help-development

[safe ibex]

It's not exactly hard to read?

[echo basalt]

Working in kotlin limits the amount of people willing to help you by around 90%

[safe ibex]

Are you serious?

[echo basalt]

Yes

[eternal oxide]

Yep, most here dislike kotlin

we so zero point in it, especially for plugins

[safe ibex]

But writing java is so much worse because it doesn't have like .filter etc

I like functional stuff like that as it's so much fucking easier to write code

[echo basalt]

kotlin here is associated with dellusional people that think kotlin is better

[dry yacht]

There is nothing inherently wrong with it, other than that it only adds more complexity to something which is already more complex than the average plugin developer can handle - the plugin itself.

[echo basalt]

java does have filters and all

[safe ibex]

I prefer kotlin because of the map functions and filter functions etc

[river oracle]

java can do filters to collections and maps :)

[safe ibex]

like x.filter { it.toLower() == "hello" } is much simpler than the verbose having to use for loop version...

Unless I don't know Java that much - that's kind of sucky

[echo basalt]

Regardless of what you say... we still don't care

[safe ibex]

💀

[river oracle]

java can do this btw

[safe ibex]

Show me

[river oracle]

accept its more verbose which is scary

[eternal oxide]

yep stream filter

[river oracle]

x.stream().filter(Function Here)

[safe ibex]

?

[echo basalt]

myCollection.stream().filter(object -> object.equalsIgnoreCase("hello"))

[eternal oxide]

Stream.of(x).filter(

[echo basalt]

Stream.of(myArray).filter

whatever

[safe ibex]

But why do you have to .stream() it?

[wispy jasper]

a quick question: how do i give a player a tag and how to remove? i tried with player.performCommand but you need op for that

[river oracle]

couldn't you just do String::equalsIgnoreCase

[echo basalt]

no

[dry yacht]

List<String> data = new ArrayList<>();
List<String> filteredData = data.stream()
  .filter(item -> item.toLowerCase(Locale.ROOT).equals("hello"))
  .collect(Collectors.toList());

What's so ugly about that in comparison to your kotlin function? Does it already result in a collection?

[echo basalt]

I still hate the stream api

[safe ibex]

Now I don't mind being verbose, but why the hell do you have to stream it???

[eternal oxide]

I like streams for specific uses, like filtering and map

[safe ibex]

Whatever you put in comes out e.g. a filtered mutable list comes out as a filtered mutable list

Like what is a stream???

[eternal oxide]

stream is basically iterating the collection

[safe ibex]

If I know that, then I'll instantly switch my codebase just on the basis more people will help

[safe ibex]

Oh?

[dry yacht]

So you only love Kotlin because it hides implementation details behind little concise functions for you?

[echo basalt]

It's a transformation wrapper

the only reason why 200 collection types won't impl it, is because not everyone wants to use the streaming API

[safe ibex]

Ohhh ok

I kind of get it now, actually

[safe ibex]

So should I do this/if I do this y'all will actually help me? 🤣

[echo basalt]

There are some lambda functions handled by collections, but most of them are part of the streaming api

that came with java 8

[eternal oxide]

pretty much everything that you use in kotlin already exists in Java, just not as scripty

[echo basalt]

kotlin replaces verbose code with keywords

[brave sparrow]

equalsIgnoreCase says hello

[remote swallow]

you would definately get help quicker

[echo basalt]

and people argue it's better without understanding that java is designed to be verbose

[safe ibex]

Oh fuck yes ok then that makes me want to switch to it then lol

[river oracle]

99% of people here do not use kotlin

[safe ibex]

Oh ok

[river oracle]

there are the weird odballs ofcourse

[safe ibex]

Well

[remote swallow]

only like jantuck uses kotlin

[dry yacht]

I just used the example they provided and translated it to java, xD.

[remote swallow]

only regular ik here that uses it

[safe ibex]

Then gimme like an hour and my codebase will be completely Java - then I can actually solve shit 👍

[hazy parrot]

If you like kotlin more, sorry to say it, but it's stupid to move to java just to get more help

[remote swallow]

wonder if java will solve ur issues

[echo basalt]

pretty sure intellij can do the conversion for you

[safe ibex]

I do prefer Kotlin - but everyone else is just ignoring the fact that it's not hard to read/comprehend...

[eternal oxide]

wether you know kotlin or not, you can;t lose anything learning Java.

[safe ibex]

It's just more concise

[safe ibex]

I'd be fucking really annoyed if it does

[river oracle]

tbf most people here also don't know the hundreds of keywords kotlin has

so its difficult and annoying to read

[safe ibex]

But you know, if there's more support in Java compared to Kotlin/more people want to actually help with Java compared to Kotlin then I'll make the switch 💀

[echo basalt]

inline fun

[safe ibex]

Fair enough

[echo basalt]

companion object

[remote swallow]

something!!.doSOmething?.method

like wot

[echo basalt]

i never understood languages calling their functions fun

[hazy parrot]

One of things that doesn't exist in java ^

[echo basalt]

sure it's short

but like

[brave sparrow]

It’s not hard if you know kotlin, but few people are going to attempt to correct code in a language they don’t know

[safe ibex]

Although I originally am from a completely typescript & python background so I am all for scripty stuff - it's just what I'm used to lmfao

[echo basalt]

most ides can just

do stuff

[dry yacht]

Optimizing for conciseness does not make your codebase better, just saying, xD

[safe ibex]

Yeah, I guess

[safe ibex]

I guess?

I mean it makes it easier to read (for people that know Kotlin) but still

ok lemme try and switch this over

[hazy parrot]

Nothing hard about it,!! Asserts not null and ? Is null safe chaining operator

[dry yacht]

It's not about hiding details, abbreviating or being concise, it's about being as simple as possible but as complex as needed.

[twin venture]

spigot-api

[echo basalt]

I miss writing plugin code that actually did stuff

[brave sparrow]

As opposed to?

[echo basalt]

uhh

my latest project was an entire image rendering system

[safe ibex]

oh for fuck sake - it's one way 💀

[echo basalt]

that used maps & itemframes

[brave sparrow]

That’s doing stuff

[echo basalt]

there's like 10% bukkit code

80% graphics abstraction

[dry yacht]

Big OOP architectures that just delegate calls around, LOL (just a joke, xD)

[echo basalt]

^

[hazy parrot]

(it's not a joke)

[echo basalt]

it's like

a ton of database abstraction

futures everywhere

rendering systems

[safe ibex]

I seriously have to re-write everything 💀

[river oracle]

(Little did he know it wasn't a joke)

[safe ibex]

Whelp

[dry yacht]

It's being critical towards OOP, but many people here don't like to hear that

[safe ibex]

/convert it all

[echo basalt]

you can grab 80% of the code here and make an OS with it

[brave sparrow]

You and I have differing definitions of “doing stuff” then lol

[brave sparrow]

You don’t have to

[echo basalt]

this project compiles to like 800kb and has about 5 listeners and 8 commands

[safe ibex]

I kind of want support/help, and while I do enjoy Kotlin a lot more than Java - I'd say availability of support takes precedence....

[echo basalt]

no shading

[rapid topaz]

does public void run() only work in my main class?

[echo basalt]

no 🤦

[rapid topaz]

thanks for the emoji 👍

[echo basalt]

[safe ibex]

for god sake

[echo basalt]

You don't have this?

[safe ibex]

It's greyed out for me

[echo basalt]

hm

[safe ibex]

So god damn annoying

I guess it cannot convert because of the vastly different-ish syntax 🤷

[dry yacht]

Ah, yes, a a factory inside a factory which inherits from an abstract factory so it can create new factories which can create builders which finally create the manager that can get the needed object.

[safe ibex]

like e.g. companion objects and null coalescing etc

[echo basalt]

nah that's enterprise code

I have a wrapper for the bukkit scheduler

[worldly ingot]

Or probably because you're looking at source code so there's nothing to decompile

If you compiled that to bytecode and were looking at a class it would probably let you use that option

[echo basalt]

I also have my own version of CompletableFuture that doesn't suck up exceptions

[worldly ingot]

Suck up exceptions?

