh WIFI I get over 1 gbit

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how the hell can that happen

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it's a CAT7 cable and my ethernet card says 1gbit

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and another computer that's also connected through LAN does get 1gbit

kind hatch Jan 20, 2024, 2:25 AM

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Difference in drivers more than likely

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:28 AM

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tasks.shadowJar {
  minimize {
    include(libs.kotlin.stdlib)
  }
}

If I do this but I also depend on another dependency that also depends on stdlib, does shadow still minimize stdlib or not?

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@river oracle our classloaders are currently cmopletely independent, do you think we'd ever need to allow a module to access another module's classes? and if yes, I guess we should probably add some kind of interface registration system instead of just arbitrarily loading classes from the other classloaders?

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:32 AM

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That’s so many tabs wtf

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:33 AM

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unused ram is wasted ram

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:33 AM

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How often do you actually go back to some of them

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:33 AM

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sometimes

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:34 AM

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I get like

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Cold sweats when I have 10 tabs open

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:34 AM

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i just switch tabs like this

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on mac it's even easier, just do cmd+space

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i think I'll get an m3 imac when I move to my new place

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wtf imac only goes up to 24GB RAM?!

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guess I'll not be getting an imac then

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:49 AM

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tender shard <@318887270415466496> our classloaders are currently cmopletely independent, do ...

no we probably shouldn't

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the point of the modules is the independence as soon as we have modules depending on other modules thing will go to shit everything that needs to be a core dependency should go in core

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:50 AM

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What about third party stuff

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:50 AM

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young knoll What about third party stuff

third party modules should also be independent besides depending on the core and spigot

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if you don't like the configurations of a default module you can always replace it type deal

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:51 AM

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Mmm just thinking of a case where a module wants to be an addon to another module

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:52 AM

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ocelots and cats don't share a common super class? 😮

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:52 AM

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we could do that, but i'd take the stance of only allowing hard dependencies

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 AM

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young knoll Mmm just thinking of a case where a module wants to be an addon to another modul...

hm yeah in that case we should probably do sth similar to spigot with depend

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 AM

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again i'd be hard against something like soft-depend or something

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 AM

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shouldn't be hard, we'll just create another classloader that combines the two existing ones

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 AM

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if you wanna extend something depend is good enough further than that replace the dependency

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:54 AM

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river oracle again i'd be hard against something like soft-depend or something

we could just add an option to basics-module.yml to "open the classpath" to those modules

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classpath:
- basics:tpa

e.g. this would then allow to access all classes from the builtin tpa module

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it will however not check if that module is actually running or anything. It's only purpose would be to add those classes to the modules classloader?

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:56 AM

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meh I'd be inclined to have depend but only hard depend. Any circular dependencies just turn off the modules and say circular dependencies etc

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the modules themselves should tend to be small features etc so we really shouldn't need to ball out on an advanced loading system that accounts for a lot of logic

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:59 AM

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yes I fully agree that it shouldn't be needed anyway

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but if we ever had to add sth like this, I would opt for a simple list of modules which classes one wants to access and those will get added to the classloader then

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hm I wonder, if I got a classloader, I can ofc set a parent classloader.

But let's imagine I got two classloaders, both are URLClassloaders:

A.jar and B.jar

Now I want to have a classloader that combines both - would I just create a new ClassLoader from scratch that just delegates findClass(...) to both, and returns whatever of the underlying classloaders returns for findClass?

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or is there a better way?

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@worldly ingot you might know more about this maybe?

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sry for ping

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otherwise I'll have to ping geol

worldly ingot Jan 20, 2024, 3:11 AM

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No clue. Not done much class loading, personally

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:12 AM

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I'm going to load your class into Wisconsin if you're not careful

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:15 AM

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tender shard hm I wonder, if I got a classloader, I can ofc set a parent classloader. But le...

@quiet ice you are my bytecode buddy, you must know this

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:15 AM

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Chichi makes other people load his classes

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Wtf is chichi

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Choco

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:16 AM

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river oracle I'm going to load your class into Wisconsin if you're not careful

oh yeah? that's what you're going to do? huh?!

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:16 AM

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tender shard oh yeah? that's what you're going to do? huh?!

Make you eat cheese

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And culvers

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:16 AM

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oh btw we still need to figure one thing out:

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I'll give an example

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@CommandAlias("test")
@CommandPermission("test")
class Hello{
  @SubCommand("hello")
  fun hello(p: Player) { p.sendMessage("hello") }
}

// in another class:
@CommandAlias("test")
class World{
  @SubCommand("world")
  fun world(p: Player) { p.sendMessage("world") }
}

Both commands are "test", but only the first one has CommandPermission set. I know that declaring subcommands like this works fine, but I wonder if now /test world also requires the test permission

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if someone is bored, maybe try it out? I'm again rewriting the module loading logic rn because I'm still unhappy with how it was split up between plugin and core

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also I'll make it much easier and more straightforward

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:19 AM

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tender shard ```java @CommandAlias("test") @CommandPermission("test") class Hello{ @SubComm...

it should

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that's what ACF example insinuated

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:19 AM

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you mean it would require the perms for both commands, or only require them for what's in Hello?

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:20 AM

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perm would be required in both

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:20 AM

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i mean, we could easily test it out, but I'm currently on my branch that doesn't have working module loading logic lol

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:20 AM

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river oracle perm would be required in both

hmmm

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I don't know whether I like this, or not

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:20 AM

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you should otherwise it'd be inconsistent

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for eample test hello requires test perm so should test world

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they are both a subset of "test"

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:21 AM

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true

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yeah anyway, both possibilities wouldnt be an issue as one usually declares perms per subcommand anyway, and the main command would simply show a help message with @foggy boughssage and @Default

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oh hello HelpMe

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btw we can enable per player locales and automatic help generation in ACF but I currently dont remember how

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:22 AM

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That's later problem xD

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:25 AM

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Can also try their brig support

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:26 AM

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It's old asf with no updates I doubt it'll work well

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Could try but like skull emoji

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:28 AM

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😩

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:29 AM

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java plebs be like: "oh nooo, I have to print out a file, it's so annoying, uuugh D:"

public class FileReadingJava {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        try (BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new FileReader("example.txt"))) {
            String line;
            while ((line = br.readLine()) != null) {
                System.out.println(line);
            }
        } catch (IOException e) {
            throw new UncheckedIOException(e);
        }
    }
}

kotlin superiors be like: ok

fun main() {
    File("example.txt").forEachLine { println(it) }
}

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:30 AM

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tender shard java plebs be like: "oh nooo, I have to print out a file, it's so annoying, uuug...

