help-development

[worldly ingot]

The ones that accept a BaseComponent are under the Spigot subclass

[young knoll]

Could we move them? yes

Will we? idk

[hybrid turret]

ahhhhh

i see, thanks

[young knoll]

Sadly when we have getters for components those will have to be under the spigot subclass

[worldly ingot]

Fuck. Remind me to test that

It's done I just need to test lol

[young knoll]

getName(Type.COMPONENT)

100% not ugly

[worldly ingot]

[hybrid turret]

not important logically but there's a semicolon in front of .create ^^'

[worldly ingot]

oop

I uh... I was just testing you

[young knoll]

Why can't java just handle identical methods with different return types smh

[quaint mantle]

just a quick question is there anything in bukkit.yml or spigot.yml that could not allow to interaction between blocks or placement of them?

also hi choco

[hybrid turret]

haha yeaaaa makes sense

[lilac dagger]

getNameComponent is also an idea, but def still ugly

[worldly ingot]

Already went through different options and nesting under spigot() just made the most sense

[young knoll]

blahhh

[junior geyser]

Is it true new 1.20.2 builds use Mojang mappings for fields and stuff???

Instead of the obfuscated ones

[worldly ingot]

No

Was a bug

[eternal oxide]

no its a bug

[junior geyser]

Ah okay

Cause TAB added support for them, and I thought I would have too 😂

Guess they did not realize it was a bug

[worldly ingot]

Yeah they're going to realize pretty quick that it was a mistake. Things will start breaking

[lilac dagger]

All good things things come to an end 😦

[junior geyser]

Yeah I was excited for a min

[grim hound]

Yo. So, I need a map that stores my custom user class with the UUID of a bukkit's Player. However I iterate through it asynchronously, so HashMap cannot be used. I've used ConcurrentHashMap so far, but I think I could make it work with the IdentityHashMap. The only problem: it does not support async iteration. So I came up with a class of my own. I need someone to evaluate it's efficiency for me. Please https://paste.md-5.net/aferomacoj.java

pay no mind to the forEach methods, as they're only used on disable

And I don't necessarily mean computer evaluation

[young knoll]

When you look into an old PR

And some links are dead :c

[river oracle]

:( feelz

[prime reef]

you could always just profile it

[lilac dagger]

Uuids shouldn't be used as keys in identity maps

[prime reef]

are UUIDs mutable or something?

[lilac dagger]

No

The uuid of the player wouldn't match the one you pulled from a db

They'll be different objects

Only .equals can prove their equality

[prime reef]

i think i'm missing something here

what db?

[lilac dagger]

It was an example

player.getUniqueId() == UUID.fromName would not work

[prime reef]

ah, that

that's not usually a use case I run across tbh

[kind hatch]

IdentityHashMap uses reference equality instead of object equality. Meaning, IdentityHashMap#equals() is actually using == instead of a proper implementation.
Hence, you shouldn't use UUIDs as the keys.

This is intentional btw.

[lilac dagger]

If you hold a cache of uuid as key in a identity map over player rejoining, the same bug would surface

[grim hound]

I know that

I should've speficied: it only holds uuids of online players and only checks it by Player#getUniqueId

No other uuid is in play

[lilac dagger]

Then it should be fine

[grim hound]

But is it objectively faster than ConcurrentHashMap?

For sync modifications and async iteration (only value read)

[lilac dagger]

I don't think so

[grim hound]

Fair Ig

[lilac dagger]

If you look into the equals of uuid, it's pretty simple

[grim hound]

Identity equality is still faster

And with greater number of comparisons it can become visible

[lilac dagger]

Yes, but i don't think by much

Pretty sure some other part of the code will show problems sooner than this one

[grim hound]

Wdym?

[hybrid turret]

Can I check in an enhanced for loop (i hope that's the right term) if i'm at the last position of the Set i'm going through?

[grim hound]

It's possible

Maybe not ideal

But very much possible

[lilac dagger]

I mean the lag will show in other parts sooner than performance from checking

[grim hound]

Hmm I see

This can become like a quote

[smoky oak]

if i want to check if a player's velocity is not null and nothing else, am i required to use the length() method? Doesn't vector have a lengthSquared method for faster math?

nevermind it has

im blind

[hybrid turret]

For reference: I want to list the operators. So I iterrate through Bukkit.getOperators() and append , between each. I just don't want a comma at the end.

[grim hound]

I see

Get the Set#size

Add to "int index = 0" 1 After each iteration

[lilac dagger]

StringJoiner is pretty cool

[grim hound]

And check index == size - 1

[opaque hawk]

pls if u can check #help-server

[grim hound]

StringBuilder for the win

[hybrid turret]

-1?? huh?

How can the size be negative?

oh

lmao

i'm dumb as hell

HAHAHAHA

[lilac dagger]

It starts from 0

[grim hound]

Happens

[hybrid turret]

it's late for me lol

[lilac dagger]

Size at 0 means empty

[grim hound]

He understood

[hybrid turret]

yea i know

[hybrid turret]

i was gonna say, what the hell is StringJoiner, I only know StringBuilder

[grim hound]

I never really used StringJoiner, but it's probably like array toString formatting class

[hybrid turret]

Okay the regular for-loop was already a thing i tried, but i gave up bc i was to stupid to get the player using an index lol

idek why i don't know stuff like that. i've been coding for years lmao

If I have a UUID as a String, can I convert that to UUID? (fromString tells me the String is too large)

[ivory sleet]

StringJoiner is pretty much faster for joining strings with a delimeter than StringBuilder always will be

since it calls JLA under the hood

Which does some cool stuff

[covert yacht]

Hi ! For some reason the skin is not applied, it is applied when i set my uuid in there but not when i use any other uuid. I check the method getSkinFromUUID and it returns the correct data

I am sure that the uuid from the config file is correct

Yes i know 1.8.8 is old 😅

https://paste.md-5.net/dayilonali.js

[grim hound]

I dunno what to tell you

It must be an invalid uuid string then

[grim hound]

You need

Like a refresh

[smoky oak]

why doesnt this work?