Literally all you have to do is handle exceptions

Either whenComplete(), handle(), or exceptionally()

[echo basalt]

You end up having 200 duplicate .exceptionally(thr -> thr.printStackTrace(); return null;}); code blocks

[worldly ingot]

Yeah if you're using CFs incorrectly you will

[echo basalt]

You still need to add handling by default to show exceptions

Instead of your code just failing and the exception showing up regardless

other useless classes I have include my own time profiling system, that makes fancy graphs in grafana

my command system, my placeholder system

Skin changing system

uh

cinematic stuff like transitions, text animations

[safe ibex]

Not too amazing at Java, is a mutable map in kotlin equivalent to the following?

public static HashMap<UUID, Inventory> guiMap = new HashMap<>();

Idk if that's the same, that's all I can find online - anyway

[echo basalt]

why is it static

Yeah it's mutable

[safe ibex]

ok cool

[echo basalt]

There are multiple map implementations

I usually default to ConcurrentHashMap

[safe ibex]

🤦‍♂️

10 ways to do one thing

oh god

[echo basalt]

Each way has positive and negative aspects

For example, you can have an ArrayList and a LinkedList

[safe ibex]

yeah, and in KT you just do mutableMapOf<T>()

done

boom

ok making some good progress ig

not much diff, biggest problem is the null assertions and no semicolons

[ionic dagger]

I'm interested in making a character customization-type gui for an rpg server, but i don't know how I would actually store the customizations for the player

any ideas?

Would I create a config file and store each players decision there?

[tall dragon]

that would be an option. but the best option would probably be a database

[ionic dagger]

how would i go at doing that?

[tall dragon]

first you would choose a database. and then look at documentation regarding interaction with said database

and then you interact with it to insert, get your data

[desert frigate]

i currently have a file config

org.shawty.Files.Minions.get().addDefault("Minions", new ArrayList<String>());
                org.shawty.Files.Minions.get().options().copyDefaults(true);
                org.shawty.Files.Minions.save();```
but everytime the server restarts, the defaults get set again so the value is just getting reset every time? how can i fix this?

it isnt really a default when it gets reset every time

[ionic dagger]

im sorry, im new to this

where would i find a database thats good for the data im trying to store

[ivory sleet]

Well sort of

[tall dragon]

well its largely preference

i for example like nosql databases such as MongoDB

[ivory sleet]

there’s both hashMapOf and mutableMapOf

[tall dragon]

but it can be good to do some reseach on them for how much data you are going to insert

[safe ibex]

which one should I use then when switching to Java?

[ivory sleet]

however mutableMapOf may not be a hash map by contract

Since you know, kotlin can be compiled to other stuff

Where the impl may not be the java hash map

mutableMapOf is fine tho

Its like the same thing with when you use the type ArrayList vs just List

does your program actually depend on an array list specifically? Or just a list, where ArrayList happens to be the most accurate implementation to use?

This goes under liskov’ substitution principle

[dry yacht]

https://github.com/BlvckBytes/BBConfigMapper/blob/main/src/main/java/me/blvckbytes/bbconfigmapper/YamlConfig.java#L122-L134
This is going to save me so much time by not having to delete the darn config file anymore if I add new keys...

[desert frigate]

anyone know why this happens?

[dry yacht]

I have no idea what org.shawty.Files.Minions is, but I'd guess that the call to save will just override the config with whatever the current configuration in memory holds. Are you loading the file before the call to save?

[desert frigate]

org.shawty.Files.Minions:

public class Minions {
    private static File file;
    private static FileConfiguration configFile;
    public static void setup() {
        file = new File(Core.getPlugin().getDataFolder(), "minions.yml");
        if(!file.exists()) {
            try {
                file.createNewFile();
            } catch(IOException e) {
                Bukkit.getLogger().severe("Cannot create the minions.yml file!");
            }
        }
        configFile = YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(file);
    }

    public static FileConfiguration get() {
        return configFile;
    }
    public static void save() {
        try {
            configFile.save(file);
        } catch (IOException e) {
            Bukkit.getLogger().severe("Cannot save the minions.yml file!");
        }
    }
    public static void reload() {
        configFile = YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(file);
    }
}

and loading, what do you mean?

[delicate sluice]

Don't use static too often...

[desert frigate]

whats wrong with static...

i pulled this from youtube..

[dry yacht]

You're loading the configuration from the file in setup, so after having loaded it into memory, a call to save shouldn't override anything, if there were no changes in the mean time. If you edit the file after your plugin has loaded and then call save onDisable or something similar, your plugin is of course not gonna know about the changes you did manually, outside of the system.

[delicate sluice]

Lol it will mess all your code. Then you change the value of whatever static you assigned, it will literally change every value that was called with the static. Idk how to explain it in simple terms. It breaks the idea behind object orientated programming

Just stay away from it as much as possible. You only use static in rare cases. Go watch more videos behind static functions in java

[delicate sluice]

Whoever's code this is, don't rely on learning from them. You will almost 100% come with problems when continuing on this....

[undone yarrow]

Most programmers probably wouldnt be here without youtube though

[dry yacht]

And removing static is not going to fix the issue either... my lord.

[undone yarrow]

I have a plugin that's supposed to save some variables, and it does, but it wont load them. Everything works alright, and it makes a file, saves the data and everything, but after a restart it cant seem to open the file and read the data. The only error I get is:

[13:56:55 ERROR]: [org.bukkit.configuration.serialization.ConfigurationSerialization] Could not call method 'public static org.bukkit.Location org.bukkit.Location.deserialize(java.util.Map)' of class org.bukkit.Location for deserialization```
 Can someone please help? I've literally been trying to fix this tiny stupid plugin for 3 days now and it's driving me insane! 
Here's the ChestObject class (note, the plugin has 0 things to do with chests): https://paste.md-5.net/lizahekuda.java 
And here's the ParticleHandler class. https://paste.md-5.net/unikatatol.java
Both the chestobject and particlehandler classes have something to do with saving and loading data. Here's the main class just in case
https://paste.md-5.net/rizujaboju.java
If you have any clue on a possible fix, ping me a trillion times because I've already tried everything and don't know what to do anymore

[tardy delta]

average github lurker

[desert frigate]

The setup file code is the first thing in oneEnable so no other changes are made. And I call save and reload on every change so I don't see a reason to put save in onDisable

[desert frigate]

so you want me to make a class instead?

[regal scaffold]

Hey, I’m looking into getting better at nms and I have a few questions regarding this. I’m sure a bunch of you know the answer

[tardy delta]

?nms

[undone axle]

https://blog.jeff-media.com/nms-use-mojang-mappings-for-your-spigot-plugins/

[regal scaffold]

As I understand. NMS is directly related to a Minecraft server version, therefore, if I want to make my plugin multi version I most likely need to do some adapting regarding nms directly

[tardy delta]

ugh wrong one

[regal scaffold]

I’ve read that anyways

I see that many plugins have folders for each Minecraft version, and inside of them specific nms stuff for that version

There’s a lot but for this example

[eternal oxide]

multi module

[regal scaffold]

AnvilGUI

How does my code know which version to use? How do I make those files? What actually goes in them

[eternal oxide]

google mbaxter github multimodule

[regal scaffold]

Im accepting resources if you have any as well! Greatly welcome

I will look at all the stuff you send

[undone yarrow]

Coming back to this, I think it has to do with this piece of code. java public static ChestObject deserialize(Map<String, Object> args) { // Get all the variables from the Map, and return them as a ChestObject boolean isLooted = (boolean) args.get("isLooted"); Location location = (Location) args.get("location"); if(location == null) Bukkit.broadcastMessage("Location is null in deserialization method 1"); Particle particle = Particle.valueOf((String) args.get("particle")); int cooldown = (int) args.get("cooldown"); List<ItemStack> items = (List<ItemStack>) args.get("items"); return new ChestObject(isLooted, location, particle, cooldown, items); } I'm sure the order of the new ChestObject is correct, so I'm guessing it has to do with the items. I think there's going something wrong there, when deserializing. What would be a way to check if there something wrong with that?
The error says Could not call method 'public static org.bukkit.Location org.bukkit.Location.deserialize(java.util.Map)' of class org.bukkit.Location for deserialization

[ivory sleet]

Each module implement a separate class behind an interface, then during runtime you have ur main class which fetches the nms version from the package of one of the craft bukkit classes.

(And obv u then choose which implementation of that interface to use)

[regal scaffold]

So I make an interface containing all the methods I would need and then program each version class manually to adapt to each version?

[ivory sleet]

Ye, in principle

Sometimes the versions don’t differ

[regal scaffold]

Now this might sound dumb. But isn’t nms massive? Wouldn’t the file be thousands of lines long?