Kotlin simp now aye

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:31 AM

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Smh how far he has fallen

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:p

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:31 AM

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optic destroyed me

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river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:33 AM

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Java nio >>>>>

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:35 AM

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Take that Kotlin

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Clearly all the best basics modules will be in java

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 3:37 AM

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Lol

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Don't think it's gonna be possible cuz the interfaces have fields

paper viper Jan 20, 2024, 3:38 AM

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Who even uses normal io these days 🤮

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The nio channels are also so good uwu

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:42 AM

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The what have fields

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That’s illegal

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 3:50 AM

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tender shard java plebs be like: "oh nooo, I have to print out a file, it's so annoying, uuug...

Takes a break from spigot

Comes back

Alex is a kotlin enjoyer now

Wtf?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:51 AM

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noble lantern > Takes a break from spigot > Comes back > Alex is a kotlin enjoyer now Wtf?

also have you seen my great gradle skillzzz=

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 3:51 AM

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gradle is giga_chad though

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:51 AM

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https://github.com/SpigotBasics/basics look at this fancy gradlyness

GitHub

GitHub - SpigotBasics/basics: WIP modular core plugin for modern Sp...

WIP modular core plugin for modern Spigot versions - GitHub - SpigotBasics/basics: WIP modular core plugin for modern Spigot versions

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especialy buildSrc

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 3:53 AM

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tender shard https://github.com/SpigotBasics/basics look at this fancy gradlyness

100% gonna fork that for the copyPluginToTestServer I really need to get with the times and start doing this

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im still drag and dropping in 2024 pigcry

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:54 AM

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Gotta be real gigachad and force a reload command

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:57 AM

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noble lantern 100% gonna fork that for the `copyPluginToTestServer` I really need to get with ...

well all you need for that is just

tasks.register("copyToTestServer", Copy::class) {
    group = "testserver"
    description = "Copies the plugin to the test server"
    from(tasks.shadowJar.archiveFile)
    into(yourDestination)
}```

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it will automatically depend on shadowJar because it uses its outputs

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if you don't use shadow, just replace the from part to use tasks.jar instead of tasks.shadowJar

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 3:58 AM

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tender shard well all you need for that is just ```gradle tasks.register("copyToTestServer", ...

can it do it to external servers? Mainly to something like my dedi

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or only local files

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always assumed that was strictly local

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 3:58 AM

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You can make winscp sync a directory

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 3:58 AM

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ooo not a bad idea

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 3:59 AM

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if you got an SSH key setup that doesn't require a passkey, I'm sure you could just create an URI like ssh://user@server:/home/minecraft/ and turn that into a file or sth?

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but I'm not sure

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i mean it's 100% possible, the qeustion is just whether it's one line or 7

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in the worst case you'd just have to throw it into scp

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I also hereby wanna publicly apologize and admit i was ignorant earlier: gradle is superior to maven and kotlin is superior to java

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 4:03 AM

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Blink twice if you are being forced to say this

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:05 AM

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kek

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:07 AM

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noble lantern ooo not a bad idea

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13183433/how-to-copy-directory-via-scp-within-gradle-task this unfortunately is for groovy but the idea is the same

Stack Overflow

How to copy directory via scp within gradle task?

What is a clean and elegant way to copy a bunch of files via scp with Gradle?

Two ways I currently see are:
Using Apache Wagon, as described here: http://markmail.org/message/2tmtaffayhq25g4s
Exe...

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oh wait, their solution is horrible

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I'll write a blog post about how to properly do it tomorrow. it's much easier than creating random ant tasks

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for example with the SSH plugin: https://gradle-ssh-plugin.github.io/

but instead of using from: "filename.jar" I'd rather use an output of an existing task, e.g.

plugins {
  id 'org.hidetake.ssh' version 'x.y.z'
}

remotes {
  webServer {
    host = '192.168.1.101'
    user = 'jenkins'
    identity = file('id_rsa')
  }
}

task deploy {
  doLast {
    ssh.run {
      session(remotes.webServer) {
        put from: tasks.shadowJar.archiveFile, into: '/remoteDir/'
      }
    }
  }
}

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that will also properly set the outputs so gradle can cache it etc

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 4:11 AM

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tender shard I also hereby wanna publicly apologize and admit i was ignorant earlier: gradle ...

i can accept the first part, but youll never gain support for kotlin > java Sadge

noble lantern Jan 20, 2024, 4:11 AM

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tender shard I'll write a blog post about how to properly do it tomorrow. it's much easier th...

ooo yes another alex blog post

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i got a whole bookmark tab for em XD

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:13 AM

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I will show one kotlin > java snippet per day.

object ModuleJarFileFilter : FileFilter {
    override fun accept(pathname: File?): Boolean {
        return pathname?.name?.lowercase()?.endsWith(".jar") ?: false
    }
}

Usage: ```kotlin
myDIrectory.listFiles(ModuleJarFileFilter)