[grim hound]

Uh

Cuz

Syntax

[kind hatch]

-- is used for decrementing

[smoky oak]

yea exactly

i want a backwards running timer that resets to full

[covert yacht]

Yeah, i saw that on some forums, i tried some things to apply the skin on my npc but none of the solutions worked for me, maybe i'm not searching in the right spot 🤔

[grim hound]

I teleported the player to another world

And back

[ivory sleet]

thats not the same as the one u sent above

[grim hound]

For the respawn packet to be sent

[smoky oak]

i put that cuz it works there

i thought assignments support pre/post increments

[covert yacht]

Oh, that kind of refresh 🤔 Weird to have to do that but i'll try thanks !

[spare prism]

any help, pls: #1156902127940153405

[ivory sleet]

yeah well they dont sadly, my theory is that it would bring some confusion if that was possible but yea

?jd-bcc

[undone axle]

https://javadoc.io/doc/net.md-5/bungeecord-chat/latest/index.html

[smoky oak]

?jd-s

[undone axle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot

[covert yacht]

I tried it and the entity just does not move or tp 😅

Also tried to delay the tp back in place but still

[grim hound]

Hmm

[covert yacht]

Do i need to do it before or after sending the packets, after i suppose

[grim hound]

After

[covert yacht]

Weird 🤔

[grim hound]

Also why is there

REMOVE_PLAYER

PacketInfo

[covert yacht]

To remove the player from the tab list

Maybe thats the issue 🤔

[grim hound]

Probably not

[covert yacht]

Maybe tping before removing the player will do the work ?

[grim hound]

Nuh

[covert yacht]

Supositions 😅

[grim hound]

My setSkin method for players

[valid burrow]

is there a way i can edit the preset for this

[grim hound]

Removed set added back and tgen teleported

[grim hound]

The what now

[novel pendant]

is there an easy way to remove a player's name from tab list without NMS or am I going to have a fun day figuring NMS out? Im looking to make a custom tab menu but player names and their ping need to go away

[covert yacht]

Almost what i did i might rework some things 🤔 Thanks for the help

[grim hound]

Player#hidePlayer

[novel pendant]

that removes them from the world altogether for other players

I mean specifically tab bar

[grim hound]

No

It sends a packet

That controls others tab visibility

[valid burrow]

the preset intj gives me

[covert yacht]

Yeah, so the player is getting tped but no skin updates 😓

[valid burrow]

for command methods

cause im tired of changing it every single time

[novel pendant]

I just tested this, its more than just tab visibility. Players do not render for other players who are told to have them hidden

[grim hound]

I have no idea what preset is

[fossil lily]

Is there a way to prevent an ItemStack object being replaced by a new on during some inventory adding? I'm trying to instanceof and it seems like it's a different object?

[valid burrow]

this thing.

[grim hound]

You sure?

[novel pendant]

yeah I just tested it

[valid burrow]

the "implement methods" automatically adds this

[prime reef]

that's

what it's supposed to do.

also, your class naming scheme is weird.

would suggest you avoid naming classes with lowercase

[grim hound]

Ah this. I have no idea. I just always either copied classes or set it by hand

[prime reef]

but yeah I don't really know what you were expecting from "implement methods", what did you want it to do?

[grim hound]

What version?

[novel pendant]

1.20.1

[grim hound]

Maybe some new changes then?

[valid burrow]

yh so do i but its super annoying xd

[prime reef]

but

[valid burrow]

well thx anyways

[prime reef]

nobody makes you do that

you can just do it by hand

[valid burrow]

just want it to hold different names for the args

[prime reef]

for future reference that's a "quick fix" or whatever IntelliJ calls it

[prime reef]

yeah there's nothing that lets you change that afaik

it's just auto-named based off of the arg types

[kind hatch]

There's a way to do it, I just don't remember how it's done in IJ atm.

[valid burrow]

arlight

[prime reef]

would recommend renaming that to CommandHelp or something btw

[kind hatch]

I think the last time I added a replacement like that was in Eclipse and it was easier than it was in IJ.

[prime reef]

as much as I like IntelliJ, it's really bad about certain things

this is one of them

straight up running projects is another

[cinder abyss]

Hello, how can I get the nms Player from bukkit Player class?

[prime reef]

or like exporting a .jar file normally without maven/etc.

[slate tinsel]

Hello! How does "org.bukkit.generator.BiomeProvider" work? Therefore I chose "forest" to avoid water and yet the whole world is kind of water. Does this have to do with the "Tempraturer"

[prime reef]

do you still need a CraftPlayer for that?

[prime reef]

a code snippet would help

you might have just done something wrong

[cinder abyss]

but CraftPlayer isn't net.minecraft.world.entity.Player?

[prime reef]

keep in mind if the chunk has already been generated, changing its biome won't do anything

[prime reef]

you can cast them

[valid burrow]

has anyone ever disigned a website to auto generate inventorys? cause if not i think ill do it

[cinder abyss]

okay thanks

[prime reef]

wym "auto generate"

[valid burrow]

like you just choose the items u want in there in like a dropdown menu or something and it writes the code for you

[kind hatch]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[prime reef]

i don't see that code actually changing generation though

[valid burrow]

@prime reef

[cinder abyss]

I don't want to pass through CraftPlayer, or maybe automatically

not importing this

I don't want to make a version for every version of Minecraft

but idk how to cast to a CraftPlayer without importing the class

I don't know how to cast the player to a CraftPlayer.class and then getting handle

[kind hatch]

Isn't that the ole ((CraftPlayer) player.getHandle())?

[cinder abyss]

okay thanks

[eternal oxide]

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[kind hatch]

Hope it doesn't break. :kek:

[eternal oxide]

to avoid versioned imports https://paste.md-5.net/ehuvixugir.java and tools https://paste.md-5.net/zudikulisi.java

[cinder abyss]

okay thanks 😄

another thing

how can I cast it please?

[cinder abyss]

exactly what I need! thanks

[kind hatch]

You don't cast, you convert. IIRC, CraftItemStack#asNMSCopy(). There's also CraftItemStack#asBukkitCopy() if you need to convert back.

[cinder abyss]

okay thanks

let's use reflection x)

[void goblet]

Hi im trying to save in an yml file the uuid and the bal (its an economy plugin) but it doesnt works

public static String getFolderPath(UUID p) { return Bukkit.getPluginsFolder(). }

IntellyJ cant find the Bukkit

[wraith apex]

plugin folder is not a thing

I think you're looking for the data folder for your plugin in /plugins/

[void goblet]

ye

[wraith apex]

That method can be found in your main plugin class

[void goblet]

How can i create the folder from onEnable and then access it aswell?