[ivory sleet]

So you can leave behind a default implementation

You can have multiple interfaces

Or use reflection and dont have multiple modules

[tardy delta]

oh i hope this includes it https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/all-you-need-to-know-about-nms.582651/#post-4517602

[regal scaffold]

What I mean is, I assume I make each version module depending to my needs regarding nms? It’s not like I make a global NMS for absolutely everything nms has

Like, for example, your nms file won’t be the same as mine, even if it’s for the same version

Cause we want to do different things

[eternal oxide]

https://bukkit.org/threads/support-multiple-minecraft-versions-with-abstraction-maven.115810/

[regal scaffold]

I need to read all these so I’m just asking questions which will probably get answered after I read but just to get more resources

Now, he said:

Use reflection and you don’t need multimodules

I know what reflection does and how it works. But how does reflection simplify that? Why isn’t everyone using reflection for it

[tardy delta]

reflection is slow asf

[regal scaffold]

Ahhhh gotcha so that’s the main reason

Now, I know there’s libraries out there like protocol lib as well

[quaint mantle]

How can I remove the link https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/picture.png from a message received in the chat and replace that message with the text "image"? Im gonna use it in DiscordSRV plugin, so the image from discord gonna become clickable text "image" into the chat

[tardy delta]

myes

[safe ibex]

What's the diff between a hashmap keyset and entry set?!?

Oh wait I just do .put to set to a map nevermind

[regal scaffold]

So with nms then. I assume I write everything I need for 1 version first. And then make the handler and expand to other versions with my version as reference?

[safe ibex]

Ah yes, I love writing Java like Kotlin:

Arrays.stream(items).filter(Objects::nonNull).forEach(inventory::addItem);

This is exactly what I like 😊

Oh wait what the actual hell

IntelliJ is smarter with Java than it is with it's own language!!!?!?!?

[quiet ice]

what do you mean there

[safe ibex]

Like it's giving smarter like suggestions and stuff

Idk never noticed it with KT compared to Java 🤔

[quiet ice]

probably depends on the settings of your IDE

[safe ibex]

Oh my fucking god

[quiet ice]

People often think eclipse is dumb - but that is only because they let is stay at default settings.
Same applies in your case too most likely

[safe ibex]

I am trying to write Java in the style of Kotlin because that's what I'm used to

And I made this abomination:

ItemStack[] itemsToDonate = (ItemStack[]) Arrays.stream(event.getInventory().getContents()).filter(itemStack ->
  !Objects.equals(itemStack.displayName(), Component.text("Donate to Admins")) && itemStack.getType() != Material.ARROW
).toArray();

absolutely beautiful 🤌

[quiet ice]

😦

[safe ibex]

LMFAO

It's beautiful man

[quiet ice]

at least put the itemstack type comparision ahead of the display name comparision

[safe ibex]

what do you mean?

like where sorry?

[quiet ice]

ItemStack[] itemsToDonate = (ItemStack[]) Arrays.stream(event.getInventory().getContents()).filter(itemStack ->
  itemStack.getType() != Material.ARROW && !Objects.equals(itemStack.displayName(), Component.text("Donate to Admins"))
).toArray();

[safe ibex]

So like this?

ItemStack[] itemsToDonate = (ItemStack[]) Arrays.stream(event.getInventory().getContents()).filter(Objects::nonNull).filter(itemStack ->
  itemStack.getType() != Material.ARROW && !Objects.equals(itemStack.displayName(), Component.text("Donate to Admins"))
).toArray();

[quiet ice]

it's slightly faster given that comparing instances is fairly cheap - comparing strings are not.

[safe ibex]

Ohhh ok

Fair enough 👍

How would you actually write that? I kind of get that that's kind of a piece of shit snippet 💀

[quiet ice]

But performance will be rather shit regardless, so it is kinda pointless that I suggest that to you

[safe ibex]

What do you mean?

Why?

[quiet ice]

Streams have a large overhead

[safe ibex]

fack

[eternal oxide]

not so much now

[regal scaffold]

Hey, I need to know

[eternal oxide]

they improved a short while back, in performance

[quiet ice]

Yeah it's okay unless you call it like thousands of times every tick

[regal scaffold]

https://github.com/JEFF-Media-GbR/JeffLib/tree/master/core/src/main/java/com/jeff_media/jefflib/internal/nms

Is this type of abstraction specific for something or is it a good general version of it

Like I'm still a bit confused on this nms stuff after reading for a while

[safe ibex]

Yes ok let's go I get to do functional shit in an OOP language 🤤

let's go

[regal scaffold]

Do I only make the nms methods that I need? Do I need a general one for stuff that I won't use?

Do I add stuff as I need it instead?

[safe ibex]

idk I just find it easier to read and faster to code if I code the way I already know (pure functional and progressive code rather than object everything)

[regal scaffold]

What if I need something else? Do I need to rewrite the entire interface?

[quiet ice]

List<ItemStack> temp = new ArrayList<>();
for (ItemStack itemStack : event.getInventory().getContents()) {
    if (itemStack.getType() == Material.ARROW || Objects.equals(itemStack.displayName(), Component.text("Donate to Admins"))) {
        continue;
    }
    temp.add(itemStack);
}
ItemStack[] itemsToDonate = temp.toArray(new ItemStack[0]);

Would be a more readable approach

[safe ibex]

Hm

[quiet ice]

(although I'd advise against the List#toArray call if possible - just added it in here to preserve the same code outcomes)

[tardy delta]

ItemStack[]::new 🥹

[safe ibex]

Wtf is that

[tardy delta]

an intfunction

[safe ibex]

Yeah here's a thing I notice more in vanilla Java compared to Kotlin tho - it's a lot more vanilla for loops than anything else

Not gonna lie

Which I don't really like as much

But hey ho

[safe ibex]

?

What the hell is that

[quiet ice]

sadly not a thing depending on your java version

[safe ibex]

on amazon coretto 17

it's fine

[quiet ice]

Basically it allocates an array of a given size

[safe ibex]

so it basically it makes a new thing in the style of a class/object?!?

[safe ibex]

mhm

[quiet ice]

It's a shortcut for (int var10001) -> new ItemStack[var10001]

[ocean hollow]

how can I set cooldown for event? It sends me 2 messages to times per 1 click

[tardy delta]

var10001 🥹

[quiet ice]

I've worked too much with FF/QF

[tall dragon]

playerinteractevent?

[tardy delta]

and whats that

[ocean hollow]

PlayerInteractEntityEvent

[tall dragon]

?interactevent

[undone axle]

The PlayerInteractEvent may be called once per hand. If you only want code to be executed once, you can check the result of https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/player/PlayerInteractEvent.html#getHand(), then decide functionality.

For example, only executing code if the main hand was used:

@EventHandler
public void onPlayerInteract(PlayerInteractEvent event) {
    if (event.getHand() != EquipmentSlot.HAND) { // * if the hand used is NOT the main hand:
        return; // do not progress past this point  |
    }
    // provide functionality
}

[tall dragon]

works the same i believe

[orchid gazelle]

yo does extending CommandExecutor work somehow?

[quiet ice]

Similar thing is with Object:new which is a shortcut for () -> new Object().
Same with stuff like Objects::equals which is shorthand for (var10001, var10002) -> Objects.equals(var10001, var10002)

[orchid gazelle]

I wanna add/modify some functionality of CommandExecutor

[tardy delta]

well what does FF/QF stand for?

[quiet ice]

Fernflower (more commonly known as IntelliJ-decompiler)/Quiltflower. Two java decompilers

[tardy delta]

ah

felt that

[ocean hollow]

I mean make sure that the code is not executed twice on click

[graceful oak]

Would anyone be able to help me with setting a color of a glass pane in an item stack the only thing im finding is the depreciated way of setting durability with the itemstack

[eternal oxide]

colours from durability are pre 1.12

[graceful oak]

Oh wait i realized im an idiot it just is an item huh

xD

[eternal oxide]

so long as you have the correct api-version in your plugin.yml it's just a material choice

[thorn crypt]

Yo, I got this error I can't understand how to fix it

[safe ibex]

is List.of performant?

[thorn crypt]

what you mean ?

[safe ibex]

In this context:

List<ItemStack> itemsToStoreInPDC = new ArrayList<>();

itemsToStoreInPDC.addAll(List.of(itemsInDonationPDC));
itemsToStoreInPDC.addAll(List.of(itemsToDonate));

[thorn crypt]

I can send you the code if you want

[safe ibex]

?

What?