Java:
```java
    public class ModuleJarFileFilter implements FileFilter {
        
        public static final ModuleJarFileFilter INSTANCE = new ModuleJarFileFilter();

        @Override
        public boolean accept(File file) {
            return file == null ? false : file.getName().endsWith(".jar");
        }
    }

usage: ```java
myDirectory.listFiles(ModuleJarFileFilter.INSTANCE);

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the object keyword basically is a singleton and one can access the instance using just the class name. One also doesn't have to worry about creating the instance

knotty aspen Jan 20, 2024, 4:15 AM

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What I see there is that if you only have 4KB of storage space left and need to prioritise the code length over readability you should use Kotlin

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:16 AM

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if you worry about 4kb, then you should much rather use java lol

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the kotlin stdlib is like 5MB

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and the compiler is also slower

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also I dont think that kotlin is less readable

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only thing that bothers me is that it uses names before types

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but that's valid because usually you don't need to specify types

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var and val automatically detect the types

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why for example would you need to do final String name = "asd"? Obviously it's a string. In kotlin you just do val name = "asd"

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what does bother me though is the lack of a proper static keyword

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however in 99% of cases, static methods can be replaced with extension functions, and for the remaining stuff, the companion object basically is the same as declaring a static method

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another example

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 4:25 AM

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U shud starting using var in Java Alex :P

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Tbh java shoulda also just added Val but it's whatevs

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final var string = "fun"

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:27 AM

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Java

public class NumbersToString {

    private static final Map<Integer, String> NUMBERS_TO_STRING = new HashMap<Integer, String>() {
        {
            put(0, "zero");
            put(1, "one");
            put(2, "two");
            put(3, "three");
            put(4, "four");
            put(5, "five");
            put(6, "six");
            put(7, "seven");
            put(8, "eight");
            put(9, "nine");
        }
    };

    public static String replaceNumbersToStrings(String input) {
        for (Map.Entry<Integer, String> entry : NUMBERS_TO_STRING.entrySet()) {
            input = input.replaceAll(entry.getKey().toString(), entry.getValue());
        }
        return input;
    }
    
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println(replaceNumbersToStrings("I am 5 years old."));
    }
}

Kotlin

val NUMBERS_TO_STRING = mapOf(
    0 to "zero",
    1 to "one",
    2 to "two",
    3 to "three",
    4 to "four",
    5 to "five",
    6 to "six",
    7 to "seven",
    8 to "eight",
    9 to "nine"
)

fun String.replaceNumbersToStrings(): String {
    return map { NUMBERS_TO_STRING.getOrDefault(it.code, it) }.joinToString { "" }
}

fun main() {
    println("I am 5 years old.".replaceNumbersToStrings())
}

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:28 AM

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river oracle U shud starting using var in Java Alex :P

can't, I'm always using java 8

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 4:28 AM

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Oof

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Java 8 is so ild

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I'll never be a Java hater it's such a great language obv doesn't mean it's perfect but it's def not horrible

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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sure, java is great

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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I could be coding in C++ or something

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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kotlin is just java with extra cool features

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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Oh God my job I have an emphasis in embedded systems

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C++ incoming

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:30 AM

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oh shit it's 5.30 am and my bf comes back home in 12 hours

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maybe I should snack a clonazepam and go to bed

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 4:31 AM

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My bf never came home

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He went to get some milk never saw him again

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 4:31 AM

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fake, you're not even bi

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wtf my paperless is now using german forbidden msgs even though the rest of the app is in engish lmao

molten hearth Jan 20, 2024, 4:34 AM

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📣 CSRF WARNING 📣

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pov: laravel when i forgot @csrf

rare rover Jan 20, 2024, 5:18 AM

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tender shard wtf my paperless is now using german forbidden msgs even though the rest of the ...

why tf do you have so many tabs open

quaint mantle Jan 20, 2024, 5:19 AM

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tender shard ## Java ```java public class NumbersToString { private static final Map<Int...

https://stackoverflow.com/a/27521360

Rip a kitten

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 5:55 AM

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rare rover why tf do you have so many tabs open

because I consume lots of information

wet breach Jan 20, 2024, 5:56 AM

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tender shard because I consume lots of information

https://tenor.com/view/eat-kirby-anime-الطعام-gif-4848690

Tenor

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 5:56 AM

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quaint mantle https://stackoverflow.com/a/27521360 Rip a kitten

i don't understand 🥲

halcyon hemlock Jan 20, 2024, 6:22 AM

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tender shard i don't understand 🥲

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 6:23 AM

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i only see 1 brace used

halcyon hemlock Jan 20, 2024, 6:25 AM

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halcyon hemlock

time to use double brace initialisation

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but i dont use java anymore so thats irrelevant ig

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 6:32 AM

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halcyon hemlock

I'm a dog person so I'll start spamming these

halcyon hemlock Jan 20, 2024, 6:39 AM

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ashen quest I'm a dog person so I'll start spamming these

#kill kittens!!!

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 6:41 AM

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Hell yeah

cobalt thorn Jan 20, 2024, 7:45 AM

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Im trying using a custom command with setblock ~ ~ ~ minecraft:dirt 0 replace {nbt} how can i manage to do it in code without calling the command with the exact result?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 8:14 AM

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halcyon hemlock

if only there'd be a similar language that'd avoid all these things... OH WAIT

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 8:15 AM

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tender shard if only there'd be a similar language that'd avoid all these things... OH WAIT

~~Typescript~~

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 8:16 AM

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weve lost alex

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 8:17 AM

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"We have lost the battle, but not the war" - No idea who said that tbh

halcyon hemlock Jan 20, 2024, 8:20 AM

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tender shard if only there'd be a similar language that'd avoid all these things... OH WAIT

what language

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kotlin?

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never tried it

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 8:25 AM

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mapOf(
  "mfnalex" to 28,
  "oliver" to 17,
  "frostalf" to 33
)```

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yes, kotlin

sullen wharf Jan 20, 2024, 8:35 AM

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tender shard kotlin is just java with extra cool features

and horrible readibility

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And an extra amount of clutter for no reason

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🫠

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 8:43 AM

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sullen wharf and horrible readibility

No

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Kotlin >>>>>> Java in all aspects except being bad

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Kotlin readibility is quite good, it's not bad, it's just that Java readibility is too good.

Which isn't that good itself since this just makes shit more verbose

frail willow Jan 20, 2024, 8:49 AM

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How to set Jukebox's has_record value to true?
https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/block/data/type/Jukebox.html
https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/block/Jukebox.html

Jukebox (Spigot-API 1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.block.data.type, interface: Jukebox

Jukebox (Spigot-API 1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.block, interface: Jukebox

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 8:51 AM

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there is no way jetbrains is not losing money with the way they're currently doing their AI stuff

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I know for a fact that if you're going by the normal api rates I am costing them at least $20 a day in queries, even if they're incredibly discounted for some reason their yearly ai plan is still just $10/mo