[wraith apex]

whatever is extending JavaPlugin

getDataFolder()

the folder is created automatically

if it doesn't already exist

[void goblet]

wait cant understand .-.

[severe folio]

Iirc, it is not, you need to create it or it will be created when you saveDefaultConfig/options.copyDefaults

[wraith apex]

public class MyPlugin extends JavaPlugin
{
        @Override
    public void onEnable()
    {
        // This is your plugin folder
        File pluginDirectory = this.getDataFolder();
    }
}

[void goblet]

oh ok

wait lemme try

[wraith apex]

naw spigot creates this folder when the plugin gets initialised

you don't have to manually create it

(If you attempt to write something to the directory)

[void goblet]

im creating a class wicht returns the plugin path

like: path + /player/ + UUID

how can i do this

[severe folio]

Not according to the official source repo

[wraith apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've never had to

[void goblet]

. 😦

[severe folio]

Returns the folder that the plugin data's files are located in. The folder may not yet exist.

[wraith apex]

I'm confused, can you elaborate?

[wraith apex]

You can read all the documenation you want. When I run my plugin the folder is auto-created when I write to it

[void goblet]

lemme reformulate the question

[eternal oxide]

it doesn't, not unless you call saveDefaultConfig() or save on teh config

[wraith apex]

Can you elaborate?

[wraith apex]

You didn't read my entire message

[eternal oxide]

I did

it only creates it on saving teh config, not on saving anything

[void goblet]

Want to create a class wicht gives me the path of a yml file allocated on (pluginfolder + player + UUID)

But how can firstly get the plugin folder path if it might not exist

[wraith apex]

So /plugins/YourPlugin/itz_Abu/caabc402-657c-462d-bf2e-9ae139cacd69/ ?

[eternal oxide]

Plugin#getDataFolder()

[void goblet]

ye but on itz_AbU its just player

[void goblet]

wont work

[wraith apex]

you said (pluginfolder + player + UUID)

I'm not sure what you want

[eternal oxide]

you can do new File(plugin.getDatafolser(), "player")

[void goblet]

its pluginfolder + "player" + UUID

[kind hatch]

No wonder it doesn't work.

[void goblet]

uhm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjfnfGghLuw&list=TLPQMjgwOTIwMjNT1zTjUy4Trg&index=2 im following this tutorial bruh and there i t works .-.

[kind hatch]

You can't append extra strings to a file path unless that path exists.

[void goblet]

min: 5:20

[eternal oxide]

or evenjava File players = new File(plugin.getDatafolser(), "players"); players.mkdirs(); File id = new Folder(players, uuid.toString() + ".yml");

[kind hatch]

File file = new File(plugin.getDataFolder(), "path/to/your/file.extension")

[eternal oxide]

id will be the handle to your new file, if you create it

[void goblet]

wait, how can i save a hashmap<UUID , double> in a yml

its easier

[eternal oxide]

FileConfiguration yourConfig = new FileConfiguration();
yourConfig.set("MAP", yourHashMap);```

or YAMLConfiguration, I forget which it is

[severe folio]

Since when can you call new FileConfiguration and not YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(file)

[eternal oxide]

then using the code above you can yourConfig.save(id);

[void goblet]

for check on join event if the player has his own line?

How can i check if a UUID is already in there

[kind hatch]

You got it right.

[wraith apex]

I've just done a test to verify that claim. It's wrong. The folder is auto-created when you write to it

[eternal oxide]

what and how are you writing?

[wraith apex]

literally writing an empty txt file

[void goblet]

i`ll just go to sleep .-. im getting crazy... Thanks for the help bye

[eternal oxide]

using what code?

[severe folio]

Show code I'd like to see this.

[wraith apex]

@Override
public void onEnable()
{
    String s = this.getDataFolder().getAbsolutePath() + File.separator + "doc.txt";
    Files.createFile(Path.of(s));
}

[eternal oxide]

folders are only created by Bukkit when using the Config

[wraith apex]

apparently not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I am curious if someone can replicate this result

[eternal oxide]

testign now

[warm mica]

Then the best solution is to avoid NMS as much as possible

[wraith apex]

Oh fuck

I've made a mistake

[eternal oxide]

my bet you are also saving a config

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-fran-healy-walking-it-back-walk-it-back-take-it-back-gif-27380042

[eternal oxide]

🙂

[wraith apex]

nope

[warm mica]

You may also just do new File(getDataFolder(), "doc.txt");

[wraith apex]

You are correct though

I am wrong

my bad

I have other infrastructure that auto-creates folders and files

[eternal oxide]

yeah I just checked it here. no folder created 🙂

[wraith apex]

Yeah yeah my bad

I guess I've just expected it because of my infrastructure

honestly kind of nuts spigot doesn't do this for ya

[eternal oxide]

its kinda not upto Spigot at that point as you are not using its API

[wraith apex]

I meant more as a QOL thing

[warm mica]

yup and it's not really a huge effort

[wraith apex]

just to create the plugin folder if it doesn't exist

i'm being a tad lazy but eh

[warm mica]

it'd be more pain if you don't want a plugin folder

[wraith apex]

I just thought it only created it if you attempted to write to it

if you don't write to it nothing should happen

[warm mica]

oh, that's just how file io stuff generally works

[wraith apex]

seems only if you mess with config saving or have infrastructure in place to auto-create folders on the fly does it appear

[wraith apex]

clearly not here lol

[opaque scarab]

Is there a way to copy and simulate an instance of a chunk, without affecting the original?

[prime reef]

this is why i wrote a config library lmao

[quiet ice]

There are chunk snapshots but that is about it. You'd need dedicated tooling that I am not sure already exists

[small current]

this gif triggered my ptsd

[prime reef]

What do you mean simulate?