I'm just wondering if that's an OK-thing to do

Trying to concat 2 arrays

[thorn crypt]

Tbh I don't see what you mean by concat, English is not my native language, so you lost 😅

[safe ibex]

Concatenate

Make a list consisting of all elements of one array, and all elements of other

[zealous osprey]

general warning for List.of:
An immutably list is generated.
Not important for this context, just wanted to mention it in case you ever wonder why you are getting an error.

[safe ibex]

But what'd be the best way to do this in java?

[thorn crypt]

The thing is that 7smile7 gave me a snippet to make a glowing block for a only player using ProtocolLib 5.0.0 (https://gist.github.com/Flo0/3020ede8f4efd10783b672aa278df2d8)

It was working but now generating me this error and not showing the glowing invisible slime but it was working before

[zealous osprey]

why shouldn't it be fine?
Also performace normally isn't an issue, unless the operation is executed many, many times.
Do not try to overly optimize code, make it readable instead.

[glossy venture]

wrong version of protocollib maybe

it cant find the class

[thorn crypt]

nope

[glossy venture]

PacketContainer is from protocollib right

[thorn crypt]

Yes

[glossy venture]

what version do you have installed on the server

[thorn crypt]

Spigot 1.19.3 ProtocolLib 5.0.0

[glossy venture]

tf

[safe ibex]

Cool, will do on that readable bit - thanks 👍

[cinder spindle]

Why am I getting this window?

I want that default window where I can select which type of plugin I want to create

[thorn crypt]

The interface changed, I don't like it either...

[cinder spindle]

When??

[thorn crypt]

Recently

A week ago

approximatively

[cinder spindle]

Alright but why am I getting this?

[thorn crypt]

Idk

[cinder spindle]

it was good for me 2 hours ago

[thorn crypt]

You updated the plugin 2 hours ago then I think 🥲

[cinder spindle]

ah

I should've not

[glossy venture]

can you look into the protocollib jar with winrar or smth

to check if the class exists

if it doesnt the class is either coming from some other dependency or you do have a version mismatch

otherwise maybe a bukkit/java class loader bug tho i cant imagine that being the case

[thorn crypt]

Okay I think the problem is with protocollib, I setuped another server with protocollib and my plugin and it work perfectly

[regal scaffold]

@lost matrix Are you around

[dry yacht]

Extending CommandExecutor? It's an interface, xD. What do you want to modify about it? Personally, I don't at all use this interface, I always inherit from org.bukkit.command.Command.

[orchid gazelle]

I wanna change things like automaticly managing permissions

(which will of course need to do some things on command-execution)

[tardy delta]

acf hehe

[dry yacht]

Get out of here

[tardy delta]

with pleasure

[cinder spindle]

why am I having this?

[dry yacht]

You should just build your own middleware, I guess. I once had an implementation I played around with, where I threw exceptions for things like missing arguments, missing permissions, player not online, unparsable input, etc., which I then caught in the middleware, that mapped these to configurable messages and explained to the user what went wrong. I don't even know how bukkit automatically verifies permissions, as I never made use of that feature.

[regal scaffold]

blvck can I ask you some stuff regarding nms multiversion

[orchid gazelle]

yeah thats basicly what I want

[dry yacht]

Sure, go ahead,

[orchid gazelle]

but what the heck should I use as a basis? That was my idea, extending something like CommandExecutor

cannot just throw in my own CommandMap and all lol

[tardy delta]

how are you building?

oh you gotta be kiddin me

[tardy delta]

oh no no

use the maven tab on the right hand side and double click package

[dry yacht]

So you should create a command, like I do with PlayerCommand, that extends Command, and then have an abstract void onPlayerCommand(Player player, String label, String[] args); in your PlayerCommand. Inside that class, you call onPlayerCommand in Command#execute, if applicable. Wrap that call in a try-catch, which then responds to known exceptions by telling the player what happened. This way, you can always just quickly throw in your actual handler and make this "middleware" handle talking to the player.

[cinder spindle]

Where is this???

[regal scaffold]

NMS holograms

[orchid gazelle]

tbh I did not even know that Command was a thing lol. Is it new?

[orchid gazelle]

I missed a lot of stuff because I came from 1.12.2 and just converted from that

[tardy delta]

just click view > tool windows > maven

[dry yacht]

Command is the version of CommandExecutor for grown-ups, lol. It has always been there, at least since 1.8. You can also use the CommandExecutor as a base of your middleware.

[tardy delta]

its there just click it open

[orchid gazelle]

whats the difference?

[cinder spindle]

Oh did it

Thanks!

[dry yacht]

Well, more control, plus the ability to register without a stupid entry into the plugin.yml

[orchid gazelle]

yeah aight gonna use that as a basis then^^

but sadly cannot start until tomorrow. Now I gotta learn for the exam tomorrow, and then write a curriculum vitae for the new school c.c

[river oracle]

I use Command its way better than that silly plugin.yml stuff lol

personally not a big fan of it

[orchid gazelle]

since I did not know it was even a thing I did not bother with it at all lol

[dry yacht]

I automatically register my commands using the AutoWirer, I don't even bother to register anything anymore. Such a pain.

[shadow gazelle]

Is there some way to register permissions without the plugin yaml?

[dry yacht]

You can just add these children of Command to the command-map by calling it's register function. Maybe there's even a way to get the handle of said map without reflection, I'm just not aware of one atm.

[tardy delta]

reflections my beloved

[shadow gazelle]

Kind of assumed it would be something like that

yay

[dry yacht]

I hate registering permissions anyways, I just check them myself. I don't need bukkit to hold my hand on that part, xDD

[tardy delta]

thats some interesting naming convention

[dry yacht]

Yep, I get that quite often, xD. It's internal to my lib and not going to change.

[vivid skiff]

How can i check if a player can actually see a another player?

[tardy delta]

.canSee?

or isVisible or smth

[dry yacht]

Isn't that just checking if the other player is hidden? It's not actually checking whether you can see them.

[worldly ingot]

I believe it's canSee(), yeah

[vivid skiff]

I mean like if a player is behind a wall and i can't see him

[worldly ingot]

Oh lol

[vivid skiff]

How could i do it?

I tried some methods using vectors to check the block but none of them worked

[shadow gazelle]

There's nothing for that built-in because it's not exactly light weight

[dry yacht]

Sounds like another call for raytracing. You need to really define what you take as "can see". How much of the player has to be visible? xD.

[tardy delta]

uh oh

what if the player can see through walls

[vivid skiff]

Just the head

[vivid skiff]

I can check if the block in between is glass or a flower or something like this

[dry yacht]

Then just build a vector from player A's eye-location to player B's eye-location and check for all blocks which that ray intersects with. There should even be a bukkit method for that, I think. Then iterate all results and check if you can see through them.

[vivid skiff]

I found this plugin https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/must-have-name-hide-no-lag-client-side.83899/ and wanted to make something similar

[vivid skiff]

Can you give me an example? like this i don't know what to do

[safe ibex]

When to use arrayList vs List?

In Java?

[shadow gazelle]

You can't use List

List is an interface

[safe ibex]

?

Can I not do this?

List<ItemStack> inventoryGUIItems = Arrays.stream(Objects.requireNonNull(event.getClickedInventory()).getContents()).filter(Objects::nonNull).toList();

[shadow gazelle]

That's not using list

[safe ibex]

Because that seems to work?

[shadow gazelle]

That's saying inventoryGUIItems is equal to something that implements List

[dry yacht]

That just returns you an implementation of List, what list you actually get is up to the Stream API

[safe ibex]

uhuh...

[shadow gazelle]

@SafeVarargs
@SuppressWarnings("varargs")
public static <T> List<T> asList(T... a) {
    return new ArrayList<>(a);
}

[dry yacht]

Likely just an ArrayList, xD. But it could be any list, like a LinkedList, etc.

[safe ibex]

Yeah ok

So use arraylist for a dynamic array

got it

[tardy delta]

uhh any docs on how to answer a craft recipe request packet on client side?

[shadow gazelle]

LinkedList has some interesting performance issues, so you probably don't want to use that unless you really need to

[tardy delta]

i see it probably accepts a recipe id but need more info

[quiet ice]

I doubt that that is doable

[safe ibex]

Cool, will use arrayList

[shadow gazelle]

???

That's literally from Arrays

[quiet ice]

In b4 it is another Java 9+ thing

[quiet ice]

ah, then that is a different ArrayList class

Since java.util.Arrays.ArrayList cannot be resized where as java.util.ArrayList can

[tardy delta]

uhm does wiki.vg also cover packets sent by the server?