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 8:57 AM

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Damn

sullen wharf Jan 20, 2024, 8:59 AM

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ashen quest Kotlin readibility is quite good, it's not bad, it's just that Java readibility ...

and I pray for that

upper hazel Jan 20, 2024, 9:12 AM

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Is it possible to create a custom system for melting objects in the furnace like craft system

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?

sullen marlin Jan 20, 2024, 9:19 AM

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frail willow How to set Jukebox's has_record value to true? https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs...

Add a record

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 9:20 AM

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added my mixtape, now the jukebox is on fire, send help

echo basalt Jan 20, 2024, 9:34 AM

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torn shuttle I know for a fact that if you're going by the normal api rates I am costing them...

me using github copilot for free

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 9:34 AM

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the intellij ai integration is straight up wacky

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it's really, really good

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I recommend trying it

echo basalt Jan 20, 2024, 9:35 AM

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I have the github copilot chat

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you actually think I'm gonna update my ide?

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hell no

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 9:35 AM

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me two weeks ago

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when my ide was 2 years behind

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or 3

echo basalt Jan 20, 2024, 9:35 AM

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I was using 2016 intellij until like 2021

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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hey past me, wtf did u write this line for?

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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I used intellij community during the start of my Java dev journey
Got GitHub edu pack
Switched to intellij ultimate
Then also had webstorm, pycharm and datagrip

Now I dont really program but when I get back I'll start doing stuff in go or rust, so will either install the Go or rust jetbrain ides
Or neovim with nv Chad which is straight up ultra smaxing

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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incase its a fake player

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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buoyant viper hey past me, wtf did u write this line for?

This is crazy

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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buoyant viper hey past me, wtf did u write this line for?

what if the player... isn't a player????

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:37 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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no clue

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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shadow night what if the player... isn't a player????

We're going into a paradoz

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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now this is what I call a certified website

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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i wonder if i caught some bizarre edge case or something, or was just genuinely braindead when i wrote it

torn shuttle Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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among all the websites this is the one

frail willow Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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sullen marlin Add a record

Thanks for the reply, but I found that I can use debugstick to change its value to true without adding record. How do I make has_record true in the plugin?

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 9:38 AM

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buoyant viper no clue

Now do u know what will happen?
U will remove it, with some other changes, and ur code will stop working, after a few hours you will realize it was that it statement and add it back

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:39 AM

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its like tf2 pineapple.jpg

sullen marlin Jan 20, 2024, 9:39 AM

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frail willow Thanks for the reply, but I found that I can use debugstick to change its value ...

The value doesn’t do anything though

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 9:40 AM

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buoyant viper its like tf2 pineapple.jpg

what game had the coconut.png

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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oh was it coconut

ashen quest Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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sullen marlin The value doesn’t do anything though

Md I have a question.

When u started spigot, what was ur mindset, did u ever expect it to be as big as it is rn, and were there any other members with you in the starting days.
Also with spigot are u able to make a living out of it or do u still work on other stuff

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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tf2 coconut.png then yeah

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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ahh

frail willow Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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sullen marlin The value doesn’t do anything though

If this value is set to true, player cannot place record inside

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 9:41 AM

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cancel the interact event instead

frail willow Jan 20, 2024, 9:43 AM

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remote swallow cancel the interact event instead

I am making a plugin to replace debugstick. I hope this plugin can have all the functions of debugstick.

glacial narwhal Jan 20, 2024, 9:50 AM

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hey, does anybody know how to add UTF-8 to my plugin?

frail willow Jan 20, 2024, 9:51 AM

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frail willow How to set Jukebox's has_record value to true? https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs...

Lectern has a similar problem
https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/block/data/type/Lectern.html

Lectern (Spigot-API 1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.block.data.type, interface: Lectern

lost matrix Jan 20, 2024, 9:55 AM

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glacial narwhal hey, does anybody know how to add UTF-8 to my plugin?

You mean replace existing UTF-8 characters?

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Or just use them

glacial narwhal Jan 20, 2024, 9:57 AM

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lost matrix You mean replace existing UTF-8 characters?

Like that it doesn't give me a strange symbol when i print "é"

lost matrix Jan 20, 2024, 9:58 AM

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Make sure your plugin is compiled using UTF-8 as a file encoding

glacial narwhal Jan 20, 2024, 9:58 AM

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How do i compile my plugin with UTF-8?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 9:59 AM

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What build system are you using ? maven ? gradle ?

lost matrix Jan 20, 2024, 9:59 AM

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^

glacial narwhal Jan 20, 2024, 9:59 AM

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eternal night What build system are you using ? maven ? gradle ?

Gradle

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 9:59 AM

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tasks.withType<JavaCompile> {
        options.encoding = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
        options.release = 17
    }
    tasks.withType<Javadoc> {
        options.encoding = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
    }
    tasks.withType<ProcessResources> {
        filteringCharset = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
    }

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pretty much

glacial narwhal Jan 20, 2024, 10:00 AM

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Thx

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 10:04 AM

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ew gradle kotlin

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:06 AM

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Sadge

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:06 AM

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tender shard java plebs be like: "oh nooo, I have to print out a file, it's so annoying, uuug...

Java pros be like:

public class FileReadingJava {
    public static void main(String[] args) throws Throwable {
        Files.readAllLines(Path.of("example.txt"), StandardCharsets.UTF_8).forEach(System.out::println);
    }
}

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The charset is technically even optional

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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quiet ice The charset is technically even optional

if it is not present, will it automatically recognize the charset or will it just default to something?

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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The default is UTF8

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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okay but

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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At least according to the Java 20 javadocs

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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in java 21 you could also just drop the public class and public static void

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just void main() it

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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hmmm

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"throws Throwable" ah yes, the floor here is made out of floor

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:09 AM

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Yep, but I stayed with Java 7 java code

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:09 AM

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Well java 8

lost matrix Jan 20, 2024, 10:09 AM

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eternal night just void main() it