I could probably help, breaking shit is my specialty

[small current]

broke both my hands running it back

[wraith apex]

o k

[wraith apex]

that is the definition of copy, you just copy the blocks to some other chunk

[quiet ice]

They most likely mean taking a virtual snapshot rather than copying the "physical" blocks

[prime reef]

it's the simulate part I'm concerned about

[wraith apex]

then what's the simulate part about?

this doesn't sound like a backup system

[quiet ice]

Most likely referrs to a virtual dimension

Why that is needed - god knows

[prime reef]

I don't think it goes that far tbh

but let's see what the op has to say LMAO

[quiet ice]

Could also be a simple computation on the chunk (grow all trees, remove ores, whatever) but without them responding it is anyone's guess

[echo basalt]

Did you run buildtools?

And also the remapped variant?

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[prime reef]

oh shit

I didn't know what nms mappings actually were until I figured I'd check just now

that's cool

[echo basalt]

yeah lets you read nms

which means it's not fun anymore

good ol' 1.12 days where I memorized all the nitty gritty a() methods and what they did

and I could just guess based on the order of operations

[young knoll]

You sound like the boomers that complain kids have it too easy these days

[kind hatch]

Back in my day, we didn't have these fancy mappings or persistent data containers.

[wraith apex]

Back in my day we had to reverse engineer everything

[young knoll]

Back in my day we didn’t have integers!

[wraith apex]

Back in my day we didn't have letters!

[echo basalt]

except I'm prob the youngest one here

[kind hatch]

Age check

[ivory sleet]

Actually lol

[echo basalt]

mm no conclube has always been lurking

[wraith apex]

Age pls

A/S/L

[ivory sleet]

Haha na just for some mere secs

[thin iris]

how old

[echo basalt]

judging by the pfp I lost the argument

[orchid gazelle]

No

[young knoll]

Discord admins watching with interest:

[thin iris]

what 😭

[wraith apex]

you 12?

[young knoll]

His about me says 25/9/23

So he is 3 days old

[thin iris]

thats the day my best friend died

[hazy parrot]

Why would you have that in discord bio

[thin iris]

why not ?

[glad prawn]

never forget 🤑

[quiet ice]

You alrighty, spigot?

[quaint mantle]

Why does 1.20.2 doesn't contain CraftWorld anymore?

I'm using <artifactId>spigot</artifactId>

After compiling with BuildTools

[quiet ice]

Are you using the mojmapped jar?

[quaint mantle]

I think so

I used the GUI you guys are working on

[quiet ice]

Eh that was a dum question anyways since that is CB

?stash

[undone axle]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/

[quaint mantle]

I turned on the remapped option through the options window

[quiet ice]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/craftbukkit/CraftWorld.java it still exists

Are you using the right import?

[quaint mantle]

You are right

v1_20_R1 -> v1_20_R2

[quiet ice]

Otherwise - invalidate sources and restart your IDE

[upper hazel]

There is such a tedious thing in creating a plugin as loading data from configs. You have to do everything manually (it can take 200 lines in ONE class ) and still worry about these names. Does anyone have a specific system for loading configs + error protection?

class or something else for check errors

i have but it is intended for certain configs in a certain plugin and not for all

so far I have something like this https://paste.md-5.net/fayajibova.cs

cuse confortable in this setuation

do you not like this?

i too but in this moment

yes

enums?

you can just see "new"

end next class

but yes this not so confortable

you use enums for check error type?

[upper hazel]

i dont remember were find antivirus for plugins

one persone say it

he use it

[severe folio]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/spigot-anti-malware.64982/ this?

[upper hazel]

lol no this is in github

a wait

yes

haahah

i dont was think this exists in SpigotMC

[severe folio]

Fair enough

[lost matrix]

Here is something that only generates plains:

public class CustomBiomeProvider extends BiomeProvider {

  @Override
  public Biome getBiome(WorldInfo worldInfo, int x, int y, int z) {
    return Biome.PLAINS;
  }

  @Override
  public List<Biome> getBiomes(WorldInfo worldInfo) {
    return List.of(Biome.PLAINS);
  }

}

  private void generateNoOceanWorld() {
    WorldCreator creator = new WorldCreator(NO_OCEAN_WORLD);
    CustomBiomeProvider customBiomeProvider = new CustomBiomeProvider();
    creator.biomeProvider(customBiomeProvider);
    creator.createWorld();
  }

@slate tinsel

[grim hound]

How could I hook myself to be able to intercept even the handshake packet?

[slate tinsel]

Thanks! 🙂

[nova jasper]

Does anyone know what aternos plugin add effect to item and that effect still working when put item in inventory help me pls

[grim hound]

No fucking shit

[cinder abyss]

Hello how can I get the amount of durability the mending enchantment will repair, on average, per point of experience?

[wraith apex]

Read wiki

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Mending

[pseudo hazel]

aka 2

[cinder abyss]

thanks

[young knoll]

A player?

[hushed scaffold]

Resource packs

Dont think so

🤷

Just use resource packs at that point

[young knoll]

Honestly I think the closest is just the default pose

[quaint mantle]

https://ibb.co/gZmp4jj

hello everyone does anyyonee know how to fix this ?

[young knoll]

Are you already connected to the proxy

[quaint mantle]

na

cracked also

[echo basalt]

oh fuck no

[young knoll]

http://offlinemo.de

[slate tinsel]

It seems to work, but plains contain large oceans. Actually they were the ones I wanted to disappear, can it be solved?

[young knoll]

Biomes no longer determine the terrain

Terrain determines the biome

[void mason]

why

[young knoll]

Even if you force the only biome to be plains, areas below sea level will still be filled with water

[quaint mantle]

iran

[void mason]

What about it?

[quaint mantle]

restricstionsa

sorry for bad english

[void mason]

You can't pay money in iran?

[quaint mantle]

na

we cant play mine

we dont have xbox live here

its filterd

[void mason]

use a vpn to log-in

can't you do that?

[young knoll]

Rewrite the terrain generation

[quaint mantle]

nope

cant

[echo basalt]

cap

[void mason]

is iran part of north korea?

[slate tinsel]

Is there an easy way to do it or do you have to keep using nms then?

[lost matrix]

Sure. But this has nothing to do with the oceans. Those bodies of water will still be of type plains.

[quaint mantle]

ok

that cap

wait

[young knoll]

You can probably use a datapack to remove dips below sea level

Idk a ton about the datapack worldgen

[echo basalt]

bros literally got an xbox account linked to his profile

[quaint mantle]

so

thats from 2016

thats when it was not filterd

[echo basalt]

looks like piracy to me

[void mason]

🏴‍☠️

[slate tinsel]

Okay, so guess it's not that easy to do then?