[quiet ice]

should

question is to which extend

[vivid skiff]

I used this method to check if a player can seen an another player, but it isn't working

        Vector v = b.toVector().subtract(a.toVector());
        double j = Math.floor(v.length());
        v.multiply(1/v.length()); 
        for (int i = 0; i<=j; i++) {
            v = b.toVector().subtract(a.toVector());
            v.multiply(1 / v.length());
            Block block = a.getWorld().getBlockAt((a.toVector().add(v.multiply(i))).toLocation(a.getWorld()));
            if (!block.getType().equals(Material.AIR) && !block.getType().equals(Material.WATER)) {
                return true;
            }
        }
        return false;
    }```

[tardy delta]

oh wait found it

the description goes kinda brr

[eternal oxide]

just raytrace one player to the other and see if it hits a block

[tardy delta]

implementing crafting will be for tomorrow

2 hours break in college smh

[dry yacht]

Hmm, I can certainly try to, yeah. Give me a second, I haven't used the API myself, xD

For the most part, it would look something like this. The issue is that there's no available predicate, as far as I can see. So if you hit a block like glass or flowers and the like, it will return you this result, but won't provide any results after that position on the ray.

Maybe somebody else knows the API better than me

[undone yarrow]

You guys know that Horse jump bar thingy? is it possible to disable that + disable the jumping ability?

[twilit roost]

Not enought arrows

[undone yarrow]

ooh

gimme a sec

[dry yacht]

Damn, those are a lot of arrows. I almost cannot see what they're trying to show me

[limpid nexus]

Instructions unclear needs more arrows

[dry yacht]

Whether you can disable it depends on if the client automatically switches the mode of the "XP-Bar", or if the server has to initialize this. Jumping can most definitely be disabled, yes. Maybe there's even an event you can just easily cancel.

[undone yarrow]

that better?

[twilit roost]

little bit

[dry yacht]

Yes! that's what we're talking about

[undone yarrow]

Hmm that's cool

I guess I can also just remove the texture for the jumping xp bar lmao

[dry yacht]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/entity/HorseJumpEvent.html

[analog thicket]

What am I supposed to look at exactly? im very confused i think i need some more.

[twilit roost]

That background is miss leading
am I right

[analog thicket]

You

're

right

[undone yarrow]

And how can I rotate an animal in the same direction a player is looking at? So for example, using the Citizens plugin, you can ride any animals using /npc mount. But the thing is, the animals dont rotate with the player bcs the devs were too lazy to add that.

So how would I change the animals rot to the players rot

But only the animal theyre riding

[twilit roost]

Entity#lookAt
afaik

[undone yarrow]

Then the entity just looks at the player

right?

[twilit roost]

yeo

oh you mean it like so

welp use nms?
change pitch and yaw

[undone yarrow]

The citizens plugin also has a command for that, but when you're riding an animal, it gets confused bcs you're on top of it and it just doesnt work

[undone yarrow]

Yes but how

nms?

Im only familiar with no mans sky

[twilit roost]

Net Minecraft Server

[dry yacht]

Just track the player move event and set the thing the player's mounted on's yaw and pitch to the values of the players

[twilit roost]

the rabbit hole of all the pain

[undone yarrow]

🤔 Cool, didn't know that was possible, thanks!

[dry yacht]

I mean, I hope it is, xD. You need to test that theory

[undone yarrow]

Oh

lmfao

[dry yacht]

I guess that the whole thing rotates if you change the yaw, it should

[undone yarrow]

Yeah, it sounds possible

My last question (I swear, then I'll piss off): is it possible to add acceleration to animals? So when you're riding them, and you go forward they slowly go faster and faster

[twilit roost]

you can change their velocity

[rapid topaz]

just use orse horse = (Horse) entity;

        // Disable horse jumping
        horse.setJumpStrength(0);

to disable horse umping

[undone yarrow]

Damn did your parents really not give you a name?

[twilit roost]

so via some timers you can accelerate

[rapid topaz]

nah they left

[undone yarrow]

shit man, sorry

[twilit roost]

yo bro I found your dad, he's right on ur pfp

[dry yacht]

Something like this. You need to check if that works, I'm too lazy, lol

[rapid topaz]

yeah 😭

[rapid topaz]

joke btw

[undone yarrow]

Timers? Tried using schedulers before, I hope you dont mean that because I'd rather die a million times over than using those again

[undone yarrow]

I know lol

[twilit roost]

welp it's time for you to die
or use scheduler

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-gif-26335477

[rapid topaz]

what if it wasnt???????????????

[twilit roost]

*remove that thank you

[undone yarrow]

Thanks! I'll give it a try tomorrow.

[rapid topaz]

pretty sure you can use: player.getVehicle();

and then change velocity

[undone yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-its-cool-corgi-dog-cool-cool-dog-gif-17500597

[rapid topaz]

this might work idk: vehicle.setVelocity(vehicle.getVelocity().normalize().multiply(newSpeed));

[undone yarrow]

I need to remember not to add a speed limit

Just watch them players fly by

[rapid topaz]

not speed limit?!

[undone yarrow]

Welp now I know everything I want to do is (most likely) possible, Ill get back to dying

[undone yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-limit-stunts-gif-10775990

[tardy delta]

whats this dude coding in

[quiet ice]

jGrasp?

[tardy delta]

yah looks like that

[dry yacht]

Dude, those names are... one of their kind, xD

[worldly ingot]

I wonder how geol could have possibly figured that out

[tardy delta]

some dude sent his coding assignment

[worldly ingot]

[echo basalt]

congratulations choco you have eyes

[dry yacht]

Surely not this way

[worldly ingot]

SURELY NOT

[tardy delta]

Kittysvars4Lup... 🤔

7.java is pretty interesting too

[worldly ingot]

I wasn't aware that was possible

I don't actually think it is lol

[dry yacht]

Maybe it's just a compiler check which you can bypass, haha

[worldly ingot]

Well to be fair, file name doesn't necessarily have to equal the class name I don't think

Your IDE tries to force that to be the case but I don't think the JVM has any explicit requirement of that

[dry yacht]

Would be interesting if you could - let's say - compile class x7, then patch the binary to substitute x7 for 7 and then load the class using reflection as 7. Maybe it just does not matter if the identifier starts with an alphabetic character.

[tardy delta]

if its a non public class the file name can be different than the class name iirc

[dry yacht]

It can be different no matter what, naming the file the same as it's root class is just a convention.

[tardy delta]

oh

[feral coral]

Hello guys
anyone know how to fix NAN health problem?

[tardy delta]

show code

are you dividing by 0?

[feral coral]

@EventHandler
    public void onRespawn(PlayerRespawnEvent e){
        Double health = e.getPlayer().getHealth();
        if (Double.isNaN(health)){
            e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0);
        } else if (Double.isInfinite(health)){
            e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0);
        } else if (health < 1.0D){
            e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0);
        }
    }

e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0); is't not working

[tardy delta]

man where are yoy i cant see you

define notworking, health is never going to be nan tho

[feral coral]

if (Double.isInfinite(health)){
            e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0);
    }

this is working (i have try, use if working send message console)

[eternal oxide]

why are you testing anything? just e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0)

[tardy delta]

looks like im sending messages to myself

[feral coral]

bruh

[eternal oxide]

silly names

[feral coral]

humm ok bro

if (Double.isInfinite(health)){
            e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0);
    }

this is working (i have try, use if working send message console)

[tardy delta]

💀

[feral coral]

mean is i want make fix player health system

but its not work (mean e.getPlayer().setHealth(20.0); line not work)

[rapid topaz]

why not make a variable for e.getPlayer()?

[tardy delta]

bruh whats not working

[rapid topaz]

i dont get it

if it is not working it has to be with calling the function in main class

[feral coral]

entity hit player, still cause NAN damage

[rapid topaz]

why isnt the line working?

[tardy delta]

shouldnt you be modidying event.setDamage or smth?

i have no idea whats going on

[rapid topaz]

me neither

[feral coral]

only one player cause NAN damage

[rapid topaz]

can you explain

pleae

please

what are you trying to do

[tardy delta]

uhh other plugins?