Keep your scripting language features away from by beautifully verbose java

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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kekwhyper

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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Well Java 11, for Java 7 you'd use Paths#get instead of Path#of

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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ah

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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lost matrix Keep your scripting language features away from by beautifully verbose java

lmao

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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true

sullen marlin Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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frail willow If this value is set to true, player cannot place record inside

Open a feature request then please

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?jira

undone axleBOT Jan 20, 2024, 10:11 AM

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https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 10:11 AM

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also, anybody ever encountered a Scanner(System.in) with a while loop being slow as fuck? It just happened to me randomly and it takes like two seconds for the scanner to put out a string

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:25 AM

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tender shard hm I wonder, if I got a classloader, I can ofc set a parent classloader. But le...

I'd honestly just copy minestom's hierarchical classloader (https://github.com/Starloader-project/Starloader/tree/54310449fcb963ceeef5cba83ef50bbd10eabd1e/src/main/java/net/minestom/server/extras/selfmodification) and remove all the features you don't need or want.

Otherwise if you really want to do it from scratch you'd probably be better of overriding loadClass. After querying findLoadedClass‎ and the system (under Java 8 or below) or the platform (under Java 9+) classloader [and then the parent classloader, if you wish to support that], you can call the loadClass method of the child loaders. The only real catch is that if the child classloaders have your parent classloader as their parent set (without any further logic, that is the child loaders are bog standard URL classloaders) a stack overflow will occur as the child loader will first query the parent loader, then itself - such conditions could be mitigated via ThreadLocals that will NOP attempts to load a class in twice.

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 10:32 AM

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no way its fourteen brush

vernal oasis Jan 20, 2024, 10:39 AM

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How do I make something only execute on the first run of a plugin?

echo basalt Jan 20, 2024, 10:39 AM

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save some kind of config file

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see if the data folder doesn't exist or sumn

vernal oasis Jan 20, 2024, 10:40 AM

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I want to have it run a command to disable some default minecraft stuff on first run but only the first time it's run

tardy delta Jan 20, 2024, 10:40 AM

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quiet ice I'd honestly just copy minestom's hierarchical classloader (<https://github.com/...

cant he just do URLClassLoader(loaderA.urLs + loaderB.urLs), so just combining the urls into a new classloader

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 10:40 AM

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vernal oasis I want to have it run a command to disable some default minecraft stuff on first...

set a flag in teh World PDC

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at startup, if the flag is there your plugin has been run before with this world

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:41 AM

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tardy delta cant he just do `URLClassLoader(loaderA.urLs + loaderB.urLs)`, so just combining...

you could, but in that case the classloaders are not isolated

tardy delta Jan 20, 2024, 10:41 AM

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mye

quiet ice Jan 20, 2024, 10:42 AM

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This could pose problems in case of shaded dependencies - although now that you mention it these problems would still be present for as long as the child classloaders are stock URLClassLoaders

upper hazel Jan 20, 2024, 10:51 AM

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Has anyone done protection against incorrectly configured config values in the plugin? Can anyone else add anything else to this class who has done this?
https://paste.md-5.net/qimiveyero.java

vernal oasis Jan 20, 2024, 11:02 AM

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wdym?

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:11 AM

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What is the best way to store a list of killed players in MySQL for a player, while still having the ability to add and remove them (for example, for 2000 players at once). Or should I come up with some other way to solve my problem?

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:12 AM

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Why do you need to store killed players?

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:13 AM

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I'm making a bounty hunter plugin, when I kill a player I need to save the head in the "case with heads", and then I will need to hand over this head to the NPC, and remove the head from all players

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:15 AM

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seems an odd way to do it

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do the players all get a list of every bounty head?

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:16 AM

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do not quite understand

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:16 AM

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It seems to me the only one who needs a full list would be the NPC

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player kills someone, takes head to NPC and gets bounty if there is a bounty to be paid

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:16 AM

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the player writes the command /case, and an inventory is generated with heads that are in mySQL, in the format "Elgar MrTvist ..."

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I just did this before, but now I plan to rewrite the plugin for optimization purposes

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the plugin has not been adequately tested

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:17 AM

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Doing it your way I'd not give the heads to each player

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Make an inventory in your plugin which has the heads, and open it for the player upon command

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that way teh player never has the heads inventory so you only have one inventory to update

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:19 AM

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I meams. if you have to end up persisting the data anyway inventory would be a meh idea

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:19 AM

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you will still need to create a database or file to save inventory after shutdown

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:19 AM

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giving out heads to every player is a bad idea

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you don;t need to save inventory, you nly need a list of UUIDs

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:20 AM

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eternal oxide giving out heads to every player is a bad idea

you can't take them from there

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:20 AM

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eternal oxide you don;t need to save inventory, you nly need a list of UUIDs

Which is what they were asking to begin with cat_what

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:21 AM

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just store all bounty UUIDs in your database

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don;t give them to the players

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:21 AM

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you can't take them from there
They aren't 😭

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:21 AM

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create an inventory to hold them, which the players can all open.

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when a player kills someone, give them a head of that player.

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they take that head to the NPC, and exchange the head for a reward.

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You then remove that UUID from your db, and remove the head from your inventory

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 11:23 AM

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okay thank you

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thanks for the advice

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:24 AM

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how you store the UUIDs is upto you, be it as Longs or VARCHAR(36).

smoky anchor Jan 20, 2024, 11:33 AM

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Yo, some time ago someone posted a link to a website I think.
There was a description of how to do one big thing over several ticks in smaller parts. (For example placing a lot of blocks)
Anyone knows where I can find that ?

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:34 AM

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there is a ? for it but I can't remember. ?distr something

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?workdistro

undone axleBOT Jan 20, 2024, 11:34 AM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-on-workload-distribution-or-how-to-handle-heavy-splittable-tasks.409003/

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:35 AM

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remembered 😉

smoky anchor Jan 20, 2024, 11:35 AM

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ah thankyou very much

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:38 AM

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apparently this is the IP that the player used to connect from

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like play.server.com

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not the players IP

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where can I access the Player's IP? (this is bungeecord btw)

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 11:44 AM

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Try getSocketAddress() not getVirtualHost()