[void mason]

@echo basalt i think he is not the only pirate

the entire nation pirates the game

[quaint mantle]

Yeah

XD

ok i have TL

[void mason]

so no one can create an online-mode server there and get players

[slate tinsel]

Therefore, I prefer not to mix data packs into my plugin

[lost matrix]

You can do pretty much all of it using the spigot API.
But writing your own terrain generator is an absolute mammoth task.

[quaint mantle]

Play.TrexMine.ir

play it

its an iranian server

with cracked

[lost matrix]

Let me guess. 1.8

[void mason]

its 1.20

[echo basalt]

1gb ram

[void mason]

and it got 1.5k players currently

woah

[quaint mantle]

yeah

cracked servers here are popin

[quaint mantle]

yeah

[void mason]

its .com actually and not .ir

[quaint mantle]

:|

messed up the op

ip

[void mason]

this server looks good ngl

no way

[quaint mantle]

thats not the point

so how to fix my server

[void mason]

what was the issue again?

i kinda get your situation

[quaint mantle]

wait

https://ibb.co/gZmp4jj

[void mason]

what is the output of /glist

[quaint mantle]

what ????????????????????????????????????

[quaint mantle]

its a bungee server

[void mason]

execute /glist in your console

[quaint mantle]

k

[void mason]

and send me the output

also #help-server

[quaint mantle]

bungee or server s?

[void mason]

lets continue it here

on your proxy

[quaint mantle]

.

bungee console

?

[lost matrix]

Change the port of your lobby server. It should not be the same as your proxies port

[pastel juniper]

I want to make custom elytra is there a way to change it's entity model or texture???

[chrome beacon]

Not without mods

[pastel juniper]

Thanks

[young knoll]

you can retexture the item easily

The model less so

Maybe with core shader magic

[lost matrix]

Sadly armor models can still not be changed using the modelid

[chrome beacon]

Yeah shaders would be your best option

You can do some cool stuff with it

[young knoll]

I know shaders can handle armor

So they can probably handle elytra

[chrome beacon]

probably

[burnt sand]

Why is this https://hastebin.com/share/dudilawoyu.java
Giving: this java.sql.SQLException: After end of result set

[lost matrix]

double plotpricee = Double.parseDouble(null);

What?

[wraith apex]

lol

[burnt sand]

?

Double.parseDouble(null) works

[wraith apex]

what's the entire stack trace?

[eternal oxide]

you use rs when you test rs12

you are quierying an earlier result set

[lost matrix]

You can as well just not do that...

[wraith apex]

Not enough code and no stack trace to be able to figure out why

[eternal oxide]

Use the correct ResultSet

[lost matrix]

Its already figured out

[burnt sand]

Omg i didnt see that

Thankyou haha

[wraith apex]

rs is not declared anywhere

¯_(ツ)_/¯

only making the assumption it's another resultset

[eternal oxide]

his error says he quieried beyond the last entry so it is defined earlier

[wraith apex]

exception could of occured on executeQuery()

[eternal oxide]

it would also not compile if rs was not defined

thats not his error

[wraith apex]

well yeah, I'm just saying his code doesn't show where

[wet breach]

it does

know your exceptions and what throws what 😉

[wraith apex]

no it does not. You're not adding anything to a long dead conversation

[wet breach]

it does not for you, big difference here

[eternal oxide]

^

[wraith apex]

Point to me in the code where 'rs' is defined

[eternal oxide]

I didn;t "guess", the error and the code he provided gave all the info to diagnose.

[wet breach]

the exception points out the incorrect result set being used as ElgarL pointed out

[wraith apex]

You're missing my point

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet breach]

probably, but mine was that while you don't see anything, doesn't mean others don't or can't know

[shadow night]

So, I thought of making an api for my plugin that would work with typescript/javascript, but idk how I could

1. Execute the script
2. Share info between the server/plugin and the script
   Anybody got suggestions?

[wraith apex]

Your words alone, not mine 😉

[wet breach]

you would need to shade a javascript engine

[echo basalt]

I've done that before

I don't remember shading js tho

but the jar was like 14mb

lemme decompile

[shadow night]

What javascript engine would you recomend and is there a way to run typescript?

[wet breach]

because a few years ago the JDK had nashorn but oracle discontinued it

[young knoll]

Oh boy another scripting Lang

[echo basalt]

yeh

[young knoll]

Tbf I’m sure a JavaScript spigot bridge already exists

[wet breach]

bride?

I didn't know there was a suitor for spigot

[echo basalt]

now kiss

[young knoll]

It’s about time spigot got married

It’s like 12 or something

[shadow night]

Well, that's young

[worldly ingot]

It does. I've used one

It was private and proprietary, but they exist for sure

Do not recommend

[young knoll]

There’s a public python one

There must be a public js one

[echo basalt]

think we used it at work to like run scripts on dungeons

[shadow night]

Python is awful imo

[worldly ingot]

Yeah but that uses the plugin loader API which is sensical

[wraith apex]

python is garbage

[echo basalt]

we'd just slap a @script@ one

and it'd run one.js

[worldly ingot]

Anyways if you want to expose some API via JavaScript you can do that, you'll just need a JavaScript engine. Probably Graal

PAPI already does this

[shadow night]

I'll see if I am able to understand anything

[worldly ingot]

So you could use them as an example

[young knoll]

You could probably expose the api to any language if you’re brave enough

[worldly ingot]

https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/Javascript-Expansion

[wet breach]

https://tenor.com/view/i-applaud-your-courage-hugh-grant-st-clair-bayfield-meryl-streep-florence-foster-jenkins-gif-19198762

[shadow night]

Java in c in c++ in spigot

[echo basalt]

ASM interpreter in java

because fuck you

[young knoll]

Idk if any languages would really be useful

But you could do it

[shadow night]

Imagine if we could show html to clients

[young knoll]

Js and python kinda work because they are fairly common scripting languages

Anything else probably has no real use

[river oracle]

I like how I still don't understand how this would be possible

[shadow night]

How common is typescript?