[feral coral]

fix player NAN health

[feral coral]

vanilla mob

[tardy delta]

plugins modifying it

[rapid topaz]

the only way it can be NaN is if other plugings (or yours) is modifying the health

[dry yacht]

result=Hello, world, class=class 7

System.out.println("result=" + c.getMethod("test").invoke(instance) + ", class=" + c);

Yeah, I guess the JVM accepts classes with the name 7, lol

[tardy delta]

hmm

[dry yacht]

There's no reason not to. It's just a convention because of tokenizer/parser ambiguities, I guess

[tardy delta]

doesnt a mac has screenshots? 💀

[analog thicket]

CMD + Shift + 4 i think it is

[tardy delta]

dude hasnt found it yet

[analog thicket]

-.-

[dry yacht]

4 or 5, yeah

[analog thicket]

and 3

i think

[dry yacht]

and 3, yes, for full screen

[analog thicket]

yep

[dry yacht]

4 for area, 5 for recording

[analog thicket]

4 and 5 are kinda the same

[tardy delta]

mac users

[dry yacht]

yeah, 5 is an extension of 4

[analog thicket]

Only using mac for school

I just like the way the operating system is for school work

[tardy delta]

world.spawnEntity?

use the method that takes in a class and consumer or smth

[chrome beacon]

Yeah as FourteenBrush said use the spawn method that takes a consumer

Otherwise you will spawn the firework and then modify it

It's better to create the entity that you want and then spawn it

[dry yacht]

The magic can actually be substituted by using the fancy ass builder, xD

[terse ore]

I am forking a plugin but it uses maven, never used it tbh, which command should i use for building it?

[dry yacht]

Yep, it's quite nice to use. I do the same with my reflection handle predicates. I have builders for them. It's a treat.

[chrome beacon]

mvn package

[terse ore]

ty let me try

fuck, error

[tardy delta]

then forgetting one param and regretting

[ivory sleet]

Map<String,Object> :>

[terse ore]

I needed to use clean install

[tardy delta]

the minestom approach for custom blockdata i believe

still finding out if thats the way to bind an inv to a block or what

inventory is probably nbt though

[ivory sleet]

Idk nothing bout minestom tbh

Well I used to know some stuff

[quiet ice]

It's been ages since I last touched minestom

[rigid drum]

the fact that so many people talk about that makes me pretty sad

[quiet ice]

Well I did update one of my minestom projects recently, but that is about it

[dry yacht]

Yeah... that's the one thing I dislike about the builder pattern, which is not the fault of the pattern, it's just the way it works. You're not forced to pass all needed parameters, as dispersion is it's goal, so you need to check your state in the final "build" step yourself. But other than that, they are still great.

[quiet ice]

smh, not having descriptive error messages

[ivory sleet]

ye well, it was pretty unstable when I looked at last time, but its def a viable option nowadays

[quiet ice]

It still feels like it's not being used though

But I guess that is because almost all fun projects using minestom are closed-source for some reason

[rigid drum]

IMO it's just a shame

if they are going to make something so hard to use

then at least make it different to nms

not a clone

[quiet ice]

I know that you can blacklist the completion of such packages on eclipse - IJ probably can do that too

[ivory sleet]

are they even following the footsteps of nms?

[dry yacht]

Yeah... I need to add that, thanks for making me realize, xD

[quiet ice]

I don't think so

[chrome beacon]

It's not hard to use?

[rigid drum]

yes

[rigid drum]

hard to use in the sense that it won't gain mass adoption

[dry yacht]

That's how I feel when I get an java.awt.List

Or a NMS import when I desired a bukkit class

It just hurts...

[ivory sleet]

maybe, that's a good selling point some extent, like being spigot devs familiar with the api design somewhat

but cant tell since I havent worked with minestom, so would just be speculating

[quiet ice]

Eclipse's solution to that problem was to blacklist the entire java.awt package. Fun times

You pretty much had no autocompletion when working with swing thanks to that

[dry yacht]

Wasn't that list configurable?

[quiet ice]

it was (and still is) - but good luck knowing why some class is randomly missing

[rigid drum]

Yeah I guess, I'm sure it's a great project and I'm just not giving it a good enough chance

[dry yacht]

IntelliJ sometimes just imports stuff on it's own it seems like, that really sucks. What also sucks is when it decides to merge multiple imports into a wildcard import which shadows the member you're trying to import, haha

IntelliJ is just a headache, tbh

[chrome beacon]

You can configure IJ to get rid of * imports

[ivory sleet]

and with java making tremendous steps in terms of their std lib for concurrency, minestom could conceivably be even more favorable in the future

[dry yacht]

Tbh, that sounds hella limiting. Who cares about familiarity, what matters is to not make a mess again, as we're in currently. I think we're really boxing ourselves in again.

[dry yacht]

Do you know how? I'd love to know, but am too lazy to google, :(

[rigid drum]

perhaps, but likely not the way they are going

[ivory sleet]

yeah well, ask the consumers of the software

[dry yacht]

Tbh, the consumers are a big part of the problem.

[chrome beacon]

Not at my pc now so I can't show you

[dry yacht]

Alright, no worries, I'll open the G then

[ivory sleet]

ye unfortunaly

[chrome beacon]

You should be able to search for imports

In the settings menu

[ivory sleet]

yeah, but even so, not ignorable at all

[dry yacht]

I entered "intellij disable" and first guess was "intellij disable wildcard imports". I'm feeling watched.

[quiet ice]

Minestom is really only usable for Minigames and stuff. Wouldn't use it for "normal" survival play anytime soon

[dry yacht]

Didn't say that, but people then cannot complain about new software falling into the footsteps of their predecessors if they don't have the balls to finally break the chains and go into the right directions. People who just want to get stuff done and don't care about efficiency or readability wouldn't be my users, if it was my project.

[ivory sleet]

ye

[rigid drum]

This is my thinking... and I have worked on something similar to minestom

[quiet ice]

The only thing I don't like about Minestom is that they got rid of their integrated Mixin support - which means that I am the only one finding and fixing the bugs that that system had.

[rigid drum]

and I know there are a ton of pitfalls and it's not easy

but eve if what I was working on wasn't perfect

it was NOTHING like nms

[chrome beacon]

I just added back Mixins in to my jar

[quiet ice]

It's a bit harder than that from my experience (unless you go the javaagent route)

[chrome beacon]

It works fine

[quiet ice]

Mixin is annoying to use outside Launchwrapper (so annoying that I'm reimplementing it)

[chrome beacon]

Basically you create your mixin classloader and then load minestom using it

[dry yacht]

I'm already knees deep into so many ideas, projects and research things that I literally cannot afford going into that rabbit hole. Otherwise, it would be something I'd be working on, I think.

I still like to imagine the server as a big state machine, a big packet switch with state, which receives and sends out packets over sockets and just has to simulate the game according to how mojang specified it. That does not at all dictate how the actual control flow has to work out. The developers are still in charge of designing that architecture. We could do so much better than what we currently have.

[eternal night]

mojang code is perfect 👍 stop spreading anti mojang propaganda

[quiet ice]

Yeah, only that Minestom's old classloader has tons of bugs (such as swallowing classloading exceptions). So you'd need to roll out your own implementation

Other issues are that code modifiers cannot be removed or added while transforming classes (big no-no in concurrent environment), JPMS being ~fun~ (Mixin mandates Launchwrapper AND Java 16+ on that regard - but the fewest care about JPMS anyways), Mixin being a annotation processor that runs by default under maven (you only see issues once you have Mixin annotations in your jar though) and much more

[chrome beacon]

You really should use the spawn method that takes a consumer like we showed earlier

[dry yacht]

Yeah, it's fine, but you're still adding the entity to the world before customizing it. It's not ideal, but it works.

[echo basalt]

oh shit exerosis is here

makes me remember the good ol' times

[rigid drum]

yeah I agree, I had a system that wasn't based around these big god objects that minestom and NMS have. For example instead of having some huge registry of items, and player.world.everything etc.
An "item" is just a simple data class that inventories care about. The actual logic is not tied to them in any way... instead in order to "construct" one you might call a function like:
val steak = ItemFood(<id for steak>) {
//on consume do whatever.
}
And now in whatever context you called that in, the logic to actually make that item do something is now present and enabled. At the time this particular system was going to be rewritten but here's an example:
https://sourceb.in/KL9PioHkko

So where in spigot you "build down" to make a minigame... cancelling all the default logic and events... in my system (glayve) you would build up... there would be no logic until you specified it. Lets you get closer to a "properly designed" system... better following design principles... but it was well past the limits of java and was pushing what kotlin was able to do as well.... context() would have helped massively but only was added when the project was already dying.