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it has getInetAddress()

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:49 AM

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eternal oxide it has getInetAddress()

no it doesn't 👀

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apparently this is the problem

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:50 AM

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topaz cape apparently this is the problem

Connection class btw

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okay so how do i blacklist linux players

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lmao

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 11:54 AM

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./hack.sh

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:54 AM

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nah, too illegal

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:54 AM

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linux players ? xD

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 11:55 AM

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theyll be too busy installing a web browser to play minecraft anyway

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https://tenor.com/bw1bO.gif

Tenor

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:55 AM

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eternal night linux players ? xD

On unix systems like linux processes can communicate via domain sockets

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which is a problem cuz

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there is no ip involved

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:56 AM

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Yea but that is on the server

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:56 AM

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Well, I still cannot blacklist Unix based connections like that

lost matrix Jan 20, 2024, 11:56 AM

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?

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What did i just join to?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:57 AM

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your server is the one that would have to bind to a unix socket

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clients cannot just magically use a socket on your system

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 11:58 AM

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That's most likely the case w/ bungeecord though

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:58 AM

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cat_what

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it isn't

quaint mantle Jan 20, 2024, 11:58 AM

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Hey guys, how can I set player the shaking animation, like shivering?

steady pelican Jan 20, 2024, 11:58 AM

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buoyant viper https://tenor.com/bw1bO.gif

microsoft edge : hello, you wanna try me?
me : sure!
me : goes to brave and clicks on download
microsoft edge : you sure you don't love me anymore?
me : shut the f-up

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that was true with IE

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and a little bit true with Edge

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 11:59 AM

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couldnt be me

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i installed Chocolatey then installed Firefox

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 11:59 AM

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topaz cape That's most likely the case w/ bungeecord though

Like, this would make sense if you e.g. have HAProxy running infront of a set of bungeecord instances.
HAProxy could forward via unix socket so you can skip the whole TCP layer as there is no benefit

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but you'd have to be the one that sets that up

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 12:00 PM

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eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 12:00 PM

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it is by far not a common thing

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 12:00 PM

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yeah i run Linux (Windows) see i have a package manager

steady pelican Jan 20, 2024, 12:00 PM

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i need to wait for my account to be deleted

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 12:00 PM

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ill just add an option to disallow Unix-Based connections

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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Sure yea

steady pelican Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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bro why can't websites just make a fucking button "delete my account" ?

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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buoyant viper yeah i run Linux (Windows) see i have a package manager

yeah i run linux (wsl) and have a package manager on both

steady pelican Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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jk

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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its probably the fact xf is like over 10 years old

buoyant viper Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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steady pelican bro why can't websites just make a fucking button "delete my account" ?

https://justdeleteme.xyz

JustDeleteMe

A directory of direct links to delete your account from web services.

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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would look like this probably

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with some messages

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 PM

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topaz cape ill just add an option to disallow Unix-Based connections

if getAddress throws an error , it's a unix connection

steady pelican Jan 20, 2024, 12:02 PM

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buoyant viper https://justdeleteme.xyz

yeah some websites has a link

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but not all

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 12:02 PM

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eternal oxide if getAddress throws an error , it's a unix connection

thats kinda exactly what this does

topaz cape Jan 20, 2024, 12:02 PM

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topaz cape would look like this probably

.

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 12:36 PM

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I’m making a private system in chunks, the principle of operation is:
the player creates a city through a command, I start private from this chunk by chunk, I made a system for expanding private, but there is a very main problem, how to save it all, so that the next time you turn it on, everything loads stably, because this is an entity. I came to the conclusion that with EntitiesLoadEvent, I create a CityChunk for each chunk, and in it I create entities that are stored in the pdc of the chunk (if side == true - create a wall). The problem is that it does not restore correctly, can you give me some advice? What if we can somehow avoid creating entities every time? Initially, I wanted to save the UUID entity in the pdc, and then turn on/off their visibility, but they were always null

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 12:38 PM

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does anyone happen to have a reliable Player#isOnGround() alternative

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isonground is deprecated because its client defined

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 12:40 PM

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ocean hollow I’m making a private system in chunks, the principle of operation is: the player...

even if I think about it and decide to abandon the entity, I will still need each chunk when creating CityChunk, which doesn’t seem very cool to me. I don’t think Towny/Kingdoms did this

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:41 PM

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Towny maintains it's own database

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 12:41 PM

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???

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:41 PM

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nothing is in the world for Towny

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 12:41 PM

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Are the coordinates of chunks stored in the database?

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:42 PM

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yes

ocean hollow Jan 20, 2024, 12:43 PM

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that is, I won’t be able to come to such a system if I have entities?

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:48 PM

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I want to store a string in an item using NBT. but I didn't find much info about it. can anyone help me?

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 12:48 PM

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PersistentDataContainer is what you're looking for

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assuming you're using 1.14+

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:48 PM

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yup

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 12:49 PM

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?pdc

undone axleBOT Jan 20, 2024, 12:49 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-guide-to-1-14-persistentdataholder-api.371200/

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:50 PM

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got this

if (meta != null && meta.getPersistentDataContainer().has(new NamespacedKey(Wamasterv3.plugin, "command"), PersistentDataType.STRING)) {
            String valeurCommande = meta.getPersistentDataContainer().get(new NamespacedKey(Wamasterv3.plugin, "command"), PersistentDataType.STRING);
            Bukkit.broadcastMessage("La valeur de la balise 'command' est : " + valeurCommande);
        } else {
            Bukkit.broadcastMessage("L'ItemStack ne contient pas la balise 'command' ou la valeur est null.");
        }

but i can't get the plugin to give me the string, its always null

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 12:50 PM

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how are you setting it ?

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 12:50 PM

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first you should define the namespacedkey separately and not make a new one every time you're accessing the pdc

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and yeah how are you setting the value to the item