[young knoll]

Uhh

Less than JavaScript

[echo basalt]

ppl angry at typescript now

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young knoll]

Oh okay time for a new one

[shadow night]

What happened, I discovered it just recently

[young knoll]

TypedScript

Probably a packet

[wet breach]

its common in other languages

its just not as publicly visible as something like javascript

[golden turret]

I am getting the Velocity#length() each tick and I found out that even if I am stopped the returned value is 0.08. Where is this located in the nms?

[wet breach]

its just like F#

its not as publicly visible as say C#

but F# is indeed used a lot

F# incidently is another programming language from MS

[golden turret]

actually, the y is -0.0784000015258789

[young knoll]

Gravity

Basically

[wet breach]

there is gravity and drag

as well as weight

[golden turret]

yes, but where is this coded?

[wet breach]

need to look into the non-used NMS stuff

so you are going to have to find in the buildtools directory the decompiled stuff

and then toss those classes into an IDE

spigot doesn't make use of everything or modify everything in the MC code

so there is plenty of classes that are not decompiled/used at all

[eternal oxide]

animation packet

https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Swing_Arm

[young knoll]

wiki.vg is your friend

[sterile token]

But the wiki is a Mess yo use

[young knoll]

It would be cool if the wiki had the mapping names of packets

Other than that I don’t see how it’s a mess

[eternal oxide]

wiki is basic data is all

[young knoll]

Still mapping names would be nice

Since sometimes it’s difficult to figure out what the wiki name actually matches with

[pseudo hazel]

is it hard to write a worldgenerator where the biomes are just smaller?

or like what kinda classes /api would I use for that stuff

[young knoll]

Uhh

[ivory sleet]

nms... perhaps? :o

:x

[young knoll]

You can do it with BiomeProvider in the api

But you'd have to handle the math and stuff yourself

Alternativly you can do a datapack

[pseudo hazel]

what math

you mean make like a custom biome noise map or something?

nvm ill just look at BiomeProvider, thanks

[young knoll]

pretty much

You have an x, y, z and a ton of noise values

And you pick the right biome based on that

[pseudo hazel]

I see

a lot of headaches then

thanks for pointing me in the right direction though

[glass mauve]

I am responsible of closing the InputStream of Plugin#getResource right?

[ivory sleet]

yea

[worldly ingot]

Yes but it might get automatically closed depending on where you use it. If you're calling YamlConfiguration#loadConfiguration() then it will close automatically

[glass mauve]

ok thanks

[upper hazel]

is it bad if I create many Model objects to store data for each section of the config?

the sections are just too diverse

this all specific buttons

in gui

[echo basalt]

Give an example

Also objects don't use nowhere near the amount of RAM you think they do

You'd need millions to use a few mb of ram

yikes non-standard item format

[upper hazel]

7 type buttons

DATA for buttons

[uncut folio]

i'm trying to spawn lightning on a player upon sending a specific message but i keep getting this error when trying to send the message: "Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: LightningStrikeEvent cannot be triggered asynchronously from another thread."
how do i fix it?
code:

public class ChatEvent implements Listener {
    public static HashMap<String, Boolean> wizards = new HashMap<>();
    @EventHandler
    public static void onPlayerChat(AsyncPlayerChatEvent event) {

        if (!isCustomItem(event.getPlayer().getInventory().getItemInMainHand())) return;
        if (event.getMessage().equalsIgnoreCase("i cast thunder")) {
            Player player = event.getPlayer();
            Location location = player.getLocation();
            World world = player.getWorld();
            ItemStack item = player.getInventory().getItemInMainHand();

            if (getItemId(item).equals("thunderstaff")) {
                world.strikeLightning(location);
                player.sendMessage("YOUR STAFF HAS BEEN GRANTED WITH POWER");
                wizards.put(player.getName(), true);
            }
        }
    }

}

[echo basalt]

mm that config is awful

[echo basalt]

AsyncPlayerChatEvent fires.. Async

Which means it's in another thread

[upper hazel]

wdym

[echo basalt]

You want to go back to the main thread

[wraith apex]

This is an Async Event

[echo basalt]

In another note, that's some hardcore static abuse

[uncut folio]

gotcha

[echo basalt]

And a Map<Whatever, Boolean> can be replaced with a Set<Whatever> and just use contains check

[wraith apex]

Bukkit has a rule about calling Bukkit api methods from a thread that is not the main thread

You can however use Bukkit scheduler to sync a call to the main thread

[echo basalt]

that's not what synchronized is for

you fool

[quiet ice]

As long as no fancy quad-state schenanigans are used

[echo basalt]

tristate you mean

[uncut folio]

i honestly have no idea how threads work
i started like 4 days ago

i'll look it up

[echo basalt]

uhh

I have a very shitty guide

[quiet ice]

No, quad-state: Present null, Present true, Present false, Not present

[echo basalt]

here

[upper hazel]

what better use map<item,slot> or object for save this

[uncut folio]

perfect

thanks!

[wraith apex]

think of threads like little workers working on executing certain parts of your program

there is the 'main' thread and then other worker threads

[echo basalt]

p sure that most maps don't like null vlaues

[uncut folio]

gotcha

[wraith apex]

Async means asynchronous or in otherwords out-of-sync

[quiet ice]

ConcurrentHashMap is the only implementation worth of note that doesn't like it

[wraith apex]

useful for having 1 thread deal with something that's expensive or needs rapid polling while the main thread can handle other stuff

Chat is one event that's Async

because people can send messages at anytime

[echo basalt]

[echo basalt]

More that it doesn't really interact with the server at all

And has no need to pollute the main thread

It also works when the main thread is dying

[young knoll]

Which is funny

[echo basalt]

yes

[upper hazel]

oh cool I really need to learn how to make good configs

[wraith apex]

well ye

[echo basalt]

especially when idiots say "ooh don't talk in chat it makes the lag worse"

[wraith apex]

Async chat allows people to complain about lag while the server is lagging

:P

[echo basalt]

Pretty much

Like are you going to be messing with entities while processing a chat msg?