[dusty sphinx]

what is the difference between the fork of Fernflower on Spigot mc's bitbucket and the base Jetbrains Fernflower because I can't build it saying it needs a dependency net.md-5:determiner:0.1

[untold jewel]

I'm having a hard time getting the Player target = Bukkit.getPlayer(args[0]); information into another class. What should I do?

[echo basalt]

Dependency inject

?di

[undone axle]

Guide to dependency injection: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/using-dependency-injection/

[echo basalt]

or make a method with params

[rigid drum]

In TSC or IRC?

[echo basalt]

TSC

Pretty sure I've never spoken to you in IRC

I was an annoying lil kid starting out

and pretending I was more mature than I really was

and you were there... doing what I do nowadays

helping others

I was tryna make a server from scratch and didn't even understand what a mask was

or how bytes worked lmao

[dry yacht]

Oh my, getting flashbacks of my own past

[echo basalt]

I was like

13

[rigid drum]

I see many people have come to me doing this and asking similar things so I don't remember which one was you right off lol

[echo basalt]

I had no profile pic

[ivory sleet]

exe, r u still in contact with the guy with purple gorilla pfp

[echo basalt]

I also kept talking about how shit my laptop was and how I wanted to buy a new one

most of our talks were around 2019 I'd say

I was also the guy that made my own schedule builder that was like a copypaste of yours

I looked up to you man

[dry yacht]

Sounds like a nice and new approach to things, inversing the "building direction". I personally wonder whether a new implementation should even stick to the original language used - Java. But I'm not aware of any massively better languages, other than maybe Jai, Zig, Rust or the like. I'm not sure if Java really is the limiting factor, or if those limitations would just signal overcomplication to the person running into them. I really have a lot of respect for people who start massive projects like these, as I'd personally just feel crushed by them on my own.

[rigid drum]

I mean in terms of performance obviously other languages like zig (which IMO is too early to use but very interesting conceptually) would probably be better.

But I don't think it's the performance of java that's lacking, it's the design.

[rare rover]

what's wrong with this?

@Override
    public void hideHologram(Hologram hologram, Player player) {
        List<HologramLine> lines = hologram.getLines();
        ServerPlayer plr = ((CraftPlayer) player).getHandle();
        for (HologramLine line : lines) {
            net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity entity = ((CraftLivingEntity) line.getArmorStand()).getHandle();
            ClientboundRemoveEntitiesPacket packet = new ClientboundRemoveEntitiesPacket(entity.getId());
            plr.connection.send(packet);
        }
    }```

wont remove the entity

not sure why

[echo basalt]

If I were to make a server impl I'd probably abuse the hell out of lambdas

[rigid drum]

To go about it the way I was, while following DIP and the other solid design principles... you might end up with something like:

final var item = SomeItem(parentScope, world, players, id, meta, tags, useCallback, anotherCallback)

but people hate that, so they start reaching for hackier and hackier solutions, or they start grouping together player and world... player.world, world.players, etc.

So they are compromising design for usability

[echo basalt]

I'd probably just

abstract it behind 25 layers

[rigid drum]

In kotlin we can make parent scope, world and players a context... so it's passed around implicitly... for me world was literally just this interface:

interface World : Streamable {
    operator fun get(position: Position): Block
    val onChanged: ChangeEvent<Position, Block>
}
interface MutableWorld : World {
    operator fun set(position: Position, block: Block): Block
}

But that's ok because other "world responsibilities" can be handled via other contexts.

[dry yacht]

It's also about buildsystems and how deep if at all you can hook into the compiler, where Jai shines, I'd say. But again, the question is if you'd need such complex features if you design the system right from the get-go.

[rigid drum]

Ultimately if you are clever enough you have something easier to use than spigot... but infinitely flexible by comparison.

I haven't ever used Jai, I saw it on hacker news at somepoint and that's it.

[dusty sphinx]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/fernflower/browse?at=1.19 what does this version of fernflower do?

[dry yacht]

I'd love to have a buildsystem which just uses the same language as the actual code. Maven, gradle, etc... they just suck. Needless abstraction.

[rigid drum]

But I think complexity is very relative thing. It's hard enough to balance design, usability and performance... sometimes it takes a complicated tool to provide a simple developer experience.

[dusty sphinx]

build.gradle.kts looking at you rn crying

its really clean with both kotlin and java projects

[dry yacht]

Sure, a full server is immensely complex, so I know that it cannot be a simple and clean system to the degree small and insignificant software can be.

[rigid drum]

I like gradle on the whole, it has issues but it's nice for big micro service style projects... I hate projects with 50 shell scripts 10 build tools etc. Gradle can replace all of that in kotlin

[echo basalt]

seems like they did some changes to how strings are handled

[onyx fjord]

Missed opportunity, could've used java but chose bad kotlin

[dry yacht]

I'm not really liking kotlin, but that's just a personal thing. I'm sure kotlin gradle is a lot better than maven.

[onyx fjord]

Even groovy is better

[dusty sphinx]

I wanted to look into it but I can't get it to compile there are absolutely no instructions and both using the gradle wrapper in there and the maven pom didn't work

[echo basalt]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/fernflower/commits/8056bbd8cfc018d35e6269061687240ac526a5d5#src/org/jetbrains/java/decompiler/util/VarHelper.java

and maybe some primitive parsing

[dusty sphinx]

ok you try to do anything functionally in java this is the one reason why it was chosen

[dire marsh]

I like kts but kotlin hurts my brain

[dusty sphinx]

i do like writing in java more, but i HATE writing scripts with it

[rigid drum]

Groovy is the real crime here

[onyx fjord]

👎

[dire marsh]

Tried kotlin once, the way you do the type always messes me up

[ivory sleet]

finally a sane statement

[echo basalt]

I still use groovy to this day

[onyx fjord]

This is a kotlin free zone

[dusty sphinx]

i mean i use python with a static type checker and I like it it's basically the same from my limited use of kotlin

and kotlin is more robust then anything like python or typescript could be

[dusty sphinx]

cool changes but how's a man supposed to use it

[onyx fjord]

Kotlin is what rust is to c

And that's not good

[echo basalt]

great question

[rigid drum]

I agree rust is yuck prefer C

but kotlin I like

[echo basalt]

kotlin replaces verbose with keywords

[rigid drum]

certainly if you are arguing groovy is great and kotlin sucks I'll never see eye to eye

[onyx fjord]

I prefer verbose

[rigid drum]

but I can understand only liking java

[onyx fjord]

Because english

[echo basalt]

java is verbose by design

[onyx fjord]

Java feels like English

[dusty sphinx]

literally the pom is broken wtf is the first plugin

[echo basalt]

kotlin people arguing that it's better because it's not verbose is tomfoolery

[dusty sphinx]

i have never seen it

[rigid drum]

And I like java myself... it lends itself super well to some styles... Just happens not to be mine

[dusty sphinx]

agreed

[ivory sleet]

I feel kotlin is a bit overbloated with semantic features

[onyx fjord]

Even if it's verbose so what, does it matter to compiler?

[dusty sphinx]

at the end of the day you can ship working and maintainable software with many languages it does come down to what you are doing

[ivory sleet]

and interoperability, which kotlin uses as selling point is far from ideal

[orchid gazelle]

Im just getting eye cancer when seing kotlin code lmao

[onyx fjord]

True

[hazy parrot]

🤓

[onyx fjord]

It has some goofy stuff

[orchid gazelle]

It just looks ugly as hell for me

[hazy parrot]

probably only thing you hate is lambda as scope

[rigid drum]

Sure, but it also has features that I find myself dying for in all other languages.

[ivory sleet]

true

[orchid gazelle]

As well as I hate Python Syntax

[dry yacht]

:(

[onyx fjord]

I would choose bash any time

[rigid drum]

Also I personally think that the people who are sitting there using spring... other hacky compiler extension/reflection based systems

[ivory sleet]

I mean null safety and coroutines being the biggest features Id use kotlin for

[orchid gazelle]

It just has this... unreadability for me

[rigid drum]

don't have a huge amount of room to say that kotlin is bad, ugly, unreadable

[ivory sleet]

yea

[rigid drum]

it's the people who use pure java cleanly and carefully

[hazy parrot]

coroutines really make me choose kotlin over java

[rigid drum]

that I respect not caring for kotlin.

[dire marsh]

I find the way kotlin handles null super weird, but probably just me using it wrong.