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 12:52 PM

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eternal night how are you setting it ?

/give @s minecraft:ladder{command:"String"}

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 12:53 PM

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that isnt how pdc looks like

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 12:54 PM

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pdc isn't custom NBT

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 12:54 PM

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i dont remember what it exactly is but its like PersistentBukkitValues {k:v}

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 12:55 PM

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Yea but like, just code in spawning this via your plugin

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 12:55 PM

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^^

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its much easier and you dont have to deal with any version change jank

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:08 PM

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sullen wharf and horrible readibility

hm idk maybe you just need glasses

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can you give me an example of what exactly you cannot read?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:09 PM

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sullen marlin The value doesn’t do anything though

redstone output

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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eternal night ```kt tasks.withType<JavaCompile> { options.encoding = Charsets.UTF_8.na...

is still this still required? 🥲

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why is this not just the default

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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I mean, it uses the system default

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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ah that explains why I only have to change it on windows

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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xD

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Yea, if you run hot garbage for an OS, that tends to happen

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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yeah but tbf why does gradle not use UTF8 by default?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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it's about "reproducible builds" and stuff and hence should not even take a look at what's the systems default

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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hence why you specify it

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o.o

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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yeah sure but it could also just use utf8 as default if not specified

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maven has the same stupid problem

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:12 PM

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If you need it to be utf 8 specifying it as such is a good idea

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like, if you need java 17 to compile, you define it too

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:12 PM

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yeah but imagine a life where utf8 is considered the default because why not

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:12 PM

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Yea would be nice xD

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but like, then you argue for utf 16

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or something

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and yea

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its a never ending escalation with the "make something the default"

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:13 PM

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as long as the default is not windows-bullshit, I'm good lol

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:13 PM

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Like, e.g. eastern asian chars are a lot better in utf 16

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so arriving at the "best" default is just, kinda hard

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idk what the fuck windows does tho

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like, the fuck is CP1250

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:15 PM

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im seeing that it's possible to use PlayerStatisticIncrementEvent with Statistic.JUMP to effectively make a playerjumpevent happen, is there any reason I should avoid using that? like is it maybe also defined by the client or something

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:15 PM

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Well, statistic increment event is rather hot

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:16 PM

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💦

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what does that mean lol

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:16 PM

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but yea, probably would work

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like, it is called a lot

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:16 PM

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the alternative would be PlayerMoveEvent though, yeah?

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which is also pretty hot

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:17 PM

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Yea

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I mean, statistic is fine ™️

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technically you can hack around with EntityExhaustionEvent

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:18 PM

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also works yeah

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reckon thats a bit less hot than a statistic event

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:18 PM

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Yea xD

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actually

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probably not lol

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kekwhyper

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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are you serious

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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I presume it is also called for like

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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this is calculated by the CENTIMETER

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BROTHER

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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kekwhyper

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yesss

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:20 PM

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hushed spindle im seeing that it's possible to use PlayerStatisticIncrementEvent with Statistic...

if you just return if the statistic is not JUMP, it's fine

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:20 PM

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little bit overkill I WOULD THINK

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very important to have the 1cm precision

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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Yea I mean, complain to mojang xD

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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I use this to detect jumps: https://github.com/mfnalex/JeffLib/blob/master/core/src/main/java/com/jeff_media/jefflib/events/PlayerJumpEvent.java

And if on paper, it uses this instead: https://github.com/mfnalex/JeffLib/blob/master/paper-hacks/src/main/java/com/jeff_media/jefflib/events/PaperPlayerJumpEventListener.java

GitHub

JeffLib/core/src/main/java/com/jeff_media/jefflib/events/PlayerJump...

Avoid writing the same code over and over again - use JeffLib for your Spigot plugins! - mfnalex/JeffLib

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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Yea, stat even probably is fine xD

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or yea, on paper, the respetive event

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with that said tho, the onGround stuff is kinda meh

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it is client controlled, so hack clients can cheat around there

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:22 PM

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is there some way i can force a Player to use the Entity implementation of isOnGround though

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:23 PM

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I don't think so xD

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:23 PM

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god damn it

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:24 PM

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you can use reflection to get the method from entity and then invoke it

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        try {
            // Use reflection to get the isOnGround method from the Entity class
            Method method = Entity.class.getDeclaredMethod("isOnGround");

            // Invoke the method on the Player object
            boolean result = (boolean) method.invoke(player);

        } catch (NoSuchMethodException | IllegalAccessException | InvocationTargetException e) {
            e.printStackTrace();
        }

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obviously you should cache the method instead of getting it everytime

hushed spindle Jan 20, 2024, 1:25 PM

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seems fair

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thanks man

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:32 PM

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gotta love the Scheduler interface boykisserdead

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:49 PM

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How do you ban someone infinitely, the ban function only takes in duration, instants or date and im not sure how to set these to 0

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:50 PM

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pine forge How do you ban someone infinitely, the ban function only takes in duration, inst...

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/BanList.html#addBan(T,java.lang.String,java.util.Date,java.lang.String)

BanList (Spigot-API 1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit, interface: BanList

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Okay is that the same thing for thje Player#ban function then?