[upper hazel]

this is true lol

[wraith apex]

further to this though

Bukkit.getScheduler().scheduleSyncDelayedTask(<Your plugin instance here>,() ->
{
    // Code here to sync to main thread
});

[echo basalt]

uhh

no

Bukkit.getScheduler().runTask(plugin, () -> {
  ...
});

[wraith apex]

I mean yeah does the same thing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[echo basalt]

but sometimes you want to use completablefutures and it's a pain

So there are like two ways of doing it

One's just making a sync(Runnable runnable) method

[wraith apex]

There are too many ways

lol

[echo basalt]

The other is just making a custom executor

[echo basalt]

welcome to programming

[wraith apex]

been here a while, love and hate it

[echo basalt]

been here for like a decade

[eternal oxide]

or callSyncMethod. so many ways

[uncut folio]

sorry i was afk lmao
thanks for the sample!

[upper hazel]

this is have better speed?

or

[young knoll]

callSyncMethod is the new(ish) fancy one

[wraith apex]

this code just schedules your api call so its executed on the main thread

[echo basalt]

ffs

premature optimization enthusiast

[uncut folio]

ah i see

[echo basalt]

Like there's no need to worry about this

[upper hazel]

i mean this is same?

just i dont undestand why this exists if bukkit has same task metod

i was think this has better speed

but ok

[young knoll]

scheduleBlahBlah all return an int

[wraith apex]

the new method?

eh

[young knoll]

Where as runTaskblahblah return BukkitTask

[echo basalt]

I like the ones with a BukkitTask consumer

but return a void :(

[eternal oxide]

also runTask was added due to the confusing naming of sync/async

[wraith apex]

oh it returns a Future

[young knoll]

And then there is callSyncMethod witch returns a future

[echo basalt]

idk why I did this

[wraith apex]

It did something similar kek

BukkitClocks :p

[ivory sleet]

isnt that just glorified bukkit task or sth lol

[wraith apex]

I think it is tbh

[echo basalt]

throwback to when I had a schedulebuilder class

[wraith apex]

The sync part confuses me though

[young knoll]

Kind of

[wraith apex]

You call a sync method and wait for a response?

[echo basalt]

new ScheduleBuilder(plugin)
  .every(10).ticks()
  .run(() -> { ... });
  .async()
  .during(15).minutes()
  .start();

[young knoll]

Ah wait

Future is not CompletableFuture

[wraith apex]

yeah

you have to poll future

until you get the complete

[young knoll]

Still makes more sense at least

isDone vs isCancelled

[wraith apex]

But are you not just holding up the main thread?

waiting for the completed future

[young knoll]

Not if you call it from another thread?

[wraith apex]

I guess but why is it called callSync then

lol

doc says it will call a method on main thread

[young knoll]

sync basically means main thread in this case

Which isn't really how sync works but yeah

[wraith apex]

yeah that's why it's confusing me

[young knoll]

callMethodOnMainThread isn't as nice

:p

[wraith apex]

lol look at Note 1

can't even call Future.get() on main

[young knoll]

Wonder what happens if you do

Probably world war 3

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-think-fast-hmm-think-fast-gif-8986838907880577591

yes

[lost matrix]

Yeah if you try to call get on a tick before this method call is scheduled, then you got a clean deadlock

[wraith apex]

awesome

going to make a deadlock command

[icy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlocked-geometry-dash-meme-gif-25586237

I had to

[wraith apex]

bro can't even make it past the first part 💀

[icy beacon]

I wonder how far I can get if I do 5 attempts blindfolded

Not further than the fast wave def

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlocked-gif-23063430

[icy beacon]

That thing yes

A good fps gif??

[wraith apex]

ikr wtf

s m o o t h

[echo basalt]

1.5 seconds 2gb

[wraith apex]

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-coins-secret-coin-secret-deadlocked-gif-26993066

[lilac dagger]

That looks so tough, wth

[icy beacon]

Looks is the key word

[wraith apex]

my mans never seen blood bath 💀

deadlocked is easy in comparison to some of the user created demons

frame perfect movements :c

[icy beacon]

I don't know how this turned into a gd conversation but since this is happening I'll throw in the fact that I'm trying to jump from a medium demon to Acu and so far I've got 12k attempts + 0-30, 26-64, 63-100 + 45-84 + 41-81

Please wish me luck because the predrop is less consistent than my grades

I'll need it

[wraith apex]

godspeed lol

[lilac dagger]

I'm stuck here

[wraith apex]

oh boy

[icy beacon]

Everyone starts somewhere

[echo basalt]

think the last one I did was jumper

[wraith apex]

you have a long road ahead of you soldier

[static notch]

does any of you know how to make a spigot server?

[ivory sleet]

that one is hard, used to struggle with it when playing the free version

[icy beacon]

#help-server

[static notch]

no one in it

nvm

[lost matrix]

Nah m8 we just program plugins. I have no idea if they work bc setting up a server is incomprehensible to me...

[icy beacon]

What's your hardest btw?

[lilac dagger]

Yeah, it's pretty hard, but nothing compared to the one logical showed us

[icy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/gdloops-geometry-dash-gd-limbo-gif-12327291434483131704

Observe please

[lilac dagger]

What am i looking at?

[icy beacon]

Ok this is a perfect loop it's not that long actually

[icy beacon]

You have to maneuver the wave while keeping the eye on the correct key and in the end you'll have to pick the key

https://tenor.com/view/limbo-key-keys-gd-geometry-dash-gif-3654029799327218954

[lilac dagger]

Oof

[icy beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/tidal-wave-geometry-dash-tidal-waved-extreme-demon-gif-10104153404910864547

[lilac dagger]

My brain can't do this

[icy beacon]

And well this is the hardest level verified so far (the gif above)

(should be the hardest when it's placed on the list)

[echo basalt]

think the only demon I beat was like masterquest or whatever the name was

[icy beacon]

Mastergame?

[echo basalt]

ye

[small current]

i failed to process this gif

[icy beacon]

xD

[wraith apex]

Blood Bath, I attempted Blood Lust and some other harder demons but gave up. Was getting too time consuming for what it was worth

[icy beacon]

Oo, nice

[wraith apex]

something like 27k attempts

[icy beacon]

Did you jump to it?

[wraith apex]

I mean some parts you can, some parts doesn't make sense to

[icy beacon]

I mean like what was your prev hardest?