[orchid gazelle]

Like I need my clean satisfying well-readable java syntax structure

[hazy parrot]

its so easy to work with them

[onyx fjord]

Java also has better mascot and logo

[dry yacht]

[ivory sleet]

and then those who use kotlin and lombok

[onyx fjord]

Kotlin has some oversimplified robot

[rigid drum]

Kotlin technically doesn't have a mascot atm

[onyx fjord]

L

[rigid drum]

nobody liked the thing they made

[ivory sleet]

:>

[onyx fjord]

Wow

I think the logo is too complex

[orchid gazelle]

Bro just look how sexy my pfp is

[onyx fjord]

Fr

[ivory sleet]

JavaSkript?

[dry yacht]

Skript

[ancient plank]

[onyx fjord]

No sql

Yes sql

[orchid gazelle]

Yes sql

[dry yacht]

sqeel

[orchid gazelle]

sql sexy

[onyx fjord]

C hashtag

[ivory sleet]

MySqlScript

[echo basalt]

[dry yacht]

Look... I'd rather have people use Kotlin than C++

Less of a crime

[ivory sleet]

well, Rust instead of cpp

[orchid gazelle]

Both is horror

[dry yacht]

Oh no, not that again

[orchid gazelle]

Bro its a nightmare having to use kotlin for me lol

[river oracle]

so its not just me that thinks rust looks cursed

[onyx fjord]

See plus

[river oracle]

what advantage does kotlin offer besides looking funny???

[dry yacht]

I hate rust with a passion for it's bad inherited nomenclature from C++. All those stupid ass abbreviations. It's a good language otherwise, I'm sure, but that just kills it for me.

[river oracle]

oh and extension functions

[orchid gazelle]

Nice emojis, discord!

[hazy parrot]

coroutines

literally my reason why i choose kotlin when i have option

[onyx fjord]

Minimalistic

[ivory sleet]

inline infix extension fun functions :DD

[dry yacht]

Sounds like fun

[onyx fjord]

And has no lactose

[river oracle]

whats even the point of extension functions isn't that just a less clear extension of a class

[echo basalt]

kotlin has such little lactose, its bones shatter when going up the stairs

[orchid gazelle]

Guys we probably wanna go to #general lol

[onyx fjord]

I mean it is programming related

[echo basalt]

nah this is character development

[ivory sleet]

yes, but its just to help devs reduce nested stuff

like

[river oracle]

I'm getting programming help

[ivory sleet]

player.customMethod()
instead of
customMethod(player)

[river oracle]

on learing why people think kotling is good

[ivory sleet]

so then u can end up doing
x.y()
.z()
.t()

[orchid gazelle]

Well #general does not load for me anyways lol

[ivory sleet]

which is a bit more readable

[echo basalt]

mans got the boonies wifi

[orchid gazelle]

Nah but my smartphone screams to go into the trashcan

[river oracle]

I guess you can do functional programming with Kotling too 🤷🏽‍♂️ but I'm too stupid to use functional anyways

[hazy parrot]

object cout{}
infix fun cout.<<(foo: String) {
  println(foo)
}

fun main() {
  cout << "Hello world"
}

❤️

[orchid gazelle]

But no $ for a new phone

[river oracle]

I still don't get how you'd code everything without classes 💀

[ivory sleet]

y2k stop

[echo basalt]

I was thinking about buying a new phone today

[ivory sleet]

u use functional stuff so often

[dry yacht]

Stop shifting cout to the left by "Hello World" bits

[ivory sleet]

dont even try

[river oracle]

?

[orchid gazelle]

I was dreaming about having money today

[ivory sleet]

.

[orchid gazelle]

[river oracle]

I do? I thought java enforced oop

[ivory sleet]

like how often do u not touch streams

[echo basalt]

I worked like mad last week and got paid a small fortune

[ivory sleet]

yes but java has adopted functional style

[echo basalt]

haven't touched streams in over a year

[orchid gazelle]

Bro I'd lose my mind when going to school + working

[ivory sleet]

Optional::flatMap for instance being a monad

[river oracle]

💀 I'd die without streams

[ivory sleet]

which is a functional concept

and Stream::flatMap

[echo basalt]

I go to school, after-hours classes, gym, work

[orchid gazelle]

Already got days without any free time with just school

[ivory sleet]

well, okay, lambda expressions

[echo basalt]

it's part of life

[ivory sleet]

[orchid gazelle]

I'd have 0 time for hobbies when working

[river oracle]

I mean like idk how people code strictly functionally moreso than not using it at all

[echo basalt]

well

[ivory sleet]

oh

[echo basalt]

you can just

work on some days

and enjoy hobbies on others

[ivory sleet]

usually u dont have just functions

[echo basalt]

for example, I work on week days

and on weekends I do work + go out for walks

[orchid gazelle]

And also imma go get into depression with only things I don't like in my life lol

[ivory sleet]

but consider a category where morphisms are functions and objects are types y2k

[echo basalt]

you'll still get them

just not every day

[orchid gazelle]

Not enough

[echo basalt]

listen man I've been doing this shitty 8am - 6pm + gym until 8pm + work until 5am

routine

for like

3 years

[river oracle]

but isn't functional's thing like no inheritance at all? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding the goal

[ivory sleet]

yes

[echo basalt]

weekends give you a ton of time

[ivory sleet]

implementation inheritance

however

[river oracle]

idk How you'd get stuff done without any abstraction

[orchid gazelle]

Whats the point of having money if not having time to spend it?

[echo basalt]

you do get the time to spend it

you can always take days off

[orchid gazelle]

Bro im at the point where I only got 1 free day in the week lol

[echo basalt]

instead of working today, I just chilled at home and went out for a walk

[echo basalt]

I'm at the point where I Work 7 days / week (except when I decide to chill) and sleep 3h/day, every day

[orchid gazelle]

And if I would do even more things I don't like I could not have sanity anymore

[echo basalt]

I'm telling you, you will find time to do hobbies

[ivory sleet]

@river oracle u have type inheritance still

[echo basalt]

You'll just have to learn to manage your time more efficiently

[orchid gazelle]

I would not psychologicly tank the damage

[river oracle]

what type of inheritance don't you have

[echo basalt]

on moments you're down bad, you cna just... not work

[ivory sleet]

implementation inheritance

[echo basalt]

what's what I do

[orchid gazelle]

I only have 10 hearts

[ivory sleet]

but in true functional programming, no inheritance

[river oracle]

isn't that just a ton more work though

[ivory sleet]

just functions, types and composition

[echo basalt]

resistance IV

[ivory sleet]

well, think about it

[orchid gazelle]

So always

[echo basalt]

not really

[orchid gazelle]

For me, always

[echo basalt]

I got paid last friday and already have plans to renovate half my room

[ivory sleet]

In Java people talk about inheritance being one of the main concepts, yet we so often advocate composition over inheritance

[echo basalt]

so imma work less this week, and yeet out half my stuff

wakatime lets me graph my mental health fairly accurately

[orchid gazelle]

Imma just not work for 12$/hour in a job I don't like

[echo basalt]

you can just... charge more

[orchid gazelle]

And im just too dumb to be able to market some plugins I create

• illegal

[echo basalt]

I charge 25$/hr+ for development

[orchid gazelle]

And nobody would pay me

[echo basalt]

not with that attitude

[orchid gazelle]

Guess what, nobody would pay me 5$ an hour lol

[echo basalt]

I'm a 17 year old kid earning 4x my national average income / hour

Sure you're still learning

but so was I like 2 years ago

[orchid gazelle]

And you are actually good enough to market your skills

[echo basalt]

I posted a premium plugin on spigot

[river oracle]

functional just seem so foreign and weird to me. I'd love to try to program functionally, but its seems just so convoluted and like a ton of extra work

[echo basalt]

and took it down after 1 year

0 sales

[orchid gazelle]

Listen, I am coding for over 5 years now. And im still bad at it

[echo basalt]

I've been coding for over 11 years and only now are things starting to flow

[river oracle]

I've been coding for almost 2 years now I'm happy to say 😭 idk wtf is going on

[echo basalt]

have a lil trust in yourself

[ivory sleet]

ye

I like structural

like how typescript works

[echo basalt]

I've met this guy with 0 coding experience

[river oracle]

never used typescript

[orchid gazelle]

Guess what? If I post a premium plugin, the government comes and bonks me for doing that lol

[echo basalt]

Got him to start coding about 13 months ago

[orchid gazelle]

And also nobody would buy it

[echo basalt]

He's now my employee and does most of the code at work

[ivory sleet]

but object orientation is a very nice way of splitting up a problem into smaller problems

and solve that big problem bit for bit

[echo basalt]

stop being that paranoid