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just nullify it?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:51 PM

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yep

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Everything is nullable besides the player

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:51 PM

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okay thanks 👍

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 1:51 PM

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river oracle Everything is nullable besides the player

and CMarco's opinion of himself

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:52 PM

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hmm

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 PM

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Cast the null to date or instant

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 PM

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nice, that worked

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lol

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didnt know you could cast nulls

shadow night Jan 20, 2024, 1:53 PM

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(Date) null
You have a date with nothing

pine forge Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 PM

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schnitzel

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yum

kindred valley Jan 20, 2024, 1:54 PM

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Isnt there any way to make a block unique without db

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 PM

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?blockpdc

undone axleBOT Jan 20, 2024, 1:55 PM

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Learn about CustomBlockData here:
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/custom-block-data-persistentdatacontainer-for-blocks.512422/

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 1:58 PM

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how do I get the amount of experience that will fall from the ore?

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 PM

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given that value is random and computed on break

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not much to do

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 1:59 PM

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Isn’t it available in the break event

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 PM

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ye

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 PM

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https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/block/BlockExpEvent.html#getExpToDrop()

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 PM

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day 2 of me trying to get libs working

eternal night Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 PM

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but like, that is reactive. I read their message as a proactive "how much would that drop"

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:00 PM

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eternal oxide <https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/block/BlockExpEvent.h...

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 PM

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tender shard day 2 of me trying to get libs working

IT ACTUALLY WORKS OMG

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:01 PM

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tender shard day 2 of me trying to get libs working

thanks matt from helpchat!

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 PM

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Hey that rhymes

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 2:02 PM

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not allowed

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:03 PM

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young knoll Hey that rhymes

gradle rhymes with pain

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 PM

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pure stag

Do you have any ideas how this can be implemented?

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:04 PM

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pure stag Do you have any ideas how this can be implemented?

what exactly?

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the amount of XP the block would have dropped?

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM

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how do I get experience from the block? Maybe there is some interface to which I need to instanceof?

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM

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tender shard the amount of XP the block would have dropped?

yes

river oracle Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM

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tender shard the amount of XP the block would have dropped?

Wouldn't you need a Map for this

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM

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hm I don't think you can get the vanilla XP amount for blocks

young knoll Jan 20, 2024, 2:05 PM

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You could mark the block and then listen for the break event

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And then callback after the event

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:06 PM

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hm

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:13 PM

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young knoll And then callback after the event

will you call me on my birthday coll

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will you be my callboi?

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it's on 22nd feb btw

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:14 PM

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I'll call you. I don't believe it's the 22nd. I think you are lying.

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:15 PM

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oooh

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that's what you're saying, aha

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yeah well

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joke's on you then

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Eat this @eternal oxide

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:17 PM

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faked 😛

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:17 PM

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uuugh D:

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yeah anyway, I don't care as long as I get my soup

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:18 PM

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Soup? I can send you soup, but it may be cold by the time it gets there, and spilled

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:22 PM

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Wrong channel mfnalex

rotund ravine Jan 20, 2024, 2:23 PM

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tender shard Eat this <@554021111231283200>

Not sure ur supposed the share the passport number

remote swallow Jan 20, 2024, 2:24 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-mine-gif-3543068

Tenor

Mine! finding nemo

▶ Play video

eternal oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:26 PM

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I was going to comment I would CSI magnify the reflection on his thumb to get the number. Then I realized he hadn't covered it up.

civic sluice Jan 20, 2024, 2:38 PM

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tender shard Eat this <@554021111231283200>

Cutting the MRZ .

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:40 PM

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is there a way to change console_sender to command_block_sender (like a fake command block)?

Bukkit.dispatchCommand(Bukkit.getConsoleSender(),cmd);```

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:47 PM

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pure stag

xd

minor junco Jan 20, 2024, 2:49 PM

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pure stag xd

@ivory sleet need you help here, wouldn't it be smarter to just use a hashmap? I mean EnumMap allocates an array based off of the size of the Material enumeration, which is huge considering how many enum fields there are. So only having a couple ores there wouldn't make much sense no? It's like allocating a huge buffer, from which you only use 10 or so fields

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:49 PM

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hollow oxide is there a way to change console_sender to command_block_sender (like a fake com...

could probably use CommandSender#sendMessage("/mycommand"

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:50 PM

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minor junco <@299969655915806741> need you help here, wouldn't it be smarter to just use a h...

what is hash, what is enum, in my case there is no difference

hollow oxide Jan 20, 2024, 2:51 PM

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tender shard could probably use CommandSender#sendMessage("/mycommand"

?

minor junco Jan 20, 2024, 2:51 PM

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pure stag what is hash, what is enum, in my case there is no difference

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:51 PM

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pure stag xd

why not just store a Map<Material, int[]> or sth

minor junco Jan 20, 2024, 2:51 PM

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tender shard why not just store a Map<Material, int[]> or sth

tbh i like the functional approach more

echo basalt Jan 20, 2024, 2:52 PM

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whys he using a function if he never passes the thing

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make it a supplier instead

minor junco Jan 20, 2024, 2:52 PM

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I think for future extension no?

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I mean yeah true lol

pure stag Jan 20, 2024, 2:52 PM

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tender shard why not just store a Map<Material, int[]> or sth

ThreadLocalRandom allows you to transfer the LED to itself in order to reproduce the entire random from the beginning, which allows you to sort out some problems, and the array will not be very good

tender shard Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 PM

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pure stag ThreadLocalRandom allows you to transfer the LED to itself in order to reproduce...

the array was meant to be used just for min and max value

icy beacon Jan 20, 2024, 2:53 PM

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tender shard it's on 22nd feb btw

Is it???

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Holy shit