[small current]

i feel like you get a mental issue playing geometry dash

[icy beacon]

Playing since 2015-2016, I can confirm

[wraith apex]

I got it around 2013/2014 i believe

when the game was pretty new

[icy beacon]

Damn you were early haha

I was 6 years old

[wraith apex]

yeah

[icy beacon]

When you got the game

[wraith apex]

college

[small current]

i played it since 1975

y'all kids

🔥

[wraith apex]

You old fuck 💀

[small current]

i was 84 at 1975 when i started playing it

[wraith apex]

You're either fake or your dead

[wraith apex]

some demon level in the gauntlets the GD had, can't remember their names

there are some later gauntlets with only demons

https://www.pointercrate.com/demonlist/

[valid burrow]

Since when?!?!??!

[wraith apex]

since always

just cast to player

[valid burrow]

idk in older versions it works just fine

wtf is a humanentity anways

[icy beacon]

Afaik the only class that extends HumanEntity is Player

It's an interface actually but idgaf

But for some abstraction reason they are 2 different things

[valid burrow]

damn

[remote swallow]

its been like that since 14th of april 2013

[wraith apex]

HumanEntity is a Player or NPC

[icy beacon]

he did his research 🖖

[wraith apex]

I guess by NPC they're referring to fake players?

[remote swallow]

yup

[wraith apex]

not sure why it can't just be player then

[young knoll]

It can be

[valid burrow]

guess ive just never used it in the newer versions

[young knoll]

But internally it's a HumanEntity

[wraith apex]

fake player opening a gui?

[young knoll]

NMS provides us with HumanEntity so that is what we forward

However, these days we normally just convert it to player

[remote swallow]

ill forward you in a minute

[wraith apex]

Player p;

[valid burrow]

welp ig that all makes sense and stuff

still weird that ive apprently never used it in newer versions

[young knoll]

I think this is basically the only place it appears

[valid burrow]

yh im normally to lazy to make guis

[wraith apex]

ye

I've not seen it much anywhere else

I also don't get the use case for it

since it's very niche

and even making a npc requires NMS calls but they have support for it opening a GUI? you wouldn't even see the GUI though... ?

[young knoll]

It isn't useful

[wraith apex]

nope

[young knoll]

It's just how Mojang did it

[wraith apex]

to be fair I could just make my own InventoryInteractEvent that casts HumanEntity to player and pass it on

[young knoll]

I don't think spigot can change it sadly

Pretty sure that would break plugins?

[remote swallow]

its been like it is for too long

[remote swallow]

ye

method sig would change

all we could do is deprecate and make new method

[young knoll]

Idk exactly how ABI works

[remote swallow]

why not

[young knoll]

Do you

[remote swallow]

i know changing the return type changes sig

more than you

[wraith apex]

Nah I just meant locally in my own plugins

not force spigot to change it (ᵇᵉᶜᵃᵘˢᵉ ᵗʰᵉʸ ʷᵒⁿᵗ)

[uncut folio]

i got it working :D
now i have one last question

[valid burrow]

using a list inside of a list is possibly the most confusing thing i did this week

[uncut folio]

i'm trying to send a message to the player but it sends before the player's message is sent
is there a way to prevent that or do i manually have to delay that line?

[remote swallow]

delay it like 6 ticks

?scheduling

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/scheduler-programming/

[wraith apex]

List<List<Map<List<ItemStack>,Set<KeK>>>> mess;

[uncut folio]

got it

[wraith apex]

tick is 50ms or 1/20th of a second

[remote swallow]

ye

it could be 1, but theres a chance it will send before

so 4 is good, 6 is better as it can account for some lag

[wraith apex]

why would lag cause a scheduled message to be sent earlier or later?

[valid burrow]

damn

[remote swallow]

end user ping

i saw it a few times with 1 tick delay, i could get like 200ping and then message sends before mine has

[wraith apex]

I meant on the server side

[remote swallow]

the lag i meant was users ping

[wraith apex]

but if your waiting for a players message, you could just wait for the message and then fire off something?

[remote swallow]

the event would early fire or something like that

i dont actually know why it would happen but it did

[wraith apex]

correct me if I'm wrong but it was my understanding that if the player sends a message and the server recieves it, the AsyncChatEvent fires regardless of how garbage or good your ping is?

[remote swallow]

the event fires before clients see the message

so if client ping lag or something is bad, the message you could send would fire before it sends even with a tick delay

[wraith apex]

I'm very confused, Player sends a message? I imagine talking in chat, Server recieves message and then sends a message back to the player

How does a server that's physically further away than the players client, manage to have a message arrive from it on the client before the client can print its own message?

[echo basalt]

Because the client doesn't print its own message?

[wraith apex]

oh fuck

yeah

my brain died

[echo basalt]

Client -> Server (Message: Joe Mama!)
Server fires event
Server -> All clients (Client1 said Joe Mama!)

[wraith apex]

and I'm guessing the AsyncChatEvent is the first stop it makes

before sending it to everyone else

[echo basalt]

Yep

[wraith apex]

aight makes more sense

I'd just delay by 1 tick

works for most things

[remote swallow]

not enough sometimes

theres the change it will send before the message

[valid burrow]

is there an event for stepping on a pressure plate?

[eternal night]

Interact event

[remote swallow]

action physical

Ass Pressure

[wraith apex]

It's time to get physical

[torn shuttle]

hey someone please sanity check me and tell me that the mc version for 1.20.2 is not, in fact, showing up as 1_20_R2 which was what 1.20.1 was showing up as

am I tripping here?

[young knoll]

Wasn't 1.20.1 R1

[torn shuttle]

uh

I remember it was a mess because 1.20 and 1.20.1 are the same but not using the same name but at the same time you can't download the mappings for 1.20 specifically

(because they're the same afaik between 1.20 and 1.20.1)

so I guess maybe I was wrong? Was it using R1 this whole time for 1.20.1?

[young knoll]

Maybe?

[valid burrow]

its prolly something stupid but when i enter a command that is registered in the main and in the plugin yml it just returns false

any idea why that might happen?

i dont.

it doesnt even execute the command executor

thats the thing

it just returns false

instantly

[lost matrix]

How do you check if it returns false and doesnt get called?

[valid burrow]

it sends in the usage from the plugin yml

wich usally happens when it returns false

which

[young knoll]

?notworking

[undone axle]

"Does not working" is a useless statement. Please describe what exactly is not working, what you expect it to do, and what actually happens. If you get any console errors, also ?paste the entire stacktrace.